Definitely one of the best videos on YT ive never seen both tarp AND hammock hung from same set of daisychains cheers salty much appreciated thanks again keep up the great adventures....colin. 🏕🔥🚴♂️
I live in the desert and watch your videos just to see trees and rivers. 🌵 thanks Salty Beard .after watching this a bunch of times I’m gonna get a cheep fair weather hammock for bike packing and camping. Thanks for the great information.
Hey! Fellow Victorian, love your channel. I've been hiking and biking with my Kammock for years, but this year will be the first year I actually camp in it. Got the net and the tarp, can't wait. Thanks for this video!
That would be pretty cool... just takes time and more videos, more marketing. If I could convert even half of my 7000 Instagram followers to click in.... that would be crazy awesome
Thanks - maybe one day you’ll try one. With the right set up they are an even better sleep. I have bad shoulders/neck/back and this is the way to go for me. Mind you, if I’m on a trip void of trees, I’m back to a tent.
I just bought one and this weekend I'm going to try it out. So far I have gone with a tent. I will try and tell you my results. thanks for the video, it has helped me a lot and has encouraged me
Nice informative video! I was born in the hammock’s land Colombia with a “O” I slept in many hammocks when I was a child. I definitely have to try this camping hammocks. Thanks 😉
I'm glad my hammock tent does not have that rope part. Mine has carrabiner clips on each end, super easy super strong. I need to switch to the quilts, just hard to give up the high dollar mummy bag.
Yours doesn't have a ridge line? I find that ridge lines keep the shape of the hammock the same every time so the tension doesn't change it's shape... and with the integrated bug netting, keeps the biting insects away.
Looking back there’s a few extra things I could have mentioned. I need to plan my how-to vids out better ~ I’m still getting the hang of this. Learning as I go. Camping hammocks have ridgelines to hold the proper shape
it is a completely different thing, and not all hammocks are built the same. PROS: a) when set up correctly, I thinks way more comfortable, especially if you have shoulder/back/neck issues. If I sleep on the ground, I'm a wreak in the morning after the previous day's ride. b) no real need to look for a suitable spot. As long as trees are abundant, it's amazing what you can string between. CONS: a) you will give up privacy. No real place to get changed, or cook in a vestibule, etc, like you can in a tent, or sit up and do stuff, especially in poor weather. b) cold. hammocks are naturally cool, and an under quilt is pretty much needed, unless night time temps are 20+C c) rain.. not that this a con really, but a bigger rain fly is best. d) if you're at all claustrophobic, or don't like tight sleeping spaces, hammock may not be for you. See if a buddy has a camping hammock you can try for a trip, or even just in your backyard.
My panniers always have my hammocks in, a tarp and a camo' net for stealthy crafty camps. If I'm on the ground, the tarp is over and under (5 x 4 metres) if I'm in the hammock (plus one below for the insulation pad thingy) the tarp is over the lot. It covers my bike and trailer, or i make a tarp tent, options! I use a spirit stove because I don't want a fire and I don't want a noisy gas stove - it's not stealthy. I keep food easy and light but filling. I am up before the birds sometimes and go to bed at dusk. I take naps on the trail in my chair, somewhere quiet. I must say I prefer a hammock sleep to tents. Where bugs may come along the lines, I use cardboard discs cut and stuck to old CD's with a slot in, or just spray the CD with black paint, it won't stop them all, but enough. I have built in bug nets with the jungle hammocks.
@@SaltyBeard_Adventures I got a few year training in for HRH in the Scots guards. I think you know a few as there's a Canadian branch of the kilted family. (Black Watch). I did quite a bit of mucking about in jungles - PNG, Borneo, places like that. Being outdoors helps with my mental health.
@@marksadventures3889 - sounds like you've had some interesting adventures yourself. yes, being outdoor is good for one's soul & mental health. Keep on adventuring :))
Some hammocks have a hanging mesh bag in the central line that holds up the zippered fly net. It can slide along to be repositioned. This is true for Hennessy camping hammocks. Not sure about others.
