I FINALLY Got It Working: RTX 3080 TI Vs Ridiculous MSI Pre-Built
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 พ.ค. 2022
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I finally get the RTX 3080 Ti to run in the ridiculous MSI Pre-built. Well it kinda runs.
The first video where I "accidentally" killed the original MSI system: • This RIDICULOUS MSI Pr...
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That would make me so drunk I would forget how to pick up a glass
GeeTee Ten Thiddy!
My liver can only take so much
When does he say thiddy?
@@Void_Dweller7 Thiddy-eighty tea eye
Dawid's moans whenever he wrestles with PC components never fail to crack me up
My mom weighs 400 pounds because I feed her 50 big macs a day
*moans*
"Almost sexual, isn't it, Smithers?"
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@@mad82827 the fuck? 🤣🤣🤣
It's literally PC Pr0n!
What an adventure! You traversed the PC of Death, conquered the Proprietary Valley of Hell and eventually got your noble Stead (the 3080Ti) to perform on the Battlefield... at 75%... which is better than the fainting it was doing at the mere sight of the Battlefield when it was Gung-Ho at 100%
Knightly done
lol what a great way to describe the video!
An adventure indeed!
I'd say he earned an honorary engineering degree.
Steed
You have such a way with words. 😃
Can you consider them "hot swappable" if you've got to spend half an hour getting to them? 🤣
Haha!! That’s fair.
They'll still be hot from all that restricted airflow in the case.
🤣
@@stragulus yes
war thunder american tanker male voice . III AGREEE !!!
9:30
David: "My finger can barely fit between the bracket and fan."
Some effective manager from MSI:"It's still fit whole finger! In next generation we should build case half inch slimmer!"
Haha!! That’s exactly how they would look at that.
It's not meant for fingers !
I bought one of the original Aegis models back in the day because it claimed that it's easy to upgrade. Good God I quickly found out that that couldn't be further from the case.
That's as close to the truth as the similar claim for Dell's Alienware laptops. The one where they got a class action lawsuit for
They really sold it as being easy to upgrade? 😂
@Michaels Carport it’s easy to upgrade*
*the keyboard
You have to upgrade your head if you’re seriously claiming that
I dunno Alan, it seems to me the problem is not "further from the case", but actually IN the case.
5:51 ...or the replacement psu is not compatible even with the adapter. Those motherboards that use proprietary connectors are quite picky about the PSU that you use. You might get it to start if you hold or press the power button at the exact time that you plug it in AC power if it's anything like HP's proprietary junk.
Im pretty sure Silverstone is one of the few, if not only, reputable companies that makes power supplies in weird form factors lol.
They make a lot of weird stuff
Silverstone can be pretty hit or miss
I've heard good things about them
But in my own personal experience, I had a 750w 80+ gold Silverstone power supply burn/melt the 5v portion of the SATA power cable that came with it.
All that was connected to it was a fan hub with 3 fans on it, so it wasn't an issue of too much power draw, and it also wasnt a case of a loose connection, cause it was fitted snugly.
At least it didn't take any other components with it, but I'll still never buy a Silverstone PSU again.
@@werewolfmoney6602 I'd assume it was the fan hub doing something janky, did you reuse it?
Enhance make flex u1 psu too, i think the 7660B is better than the Silverstone one.
@@kojetono5853 it wasn't the fan hub, I have been using the hub for about a year since this happened with no issues.
The sata power cable itself burned up about 6 inches before the connection point, so I've gotta assume there was a short in the cable itself inside the rubber insulation.
It was brand new, first time powering it up with the cable connected, and I didn't do anything to it that could have broken the cable inside or damaged the insulation and exposed the wire.
It just comes back to Silverstone having shitty quality control standards, but try telling them that. They refused my RMA for something that was 100% their fault and could have potentially burned my whole house down.
Never again. I buy Corsair PSUs now. They've got Johnnyguru working on their power supplies, and while I know you can't just blindly trust big companies, I trust Johnny.
