Dude, nobody needs the latest carbon fibre It's like a formula one car, if you're young and in peak fitness it might save you a few seconds that win you the race, and if it is in race trim, it'll be worn out as you cross the finish line Riding on those gravel tracks means - get the cheapest stuff that's adequate because you're going to wear it out really fast. So if you use rim brakes you need the cheapest wheel rims and learn how to build wheels. Similarly your drive train especially the chain will die fast, so getting top of the range things is just silly The bit where the rubber hits the road, go as expensive as you can afford, this applies to boots as well as tyres. Of course if you're clipped in you're carrying extra shoes, I'll never do that 🙂 Sleep wise I'm a new convert from thermarest to the non self inflating kind of mat. Careful though, there are some on the market that aren't even fit for purpose. I'd also avoid down sleeping bags, they're great for expeditions up Everest, but they aren't robust
Definitely less clothes. Clothes that you can wash in a sink and hang to dry overnight. When I first heard about “credit card touring” I thought what a great idea! A handlebar bag with a few tools and a change of clothes. Ride to a nearby town, check into a hotel, get a nice meal, hit a pub, ride home the next day. Great weekend without a lot of planning.
Realy one of the best Video on this topic. Instead of telling the most important must haves for the x millions time he just talks about things where it is good to have them in your mind going on a bike trip.
What I love about bike packing is the lack of planning. My wife and I set off in the morning with a vague idea of where we want to go but who knows what will happen, getting away from the commitments of normal life is just great.
Nice! I would like to do it like that eventually. With my crew and our various schedules we still tend to plan a lot(especially since our biggest trip is over 4th of July). It would be awesome KitKat to roll out and wing it though.
I used to plan Backpacking and Bikepacking trips to the nth degree. Once I started going with the philosphy of "I need to end at X location by Y date, and whatever happens in between is to be played by ear" I found I was having a ton more fun. Reasonable supply and safety needs accounted for, of course.
Going on 3 months of winging it now I have a vague idea of what I want to do but an actual route is not planned I just look for places to find water and food and safe space for camping and make it wherever I make it 😎
Thanks Tim, As a 75 year-old newbie who took his first bikepacking trip to the Camino del Norte in France/Spain and wiped out badly I gained a better understanding of the art and craft of bikepacking from your excellent presentation. I look forward to Camino de Santiago in '23. Thank you. Mike Gilmore
Sorry you wiped out but so rad that you are getting out there! We were just talking about whether we could somehow swing going to France for our next tour(July 2023). I’ve been to France once and I really want to ride there - maybe Provence. Time and money out my main issues as a freelancer!
Have you looked at the Portugal to Spain route? Mostly all coastal, not much climbing, and plenty of places to wild camp or towns to sleep in a normal bed. Haven't done the Northern Camino route, but maybe one day. Good luck in '23.
@@alphonzosolorzano5011 I have a friend just back from Portugal who loved it and I have a cycling buddy in Spain….that being said my girlfriend and I are Francophiles who have been trying to learn French. (And I want to catch a bit of the Tour).
@@TimFitzwater hey Tim! I just came across your channel through this vidéo and I have to say these are great tips! I’m just finishing my first ever bike trip which took me from Lyon to Barcelona, crossing Provence and Camargue and definitely recommend it! I followed the ViaRhona itinerary from Lyon which follows the Rhône river down to the Mediterranean sea. It’s a very easy, well-maintained and beautiful road! Plenty of signs, no need for GPS and many many camping sites used to have biketrippers. Feel free to PM me if you ever need, I’m french so I can help with all the cumbersome details (bikes on train etc…) :)
Fourth reason for tent-camping - because you actually love the whole experience. A major factor. I love being self-sustained, doing the whole camp-cooking thing, eating outdoors, enjoying the night stars, hearing the animal noises at night, and waking in a comfortable tent to a misty morning (or even sleeping nice and dry through a rain-storm). Camping with great gear that you know all works for you is the main thing.
I totally agree. I'm an urbanite who grew up camping, and I frickin' love the feeling of waking up in a tent. The only difficulty is finding people to go with who would chose camping too.
I've spent many nights in a tent, in all kind of conditions and places, including winter, but I've never liked the experience. The chore of pitching and taking down is time consuming and annoying at best, but I really hate it when it's raining. If you camp for a day it is ok, but when you do it for longer periods it adds up. Cooking and eating outdoors usually means eating tasteless and not very healthy food, but at least if you are very tired you don't care so much :) If the conditions are appropriate, I prefer to sleep with only the sleeping bag under the stars.
00:50 ... "just do you" .. Love it. Best advice ever. Was subconsciously struggling with that one for ages, thinking I was "cheating" or "doing it wrong." And that one tip just rang a bell in my head and blew all that away. Thank you 🙏 And yes, my holiday is a bike trip!
One suggestion for packing: Distribute weight in the fore, mid-ship, and aft sections. We loaded most gear in rear panniers for our first tour. I was fine, but my riding partner got the death shimmy on a fast descent. Unloaded, no shimmy; but with two big panniers on the back, she got shimmy at high speed. You don't want that. Almost lost control of the bike. Test your loaded bike on fast descents, with hands at the ready on your brakes in case the bike starts to wobble. If it does, you need a different weight distribution, or a different bike.
I had a lot of problems with that when I used to tour on an old Trek that wasn't made for it. I find my gravel and ATB bike like the weight towards the front. Old school touring bikes were often made for heavy rear loads with their long chain stays.... all depends on the bike really but trying to even the load is always a good start as you said.
I think the two main pros of a folding pad ate 1) theyre super cheap, and 2) they are impossible to break. Bonus points for being able to use them as chairs on a pit stop, or to lay on top of brambles.
@BA-ex7of i've never had a seal go out on an inflatable. They can also be patched multiple times. There's no reason you can't get 3+ years out of an inflatable pad.
@BA-ex7of Pad usually compress and tear quite fast if you use them frequently. Years ago I was using self inflatable mattress during one 9 month trip in which I camped about 160nights. It was quite heavy - about 900 grams if I remember well, and I did not manage do puncture it for these 160 nights despite that in a few occasions I have slept among cacti. I was just very careful when choosing a spot. However it really depends on the type and brand of mat. I had another inflatable mat, whose internal layers delaminated in a few weeks and I had a big big bump in the middle of it.
I love your first point, people tend to turn things into a competetion, even things they love such as bike packing or hiking. Do what you what and how you want to do it
Well said Tim! I have been doing extensive touring since 1987. And one of the things I tell everyone who asks and tries to brag about how minimalist and skimping it they are doing their tours, is ... Great! If you enjoy that go for it. Sometimes when the weather is good and I'm only going for a couple of weeks I might do the same. But ultimately I'm touring the way I want to tour. I just returned from B.C. to California (late January to mid February) and I stayed dry and comfortable the entire time. Of course there are no other (sane) people touring the west coast this time of year, but sometimes I camped and sometimes I stayed in a hotel, I did what I wanted. 🙂
Currently doing the Trans American Route. I ditched my blow up mattress (after it got a hole in it) for the accordion style sleeping mat. I love it since it takes 3 second to set up and take down and cuts down on the chores in the evening and the morning. It’s probably 75% as comfortable.
Good luck on the tour - hope you are having a blast! I've simply never had a hole in mine(yet) and only have time for four or five day tours - so blowing up a mat isn't a big deal. I definitely understand why the folding ones work better for you now.
It is true that inflating and deflating is annoying, but I've never been able to sleep well on a foam mat. I remember once I even had bruises on my hips from 5 consecutive days on sucha a mat. Comfort matters, especially on a long trip.
Ive been bikepacking since 1982 when it was called bike touring. Done 83 tours and on my 84th now. Ive toured/bikepacked every fall and spring since i was 26. In summer i work 3 months and in winter i go backpacking. Ill be 69 in January. I am currently touring on a Mongoose Dolomite ALX that I've had 3 years. I ride about 7k a year.
Great video, tons of good information. For me a tent is a must. If I’m cycling with one or two people we use a large 6 person tent and break up the tent. One person carries the tent, one carries the poles etc. If I’m by myself it’s a very small free standing tent. For sleep, I prefer my air mattress, the 3 inch thermal rest has become my favorite, as I got older, the extra padding is a must. I use a down sleeping bag liner because it’s weighs almost nothing and packs down to something the size of Pringle’s can and/or a fleece blanket. Clothes, less is more. You don’t need multiple days worth of outfits. Something to wear and something to wash pretty much covers it. Dress for comfort only bring the clothes your going to need, for the weather your going to encounter. Some kind of rain gear is a must. Every repair kit should have a pair of tubes and at least one folding tire if your going on a longer trip, a patch kit, tire levers, a multi tool with chain breaker a knife and small roll of electrical tape, It has its uses. If your going off the beaten path, bring spare spokes. I use put spare spokes in a plastic tube with sealed ends and zip tie it to the one of the rear wear stays. Or just tape a few spokes to the stay. Something to do basic cleaning with, and chain lube. Another essential a first aid kit. A few bandaids, a small roll 1 1/2 inch gauge, a few 4x4 nonstick gauge pads with a small 3, 4 oz bottle of Peroxide and small tube of antibiotic cream with fix most miner injuries on the road. Also nice to have something like Tylenol or ibuprofen for aches and pains. After that pretty much everything you said in the video. I would add have a cell, at least $20 cash with you, at least one credit card some form of ID.
I think I'm pretty much on the same page with all of this except I've never carried extra spokes - not because I shouldn't but just because I haven't thought about it. Same with the first aid kit - something we need to start doing. Awesome tips all around - I hope others check out this comment - I'll pin it to the top.
@@TimFitzwater thanks for the reply, something I forgot about, a length of parachute cord, I think 50 feet was what I cared, doesn’t have to be very thick. It weighs almost nothing and can be stuffed wherever you have space. But it comes in handy, if for no other reason a drying line for wet clothes and gear. We also packed MREs for food. There light, easy to make and taste pretty good. If you going off the grid, outback trial riding, where fresh water could be problem, a water purification system is nice to have as well. It’s just a little insurance that doesn’t weigh much and can be easily packed. Now you can get water bottles with the filters built right into them.
tents suck, but a necessity if you're going someplace without any trees. or where hammocks aren't allowed. and paracord is the worst. get some dyneema cord, much stronger, lighter, much more useful. there's several varieties on the market. I second the carrying of spare spokes... remember you need multiple sizes if you have an offset hub on the rear wheel. worry about going light but DON'T worry about going light... REMEMBER YOU'RE NOT RACING THE DAMN THING, you're touring! your legs will get used to the extra weight. that said you're still going to want less weight on the climbs if you're going over mountains, but pack for comfort... like he says in the video if you're on a vacation you want to enjoy it, not suffer the whole way, but there is still a balance between too much and not enough.
@@better.better when you get a little older you’ll find that hammock is not your friend. Dyneema rope vs Paracord, I find paracord easier to use. Plus it’s cheaper and easier to replace, paracord can be found almost anywhere, dyneema not so much. Plus your more likely to cut paracord to the size you need because it’s cheaper and easily replaced. They each have there uses and place, it mostly personal preference. For general use, I find paracord more useful. But if you prefer dyneema, go for it. Weight management on bike is important, less is generally better. Rule of thumb, if your don’t need it, don’t carry it. As for the spokes, good you pointed out to carry all the sizes you need, I just assumed anyone caring spokes would know to care few in both sizes, my bad.
@@better.better I’m simply all about the tent. I’m willing to try a hammock just to have the knowledge but can’t image giving up on the comfort of a shelter in bad weather…. Light as I can but with the gear that I want…. 😎
i take both inflatable and foldable sleeping pads. 1) inflatable is soft and foldable is firm makes for best sleep. 2) gaurantees if air leaks or stretches or if i shift around a lot, i never touch the ground. 3) foldable is quick to depoloy so i can use it for lunch seat or sunbathing when not specifically at the tent. 4) backup pad as closed cell foam never breaks i recommend the nemo over the thermarest since it packs tighter together
In my experience the folding sleeping pads, like a z-lite, are for added insulation and comfort. When it's cold it's nice to have the foam layer between your inflatable pad and the ground. It really helps keep you warm and a bit more comfortable. They also have a couple fun benefits, like being a fun raft/"floaty", or giving you a comfortable place to be closer to the ground, for yoga, stretching or quick naps.
I too have the Z-lite folding foam pad that I use for under my air mattress. Yes, it does add a barrier of warmth, comfort and protection for your air mattress and you. It doesn't really weigh anything and folds up nicely that can be tied to the top of your panniers. I personally feel that it is a difference maker in having a good night's sleep. It adds to the overall R-value in cold weather too. Separating you from the cold ground, which most people don't think about enough.
I do agree with all being said. The Z-Lite to me is just an additional layer to increase the warmth, I used it only when I’ve been wildcamping around 0 or less degrees. But I know one advantage that you can takenis that it’s robust. The inflatables are compact and light but if you do need something very robust and reliable one may use the foldable, it’s still light tho.
The reliability of the non-inflatable mat is huge. Waking up on the cold ground repeatedly due to a hole that you cant even find is a feature that disqualifies air mattresses for me.
the advantage of the affordable roll or foldable sleeping mats is 1. They're cheap and 2. They insulate you from the cold coming up from the ground. If you're planning to camp in temperate/colder climates with just above zero temperatures at night, you need this insulation. If you don't have much money, they're a great way to be able to get out on a tour and camp.
As an old man, I don't find either alternative ideal, but inflatables are awful for deflating - all of them, in my experience - and sucking heat out of you on cold nights. The solid ones are much more dependable, though they are bulky and don't offer much real padding. When I was younger all this was less crucial. Now that I'm old, I can't be sleeping on the rocks and roots. A decent bed is now a medical necessity.
Affordability is important. Two additional points to add to this thread: 1) for sub-zero temperatures, a foldable foam mat can both boost the insulation of an inflatable mat, but also be vital in an overnight emergency if that mat gets punctured; 2) low volume inflatable mats, e.g. £30 summer ones, tend to deflate overnight as the temperature drops and the limited amount of air inside drops in pressure just enough to lose a centimetre or two in mat thickness. However, in my experience, the thicker mats, e.g. 7 cm, do not tend to exhibit this problem. I use an insulated mat by Mountain Equipment, which is actually produced by Exped, I believe.