It always made my wonder about rain coming down th eline, thanks so much for explaining how to avoid it. Very informative video, you hvae such a nice young voice. Greets from Switzerland
I’d be interested to hear what differences you picked out. I don’t think there is a bias in set up based on mode of travel. I seen many different ways people like to hang their gear. Might be a different way to package it. Maybe for weather too? I hate playing with gear when it’s raining, so I pack it a particular way. I’d love to hear any tips / tricks you have. 😃
Salty Beard, I just found your channel and I'm so impressed! You're doing everything I'm trying to get into. I just got my first good gravel bike, a Poseidon Redwood, and am starting to get/make bags. Here's my question: I also have a Hennessy Hammock and quilts, how many liters is your stuff sack? I'm trying to figure out how big a bag I need for all my sleeping kit. Thanks in advance! Love your channel, instant subscribe.
Tony / welcome to the tribe !!! - lots of adventures around the corner for you. The redwood looks like a great bike. I quite like the rear rack mounts. Did you get the flat olive green? Classic look. You don’t need much for overnighters. So for all my sleeping setup (hammock, quilt, under quilt, straps, rain fly, 14L is what I use. A Sea to Summit E-Vent (M) - i wish the bag was a little more sausage-like. I think that’s the hardest part of using regular bags... too big of a diameter for the front, easy to rub on a tire. - if I don’t need my underquilt I use a SeaLine Blocker PurgeAir (10L). It’s a nice narrow tube shape.
Do you mean a bivi bag & thin mat inside the hammock? or just using a bivi bag? I find that using any pad inside the hammock takes up too much room, and I eventually have some part of my body that comes off the pad, and then I get cold. ¿Te refieres a un bivi bag y una esterilla fina dentro de la hamaca? o simplemente usando un bivi bag? Encuentro que usar cualquier almohadilla dentro de la hamaca ocupa demasiado espacio, y eventualmente tengo una parte de mi cuerpo que se desprende de la almohadilla, y luego me enfría.
@@SaltyBeard_Adventures Lo que proponía era dos sobres de dormir, y entre ellos, una colchoneta fina inflable. Pero como tu dices, tal vez se salgan de lugar, y quede parte del cuerpo tocando la hamaca. Gracias por tu aporte. Saludos
I think that for all the hassle, a simple under-quilt is still warmer when it's windy or cool. Using a camping quilt, rather than a sleeping bag, it's not restrictive, allowing you to be more comfortable. Creo que a pesar de todas las molestias, una simple colcha inferior aún es más cálida cuando hace viento o hace frío. Usar una colcha para acampar, en lugar de un saco de dormir, no es restrictivo, lo que le permite estar más cómodo.
Thanks Mark... spread the word within your circles. Please let me know if you would like to see, how how I can improve my content for the bikepacking and cycling community. Take care.
Just curious Rob: if I have the wide hammock straps with daisy chain loops and a hammock with built in carabiners, am I able to skip the part with the paracord and the Munder hitch and just clip my hammock directly to one of the loops on the hammock strap? Since there are so many loops on the hammock tree strap, I’m certain I would be able to find the correct one for the right tension and get the right hang. What do you think?
I think it is very workable.... but first question, does you hammock have a ridge line? This is the ideal for a good camping hammock as it keeps the "ends" of your hammock at a set distance, giving you a consistent "droop" of the fabric. If you could imagine pulling your hammock tight, the fabric will also tighten, and you end becoming a fabric wrapped banana, rather than having room to sleep at an angle. It doesn't make other hammocks bad, just that you have to be mindful of that "tension. And the distance between the ends will change as you weight the hammock. My hammock is constructed with a built-in in mainline so, the munter hitch setup is the way to go for me. With your setup of static clips at the end, and (good long) daisy chain straps. You can achieve the right tension by which loops you pick (the distance apart), and then change head/foot height buy going UP a loop on one side, and DOWN a loop on the other until you find that sweet spot. Everyone has a little different setup, but I do find that once you hang with your head down a little, you end up more comfortable inside. Keep in mind that bowl of water idea. It's better if you naturally slip up a little, than slowly slide down with your feet jammed in the end of the hammock. Hope this helps. Happy Hammocking ! :)