Dell engineers have worked on this case design, with the hotswap bays hidden behing stuff you can't get at
It does seem suspiciously like Dell design was involved.
Maybe it always crashes in the menu because it's allowed to render as many fps as possible. That kind of behavior was killing dozens of 3080s and 3090s in that Open World Amazon game I can't remember. You can try limiting the fps using RTSS to eg. 120 fps and without the power limit set to 26 %. Then if that works and you are actually in the game, you could disable the fps limiter using a hotkey (Afterburner settings) and see the whole system slowly melt into a single blob of magic goo.
Solid retrofit though! Makes sense to just remove anything extraneous you won't use and have a modern system inside. Switch to like a 3060 Ti and you'll basically have a 1080p beast machine.
4:59 Love that classic Top Gear reference
Every time I watch a Dawid Breaks Tech video followed by a Dawid Mends Tech video, I always think I am watching a mad scientist rather than a PC builder.
Where did you get the strange idea that Dawid was a PC Builder?
The fan on that thing is as thick as it is wide! Good to know about the Cybernetics rating too, thanks for that!
Wrestling new components into proprietary cases is always fun, I've done it a few times now. It's oddly satisfying when you get the thing working.
takes mad skill to turn a 3080 ti build into a grade A dumpster fire. Love the content
Look at it Look at it
You should try adapting 2 molex to an 8-pin so the load is split between the daisy chain 8-pin and molex cables 😂
1 molex connector is rated to put out max 54Watts . Even with 2 molex connectors, there is not enough power to replace an 8-pin which is rated to do 150W per connector. A molex connector has only 1 cable for 12V rail. An 8pin PCI-e cable has 3 cables for 12V rail. In the worst scenario, the overheating cables can catch fire. That 3080Ti can pull over 300+Watts.
That would make for a very interesting PC fire. 😂
@@DawidDoesTechStuff i managed to melt a molex to pcie adapter just with the help of a old radeon 6950 2gb direct cu2 that thing is even bigger in size than that 3080ti you had LOOOL
My only PC fire was when the molex connector burnt out on a fairly new at the time Radeon 9800, and that was when cards and peripherals were actually powered off molex. Never trusted them since...
But Dawid that power supply is only 600W :( btw my name is Gary.
Looks like you need a 3D-printed shroud to direct the CPU airflow out the gap where the stock heatsink was originally positioned.
Oh man, Dawid, with some proper gpu undervolt tuning, I bet you could make this system work excellently.
That’s true! Although to be fair, any reasonable CPU pairing would still catch on fire unfortunately. 😞
@@DawidDoesTechStuff ah right, I was forgetting the cpu and kitchen cupboard case limitations. I've just been amazed by how well ampere undervolts and I don't see it discussed much. With my 3070 I can get higher benchmarks and performance with an undervolted overclock than the stock config. And for about 10% less performance, I can tune it to draw about half to 60% of the full wattage.
Great content man 👍
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I still cant get over how that motherboard had not only 2 M.2 drives, they were on the back of the tiny dead mobo, and they were different brands.
Dawid, nobody else makes tech stuff quite like you, thanks for the excellent content as always
To make it work in that case, there should be a "Insert 20c" slot on top of the case, when you insert your money this will then make the system turn on for 30 seconds and you can ride it. I remember seeing these cases when I was a kid out side shopping centers next to candy machines.
Damn that case tho. Prebuilts today are made likes bricks
I saw this coming and im not surprised congrats for getting it running again though!
The single pcie cable won't be an issue. There's 3 12v conductors each carrying less than 100w(PSU end) which is around 8A @12v. That's really not that much. Your car stereo (head unit) draws more than that (10A+) on the same sized conductor.