The best way to do it! I’ve been so busy but I’m looking forward to digging into your whole series. Told me crew we should binge them on a rainy night.
Great advice for newbies and experienced folks. I complete 18 long distance rides over 20 years plus few shorter ones as I got older. I completed several 500 mile, several 1,000 mile and one coast to coast in 47 days. As a teacher I had summers off and not a lot of money so bike touring was perfect. Over the years I slowly learned how to pack a recommend people try to limit their bagage to about 25 lbs.
A very old "survival" thing was hard candies. Mothers in pre-car days would sometimes go as far as sewing them into inner pockets of a child's clothes so the kid would have something high-calorie if they got lost in the woods for a few days. (Granted more kids had little pocketknives back then to cut the stitches)
Love your comment about going on a beach holiday. It's also those people that say you have to drink whisky straight (my preference is a tiny drop of water, but I'm not saying that is right). It's how you appreciate these things best that counts. Stopping at a brewery or local festival sounds very sensible. Thanks for your content.
2:57 Would like to reiterate this point The comfort of sitting up inside your tent when you are exhausted from touring is invaluable additionally a bivvy sack/tent is misery in humid climates, you wake up with condensation right in your face instead of ventilated on wider tent walls
On my last trip I ended up changing into a gear that didn't exist, took me about an hour to get the chain out from in between the wheel and gear. Snapped 2 spokes and buckled the wheel. Took me about 4 hours to limp to a shop. Then ended up racing to catch up the delay. Rough tough day. But totally fun.
I don't know if it would have helped in your situation, but the 'parcel hook' tool available on some Swiss Army Knives is fantastic for grabbing a stuck chain (also great for remounting a chain if it falls off the smallest cog on the cassette, without getting oil on your hands).
In answer to your request; if anyone out there uses the concertina folding sleeping pads, as shown, please explain why! Okay here we go. Firstly I haven’t bike camped but will this winter, (I’m in Australia, winter where I am is best for me). I hike historically. I’ve used inflatable and lightweight camp cots. If the ground isn’t rocky the folding pad is better for me, and many others, because: 1. It is simple. Can’t deflate. No time to put air in or air out. 2. They double as a seat. Very warm and comfortable. 3. If crossing water courses they offer extremely good flotation. 4. Durable long lasting and suffer damage, animal or human, with basically zero loss of function. 5. You don’t need a puncture repair kit. 6. Can be used, in part or full, as a very kind and comfortable splint. 7. Lasting my pet hate the the most frustrating thing if if about an inflatable pad, is that because they are narrow I ALWAYS roll off. Or I’m half awake trying to not roll off. With the low pad this is a non issue. Mine is cut down, took a few sections off, to make it less bulky. I don’t need it below my knees 🤷♂️. If the ground is going to be rocky and or very wet I would prefer to carry more weight and bring my camp cot, and also use the pad onto of it, than use an inflatable pad. And I don’t hate pads. Many good models on the market now. Yeah there’s basically no padding 😬😂. You need to be okay with that. I am because I transitioned, for several reasons, living in China, where a fancy concrete slab with a blanket over top is considered a bed, for 13 years not least among them. My advice is don’t go cold turkey. Start at home with your non inflatable pad on soft carpet, and other layers if needed. Once you have conditioned yourself to sleeping on a hard surface go outdoors with it.
Jam-packed with common sense tips Tim, thanks so much for pulling this together; I especially liked the non-judgemental way you spoke about 'credit card bike-packing' - you do you indeed! I'm very new to all of this but will add something important about water, clean sources of which are not always where you need them. I'd say tip one is to carry a water filter device like a Sawyer - doesn't weigh much and can save you. Tip two (here in the UK at least) is that "every churchyard has a tap/faucet". This isn't strictly true but a good rule of thumb - people tending graves want water for the flowers. Right, I've only just found your channel so I'm off to watch some more - and yes, I've subbed!
Thanks! Good advice on the water filter. I don’t know why no one in our group has one yet. On the C&O Trail I saw a guy filtering the well water and thought it was a great idea. It seems we don’t have as many fresh water options in the US as I’ve seen in Europe - I hate buying bottled water but end up doing it anyways. Thanks so much for checking out the channel!
I did PA to alabama with absolutely no funds and minimal equipment. I used a tarp and hammock to stay dry and comfortable. I started on a huffy from the 90s. Having all your sleeping gear on long tours is paramount.
Good vid! I switched to a quilt last year and love it. I move around a fair amount and the quilt provides freedom to do so. I also like that I can uncover my feet which helps regulate body temp. The quilt I have has various setup options for when temps drop. I use an inflatable pillow also and what I started doing was to put a buff on the pillow. After a sweaty day of riding the buff helps protect the pillow from the grime. After the tour or during the tour you wash it. Like in the hiking world, "hike your own hike" ... same goes in the biking world, "ride your own ride".
A few people have suggested covering the pillow, t-shirts, buffs, small pillow cases - don't know why I never thought of that!? A company is actually sending me a $70 down quilt that they claim is comparable to the expensive Rumpl - will be interesting to see what it is like. Ride you own ride - 100% !!
The advantages for the folding sleeping mat are durability, as you mentioned, and they can be used as a sitting pad. If you are going into the woods or roughing it having a sitting pad to put on the rock or tree stump you will sit on is a luxury.
Ah - I’ve also been told they actually insulate better. I carry a fold up camp chair (my back needs support) so I guess I hadn’t thought of the sitting situation.
@@TimFitzwater Non-insulated pads have an R-value of 1.0, suitable for nights down to mid-40's at best for my comfort level. Foam pads are about 2.0, suitable down to roughly freezing (snow also insulates, so placing them over packed snow under your tent can be surprisingly OK). Insulated air pads can get up to an R-value of 7, suitable for wicked cold conditions. Insulation is additive, so an air pad with an R-value of say 3 can be placed over a foam pad for cold snow camping, giving both good insulation and fall back durability that will keep you at lease alive if the air pad fails.
Not an expert in this matter, but here is my opinion. Air is a very good insulator. In fact, foam materials are good insulators because they have air bubles trapped inside. An inflatable mat that raises you enough from the ground is very good for insulation and confort. I usually carry a folding foam mat (thermarest Z lite) for puncture protection and an inflatable mat for comfort. I think this combination is overkill and I'm going to test only with the inflatable mat because I want to carry less volume. Many foam mats have a reflective side (like an emergency blanket) to reflect back your own heat. You can use one side or the other if you are hot/cold.
A lot of it is personal preference. Personally, I like a little more pad, a little more give in my pad, it’s why I prefer a Thermarest pad, just don’t forget the repair kit- Stuff happens. (And I’ve seen plenty of foam pads duct taped back together as well, where these a will there’s away) 😂A thermarest is also just a bit nicer for early and late season camping when the sleeping hours tend to be cooler. Having something easy to sit on, that is an advantage of the foam pad. Depending how you pack that foam pad, it could be at ready anytime you need it. Where as a thermarest, that’s going to stay packed until you at base camp. I’ve heard the debate which is better for years, it really depends on preference. As I’ve gotten older, more pad is a must.
I love a foldable sleeping pad because its cheap, doesn't puncture and it's fast to access for a mid day siesta or for sitting on when camping, you even have space for your friends!
Here is a detailed answer about dogs. I wrote it on another thread for a person planning a transcon on a recumbent. As for dogs on tour, I have had many experiences with them. Some cyclists might carry pepper spray, which I have done but never used. I saw another advise carrying a water pistol containing a mixture of water and ammonia; this I have never done. The fact is that dogs can be an occasional annoyance or hassle or whatever, but by and large they are not a real danger unless one comes charging at you from out of nowhere, startling you, and causing you to involuntarily swerve out into traffic. It happens. There is something about the movement of cycling that sets dogs off into a headstrong frenzy of barking and chasing. I mean, you come along, and there is some dog in a yard. It has been lolling around all day perhaps. It catches sight of you going by on your bike, and it immediately goes nuts. It starts barking, snarling, yelping, and growling, and chasing you at high speed and going for your heels with all its might. I have seen dogs go absolutely bananas at the sight of me cycling, even if I was two hundred feet away from them. I have seen them come charging out at me, stopped only by a fence around the property. They would follow all along the fence line to the end, and then go ape trying to jump over the fence or tunnel under it. This kind of reaction comes from dogs of all sizes from the largest dogs to even those little Mexican Chihuahuas. That is no kidding. I was cycling through some town. Somebody was carrying one of those little Mexican dogs. It saw me. It went crazy trying to jump from its owners arms and chase along. I have worked out a manner of dealing with dogs. In spite of all the noise and chases not one dog has ever actually bitten me. However, they do seem to be fond of going for the feet, and some have come close to biting. First, slow down a bit, look at the dog and yell out a loud, sharp report, and when I say loud and sharp that is what is meant; something like you might expect to hear from a marine corps drill sargeant. You might have to yell a number of times. The yelling will bring some dogs to a halt. Some will stop temporarily and continue, and slow down or halt every time you yell. Just yell out hut or ha loud, sharp, and clear. If that does not dissuade the cur from pursuing his pleasure or whatever it is he gets out of the chase, come to a dead stop and give him the yell. He will stop. He may turn around and take off. He may tarry a while and snip and growl. He may come close, but my experience is the actual attack will not happen. I have cycled 34,000 miles through 19 countries, and six or more times across the USA, so I know of what I speak. I have always ridden an upright touring bike, therefore, having a dog running along and chasing at my heels is a different matter from riding a recumbent with the animal more nearly at the vital parts such as torso, head, and throat. My general advice is this. If you are concerned, do what I have told you, and carry a water pistol with water and ammonia in it, if legal to do so, or a very good pepper spray, not one of those little key chain things, but a canister with a real fog or large volume spray that comes out, but do not use it as a first response. If you yell and stop and yell, the dog will stop his pursuit. In other words, do not run and it will not chase. Often, as you are stopped at the roadside waiting for the animal to lose interest, its owner will come out and call it back, and it trots on home. If you stop and it stops and loses interest, it might head back to its territory on its own, but if you take off it will turn around and continue chasing. Dogs, for the most part, are a temporary nuisance, but not a real serious danger. However, I am sure cyclists have been actually attacked, and perhaps even injured. When stopped, the hound may come close, but will not actually sink its teeth into your hide. If it is particularly vicious or mean, give him a whiff of the pepper spray or whatever, but I have never found that to be necessary. If you get off the bike and walk a ways, which you would not or might not be able to do, it could lose interest; get back on and cycle away, and it will pick up where it left off, or just go home. Try not to let a dog catch you by surprise in close quarters. That happened to me once, and I tipped over injuring my ankle. It was at night on a quiet, placid road. A very large dog came charging aggressively from out of the bushes near the side of the road. All of a sudden I heard this very loud barking and snarling, and saw a blur out of the corner of my eye. In an attempt to stop, dismount immediately, and get the bike between myself and the attacking dog, I forgot my feet were strapped into the pedals, and tried to get off on the right of the bike, I fell over and twisted my ankle. Well, at least I fell over away from the dog and not toward it. After all that the dog just stood there looking at me, and turned around and left. It was one of the larger breeds of dog, and I am sure it would not have harmed me, but it caught me completely unexpected, and I reacted unthinking with a start. There was no time to think through what to do. The subconscious mind told me I was under attack and needed to respond, and I did. You might have dog problems in some areas at times, and no dog problems whatsoever in other places. In 1984 in winter along highway 90 in Florida free ranging dogs were all over the place, and I might add, were often seen dead along the roadside after having been slammed by motor vehicles. In 2007 I cycled 90, and there was not the first problem with the first dog; very different from 1984. In countrified areas dog owners may be more disposed to letting their dogs roam free. Some may be fenced in, but have some little tunnel dug out under the fence in some bush-covered corner. They actually seem to be smart enough to try and cover or hide their tunnels. Anyway, that is about all I can tell you. If you go into Eastern Europe, you may find canines of a very different stripe; very different from the friendly domesticated kind we are used to in the USA. As for some of those dogs I encountered in eastern Europe, nothing short of a firearm would save you. Some of those would run you to earth and kill you and eat you. I had never seen anything even remotely as vicious as those, and have not seen anything like it since. If there is any such thing as a homicidal, insane, psychotic, murderous, savage dog, those dogs were it. Thank God for chain link fences. They must have been raised to be that way.
I love this channel. It’s good advice based on experience, but most of the advice is “go get some experience”. I’m also a photographer, I used a cyclocross bike as my “camera bike” for a few years and I found out the same things - loaded bikes are different. Now I’m building up my touring rig, taking day trips and learning a lot. The funny thing is that I work at a bike shop and I’m the touring guy there. I know all about the racks and panniers, but only experience teaches you the zillion other details that make up loaded touring.
Thanks! Yeah - nothing makes up for experience. Our local shop owner definitely leans on us for some of our knowledge of actually touring. Just like you said - he knows how to fit every rack and what works with what - but not packing too much is a learned experience. I love hearing from other photographers as well - it adds a different element to what we pack and the way we think on the bike.
Biking really is best for photography. In a car you need to keep your eyes more on the road and see less. You can stop your bike on a dime and go off the beaten trail. Walking is also good but you can get very far very fast to get to the best locations..
I've always used one of my panniers as a pillow. I pack clothes in one side rear, food in the other. "Kitchen" and tools in the front bags (oldskool english 4 bag rig) and I have always used either karimor-style bags or, lately, the chinese rockbros ortleib clones, so the outside face of the bag, with a fleecy jacket over it and the laundry bag remived to reduce the height, makes a great pillow.
