Interesting video, thanks. We have solar panels and are looking at ways to be more energy efficient. Mostly insualtion at the moment, but I expect we will move all electric eventually.
Nice one , they are the future as most new builds now don’t have gas...! You can also get a system version and hook up to a mega flow for decent hot water pressure , Ive fitted a few and they are very easy compared to a gas boiler and are ideal when a flue run is a problem , as for running cost’s gas is cheaper per kw hour.... 👍
Thank you for that. It's definitely the way forward. Would a normal 3 bed semi be too big for this boiler to handle? Gas is a third of the cost of electricity but electric boilers are double the efficiency so the running costs shouldn't be 3x that of gas. Still dearer though.
Brilliant video, but would you have one? This is the small one, they go to 27kwh! Would require 3 phase supply. Do they modulate down? Would need weather comp. Opentherm. What would the D NO say about a block of flats full of them? Were told not to do the washing between the 4 & 7pm, this jobbie could cost a lot to run on a variable tariff. Would not storage heaters and immersion be cheaper to run? Just saying!
Really interesting, however surely the 12 kW option would not be sufficient for a reasonable DHW flow, especially in winter, when you consider that most gas combi's are at least 24kW.
Nice install, I am guessing that the new DHW flow rate is less than the old system, (comparison would of been good), hope they have solar, as I can imagine their electric bill rocketing with that unit, wonder how it will cope with potential dirt in the system which could occur and possible scale, time will tell I am sure... old unit was a beast to remove tho. nice job. well done.
Yeah not as good a flow rate as the old one but it's a 2 bed flat so it's sufficient for them. Not sure about the future plans for solar but it's an option for sure!
It was a standard 18th edition fusebox that the electrician installed. It will do a bath but will take longer as the flow rate on the electric combis is only around 7/8 litres per min
Tepeo Zeb worth a look as you can store heat in it at eco 7 rates overnight and consume in the day. Regular electric boiler like this would work well with batteries, either in conjunction with solar or charging them overnight on eco 7.
You should be able to run around 8-10 rads. Hot water flow rate isn't the best on the electric combis yet, around 7/8 litres per min on a 12kw and around 9 on a 15kw. Running a bath will struggle a bit but showers, taps, etc no problem
did the incoming fuse need to be checked before you did this job.. some houses only have a 60am or 80amp main fuse.. and with other appliances running aswell as the boiler i would think it would blow the main fuse... i know there is something called 'diversity' whicvvh means everything in the houose wont be running at the same time.. but i guess you dont want to be on the limit if the incoming main is only 60am or 80amp.. great video! thanks
@@brendanfisher2528 we had an electrician do that part of the job, he did say there was only a 60A main fuse but he worked out that it would be fine as there wasn't anything else with a large load and unlikely the boiler would be running at full capacity for long periods of time
Really informative video and ...would that boiler work for hot water on demand only for 2 showers and a kitchen...I have storage central heating and I'm happy to leave that as is. ??? any help and advice would be appreciated.
Thanks, for your circumstances you would be better off with either a direct unvented cylinder or a direct thermal store as you would get better hot water delivery 👍🏾
Hi Will this boiler featured in this video be good to run a full standard bath tub and if so at what flow rate would it be, and would it be constant hot flow as a gas combi boiler would do?
He mentions the flow rate at 17:12 and quotes 9L/min The cheaper electric boiler models can be as low as 5L/min so beware The boiler here (ECA Arceus) comes in different versions, from 12 up to 27Kw. This was the 12Kw model and, from the figures I was able to find, is rated at 8L/min (not 9). The notes state that at 8L/min you may have to turn down the flow rate to fill a bath. For some context, the NHBC guidance recommend restricting flow rates at the output as follows: Basin, Sink & shower - 6L/min, Bath - 9L/min. As a result, this unit my struggle when filling a bath, especially if that output hasn’t been restricted.
