I just checked my Honda HRX 217 from 2011, there is absolutely no sign of wear on the spring or on the spring connection points on the brackets. Informative video though, thanks!
I’ve had my hrx217 since 2012. It finally failed last Saturday. I thought the spring just came off. I tried to put the spring back on and that bracket shot out. I discovered just like you. I didn’t or the spring you mentioned but I think I will. Thanks for the video.
I’ve got this one too but went back to my old HR194. It was stored, dry for 10 yrs....fresh oil & gas & HALF a pull & it started right up! Old one was best. 😁
I just looked up the part numbers on the Honda site for this spring on the HRX217 and compared it to the HRR216 spring. It's the same part number (24468-VE1-T00). The probable reason for not addressing or changing the spring is they may already have millions of these springs and don't have any other use for them. Or maybe they may have addressed in newer models. The HRN216 spring has a different part number (24468-VL0-P00). The spring looks the same in the diagram but attaches to the top of the deck instead of the rear (now vertical instead of horizontal). The HRN transmission doesn't look nearly as "Beefy" as the HRX, either. Thanks for the Oregon part number. I haven't had the issue yet but then; I haven't taken either of the mowers apart that far to check. That's going to change really quick. Please post any other quirks that you have noticed on the machines if you can. It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. Have a Great Day!
Ok. I got the spring you suggested and installed it on my new transmission. While it did work on the flats, on hills it bogged down. I replaced the spring with the heavy spring that honda calls for and the mower propeller much better. I think the lighter spring allows the belt to slip under a heavier load. My mower is a hrx217kvka with smart drive.
That spring is just a return spring. It returns the transmission to neutral. It shouldn't have anything to do with belt tension. There's an adjustment for tension on the cable.
On mine the spring provides tension on the belt. The cable operates a lever that engages the transmission. Without the heavier spring, the belt slips on the pulleys and doesn't propel as well. I tried it both ways.
If we are to replace this part before the problem happens do we need to take all those parts off the mower... or is it easily accessible to replace the spring
Glad everything doing well with you. I enjoyed your education on shop safety. Would you do another one with a dry easel board so as you explained this we can write down your recommendations on items to purchased, basic general information would be appreciated. You have good peoples skills to teach us, because that we like doing this kind of work.
The spring is an Oregon 05022 as you state. Just replaced the original Honda spring as you recommend, and works fine. Getting the original spring back on has been near-impossible, so your fix is much appreciated. Thanks for your help!
@@chucksw1 Yes, you have to take the plastic shroud off to get to the transmission. Kinda tricky - best to get a manual. The Oregon 05022 spring is much easier to install.
Good video. Mine gets stuck in propel and slamming it is no longer unsticking it. I am just going to take the belt off and use as a push. Wheel and transmission assembly is a jigsaw just like you said. First years were good but now I am cleaning the carb every 3 months
Nice Video. Just had a customer call me and he has the same mower HRX217 and transmission quit working.. I haven't torn one down before so I'll look up how to dissaemble tonight to the spring if that's the problem. Thanks for the great video
I have been working on Honda mower for 11 years and am a honda master tech and i have never seen any mower do that before I've see the spring brake in half or the belt snap but i agree that spring it to stiff for what it does
I like your style.No BS! So does this have anything to do with my HRX217VKA that makes a metalic rubbing noise when i shut the engine off and the hydro not engaged? There's no issues with it otherwise. It pulls along good when I engage the tranny.
Out of all the lawn mowers ever made what ones don’t you ever see in your shop? I’m looking for one of those lol.. Seriously best lawnmowers made? I still use my Toro 2 cycle Suzuki religiously but looking for a backup.
I like the 30s, they're expensive and all hav problems. But I like the the toro 30 timemaster. Cuts good, bags,ect... but they don't like wet heavy grass and expensive.
I still have my 2009 Honda hrx 217 VYA we'll have to check the condition of that return spring plate today. Do you happen to have a video showing how to disassemble and reassemble using the lighter duty spring fix?