The advantages of foam pads over inflatables is price, durability, ease of deployment, and versatility. I think the first two points are pretty self explanatory. Ease of deployment comes into play for me, primarily when choosing to use my pad as a dry and/or comfortable place to quickly sit down, lounge, or nap during the day. Some people don't like the hassle of blowing up inflatables at the end of the day. As for versatility, foam pads make quicker and easier spots to sit and eat lunch than inflatables. They work as a pretty good fan to help get your campfire going. Foam pads work better as wind screens for cooking. As you note, foam pads can be used to provide structure and back padding for backpacks. I've also used pieces of foam cut off the end or corners of my pad for various reasons including cushioning a sore spot on my body from sandal straps, waist belt straps etc, or pressure points from shoes a time or two. Finally, although I've not used them for this myself, I have been trained to use foam pads rolled up as splints or splint padding in emergency situations. To be fair, you can also use inflatables as splints to some degree. Finally, if you're a back sleeper, foam pads are likely all you need to be comfortable. Since I'm a side sleeper, I vastly prefer inflatable pads, although I often carry a short inflatable with another short foam pad that combined make a full length pad with most of the versatility and comfort of both for similar combined weight and volume.
@@tomsitzman3952 At times I double-up my accordion pad just above my hip and below my shoulder to reduce pressure on those points with some notable success.
I don't find the price of similar quality pads to be that different. You can also buy inflatable pads for next to nothing on Amazon and the like. I can see "the ease of deployment argument" but that couldn't outweigh the space savings for me. The other uses you mention can make sense but are also pretty niche. From everyone's comments on this so far the only true advantage that I've heard is for insulation - the foldable pads keep you warm from the ground if you bike pack in cooler weather. Still - to each their own - gotta use what works best for you!(even though my mind has yet to be changed) 😎
Excellent response Nelson, I have been intrigued w/ foldup pad. Last Amazon overrated lightweight blowup failed on its first real trip (not a an easy repair place). I can see a foldup (even @ 24") fit nicely on rear rack, over reach would work as rear fender that is greatly needed on CO Trail (Tim failed to mention & bug spray!). Sitting is underrated - you always think there will be a log/rock available, but seldom is and never in right place or covered in poison ivy.
Totally agree with choosing a bike based on fun and gear handling over speed. I took my stupid heavy long tail cargo bike on a couple trips, and it was awesome to have a camp chair, and other creature comforts. It was also nice to just thunder confidently over terrain on a bike that handles the weight so well without getting squirrely. It was a real SOB on hills, but it was memorably more fun than some trips where I took my carbon framed bike that while lighter, carries much less and has a front end that gets the death wobble if I put too much in the front roll. Regarding gear, start with what you own or can borrow first. A few trips will quickly educate you on what works and what doesn't before you go and blow a lot of cash on the lightest/best and possibly wrong gear that may just end up in the back of the Closet of Shame. Showing up at REI the night before your first trip with a credit card burning a hole in your pocket is a recipe for trouble.
Surly Big Dummy or Big Fat Dummy? I love my BFD I've got the 29s on right now because of the parts shortage but I'm seriously missing my 26x5s I can roll up sand dunes with those things
After a few years of serious health issues I plan to get back to camping and hopefully biking this year... the best advice he gave do it your way, if you are young go for mileage all you want... if I went 15 miles and just hung out and camped at this point it would be Awesome, unlike 30 miles hiking or a hundred miles Biking like when I was a kid. Oh, I am not sleeping on the ground, I prefer the hammock and not struggling to get up... but you do you. I have an elderly friend that sleeps in their car for the Sunrise...
The overpacking thing is so true - many many years ago, when I was 17, I rode from Boston to LA. Among the dumb things I brought (this is not a complete list): jeans, a heavy cotton hooded sweatshirt, a Maglite flashlight that required two ‘D’ batteries, I think 3 pairs of bike shorts and jerseys, a full size crescent wrench, etc etc etc. Still had a great time, but after getting into backpacking I realized how little I actually needed to carry and it’s so much more pleasant to have less weight to drag up the hills.
I am coming in from a different angle; late in life to bikes but fifty years of backpacking. I love UL biking-hiking-camping but a no shame in motels and flush toilets. Recent convert to quilts in summer heat, woodlands or desert. I am in the mountain west and and western edge of the Northern Plains, so at my daily pace, it can be two days between stores or even roadhouses. Three plus to brew pubs. Salads are few too. Yes to tents, no to bivy sacks unless it is just an overnight. Many of the new tent models of hiking tents for bikes come with extra fabric and features that add a lot of grams.
I plan on doing a one way, 200 mile trek late this year. I'm going to start over in a whole new place, and I'm not coming back to this crappy town. Your tips will come in handy! Thanks!
You have the right idea of stopping off for doing different things along the way, because it's the adventure of doing different things that make it an exciting experience. ✌❤🙂
Hi Tim, just stumbled across your channel while looking for thoughts on my next bikepacking tent. What a beautiful distillation of knowledge into an honestly presented video! I've been backpacking and bikepacking for over 35 years across thousands of miles in the UK and Europe and everything you mentioned rings so true. Brilliant!
My personal last discovery is a hanging mat with self supporting bug net and so called emergency blankets. I just set it up on the ground and put the emergency blanket over it. The emergency blanket provides good blacking out, that is quite relevant for a good night sleep. This setup packs in to something that a slightly oversized backpack can handle. This way I can even go touring on my regular road bike.
Most of us hobby campers have always done the same thing: bought the cheap, heavy stuff because the expensive stuff just seemed such a rip-off. Then slowly we get to see the value and buy upgrade after upgrade until we have a mountain of cheap crappy gear stashed somewhere :) Just buy once and buy quality, its a false economy to do otherwise. The really great piece of advice here is to get a room for something like 1 night out of 3/4. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
i will test my poncho quilt and hammack. I tried bivy bag and that was too warm(summer in southern europe) and now i am also quite sure i need to bring mosquito net with me just in case as bivy should have been emergency but i had to use it alwys to protect myself against mosquitos. thats where tents are much better value.. i still dont have a decent bikepacking tent but one day...
So many excellent point made in this video. Two things I would add:- 1) Pillows - Why carry the weight? You've got a bundle of clothes and other soft things. Stuff them inside a t-shirt, or whatever, or even into a pillow-case. 2) Navigation. Bike computer Vs Phone. Get Osmand onto your Android phone. It's a bit geeky but when you've invested a little time learning how to get the best out of it you'll find it beats the pants off any other sat-nav system or route planner. AND it works offline - Great when there's no phone signal. Plus the maps are incredibly detailed, searchable, customisable, ..., ..., - I could go on. If you're sceptical, start with the free version.
I believe you - but I’m a computer guy. I like to put my phone away when I’m riding on vacation. $300 simple and small Wahoo - I don’t want my expensive and annoying phone on my bars.
Your opening comments about doing your setup and vacation your way- because its yours- Hands down so good advice. Its too easy to get lost in thinking about the way it should be in an onlookers eyes. Great advice! I didnt know there were bikepacking specific tents! (Ive taken a liking to the rei passage 1 tent for simplicity…🤷♂️ What a packed video full of great wisdom. Love it:)
Thanks - yeah - doing what you want to do is the main thing! Don’t worry about the trends. Yeah - the bike packing specific gear is definitely newer - but lots of other stuff out there that works. Thanks for stopping by!
1. Absolutely, camp like you wanna 2. Foam pads are good for two reasons: Don’t pop / easy to clean. If you wanna sit on one (or sleep) by the fire, i recommend foam. Oh and they’re cheap. 3. Pillows, i saw a review of an inflatable pillow with a foam top bit - looks super nice. 4. I use a lot of cheap tents ($35 tents - one has about 100 trips over 15 years on it). They work great for me. I don’t do long backpacking trips with them as they’re heavy though. 5. On bikes - yes, cheap but reliable bikes are the best so long as they’re comfortable. 6. Minimal - YES. Great video. I need another trip and I probably need a chain tool. Thanks
Awesome - thanks! I'm heading out this weekend for the first trip of the year. I am going to have a partial new set up for longer and rougher terrained trips this year - excited t build that out and share it.
Just to say thank you for a really great and informative video. I have just returned from France bike packing and I think you hit the mark on all the important stuff. I overpacked on some things and then forgot certain essentials like underpants!!!!! Thank god for my spare cycle shorts. Wild camping was great and saved a bunch but the odd night in an hotel is a luxury well worth it. I also agree with time and other cyclists mentality. I think you are touring and not racing so stop and enjoy everything. It's about the journey and not the destination. I tried liquid gels and didn't bonk but I am sure food is just as good. It was really hot on one day so we did only twenty miles and stopped before midday. In addition we took the train when it suited. I don't have an issue with this because you are on holiday and there are no prizes for spending days of your holiday cycling in unappealing urban environment. My philosophy is to keep it simple, have a great holiday and make new friends. I wish you well.
I like the foldable sleeping mat for the simplicity. Fold out and done. Also you can use it to sit on when in the tent, just lifts your but off the ground so you sit straight. You can also pop it out in the middle of the day to sit on or lie down and have a nap. In colder months i use both.
I guess I carry camp chairs so the sitting thing doesn't really matter to me - and to be honest I don't mind blowing up a pad either - but I don't roll into camp super late and jump right into bed anyways. I get it if super challenging trips are your thing and all energy needs to be conserved.
I should look into switching from using a sleeping bag to a quilt. I use a sleeping bag, wool blanket, sometimes an over sheet, and carry a bivy bag. I like using an inflatable sleeping pad with some foam to it. I've learned to cover my bike with a tarp while I sleep to protect it from rain and so the sun doesn't pop the tires. An extra set of tubes and lots of patch kits. I like to go an 2 week long trips, around 140 miles round trip, up into the foot hills of the mountains in Oregon. My highest elevation is about 4,000 feet.
This is great advice Tim. I think pre-loading (eating before you bonk) is so important but easily overlooked. Also- as you say the point of cycle touring is to ENJOY YOURSELF- so allowing lots of time for things along the way and don't get attached to the mileage (I had to lean this the hard way). Always buy quality gear- you will never regret it- my down sleeping bag s now 35 years old and still perfect for my needs....
I really enjoyed your video you brought up a lot of very good points. I am an outdoor enthusiast, high quality gear is always worth the investment if you use it. Inow shy away from ultralight gear as it can be too fragile I prefer something that will last yet it's still light. I prefer tarp camping as I like the openness. Bugs in the southwest aren't too much of an issue.
The refinement process is both rewarding and revealing. I’ve found: Organise your panniers well and balance them on the bike. You don’t need so much stuff! Tent that goes up quickly. Decent sleep mat. One pot cooking and a mug you can heat stuff up in. I’d like a Helinox-type chair too. Low gearing. That’ll do from me!
Great video! I use the fold up non inflatable sleeping pad and I would say the main benefit is actually better heat retention in winter as opposed to an inflatable pad. That's my experiences ence anyway
I don't know is it really warmer than the top end Therma Rest though theyre R 7 I believe much more comfortable than those egg crates maybe not as quiet though & a bit more packing time
Sleep systems dependent upon situation. Inflatable mattress for short tent sleeps. Punctures suck on long hikes. Lately short or long trips whether it be hike, bike or canoe, it's been all about the hammock. The fold mattress advantages are thus: 1. fits and works well in (my) hammock. 2. One side (usually silver) signal reflectivity. 3. Wind shield for (cook) stove. Buy a long one and cut off three panels for a sit pad. Just some of the uses I have found!
Thanks Tim some great advice there. Your point about you can tour on any bike is so true. If only I had thought about that before I had a Roberts Tourer made for me over here in the UK. I have never really justified the amount I paid for it but its definitely a nice to have bike. Stay safe out there.
I’m glad you liked it! There is definitely nothing wrong with having a nice bike - I just don’t want people to think they have to break the bank to get out there. Cheers!
Great tips! I'll add that having a phone holder on your bars just in case you want to navigate off the planned route - to hit a restaurant a stranger told you about, navigate a detour due to closed road/path, shorten the route for whatever reason. I don't keep the phone in the holder at all times - just pull it out when it could be helpful. (Personally, I'm looking forward to the day when we can revise our routes on the fly with our computers!)
Thanks! With the Wahoo I will now use the app to "route to place" - which has worked pretty well for me so far. It does reroute too when you make wrong turns. ....but definitely still need to use the phone and Google sometimes.
Zlite- foam cell mattresses are not warmer generally.. where they give you an advantage is being able to use them throughout the day when sitting or laying down taking a beak - Because they are big you generally keep them on the outside of your pack or somewhere on your bike and when you’re ready for a break you take unfold it and wallah you have a great place to lay or sit -- I have hiked the PCT twice and the CDT once -. 90 percent of hikers have a blow up pad for its comfort and warmth and most also carry some form and size of a foam pad to use as a sit pad --foam pads are generally 14 little rectangles I generally cut mine down to 4-5 pieces to use as my sit pad durning breaks -- Edit a word -
I can definitely say, I'd ride with you.. I love historical stuff and going out exploring to see new things and places. But that's what bike packing is all about, aside from roughing it while camping.
Love your content Tim. It’s like old school college radio bigging up new bands except it’s all about low key bike touring/commuting etc…. Ya touched on some key topics that most folks ask me about when I’m on trips or when talking at work about trips. I will say, the food intake is one of my fav parts of riding. We burn so many damn calories having fun, most can’t wrap their head around mileage to calories intake. Don’t need to count mileage/calories… just binge on your fav snacks! What other activities allow such gluttony! 😂
Thanks - yeah - was a punk rocker and skateboarder so I think that still informs my shooting style! So true - I was telling my parents after the last tour - its so nice to be on this kind of vacation because you can eat whatever you want with no guilt. (they are big on laying around the beach vacations).
My reason 4 for camping: sleep better! On small campsites, I tend to sleep really well. Bigger ones are more of a problem because there will always be noisy folks somewhere, so I avoid big campsites. But man, small sites compared to hotels... I rarely sleep well in a hotel. They're expensive, often noisy and at the end of the day it's just a room without much of a view mostly. Not saying there aren't good hotels anywhere (I can think of two I've been to)... but if you're traveling through, chances are you'll pay lots and sleep little. Plus, you probably arrive late and aren't even using the room for the day time that you're also paying for. I find the airmats are terrible insulators - even if they're supposed to be good and have a higher R value - so that's what a closed foam mat is for. Really helps keep you warm if you get cold more easily. But airmats are comfi, so I use both at once. If that's not enough, a fleece blanket really helps to put under you too (plus it weighs nothing and you can usually buy it last minute in any town for just 5 bucks). Some folks get cold more easily 👋🤷♀(from what I've read, that tends to be true for many women, plus when your hips (side sleeping) or butt (back sleeping) hit the ground through the airmat, that means zero insulation in those spots and the cold will seep through there.) Most of the cold comes from the ground, so getting that part right is important. So my budget sleeping tip would be: don't bother paying for an expensive airmat. Just get a cheap yet comfi one without (much) insulation (they pack down small and weigh less), then use a foam mat for warmth underneath. Unless you don't get cold easily or have a bodyshape that's basically a plank. Yes, the foam mats are bigger, but they are very light. I just stick mine at the side of my luggage on the back.
