Harley Timken Bearing Upgrade Conversion | Performance Harley | Kevin Baxter | Pro Twin Performance
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- What is a Harley Timken Bearing Upgrade. Timken Bearing Conversion for your Performance Harley. Here, I explain Harley Flywheel problems, Harley Davidson crank bearings, what a Timken Bearing Upgrade is and why you should consider a Timken Conversion for your Harley Davidson. Also, you will learn how to do a Timken Upgrade in your Twin Cam or M8 Harley using tools from Jims Machine and the Jims Timken Bearing Sleeve. I found this video, as well as the cylinder head videos, tough. Sometimes it's hard to explain laws of physics, complex engine dynamics, forces, and load in it's simplest terms. So...bear with me..LOL
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:30 Harley Crankshaft How its Made
2:37 What is a sprocket shaft and pinion shaft harley
3:43 Why do I need a timken bearing upgrade
5:48 Crankshaft Runout Harley
7:22 What is a timken bearing
12:40 Why do a timken bearing only on left side harley
14:00 Install Timken Bearing Conversion
28:58 Closing - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
You're living the dream I'd say. Your own boss wrenching Harleys. Your know how is impressive. And you make damn good TH-cam videos. Wishing you all the best from Norway.
Looks to me like planned obsolescence so things will wear out faster then you can buy another motorcycle to keep them in business thanks for all the educational tips
lower cost...quicker production. youre welcome.
Fantastic demonstration on the tool and installation; I can't wait to tear my twin-cam apart and do this modification.
If you have a deep sink, hot water and Dawn dish soap are much more effective for washing machined surfaces. Not to say I haven't used the steam clean in a can when I have to, but every engine guy and machinist I apprenticed under at Cummins told me to never trust brake clean to get things perfectly clean. When I was at a basic engine machining class, one of the presentations was on best cleaning practices and they had pictures blown up under a microscope of particles left in blind holes, nooks, and crannies after a brake clean job and simple air blow out. The hot soap and water emulsifies the oil and lifts the particles off the surface, brake clean relies on dissolving the oil and hoping the force of the spray will knock loose the particles. Often time, the particle will remain as the brake clean dries.
Wow! What a great explanation of crankshaft bearings and crankshaft physics! Thanks Kevin!
Glad you enjoyed it!
"Thanks a million for watching"! Thanks a million to you Kevin for posting. Love all this technical stuff, it also demonstrates a high level of technical competence within your business, 1st Class Sir, thank you.
I second that, Kevin is the MASTER of H. D. Motors, so much knowledge he shares with in these videos THANK YOU FOR TIME, EXPERT EXPERIENCE HERE!!!! KEVIN BAXTER👍✔️🤔😎
I enjoy learning how things are done. I’ll never do it but I have a good understanding about it now. Thanks!
So that insert provides depth for both inner and outer.
Jims has made killer shop tools for decades man
Glad they're hookin' it up
Darkhorse hooked me up on my Timken upgrade on my M8. Great to see how it’s all done. Thanks!
I'm binge watching your videos and have learned more about H-D engines in the last few hours than I have over the last 8 years. Thanks Kevin. New subscriber.
Glad to help thank you!
Thanks Kevin, well worth staying up for.. Learnt alot. Keep it shiny side up, and looking forward to part 2. LLR
Glad you enjoyed it
I was under the impression, the INA bearing was a "ball bearing." Now I see it's a roller bearing, but it's a flat roller, and not tapered, like a Tipcon Bearing.
It's soooooo depressing, to spend so much money on something, that needs to be completely rebuilt, to "above stock standards," just to have a little peace of mind about the machine your ass is on.
I enjoyed that Kevin. I like mechanic 'n on stuff. It's fun seeing someone who knows what they are doing 'most of the time!'
Is this case you're working on, the same as my '04' 88ci TC?
Being on '04,' does my 88ci TC have the tapered end connecting rods? I've never been inside it... Yet!
If I have to crack open the cam chest, to inspect those chain tensioners, I might as well replace them...