I’ve got a Honda hrx 217 with the hydrostatic transmission on it and It will not self propel unless it’s on the highest 3 settings and when it does self propel it’s very slow. Do I need to refill the fluid? Or is it another part
What is Honda's method for re-installing the original spring? It's a nightmare and almost impossible to stretch it far enough to hook it back to the transmission bracket.
I have a cub cadet riding lawnmower 22hp I put a new fuel pump and new air filter and a new fuel filter on it, and it won't start. Can you tell me what's the problem? I'm stumped.
I have one of these that my brother was going to throw out becase it wouldn't start 5 years ago. I took the carb of and and gave it a good cleaning. It fired right up. Now the drive dosen't work. I tried to adjust the cable that didn't seam to work. The belt is there and intact. Since you have worked on many these do you have any ideas of what it could be? How do you know if the trans is bad? Thanks for the video.
If u can roll the mower backwards with drive engaged, its probably belts or springs, if u can't pull backwards its probably the trans. Thanx for comment
My transmission is just loose,,,, the belt is good, I am thinking the spring broke Do I need to take it apart to get a new spring in there? thanks for sharing? Praise Jesus love your end of the video what a blessing !!
I loved my Honda hrx217 until with less than 20 hours on it the valve stem guide blew out and then caused my rocker arm to break. Easy fix but I'm wondering if its gonna continue to be an issue. Curious if its been an issue with the Hondas you've worked on.
Not had many head issues. The engines are usually bulletproof. Except for that choke system, can be hard to start when they get some age on them. Most problems I see is the design of the body and transmission. But they're a good mower, just like all mowers, they all have some issues.. Thanks for the comment and question.
Honda doesn't give a damn about your mower problem! Mine is only 4 years old and is junk. I'd push it into the Ohio River but would be arrested for polluting!
@@clsmallenginerepair3814 I have to replace my drive clutch cable but they sold me a kit to replace the input arm on the transmission because arm bends over cable end and you cant get it out. Have you done some of these mods?
What type of symptoms do this have if the spring is not connected? My mower I can’t pull backwards. It goes forward fine. The wheel’s just won’t spin backwards when it’s in neutral
The spring in the video, is a return spring, it returns the transmission to neutral. If ur having those problems,, the transmission isn't going all the way back,, could be the spring. Try rotating the transmission back by hand an see if that takes care of the problem. May have to move the lever by hand
Hi Carl. Today my HRX217 self propelled keeps wanting to stay engaged even when I take my hand off drive, Not all the time but alot. I got under it and hit the cable near transmission with WD40 but cant see it from the top going to the drive switch. Any ideas?
@@Preacher7633 ty sir it was indeed the cable adjuster wire I believe it’s called, ty for pointing me in the right direction, and it moves pretty fast like when I bought it
I just got a honda hrx217 versamow 4 in 1 that the customer says won't go forward. Indeed it won't push forward. It rolls backward but not forward. Is it that spring control for the neutral in the transmission??
That’s strange. I’ve worked on 100’s of those mowers and have yet to run across that problem. I do know what your talking about with those damn springs. They are definitely overkill.
Great video , All these new cars , mowers are probably computer designed . This means a lot of things go unchecked , not tested , over looked . You end up with big defects in the final product . We have all this technology and things are getting worse . Someone is not doing there job , or has that job been eliminated .
My hrx217 is the biggest piece of crap I ever bought. The cable that he is showing either broke or was cut as he shows. only had used it three times. Took it to the Honda dealer where it took the Honda dealer three nonths summer months to repair Got it back, stored it this winter and now the cable will not put it in gear to move. one year and the battery is dead. will not buy another one. The wait times and quality repairs are dodo and ship.
I just checked my Honda HRX 217 from 2011, there is absolutely no sign of wear on the spring or on the spring connection points on the brackets. Informative video though, thanks!
I’ve had my hrx217 since 2012. It finally failed last Saturday. I thought the spring just came off. I tried to put the spring back on and that bracket shot out. I discovered just like you. I didn’t or the spring you mentioned but I think I will. Thanks for the video.