Good tips. I would have to say all my friends who bought the cheaper air mats have had them spring leaks - my more expensive brand name one has never failed me. I haven't done bikepacking in cold weather so have yet to need a foam style pad....
All my touring/Bikepacking has been in and around the Rocky Mountains and Deserts of the West. Touring looks very different in the east. I'm interested in it. I once carried 9L of water across the Pony Express in Utah/NV as there were no other options. Also have to carry more food as stops for provisioning are non--existent in some parts of the West. But the views are all worth it.
Closed cell foam pad advantages: much cheaper, can’t go flat, lighter, can be strapped outside of your bags instead of in them which can free up storage space inside your bags (even though they are much bulkier), and quick to deploy to sit or lay on during breaks.
Finally!!! Great practical information 👏. Thank you. I have a very good quilt 0° rated. So much better than a sleeping bag. I also have a very good sleeping inflatable mattress. Both quilt and mattress is top quality and lightweight packs down small too. I believe in not cheaping out on gear. The good equipment has been tested and tried and true. I took my time buying all my gear (4 years) buying things as I researched and them and saved to buy the top equipment gear. I also believe in being comfortable while camping. No weight weenie here. I need help with food... Don't want to carry too much food but need to have the proper food for constant energy. Mileage... whatever! Not important to me regarding how many miles per day. I've read too many bicycle tourist who pushed too hard and eventually it caught up with them; not just physically but mentally as well. I'm fine with riding each day until I start feeling drained; also weather plays a big role in distance. Fighting a cross headwind all day is no fun. Having a tailwind pushing you all day is great. Too hot is no fun and can be dangerous if ignored. Cold isn't bad as long as you have all proper gear...layers and wool base layer. I also don't ride at a fast pace. I tend to have to fight my tendencies to start doing it though. Even riding at 7.5 mph average is still a good distance for 5-6 hours of riding. It's the Ol Tortoise and the Hair scenario. You'll last longer conserving your energy. And enjoy more of your tour. Food is a difficult topic, because not every place has a large assortment of foods that is every 40 miles apart from one another. Especially in the western part of the US. What's some good staple basic foods that are easy to either cook or make right away? Thanks for your video.
Awesome - interesting and all good points. It seems you have most of what works for you figured out! As mentioned we do eat out a fair bit but that is because of where we tour in the midwest and east. I find the backpacking, dehydrated food is the best for space, calories and ease. We always each carry a few with us. Then its just a matter of your snack preferences - which for me is usually dried figs and peanut M&Ms. My friends all tend to carry stroup waffles and maple syrup from Untapped. We usually get our camp meals at REI or order through our local bike shop. Any good camping/outdoor store should have a good selection.
If you are a meat eater Sardines/Tuna and Sausages are great. I always have Tortillas, Peanut Butter, Apples, Oatmeal, Carrots. Miso paste is awesome for replenishing salt and minerals.
@@TimFitzwater I never got a notice that you replied to me. LOL. My reply is...I'm not a huge fan of those OVERLY PRICED dehydrated meals, that are bought in the camping section of various stores. They are just as expensive as eating out for one meal. Not very practical financially on a cycle tour. Plus I've tried a chicken Alfred pasta dehydrated meal. It tasted very bland like cardboard. Because of those two things, I decided that's not for me. Snack foods are easy to solve, breakfast as well. So I guess it comes down to a enjoyable replenishing meal for dinner. Thanks again for your video. Not very many videos out there that are straightforward like your video is.
@@Mraquanetchris Yes, I do eat meat protein, definitely not a vegetarian like soooooooo many cyclists are. Canned food is heavy if you have a few cans of whatever. I guess just planning your route in between resupplies of food is the key. Thanks
Great tips, I think one of the biggest things is just getting started and not letting lack of gear hold you back. My first couple overnight trips involved wrapping gear to my frame with duct tape since I didn't have much in the way of "proper" bags. You'll quickly figure out what gear you need and what you don't. Choosing a route with available shops is always smart too, in case you forgot something. Your first ride doesn't have to be across the wilds of Nevada. Your tips reminded me a lot of a smaller channel on here, Paul Suchecki. He's got a real laid back "just go do it" approach to bike touring, and you both are great encouragement for people just starting out in this rewarding activity
Having subpar gear, you will definitely notice the difference in quality and weight. I personally disagree with the "just go with whatever approach." I'm a firm believer in paying for quality gear, which has been tried and tested. Some folks just don't want to take the time to save money and make the commitment for quality gear. I've watched Paul's videos, and all I can say is...we are all different in our touring philosophy I guess.
"Off" brands such as Naturehike, Aegismax, & BRS make excellent camping gear at very affordable prices. I was turned on to them by the thru-hiking community.
I call my sleeping bag a quilt, i like it zipped down during warm weather, or even on the same night snugged up. The pillow is any soft packable clothing stuffed under the air mat. happy trails.
My bag doesn’t zip down all the way - which is fine when it’s cold but I don’t like when it is too warm. Wish I had thought of that ahead of buying. I haven’t had luck being comfortable using my clothes as a pillow but a bunch of people have said that works for them. Thanks for stopping by!
Thanks for sharing these tips and tricks. I come from a backpacking background and everything makes a lot of sense. I am looking to transition into some rides and start biking after 10 years, again. P.S I am from Rochester, NY and thanks for showing off the Erie Canal. The canal is definitely a favorite ride of mine.
Glad they were helpful! We have a discord server if you are interested: discord.gg/KwsRqRET Its nice because it is a smaller community that loves to be helpful so if you have any gear or route questions its a great spot to ask. We also give each other first dibs on used gear we sell which can be cool.(lot of good taste in the group). We loved Rochester! I've been a couple times now. We rode from Rochester to Buffalo and back and I want to ride the rest some day.
Honestly I’ve found that most of this outdoor stuff is just trial and error. Mistakes are part of the experience. As long as you have a good time doing it that’s all that matters.
Good video. Thanks. I've used inflatables and sooner or later (sometimes sooner) they fail. My last inflatable failed while on the White Rim Trail in Canyonlands National Park. Never again. Now I use a Slumberjack Z pad (accordion) It's good in cold or hot weather. I used it on the C&O Towpath without sheet or sleeping bag due to the heat of August. It was good even without a cover. Same for my pillow. I use a Coleman Fold and Go. Love it. No inflatables again for me. My tent is a Kelty Grand Mesa 2. Big enough, not heavy or light, just right. They might take up a little more room but that's ok with me. Coming up in a couple of weeks, the Katy Trail. Maybe 5 days, maybe 4, maybe 8. We'll take it as it comes at about 8-10 mph. Fast when it's easy, slow when it's hard. Lots to see.
My inflatable has never failed me - maybe it will at the beginning of a long tour and I won't be able to find the hole and it will change my mind. Until then I'm sticking with the extra comfort and size savings.... Good luck out on the Katy - I've heard great things about it! Would love to do it myself one day.
I like testing my bikes, and learning my limits by hauling groceries, since that is probably about a worst case load. I have found that is a good way to play with rack setups, bags, and fine tune old school rim brakes. There is something to be said about good, simple, and reliable components and often mid entry level, or vintage bikes meet that need very well.
Based on my experences of over fifty years cycle touring and camping, I always try and find a rich widow when I stop for the night. Far more comfortable than sleeping in a tent, and if I'm on form a profit can be shown as well if monetary appreciation appears the following morning. Chapeau.
I had a compression pillow that was too small and my blow up pillow was too uncomfortable so I stuffed my air pillow since it packed up small in with my compression pillow and use both. The air pillow to get your loft and the compression pillow for the softness and fabric. Works great!
This was an unexpected treat at the end of the day for me. That was a lot of information that you just dispensed with and it was a pleasure to listen to. Thanks.
Went on my longest round trip tour about 80 miles away (one way) and we all pitched in for a room. It was my first time doing that! And it was almost as fulfilling if not more so because of all the awesome stuff we encountered along the way! But I can’t deny how much I love bringing my tent with and doing some cool breakfast ideas on the Bunsen burner. And I look forward to hammock camping next year! It’s the thing about it; the versatility is what keeps it engaging and varied and a new experience every time! A new adventure. So I just love bike packing for that reason. And the community. And the challenge.
Heck yeah! I’ve really never had a bad time no matter which way we’ve done it. As you said - sometimes the challenge is fun. Other times having a room and a shower is great too.
I also have a Trek from that era with cross tires I adore. It can handle a frame bag, a tight saddle bag and small bar bag with synthetic fenders; but nothing else. So I appreciate your including that point. I built up a burlier Ti frame for all road touring but still love my old skinny steel bike.
Yeah - it really depends on what you plan to do. We just got back from a trip were I was so happy to have 55mm tires and modern mounting options. But I still love my old bikes too.
I also prefer a tent, to get more privacy and cover from bugs. I prefer an inflatable mattress and for a pillow I bring a nice pillowcase from home and put it over a clothing bag. The odd hotel can really give you that oasis in the desert feeling, but camping is generally better for the reasons you gave, plus the social aspects in campgrounds. Ultralight backpackers have a lot to teach regular backpackers and people doing cycle touring. One thing I learned for riding was to push all the weight up to the front with panniers on the front wheel. It makes it easier to climb hills, the weight is lower, and reduces the weight on the rear tire (what you're sitting on) so you get less flats. I keep very little in my handlebar bag, to keep from putting stress on the shifting cables. One of the ways I could play tourist for the day in a city was to drop my bike off at a bike store for a tune up and then get it back before they closed or the next day, so I could see the sights and have my bike somewhere safe. If you're on a major cycling tour, they're generally enthusiastic about helping you out. Doing some research before you hit those city stops and figuring out the bike shops that are more plugged into the cycling community is a good idea if you're doing this.
Keeping the weight lower is definitely nice for handling - but not practical on all bikes. Weight towards the front just depends on frame geometry - there is no one size fits all approach. I get what you are saying about dropping the bike off - I generally just always want to ride - even when playing tourist. Keeping in mind where shops are definitely matters - we try to be self-sustainable but you can't plan for everything that can go wrong.
My sleep system is a tarp, an accordion sleep pad, a hammock, and a mummy sack. Endless variety of options. I leave on my next month long trip tomorrow. Woohoo!
Check out the gear in use in CT! th-cam.com/video/3f83aWcBpoY/w-d-xo.html
Keep your new pillow. Just see a cover for it. 😅
What's those old school bikes you're riding ?
Dude, nobody needs the latest carbon fibre
It's like a formula one car, if you're young and in peak fitness it might save you a few seconds that win you the race, and if it is in race trim, it'll be worn out as you cross the finish line
Riding on those gravel tracks means - get the cheapest stuff that's adequate because you're going to wear it out really fast. So if you use rim brakes you need the cheapest wheel rims and learn how to build wheels. Similarly your drive train especially the chain will die fast, so getting top of the range things is just silly
The bit where the rubber hits the road, go as expensive as you can afford, this applies to boots as well as tyres. Of course if you're clipped in you're carrying extra shoes, I'll never do that 🙂
Sleep wise I'm a new convert from thermarest to the non self inflating kind of mat. Careful though, there are some on the market that aren't even fit for purpose. I'd also avoid down sleeping bags, they're great for expeditions up Everest, but they aren't robust
Definitely less clothes. Clothes that you can wash in a sink and hang to dry overnight. When I first heard about “credit card touring” I thought what a great idea! A handlebar bag with a few tools and a change of clothes. Ride to a nearby town, check into a hotel, get a nice meal, hit a pub, ride home the next day. Great weekend without a lot of planning.
Heck yeah!
Still blows my own mind that I brought jeans for the city on early tours!
One thing I've learned is as long as you are neat and unless they have a dress code you'll be fine in bike gear.
Closed cell foam- for yoga in the morning!
Could listen to this guy talking about bike touring for hours
This guy appreciates it!
Realy one of the best Video on this topic. Instead of telling the most important must haves for the x millions time he just talks about things where it is good to have them in your mind going on a bike trip.
What I love about bike packing is the lack of planning. My wife and I set off in the morning with a vague idea of where we want to go but who knows what will happen, getting away from the commitments of normal life is just great.
Nice! I would like to do it like that eventually. With my crew and our various schedules we still tend to plan a lot(especially since our biggest trip is over 4th of July). It would be awesome KitKat to roll out and wing it though.
I used to plan Backpacking and Bikepacking trips to the nth degree. Once I started going with the philosphy of "I need to end at X location by Y date, and whatever happens in between is to be played by ear" I found I was having a ton more fun. Reasonable supply and safety needs accounted for, of course.
Going on 3 months of winging it now I have a vague idea of what I want to do but an actual route is not planned I just look for places to find water and food and safe space for camping and make it wherever I make it 😎
Yes to all! Bike touring is the freest one can be in my opinion. I can’t wait to get back out there.
I prefer to camp/sleep in a tent or hammock over staying in a nice hotel
Thanks Tim,
As a 75 year-old newbie who took his first bikepacking trip to the Camino del Norte in France/Spain and wiped out badly I gained a better understanding of the art and craft of bikepacking from your excellent presentation. I look forward to Camino de Santiago in '23. Thank you.
Mike Gilmore
Sorry you wiped out but so rad that you are getting out there! We were just talking about whether we could somehow swing going to France for our next tour(July 2023). I’ve been to France once and I really want to ride there - maybe Provence. Time and money out my main issues as a freelancer!
Have you looked at the Portugal to Spain route? Mostly all coastal, not much climbing, and plenty of places to wild camp or towns to sleep in a normal bed. Haven't done the Northern Camino route, but maybe one day. Good luck in '23.
@@alphonzosolorzano5011 I have a friend just back from Portugal who loved it and I have a cycling buddy in Spain….that being said my girlfriend and I are Francophiles who have been trying to learn French. (And I want to catch a bit of the Tour).
