The AI makes Doomstacks too
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ธ.ค. 2022
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For all it's flaws, when you see a bunch of bears being ridden over a rolling hill scape, facing against a line of orcs and enormous rock creatures, it does show how amazing this game looks
The Warhammer series visually is extremely excellent. It's just sad that the gameplay can't properly reflect/complement it. :(
I think it’s still the best strategy game ever 🤷🏻♂️ hopefully they keep imporoving
That's fair. I've certainly enjoyed it for the most part.
thats the only reason why this game is popular at all; seeing your favorite warhammer fantasy units fight. the strategic aspects, the campaign, the tactics, the battles and sieges, they all are A LOT worse than most total war games, especially compared to medieval 2. But the game has a monopoly on warhammer fantasy currently (as every other game dev just fucks up so bad). In general the only other decent warhammer game with rts is Dawn of War 1 and 2.... and thats 40k, not fantasy
@@synka5922 That's a pretty big exaggeration. There are a lot of TWWH players who had never played any other warhammer games (tabletop or otherwise) and had never cared about warhammer lore. Myself included.
Legend regarding viewership. It is a phenomenon occuring in all audiovisual platforms, TH-cam and Twitch. Pandemic lockdown created a bubble that distorsionated numbers. Right now numbers are reaching normal equilibrium again. So it is not your fault, it just audiovisual market readjusting
Even though this was intended for Legend you made me feel better about my big drop in views recently, so cheers for that!
True. It is getting a bit normal. Take into account game gas been out for a bit other WH titles, Civ got an update. Plus ots the busiest time of the year. Im atruggling to watch videos let alone longer ones
lol cope
Distorsionated is a cool word.
@@pscyking It's not a word. The word they were looking for is distorted.
this was amazing. i feel like any good player can win a battle outnumbered, but beat an elite army like this? This was one of the most impressive things I've seen on this channel
I've had the AI beeline towards hidden units that were hidden from the start of battle. Very annoying.
are all units hidden?
From what I can gather if the ai has no other units that it is able to attack it will "find" your hidden units. Very noticeable with things like hawk rider doomstacks.
I think its a side affect of the latest update that made it so that you cant have a stalking unit solo a settlement battle with by stalking onto a control point and winning like that.
@@daimpthing Nah, this was a thing in WH2 as well.
@@Loj84 Its been drastically exaggerated since that last update tho
Good to see AI making doomstacks, even rarely, it’s always interesting to watch.
GG it worked like a charm 👍
I love it when enemy makes a doomstack depending on a situation I will even let them win couple of settlements just so i can get some Doomstack on doomstack action. Of course my Saurus Scar Doomstack is unbeateble.
19:06 I wonder if Legend has arguments with the chat while taking a shower
lol I shower?
@@LegendofTotalWar
Legend nurgle worshipper confirmed
@@denistannenberg Probably a member of clans Pestilens since he is at least half skaven.
@@LegendofTotalWar Gotta smell like cheese somehow
2 videos in one day? nice
He must be strapped for cash
Azhag is actually better now through his equipment, his armour gives not only 15% phys resistance, but additional 15% wardsave. I'm pretty sure in wh2 he gets only 15% phys resistance in his armour
And even better if he would be confederated by Broken Axe...
Imagine WWII generals crying that they lost because of enemy usuing cheese.
Yeah, I tried to make dwarf invisible sniper engineer doomstack and it is quite anoying, that the AI just rushes towards my hidden snipers, instead of the lord, that marches towards them... I take it, that the AI wants to find hidden enemies, but sometimes it looks like they cheat a bit too much... (the sniper doomstack is still a lot of fun to play.)
Do they do that even if you’re on the attack?
@@andrewtobias4545 AS soon as I hurt them enough, they rush some enemies towards lord and the rest go looking for my hidden snipers. Usually they go right for them. If they were faster, maybe they could go out of the way, but you know... dwarfs...
That sounds pretty smart for an AI !
Or cheating, as they go quite dirrectly for hidden units.
Once I played Welfs, I had full flying army (Sisters faction) and a lord on foot. She was hidden in a big forest. The ai. went right for her. Like... she was moving through big forest away from her starting position and they found her in less than minute. And yes, whole army was on her track, not like that it made some elaborate plan and went wide :D
@@jajsem1109 I mean if you are a human player, wouldn't you just go straight in the direction of attack to reveal the one who did it as the AI did? The only advantage of sniping is they cannot target you with range attack or spell, if AI let you shoot freely they are dumb and not fun to play with.
And the hidden function does exactly what it is supposed to if the AI comes to you probably because they were trying to flank your main army and accidentally spoil your hidden units. When I play wood-elf and hide all of my army in the forest, the AI didn't know where to go so they dispersed their army to find me.
2 videos in a day?
