This is a very good comparison review of all the Honda mower models of all the features offered and the prices for each model. I recently ordered the HRX217HZA and it is due in shortly. It will be my first Honda, so I am looking forward to using it for many years to come. Thank you for this review video!
I just got the HYA. Performance is what I expect but the handle wasn’t as comfortable as the belt drive transmission I had before. Another thing I noticed was that when the bag was full, the weight made it tip back and the front wheels lift off the ground. I did notice a lot of dirt was sucked up because of where I was mowing, so that may not be typical.
HRX217HZA best mower I’ve ever owned, key start clutch self propelled worth every penny. I didn’t need a mower this fancy when I was in my 20’s or 30’s, or 40’s, but now I don’t skimp. Best walk behind on the market.
The various drive controls..... Can you help me understand the different drives systems on the HRN and HRX. I've used the HRN. The more the drive handle is rotated, the faster the mower goes. On the HRX with Select Drive - when you hold the paddle in, does it go right to the speed you have set in the dial OR does the speed vary depending how far the paddle is pushed (kind of like the HRN)? And finally, I see two levers on the Hydro static drive (8:30). Orange, which you described and the a small Black one next to it. Is the Orange lever a micro adjustment of where the Black lever is placed or? Between waiting for the Zoysia to fill in on our front yard and all the short runs and obstacles in the back, there are many times when I want to vary the speed.Thinking the HRN may be a better drive for me. Thoughts? Deciding which to buy before they become totally unavailable. Great, great, great reviews BTW.
After I tried 3 different high end EGO mowers with all three failing to run after motor overload. I decided to stick with a gas mower. I watched this review and bought a Honda HRN216VKA on his recommendation. I brought it home set it up, (very easy to do) mowed my 1/4 acre of lawn and was done. The bag filled completely, unlike my previous Toro and Craftsman mowers. I knew the bag was full when I saw clippings being left on the lawn. I think this is the best walk behind mower I've ever used. If your looking to buy and can patronize this man, I'd do it. Trust him. He knows what he's talking about. South Dakota is a bit far from New Mexico for me so I bought at my local Lowes. Thanks for the review and recommendation.
Bought an HRX-217 in 2014 from HD. Just used it yesterday to mulch leaves. It still works perfectly. I have had to replace bits and bobs over the years but nothing major. I do change the oil and air filter regularly. This thing will probably still be running long after I'm gone.
Same here. I wore out my first 217 in 10 years because I have a huge yard and just picked up my 2nd new 217 yesterday. It was $ 200 more than my 1st one but I had to get one since they're discontinued. Not a fan of the battery mowers. Such a shame Honda is out of the mower market.
6:15 Do you know the part number for the bolts that the handle pivots on when you fold it? Not the gray knobs, but the bolt beside it, and nut or whatever is used to hold that pivot bolt on? It doesn’t show that part on the parts list for my mower, for some reason. Previous owner just tightened a standard nut and bolt there, but I need the original parts. Thanks!
I have 6 acres of lawn. I use a 72" Scag Cheetah for 98% of my lawn. The rest is trim and I will say that the VKA is more than adequate for what I need. It is hands down the best push mower I have ever used. It has made my life much easier.
I’m having trouble deciding between the VKA vs the VYA. Hearing this video the key difference is the Roto Stop Blade control. But what does the black bar do on the VKA that’s labeled Blade Control? Does that cut the engine when you release it? I might be confused why they are calling it blade control if that’s the case
With Honda exiting the small lawnmower engine market ( they're staying in the larger commercial-grade market ), are they effectively exiting the consumer mower market also? Will parts be a problem going forward?
How well does the rear discharge work in comparison to a side discharge mower like my old Toro recycler? I need a new mower but I use side discharge 99% of the time.
I suppose you could try. It would probably be pretty expensive. Out of the box, it's $100, but buying all the parts afterward will cost quite a bit more.
Is the GCV200 noisier than the previous 190s? I have my new HRX a month and I’ve noticed the valves seem kinda loud. It’s running perfectly but I’d like to know if the chatter is normal in the gcv200.
I've noticed you can hear the valves a little more on the 200. Seems to be normal, though. The 190s seem a touch louder overall. I think the 200s have a slightly more robust muffler.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 yeah overall the 200 is quieter. The Valve chatter keeps making me think it’s knocking. The dealer wants to charge $65 to tell me if it sounds normal. I don’t hear the valve chatter until it’s warmed up about 10-15 minutes.
The cam issue started last year (2023 models) on about 10% of them. There was a faulty part, and Honda covers it. Honda is stopping mower production this year. They won't be available much longer.
Thank you for the great reviews! I'm between the HRN 216 VKA ($999 in my country) and the HRX 217 HYA ($1699). Do you think the better engine and the hydrostatic transmission are worth the difference to go with the 217?
The HYA really is the best, but not always necessary. It just depends on how much you're mowing and how long you want to keep it. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 Thank you! It'd be my first (and hopefully last) one so I want it to last many years. I live in a rural area so my lawn it's not regular and there's grass everywhere, it's not a marked rectangle or something like that. So you'd go with the 217 I guess?
@BernardoLarrosa I usually tell people that if it takes you an hour or more to mow, buy and HRX. My HRR (old version of HRN) has lasted 20 years, but it's always mowed a small 20-30 minute lot. So it really doesn't have a ton of hours on it.