It's because the 3080ti can have short term power spikes that are tripping the PSU. That's why when you click in the BF menu it was failing at less power level than when you slowly increased it in-game. There's something in that menu causing one of the short term spikes. You then exceeded the trip point in game(long term power plus spikes) at 60%+, but it wouldn't get out of the BF menu at that level (tripped at 60% in menu, could game at near 75% if increased after whatever causes the spike in menu)
It wasn't the cable (in fact GN actually tested power over a single split 8 pin in one of their videos and needed to draw crazy power to cause an issue on a big PSU. Even with a crappy extension added)
Yes, the 3090 also has big short term power spikes. I had it paired with a 700W 80 Plus Platinum rated PSU and that would still trip. Put a 1200W in for good measure.
Also, consider the PSU rails. If you have multiple, you can split the components across them. I think FlexPSUs just have a single rail, so also not ideal.
I like how at the end of the video, he replaced all of the PC's main components lmao
Oh and also thank you for giving this build a chance. I did NOT know the PSU was going to be that much of a struggle. I am also sad about the original main board.
it shows just how over design that pc case is when it has stuff that's not even used on it🤣
15:12 Ouch... that really hurt man... it's happen to me when not warming up the cpu before changing CPU Cooler... also fear that Pin will bent like that tho
If you pull straight up, it's damn near impossible to bend a pin. Its when you try pulling at an angle or twisting that you'll have bent pin hell. So, try to put some downward pressure when you're twisting the cooler to free it.
MX-5 thermal paste is like glue and is always monstrous to disengage, heat or not.
@@rustler08 oh... i'm just using Thermal grizzly... sometimes i'm using stock thermal paste that including with CPU Cooler
Dawid you make the best funniest tech videos I ever seen man hope your channel keeps on growing man wish ya the best dawid
Yes!
I look at his subs and wounder how I can like in a universe where he isn't over 1million? C'mon people, we need Dawid to have the Gold Play Button!!!
Dawid has far exceeded Linus when it comes to comedy. I bet Dawid could even do a successful standup act about PCs.
Totally NOT funny ! I think it is just sad !
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 why sad? Does someone need hugs?
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 You know what pal, I will do you a favor and look for who ever asked.
talk about commitment and following through...WOW.
I learnt something new, didnt know the cybernetics badge might be a better indicator of safety than 80 plus. thanks for that!
I used to work at Fry's Computer Repair department and we had one of those come in. It had a 1080 (not sure if TI) with a 650w psu and the costumer was wondering why it would shut off when he loaded some games. He was lucky it didn't fry the other parts. Due to the form factor there wasn't much we could do so he had to go through MSI and i believe they installed the wrong PSU unit on that model. I was also shocked to see laptop ram in desktops around that time. It was normally used in low end, sub 300 dollar computers. It almost looked like they took a laptop they didn't sell, pulled out the MB and put it in a rejected case and sold it. People tried to upgrade them, but the motherboard lacked PCI slots, the power cables and heat sink were all proprietary, and the ram was sometimes soldered onto the MB so literally nothing was upgrade-able.
The 1080 has a recommended wattage of 500. so I'm not sure what you're talking about
The PSU standard you say is "proprietary" is not. In Europe, for example, OEM manufacturers have to use the "ATX 12VO" standard, which is more modern than the current PSU standard (24Pin) we use for custom PCs. Also they can be smaller and are way more efficent than current PSU´s.
I would say that this newer standard will also make its way into custom PCs in the next 1-2 years.
I don't know what was more entertaining... The video or the amount of work Dawid put into making the video. Great job man!
Dawid is about to become TH-cam's deep investigate Hardware Power guru, and i'm all for it!
Now he just needs to figure out that 6950XT from earlier...
But seriously toying around with efficiency, powerlimits and undervolting is super interesting and should be touched on more often!
You should make this a series!! Seeing how powerful of a Flex psu you can get, and how much of the 3080ti you can use!!
Nice vid love to see you do something with that case But the original configuration actually wasn’t that bad
1u psu is super fun, built several htpcs with em. The enhance 7660b is amazing (the silverstone one you are using is probably a re-brand of it).