Seems like Christmas comes early this year
Hey legend!! just want to say thank you for the way you annotate your actions when you play in all your videos. I have become way better at this game and you have helped so much :)
I'm subbed on all 3 of my accounts. TW: Warhammer 2 was my first total war game and your advice has helped me through multiple campaigns.
this video is 6 months old and you passed your subscribe count but i like and enjoy your content and you reminded me to subscribe when i thought i already was because your content shows up so much in feed but so i just now subbed ty for making great content man
Back in WH2 during the WE update they made it so that the first one second of travel for a projectile made it pass through obstructions without issue. Basically they could shoot through a tree line as long as it only obstructed the projectile for the first second of flight time then it could continue on. Not sure if that made it to WH3 but it was never specifically removed in any of the patch notes. Just an FYI for setting up your ambushes
so, gunpowder units with their fast projectiles are optimal for forests? Gj on making Wood elves excellent forest fighters :D
If I remember the patch notes rightly it was a racial specific so that WE projectiles behaved slightly differently
Those are the kind of videos where Legend lives up to his name. The doom stack master beating a proper doom stack. Well done
I'd like it if this was the start of achange in direction for AI behaviour. Throw more challenge and give us the tools to win if we are good
Yeah, actually change the intelligence of AI when we level up the difficultie, not activate cheat. Easy ai should be stupid and hard ai should be smart
@@bleizh_le_rat I mean. Changing the intelligence is not simple. I'm fine with more cheats, just give the players ways to get super imablanced and strong too
@Grayble's Gringus true but some of those "under these conditions" are just stupid. I get that it's hard to make it perfect and there will always be cheese but I believe they could make some choices better.
I've seen it in other ways but you'd get doomstack in WH2 from time to time. I once had to deal with a harkon necrofex spam. I had a sisters spam and so BARELY won.
Thats not a doomstack.Thats Azhag`s idol agency
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would have been a funny title
The pump wagons have all the musical instruments and vocals while touring the wastelands...
Man Legend, I wish I could sub 10 times to help reach that subgoal but I can only sub once. Hope you get it, you deff deserve it.
Kislev is my favorite faction by far, glad to see them in more videos
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If I could sub more, I would. Love your content legend, keep it up bro
Thanks for all your time legend.
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Nothing an isabella vampire doomstack cant handle 😂
This one was really satisfying.....smooth
That ror bear cav is so cool
2 uploads in 1 day. A good day.
I think you need to specify what you mean by a "this is total war campaign" because people who aren't subbed to your channel might not know what that is. People who are already subbed and watch your videos regularly obviously know, but think about it; if you're trying to entice new subscribers in, then it's safe to say those new subs haven't watch a lot of your videos. It'd be better to specify that a "this is total war" campaign means you will be declaring war on everyone instantly and never making peace. Makes the premise more interesting to potential subs who are just discovering your channel.
Once had luther(back when he was a ghoul king and vampire count) roll through my skaven empire with a black knight doomstack in tww2, was a weird time
I will only subscribe when I hear you say you are balls deep in a battle.
I feel so helpless when I've already subscribed a long time ago :')
Excellent video Legend! Those who call this cheese, it is a legitimate strategy which smaller forces triumph over larger ones many times in history. Smaller detachment baits / holds back bulk of enemy force, main force smash and pick off at the disorganized / stragglers of the enemy forces, repeat until you win
Ahh yes, history where the enemy sends in there lord for suicide. Now for the rest, yes there are instances where it happened but usually in a guerrilla warfare type situation not in a open battlefield where both sides know from the start each others strength and numbers which they do in Total War unless it's an ambush battle.
Very true! I especially liked the tactical depth in Agincourt, surprising the French with Rock Idols to win against superior numbers
lmao no, its impressive how can legend read AIs behavior and use it against it and I wouldnt necessarily call this cheese, it takes skill to implement, but its nowhere close to being legitimate strategy either
As legend himself said, if the AI after seeing the Streltsi units just send over the idols at the same time, it wouldve been over
Now imagine he would recruit that with da Great Greeeeen Propet
I've seen stuff like this, the ai is learning to cheese, leading to epic battles
The master at work
Iron hat gave Azhag some proper doomstack advise.
Alright Chaps, you heard the man, get you 2nd TH-cam account going and SUBSCRIBE. Summon the Zombie Account Army.
i recently hade to fight 2 stacks of granade laucher cab, it was a nightmare of a battle, had to paly it over 10 times XD
This would have been a battle even a veteran would have tried to avoid without reinforcements. Instead analyzing the battlefield calmly can reveal opportunities to win, with minimal losses too. This is a valuable lesson to learn.
Not so much a battlefield utilization; but AI kiting behavior and abusing the hide mechanic. Not Legend's fault; but the AI needs a level up.
@@grandmofftarkin2722 Be careful of what you wish for: it may be realized one day. Army like that if fight directly would destroy all the player crapstack and roll over his territories.
So legend in the environment of IE how do you use ice guard? there're way more high armour units than in RoC campaign, i felt ice guard is quite hard to handle them alone, though the frostbite still do a great job
That was a master class in force multiplication.
Insane skill and knowledge of game Ai
wheeey rocky boi doomstack be tight
If only i could give more than one subscription
I’m curious… how is the balance of power meter there on very hard difficulty?
I can't hear it anymore - just subscribe finally, goddamnit, you 38% with commitment issues!!