Hi there Isaac: while you can buy traditional hammock large enough and strong enough for two people, they are more used for chilling in the back yard and not comfy for a good night's sleep. That said, there are some options that are possible. a) use two hammocks, and do what's called "nesting", your foot ends are tied to the same tree and the heads at tied to other trees, and then you use a large rainfly to cover both. You have your independence, but can lay there and talk to each other. b) while these are "hammocks" they are suspension beds really..... I imagine a triangle trampoline with tent like top. Some people call the tree tents. check out www.tentsile.com -- they are the most well-known maker of these types of suspension beds. And here is a really good review on one of their new beds. (bikerumor.com/2020/05/28/tentsile-return-to-earth-w-ground-conversion-for-tree-tents-plus-new-safari-vista-xl-hammocks/) About your fork cage cage question: Bikepacking has a really good listing of cages. Comparing apples to apples the Blackburn cage is $25 US, pretty average, but some are $55US each - now that's darn pricy. I guess it's also where you live. In Canada mine were $34 CDN. The issue I had with most other fork cages, is that I couldn't mount them with hose clamps to my MTB fork. Blackburn was the only one I found that work well for that. But if you're on a tight budget, $50/US for pair may be hard. I hack that I used to do when I was younger, was use a playact contain that was about the same diameter as my stuff sack. You cut it in half, and then cut slots in it and hose clamp it to the fork. Then strap the bag on around everything. This will squish the "container" around your bag, and suck the bag into the fork. The bottom of the container half supports some of the weight of the bag. And the hoseclamps then aren't really doing much but keeping the entire thing in place from rotating fore/aft, or up/down. When I was younger, I would use a large 1 gal water jug. They wouldn't last forever, but a least a trip or two and I just kept re-using the hose clamps. But remember, you can't carry anything too heavy. In my mind... $50/US is not that expensive to get seething that "secure" and not going to blow up is smash into a pothole at speed. hope that helps.
@@SaltyBeard_Adventures thanks for the reply and the tips! i was asking about the two person hammock because me and my girlfriends were trying to see what we can do with what we already have- before this video i didnt realize what goes into 'real' sleeping hammocks vs the cheapo double hammock i already have... i think ill find a way to bring my tent! and thanks for the idea for the plastic jugs, i just needed a base for something like the DIY fork bags from your other video- the blackburn cages are awesome but i couldnt justify paying more for each one than i have payed for all my bags combined so far.
another option, is how you pack.., If you have an old backpack, put some really light, fluffy things in it, and go without fork bags, until you can afford cages.
@@SaltyBeard_Adventures smart! i know people try to avoid backpacks when biking long distances, but i guess if i just put my clothes and stuff on my back, i can pack the heavy stuff down low on the bike
This only leaves 2’ between hammock and tree, however I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 12’ hammock either. In my experience is not enough when dealing with a different sized rain flies. I could definitely go tighter if I didn’t use a rain fly. Spacing between trees is a flexible number as nature does not present us with perfect numbers. The take away is that is it better to go long than short, and that every set up is a little different. There is no “exact”. The angle on hang is not as critical with hammocks that have fixed ridge-lines. The finger-thumb method, given that everyone’s finger and thumb are different length is only that ~ a rule of thumb. Which ironically would be 26-30 deg hang for most people’s hands (And a recommended method by most hammock instructions I have). I have used a wide variety of hammocks over many years, in some crazy situations and personally could not tell you the difference between 4deg of hang variance when using a proper camping hammock with a ridge-line.
@@SaltyBeard_Adventures actually more than 2' because if you are going for a 30° hang, the horizontal distance is ~10'5". I use a 12' hammock. You can actually get closer. If you have a 12' tarp, as close as 12', with a 12' hammock. Check out the ultimate hang for all the dirty details. I just remembered alot of my high school algebra trigonometry and applied it to my hammock camping.
Hanging a hammock should not be an exercise in "exact" trigonometry. I am assuming all your measurements are based on horizontal (a 12 ft hammock to me is 12ft along the ridgeline). So, a 12ft hammock in a 16ft spacing leaves 2ft on each side. HORIZONTAL. Your exactingness of an "ultimate hang" is almost negated when using a hammock with a fixed ridge-line. Shall we include mass into the equation? Do you calculate your ultimate hang weighted or unweighted? Do you know the elongation stretch ratio of your straps and line? Static or Dynamic? As this will alter your numbers if the person is 250lbs vs 90lbs. Your "perfect" mathematical hang isn't so perfect after they are in the hammock trying to sleep. The end of the day, it's about what provides a good sleep. My tips and tricks are what I have learned over many years of playing with hammocks in the woods (and sometimes, between power poles, fences, and rock gardens) May I ask how many nights you have slept in a hammock? Have you been in a hammock when the rain is blowing sideways and 4ft diameter trees are swaying about like willows in the wind?