You are in for a treat I have done half the camino and it was great
@@TimFitzwater hey Tim! I just came across your channel through this vidéo and I have to say these are great tips!
I’m just finishing my first ever bike trip which took me from Lyon to Barcelona, crossing Provence and Camargue and definitely recommend it! I followed the ViaRhona itinerary from Lyon which follows the Rhône river down to the Mediterranean sea. It’s a very easy, well-maintained and beautiful road! Plenty of signs, no need for GPS and many many camping sites used to have biketrippers.
Feel free to PM me if you ever need, I’m french so I can help with all the cumbersome details (bikes on train etc…) :)
Fourth reason for tent-camping - because you actually love the whole experience. A major factor. I love being self-sustained, doing the whole camp-cooking thing, eating outdoors, enjoying the night stars, hearing the animal noises at night, and waking in a comfortable tent to a misty morning (or even sleeping nice and dry through a rain-storm). Camping with great gear that you know all works for you is the main thing.
I totally agree. I'm an urbanite who grew up camping, and I frickin' love the feeling of waking up in a tent. The only difficulty is finding people to go with who would chose camping too.
Where I live, the owls sing lead, the gators sing bass, and I sleep in my tent like a baby.
I've spent many nights in a tent, in all kind of conditions and places, including winter, but I've never liked the experience. The chore of pitching and taking down is time consuming and annoying at best, but I really hate it when it's raining. If you camp for a day it is ok, but when you do it for longer periods it adds up. Cooking and eating outdoors usually means eating tasteless and not very healthy food, but at least if you are very tired you don't care so much :) If the conditions are appropriate, I prefer to sleep with only the sleeping bag under the stars.
00:50 ... "just do you" .. Love it. Best advice ever. Was subconsciously struggling with that one for ages, thinking I was "cheating" or "doing it wrong." And that one tip just rang a bell in my head and blew all that away. Thank you 🙏 And yes, my holiday is a bike trip!
Awesome! Yup - no one hands out awards for roughing it!
Agree with everything. I’ve learned so much in the last few weeks and you’ve hit all the important points.
yo i love your videos
One suggestion for packing: Distribute weight in the fore, mid-ship, and aft sections. We loaded most gear in rear panniers for our first tour. I was fine, but my riding partner got the death shimmy on a fast descent. Unloaded, no shimmy; but with two big panniers on the back, she got shimmy at high speed. You don't want that. Almost lost control of the bike. Test your loaded bike on fast descents, with hands at the ready on your brakes in case the bike starts to wobble. If it does, you need a different weight distribution, or a different bike.
I had a lot of problems with that when I used to tour on an old Trek that wasn't made for it. I find my gravel and ATB bike like the weight towards the front. Old school touring bikes were often made for heavy rear loads with their long chain stays.... all depends on the bike really but trying to even the load is always a good start as you said.
I think the two main pros of a folding pad ate 1) theyre super cheap, and 2) they are impossible to break. Bonus points for being able to use them as chairs on a pit stop, or to lay on top of brambles.
another thing is that they are crazy light, with the downside that they don’t pack well.
@BA-ex7of I’m a few years and thousands of miles in on my inflatable. 🤷🏻♂️
@BA-ex7of yeah - my girlfriend has a Amazon one and has had to patch it twice, I paid for a Sea to Summit and it hasn’t had a problem.
@BA-ex7of i've never had a seal go out on an inflatable. They can also be patched multiple times. There's no reason you can't get 3+ years out of an inflatable pad.
@BA-ex7of Pad usually compress and tear quite fast if you use them frequently. Years ago I was using self inflatable mattress during one 9 month trip in which I camped about 160nights. It was quite heavy - about 900 grams if I remember well, and I did not manage do puncture it for these 160 nights despite that in a few occasions I have slept among cacti. I was just very careful when choosing a spot. However it really depends on the type and brand of mat. I had another inflatable mat, whose internal layers delaminated in a few weeks and I had a big big bump in the middle of it.
I love your first point, people tend to turn things into a competetion, even things they love such as bike packing or hiking. Do what you what and how you want to do it
Right on!
I don't go on vacation to prove anything to anyone!
Well said Tim! I have been doing extensive touring since 1987. And one of the things I tell everyone who asks and tries to brag about how minimalist and skimping it they are doing their tours, is ... Great! If you enjoy that go for it. Sometimes when the weather is good and I'm only going for a couple of weeks I might do the same. But ultimately I'm touring the way I want to tour. I just returned from B.C. to California (late January to mid February) and I stayed dry and comfortable the entire time. Of course there are no other (sane) people touring the west coast this time of year, but sometimes I camped and sometimes I stayed in a hotel, I did what I wanted. 🙂
Very cool! Definitely - no reason not to do it when and how you like!
Hey, thanks! I am 75 and just bought a Catrack trike. I am looking forward to bike touring/packing. Lot's of good advice!
Glad you found it helpful and that you are going to get out there! Happy trails!
I have a Catrike Expedition recumbent trike.
If your interested, check out my channel..."Firefly Recumbent trike Adventures" TH-cam.
Currently doing the Trans American Route. I ditched my blow up mattress (after it got a hole in it) for the accordion style sleeping mat. I love it since it takes 3 second to set up and take down and cuts down on the chores in the evening and the morning. It’s probably 75% as comfortable.
Good luck on the tour - hope you are having a blast!
I've simply never had a hole in mine(yet) and only have time for four or five day tours - so blowing up a mat isn't a big deal. I definitely understand why the folding ones work better for you now.
It is true that inflating and deflating is annoying, but I've never been able to sleep well on a foam mat. I remember once I even had bruises on my hips from 5 consecutive days on sucha a mat. Comfort matters, especially on a long trip.
Ive been bikepacking since 1982 when it was called bike touring. Done 83 tours and on my 84th now. Ive toured/bikepacked every fall and spring since i was 26. In summer i work 3 months and in winter i go backpacking. Ill be 69 in January. I am currently touring on a Mongoose Dolomite ALX that I've had 3 years. I ride about 7k a year.
Awesome!!
That is inspiring, so cool.
And here I thought I'm way too old to even ride a cycle (I'm 19 btw...)
Very sweet. Gives hope to all newbie’s that think about traveling by bike for the first time.
Start simple!
Great video, tons of good information. For me a tent is a must. If I’m cycling with one or two people we use a large 6 person tent and break up the tent. One person carries the tent, one carries the poles etc. If I’m by myself it’s a very small free standing tent. For sleep, I prefer my air mattress, the 3 inch thermal rest has become my favorite, as I got older, the extra padding is a must. I use a down sleeping bag liner because it’s weighs almost nothing and packs down to something the size of Pringle’s can and/or a fleece blanket. Clothes, less is more. You don’t need multiple days worth of outfits. Something to wear and something to wash pretty much covers it. Dress for comfort only bring the clothes your going to need, for the weather your going to encounter. Some kind of rain gear is a must. Every repair kit should have a pair of tubes and at least one folding tire if your going on a longer trip, a patch kit, tire levers, a multi tool with chain breaker a knife and small roll of electrical tape, It has its uses. If your going off the beaten path, bring spare spokes. I use put spare spokes in a plastic tube with sealed ends and zip tie it to the one of the rear wear stays. Or just tape a few spokes to the stay. Something to do basic cleaning with, and chain lube. Another essential a first aid kit. A few bandaids, a small roll 1 1/2 inch gauge, a few 4x4 nonstick gauge pads with a small 3, 4 oz bottle of Peroxide and small tube of antibiotic cream with fix most miner injuries on the road. Also nice to have something like Tylenol or ibuprofen for aches and pains. After that pretty much everything you said in the video. I would add have a cell, at least $20 cash with you, at least one credit card some form of ID.
I think I'm pretty much on the same page with all of this except I've never carried extra spokes - not because I shouldn't but just because I haven't thought about it. Same with the first aid kit - something we need to start doing. Awesome tips all around - I hope others check out this comment - I'll pin it to the top.
@@TimFitzwater thanks for the reply, something I forgot about, a length of parachute cord, I think 50 feet was what I cared, doesn’t have to be very thick. It weighs almost nothing and can be stuffed wherever you have space. But it comes in handy, if for no other reason a drying line for wet clothes and gear. We also packed MREs for food. There light, easy to make and taste pretty good. If you going off the grid, outback trial riding, where fresh water could be problem, a water purification system is nice to have as well. It’s just a little insurance that doesn’t weigh much and can be easily packed. Now you can get water bottles with the filters built right into them.
tents suck, but a necessity if you're going someplace without any trees. or where hammocks aren't allowed. and paracord is the worst. get some dyneema cord, much stronger, lighter, much more useful. there's several varieties on the market. I second the carrying of spare spokes... remember you need multiple sizes if you have an offset hub on the rear wheel.
worry about going light but DON'T worry about going light... REMEMBER YOU'RE NOT RACING THE DAMN THING, you're touring! your legs will get used to the extra weight. that said you're still going to want less weight on the climbs if you're going over mountains, but pack for comfort... like he says in the video if you're on a vacation you want to enjoy it, not suffer the whole way, but there is still a balance between too much and not enough.
@@better.better when you get a little older you’ll find that hammock is not your friend. Dyneema rope vs Paracord, I find paracord easier to use. Plus it’s cheaper and easier to replace, paracord can be found almost anywhere, dyneema not so much. Plus your more likely to cut paracord to the size you need because it’s cheaper and easily replaced. They each have there uses and place, it mostly personal preference. For general use, I find paracord more useful. But if you prefer dyneema, go for it. Weight management on bike is important, less is generally better. Rule of thumb, if your don’t need it, don’t carry it. As for the spokes, good you pointed out to carry all the sizes you need, I just assumed anyone caring spokes would know to care few in both sizes, my bad.
@@better.better I’m simply all about the tent. I’m willing to try a hammock just to have the knowledge but can’t image giving up on the comfort of a shelter in bad weather…. Light as I can but with the gear that I want…. 😎
Bike camper 30+ years here. No matter your pillow choice, bring a pillow cover from home. It is light and adds a simple comfort from home. Peace
I like the tip that people have given me of using a cotton Tee!
@@TimFitzwaterno cotton tee allowed, sry
i take both inflatable and foldable sleeping pads.
1) inflatable is soft and foldable is firm makes for best sleep.
2) gaurantees if air leaks or stretches or if i shift around a lot, i never touch the ground.
3) foldable is quick to depoloy so i can use it for lunch seat or sunbathing when not specifically at the tent.
4) backup pad as closed cell foam never breaks
i recommend the nemo over the thermarest since it packs tighter together
In my experience the folding sleeping pads, like a z-lite, are for added insulation and comfort. When it's cold it's nice to have the foam layer between your inflatable pad and the ground. It really helps keep you warm and a bit more comfortable. They also have a couple fun benefits, like being a fun raft/"floaty", or giving you a comfortable place to be closer to the ground, for yoga, stretching or quick naps.
I too have the Z-lite folding foam pad that I use for under my air mattress. Yes, it does add a barrier of warmth, comfort and protection for your air mattress and you. It doesn't really weigh anything and folds up nicely that can be tied to the top of your panniers. I personally feel that it is a difference maker in having a good night's sleep. It adds to the overall R-value in cold weather too. Separating you from the cold ground, which most people don't think about enough.
I do agree with all being said. The Z-Lite to me is just an additional layer to increase the warmth, I used it only when I’ve been wildcamping around 0 or less degrees. But I know one advantage that you can takenis that it’s robust. The inflatables are compact and light but if you do need something very robust and reliable one may use the foldable, it’s still light tho.
The reliability of the non-inflatable mat is huge. Waking up on the cold ground repeatedly due to a hole that you cant even find is a feature that disqualifies air mattresses for me.
the advantage of the affordable roll or foldable sleeping mats is 1. They're cheap and 2. They insulate you from the cold coming up from the ground. If you're planning to camp in temperate/colder climates with just above zero temperatures at night, you need this insulation. If you don't have much money, they're a great way to be able to get out on a tour and camp.
And they don't deflate under you.
they're quieter as well
They're idiot-proof as well. I've torn my fancy mat by one unconscious move :/
As an old man, I don't find either alternative ideal, but inflatables are awful for deflating - all of them, in my experience - and sucking heat out of you on cold nights. The solid ones are much more dependable, though they are bulky and don't offer much real padding.
When I was younger all this was less crucial. Now that I'm old, I can't be sleeping on the rocks and roots. A decent bed is now a medical necessity.
Affordability is important. Two additional points to add to this thread: 1) for sub-zero temperatures, a foldable foam mat can both boost the insulation of an inflatable mat, but also be vital in an overnight emergency if that mat gets punctured; 2) low volume inflatable mats, e.g. £30 summer ones, tend to deflate overnight as the temperature drops and the limited amount of air inside drops in pressure just enough to lose a centimetre or two in mat thickness. However, in my experience, the thicker mats, e.g. 7 cm, do not tend to exhibit this problem. I use an insulated mat by Mountain Equipment, which is actually produced by Exped, I believe.
I usually mix it up when I'm bikepacking. Sometimes I stay in motel/hotel, sometimes in tent. That's how I like it.
The best way to do it! I’ve been so busy but I’m looking forward to digging into your whole series. Told me crew we should binge them on a rainy night.
Great advice for newbies and experienced folks. I complete 18 long distance rides over 20 years plus few shorter ones as I got older. I completed several 500 mile, several 1,000 mile and one coast to coast in 47 days. As a teacher I had summers off and not a lot of money so bike touring was perfect. Over the years I slowly learned how to pack a recommend people try to limit their bagage to about 25 lbs.
A very old "survival" thing was hard candies. Mothers in pre-car days would sometimes go as far as sewing them into inner pockets of a child's clothes so the kid would have something high-calorie if they got lost in the woods for a few days. (Granted more kids had little pocketknives back then to cut the stitches)
MAKES ME WANT TO GO BIKE CAMPING RIGHT NOW!
Love your comment about going on a beach holiday.
It's also those people that say you have to drink whisky straight (my preference is a tiny drop of water, but I'm not saying that is right).
It's how you appreciate these things best that counts.
Stopping at a brewery or local festival sounds very sensible.