I’ve got this one too but went back to my old HR194. It was stored, dry for 10 yrs....fresh oil & gas & HALF a pull & it started right up! Old one was best. 😁
I just looked up the part numbers on the Honda site for this spring on the HRX217 and compared it to the HRR216 spring. It's the same part number (24468-VE1-T00). The probable reason for not addressing or changing the spring is they may already have millions of these springs and don't have any other use for them. Or maybe they may have addressed in newer models. The HRN216 spring has a different part number (24468-VL0-P00). The spring looks the same in the diagram but attaches to the top of the deck instead of the rear (now vertical instead of horizontal). The HRN transmission doesn't look nearly as "Beefy" as the HRX, either.
Thanks for the Oregon part number. I haven't had the issue yet but then; I haven't taken either of the mowers apart that far to check. That's going to change really quick.
Please post any other quirks that you have noticed on the machines if you can. It would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again. Have a Great Day!
Thank you. Have been stuck with this problem for a week. Ordered the part.
Ok. I got the spring you suggested and installed it on my new transmission. While it did work on the flats, on hills it bogged down. I replaced the spring with the heavy spring that honda calls for and the mower propeller much better. I think the lighter spring allows the belt to slip under a heavier load. My mower is a hrx217kvka with smart drive.
That spring is just a return spring. It returns the transmission to neutral. It shouldn't have anything to do with belt tension. There's an adjustment for tension on the cable.
On mine the spring provides tension on the belt. The cable operates a lever that engages the transmission. Without the heavier spring, the belt slips on the pulleys and doesn't propel as well. I tried it both ways.
I learned so much from your video. Thank you for your time!!
Great video and awesome fix Carl!
If we are to replace this part before the problem happens do we need to take all those parts off the mower... or is it easily accessible to replace the spring
Glad everything doing well with you. I enjoyed your education on shop safety. Would you do another one with a dry easel board so as you explained this we can write down your recommendations on items to purchased, basic general information would be appreciated. You have good peoples skills to teach us, because that we like doing this kind of work.
The spring is an Oregon 05022 as you state. Just replaced the original Honda spring as you recommend, and works fine. Getting the original spring back on has been near-impossible, so your fix is much appreciated. Thanks for your help!
Awesome,, great news.. thank you
is it easy to get off? and back on? do you have to remove anything to get to it?
@@chucksw1 Yes, you have to take the plastic shroud off to get to the transmission. Kinda tricky - best to get a manual. The Oregon 05022 spring is much easier to install.
Very nice video sir. Did help me figure what happened to my very expensive lawn mower. Thank you.
Great video Carl, been there done that! Thanks for sharing. 👍
Love all your Harbor Freight tool same ones I have and use daily
Can't beat em for the money. And they last.
Thanks for the comment 👍
Good video. Mine gets stuck in propel and slamming it is no longer unsticking it. I am just going to take the belt off and use as a push. Wheel and transmission assembly is a jigsaw just like you said. First years were good but now I am cleaning the carb every 3 months
Yea i know the feeling . Ive changed a couple myself. It is ridiculous. Great video thanks for sharing. Take care & stay safe . Later brother
NICE FIX and that's a big... AMEN!😇
thanks for sharing just purchased one
Nice Video. Just had a customer call me and he has the same mower HRX217 and transmission quit working..
I haven't torn one down before so I'll look up how to dissaemble tonight to the spring if that's the problem. Thanks for the great video
It's probably not the trans itself, probably those springs..
Anything about mulching problems on hrx217. Min as grass still e bought last yr w/ a known problem of grass not making it to the ground!
I have been working on Honda mower for 11 years and am a honda master tech and i have never seen any mower do that before I've see the spring brake in half or the belt snap but i agree that spring it to stiff for what it does
I thought it might be a vibration issue.
I called honda, but they wouldn't let me talk to tech support or R&D, because I'm not a dealer for honda.
Next time i call in to honda ill see if i can get an answer
@@williamroberts6591 did you talk to them yet?