As a tenter (but curious about hammocks) bikepacker this was the best, easy-going guide I've seen. Answered all of my questions, thanks.
Thanks / buzz me if you have any others.
Definitely one of the best videos on YT ive never seen both tarp AND hammock hung from same set of daisychains cheers salty much appreciated thanks again keep up the great adventures....colin. 🏕🔥🚴♂️
Easily the most informative hammock video I've watched. Thank you very much.
You’re very welcome. Glad you found it informative 👍🏼
@@SaltyBeard_Adventures I'm hammock curious at the moment. This helps a lot.
@@gstriumph glad it helped. email me if you have any questions.
Great idea!
Haven't used a hammock since the army - the best way to ride in a C130.
Thank you
Oh heck yeah! The vibrations lulling you to sleep while the odd thing goes “clink- clank” in the background.
Best way to ride a big rig or freight train too.
I live in the desert and watch your videos just to see trees and rivers. 🌵 thanks Salty Beard .after watching this a bunch of times I’m gonna get a cheep fair weather hammock for bike packing and camping. Thanks for the great information.
LOL - I watch desert videos just to feel warm. Funny how that works 🤜🏼🤛🏽😁. Glad to have you along for the ride!
Hey! Fellow Victorian, love your channel. I've been hiking and biking with my Kammock for years, but this year will be the first year I actually camp in it. Got the net and the tarp, can't wait. Thanks for this video!
Awesome to hear - it’s fun to just hang about on trips.
This channel should have 10 times the subscribers. Great stuff!
That would be pretty cool... just takes time and more videos, more marketing. If I could convert even half of my 7000 Instagram followers to click in.... that would be crazy awesome
I’m a visual learner. Now it’s locked in to memory.
Glad this worked for you
Great video. I’m not a hammock guy...yet! But you did a great job explaining the tips and tricks.
Thanks - maybe one day you’ll try one. With the right set up they are an even better sleep. I have bad shoulders/neck/back and this is the way to go for me. Mind you, if I’m on a trip void of trees, I’m back to a tent.
I just bought one and this weekend I'm going to try it out. So far I have gone with a tent. I will try and tell you my results. thanks for the video, it has helped me a lot and has encouraged me
Awesome! It may take you a few nights to get used to it.
This will be my first time backpacking with a hammock, underquilt & tarp. Thanks for all the great tips!
Awesome- glad this helped you
Nice informative video! I was born in the hammock’s land Colombia with a “O” I slept in many hammocks when I was a child. I definitely have to try this camping hammocks. Thanks 😉
For what I give up in privacy, I gain in a more restful sleep.
I was waiting for this. Thank you.
Your very welcome Dave ~ sorry it took a while. It’s been on my planner but when work gets busy, not much time left for other things.
Me too!
Munter hitch, cool! gotta try that, I am a sheet bender 20- 25 years . cheers
Excellent for hammocks, but beware that they spin around... I turn it prior to weighing the hammock.
I'm glad my hammock tent does not have that rope part. Mine has carrabiner clips on each end, super easy super strong. I need to switch to the quilts, just hard to give up the high dollar mummy bag.
Yours doesn't have a ridge line? I find that ridge lines keep the shape of the hammock the same every time so the tension doesn't change it's shape... and with the integrated bug netting, keeps the biting insects away.
Great tips. I also find that a wee bit of whiskey opens up more sleeping comfort for me in the hammock. lol
LOL / a wee dram does the body good 😊
Great stuff! Shug would be proud! (But you didn’t mention your ridge line)
Looking back there’s a few extra things I could have mentioned. I need to plan my how-to vids out better ~ I’m still getting the hang of this. Learning as I go. Camping hammocks have ridgelines to hold the proper shape
@@SaltyBeard_Adventures I didn’t mean to be critical of your video. Just thought I should bring it up. You’re killing it on TH-cam and IG
I've considered switching to a hammock setup, still curious!
it is a completely different thing, and not all hammocks are built the same.