I can't remember, but I believe the engines were cast differently for the electric start. I'm pretty sure you can't add it, and if you did, it would cost much more to buy the parts individually.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 Absolutely recommend it - my son and I do lawn jobs all summer so it's running almost like a commercial mower with no issues. Definitely get what you pay for.
Great video, thank you! I have both, an HRX217VKA and a similar HRN216. The 217 I use at home and the 216 I use to do several "charity cuts" I do for a few older couples in our neighborhood. I was surprised at the differences between these two mowers. The larger wheels on the 217 greatly improve the controllability. My 217 is pulling a "striper" which I'm sure is a considerable load on the propulsion system but it handles it great. Engine power is fantastic and the blade cut is the best I've ever seen. I like the 217's self-propelled control levers much better (on top vs. pushing with your thumbs on the bottom of the handle) than the 216's. As you noted both are great mowers but with all I know now I wish I had spent the extra $200 and purchased the second 217 rather than the 216. Once again, thanks for the very educational video on these two great mowers.
I like the older speed control where I can slow it down without turning a dial. With the new speed control, can I still slow it down if I'm in some heavy grass or does putting less pressure on the speed lever just make it stop completely?
When you showed the under deck of VKA I noticed something. In your video, the shiny piece that the blades rest on is a round piece. But that piece apparently was redesigned in the later VKA models to look like the one in HRN (shaped like a bow). Can possibly you confirm this?
@@rezanorouzian8198 The VKA would have the bow tie shaped blade holder. I had a VYA or an HYA tipped over in the video. That round piece is part of the blade clutch assembly.
@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 thanks! But the round piece also shows in the pictures that Honda has on its website for VKA. I also wonder if there is a way to tell the production year for these movers using the information on their box (ex. Serial no., UPN, etc.)?
@rezanorouzian8198 They didn't change any of those parts mid-model. If you look up parts for HRX217K6VKA, you'll only see they one design. A different generation (K5, K4, etc.) could be different.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 also wonder if there is a way to tell the production year for these movers using the information on their box (ex. Serial no., UPN, etc.)?
@@rezanorouzian8198 You can find it with the serial number. I'm not sure if you can look it up on a consumer site, but a dealer can definitely find it for you.
I had a 217 HRX I bought in 2009. It ran great but I wanted one with the blade break so I bought another Honda last year. Sorry they're not making them anymore because they are great mowers.
I have a dumb (to most) question. I like to push my mower and use the drive when I need it (I'm old and need the exercise). Can you do that with the HRX21K6VKA or does it "click/cause issues"? I'm hoping this model will allow it. I believe it's belt-driven
Would you buy the hydrostatic machine over the non hydro. I’m looking at the HRX217Vka for $699 or the HRX217HYA for $879. For $180 extra dollars you get the blade stop and the cruise control. Is it worth it?
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 it’s nice since I have gravel and moving things in my yard. I think I made my decision. Pricey for sure but I use my mower way more than my snowblower. My snowblower that’s a Honda retails for $3600. This is only $879 + tac
I've had my HYA for about 7 years now, and the hydro trans was definitely worth the money for me. I couldn't see spending the money for an HRX without getting the hydro trans. The control and function is perfect -- it's like the mower's reading your mind. I'm spoiled now, and I thoroughly intend to stay that way!
I'm looking at buying a HRC when one comes available. Only my yard, no commercial use, but I like repairable and commercial grade parts. Am I a fool for skipping over the HRX217? I love the power they have with the 200.
On earlier HRX217's, one of the complaints about the clip director is that it doesn't block clippings adequately when set in the full mulch position. That is, a considerable amount of grass accumulates in the chute after mowing a moderately sized lawn. Thus, it requires an extra step of blowing or otherwise clearing the chute out. I have experienced this as well on three different HRX's, dating from the mid-2000's to as recently as a 2017 model. Have the redesigned newer models fixed this issue? Thanks.
I just flip it from mulch to full bag back and forth three four times before I shut it down. Always good to grab the leaf blower and blast out your lawn mowers before putting them up regardless of make/model.
My HRX is 16 or 17 years old and I've never had that problem over the course of a single mow. After many months of mowing some of the fine, dead clippings may leak through but no "considerable amount." Another point related to this is that when mulching the bag is not in use so the hinged door is closed. However, that door is shaped such that any clippings that do get into the chute will drop out the back. Even when I've accidentally forgotten to change from "Bag" to "Mulch," the clippings go through the chute and drop out the back. I guess I don't understand your problem.
Fantastic-Detailed-Professional comparison! After watching your video I purchased the HRX-VYA as seen in the video at my local/family owned Honda dealer. I did call Lowe's for a price comparison and after waiting 20 minutes for the Lowe's sales associate to get back to me, she said she couldn't find the lawn mowers in her store! After going in they didn't even carry that model of HRX. Box stores SUCK! and can not compete with the knowledge and service you get from a LOCAL dealer, especially now in these challenging times. Appreciate you for going over and above.
Do all of the models mulch the clippings the same or are the more expensive mowers better at it? I'm basically looking for the best mulcher, I don't need all of the bells and whistles. Thanks.
The HRXs will do a little better than the HRNs in thicker or taller grass. They have more power and the deck clears out better. All the HRXs will cut the same though. They mulch really well.
Thanks for this. I had no idea they made all those different versions. Sounds like I did pretty good getting a used 7 year old HYA for $250. They were asking $350 but didn't have many hits because all the other hondas were priced around $200. And most people think "a honda's a honda". Looking forward to mowing now!
