Regarding length of pull, both B&T’s stock are similar. But the attractive thing about TP9 is the angle of the grip. Feels much better in the wrist when press against the shoulder. One interesting thing to mention regarding the trigger guard bottom shape, it’s that was redesigned to accommodate B&T proprietary holster locking mechanism. For anyone out here considering purchasing one, PonyUp and SBR that thing.. You will regret not doing it. Thanks for the detailed input.
Watching your shoot i get the sense you enjoy shooting somewhat in a similar way to me - sure, hitting the target accurately is cool, but i enjoy the differences across all the guns in FEELING each gun’s unique recoil impulse and muzzle flip, change in temp (warmth) as it is fires repeatedly, its audio signature, and even the smell of burned powder. Collectively, a full sensory experience.
So many people overlook some simple facts like "feel" or "looks/estetics". I love pdw/submachine guns and cold war era assault rifles. Today most guns looks like a AK or AR, boring.
I’ve got one of these TP-9US. It’s an excellent firearm - but I wasn’t really satisfied with it until I got the Silencer, Stock, and VFG in that order. This gun is so much more fun and enjoyable to shoot with the silencer that I’d say it was one of the best NFA purchases I’ve ever made. The TP9 is a gun you really have to go into with the intention of going “all in” on to get the most out of. Otherwise it just falls short all around.
I bought mine thanks to your first video. One con I'd like to add is how brittle the magazine floor plates are on these and some even reports the feed lips being brittle as well. It's a very common complaint among B&T owners groups. That being said your video is spot on. Despite its idiosyncrasies it's still one of my favorite guns just because of how fun and unique it is to shoot as well as own something so iconic. It's also typically a favorite when I take a new shooter to the range because it's light like a handgun, but recoil isnt bad and the stock and foregrip gives it enough stability that a total novice can drill tight groups within 25 yards.
@@misha5670in my experience it can only help the issue but not solve it. I've dropped a loaded mag with those bumpers on concrete and the floorplate still broke. At least B&T is good about sending replacements.
If the bolt and barrel move back together for some time, that's still a locked breech action, usually recoil operated. With blowback actions, even delayed, the cartridge pushes the bolt away from the barrel immediately upon firing. Delayed blowback just means there's a large mechanical disadvantage against the blowback force so the reciprocating parts don't have to be too heavy or have too strong of spring.
And that's exactly what happens. The bolt and barrel start to move apart right way, but the barrel's rotation slows this action enough for things to work out, and yes to allow for a lighter return spring for the bolt. Its a neat system.
I enjoyed the video. Sbr is something I've been tempted to try but never have. I feel obliged to do that with pap85 pistol, just not quite right with the brace but it is a pretty nice brace and just still on the fence about mo money mo paper work. I think it would be something like a skorpion that would push me over the edge. Still badass sub gun! Something about having it just so. Also that "lap top " is absolutely too cool for school. The devil is in the details!
It was listedn as B+T brand. I am sure it is a licensed product though. I got it from Tar Hill State Firearms. Sorry, can't give a link, Susan won't allow that.
This is the kind of gun where I feel like the civilian neutering makes it practically pointless. Full fun, with the correct foregrip and a stock would be a blast, esp with the cool little holster they make for it
Pretty cool. The b&t with the brace is nice imo.i remember when you did the video on that model completely changed my opinion on B&T .Are you going to sbr the mini beryl as well? The mini is almost perfect.
I am waiting for a lawyer to draft trust paperwork. First gun getting sbr’d is my tp9n. I watched your older vids and everyone elses a few times while waiting for the pistol to show up. I agree that it will be much better as an sbr. In my opinion It’s rough shooting it in pistol config. Haha thanks!
My first TP9 was from DSA and bought back around 2008-2009. So in otherwords, pre-brace days. It was not exciting. The 2nd one was better with the tailhook, but still i love how simple and compact the OEM stock is + having the foregrip is quite handy. That reminds me of the MP5K.
I just want an accurate semi-auto version of the TMP, so with the front grip as an AOW. Is that too much to ask? Was there ever anything like that imported, even in a special limited order or anything? Or any TMP parts kits that say you could convert the SPP with or something?
@@misha5670 This makes me sad. Hopefully Steyr or B&T end up bring in a true semi-auto TMP someday. I think it was either Lara Croft or True Lies that got me interested in it. Interestingly True Lies is also what got me interested in the "krink", despite what they actually used was a chopped down AKMS. I think it was that movie that is what really got firearms to click with me.
Hey Misha, i just stumbled upon (and bought) a Zastava M83/93 revolver and i was wondering if you had any experinces or knowledge regarding the gun. I cant personally find much on it tbh and i figured you could maybe tie it into an overall video about some Serbian/Yugoslavian pistols if you were interested. Gun seems built well enough, very solid. .38/.357 DA/SA with a swinging cylinder and shrouded ejector rod. Very reminiscent of a Colt Python
Sorry. I don't really know much about that one either. I did have that Alpha Proj revolver from the Czech Republic for several years, and that was a well enough made gun for the money. It was a solid shooter and durable.