PROS:
a) when set up correctly, I thinks way more comfortable, especially if you have shoulder/back/neck issues. If I sleep on the ground, I'm a wreak in the morning after the previous day's ride.
b) no real need to look for a suitable spot. As long as trees are abundant, it's amazing what you can string between.
CONS:
a) you will give up privacy. No real place to get changed, or cook in a vestibule, etc, like you can in a tent, or sit up and do stuff, especially in poor weather.
b) cold. hammocks are naturally cool, and an under quilt is pretty much needed, unless night time temps are 20+C
c) rain.. not that this a con really, but a bigger rain fly is best.
d) if you're at all claustrophobic, or don't like tight sleeping spaces, hammock may not be for you.
See if a buddy has a camping hammock you can try for a trip, or even just in your backyard.
Where I live in Vermont we call a hammock a "Moose Piñata"!😆
🤪 and here.. a bear burrito !
My panniers always have my hammocks in, a tarp and a camo' net for stealthy crafty camps. If I'm on the ground, the tarp is over and under (5 x 4 metres) if I'm in the hammock (plus one below for the insulation pad thingy) the tarp is over the lot. It covers my bike and trailer, or i make a tarp tent, options! I use a spirit stove because I don't want a fire and I don't want a noisy gas stove - it's not stealthy. I keep food easy and light but filling. I am up before the birds sometimes and go to bed at dusk. I take naps on the trail in my chair, somewhere quiet. I must say I prefer a hammock sleep to tents. Where bugs may come along the lines, I use cardboard discs cut and stuck to old CD's with a slot in, or just spray the CD with black paint, it won't stop them all, but enough. I have built in bug nets with the jungle hammocks.
Sounds like your pretty dialled in with your setup / excellent work 👍🏻
@@SaltyBeard_Adventures I got a few year training in for HRH in the Scots guards. I think you know a few as there's a Canadian branch of the kilted family. (Black Watch). I did quite a bit of mucking about in jungles - PNG, Borneo, places like that. Being outdoors helps with my mental health.
@@marksadventures3889 - sounds like you've had some interesting adventures yourself. yes, being outdoor is good for one's soul & mental health. Keep on adventuring :))
Nice video. Where do you keep your glasses during the night? Are there pockets for stuff in your hammock?
Some hammocks have a hanging mesh bag in the central line that holds up the zippered fly net. It can slide along to be repositioned. This is true for Hennessy camping hammocks. Not sure about others.
That is correct. Mine has a little hanging bag. My power bank goes in there to charge devices and my glasses too.
It always made my wonder about rain coming down th eline, thanks so much for explaining how to avoid it. Very informative video, you hvae such a nice young voice. Greets from Switzerland
I’m glad you found it informative. And the complement on my voice - LOL - can’t say anyone has told me that before 🤜🏼🤛🏽
Such a good video! Really well done. I’m spreading the word.
Thanks 😊 glad you found it helpful. Spread away!!! 🤜🏼🤛🏽
Interesting the differences between the hammock setups for backpacking vs bikepacking.
I’d be interested to hear what differences you picked out. I don’t think there is a bias in set up based on mode of travel. I seen many different ways people like to hang their gear. Might be a different way to package it. Maybe for weather too? I hate playing with gear when it’s raining, so I pack it a particular way. I’d love to hear any tips / tricks you have. 😃
Salty Beard, I just found your channel and I'm so impressed! You're doing everything I'm trying to get into. I just got my first good gravel bike, a Poseidon Redwood, and am starting to get/make bags. Here's my question: I also have a Hennessy Hammock and quilts, how many liters is your stuff sack? I'm trying to figure out how big a bag I need for all my sleeping kit. Thanks in advance! Love your channel, instant subscribe.
Tony / welcome to the tribe !!! - lots of adventures around the corner for you. The redwood looks like a great bike. I quite like the rear rack mounts. Did you get the flat olive green? Classic look. You don’t need much for overnighters. So for all my sleeping setup (hammock, quilt, under quilt, straps, rain fly, 14L is what I use. A Sea to Summit E-Vent (M) - i wish the bag was a little more sausage-like. I think that’s the hardest part of using regular bags... too big of a diameter for the front, easy to rub on a tire. - if I don’t need my underquilt I use a SeaLine Blocker PurgeAir (10L). It’s a nice narrow tube shape.