@@Ironbuket Thanks for the response and detail on this mate, my 1 bedroom flat isn't connected to the mains and I've been trying to make the decision between an a big unvented cylinder and a combi boiler. I love a bath (practically have one every day) and if these combi boilers are going to have an issue filling a decent size bath (mines 1800) then a big cylinder seems like a better option possibly... any tips would be ace
@@RagTimeJack Just to clarify, you will still be able to fill a bath, but it means you can’t just turn the tap on full else a boiler, rated in power as this one, wouldn’t be able to keep up. The situation gets worse if someone is using the boiler elsewhere at the same time (sink or heating was on). Im far from an expert on this, but we have been exploring electric boilers as an option to replace our old gas combi. I found there is very little info out there on this kind of setup (electric combi and nothing else). People almost always have a water cylinder when using an electric boiler. If you are considering combining this with solar power you have to have a cylinder or some kind of thermal storage else getting the panels is a waste of time (they cant directly feed enough power into an electric boiler to run it - even with storage batteries you cant get enough). Also beware that not all electric boilers can accept hotwater input and so are not compatible with solar heated water. Things are far more complicated than just electric boilers cost more to run, there are many other things different about them and you can easily get screwed over by an installer if you don’t do your own research. If you just have a gas combi on the wall doing everything, I haven’t seen any examples yet of someone swapping one out for a more powerful electric combi of this style without having to add extra stuff elsewhere in the home also
@@Ironbuket Hey Man, thanks for all the extra info! I had a look online and also consulted with my plumber a bit more. Tested my water pressure and it looks like I'm getting 11 litres per min out of my cold mains. Looks like for that to be something a combi can keep up with ill have to get a 25KW electric combi on average which would be fine....unfortunately it seems like you need to have 3 phase electric for a boiler of that KW so I'm going to go for a nice size unvented cylinder for my nice hot baths and showers!
Hi, what is DHW flow rate and temperature rise as a gas combi 28kw could deliver 10lpm@35 c temperature rise ? I'm thinking less than 5 lpm Nice install
Hi CP, approximate how much does this cost, Removal of old gas combi, disposal, fitting and wiring of new electric combi. Just an approximate amount please. And do you also cover Watford Herts.. Many Thanks
@@cputilitysolutions Thank you the prompt response. Yes, there is a u-shaped flexible braided hose with handle valves at either ends connecting the cold water input and DHW outlet. I assume that similar to a Valiant Gas Combi one opens the DHW outlet valve and then gradually opens the cold water input valve until the required pressure gauge level is achieved?
£3.70 a hour in electric..... 31p per kW rate at the moment. Heating on 5 hours a day? (2 hour morning, 3 hour evening) £18.50 a day. £550 a month.... Er na. If you have huge solar and battery bank yes. Mental to change from gas to this in the current climate.
@@cputilitysolutions that's a very good point! It is the future. Just need a drop in electric rates then I'd have one 😁 get these fusion reactors up and running, free electricity for all.
Not every day you will have the heating on all the time, only in a very cold winter would you possibly manage that which we don't get any longer! Electricity rate at the moment is 28.5p per unit.
I guess anyone can install an electric boiler as it's just connecting water pipes to it, you'd just need an electrician to do the electrical side of it
Hello mate do you cover stoke-on-Trent ? If you do then how much is the price for removing gas boiler and installation electric boiler full price? Thanks 🙏
Interesting video, thanks. We have solar panels and are looking at ways to be more energy efficient. Mostly insualtion at the moment, but I expect we will move all electric eventually.
It will be intresting to do a comparison of the runnuing costs compared with n/g
Nice one , they are the future as most new builds now don’t have gas...!
You can also get a system version and hook up to a mega flow for decent hot water pressure , Ive fitted a few and they are very easy compared to a gas boiler and are ideal when a flue run is a problem , as for running cost’s gas is cheaper per kw hour.... 👍
Yeah the main reason to go electric here was due to the awkward flue run 👍🏽
Nice job
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Thank you for that. It's definitely the way forward. Would a normal 3 bed semi be too big for this boiler to handle?
Gas is a third of the cost of electricity but electric boilers are double the efficiency so the running costs shouldn't be 3x that of gas. Still dearer though.
Brilliant video, but would you have one? This is the small one, they go to 27kwh! Would require 3 phase supply. Do they modulate down? Would need weather comp. Opentherm. What would the D NO say about a block of flats full of them? Were told not to do the washing between the 4 & 7pm, this jobbie could cost a lot to run on a variable tariff. Would not storage heaters and immersion be cheaper to run? Just saying!
Really interesting, however surely the 12 kW option would not be sufficient for a reasonable DHW flow, especially in winter, when you consider that most gas combi's are at least 24kW.
Nice install, I am guessing that the new DHW flow rate is less than the old system, (comparison would of been good), hope they have solar, as I can imagine their electric bill rocketing with that unit, wonder how it will cope with potential dirt in the system which could occur and possible scale, time will tell I am sure... old unit was a beast to remove tho. nice job. well done.
Yeah not as good a flow rate as the old one but it's a 2 bed flat so it's sufficient for them. Not sure about the future plans for solar but it's an option for sure!
Would be good to see that switchboard once upgraded. Do you think that boiler you installed be enough for a bath tub.
It was a standard 18th edition fusebox that the electrician installed. It will do a bath but will take longer as the flow rate on the electric combis is only around 7/8 litres per min
12 KW boiler what's the actual usage within 24 hours???
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Thanks man 👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽
Nice job 👏
Thanks 👍🏽
I’ve got to do one , this was a massive help 👌
@@davebayliss3142 good stuff!