Thanks for your content.
Yup - do it how you want!
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2:57
Would like to reiterate this point
The comfort of sitting up inside your tent when you are exhausted from touring is invaluable
additionally a bivvy sack/tent is misery in humid climates, you wake up with condensation right in your face instead of ventilated on wider tent walls
On my last trip I ended up changing into a gear that didn't exist, took me about an hour to get the chain out from in between the wheel and gear.
Snapped 2 spokes and buckled the wheel.
Took me about 4 hours to limp to a shop. Then ended up racing to catch up the delay. Rough tough day. But totally fun.
I don't know if it would have helped in your situation, but the 'parcel hook' tool available on some Swiss Army Knives is fantastic for grabbing a stuck chain (also great for remounting a chain if it falls off the smallest cog on the cassette, without getting oil on your hands).
Wouldn't have thought of that. What a smart idea. ATB
In answer to your request; if anyone out there uses the concertina folding sleeping pads, as shown, please explain why! Okay here we go. Firstly I haven’t bike camped but will this winter, (I’m in Australia, winter where I am is best for me). I hike historically. I’ve used inflatable and lightweight camp cots. If the ground isn’t rocky the folding pad is better for me, and many others, because: 1. It is simple. Can’t deflate. No time to put air in or air out. 2. They double as a seat. Very warm and comfortable. 3. If crossing water courses they offer extremely good flotation. 4. Durable long lasting and suffer damage, animal or human, with basically zero loss of function. 5. You don’t need a puncture repair kit. 6. Can be used, in part or full, as a very kind and comfortable splint. 7. Lasting my pet hate the the most frustrating thing if if about an inflatable pad, is that because they are narrow I ALWAYS roll off. Or I’m half awake trying to not roll off. With the low pad this is a non issue. Mine is cut down, took a few sections off, to make it less bulky. I don’t need it below my knees 🤷♂️. If the ground is going to be rocky and or very wet I would prefer to carry more weight and bring my camp cot, and also use the pad onto of it, than use an inflatable pad. And I don’t hate pads. Many good models on the market now. Yeah there’s basically no padding 😬😂. You need to be okay with that. I am because I transitioned, for several reasons, living in China, where a fancy concrete slab with a blanket over top is considered a bed, for 13 years not least among them. My advice is don’t go cold turkey. Start at home with your non inflatable pad on soft carpet, and other layers if needed. Once you have conditioned yourself to sleeping on a hard surface go outdoors with it.
The combo of a fold-up pad with an inflatable pad on top is great, BTW.
I bet / just don’t want to carry something that big. When I camp close to a car then yes!
Jam-packed with common sense tips Tim, thanks so much for pulling this together; I especially liked the non-judgemental way you spoke about 'credit card bike-packing' - you do you indeed!
I'm very new to all of this but will add something important about water, clean sources of which are not always where you need them. I'd say tip one is to carry a water filter device like a Sawyer - doesn't weigh much and can save you. Tip two (here in the UK at least) is that "every churchyard has a tap/faucet". This isn't strictly true but a good rule of thumb - people tending graves want water for the flowers.
Right, I've only just found your channel so I'm off to watch some more - and yes, I've subbed!
Thanks! Good advice on the water filter. I don’t know why no one in our group has one yet. On the C&O Trail I saw a guy filtering the well water and thought it was a great idea. It seems we don’t have as many fresh water options in the US as I’ve seen in Europe - I hate buying bottled water but end up doing it anyways. Thanks so much for checking out the channel!
I did PA to alabama with absolutely no funds and minimal equipment. I used a tarp and hammock to stay dry and comfortable. I started on a huffy from the 90s. Having all your sleeping gear on long tours is paramount.
Nice & impressive! I’ve never tried a hammock- my thought is that it wouldn’t work for me as I toss and turn but generally fall asleep on my stomach….
Wool is great! I have a short sleeve wool jersey and can just wear the one jersey for two or three days.
And snacks are definitely key to a happy tour
Right! Saves so much space to get a couple days out of the clothes. …and yes - always snacks.
Good vid! I switched to a quilt last year and love it. I move around a fair amount and the quilt provides freedom to do so. I also like that I can uncover my feet which helps regulate body temp. The quilt I have has various setup options for when temps drop. I use an inflatable pillow also and what I started doing was to put a buff on the pillow. After a sweaty day of riding the buff helps protect the pillow from the grime. After the tour or during the tour you wash it. Like in the hiking world, "hike your own hike" ... same goes in the biking world, "ride your own ride".
A few people have suggested covering the pillow, t-shirts, buffs, small pillow cases - don't know why I never thought of that!? A company is actually sending me a $70 down quilt that they claim is comparable to the expensive Rumpl - will be interesting to see what it is like. Ride you own ride - 100% !!
What's the difference between a quilt and an unzipped sleeping bag?
The advantages for the folding sleeping mat are durability, as you mentioned, and they can be used as a sitting pad. If you are going into the woods or roughing it having a sitting pad to put on the rock or tree stump you will sit on is a luxury.
Ah - I’ve also been told they actually insulate better. I carry a fold up camp chair (my back needs support) so I guess I hadn’t thought of the sitting situation.
@@TimFitzwater Non-insulated pads have an R-value of 1.0, suitable for nights down to mid-40's at best for my comfort level. Foam pads are about 2.0, suitable down to roughly freezing (snow also insulates, so placing them over packed snow under your tent can be surprisingly OK). Insulated air pads can get up to an R-value of 7, suitable for wicked cold conditions. Insulation is additive, so an air pad with an R-value of say 3 can be placed over a foam pad for cold snow camping, giving both good insulation and fall back durability that will keep you at lease alive if the air pad fails.
Not an expert in this matter, but here is my opinion.
Air is a very good insulator. In fact, foam materials are good insulators because they have air bubles trapped inside. An inflatable mat that raises you enough from the ground is very good for insulation and confort.
I usually carry a folding foam mat (thermarest Z lite) for puncture protection and an inflatable mat for comfort. I think this combination is overkill and I'm going to test only with the inflatable mat because I want to carry less volume.
Many foam mats have a reflective side (like an emergency blanket) to reflect back your own heat. You can use one side or the other if you are hot/cold.
A lot of it is personal preference. Personally, I like a little more pad, a little more give in my pad, it’s why I prefer a Thermarest pad, just don’t forget the repair kit- Stuff happens. (And I’ve seen plenty of foam pads duct taped back together as well, where these a will there’s away) 😂A thermarest is also just a bit nicer for early and late season camping when the sleeping hours tend to be cooler. Having something easy to sit on, that is an advantage of the foam pad. Depending how you pack that foam pad, it could be at ready anytime you need it. Where as a thermarest, that’s going to stay packed until you at base camp. I’ve heard the debate which is better for years, it really depends on preference. As I’ve gotten older, more pad is a must.
I love a foldable sleeping pad because its cheap, doesn't puncture and it's fast to access for a mid day siesta or for sitting on when camping, you even have space for your friends!
I get the ease of use / still not convinced that the space it takes up is worth the loss in comfort.
Here is a detailed answer about dogs. I wrote it on another thread for a person planning a transcon on a recumbent.
As for dogs on tour, I have had many experiences with them. Some cyclists might carry pepper spray, which I have done but never used. I saw another advise carrying a water pistol containing a mixture of water and ammonia; this I have never done. The fact is that dogs can be an occasional annoyance or hassle or whatever, but by and large they are not a real danger unless one comes charging at you from out of nowhere, startling you, and causing you to involuntarily swerve out into traffic. It happens.
There is something about the movement of cycling that sets dogs off into a headstrong frenzy of barking and chasing. I mean, you come along, and there is some dog in a yard. It has been lolling around all day perhaps. It catches sight of you going by on your bike, and it immediately goes nuts. It starts barking, snarling, yelping, and growling, and chasing you at high speed and going for your heels with all its might. I have seen dogs go absolutely bananas at the sight of me cycling, even if I was two hundred feet away from them. I have seen them come charging out at me, stopped only by a fence around the property. They would follow all along the fence line to the end, and then go ape trying to jump over the fence or tunnel under it. This kind of reaction comes from dogs of all sizes from the largest dogs to even those little Mexican Chihuahuas. That is no kidding. I was cycling through some town. Somebody was carrying one of those little Mexican dogs. It saw me. It went crazy trying to jump from its owners arms and chase along.
I have worked out a manner of dealing with dogs. In spite of all the noise and chases not one dog has ever actually bitten me. However, they do seem to be fond of going for the feet, and some have come close to biting. First, slow down a bit, look at the dog and yell out a loud, sharp report, and when I say loud and sharp that is what is meant; something like you might expect to hear from a marine corps drill sargeant. You might have to yell a number of times. The yelling will bring some dogs to a halt. Some will stop temporarily and continue, and slow down or halt every time you yell. Just yell out hut or ha loud, sharp, and clear. If that does not dissuade the cur from pursuing his pleasure or whatever it is he gets out of the chase, come to a dead stop and give him the yell. He will stop. He may turn around and take off. He may tarry a while and snip and growl. He may come close, but my experience is the actual attack will not happen. I have cycled 34,000 miles through 19 countries, and six or more times across the USA, so I know of what I speak.
I have always ridden an upright touring bike, therefore, having a dog running along and chasing at my heels is a different matter from riding a recumbent with the animal more nearly at the vital parts such as torso, head, and throat. My general advice is this. If you are concerned, do what I have told you, and carry a water pistol with water and ammonia in it, if legal to do so, or a very good pepper spray, not one of those little key chain things, but a canister with a real fog or large volume spray that comes out, but do not use it as a first response. If you yell and stop and yell, the dog will stop his pursuit. In other words, do not run and it will not chase. Often, as you are stopped at the roadside waiting for the animal to lose interest, its owner will come out and call it back, and it trots on home. If you stop and it stops and loses interest, it might head back to its territory on its own, but if you take off it will turn around and continue chasing. Dogs, for the most part, are a temporary nuisance, but not a real serious danger. However, I am sure cyclists have been actually attacked, and perhaps even injured.
When stopped, the hound may come close, but will not actually sink its teeth into your hide. If it is particularly vicious or mean, give him a whiff of the pepper spray or whatever, but I have never found that to be necessary. If you get off the bike and walk a ways, which you would not or might not be able to do, it could lose interest; get back on and cycle away, and it will pick up where it left off, or just go home.
Try not to let a dog catch you by surprise in close quarters. That happened to me once, and I tipped over injuring my ankle. It was at night on a quiet, placid road. A very large dog came charging aggressively from out of the bushes near the side of the road. All of a sudden I heard this very loud barking and snarling, and saw a blur out of the corner of my eye. In an attempt to stop, dismount immediately, and get the bike between myself and the attacking dog, I forgot my feet were strapped into the pedals, and tried to get off on the right of the bike, I fell over and twisted my ankle. Well, at least I fell over away from the dog and not toward it. After all that the dog just stood there looking at me, and turned around and left. It was one of the larger breeds of dog, and I am sure it would not have harmed me, but it caught me completely unexpected, and I reacted unthinking with a start. There was no time to think through what to do. The subconscious mind told me I was under attack and needed to respond, and I did.
You might have dog problems in some areas at times, and no dog problems whatsoever in other places. In 1984 in winter along highway 90 in Florida free ranging dogs were all over the place, and I might add, were often seen dead along the roadside after having been slammed by motor vehicles. In 2007 I cycled 90, and there was not the first problem with the first dog; very different from 1984. In countrified areas dog owners may be more disposed to letting their dogs roam free. Some may be fenced in, but have some little tunnel dug out under the fence in some bush-covered corner. They actually seem to be smart enough to try and cover or hide their tunnels. Anyway, that is about all I can tell you. If you go into Eastern Europe, you may find canines of a very different stripe; very different from the friendly domesticated kind we are used to in the USA.
As for some of those dogs I encountered in eastern Europe, nothing short of a firearm would save you. Some of those would run you to earth and kill you and eat you. I had never seen anything even remotely as vicious as those, and have not seen anything like it since. If there is any such thing as a homicidal, insane, psychotic, murderous, savage dog, those dogs were it. Thank God for chain link fences. They must have been raised to be that way.
thanks for your vision and advice on dealing with dogs . I fully agree on what you’re saying !
This video rocks, and the comments are a gold-mine, too! Brilliant collection of know-how!
Glad you dug it!
I love this channel. It’s good advice based on experience, but most of the advice is “go get some experience”. I’m also a photographer, I used a cyclocross bike as my “camera bike” for a few years and I found out the same things - loaded bikes are different. Now I’m building up my touring rig, taking day trips and learning a lot. The funny thing is that I work at a bike shop and I’m the touring guy there. I know all about the racks and panniers, but only experience teaches you the zillion other details that make up loaded touring.
Thanks!
Yeah - nothing makes up for experience. Our local shop owner definitely leans on us for some of our knowledge of actually touring. Just like you said - he knows how to fit every rack and what works with what - but not packing too much is a learned experience.
I love hearing from other photographers as well - it adds a different element to what we pack and the way we think on the bike.
Biking really is best for photography. In a car you need to keep your eyes more on the road and see less. You can stop your bike on a dime and go off the beaten trail. Walking is also good but you can get very far very fast to get to the best locations..
I've always used one of my panniers as a pillow. I pack clothes in one side rear, food in the other. "Kitchen" and tools in the front bags (oldskool english 4 bag rig) and I have always used either karimor-style bags or, lately, the chinese rockbros ortleib clones, so the outside face of the bag, with a fleecy jacket over it and the laundry bag remived to reduce the height, makes a great pillow.
The advantages of foam pads over inflatables is price, durability, ease of deployment, and versatility. I think the first two points are pretty self explanatory. Ease of deployment comes into play for me, primarily when choosing to use my pad as a dry and/or comfortable place to quickly sit down, lounge, or nap during the day. Some people don't like the hassle of blowing up inflatables at the end of the day. As for versatility, foam pads make quicker and easier spots to sit and eat lunch than inflatables. They work as a pretty good fan to help get your campfire going. Foam pads work better as wind screens for cooking. As you note, foam pads can be used to provide structure and back padding for backpacks. I've also used pieces of foam cut off the end or corners of my pad for various reasons including cushioning a sore spot on my body from sandal straps, waist belt straps etc, or pressure points from shoes a time or two. Finally, although I've not used them for this myself, I have been trained to use foam pads rolled up as splints or splint padding in emergency situations. To be fair, you can also use inflatables as splints to some degree. Finally, if you're a back sleeper, foam pads are likely all you need to be comfortable. Since I'm a side sleeper, I vastly prefer inflatable pads, although I often carry a short inflatable with another short foam pad that combined make a full length pad with most of the versatility and comfort of both for similar combined weight and volume.