@@SaltyBeard_Adventures Thanks so much for the reply and the information!
No problem 😉 - reach out any time if you have questions or just need to chat
Estimado, has probado usar dos sobres de dormir, uno dentro de otro, y entre ellos, una colchoneta fina, para el frío? Muy buenos tus videos. Saludos
Do you mean a bivi bag & thin mat inside the hammock? or just using a bivi bag? I find that using any pad inside the hammock takes up too much room, and I eventually have some part of my body that comes off the pad, and then I get cold.
¿Te refieres a un bivi bag y una esterilla fina dentro de la hamaca? o simplemente usando un bivi bag? Encuentro que usar cualquier almohadilla dentro de la hamaca ocupa demasiado espacio, y eventualmente tengo una parte de mi cuerpo que se desprende de la almohadilla, y luego me enfría.
@@SaltyBeard_Adventures Lo que proponía era dos sobres de dormir, y entre ellos, una colchoneta fina inflable. Pero como tu dices, tal vez se salgan de lugar, y quede parte del cuerpo tocando la hamaca. Gracias por tu aporte. Saludos
I think that for all the hassle, a simple under-quilt is still warmer when it's windy or cool. Using a camping quilt, rather than a sleeping bag, it's not restrictive, allowing you to be more comfortable.
Creo que a pesar de todas las molestias, una simple colcha inferior aún es más cálida cuando hace viento o hace frío. Usar una colcha para acampar, en lugar de un saco de dormir, no es restrictivo, lo que le permite estar más cómodo.
Love your channel
Thanks Mark... spread the word within your circles. Please let me know if you would like to see, how how I can improve my content for the bikepacking and cycling community. Take care.
thx for tips
Very welcome 😀
Excellent content. Thank you.
Thanks 😊
Just curious Rob: if I have the wide hammock straps with daisy chain loops and a hammock with built in carabiners, am I able to skip the part with the paracord and the Munder hitch and just clip my hammock directly to one of the loops on the hammock strap? Since there are so many loops on the hammock tree strap, I’m certain I would be able to find the correct one for the right tension and get the right hang. What do you think?
I think it is very workable.... but first question, does you hammock have a ridge line? This is the ideal for a good camping hammock as it keeps the "ends" of your hammock at a set distance, giving you a consistent "droop" of the fabric. If you could imagine pulling your hammock tight, the fabric will also tighten, and you end becoming a fabric wrapped banana, rather than having room to sleep at an angle. It doesn't make other hammocks bad, just that you have to be mindful of that "tension. And the distance between the ends will change as you weight the hammock. My hammock is constructed with a built-in in mainline so, the munter hitch setup is the way to go for me.
With your setup of static clips at the end, and (good long) daisy chain straps. You can achieve the right tension by which loops you pick (the distance apart), and then change head/foot height buy going UP a loop on one side, and DOWN a loop on the other until you find that sweet spot. Everyone has a little different setup, but I do find that once you hang with your head down a little, you end up more comfortable inside. Keep in mind that bowl of water idea. It's better if you naturally slip up a little, than slowly slide down with your feet jammed in the end of the hammock.
Hope this helps. Happy Hammocking ! :)
What underquilt are you using?
- an inexpensive synthetic one from Amazon - link is in the description.
Any tips for two people in the hammock?
Hi there Isaac: while you can buy traditional hammock large enough and strong enough for two people, they are more used for chilling in the back yard and not comfy for a good night's sleep. That said, there are some options that are possible.
a) use two hammocks, and do what's called "nesting", your foot ends are tied to the same tree and the heads at tied to other trees, and then you use a large rainfly to cover both. You have your independence, but can lay there and talk to each other.
b) while these are "hammocks" they are suspension beds really..... I imagine a triangle trampoline with tent like top. Some people call the tree tents. check out www.tentsile.com -- they are the most well-known maker of these types of suspension beds. And here is a really good review on one of their new beds.
(bikerumor.com/2020/05/28/tentsile-return-to-earth-w-ground-conversion-for-tree-tents-plus-new-safari-vista-xl-hammocks/)
About your fork cage cage question: Bikepacking has a really good listing of cages. Comparing apples to apples the Blackburn cage is $25 US, pretty average, but some are $55US each - now that's darn pricy. I guess it's also where you live. In Canada mine were $34 CDN. The issue I had with most other fork cages, is that I couldn't mount them with hose clamps to my MTB fork. Blackburn was the only one I found that work well for that. But if you're on a tight budget, $50/US for pair may be hard.