Dont know what part of the universe you live in but in my part of the universe you they want $500 and sometimes more even though they look abused. DEC2023 and dont see alot of them anymore at dealers. I think stock is almost out. They stopped producing them not long ago
After almost 15 years with a top of the line Honda mower and not a single repair needed decided to purchase a new one before they stop production. Not so good luck with the new one, out of the box defective. The compression release mechanism is not working making it very difficult to start. Unfortunately Honda nor Northern Tool will replace it but requiring me to take it in to their shop. The GCV200 has the cam internal with push rods rather than overhead cam. With the new set up the engine requires complete disassembly to replace the cam and compression relief mechanism. I am disappointed to buy a new mower and have the engine completely taken apart and reassembled. Unexpected from Honda to ship it with the defect. The pull cord abruptly stopped when I first pulled it so hard it bent the keeper on the handle. Have you encountered this problem? The mechanic at the shop said they had just completed one and that the part is on backorder. Have you encountered this or is mine a rare issue? th-cam.com/video/MPvxokO1YII/w-d-xo.html
That sucks. Things happen sometimes, though. We replaced a handful of those in our shop, but we've sold somewhere around 1000 mowers with GCV200 engines. So, I wouldn't say it's a major issue, and that's why they have warranties. There's a fail rate for everything.
So I bought an hrn 217 last spring and I anytime I cut low, the mower seems to struggle with the thicker turf. Even a little bit of moisture in the grass causes it to struggle. Not impressed at all with the mower honestly. Would the hrx struggle with low, thick Bermuda? I do t mind spending the $, but just want a mower that doesn’t seem to get bogged down like that. Another thing I miss from my toro is the quarter in height cuts, which my current Honda hrn doesn’t offer.
If an HRX wouldn't handle it, you have a deeper issue. The HRX has a 200cc engine, which is as big as you'll find on a 21" mower. The HRN may need to be adjusted, too. Getting the RPMs up may help it out.
My HRX was hard to start, come to find out the thermowax choke actuator goes bad. It's a small 12 dollar part but why not just stick with the simple manual choke? I ended up selling it because it was too heavy for the hills in my yard. Mowing across the hill, it would slide down, hard to do a straight line. No matter what mower you buy, you still gotta get out there and do the work.
The auto chokes work fine and are cheap to fix. You'd see just as many choke cables being replaced with a manual choke. There's not a whole lot of lighter ones out there. I hope you found something that works though. Thanks for checking this out 👍
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 - the old HRX manual choke never had a problem for my mower - another failure of the new model. Keep defending them and blaming the customer - see how that works for ya.
You are 1 example. That's a pretty small sample size. I've replaced my choke cable on my old on and have numerous friends with auto chokes that haven't touched them. Also didn't blame any customers. 🤷♂️
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 While the thermowax is a cheap part, it's not easy to diagnose. Two or three service trips before figuring it out. Right now I have a 1994 and 2002 Lawn Boy 2 cycle which are ideal for hills as there won't be any oil starvation.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 - yet in another comment you say it's a frequently replaced part. Typical lying POS. Yeah, I wonder how many people put a honda mower in the trash over a choke cable - compared to a $300 transmission.
@@bdawg8907 My experience especially if you are bagging is to only mow when your grass is dry. Mowing wet grass will eventually stop up the fabric on your bag and prevent airflow which causes bagging problems. This is only with Hondas but any brand mower.
Hidden arrogance you heard some creepy noises in the back you say you doing everything fair in your shop you treating everybody well you're not discriminating you're not taking something for somebody and said you negotiated fair and square don't be afraid you didn't do anything wrong
Do they make a HRC217 I need to replace my HRC216XHA(california) I see a lot of landscapers on TH-cam use Toro mowers what Toro mower would make a good replacement for my Honda HRC I'm thinking of giving them a try
so i was gifted a HYA by a family friend as house gift but it was used only for 1 and half seasons in NY. He showed me how to use it and it turned on 1st pull ran great everything worked. I drive it back to my place about an hour away i start it and about 3 mins later i turn in the blades to test it on my lawn but the grass was a bit high about 6 inchs. i stop about 3 feet in cuz i hear the engine struggle than it starts idling rough. i mowed my lawn for the 1st time with it like that but it was also turning off on me but i believe that was because the grass was to high and i had it on mulch and it was chocking the motor. but i still dont know why it was idling rough.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 may b some gas spilled during transportation beacuse i did stuff it inside a sedan so i tipped it a bit , i checked the filter when i got home but i dont remember iot smelling like gas but it was dirty
@@thesponge914bob if it tipped too far to that side, it spills gas on the filter. That will choke it out really bad. Try putting a new one in and running it for awhile. It can take a little bit to come out of it.
Thinking about picking up a hrx217hya. I don't need it. My $400 2016 model year hrs21 is still kicking grass but I'm kinda freaking out about Honda discontinuing the goat mowers. It'll be like a collectors piece. And maybe in another 5 to 10 years when everyone else is replacing their crap Toros every other year, I'll gas up the new old Honda and be the envy of the neighborhood.
The only downfall with the hrx is the nexite deck is very unforgiving if the lawn you are mowing is very bumpy. The deck is very rigid and not forgiving in those conditions as a steel deck mower that can flex.
One other reason why your Honda would be having a hard time starting is a common problem with the choke system. The thermowax component in the engine block can wear out and the choke won’t work properly. To fix this you have to take off the carburetor and choke assembly to get down there and replace it.
@@brettswindell that would depend on pour definition of common. 3% or so. Carbs are also commonly rebuit on anything. We haven't banned those from production yet.