Great video, Dawid! I do wonder if you were to draw power from another PSU lane (SATA/MOLEX?) and use a 120MM AIO (would be fun to watch you rig that up top) if you could actually get some better performance out of it. Regardless, fun video and thanks for making great content!
Thank you for your service, Dawid.
Cool! A lot of knowledge in this video, very interesting experiments we have here. The most relevant thing for me was the Ryzen 3600 doing bottleneck to the 3080Ti. I didn't expect that.
You ran into a lot of trouble to fine tune this Frankenstein's monster of a computer... Great vid !
I think it has to do with power spikes vs low capacity caps to absorb the spike due to the limited size of the flex PSU since full load is probably under 400watts for the system when gaming at 75% power limit. Recent nvidia and amd gpus have momentary spikes to about double their tdps
I'm pretty sure it's just the single PCIe cable. I expect if there was a molex on that PSU it could be adapted to run the other PCIe connector.
@@wayland7150 you would be surprised at how much you can power through a single cable (I gpu mine) its the power spikes and since it was only one pcie cable out of the psu it probably was not expecting and was designed for 300w+ tdp gpus
what a start to a video. get it to run terribly even if it costs me a finger. what a legend
This video brought back memories I've had suppressed for decades from my first PC like ptsd.
My first ever pc was a Dell back in the 90s. Pentium 4 powered for those that remember that old tank of a single core processor. As I was getting into gaming it became its baked in graphics just wasn't enough. But it did have an open slot for AGC? I honestly can't what the old slot was called before PCI. So we picked up a radeon graphics card. Keep in mind this was before Amazon, and there weren't really any pc hardware stores around so taking a week or two for parts was the norm, keep this in mind. At the time would have made about the most powerful gaming combo for the time. I was so excited. Only to find out, there wasn't a plug for it off the factory psu. Not a big deal we ordered a new psu. After it arrived we went to install it to find that dell had proprietary connections on the Mobo. They literally were switching wires around and we likely had fried it. But reguardless, that meant we now needed to order a new mobo. Went to install it and wouldn't you know it both the factory cooler and the case mounts were proprietary. In the end what we thought was going to be a graphics card installation turned into literally months of ordering and then waiting on parts which resulted in an almost entirely new PC that could only repurpose the Ram, HDD, and disc drive. Which of course in the era of PCs literally moving leaps and bounds was already no longer the top of the line powerhouse we had hoped and was completely outdated by dual core processors a year or so later. Such is life.
I actually somewhat like the design of that case. I wonder if you could turn it into a "useful" system with something like a 5700g on that ITX board and maybe an AIO as the cooler with the Rad beeing externally mounted.
Dawid's local tech recycling place have to just look on in awe at some of the stuff he brings in.
9:51 hopefully we dont cause some "silicon fusion" today or "silly confusion" today
good one😂
The amount of effort put into this video. 👍🏼
In just a few days dawid has become my favourite tech youtuber, awesome videos and sarcasm
The thing about power....If they won't allow you to take away enough power on the slider, lowering the clock does everything. Lower temp, less power draw, and lower voltages too. Mostly only need to do something like that if you want to lower the temp/power. It's pretty impressive how much high end GPUs can do even with lower clocks.
bye in the end was so good
This project is a masochists delight 😁 Bravo Dawid for sticking it out 👍
the use of proprietary parts is almost unforgivable and subject to permanent banishment from the hall of computer justice
That thing, with the CPU getting so stuck to the cooler happened to my Ryzen 5 5600G as well. I was so scared it had destroyed the mounting mecanism or the CPU but it was working well still.
1:47 noo please stop I’m offended!!!
Great video Dawid 😂👍🏽
15:15 "OOOOWWWWOOOOO"
Nice video! Thank you ! Re your thermal paste application - use the X method. Pugeut systems, Cisco and I think AMD all recommend this and the former has done for for around 10years.
If you put a black screen and put this audio this time 5:01 it will sound something completely different
Wow those Be Quiet AIO's are sick! It has a frkn fill port!