Legend of Terrible here
I think sometimes (or all of the time) the AI has vision of hidden units for a tiny, split second. I swear I had an AI army drop an army ability on units I had hidden in the trees AND behind terrain the very moment I hit "start" on the battle.
I've had AI artillery outright shoot my hidden units
6:38 forgive him, he is a stone head single cell creature
Jokes on you, I'm already subscribed.
Second video? That's a lot if anger after yesterday disaster!)
Why it was not a minor settlement battle?
one time Katarin rolled out an elemental bear doomstack during my Drycha campaign and it was one of the worst battles ever. normally I'd have my deepwood scouts hit em but the cavalry were smacking them. All of my dryads, tree kin, and feral bears were focusing on the big bears. We survived because I threw my elf units to distract the cavalry and I was able to let the missile units shoot down one bear at a time.
I had the opposite in my first WH3 campaign, playing as Kislev, where Drycha brought her 7 treemen and 5-6 zoats along with that damn block on casting, really tough battles and she kept reviving every turn. Very fun though, I heard all this WH3 is super easy talk, but the Katarin campaign on legendary to me was the same level of difficult as Wulfhart in WH2
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I had this happen whilst playing a dwarf campaign.
Infantry is useless because these idols simply walk through them.
dam he did it...WELL a deals a deal hers the sub
I wanted to subscribe but realized that I already am. So I decided to subscribe with my brother's account :D
Still surprised CA hasn't put a condition in the AI logic to not chase units faster than them
I often just tell a disposable spearmen unit to chase down enemy cavalry, and most of the times they catch up when said cavalry is stuck against other units
When are the TW3 tier lists coming out?
Legend is the goat, and hilarious.
I just realised this whole time I have not been subscribed, you're just always in my recommended. At the time of writing this I'm 1:41 , so I'll sub if you win lol
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One thing I noticed is that the AI forgets about hidden units after a minute or so.
Makes sense, since on forest dominated maps hidden units can still move to a different place.
And that would just confuse the AI and lead to easy exploits.
On a side note, I really hate TWW3 maps.
They're nothing more than normal maps with circles of woods here and there.
And they're all like that.
Circles and more circles.
Does anyone know of a mod to fix TWW3 horrible maps?
Super impressive. I wouldn't even imagine myself fighting against a bunch of Rouge idols. You are amazing!
Big rock go brrrt
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Damn strelskies melt them and have decent meele stats. Gotta try them next time I play as Kislev
feels bad i really wanted to see some big rocks smash kislev
I wasnt subscribed. So I did it.
Goblins and boys are KEY to the good ol' 10 Rogue idol Doom Half-stack
Edit; Also fuck it I didn't even realise I wasn't subbed tbh 😅
Him saying the Total War will be fun makes me think either Ikit Claw or Skarbrand
Well shit, bro. I can't sub twice.
but i have been subbed for years , how do i subscribe more ?
How did the ai produce that doom stack ? I’ve never seen one do it
It seems like in W3 AIs sometimes do so
I met Thorgrim with gyrocopter spam recently
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So much time without hearing the "hater"
I love it
I just made up my fifth account just to subscribe Legend ;)
I love how it's become a feature for Legend to beg and bargain every video for people to subscribe. It's like he took a loan out from the mafia and hew has to have 500k subs or they break his legs.
That whoopin' has got to be worth subb'ing for!!
4:40 Is that all it takes? XD
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I could copy you exactly play by play, and the AI just wouldn't react the same way. For example, Azag would've never ran away to suicide like that in my battle. Their whole army would have completely ignored my lords and heros and kept searching the trees for my infantry instead. I couldn't get their attention with anything short of a direct suicide charge to lock them in melee.
For me it seems like the AI only prioritizes high value targets they can easily kill. If they can't catch you, or do enough damage they just ignore you.
I try using ice guard in multiplayer but they seem completely useless even with the slow down effect. Like barely better than the panther.
One reason to favor the old siege mechanics; in that case this battle would be a cake
If CA were smart they'd implement a system where it measures combat power in grids and doesn't send the Lords into a grid with overwhelming combat power without support. Would make Lord sniping a lot harder.
Joke's on him, i'm already subscribed for a few years, jk...
man! i'm looking forward to seeing a live again, i missed it
I'm subscribed but would actually prefer a regular campaign instead of a "this is total war", since I really enjoy diplomactic shananigans and cheese.
4:45 .. did I hear that correctly?
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I am confused? Two video's on the same day?
first one did shit so I give you another one. hopefully you like it better. Working hard to keep you guys happy.
@@LegendofTotalWar the first one was very entertaining schadenfreude 😆
@@-Eternal-Damnation- maybe but it also is the worst performing video so far this year so i had to do something about it
Well I liked both
@@LegendofTotalWar The first Video wasnt on my start page (although i watch almost all Vids from you) second one was on my start page... Might just be the the algorythm not being in favor of the first Video.
where is the button to subscribe twice?
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Legend is like Jerma but instead of voices in his head forcing him to do silly zoinked out stuff he has voices of yt comments that call any strategy a cheesy strategy that requires no skill
I don’t want a this is total war campaign though, I like regular campaigns more lol
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How do you watch Legend's content and NOT subscribe?