I have a GCV160 troy bilt model I've had since 2017. I just replaced carburetor and fuel filter. And still having starting issues. I had no idea about the thermowax thing and have it coming in mail this week after learning of it last week. But even if it fixes my mower. I'm still highly considering getting a hrxvka. If not just for the upgrade in engine power alone then definitely for the jump from manual push to self propelled. Lol
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 no i'm just wondering if Honda send any of their mowers with rear rollers to the US for the commercial market but i don't think they do
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 no i'm from Europe don't worry i'm just surprised that the UK doesn't share their commercial Honda models with the US is what i guess i'm saying
Nice mowers! Always buy from a good dealership for the best service. Unfortunately we have different pricing in 🇬🇧 these mowers would start at around £1300!
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971. Around 1500 dollars currently! For a company, probably not that much. But for a self employed 1 man set up, quite expensive!
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971. I genuinely hope to God that honest hard working people like you in the US, don't have to pay the prices that we in 🇬🇧 & 🇦🇺 have to pay! I filled my van up with fuel on Friday and it was almost £10 a gallon 😱, that's around 3 dollars a litre! 😡
I wish Honda made A non self-propelled mower it's hard to find a good push mower I use a writer for most of my lawn but I liked push the front because they cut better a self-propelled options on the Honda and a lot of money also I disagree when the guy said if you changing your height setting more than once a year you're doing something wrong? Maybe it's because I have a crappy mower I double cut the second cut I drop it down one notch it looks fantastic.
I feel like the HYA handle forces your hand in an awkward position. I don’t know if I’m doing something weird. Long straight runs were ok, but when I wanted to adjust a lot going up and down a hill, it felt really awkward.
I have had the 'HZA' I guess you call it.. the one I never see in anyone's videos.. with the speed control and throttle on the handlebars itself and the electric start.. I got mine 5 years ago and having mowed lawns for over 40 years (not professionally but at my own homes since I was a teen till now.. this is hands down the best mower ive ever owned.. im surprised they uppsed the Horsepower as my GCV190 even in really tall grass it really never "chugs" like my previous craftsman mower did even in less tall grass.. I try to keep up where im not adjusting my ehoght or cutting a lot off but reality is i travel for work and sometimes the yard gets away so i raise the height and cut it back to normal over a couple mows with a day or 2 in between.. the 4 separate height adjusters was a PLUS for me as ive had single adjuster mowers.. which wor great when new but after a few years would be a pain.. I find myself often using the CLIP direwctor in the middle to bag half and mulch half if my yard gets too high.. its one of my favorite features ever.. the other thing I notice is that the HRX has even zing to get the grass in the bag even if its not perfectly dry.. I dont have issues with the bag chute getting clogged up or the grass all landing in the front.. the machine can get a bit wheelie-happy when the bag gets near full but that lets me know time to empty.. I went with the HZA because well I can... and im lazy.. i like electric start... esp since here in ohio we find ourselves mowing ion cold weather at the beginning and end of our seasons.. its not unusual to be mowing with hat N gloves on.. my previous craftsman.. yeah if it was 35 degrees outside I was pulling and pulling.. the honda fires right off with the E start.. the engine will sometimes surge up and down a few times right at cold start and no load but thats it then its running and ready to go.. i can easily see this mower lasting a really long time.. as long as they make parts available for it.. im sure at some point something will break and ill need a part.. as for the price.. I bought it (like you say) at a small local shop which services and sells stihl and honda both.. (i was also looking for a stihl trimmer at the time).. I skipped the big box stores entirely.. the neighborhood where that store is located tends to be more upscale.. he said he sold many electric start models.. great Video
I have the GCV200. It does a terrible job of cutting the grass. I've replaced the blades, slowed down my pace while cutting and I cut only dry grass. The blades are installed correctly. Does anyone else get poor results as I explained? I've been cutting grass for 40 years, used many different brands and nothing cuts as bad as this Honda. Anyone else having this issue? What's the solution? Thanks.
Take it to your dealer, and have them check it out. Their reputation is their cut quality, so something is up. What height are you typically cutting at?
@@MrKfq269 I would definitely have it checked out. Particularly the RPMs. It may not be spinning the blades at the right speed. Something's going on anyway.
@MrKfq269 It should still have a tach put on it. They need to run between 3120 and 3180 RPMs. Out of the box, most run around 3000 RPMs. That can make all the difference.
Last year, tried buying HYA at big area dealer (S.E. Iowa). They would not even order one, saying none were available anywhere. Not very accommodating, at all.. . . Now, I’m buying my HYA in Oct. ‘22 from closer small unlisted dealer for $1,000. My unlisted dealer told me Honda lists for $1100, but Honda is having a $30 savings promotion. My small dealer normally has none in stock, but his Honda distributor had 3 in stock. I accepted dealer’s $1000 price, offer, and will pick it up tomorrow. Ready for leaf mulching!
I love my honda cars but I love the personal pace so I ended up going with the Matt black toro super recycler from my local dealer. I have no complaints about my purchase but still drool over the hrx 217 vka when I see one.