@@williamroberts6591 Well it's been a year so what did Honda tech support have to say about the issue?
I like your style.No BS! So does this have anything to do with my HRX217VKA that makes a metalic rubbing noise when i shut the engine off and the hydro not engaged? There's no issues with it otherwise. It pulls along good when I engage the tranny.
Thanks for explaining
i see that alot,imgonna try that on te next one.Thanks for the tip.
Out of all the lawn mowers ever made what ones don’t you ever see in your shop? I’m looking for one of those lol.. Seriously best lawnmowers made? I still use my Toro 2 cycle Suzuki religiously but looking for a backup.
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This is eye opening, I was about to buy one of these. If you were to recommend a lawn mower for a flaw 1/3 acre lawn. What would you get?
I like the 30s, they're expensive and all hav problems. But I like the the toro 30 timemaster. Cuts good, bags,ect... but they don't like wet heavy grass and expensive.
Thanks for sharing this !! how old are the mowers that have this issue i just bought a new HRX217 yesterday does this have the same spring
Havnt seen this year's models, but year before last was made the same..
My discharge guard rod came loose, some kind of push washer endcap? Can't be the only one, any ideas
I still have my 2009 Honda hrx 217 VYA we'll have to check the condition of that return spring plate today. Do you happen to have a video showing how to disassemble and reassemble using the lighter duty spring fix?
They go into the same brackets, Idt I do..
I've had my Honda since 2005, I haven't replaced the issue your talking about.
That's because urs isn't made like the newer ones...don't make em like that anymore.👍
I’ve got a Honda hrx 217 with the hydrostatic transmission on it and It will not self propel unless it’s on the highest 3 settings and when it does self propel it’s very slow. Do I need to refill the fluid? Or is it another part
Its the trans,, they eat em like the toro 30 timemaster. Might try fluid change.
They say theyre non serviceable,,
But u can change oil..
What is Honda's method for re-installing the original spring? It's a nightmare and almost impossible to stretch it far enough to hook it back to the transmission bracket.
Idk if honda has a method,, they're tough... I hook the plate end up first, then use a spring puller I hav from a trampoline I set up.
I have a cub cadet riding lawnmower 22hp I put a new fuel pump and new air filter and a new fuel filter on it, and it won't start. Can you tell me what's the problem? I'm stumped.
I have one of these that my brother was going to throw out becase it wouldn't start 5 years ago. I took the carb of and and gave it a good cleaning. It fired right up. Now the drive dosen't work. I tried to adjust the cable that didn't seam to work. The belt is there and intact. Since you have worked on many these do you have any ideas of what it could be? How do you know if the trans is bad?
Thanks for the video.
If u can roll the mower backwards with drive engaged, its probably belts or springs, if u can't pull backwards its probably the trans.
Thanx for comment
Do you need to also replace the plates/brackets that became oval holes??
Usually,, i would while i was there.
Thank you!!!!!
I believe that spring is such a massive size because the belt needs a certain amount of tension.
Could be, but I've never had a problem with slipping, and that spring has more tension than a riding mower..
Can you tell me what the transmission cable part number is? I am a at home DIY'er lol not sure if I am gonna order the right part.
Not, sure,, ull hav to use the #s on mower..
Thanks
My transmission is just loose,,,, the belt is good, I am thinking the spring broke Do I need to take it apart to get a new spring in there? thanks for sharing? Praise Jesus love your end of the video what a blessing !!
No,, that spring can be replaced without taking the trans out.. should be able to see it,,
Would have been nice if you showed how to get to the area where these parts go. found the problem, now need to correct it.
I loved my Honda hrx217 until with less than 20 hours on it the valve stem guide blew out and then caused my rocker arm to break. Easy fix but I'm wondering if its gonna continue to be an issue. Curious if its been an issue with the Hondas you've worked on.
Not had many head issues. The engines are usually bulletproof. Except for that choke system, can be hard to start when they get some age on them. Most problems I see is the design of the body and transmission. But they're a good mower, just like all mowers, they all have some issues..
Thanks for the comment and question.