@@LeonardoFSI The SCW Pistol is in this video. Unfortunately, commenter didn't ask which of the 2 guns featured it is. Then again, 5 seconds on google could have answered his question anyway.
Krink, yes but R5? I assume you mean the LM5? noooo way. That would be a very very short sighted decision. That's the kind of the gun that does not need to be registered with the Feds.
@@Jeremy-pi5mz Because they aren't very available. preban? you had the AR & ARM, and current day you have the Ace pistol based on the MAR or the Ace carbine w/ the AR length.
@@misha5670 yep we are passing the time of cheap SAR kits right now like with everything else watch when they are no longer available the price climb . Nope not pre ban built on ati receiver and barrel. Scratches the itch for 1400ish
You need a camera stand! I enjoyed your audio , but your views of the Pistol are to be desired, you’d talk about parts of the pistol but we actually could not see it.
At night, I dream of flying to Switzerland, doing a little wandering, then suddenly stumbling across both of these in a vending machine.
Regarding length of pull, both B&T’s stock are similar. But the attractive thing about TP9 is the angle of the grip. Feels much better in the wrist when press against the shoulder. One interesting thing to mention regarding the trigger guard bottom shape, it’s that was redesigned to accommodate B&T proprietary holster locking mechanism. For anyone out here considering purchasing one, PonyUp and SBR that thing.. You will regret not doing it.
Thanks for the detailed input.
Watching your shoot i get the sense you enjoy shooting somewhat in a similar way to me - sure, hitting the target accurately is cool, but i enjoy the differences across all the guns in FEELING each gun’s unique recoil impulse and muzzle flip, change in temp (warmth) as it is fires repeatedly, its audio signature, and even the smell of burned powder. Collectively, a full sensory experience.
So many people overlook some simple facts like "feel" or "looks/estetics". I love pdw/submachine guns and cold war era assault rifles. Today most guns looks like a AK or AR, boring.
I would love to see a similar design from another company at a more competitive price. Also, shot my P-26 the other day and it still rocks. 😎
Misha another great vid! I always learn something new from you! I have a TP9N also with active Form 1. Can’t wait to don its stock and VG!
I’ve got one of these TP-9US. It’s an excellent firearm - but I wasn’t really satisfied with it until I got the Silencer, Stock, and VFG in that order. This gun is so much more fun and enjoyable to shoot with the silencer that I’d say it was one of the best NFA purchases I’ve ever made.
The TP9 is a gun you really have to go into with the intention of going “all in” on to get the most out of. Otherwise it just falls short all around.
My experience also.
yep! I got one of their new versions of the suppressor on Eform!
@@misha5670 Is there ANY way to suppress this with a non-B&T suppressor ?
I want to suppress it and have a Silencerco Hybrid…🤔
I bought my B&T TP-9 in 07 I knew they were Quality !! Waiting on the APC-10! :) Love my B&T Great Video!
I remember spraying terrorists with this thing in the classic Rainbox Six PC game
I bought mine thanks to your first video. One con I'd like to add is how brittle the magazine floor plates are on these and some even reports the feed lips being brittle as well. It's a very common complaint among B&T owners groups. That being said your video is spot on. Despite its idiosyncrasies it's still one of my favorite guns just because of how fun and unique it is to shoot as well as own something so iconic. It's also typically a favorite when I take a new shooter to the range because it's light like a handgun, but recoil isnt bad and the stock and foregrip gives it enough stability that a total novice can drill tight groups within 25 yards.
Those rubber bumpers that go on the mags can help with the floorplate issue too.
@@misha5670in my experience it can only help the issue but not solve it. I've dropped a loaded mag with those bumpers on concrete and the floorplate still broke. At least B&T is good about sending replacements.
If the bolt and barrel move back together for some time, that's still a locked breech action, usually recoil operated. With blowback actions, even delayed, the cartridge pushes the bolt away from the barrel immediately upon firing. Delayed blowback just means there's a large mechanical disadvantage against the blowback force so the reciprocating parts don't have to be too heavy or have too strong of spring.
And that's exactly what happens. The bolt and barrel start to move apart right way, but the barrel's rotation slows this action enough for things to work out, and yes to allow for a lighter return spring for the bolt. Its a neat system.
I got an awesome "man Bag" with mine and 3 mags. Luv it!
Happy Easter, Misha.
Three times a charm. 👍😎🙏
Happy Easter back at ya' thanks
I enjoyed the video. Sbr is something I've been tempted to try but never have. I feel obliged to do that with pap85 pistol, just not quite right with the brace but it is a pretty nice brace and just still on the fence about mo money mo paper work. I think it would be something like a skorpion that would push me over the edge. Still badass sub gun! Something about having it just so. Also that "lap top " is absolutely too cool for school. The devil is in the details!