Funny you say that. I tried to fix my old HRX 217 (90s vintage) and it was over $500 so I bought a new one - it failed the first time I used it so I took it back and got a refund. I went on marketplace and bought a used Toro front wheel drive recycler and it works great. Not the honda quality on a few things and the bag is a little smaller but I can push it if I need to easily and it starts up on the first pull the same as the Honda
I just quit on a Honda HRX217HXA after 17 years of absolutely problem free use, nothing at all! Cut 1/3 of an acre every 10 -14 days, only changed the oil every year, and spark plug every other year, that is all...nothing replaced or adjusted. Period. God I miss that mower now...I replaced it with a real piece of S**T Toro battery mower.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 That's a pipe dream, can you imagine, grid can't even supply enough power to use AC without rolling black outs during the summer but they are going to swap all the energy fossil fuel supplies,lol. I'm no rocket scientist but you are gonna need lots of lithium, copper and coal to get that done.
@RidgeLine Design It's not a pipe dream, though. Honda, Toro, Husqvarna....they all have one foot out already. Not with riders, but gas walk mowers will be gone in 3-5.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 Combustion engines aren't going anywhere in the commercial realm in 3-5 years. They have no answer besides carry 1000 lbs of batteries with you and the isn't gonna happen.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 Just did some research, CA most likely is to blame, Honda doesn't say that directly but they are the only state suing the pants off Honda. They do say it is because of stricter environmental policies. Montana doesn't have strict policies, Idaho, Dakotas, ect....Its CA that has the strict policies.
I bought this Honda hrx217hya and found that it had following issues: thermowax was defective (starting issue), leaking ohv valve (Honda bond seal) failed. For a $1,000 machine, it should not have any issues. Been researching and others have seen this as well. My Honda dealer replaced the ohv valve but it still leaks 😢. Poor design by Honda in my opinion.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 He didn't buy it from his dealer. He ordered it online and has been complaining on various social media that it is no good and the dealer won't fix it. He thought he was saving money but how much is no headaches if you have problems worth to you for supporting your dealer.
Im in canada bought the hrx217 hzc blade stop,hydrostatic transmission and key start bought from honda 2019 late in season was 1550$ total i brought out in 2020 reached 5 hrs. Did first oil change used rest of seoson was great,same,was great in 2021,brought out 2022 3rd. time out it literally blew up big hole in the left side of block,took to dealer they were shocked never seen that and when looked at it had no answers as to why tech called customer service for me, no go he recommended i call went in front of 5 person panel they come back said no goodwill, i asked reason why they said dealership said was because lack maintenance / lubrication was told once goodwill is declined thats it your done o freaked yold them i want to speak to a supervisor to explain to me what i did to make it blow up was told going back to the 5 persons again will be 5 business days to wait has been 6 haven't heard nothing u think they would stand behind it and help out
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 the dealership said they told honda they didnt know why blew up,yet honda still come back 2x with lack of lubrication,however last time i bought from honda and just picked up from dealership.i asked if i could by new one from them,said yes and he talked to head tech.and will except my 2019 hrx 217 on a trade in ,which was something anyway,they will use for parts waiting for answer on amount everything pretty much new, with only 25hrs. On it, new one is 1550$ again was thinking new ego but i loved this mower before exploded and k have good odds on new one being normal
We had one for almost 20 years and it ran great til the transmission went. I bought a new one 3 weeks ago and the transmission was slipping halfway through the lawn. I took it back and got a refund. The new controls suck too. Honda's days are over.
You know they're the number one selling mowers in the country right? I guess I don't know which control you had and I have never heard of a new transmission "slipping". Sometimes things happen though. Not one brand out there is perfect otherwise there wouldn't be warranties and servicing dealers. Thanks for checking this out though 👍
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 - yeah, that rating is based on the reputation of the mower I've owned for 20 years - not the new ones. The control can only be 3 things but I'm talking about them going to the grey paddle looking system for the self propel system that requires you to push on it with your thumbs rather than just grip it with your hand anywhere. If you actually used one of these on a regular basis or cared about repairing them you would see that hydrostatic transmission problems are the #1 issue with this mower and always have been. A replacement for my old mower is over $300. Since you claim to be ignorant of Honda's issue - as the mower heats up and you run it for more than a test drive - the self propel unit will not be able to move the mower. Typically, you can start mowing at half speed or less and by the time you finish it's on full speed just to get it to move. You can engage the drive and the mower won't move but if you lift the rear wheels they will start turning once there is no resistance. Maybe google it, there are quite a few TH-cam videos that discuss these issues. I had to pay a shop to rebuild the drive line - bushings and c-clips were worn out - which will damage the transmission - once I spent a few hundred bucks to get things right then I found out the transmission itself was bad too. Then I just blindly spent 850 on a new one that couldn't mow a 3/4 acre yard before it failed the VERY FIRST TIME. Honda is DONE!!!! First mower went 20+ years, new one didn't last a day. I have video proof. I hope you enjoy the money you get paid to endorse junk.
@@brettswindell the gray paddle is NOT a hydrostatic. We send 400 of these out the door every year, so I can tell you I see a pretty large sample size. Of course you're going to see some transmission issues. Every type does. And of course there's YT videos on the repair, because nobody makes a video for the ones that are working perfectly fine. Also, nobody is paying me. I'm just delivering information.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 - MY OLD HONDA MOWER IS HYDROSTATIC AND I KNOW THAT FOR A GOD DAMN F&%KING FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF the new one isn't I don't give a damn - it failed whatever it is. I had both the seller and you tell me I'm a f%$king liar and I will never buy another Honda product for the rest of my life. You people are awful and the worst customer service in history. Yeah, our product is perfect - the customer is stupid. You sell, you don't USE. You would sell pure trash to make money and screw AMERICAN companies in the process. Gotta get your BUCKS.