Even if I can't afford to change to gear driven cams, should I take out the cam plate and have the cam bearings changed on the primary side of the cam chest?
Always more questions than time!
Peace Kevin...
this was an 07....but for the most part, the same as your 04. if you go into the cam chest, certainly install torrington cam bearings.
That would be a Timken bearing James.
I wish Harley would have kept using the Timken setup and the forged crankshaft.
Excellent as always. Can't wait for the next installment
Thanks!! You’re a great teacher and explain things so well!
Hello Kevin, thanks a lot for posting this video. You explain it damn well. Thank you!!!!!!
You r the man. Your knowledge is a gift. Thanks for sharing it.
Best video so far mate
Great channel really good job on the vids and the expertise and u make it easy to watch
Another great video Kevin. Really enjoy the real time unedited footage of the how to's.. The less editing the better! Really like the POV footage with the head camera. You're really taking one for the team wearing that ridiculous looking camera though :) Thanks for doing these.
I'm so glad I chose your shop! I'm looking forward already to the next engine you build me after this one!
You and me both!
So much information from this channel thank you 🙏 guys
This is awesome brother. Thank you.
Educational as always!
Keep 'em coming bro, thanks.
Will do!
Thanks from Canada! Excellent video
Glad you enjoyed it!
Absolutely perfect episode to start the new bearing switch over. Kevin you so good at sharing this kind of info and you are the best.
All these dudes going to Car College getting themselves in debt, when really all they need do is subcribe to Baxter and smash that like button. Dudes drops more knowledge bombs in a 30 minute bit than a Professor in a semester.
Can’t wait for the next vidya. Awesome stuff glad I found this channel. Being a mechanic and owning my first Harley I now know how they are put together and what to do later on for upgrades
AWESOME Video!! I am in the process of having this done, I am glad i was able to see it here! THANK YOU for your time in making these Videos!!!
Amazing... to someone who knew nothing about motors last year. Thank you Kevin, lover your videos!
Thanks for watching!
@@KevinBaxter Love to you amazing engineer... you sound like an MIT guy and better. Thanks for making it easy for us "harleys for dummys" lol
Absolutely top shelf work!
Honestly man
Best teacher ever
These are the best videos.
Thank you Lance!
Great start Kevin looking to the next video. stay frosty my friend.
Thanks 👍
Excellent video Kevin. I never knew any of that. Way cool.
Glad you liked it!
Sorry I missed the premiere..... fantastic video!! This video made me realize how much I miss building engines !!! Your explanations, your pace and the birds eye camera view are fantastic!! And as far as tapered token bearings go, there is a reason they are used as wheel bearings !! Looking forward to the next vid!!
Thank you sir!
I really love in the videos this is a great series I'm learning tons I really can't wait I have you build my motor
Glad you enjoy it! I look forward to that as well!
I have ALWAYS wanted to see the inside of a case with the flywheels, etc., and I have ALWAYS wanted to see how Timken bearings are installed. I had a Timken upgrade done on my twin-cam, but I had No Idea how it was done! These videos are really GREAT, and I only wish I lived closer to your shop. Well, at any rate, I'll get a chance to talk with you, in person, come August 16th!
Excellent information Mr. Baxter thanks for providing your work in action.😎💪🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
You bet. thank you sir
Now that is more better, love the machining and the the technical information. Bob
Great video
I was almost waiting on a basics of thrust when I was watching.. Lol
I appreciate the video. My shop said I’ve got too much runout and need to rebuild but this definitely shows why it cost so damn much but I see why it’ll be so much better than stock. Awesome video!👍🏽👍🏽
Marvelous explanation of the process and why it would be done! Excellent video, especially the point of view camera!!!
Thank you very much!
Love the video , Thank you for sharing . Great teacher very clear and understandable.
Glad you enjoyed it! thank you
Very nice Kevin. Thanks for doing that - I’d always wondered about the process and it was good to see a competent and no nonsense explanation of it.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanx for sharing. Great step by step work
Amazing work!