@@clsmallenginerepair3814 thank you for the response
Honda doesn't give a damn about your mower problem! Mine is only 4 years old and is junk. I'd push it into the Ohio River but would be arrested for polluting!
Can you get the bracket that mounts on the transmission by itself?
Should be able to..
@@clsmallenginerepair3814 I have to replace my drive clutch cable but they sold me a kit to replace the input arm on the transmission because arm bends over cable end and you cant get it out. Have you done some of these mods?
What type of symptoms do this have if the spring is not connected? My mower I can’t pull backwards. It goes forward fine. The wheel’s just won’t spin backwards when it’s in neutral
The spring in the video, is a return spring, it returns the transmission to neutral. If ur having those problems,, the transmission isn't going all the way back,, could be the spring.
Try rotating the transmission back by hand an see if that takes care of the problem. May have to move the lever by hand
Hi Carl. Today my HRX217 self propelled keeps wanting to stay engaged even when I take my hand off drive, Not all the time but alot. I got under it and hit the cable near transmission with WD40 but cant see it from the top going to the drive switch. Any ideas?
Could be the cable, if not check that return spring.
I have an HRX217, if the self propelled isn’t engaging the speed it once had(still engages but not as fast anymore), what could be the issue?
Belt, transmission, springs. Cable.. any of those could be the cause..
@@Preacher7633 ty sir it was indeed the cable adjuster wire I believe it’s called, ty for pointing me in the right direction, and it moves pretty fast like when I bought it
I just got a honda hrx217 versamow 4 in 1 that the customer says won't go forward. Indeed it won't push forward.
It rolls backward but not forward.
Is it that spring control for the neutral in the transmission??
More than likely, yes
Does the hrx217 hya hydrostatic have the same spring issue
Not sure.. probably so..
@@clsmallenginerepair3814 thank you
That’s strange. I’ve worked on 100’s of those mowers and have yet to run across that problem. I do know what your talking about with those damn springs. They are definitely overkill.
is it easy to get off? and back on? do you have to remove anything to get to it?
😂 did you even watch the video??
You gotta take off a whole bunch of parts and it took him like an hour or so.
Nice work! pain in the as@ .
YOU AIN'T KIDDING. THANKS
Great video , All these new cars , mowers are probably computer designed . This means a lot of things go unchecked , not tested , over looked . You end up with big defects in the final product . We have all this technology and things are getting worse . Someone is not doing there job , or has that job been eliminated .
My Honda hrx 217 mower blade stays engaged. Any suggestions???
Alot of different models, but I'd check cable adjustment, maybe the return spring
@@clsmallenginerepair3814 I checked those already and looks good there, but thank you.
Is the bearing seized up.... The blade stop bearing is what im saying?
Link the part number brother
Thanks I think I’ll buy a toro
So what symptoms will the mower have when the issue occurs. He never really mentioned it.
No self propell, or very weak
@@Preacher7633 thank you so much for this video
Interesting ....what was the original fault on this mower to start with ???? Pull back ??? Loss of drive ????
Loss of drive.. the spring eats through the levers,
hahaha yes, you have to loosen the transmission so it "tilts" then you can install the spring.
What were the symptoms before the spring replacement?
Won't pull, slips or belt keeps coming off..
Take the camera from that guy. lol
What’s the symptoms ?
Won't pull,,, belt won't stay on
It is a safety issue
Nice fix, thanks for sharing! I’ve always scratched my head wondering why they put springs with that much force on these mowers....
lol
My hrx217 is the biggest piece of crap I ever bought. The cable that he is showing either broke or was cut as he shows. only had used it three times. Took it to the Honda dealer where it took the Honda dealer three nonths summer months to repair Got it back, stored it this winter and now the cable will not put it in gear to move. one year and the battery is dead. will not buy another one. The wait times and quality repairs are dodo and ship.
Unclear, is it ridiculous or what? 😂
Go to next topic.
You are keep going on something over and over.
Your video is boring.
Thank you.
I'm sure there is a button that u can turn it off..
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