Ya I know you sell and promote Honda LM but I own one and use it regularly and I have to say outside the engine which is awesome the rest of the mower design is hateful. Start from the top the handle ergos are horrible period everything about it needs redesigned, The bag gets half full and the front end gets real light and three quarters is when you popping wheelies and becomes very heavy. At three quarters full you start mulching anyway, The plastic frame very heavy and cant get a good edge cut. Raising and lowering the wheels becomes difficult over time, forget about cutting any hills its to heavy and wants to roll over if your side cutting and of course the wheelies get worse going up hills. Its doesnt do leaf pickup or mulching very well you have to keep going over and over the leaves for pickup. If you have a small flat yard you probably will be fine purchasing this mower but then again any other mower would work as well!
Well I'm not getting paid for this. I just deliver information. You would be the 1 in 10 that doesn't like their Honda mower. Nobody can please everyone. As far as it not mulching or picking up leaves, you have some sort of an issue there. Could be a couple of things. I'm sorry you don't like it. Thanks for the input though 👍
What the hell dude you need to watch some videos on how to operate that's still in my opinion the best mower on the market and that includes the Ego. Had mine since 2009 no ethanol gas changed the spark plug air filter oil at least once a year and they'll run forever leaves and mulching it is top notch!
I dont know these machines aren’t that amazing, I have been using it for a couple days, great build quality and mulching no doubt, but no side chute and no give, it bounces like crazy… That is a big downfall and its a narrow mower, no need to spend over 600 on a 21” mower
Mulching mowers don't use a side discharge and you're going to spend much more if you want anything wider. Wider mowers won't cut as nice either. That's why Honda doesn't make one.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 you literally are saying SHE talks about LARGE sex organs. It's sexist and uncomfortable to watch and share with my customers.
@ormand3000 That may be a sexual reference, but that doesn't make anything I said "sexist". I'm sorry we find everything so offensive anymore. You probably shouldn't share these with your customers. I would also suggest they never turn on a TV if they can't handle a "That's what she said" joke. My apologies for being so offensive.
If you can't (or won't) say it In front of a female customer or coworker/employee, don't say it at all. I don't need your mansplaining what "sexism" is to me. Good day.
@@ormand3000 Then don't watch it!! Nobody forced you to sit through his lawn mower video, and in what BIZARRE situation would you and a "customer" of yours be watching a youtube review of a Honda lawn mower???
I have had mine for around 17 years also, and only 1 service visit. Best ever. Take care of them and it will treat you right!
I love Honda mower’s ❤ But I would not pay extra for electric start because they always start with one pull.
This is a very good comparison review of all the Honda mower models of all the features offered and the prices for each model. I recently ordered the HRX217HZA and it is due in shortly. It will be my first Honda, so I am looking forward to using it for many years to come. Thank you for this review video!
Thanks for the watch and the kind words! I hope you love the new mower!
I just got the HYA. Performance is what I expect but the handle wasn’t as comfortable as the belt drive transmission I had before. Another thing I noticed was that when the bag was full, the weight made it tip back and the front wheels lift off the ground. I did notice a lot of dirt was sucked up because of where I was mowing, so that may not be typical.
Thank you! I just bought one of the last available HONDA HRX217HYA in my area.
You'll love it and it should last a long time.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 I have one and it is a piece of junk!
HRX217HZA best mower I’ve ever owned, key start clutch self propelled worth every penny. I didn’t need a mower this fancy when I was in my 20’s or 30’s, or 40’s, but now I don’t skimp. Best walk behind on the market.
I'm so glad you love it! That is such a nice mower.
Thanks! This was the best HRX217 series overview that I have found.
Thank you, and I'm glad I could help.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 the Honda mower is failed 😞 why have camshaft gear in plastic pvc 3d printed and reduce the horsepower torque from itself
The various drive controls..... Can you help me understand the different drives systems on the HRN and HRX. I've used the HRN. The more the drive handle is rotated, the faster the mower goes. On the HRX with Select Drive - when you hold the paddle in, does it go right to the speed you have set in the dial OR does the speed vary depending how far the paddle is pushed (kind of like the HRN)? And finally, I see two levers on the Hydro static drive (8:30). Orange, which you described and the a small Black one next to it. Is the Orange lever a micro adjustment of where the Black lever is placed or? Between waiting for the Zoysia to fill in on our front yard and all the short runs and obstacles in the back, there are many times when I want to vary the speed.Thinking the HRN may be a better drive for me. Thoughts? Deciding which to buy before they become totally unavailable. Great, great, great reviews BTW.
I just used mine for the first time today.. I cut 3 foot tall wet grass.. I'm impressed
Glad you're liking it 👍
After I tried 3 different high end EGO mowers with all three failing to run after motor overload. I decided to stick with a gas mower. I watched this review and bought a Honda HRN216VKA on his recommendation. I brought it home set it up, (very easy to do) mowed my 1/4 acre of lawn and was done. The bag filled completely, unlike my previous Toro and Craftsman mowers. I knew the bag was full when I saw clippings being left on the lawn. I think this is the best walk behind mower I've ever used. If your looking to buy and can patronize this man, I'd do it. Trust him. He knows what he's talking about. South Dakota is a bit far from New Mexico for me so I bought at my local Lowes. Thanks for the review and recommendation.
I'm glad I could help and that you're liking the mower! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Bought an HRX-217 in 2014 from HD. Just used it yesterday to mulch leaves. It still works perfectly. I have had to replace bits and bobs over the years but nothing major. I do change the oil and air filter regularly. This thing will probably still be running long after I'm gone.