Tepeo Zeb worth a look as you can store heat in it at eco 7 rates overnight and consume in the day.
Regular electric boiler like this would work well with batteries, either in conjunction with solar or charging them overnight on eco 7.
Nice one
Tepeo Zeb doesn't offer a combo boiler though. They are planning on releasing one but for now you'll need a separate water cylinder
Would this be ok on underfloor heating systems? ..
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it 👍🏽
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Nice boiler how much does it cost
Hi, what are those 2 black boards with connectors in above back of your van ? Are they led COB boards ?
They're Unilite torches mate, I just stick them inside the cab so I can grab them when I need them
I like that never seen a electric boiler before, just one question what's a PRV you keep saying
PRV is a pressure relief valve
Can fill bath
constant
Where are these available for the Republic of Ireland 🇮🇪?
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For new learner any advice bro ?
Great video how many radiators can you run off it etc and bathrooms ?
You should be able to run around 8-10 rads. Hot water flow rate isn't the best on the electric combis yet, around 7/8 litres per min on a 12kw and around 9 on a 15kw. Running a bath will struggle a bit but showers, taps, etc no problem
What sort of money is it to get one of these fitted.?
It just sucks you have to give the DNO a heads up before installation as they can refuse if the local electrical supply isn't enough.
How much roughly cost to get the old system out completely and put a new one in
You can do vertical flue then sue flashing seal up probably need a roofer but it is missions a lot of work involved to be fair
Also there was another floor of flats above us as well so that wouldn't have been a possibility
@@cputilitysolutions got work smart not hard 👍
Nice job. How many mm cable from the rotary breaker to the boiler?
Thanks, it was 10mm 👍🏽
@@cputilitysolutions Thanks. Good to know. Never installed an electric boiler before.
did the incoming fuse need to be checked before you did this job.. some houses only have a 60am or 80amp main fuse.. and with other appliances running aswell as the boiler i would think it would blow the main fuse... i know there is something called 'diversity' whicvvh means everything in the houose wont be running at the same time.. but i guess you dont want to be on the limit if the incoming main is only 60am or 80amp.. great video! thanks
@@brendanfisher2528 we had an electrician do that part of the job, he did say there was only a 60A main fuse but he worked out that it would be fine as there wasn't anything else with a large load and unlikely the boiler would be running at full capacity for long periods of time
Really informative video and ...would that boiler work for hot water on demand only for 2 showers and a kitchen...I have storage central heating and I'm happy to leave that as is. ??? any help and advice would be appreciated.
Thanks, for your circumstances you would be better off with either a direct unvented cylinder or a direct thermal store as you would get better hot water delivery 👍🏾
Small tankless instant heaters in the bathroom and kitchen are the way to go.
Hi Will this boiler featured in this video be good to run a full standard bath tub and if so at what flow rate would it be, and would it be constant hot flow as a gas combi boiler would do?
He mentions the flow rate at 17:12 and quotes 9L/min
The cheaper electric boiler models can be as low as 5L/min so beware
The boiler here (ECA Arceus) comes in different versions, from 12 up to 27Kw. This was the 12Kw model and, from the figures I was able to find, is rated at 8L/min (not 9). The notes state that at 8L/min you may have to turn down the flow rate to fill a bath. For some context, the NHBC guidance recommend restricting flow rates at the output as follows: Basin, Sink & shower - 6L/min, Bath - 9L/min. As a result, this unit my struggle when filling a bath, especially if that output hasn’t been restricted.
@@Ironbuket Thanks for the response and detail on this mate, my 1 bedroom flat isn't connected to the mains and I've been trying to make the decision between an a big unvented cylinder and a combi boiler. I love a bath (practically have one every day) and if these combi boilers are going to have an issue filling a decent size bath (mines 1800) then a big cylinder seems like a better option possibly... any tips would be ace
@@RagTimeJack Just to clarify, you will still be able to fill a bath, but it means you can’t just turn the tap on full else a boiler, rated in power as this one, wouldn’t be able to keep up. The situation gets worse if someone is using the boiler elsewhere at the same time (sink or heating was on). Im far from an expert on this, but we have been exploring electric boilers as an option to replace our old gas combi. I found there is very little info out there on this kind of setup (electric combi and nothing else). People almost always have a water cylinder when using an electric boiler. If you are considering combining this with solar power you have to have a cylinder or some kind of thermal storage else getting the panels is a waste of time (they cant directly feed enough power into an electric boiler to run it - even with storage batteries you cant get enough). Also beware that not all electric boilers can accept hotwater input and so are not compatible with solar heated water. Things are far more complicated than just electric boilers cost more to run, there are many other things different about them and you can easily get screwed over by an installer if you don’t do your own research. If you just have a gas combi on the wall doing everything, I haven’t seen any examples yet of someone swapping one out for a more powerful electric combi of this style without having to add extra stuff elsewhere in the home also
@@Ironbuket Hey Man, thanks for all the extra info! I had a look online and also consulted with my plumber a bit more. Tested my water pressure and it looks like I'm getting 11 litres per min out of my cold mains. Looks like for that to be something a combi can keep up with ill have to get a 25KW electric combi on average which would be fine....unfortunately it seems like you need to have 3 phase electric for a boiler of that KW so I'm going to go for a nice size unvented cylinder for my nice hot baths and showers!
