0 Leadership Vampires is Hilarious
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The hilarious part is that this could still be stronger; if you played the Sisters of Twilight, and got the Forge of Daith item which I *believe* is the Horn of Twilight, that can provide a massive chunk of Leadership loss for armies in the equippers region, and then there's also the Witstealer you can get at the start of a campaign to apply discourage on-hit... including on ranged attacks!
Can wood-elves get any bombardment spells, since that debuff would then be applied upon those too.
Quite hilarious potentional there.
They have access to most magic schools on their spellchecker, but not fire and metal or death, so not sure about bombardments.
Orion offices also have one position that giver -6 leadership in the region , which then doubles during the Wild hunts as well.
Yeah it would be stronger/easier to do with an ancient treeman in sister's faction with blight of terrors + horn of kurnous.
Are you certain about witstealer applying on ranged attacks?
@@GafferPerkele it doesn't. Witstealer has a weapon imbuement effect. Those don't apply to projectile spells
@@theStamax Pretty dang certain - it has been a while since I last checked, but other affects like armour sundering also apply to ranged attacks to, and I've checked that a lot more recently.
I love how at the end undead managed to scrounge enough bravery to just attack spooky elves head on AND THEY ALMOST WON!
Truly, fear is the mind-killer.
Together Ghouls strong!
It's also perfect for fighting most skaven units
Yeah skaven become my favorite faction to fight. Not something I would normally say.
Me no want to fight, scared yes-yes.
The malevolent treeman's portrait before the battle looks like the laser eyes meme
Not the trait you were looking for but the lord did have Headsman from repeatedly executing enemies which gave -3 enemy leadership in an area
Reminds me of playing the original Warhammer 1 with a Vampire Count 'Deathstar'. Not quite as much cheese to drop all their leadership, but with a full army of terror causing monsters and mortis engines, and a few heroes and lord with leadership debuffs all stacked in one small location, the enemy entire army would break as soon as they came in contact with it. Honestly felt easier winning as that than any ranged doomstack (hailstorm, ratling gunners etc etc)
Of course since W2 (and subsequently W3) magic started being much better against stacked blobs, and the Deathstar is incredibly unit dense (whole army in the place of 1 unit).
Norsca and WOC can get a follower called Mutant, which reduces local enemy leadership by 5. It's just really hard to get in useful numbers because you need to lose a battle to get one. Not helped by the tool tip, which wrongly says you get them by winning battles.
Hmm shouldn't be that tricky to get. Attack settlement and retreat right away (in the battle)
@@theStamax if it had a high drop rate, sure. I think it's something like 5% chance. So, 400 battles to get 20 of them on average. That's a lot of time in loading screens.
@@MartynWilkinson45 assuming every hero can equip them (please correct me) each hero has a seperate chance to get one. So you'd only need 20 on average so that every hero in the stack has one. Ideally you have an enemy army next to a port so you can do all attacks in a single turn.
Not saying this would be fun but sounds doable
@@theStamax pretty sure they can for Norsca, or at least they could in WHII. So maybe not as impractical as I assumed. Especially since WHIII norsca doesn't have the same hard cap on heroes that II had. Unless the AI decides to cooperate by leaving an army in force march outside a port, I'm still tagging this as impractical for myself.
I love this army and I appreciate you told us who could do it and who could do it well. Cheers legend
My fave campaign was a lizardman game where I managed to get three full pompus stacks, and just rofflestomped vampire counts who had taken over the old world.
And to think that Vampires can be so scared they disintegrate just by joining the battle is hilarious.
*”Those spooky Elves, why do they wear purple?!? Is it Slannesh?!? Eeeee!!!”* 😂😂
Oh so this would be even stronger on normal factions. You rout them straight away, then initiate battle with them again and they all get wiped after retreating
I had to fight Drycha with Chaos faction when she had a bunch of Malevolent Treemen and other leadership buffs and it was a nightmare. Never had the AI abuse this mechanic on me before and was really tough to kill that faction.
I think sisters have an unique item that reduce leadership as well.
I love me some leadership cheese in the morning! Shameful Display!
Has anyone sent in a Lord of Change doomstack where they each have 12 bound spells yet? I would like to see 20 Tzeentch's Firestorms cast simultaneously.
iirc yes, they have.
It’s beautiful dude.