The issue is that with high fps swings Ampere has really bad transient spikes, like 3x the normal power draw for a couple milliseconds. And small fort factor PSUs don't have enough capacitance to handle the wild swing. Some of the ATX 80+ Titanium PSUs have the same issue because part of getting efficiency up is reducing the amount of capacitance. Adding in a frame rate cap to reduce how large the FPS swings are going into menus helps a lot.
If I had a penny for every time Dawid says power supply, I could afford a 3080ti
Had the EXACT same issue with my new 3080 Ti and my Seasonic Focus Plus 750W.
Protip: being a savage would've (probably) helped. I was having issues even at 50% with RDR2 (had issues just loading into a game) but undervolting to 0.80v let me play fine until I got my Leadex Titanium.
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"Explode under load" 🤣 god I love your content David ! 😆
Great video. The new PSU was amazing.
Its actually becouse those ''power spikes'' that the gpu does, once can fully working on once eg 40% power limit and once it can trigger overpower protection on psu. I know it from experience i had to replace my rm750i to seasonic focus gx-1000 to fully working with my r9 3900x (the gpu im talking is rtx 3080 gamerock from palit)
That suggests that a power contitioner (inline bundle of capacitors) might be able to ammelorate the problem for a small number of users.
An exceedingly high quality set of 'power filter extensions' (comissioned from InfiniteCables) would appear for sale shortly... ((If I could use my CC (too many merchant-services are so terrified of Visa punishing them that they reject my tranactions and lie to me about it being my bank/card-issuer being the problem...))
I'm running a 5800x / 3080 12Gb (non-Ti) on a TX750M - should I be considering a bigger PSU? No issues thus far, though.
@@Varmint260 at least be prepared. On my case once i can game few hours without crash and the next day the same game will turn off my system
@@Colingamer551 Thanks! I'll keep an eye on it; if it does anything sketchy I'll look at an upgrade.
Watching the sponsor segment while in the comment setion, making dawod money and boostinf the video, now that's peak productivity (also like and sub)
Dawid, you know you can extract the pins from the smaller MSI plastic front panel connector and put the in a standard plastic connector. That would make so much more sense.
Uploaded at the perfect time lol (after work). Thanks!
Great video!
I am running a shoebox pc with a 5600x and a 3060ti with a 500w flex psu, and it runs perfect all day long but was curious what would happen if I upgraded the video card. Well, now I know, can't go to a 3080
Any decent power supply will simply shut down if you attempt to draw too much power from it, not explode and kill the motherboard… So you should be fine trying the 3080 and see how it goes before upgrading the PS.
Note: Make sure you have a way to measure the input amperage (wattage), then multiply by 0.8 to determine how much power is actually being produced during your testing.
Note 2: nVidia recommends using a (minimum) 750 watt power supply with a 3080, so you'll probably need a more capable power supply.
I would love to see you actually modify this case... It's such a sweet little case
This is super cool! The next thing I want to see you do is destroy the internals of the case and make it actually decent for thermals and get that 850w power supply for MAXIMUM POWER!
Rookie move in removing HSF from 5300.AMD pros know to twist first.
FWIW, the 3600 is pretty unremarkable in BF5 due to the game optimizations. 4K before seeing much CPU usage is about right. This 'power box' gaming PC is not aimed at 4K in any case, unless running 'Among Us'.
28% power limit is actually kinda insane
Wonder if a 3d printed directional shroud for the cpu cooler would help
You can just repin the cases front panel connector to a standard one. Done thins few times with HP Slimeline machines.
love you vids bro
6:04 No, the next step is checking if the adapter cable you used actually has the correct pinout.
It's actually quite common for obscure ATX adapter cables to be wired incorrectly...
The fact that the 3080ti got 60-65 fps at 110w-120w compared to a Pascal card from 2016 drawing 150-160w and pushing almost double the frames shows you just how efficient the Pascal architecture really was. The GTX 1070, when a 'mid-range' gaming card actually had a mid-range price.