Same here. I wore out my first 217 in 10 years because I have a huge yard and just picked up my 2nd new 217 yesterday. It was $ 200 more than my 1st one but I had to get one since they're discontinued. Not a fan of the battery mowers. Such a shame Honda is out of the mower market.
6:15 Do you know the part number for the bolts that the handle pivots on when you fold it? Not the gray knobs, but the bolt beside it, and nut or whatever is used to hold that pivot bolt on? It doesn’t show that part on the parts list for my mower, for some reason. Previous owner just tightened a standard nut and bolt there, but I need the original parts. Thanks!
That whole assembly comes in a kit now. It's 06530-VL0-315ZA.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 Thank you.
I have 6 acres of lawn. I use a 72" Scag Cheetah for 98% of my lawn. The rest is trim and I will say that the VKA is more than adequate for what I need. It is hands down the best push mower I have ever used. It has made my life much easier.
I'm glad you like it and thanks for the watch!
I’m having trouble deciding between the VKA vs the VYA. Hearing this video the key difference is the Roto Stop Blade control. But what does the black bar do on the VKA that’s labeled Blade Control? Does that cut the engine when you release it? I might be confused why they are calling it blade control if that’s the case
That kills the engine and everything when you let go on the VKA. The VYA it will let the engine run and just turns the blades on or off.
Very helpful thank you!! Great review video much appreciated
I have one that 20 years old and one 7 years old, both start on first pull every spring. Can’t get much better.
I'm glad you like them!
Great video! Thank you for the excellent breakdown of Their models!
Thanks for watching!
With Honda exiting the small lawnmower engine market ( they're staying in the larger commercial-grade market ), are they effectively exiting the consumer mower market also? Will parts be a problem going forward?
Honda is done making a gas walk mower now. Parts will continue to be available, but they won't produce new mowers anymore.
How well does the rear discharge work in comparison to a side discharge mower like my old Toro recycler? I need a new mower but I use side discharge 99% of the time.
It just mulches everything up more than the Toro. It'll work just fine for you.
can you put the blade cluctch on the vya on the vka? I have the vka that i bought at the home depot and want the blade clutch like the vya.
I suppose you could try. It would probably be pretty expensive. Out of the box, it's $100, but buying all the parts afterward will cost quite a bit more.
Is the GCV200 noisier than the previous 190s? I have my new HRX a month and I’ve noticed the valves seem kinda loud. It’s running perfectly but I’d like to know if the chatter is normal in the gcv200.
I've noticed you can hear the valves a little more on the 200. Seems to be normal, though. The 190s seem a touch louder overall. I think the 200s have a slightly more robust muffler.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 yeah overall the 200 is quieter. The Valve chatter keeps making me think it’s knocking. The dealer wants to charge $65 to tell me if it sounds normal. I don’t hear the valve chatter until it’s warmed up about 10-15 minutes.
@@StuartNC I wouldn't worry about it. Other than a valve cover leak, I haven't seen any of them back with a valve problem.
How will the plastic deck hold up against the occasional big rock or protruding tree root gets in the way?
It holds up to people driving over them, I've learned. Lol
What about the cam problems with the 200? Not to mention Honda is longer maker push mowers.
The cam issue started last year (2023 models) on about 10% of them. There was a faulty part, and Honda covers it. Honda is stopping mower production this year. They won't be available much longer.
Thank you for the great reviews! I'm between the HRN 216 VKA ($999 in my country) and the HRX 217 HYA ($1699). Do you think the better engine and the hydrostatic transmission are worth the difference to go with the 217?
The HYA really is the best, but not always necessary. It just depends on how much you're mowing and how long you want to keep it. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 Thank you! It'd be my first (and hopefully last) one so I want it to last many years. I live in a rural area so my lawn it's not regular and there's grass everywhere, it's not a marked rectangle or something like that. So you'd go with the 217 I guess?
@BernardoLarrosa I usually tell people that if it takes you an hour or more to mow, buy and HRX. My HRR (old version of HRN) has lasted 20 years, but it's always mowed a small 20-30 minute lot. So it really doesn't have a ton of hours on it.
I wanted the hZa but I had to get the hya because the hZa was taking too long. Can I add electric start to the hya ?
I can't remember, but I believe the engines were cast differently for the electric start. I'm pretty sure you can't add it, and if you did, it would cost much more to buy the parts individually.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 that's a shame. I'd pay to add it
What’s the biggest difference between the select drive and the hydrostatic drive? Worth the investment? Better transmission?
The hydro is a much better transmission
After using my 217HRX VKA for a year, I absolutely 💯 love that mower. Looking at the hydrostatic for my other one, but not sure just yet.
I'm glad you're loving it!
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 Absolutely recommend it - my son and I do lawn jobs all summer so it's running almost like a commercial mower with no issues. Definitely get what you pay for.
Has Honda corrected the initial problem with the Auto choke on current models being sold now?
There really isn't this mass problem that everyone thinks there is. I haven't had any come back with this newest engine. We sell around 400 per year.
Great video, thank you! I have both, an HRX217VKA and a similar HRN216. The 217 I use at home and the 216 I use to do several "charity cuts" I do for a few older couples in our neighborhood. I was surprised at the differences between these two mowers. The larger wheels on the 217 greatly improve the controllability. My 217 is pulling a "striper" which I'm sure is a considerable load on the propulsion system but it handles it great. Engine power is fantastic and the blade cut is the best I've ever seen. I like the 217's self-propelled control levers much better (on top vs. pushing with your thumbs on the bottom of the handle) than the 216's. As you noted both are great mowers but with all I know now I wish I had spent the extra $200 and purchased the second 217 rather than the 216. Once again, thanks for the very educational video on these two great mowers.