12 bound spells? I only got like 1 or 2 on them, how do you get 12?
@@DJinKERRY831 There's six techs that give the LoC one of each Lore of Tzeentch spell as a bound spell. There is another tech that doubles that to two bound casts.
Can you do a survival campaign as the empire and have all the endgame scenarios happen by turn 10-20?
I'm currently playing Warhammer for the first time, and I started with Warhammer 1, and I have recruited 10 of each hero that can embed in an army, and each of them has the Misshapen or Disfiguring Scar trait, which reduces enemy leadership in the local province by 2 or 3. it's super OP and fun to play in battles. Especially with things like the Griffon Banner (reduces leadership by 4 in an area around the designated unit) and the Terrifying Mask of Eee!
Would love to see a video of the defeat traits to get and great follower traits to get. Also what traits on heroes you look for in different factions
Even without cheese, doom and darknessing an undead unit and getting them to disintegrate is really satisfying.
this cheese has additonal layers of cheese in itself, love it
*You have been ambushed*
"Easy enough"
By Ungrim Ironfist and his throng of slayers
"😭"
Treeman lords have a recruit trait for an additional -4 enemy leadership in local region
Yeah blight of terrors. This version is far from optimal. Probably strongest /most efficient would be mainly waystalkers (least useful generally + synergy with each other) with an ancient treeman (blight of terrors trait) in sister's faction (horn of kurnous).
Would be completely unnecessary with this stack right? You have already got enemy on map leadership reduced to 0 and its far easier to get the forest spirits than specific hero traits.
The volley of kurnos is missing because when you hit a flying unit like on a hellsteed with a missle attack they get stunned by each hit causing them to jerk out of position for the next shot so chaining volleys from multiple units is bad but one at a time is probably okay.
i wonder too if the normal arrrow shots later in the battle was fatigue?
Hilariously broken in the best way possible, thanks Legend hope ya enjoy your weekend!
Legend's delighted evil chuckles... Love the vids that delight him so much. For the algorithm!
You can also trait farm tree dudes to get a Mortis engine effect, so if anyone managed to get close they start melting extra fast
A Pit of Shades in the middle of a blob like that and the caster only got 14 kills. They were crumbling too fast to get killed.
Hey legend, any chance you could start posting the save file for these? Or if you already do, where are they? I love using high tier units against huge enemy armies, but it takes so long to even get a campaign to that point that I often start losing interest. Each turn takes so long, too many things to manage to get a fight anywhere close to this setup.
Insane. 8 leadership zombies had more leadership than my skaven slave doom stacks
I think these are my favorite doomstacks. Kill a couple dudes and everybody runs away lol
This is the type of content I like to see how you break down everything, u r making a tutorial without making a tutorial
So this is basically the same thing as the beastmen leadership doomstack but it requires a follower instead of a trait.
Lizards Norsca Dark Elves vamp counts and beastmen all have stacking -leadership hero traits. Wild magic from beastmen also has - leadership spell
Honestly from the title I was expecting some kind of Unbreakable Zombie Horde cheese.
The OG faction for this for me were vampire counts themselves back in TWW 1. I wanted to build a full stack of vampire heroes for Isabella since she was buffing them by a lot, and I realized as I was doing so that many of them had a trait reducing leadership, and this trait could be leveled up through battle victories so that each would provide like more than 10 leadership penalty. It was hilarious to charge in with Isabella and 19 vampires on flying mounts and enemy instantly routing as soon as I got close to them.
You could just have then also in different armies in the same region. Still requires a lot in the same spot sort of but you don't need them all on in one army as the follower affects local region I think.
Finally someone sent that doomstack! I think it would be patched, but... U still can have about 4-6 heroes in your army quite eraly (about 25-40 turn) and have decent -30 leadership in a most interesting playtime - midcampaign :3
It's not patched because it's not good. It's a gimmick. You don't need or want that many heroes in an army as wood elves. You can do it super late with waystalkers for fun i guess, but that's about it
If they patch it they'll nerf the leadership debuff to -2 or something. I don't think they'll get rid of it though.
Athel Loren Attrition in real time.
Spooky scary sceletons got outspooked and outscared 😔
Having used many of these doomstacks generally damage magic is the key. The leadership debuffs aren’t that good because they don’t last but the damage or killing the lord is a permanent debuff
Why there was lizardmen fight music?