A couple notes...
I've plenty of experience with proprietary boards. That Acer thing looks like an attempt at something vaguely inspired by the MiniDTX spec, which IIRC was basically the brilliant idea of "hey, let's make MiniITX, but, you know, bigger..." in the sort of sense of 'brilliant idea' that one has after a few too many at the local watering hole ;) there's a formal spec out there somewhere, I think, but... well, let's just say it's not been used terribly much! I wouldn't mind a crack at trying to revive that board, if it's not yet hit the bin (please eWaste responsibly!) but that might get expensive as I'm in the USA. I do want to be clear, though, that if I get it running, I want to keep it!
Heatpipes can bend... doesn't look good but as long as they don't _break_ they're fine. Also fans can be swapped on coolers, and fan shrouds can be cut and axial fans turned into blowers by doing so and then adding a lid... and if you don't mind fabricating brackets (tin snips, a bit of scavenged hardware from a 'real' cooler, and a spare expansion slot bracket is really all you need), you can absolutely use laptop coolers on desktop stuff, just mind your TDP -- make sure the cooler can handle the CPU watts. SDP should have a B in front of it, at least double those numbers if you can find no actual TDP info at all.
That front panel connector is very likely 2mm pitch rather than 2.54mm/0.1in pitch, which is standard. Adapters are not hard to find lol.
While not truly a mortal sin, if you're very, very desperate, and very, very careful, you can actually cut short some power supply cables, and have the system run fine. Given what channel this is, however, and the, erm, standards to which it holds itself, however... perhaps that might best be avoided here.
BTW, that system seems to be an MSI Aegis Series 3... pretty rare around here. A pity, it looks AWESOME. I envy you.
i mean follow the leads of the old font i/o and cut the old connection solder new leads to the appropriate io, the case is pretty neat to reuse and repurpose instead of going to Ewaste hell
3D print a shroud for the cpu fan to fix the thermals on it. Or make one out of cardboard and foil tape and cover the foil tape with clear tape so it doesn’t short anything
I died when Dawid moaned after getting his fingers stuck in the pc 😂
Another fun video, thanks!
You were on a mission to make that power supply's life miserable 😂
You should build this case with all of the best stuff
Just over 6 minutes in and the phrase "Trigger's broom" is very much in my head.
okay but those hidden hot swappable hard drive caddy's were actually pretty cool.
Good old TopGear references, gotta love it
Glad youre starting to get sponsors like be quiet thats pretty awesome.
Hey, Dawid. I went through the same thing with this system. I bought the 10-pin adapter, and when I did some research, the 10-pin is a different pinout than the pins on the motherboard. You would apparently need to swap the pins in the adapter on both sides in order to get it to power up correctly. I think even the "PS_ON" pin is different on the motherboard than the one on the adapter, so technically the motherboard might be alive because the PSU never received the signal to send any power, which would probably have killed the motherboard. Why not do a video where you swap the pins on the adapter and try again? I can send you links to the information I found if you like! I never tried mine because I sold the i7 out of the motherboard first and didn't have another CPU to try it!
I expected linoooooooodddddeeeeeeeee, very dissapointed in you Dawid.😢
Ahoy Dawid - always look forward to your videos. Any reason you didn't use the ENP 7660B VK? Cables too short?
Strip the extra crap out of the case, have just the board and a couple of NVME drives, water cool the CPU and the GPU, and find somewhere good to mount the fans and radiators. I think that's a nice case if it will do that.
you should see if a gt 710 can kill an old prebuilt with a 240-250w stock psu.
Yes I would love to see that lol
I was waiting for the return of this venereal disease of a computer 😂
The inside of the pc Reminds me strongly of most dell desktops these days with weird power connectors and over engineered spots to put things like the hardrives
wow I didn't realise how much FlexATX power supplies sucked, Great video as always!
I recognise the mobo from your ikea desk pc build
If you wanted to continue this you could try using one of the 1200watt server grade flex power supply's