Great video! Thank you for your time.
My pleasure!
A year , a day . Great job ! . Like the Jims kit ,
Kevin as always great series it takes a special man to dedicate this much time and effort in order to educate his followers! Greatly appreciated and Happy New Year to you and your family!
I appreciate that!. Happy New Year and the best to you and yours Dave!!
Great video Kevin. I had heard of this crank bearing issue, but didn't quite understand the real problem. Now with your explanation and demonstration I understand clearly. Have 60k+ miles on my 03 TC88... knocking on wood (my noggin') that I won't need to do this conversion any time in my future of owning this bike. Thanks again for taking us along for the education. Sorry didn't catch the live feed. Looking forward to next episode...
Thank you sir!!
Missed the premiere, I was out looking for sockets for my next repair, had to order them. Thanks for this, I know from experience that making video of the process slowed you down and I'm looking forward to the rest of this series. I'm going to send you a list of parts for quote once I get my bike torn down, want to wait until it is all apart so I get everything I need at once. This bike always produces a bunch of extra jobs when I do any work on it.
Thank you sir!
My Road King is 2000 mod so already has the timken bearing so i dont really know why im watcing this but i enjoyed it anyway and learned quite a bit so thumbs up (=
Very informative. Thank you
Thanks for these videos! Learning so much. Haha. Like why I would pay you to do it. You’re very talented....
This is so good!
Nice work . Both of my motors have Timken bearings and gear drive cams . I heard that it is not necessary not that I carried . I thought it was for my build and I still do . Thanks for showing how its done and where to get it done
Man sorry and I hate I missed the live stream I unfortunately got covid and was napping. I had my evo motor reworked and did a temkin bearing conversion on mine (said my mechanic) but he didn't do the bottom end it was pistons,cam and heads so not really sure which bearings were changed lol. Great video as always
all evo's were timken...so there would be no need for a conversion.
Oh ok well maybe he uncharged me then😫 thanks for the knowledge kevin ur the best
Fantastic video, you would be a great instructor for new motorcycle mechanics.
Great video. Can you explain the difference between tapered rods vs full width rods and why someone would choose one over the other when purchasing a new flywheel?
Great suggestion!
Like the video , it's nice to see what you're doing
Thanks 👍
Thanks Kevin for another tech upgrade tip.You wonder,besides manufacturing costs,why HD didn't do this upgrade off the assembly line?The customer has to pay through the nose to acquire one a HD.
lower cost and quicker production...
Very very detailed video. My buddy had his whole engine done with the Timken barring. I went the easy way out lol. I ordered a S&S 124 create engine. After doing the math it was cheaper. My buddy wanted a full on street and strip engine I'm fine with just a street sweeper. But I would like to swap out the s&s 585 for andrews 67G 😆
Great video.
Awesome video! Suggestion? Countersinking the holes prior to tapping is a better procedure, it also provides a lead for the tap. (Sorry my 35+ yrs as a journeyman machinist talking...)
Damn Kevin, what can one say? But great work! Keep it coming.👊
Darn! I wish I had seen the premiere of this video. I have seen another Ytube presenter saying that from 99-02 was a timken bearing setup on the 88's. Kevin at the beginning of this video says it was changed in 02. I have an 2002 88 and would really like to clarify which bottom end I have.....
I’ve research this subject in depth and all state 99-02 are tapered timken
Good information. Keep on keeping on
Thank you, I will
You’re the man!!
too kind. thanks.
great video.
I agree with everything you discussed, and timken was the first to produce tapered roller bearings but there is other manufacturers of tapered roller bearings if very high quality. I'm a fan of timken but am not committed to just their bearings
THANKS KEVIN 🌎
A few years back I did a SE 117 conversion, but HD didn't sell the Timkin conversion kit yet, and said that it wasn't necessary, luckily Jim's had them, I can't see running any kind of performance engine without it.
I've never had a Harley, but this is a master mechanic sharing real knowledge, it's great to see.