Really looking forward to a new 20 turn guide series for WH3 :)
I’d imagine it’ll be awhile before he does that stuff. At least until IE is out of its beta phase. There’s just so much that could change which would make the videos obsolete.
Love this kind of thing
Very interesting and entertaining to me!
Doesn't Curse of Anraheir from lore of beasts have a leadership effect? Or am I misremembering.
One of the funniest effect "exploit" I've ever seen :)
Reminds of the stench of nurgle warhammer 1 doomstack.
Thanks for the video
Aaah, the good old stinky doomstack.
Its like you have a necromancy nullifying aura.
You were going over races that are good at terror routing, and I have to ask wouldn't Dark Elves also be good at it? Morathi can get a -10 leadership in province, Malus can get a follower that does similar, and Kharibdyss also debuff leadership.
I literally have a save file for a dread trait doomstack from VC against TK and they all just melt. It’s pretty funny. I thought about sending it in but I think someone had already sent the army in.
Counts or Coast?
I know Counts gets Dread Incarnate as I was part way through building a stack myself, and I think Coast does too.
Coast also has the bonus of being able to inflict leadership penalties from being damaged with artillery, and I think one of their missile regiments of renown can inflict burnt or discouraged which is a -8 penalty too.
So you can only strip them of their base value?
Very nice video!
'Stinky' stacks never get old. Also, isn't Lore of the wild also have leadership debuff spell?
Hi Legend, if you could do an updated review maybe in the next few months of Warhammer 3 including the updates on immortal empires, would love to know your updated thoughts on the game.
Dawi laughs in Slayer Doomstack
If this stack were optimized it could beat a slayer stack (14 waystalkers, 1 branchwraith, 1 ancient treeman, 4 glade captains... Just kite unbreakable stuff)
Just put 10 spellsingers in the army instead of using waystalkers and branchwraiths. If mounted on eagles, they'll still destroy the slayers before they can do much damage.
My favourite are the Bretonian Lord Doomstack(s)
Just recruit single Lords (no supply lines so no problem) and execute captives
Your Lord Swarm now can spook anyone, just look out for Skaven or Beastmen ambushes.
In that situation just park single lords on the border
Does having a terror router make it better?
I play a version of this where I collect VC heroes all with Dread Incarnate. It's awesome 😂
Ahh good old leadership nuke comps . They are exactly the type of cheese Legend would use if only it didnt trivialize the game so hard :D . Love the showcase my dude keep up the awesome work
I just sent in a save with this same doomstack type, using Forest Spirits, going up against Ungrim and his slayers. It's the one challenge I thought the doomstack couldn't deal with.
@D. Zeal Ungrim and all his slayers are unbreakable this spam would do nothing to them 😂
I would love to see this on Easy. Crumbling enemy army at the start of the battle would be hilarious.
Only flaw might be they may die too fast and end the battle before the reinforcements can show up to die
nooooooo! don't bully fluffy!
The skaven would just die.
This is the perfect example for why crumbling shouldn't even be a thing
Mathematically speaking, it works because the game uses the simple mechanic of subtraction instead of the slightly less simple mechanic of dividing. If it had been "Divide enemy leadership by 1.05", it would have stacked to /2.00 or /2.65, which doesn't work. (Yes, it still helps, it's just not the autowin this is.)
This is the same reason why stacking resistances is so powerfull.
Disaster battle... but from the other side.
How would this do vs lizardmen or another faction with high leadership?
If properly optimized it would still insta rout their roster (mb a few exceptions)
Lizardman pompus trait lowers leadership, i've been working on a skink chief pompus doomstack for a while.
This was fucking brilliant xD
deadly poisen tips^^
This is so much stronger vs anything other than vampire counts/Tomb Kings... Vampire counts crumble so slowly that they can actually still hurt you. Daemons crumble way faster, and normal factions will chain route immediately.
you can heal routing character but must heal them on the character, not their picture - Legend is actually doing it after
I don't know wether to be amazed or disgusted by this
This is why Zhang Fei is so overpowered in Three Kingdoms.
This is just fun
Hey Legend, you said there are other factions that have leadership debuffs, what other factions can do it outside of wood elves and beastmen?
Lizardmen and the Vampire factions have leadership lowering traits.