You can also double the folding pads in two for more hip comfort
@@tomsitzman3952 At times I double-up my accordion pad just above my hip and below my shoulder to reduce pressure on those points with some notable success.
I don't find the price of similar quality pads to be that different. You can also buy inflatable pads for next to nothing on Amazon and the like. I can see "the ease of deployment argument" but that couldn't outweigh the space savings for me. The other uses you mention can make sense but are also pretty niche. From everyone's comments on this so far the only true advantage that I've heard is for insulation - the foldable pads keep you warm from the ground if you bike pack in cooler weather. Still - to each their own - gotta use what works best for you!(even though my mind has yet to be changed) 😎
Excellent response Nelson, I have been intrigued w/ foldup pad. Last Amazon overrated lightweight blowup failed on its first real trip (not a an easy repair place). I can see a foldup (even @ 24") fit nicely on rear rack, over reach would work as rear fender that is greatly needed on CO Trail (Tim failed to mention & bug spray!). Sitting is underrated - you always think there will be a log/rock available, but seldom is and never in right place or covered in poison ivy.
Inflating a pad takes 60 seconds at most and they're way comfier. Silly argument.
Totally agree with choosing a bike based on fun and gear handling over speed. I took my stupid heavy long tail cargo bike on a couple trips, and it was awesome to have a camp chair, and other creature comforts. It was also nice to just thunder confidently over terrain on a bike that handles the weight so well without getting squirrely. It was a real SOB on hills, but it was memorably more fun than some trips where I took my carbon framed bike that while lighter, carries much less and has a front end that gets the death wobble if I put too much in the front roll.
Regarding gear, start with what you own or can borrow first. A few trips will quickly educate you on what works and what doesn't before you go and blow a lot of cash on the lightest/best and possibly wrong gear that may just end up in the back of the Closet of Shame. Showing up at REI the night before your first trip with a credit card burning a hole in your pocket is a recipe for trouble.
Excellent points!
Surly Big Dummy or Big Fat Dummy? I love my BFD I've got the 29s on right now because of the parts shortage but I'm seriously missing my 26x5s I can roll up sand dunes with those things
haha closet of shame....
After a few years of serious health issues I plan to get back to camping and hopefully biking this year... the best advice he gave do it your way, if you are young go for mileage all you want... if I went 15 miles and just hung out and camped at this point it would be Awesome, unlike 30 miles hiking or a hundred miles Biking like when I was a kid. Oh, I am not sleeping on the ground, I prefer the hammock and not struggling to get up... but you do you. I have an elderly friend that sleeps in their car for the Sunrise...
Awesome. Good luck getting back out there.....and yes - do it your way! Just make it work how you can.
The overpacking thing is so true - many many years ago, when I was 17, I rode from Boston to LA. Among the dumb things I brought (this is not a complete list): jeans, a heavy cotton hooded sweatshirt, a Maglite flashlight that required two ‘D’ batteries, I think 3 pairs of bike shorts and jerseys, a full size crescent wrench, etc etc etc. Still had a great time, but after getting into backpacking I realized how little I actually needed to carry and it’s so much more pleasant to have less weight to drag up the hills.
100%
I am coming in from a different angle; late in life to bikes but fifty years of backpacking. I love UL biking-hiking-camping but a no shame in motels and flush toilets. Recent convert to quilts in summer heat, woodlands or desert. I am in the mountain west and and western edge of the Northern Plains, so at my daily pace, it can be two days between stores or even roadhouses. Three plus to brew pubs. Salads are few too. Yes to tents, no to bivy sacks unless it is just an overnight. Many of the new tent models of hiking tents for bikes come with extra fabric and features that add a lot of grams.
Flexibility, yes. In Ontario, many years ago, I used to camp in cemeteries. Nice and quiet.
I plan on doing a one way, 200 mile trek late this year. I'm going to start over in a whole new place, and I'm not coming back to this crappy town. Your tips will come in handy! Thanks!
I hope the ride and new life work out awesome!
Billy don't be a hero come back and make me a sandwich
You have the right idea of stopping off for doing different things along the way, because it's the adventure of doing different things that make it an exciting experience. ✌❤🙂
Yeah - have to make time to actually see where you are riding!
Hi Tim, just stumbled across your channel while looking for thoughts on my next bikepacking tent. What a beautiful distillation of knowledge into an honestly presented video! I've been backpacking and bikepacking for over 35 years across thousands of miles in the UK and Europe and everything you mentioned rings so true. Brilliant!
Thanks so much! I appreciate the comment. Keep getting out there! 😎
My personal last discovery is a hanging mat with self supporting bug net and so called emergency blankets. I just set it up on the ground and put the emergency blanket over it. The emergency blanket provides good blacking out, that is quite relevant for a good night sleep. This setup packs in to something that a slightly oversized backpack can handle. This way I can even go touring on my regular road bike.
Most of us hobby campers have always done the same thing: bought the cheap, heavy stuff because the expensive stuff just seemed such a rip-off. Then slowly we get to see the value and buy upgrade after upgrade until we have a mountain of cheap crappy gear stashed somewhere :) Just buy once and buy quality, its a false economy to do otherwise.
The really great piece of advice here is to get a room for something like 1 night out of 3/4. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
I absolutely agree. I hate throwing good money after bad as they say.
i will test my poncho quilt and hammack. I tried bivy bag and that was too warm(summer in southern europe) and now i am also quite sure i need to bring mosquito net with me just in case as bivy should have been emergency but i had to use it alwys to protect myself against mosquitos. thats where tents are much better value.. i still dont have a decent bikepacking tent but one day...
So many excellent point made in this video. Two things I would add:-
1) Pillows - Why carry the weight? You've got a bundle of clothes and other soft things. Stuff them inside a t-shirt, or whatever, or even into a pillow-case.
2) Navigation. Bike computer Vs Phone. Get Osmand onto your Android phone. It's a bit geeky but when you've invested a little time learning how to get the best out of it you'll find it beats the pants off any other sat-nav system or route planner. AND it works offline - Great when there's no phone signal. Plus the maps are incredibly detailed, searchable, customisable, ..., ..., - I could go on. If you're sceptical, start with the free version.
I believe you - but I’m a computer guy. I like to put my phone away when I’m riding on vacation. $300 simple and small Wahoo - I don’t want my expensive and annoying phone on my bars.
Your opening comments about doing your setup and vacation your way- because its yours-
Hands down so good advice.
Its too easy to get lost in thinking about the way it should be in an onlookers eyes.
Great advice!
I didnt know there were bikepacking specific tents! (Ive taken a liking to the rei passage 1 tent for simplicity…🤷♂️
What a packed video full of great wisdom.
Love it:)
Thanks - yeah - doing what you want to do is the main thing! Don’t worry about the trends. Yeah - the bike packing specific gear is definitely newer - but lots of other stuff out there that works. Thanks for stopping by!
1. Absolutely, camp like you wanna
2. Foam pads are good for two reasons: Don’t pop / easy to clean. If you wanna sit on one (or sleep) by the fire, i recommend foam. Oh and they’re cheap.
3. Pillows, i saw a review of an inflatable pillow with a foam top bit - looks super nice.
4. I use a lot of cheap tents ($35 tents - one has about 100 trips over 15 years on it). They work great for me. I don’t do long backpacking trips with them as they’re heavy though.
5. On bikes - yes, cheap but reliable bikes are the best so long as they’re comfortable.
6. Minimal - YES.
Great video. I need another trip and I probably need a chain tool. Thanks
Awesome - thanks!
I'm heading out this weekend for the first trip of the year.
I am going to have a partial new set up for longer and rougher terrained trips this year - excited t build that out and share it.
Just to say thank you for a really great and informative video. I have just returned from France bike packing and I think you hit the mark on all the important stuff. I overpacked on some things and then forgot certain essentials like underpants!!!!! Thank god for my spare cycle shorts. Wild camping was great and saved a bunch but the odd night in an hotel is a luxury well worth it. I also agree with time and other cyclists mentality. I think you are touring and not racing so stop and enjoy everything. It's about the journey and not the destination. I tried liquid gels and didn't bonk but I am sure food is just as good. It was really hot on one day so we did only twenty miles and stopped before midday. In addition we took the train when it suited. I don't have an issue with this because you are on holiday and there are no prizes for spending days of your holiday cycling in unappealing urban environment. My philosophy is to keep it simple, have a great holiday and make new friends. I wish you well.
Love this - right on!
Its one of our goals to do bike touring in France....so that is so cool.
Cheers!
I like the foldable sleeping mat for the simplicity. Fold out and done. Also you can use it to sit on when in the tent, just lifts your but off the ground so you sit straight. You can also pop it out in the middle of the day to sit on or lie down and have a nap. In colder months i use both.
I guess I carry camp chairs so the sitting thing doesn't really matter to me - and to be honest I don't mind blowing up a pad either - but I don't roll into camp super late and jump right into bed anyways. I get it if super challenging trips are your thing and all energy needs to be conserved.
Great video! love that you start by saying, it's your vacation, do it your way. I still feel the need to rationalize my desire to credit card tour.
Thanks! Yes - lets stop rationalizing it and just owning that it is something we often want to do!
I should look into switching from using a sleeping bag to a quilt. I use a sleeping bag, wool blanket, sometimes an over sheet, and carry a bivy bag. I like using an inflatable sleeping pad with some foam to it. I've learned to cover my bike with a tarp while I sleep to protect it from rain and so the sun doesn't pop the tires. An extra set of tubes and lots of patch kits. I like to go an 2 week long trips, around 140 miles round trip, up into the foot hills of the mountains in Oregon. My highest elevation is about 4,000 feet.
This is great advice Tim. I think pre-loading (eating before you bonk) is so important but easily overlooked. Also- as you say the point of cycle touring is to ENJOY YOURSELF- so allowing lots of time for things along the way and don't get attached to the mileage (I had to lean this the hard way). Always buy quality gear- you will never regret it- my down sleeping bag s now 35 years old and still perfect for my needs....
Thanks! 100%. Awesome your bag has made it that far and goes to show that good gear pays for itself.
Dang! I should look into 35 year old gear
Thanks for this. After 4 months of inflating a mat, I used an accordion folded mat on my last trip as it is quick and fast to put down and pack!
I get that. People mentioned they like to sit on them too. I just don’t want something that big.
I really enjoyed your video you brought up a lot of very good points. I am an outdoor enthusiast, high quality gear is always worth the investment if you use it. Inow shy away from ultralight gear as it can be too fragile I prefer something that will last yet it's still light. I prefer tarp camping as I like the openness. Bugs in the southwest aren't too much of an issue.
Bugs and condensation- the worst things camping up here.
The refinement process is both rewarding and revealing. I’ve found: Organise your panniers well and balance them on the bike. You don’t need so much stuff! Tent that goes up quickly. Decent sleep mat. One pot cooking and a mug you can heat stuff up in. I’d like a Helinox-type chair too.
Low gearing. That’ll do from me!
Great video! I use the fold up non inflatable sleeping pad and I would say the main benefit is actually better heat retention in winter as opposed to an inflatable pad. That's my experiences ence anyway
That’s what I missed. Going to drop that fact in a video this week. A few people told me it’s for the insulation and not as much for comfort. Thanks!
I don't know is it really warmer than the top end Therma Rest though theyre R 7 I believe much more comfortable than those egg crates maybe not as quiet though & a bit more packing time
Sleep systems dependent upon situation. Inflatable mattress for short tent sleeps. Punctures suck on long hikes. Lately short or long trips whether it be hike, bike or canoe, it's been all about the hammock. The fold mattress advantages are thus: 1. fits and works well in (my) hammock. 2. One side (usually silver) signal reflectivity. 3. Wind shield for (cook) stove. Buy a long one and cut off three panels for a sit pad. Just some of the uses I have found!
Thanks Tim some great advice there. Your point about you can tour on any bike is so true. If only I had thought about that before I had a Roberts Tourer made for me over here in the UK. I have never really justified the amount I paid for it but its definitely a nice to have bike. Stay safe out there.
I’m glad you liked it! There is definitely nothing wrong with having a nice bike - I just don’t want people to think they have to break the bank to get out there. Cheers!
Love "do it the way you want to do it!"
Great tips! I'll add that having a phone holder on your bars just in case you want to navigate off the planned route - to hit a restaurant a stranger told you about, navigate a detour due to closed road/path, shorten the route for whatever reason. I don't keep the phone in the holder at all times - just pull it out when it could be helpful. (Personally, I'm looking forward to the day when we can revise our routes on the fly with our computers!)
Thanks! With the Wahoo I will now use the app to "route to place" - which has worked pretty well for me so far. It does reroute too when you make wrong turns. ....but definitely still need to use the phone and Google sometimes.
@@TimFitzwater Amazing! I have a Wahoo Roam, I wonder if I have that feature!
I like the savotta FDF sleeping pad and the military sleep system. I like the new surplus. And the lightfighter 2 person AI tent.
Zlite- foam cell mattresses are not warmer generally.. where they give you an advantage is being able to use them throughout the day when sitting or laying down taking a beak - Because they are big you generally keep them on the outside of your pack or somewhere on your bike and when you’re ready for a break you take unfold it and wallah you have a great place to lay or sit -- I have hiked the PCT twice and the CDT once -. 90 percent of hikers have a blow up pad for its comfort and warmth and most also carry some form and size of a foam pad to use as a sit pad --foam pads are generally 14 little rectangles I generally cut mine down to 4-5 pieces to use as my sit pad durning breaks --
Edit a word -
It's "Voilà". "Wallah" means "I swear to God" in Arabic. ;)
I can definitely say, I'd ride with you.. I love historical stuff and going out exploring to see new things and places. But that's what bike packing is all about, aside from roughing it while camping.