I wish these were available here in the US. I could sell thousands of them.
Try a search for JNOD BW24s , their combi boilers have a separate heater for instant hot water
Hi, what is DHW flow rate and temperature rise as a gas combi 28kw could deliver 10lpm@35 c temperature rise ? I'm thinking less than 5 lpm
Nice install
Thanks man, the flow rate on these is around 7-9L/min with a 35 degree temp rise 👍🏽
Hi CP, approximate how much does this cost, Removal of old gas combi, disposal, fitting and wiring of new electric combi. Just an approximate amount please. And do you also cover Watford Herts.. Many Thanks
Message me on 07912288451 👍🏽
@@cputilitysolutions okay 👌
How do I increase the bar pressure (1-1.5bar) on an electric combi? Is there a video somewhere I can look at? I have a Gabarron Mattira combi. Thanks
You should have a filling loop somewhere. I'm not familiar with that brand boiler I'm afraid
@@cputilitysolutions Thank you the prompt response. Yes, there is a u-shaped flexible braided hose with handle valves at either ends connecting the cold water input and DHW outlet. I assume that similar to a Valiant Gas Combi one opens the DHW outlet valve and then gradually opens the cold water input valve until the required pressure gauge level is achieved?
Sounds right 👍🏽
Where did you get it from , I’m after the same boiler cheers .
Contact ECA online and they'll be able to help find a local stockist to you 👍🏽
I need this. Are you in london? Your website doesn’t say.
Yes you can reach me on 07912288451
£3.70 a hour in electric..... 31p per kW rate at the moment. Heating on 5 hours a day? (2 hour morning, 3 hour evening) £18.50 a day. £550 a month.... Er na. If you have huge solar and battery bank yes. Mental to change from gas to this in the current climate.
You're assuming the boiler runs at max rate all the time when in fact it will modulate down to a lower output once up to temp
@@cputilitysolutions that's a very good point! It is the future. Just need a drop in electric rates then I'd have one 😁 get these fusion reactors up and running, free electricity for all.
I've just had a price for panels and 2x 3.6kw battery storage. I wonder how long these would take to run the batteries flat?
Not every day you will have the heating on all the time, only in a very cold winter would you possibly manage that which we don't get any longer!
Electricity rate at the moment is 28.5p per unit.
I fit the EHC combi boilers , how did your customer manage with an old istore with 20L min hot water to that with 6L min ?
The cable supping the boiler from the rotary switch looks thin to me. < 10mmsq
Looks can be deceiving
How many radiators would this be good for?
I'd say probably around 10-15 rads
Who would service the boiler then, electrician or gas engineer, would be interesting to see how the service on this differs to a gas boiler
The boiler shouldn't need regular servicing. The magnaclean would need cleaning once a year.
@@delcat8168 I’m confident the manufacturer will require yearly servicing and sign of by an electrician
is it easy to install a boiler system as an hvac technician and not an engineer
I guess anyone can install an electric boiler as it's just connecting water pipes to it, you'd just need an electrician to do the electrical side of it
@@cputilitysolutions thanks
Does this boiler work for hot water only?
Does both heating and hot water
Are the electric combi boiler any good
They are a good alternative if you don't have gas. But flow rate isn't great for running a bath
@@cputilitysolutions I'm looking at getting rid of gas and go to electric combi boiler
#benchodinstalls #electrifying as if you posted that 🤣
Electric combo boiler
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Hello mate do you cover stoke-on-Trent ? If you do then how much is the price for removing gas boiler and installation electric boiler full price? Thanks 🙏
Unfortunately I'm based in Romford in Essex
Rough Price of boiler ?
Around £1100
No more errs or ums
I know I need to stop doing that! 🤦🏽♂️
Why did the customer not want a gas boiler. It’ll cost a fortune to run
He explained that the flue run was a mission and Ideal wouldn't allow the use of the existing flue.
@@umark6695 Cheers, must have missed a bit
Option for solar power in future
6l per min flow rate pure shite stick with gas
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So lazy! You could have taken 5 mins extra to tidy up the pipe s. They could have used to for storage.
Sorry you have difficulty with your eyesight