Cathay also has like -2 in the local region as a yin trait but that's not nearly as good
Pompous trait lizardmen are the big one. Coast can do it as mentioned but they aren't nearly as good at it (for multiple reasons)
Why is the PC taking 11 mins to even start charging into you? Why they not immediate bum rush????
Eastern Infantry of Warhammer?
Now this is the real shit I was waiting for! This is the real deal! Fun and true DOOM stack!
Its truly hilarious how the AI reacts to it. Instead of like attacking with their unit on the ground your units right away and use their fyling ones to attack your flying ones, it does some bs by running aimlessly around and such. The coding of it really needs to improve by a lot.
0 morale, meanwhile auto resolve expects heavy loss...
While i enjoy the video it is utterly impractical to do. Better to use heroes in your armies and put forest spirits on them to make all your armies more powerful.
Only thing i could see is using mainly waystalkers since you don't NEED need them in any army type. You can get like ~14 of them + blight of terrors treeman. Then can fill up with glade captains and mb just 1 branchwraith for replenishment (then the army is sort of functional as a skirmish hero squad even when the gimmick doesn't work). Still probably better to have forest spirits in all your armies (though you may have enough at this point)
The practicality comes from how early you can complete the doomstack. If you have 2 magic tree settlements as a non-Wargrove of Woe faction, you can get 8 heroes pretty quickly. The confederation missions should come up fairly early, and if you raise 4 lords to go around as a group with those 8 heroes in one of their armies you can basically destroy the leadership of any army you come across. The only limitation would be battles fought, but once you have the heroes and lords together you'll start picking up a ton of forest spirits through drops.
If you put the heroes in penny packets spread throughout multiple armies, you really dilute the effect of forest spirits. Having 4 heroes and 1 lord with it only amounts to -25 leadership, which won't immediately defeat anything and still forces you to fight battles. It just makes them end a little bit faster.
@@skywalker6119 It's not about whether you can do it. You can do a lot of things. It's just impractical and pointless. Having more than 3 heroes in your army (mb even just 2 for some) is just a waste of money. You already perform more than well enough against anything the game can throw at you. Wood Elves have some of the strongest armies in the game ... there's simply no need to do this. At the point where you could do it, it's still better to spread them out.
Only exception again being the 70% waystalker stack, assuming you build them everywhere (which I never do, but one might want to).
I hate that the wood elves have lizardmen battle music, it doesn't fit at all. They should have given them High Elf or Dark Elf battle music.
How much negative leadership is necessary for them to straight up disintegrate instead of crumble?
-50
Think lore of the deeps has an aoe spell that reduces melee attack and leadership.
Nah, man. I want an autoresolve Doomstack bc I don't want to fight most battles.
I wanted to say that the low hero capacity for WE sucks, but then I remembered that Hero’s and even magic are only optional in WH3:(
This was a fun doomstack. Contrary to the others which are more cool than fun id say.
why is the game so laggy?
do it on normal battle difficulty as well this will work nicelly but against a army of unbreakables or so this will not work and you will have to fight them to the death.
Practicality: 5/5
Strength: 4.5/5
Ease of Use: 4/5
Total: 4.5/5
Funny that of all the things that got nerfed, this didn't.
Perfectly balanced :D
Imagine doing this on demons 💀
I prefer the crumbling rate in WH2.
I thought CA fixed stacking buffs so you couldnt do this anymore
Not great but the Dawi rune of fear gives-3 to region
I really don't know why creative assembly don't just prevent perks like this from stacking. I mean since they went out of their way to get nerf stuff like Knowledgeable from Toatal Warhammer 2 it seems like kind of an oversight.
It's a singleplayer game, let people play however they want. It doesn't affect you how others play, and also no one forces you to choose the leadership debuff style.
@@Aerowixx Oh i agree, it does not harm to let people 'cheese' the game if they want to. Its just weird they fix some exploits while seeming being blind to others.
@@matthewsarson6934 Yeah that is true, sorry if I might have come off as aggressive. Units should have different stats for SP and MP and I'm slightly frustrated about the whole balance currently.
@@Aerowixx Yeah right now i am praying they actually not working on DLC. Because the balanace of the game is way out of whack.
You're doing it wrong, you're supposed to select all units and right click the enemy.