Mine are the TP9N, Mini Beryl, SLR104UR, and PS90. Those all just 'need' it. Also both Scorpions could use it too.
Sort of glossed over the intermediate configuration, Misha. Steyr-DSA-B&T USA 1 and now we’re in B&T USA 2
What is the brand of the pouch and where did you order it from? Thanks! Love your videos!
It was listedn as B+T brand. I am sure it is a licensed product though. I got it from Tar Hill State Firearms. Sorry, can't give a link, Susan won't allow that.
This is the kind of gun where I feel like the civilian neutering makes it practically pointless. Full fun, with the correct foregrip and a stock would be a blast, esp with the cool little holster they make for it
Exactly, thus why i bought the TP9N model.
worthless? i mean any gun is worthless witout training this thing will get through situations if you knw how to operate it
Pretty cool. The b&t with the brace is nice imo.i remember when you did the video on that model completely changed my opinion on B&T .Are you going to sbr the mini beryl as well? The mini is almost perfect.
MB is basically done now. SAving it for a long, boring stretch to do a video with. Plus right now Susan is kind of weird about any C3 stuff frankly.
I just bought mine on Friday morning!
I am waiting for a lawyer to draft trust paperwork. First gun getting sbr’d is my tp9n. I watched your older vids and everyone elses a few times while waiting for the pistol to show up. I agree that it will be much better as an sbr. In my opinion It’s rough shooting it in pistol config. Haha thanks!
My first TP9 was from DSA and bought back around 2008-2009. So in otherwords, pre-brace days. It was not exciting. The 2nd one was better with the tailhook, but still i love how simple and compact the OEM stock is + having the foregrip is quite handy. That reminds me of the MP5K.
You considered finding an SOT that’ll take it in and make it an sBR in their shop and then e form 4 (90 days) it to you? That way no engraving
It would still need to be engraved with the name of that shop.
I hope to see an update as a SBR
I just want an accurate semi-auto version of the TMP, so with the front grip as an AOW. Is that too much to ask? Was there ever anything like that imported, even in a special limited order or anything? Or any TMP parts kits that say you could convert the SPP with or something?
Nope, Steyr didn't make the TMP for all that long. Basically, it was a commercial failure for them.
@@misha5670 This makes me sad. Hopefully Steyr or B&T end up bring in a true semi-auto TMP someday. I think it was either Lara Croft or True Lies that got me interested in it. Interestingly True Lies is also what got me interested in the "krink", despite what they actually used was a chopped down AKMS. I think it was that movie that is what really got firearms to click with me.
I really enjoyed shooting my TP9. My friends at Underground Ordnance have some of the brand new RBS suppressors B&T are putting out
Hey Misha, i just stumbled upon (and bought) a Zastava M83/93 revolver and i was wondering if you had any experinces or knowledge regarding the gun.
I cant personally find much on it tbh and i figured you could maybe tie it into an overall video about some Serbian/Yugoslavian pistols if you were interested.
Gun seems built well enough, very solid. .38/.357 DA/SA with a swinging cylinder and shrouded ejector rod. Very reminiscent of a Colt Python
Sorry. I don't really know much about that one either. I did have that Alpha Proj revolver from the Czech Republic for several years, and that was a well enough made gun for the money. It was a solid shooter and durable.
It is worth the money?
Is that the B&T that the US military's bought
if not
what is the model number
The SCW is in this video, yes.
No, that would be the B&T APC9k pro.
@@LeonardoFSI The SCW Pistol is in this video. Unfortunately, commenter didn't ask which of the 2 guns featured it is. Then again, 5 seconds on google could have answered his question anyway.
I have one of the originals. Steyr SPP.
Brass facts channel has several videos on the tp9 I think he had it a sbr.
I like it. Its to gouchi for me price wise
Di-did you mean to say too Gucci?
@@RosaParksWasWyt i think so
Need to SBR that krink and R5
Krink, yes but R5? I assume you mean the LM5? noooo way. That would be a very very short sighted decision. That's the kind of the gun that does not need to be registered with the Feds.
Haha I just got my Galil SAR they really are so handy weapons besides the weight I don’t know why they aren’t more popular
@@Jeremy-pi5mz Because they aren't very available. preban? you had the AR & ARM, and current day you have the Ace pistol based on the MAR or the Ace carbine w/ the AR length.
@@misha5670 yep we are passing the time of cheap SAR kits right now like with everything else watch when they are no longer available the price climb . Nope not pre ban built on ati receiver and barrel. Scratches the itch for 1400ish
You need a camera stand! I enjoyed your audio , but your views of the Pistol are to be desired, you’d talk about parts of the pistol but we actually could not see it.
I've purchased
5 galil aces...
Results were the same....
I'm beyond satisfied!
Oops he did it again…
I didn't say it as i wasn't sure Gen-Z would get that silly old joke hehe