I hack that I used to do when I was younger, was use a playact contain that was about the same diameter as my stuff sack. You cut it in half, and then cut slots in it and hose clamp it to the fork. Then strap the bag on around everything. This will squish the "container" around your bag, and suck the bag into the fork. The bottom of the container half supports some of the weight of the bag. And the hoseclamps then aren't really doing much but keeping the entire thing in place from rotating fore/aft, or up/down. When I was younger, I would use a large 1 gal water jug. They wouldn't last forever, but a least a trip or two and I just kept re-using the hose clamps. But remember, you can't carry anything too heavy.
In my mind... $50/US is not that expensive to get seething that "secure" and not going to blow up is smash into a pothole at speed.
hope that helps.
@@SaltyBeard_Adventures thanks for the reply and the tips! i was asking about the two person hammock because me and my girlfriends were trying to see what we can do with what we already have- before this video i didnt realize what goes into 'real' sleeping hammocks vs the cheapo double hammock i already have... i think ill find a way to bring my tent! and thanks for the idea for the plastic jugs, i just needed a base for something like the DIY fork bags from your other video- the blackburn cages are awesome but i couldnt justify paying more for each one than i have payed for all my bags combined so far.
another option, is how you pack.., If you have an old backpack, put some really light, fluffy things in it, and go without fork bags, until you can afford cages.
@@SaltyBeard_Adventures smart! i know people try to avoid backpacks when biking long distances, but i guess if i just put my clothes and stuff on my back, i can pack the heavy stuff down low on the bike
sometimes it's easy to forget how simple things needs to be to just get out there for an overnight trip... easy miles, minimal fuss, and major SMILES!
With a 12' hammock, 16' between trees is plenty.
This only leaves 2’ between hammock and tree, however I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 12’ hammock either. In my experience is not enough when dealing with a different sized rain flies. I could definitely go tighter if I didn’t use a rain fly. Spacing between trees is a flexible number as nature does not present us with perfect numbers. The take away is that is it better to go long than short, and that every set up is a little different. There is no “exact”.
The angle on hang is not as critical with hammocks that have fixed ridge-lines. The finger-thumb method, given that everyone’s finger and thumb are different length is only that ~ a rule of thumb. Which ironically would be 26-30 deg hang for most people’s hands (And a recommended method by most hammock instructions I have). I have used a wide variety of hammocks over many years, in some crazy situations and personally could not tell you the difference between 4deg of hang variance when using a proper camping hammock with a ridge-line.
@@SaltyBeard_Adventures actually more than 2' because if you are going for a 30° hang, the horizontal distance is ~10'5". I use a 12' hammock. You can actually get closer. If you have a 12' tarp, as close as 12', with a 12' hammock. Check out the ultimate hang for all the dirty details. I just remembered alot of my high school algebra trigonometry and applied it to my hammock camping.
Hanging a hammock should not be an exercise in "exact" trigonometry. I am assuming all your measurements are based on horizontal (a 12 ft hammock to me is 12ft along the ridgeline). So, a 12ft hammock in a 16ft spacing leaves 2ft on each side. HORIZONTAL. Your exactingness of an "ultimate hang" is almost negated when using a hammock with a fixed ridge-line. Shall we include mass into the equation? Do you calculate your ultimate hang weighted or unweighted? Do you know the elongation stretch ratio of your straps and line? Static or Dynamic? As this will alter your numbers if the person is 250lbs vs 90lbs. Your "perfect" mathematical hang isn't so perfect after they are in the hammock trying to sleep. The end of the day, it's about what provides a good sleep. My tips and tricks are what I have learned over many years of playing with hammocks in the woods (and sometimes, between power poles, fences, and rock gardens) May I ask how many nights you have slept in a hammock? Have you been in a hammock when the rain is blowing sideways and 4ft diameter trees are swaying about like willows in the wind?
Yeah. And then Bigfoot comes along. No thanks.
No different than a tent… I can get out of my hammock way faster than a tent if needed.