What year would make for a more robust longer lasting engine for Harleys, if you were to keep it stock?
Well done! Thank you.
Just out of curiosity is that the same oil I used as an electrician to cut pipe threads.If so the jug used to state that the sulfur was there to help prevent infections in cuts witch happen to every body that works with their hands. I was hopping to watch this live but was drawn to the TV right before hand. I guess some times idiots happen. Great really great video. You have gotten very good at passing on information. Thank You. Mike from Maryland
Oops. I must have come back and pushed the button again. I'm old and I shows.
i had heard the same thing...but never confirmed. but yes....because it's universal for all materials and works for milling, turning, and tapping operations.
I was just going to ask you about Tap-Magic when you mentioned it. We used to use it a lot drilling and tapping where I used to work while drilling and tapping aluminum.
This is another excellent video, You did a good job explaining the laws of physics, complex engine dynamics, forces, and load that the crankshaft goes through. I love the Timken Bearing Conversion and see the value in the upgrade.
The video left me wondering what would be the extra cost in the upgrade, If you were rebuilding a Twin Cam or M8?
Again,, THANK You for shearing your knowledge with us.
All about lower cost and speeding up production. Thanks Gary!
Hello from Beaumont tx
Great Info! Thanks
You bet!
Brilliant!!! ☝️
Thank you for sharing
My pleasure
As Spock would say...."Fascinating"
After that great explanation of all the forces at play on the crankshaft, flywheel assembly, you've got to wonder what was Harley thinking when they did away with the TIMKEN bearing? It has to be all about cutting costs.
Great video
Thank you!
Exact reason I bought my 02 TC, along with I wanted a controlled fuel leak not injection. Such a great video Kevin. What if you already have a timkin bearing, do you just do a new set up? Thanks Kevin, learn a little more every time. Your Patreon is worth it’s weight in gold on knowledge alone.
Thank you Sully. Youve mentioned Patreon a couple of times. Maybe i should look into that. If it is a timken case, the races would be pressed out, new ones back in, and then same procedure from there.
@@KevinBaxter Thank you Kevin, much appreciated. Sorry about saying Patreon, I was thinking the donation monthly was done through Patreon. None the less, worth every penny.
Thank you!
You're welcome! stay warm!
Very cool big thank you
Just watching now had to work late looking forward to watching This even though I've seen other videos of this conversion.
great video kevin i think folks would have liked to see more on the taps and type you used and the actual tapping of the adapter in the case i could be wrong maybe i missed it ?
Hi @Kevin Baxter, what is the implication of you drilling the holes without the sleeve in place? Would they than be a tad deeper and the oil ones slightly shifted inwards as the thickness of the sleeve offsets otherwise? From my reading of Jims instructions for this procedure, they do it with the sleeve installed.
Thanks ... Bloody interesting.
Kevin the 2002's have the Timken bearing in them
...awesome video...
Thanks!
Changed mine
Great information, thank you.
How do I get a jims conversion kit to suit 2013 dyna here in Australia?
I'm having my 96ci twin cam built now to 110 did Timken bearing conversion and going gear driven cam
I’m always eyeballing that fxr in the background haha
It seems best that I baby my 88 around from here on out and give up all my imaginary racing. Put, Put, Put. Thank goodness those D&D Fat Cat will still sound just as mean and narly.
Super interesting!
Glad you think so! thank you sir!
Was there a particular month in 2002-2003 of production that Harley changed to the roller bearing setup?
Hi Kevin, love your older videos. What about a lefty bearing? Saw one on screaming eagle website, not sure what to make of it.
They are nice upgrades. not completely necessary with a timken but it certainly doesnt hurt.
Great video but I'd like to know how much HD actually saved by deleting the Timken bearing. Did they have to delete because of the change in accepted tolerances of the crank?
as for how much saved? hard to say. but it came down to cost and faster production.
Cylindrical roller bearings are super cheap when compared to tapers, especially with a matched set as used in this video.