Love your content Tim. It’s like old school college radio bigging up new bands except it’s all about low key bike touring/commuting etc…. Ya touched on some key topics that most folks ask me about when I’m on trips or when talking at work about trips. I will say, the food intake is one of my fav parts of riding. We burn so many damn calories having fun, most can’t wrap their head around mileage to calories intake. Don’t need to count mileage/calories… just binge on your fav snacks! What other activities allow such gluttony! 😂
Thanks - yeah - was a punk rocker and skateboarder so I think that still informs my shooting style! So true - I was telling my parents after the last tour - its so nice to be on this kind of vacation because you can eat whatever you want with no guilt. (they are big on laying around the beach vacations).
Absolute wisest words words I think I've ever heard about bike trips. All makes complete sense, thank you.
Awesome! 😎
My reason 4 for camping: sleep better! On small campsites, I tend to sleep really well. Bigger ones are more of a problem because there will always be noisy folks somewhere, so I avoid big campsites. But man, small sites compared to hotels... I rarely sleep well in a hotel. They're expensive, often noisy and at the end of the day it's just a room without much of a view mostly. Not saying there aren't good hotels anywhere (I can think of two I've been to)... but if you're traveling through, chances are you'll pay lots and sleep little. Plus, you probably arrive late and aren't even using the room for the day time that you're also paying for.
I find the airmats are terrible insulators - even if they're supposed to be good and have a higher R value - so that's what a closed foam mat is for. Really helps keep you warm if you get cold more easily. But airmats are comfi, so I use both at once. If that's not enough, a fleece blanket really helps to put under you too (plus it weighs nothing and you can usually buy it last minute in any town for just 5 bucks). Some folks get cold more easily 👋🤷♀(from what I've read, that tends to be true for many women, plus when your hips (side sleeping) or butt (back sleeping) hit the ground through the airmat, that means zero insulation in those spots and the cold will seep through there.) Most of the cold comes from the ground, so getting that part right is important. So my budget sleeping tip would be: don't bother paying for an expensive airmat. Just get a cheap yet comfi one without (much) insulation (they pack down small and weigh less), then use a foam mat for warmth underneath. Unless you don't get cold easily or have a bodyshape that's basically a plank. Yes, the foam mats are bigger, but they are very light. I just stick mine at the side of my luggage on the back.
Good tips.
I would have to say all my friends who bought the cheaper air mats have had them spring leaks - my more expensive brand name one has never failed me.
I haven't done bikepacking in cold weather so have yet to need a foam style pad....
All my touring/Bikepacking has been in and around the Rocky Mountains and Deserts of the West. Touring looks very different in the east. I'm interested in it. I once carried 9L of water across the Pony Express in Utah/NV as there were no other options. Also have to carry more food as stops for provisioning are non--existent in some parts of the West. But the views are all worth it.
Using my 30 years of elk hunting via a tent, your information is on par with my hunting experiences. Great narrative - Thank you.
Closed cell foam pad advantages: much cheaper, can’t go flat, lighter, can be strapped outside of your bags instead of in them which can free up storage space inside your bags (even though they are much bulkier), and quick to deploy to sit or lay on during breaks.
Ah - a lot of people mention sitting - I carry a chair because of my back.
Good reasons - haven’t heard enough to switch though.
Finally!!! Great practical information 👏.
Thank you.
I have a very good quilt 0° rated. So much better than a sleeping bag.
I also have a very good sleeping inflatable mattress. Both quilt and mattress is top quality and lightweight packs down small too.
I believe in not cheaping out on gear.
The good equipment has been tested and tried and true. I took my time buying all my gear (4 years) buying things as I researched and them and saved to buy the top equipment gear.
I also believe in being comfortable while camping. No weight weenie here.
I need help with food...
Don't want to carry too much food but need to have the proper food for constant energy.
Mileage... whatever! Not important to me regarding how many miles per day. I've read too many bicycle tourist who pushed too hard and eventually it caught up with them; not just physically but mentally as well.
I'm fine with riding each day until I start feeling drained; also weather plays a big role in distance. Fighting a cross headwind all day is no fun.
Having a tailwind pushing you all day is great.
Too hot is no fun and can be dangerous if ignored. Cold isn't bad as long as you have all proper gear...layers and wool base layer.
I also don't ride at a fast pace. I tend to have to fight my tendencies to start doing it though.
Even riding at 7.5 mph average is still a good distance for 5-6 hours of riding. It's the Ol Tortoise and the Hair scenario. You'll last longer conserving your energy. And enjoy more of your tour.
Food is a difficult topic, because not every place has a large assortment of foods that is every 40 miles apart from one another.
Especially in the western part of the US.
What's some good staple basic foods that are easy to either cook or make right away?
Thanks for your video.
Awesome - interesting and all good points. It seems you have most of what works for you figured out! As mentioned we do eat out a fair bit but that is because of where we tour in the midwest and east. I find the backpacking, dehydrated food is the best for space, calories and ease. We always each carry a few with us. Then its just a matter of your snack preferences - which for me is usually dried figs and peanut M&Ms. My friends all tend to carry stroup waffles and maple syrup from Untapped. We usually get our camp meals at REI or order through our local bike shop. Any good camping/outdoor store should have a good selection.
If you are a meat eater Sardines/Tuna and Sausages are great. I always have Tortillas, Peanut Butter, Apples, Oatmeal, Carrots. Miso paste is awesome for replenishing salt and minerals.
@@TimFitzwater
I never got a notice that you replied to me. LOL.
My reply is...I'm not a huge fan of those OVERLY PRICED dehydrated meals, that are bought in the camping section of various stores.
They are just as expensive as eating out for one meal. Not very practical financially on a cycle tour. Plus I've tried a chicken Alfred pasta dehydrated meal. It tasted very bland like cardboard.
Because of those two things, I decided that's not for me.
Snack foods are easy to solve, breakfast as well. So I guess it comes down to a enjoyable replenishing meal for dinner.
Thanks again for your video. Not very many videos out there that are straightforward like your video is.
@@Mraquanetchris Yes, I do eat meat protein, definitely not a vegetarian like soooooooo many cyclists are.
Canned food is heavy if you have a few cans of whatever.
I guess just planning your route in between resupplies of food is the key.
Thanks
@@The-GreenHornet Totally. For me the bang for the buck with Sardines pays off.
I use the foldable mat as a windshield when cooking,sitpad,cold ground cover under the inflatable,kneepad etc
Great tips, I think one of the biggest things is just getting started and not letting lack of gear hold you back. My first couple overnight trips involved wrapping gear to my frame with duct tape since I didn't have much in the way of "proper" bags. You'll quickly figure out what gear you need and what you don't. Choosing a route with available shops is always smart too, in case you forgot something. Your first ride doesn't have to be across the wilds of Nevada.
Your tips reminded me a lot of a smaller channel on here, Paul Suchecki. He's got a real laid back "just go do it" approach to bike touring, and you both are great encouragement for people just starting out in this rewarding activity
I’ve watched his videos too and I do like that we are a few of the channels not trying to sell everyone on the latest and greatest….
Having subpar gear, you will definitely notice the difference in quality and weight.
I personally disagree with the "just go with whatever approach."
I'm a firm believer in paying for quality gear, which has been tried and tested.
Some folks just don't want to take the time to save money and make the commitment for quality gear.
I've watched Paul's videos, and all I can say is...we are all different in our touring philosophy I guess.
These national parks look so pretty, I'm jealous
It isn't the mountains of the West but there are lots of beautiful places here for sure!
"Off" brands such as Naturehike, Aegismax, & BRS make excellent camping gear at very affordable prices. I was turned on to them by the thru-hiking community.
Yup those are great quality for the money. Decathlon also offers good gear at great prices.
I call my sleeping bag a quilt, i like it zipped down during warm weather, or even on the same night snugged up. The pillow is any soft packable clothing stuffed under the air mat. happy trails.
My bag doesn’t zip down all the way - which is fine when it’s cold but I don’t like when it is too warm. Wish I had thought of that ahead of buying. I haven’t had luck being comfortable using my clothes as a pillow but a bunch of people have said that works for them. Thanks for stopping by!
Thanks for sharing these tips and tricks. I come from a backpacking background and everything makes a lot of sense. I am looking to transition into some rides and start biking after 10 years, again.
P.S
I am from Rochester, NY and thanks for showing off the Erie Canal. The canal is definitely a favorite ride of mine.
Glad they were helpful! We have a discord server if you are interested: discord.gg/KwsRqRET
Its nice because it is a smaller community that loves to be helpful so if you have any gear or route questions its a great spot to ask. We also give each other first dibs on used gear we sell which can be cool.(lot of good taste in the group).
We loved Rochester! I've been a couple times now. We rode from Rochester to Buffalo and back and I want to ride the rest some day.
So inspiring man! From the start to finish it was dope... Nice delivery of message...
Thanks for the little useful tips and tricks you shared.
Thanks - cheers!
Great video. Informative.
Thanks Roger!
Thanks Tim. Definitely helped me stop perseverating over price, features, etc. Going with the good stuff!
Heck yeah - you're welcome!
Honestly I’ve found that most of this outdoor stuff is just trial and error. Mistakes are part of the experience. As long as you have a good time doing it that’s all that matters.
For sure - thats how I learned....but if you can help people choose a direction or keep from making some of the simple mistakes...
...and not getting eaten by a bear.
@@TimFitzwater yes that is very true! Sorry if I came of as nit picky, it’s a great video.
Good video. Thanks. I've used inflatables and sooner or later (sometimes sooner) they fail. My last inflatable failed while on the White Rim Trail in Canyonlands National Park. Never again. Now I use a Slumberjack Z pad (accordion) It's good in cold or hot weather. I used it on the C&O Towpath without sheet or sleeping bag due to the heat of August. It was good even without a cover. Same for my pillow. I use a Coleman Fold and Go. Love it. No inflatables again for me. My tent is a Kelty Grand Mesa 2. Big enough, not heavy or light, just right. They might take up a little more room but that's ok with me. Coming up in a couple of weeks, the Katy Trail. Maybe 5 days, maybe 4, maybe 8. We'll take it as it comes at about 8-10 mph. Fast when it's easy, slow when it's hard. Lots to see.
My inflatable has never failed me - maybe it will at the beginning of a long tour and I won't be able to find the hole and it will change my mind. Until then I'm sticking with the extra comfort and size savings....
Good luck out on the Katy - I've heard great things about it! Would love to do it myself one day.
I don't underdtand all...but i enjoy your vids...vive le vélo .......
Lots of talking in this one! Bonne nuit!”
I like testing my bikes, and learning my limits by hauling groceries, since that is probably about a worst case load. I have found that is a good way to play with rack setups, bags, and fine tune old school rim brakes. There is something to be said about good, simple, and reliable components and often mid entry level, or vintage bikes meet that need very well.
Right on!
Based on my experences of over fifty years cycle touring and camping, I always try and find a rich widow when I stop for the night. Far more comfortable than sleeping in a tent, and if I'm on form a profit can be shown as well if monetary appreciation appears the following morning. Chapeau.
4:00 answer: PRICE ;)
I’m comfort over price these days.
Thank you for putting out this content, I'm starting my bike packing journey and this was helpful
If its warm enough i prefer to get into a tree and cover my self with a woman. Or a bike. Or a cat
I had a compression pillow that was too small and my blow up pillow was too uncomfortable so I stuffed my air pillow since it packed up small in with my compression pillow and use both. The air pillow to get your loft and the compression pillow for the softness and fabric. Works great!
This was an unexpected treat at the end of the day for me. That was a lot of information that you just dispensed with and it was a pleasure to listen to. Thanks.
Thank you! I appreciate it! 😎
Went on my longest round trip tour about 80 miles away (one way) and we all pitched in for a room. It was my first time doing that! And it was almost as fulfilling if not more so because of all the awesome stuff we encountered along the way! But I can’t deny how much I love bringing my tent with and doing some cool breakfast ideas on the Bunsen burner. And I look forward to hammock camping next year! It’s the thing about it; the versatility is what keeps it engaging and varied and a new experience every time! A new adventure. So I just love bike packing for that reason. And the community. And the challenge.
Heck yeah! I’ve really never had a bad time no matter which way we’ve done it. As you said - sometimes the challenge is fun. Other times having a room and a shower is great too.
I also have a Trek from that era with cross tires I adore. It can handle a frame bag, a tight saddle bag and small bar bag with synthetic fenders; but nothing else. So I appreciate your including that point. I built up a burlier Ti frame for all road touring but still love my old skinny steel bike.
Yeah - it really depends on what you plan to do. We just got back from a trip were I was so happy to have 55mm tires and modern mounting options. But I still love my old bikes too.
I also prefer a tent, to get more privacy and cover from bugs. I prefer an inflatable mattress and for a pillow I bring a nice pillowcase from home and put it over a clothing bag. The odd hotel can really give you that oasis in the desert feeling, but camping is generally better for the reasons you gave, plus the social aspects in campgrounds. Ultralight backpackers have a lot to teach regular backpackers and people doing cycle touring. One thing I learned for riding was to push all the weight up to the front with panniers on the front wheel. It makes it easier to climb hills, the weight is lower, and reduces the weight on the rear tire (what you're sitting on) so you get less flats. I keep very little in my handlebar bag, to keep from putting stress on the shifting cables.
One of the ways I could play tourist for the day in a city was to drop my bike off at a bike store for a tune up and then get it back before they closed or the next day, so I could see the sights and have my bike somewhere safe. If you're on a major cycling tour, they're generally enthusiastic about helping you out. Doing some research before you hit those city stops and figuring out the bike shops that are more plugged into the cycling community is a good idea if you're doing this.
Keeping the weight lower is definitely nice for handling - but not practical on all bikes. Weight towards the front just depends on frame geometry - there is no one size fits all approach.
I get what you are saying about dropping the bike off - I generally just always want to ride - even when playing tourist.
Keeping in mind where shops are definitely matters - we try to be self-sustainable but you can't plan for everything that can go wrong.
My sleep system is a tarp, an accordion sleep pad, a hammock, and a mummy sack. Endless variety of options. I leave on my next month long trip tomorrow. Woohoo!
Awesome - have a blast!