Thanks for watching, and I'm glad you like both!
Great informational video, helped a ton!
Can you make a video on the HRC series?
I won't be able to now. We can't get them, and Honda won't be making them by next year. Thanks for the feedback, though!
I like the older speed control where I can slow it down without turning a dial. With the new speed control, can I still slow it down if I'm in some heavy grass or does putting less pressure on the speed lever just make it stop completely?
You can ease off that lever and slow it down. It virtual works exactly like the old one, but you can regulate it now.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 oh I see thank you!
When you showed the under deck of VKA I noticed something. In your video, the shiny piece that the blades rest on is a round piece. But that piece apparently was redesigned in the later VKA models to look like the one in HRN (shaped like a bow). Can possibly you confirm this?
@@rezanorouzian8198 The VKA would have the bow tie shaped blade holder. I had a VYA or an HYA tipped over in the video. That round piece is part of the blade clutch assembly.
@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 thanks! But the round piece also shows in the pictures that Honda has on its website for VKA. I also wonder if there is a way to tell the production year for these movers using the information on their box (ex. Serial no., UPN, etc.)?
@rezanorouzian8198 They didn't change any of those parts mid-model. If you look up parts for HRX217K6VKA, you'll only see they one design. A different generation (K5, K4, etc.) could be different.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 also wonder if there is a way to tell the production year for these movers using the information on their box (ex. Serial no., UPN, etc.)?
@@rezanorouzian8198 You can find it with the serial number. I'm not sure if you can look it up on a consumer site, but a dealer can definitely find it for you.
Thanks for the video, It really helped deciphering the HRX lineup! What are your thoughts comparing the HRX vs the HRC lineup?
The HRC isn't very popular. It's very heavy and actually has a smaller engine. They're tanks though.
I had a 217 HRX I bought in 2009. It ran great but I wanted one with the blade break so I bought another Honda last year. Sorry they're not making them anymore because they are great mowers.
They really were the best bang for the buck.
I have a dumb (to most) question. I like to push my mower and use the drive when I need it (I'm old and need the exercise). Can you do that with the HRX21K6VKA or does it "click/cause issues"? I'm hoping this model will allow it. I believe it's belt-driven
You can just push them. They will click, but that's just the ratchets allowing it to freewheel.
Would you buy the hydrostatic machine over the non hydro. I’m looking at the HRX217Vka for $699 or the HRX217HYA for $879. For $180 extra dollars you get the blade stop and the cruise control. Is it worth it?
The hydro is absolutely the nicest drive they offer. I would say decide if you want the blade clutch though.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 it’s nice since I have gravel and moving things in my yard. I think I made my decision. Pricey for sure but I use my mower way more than my snowblower. My snowblower that’s a Honda retails for $3600. This is only $879 + tac
I've had my HYA for about 7 years now, and the hydro trans was definitely worth the money for me. I couldn't see spending the money for an HRX without getting the hydro trans. The control and function is perfect -- it's like the mower's reading your mind. I'm spoiled now, and I thoroughly intend to stay that way!
@@rbarr775 I'm glad you love it
You should mention that you cover all the variants in your description because that was very useful. Good reason to watch the video.
Thank you!
Do you prefer the VYA or the HYA?
The HYA/HZA are the best models they make.
@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 is it worth the extra money? The VYA and HYA are very similar.
Did the oil leak problem get fixed?
I guess valve covers leak sometimes. They're a pretty simple fix. There's no mass recall or service bulletin, though.
I'm looking at buying a HRC when one comes available. Only my yard, no commercial use, but I like repairable and commercial grade parts. Am I a fool for skipping over the HRX217? I love the power they have with the 200.
Don't buy the HRC. It is extremely heavy and has a smaller engine and same transmission as the HRX217HYA.
On earlier HRX217's, one of the complaints about the clip director is that it doesn't block clippings adequately when set in the full mulch position. That is, a considerable amount of grass accumulates in the chute after mowing a moderately sized lawn. Thus, it requires an extra step of blowing or otherwise clearing the chute out. I have experienced this as well on three different HRX's, dating from the mid-2000's to as recently as a 2017 model. Have the redesigned newer models fixed this issue? Thanks.
I've seen that on a few. It's the same design, but I haven't seen it on the newest generation. The old ones can be adjusted, too.
I just flip it from mulch to full bag back and forth three four times before I shut it down. Always good to grab the leaf blower and blast out your lawn mowers before putting them up regardless of make/model.
My HRX is 16 or 17 years old and I've never had that problem over the course of a single mow. After many months of mowing some of the fine, dead clippings may leak through but no "considerable amount." Another point related to this is that when mulching the bag is not in use so the hinged door is closed. However, that door is shaped such that any clippings that do get into the chute will drop out the back. Even when I've accidentally forgotten to change from "Bag" to "Mulch," the clippings go through the chute and drop out the back. I guess I don't understand your problem.
Fantastic-Detailed-Professional comparison! After watching your video I purchased the HRX-VYA as seen in the video at my local/family owned Honda dealer. I did call Lowe's for a price comparison and after waiting 20 minutes for the Lowe's sales associate to get back to me, she said she couldn't find the lawn mowers in her store! After going in they didn't even carry that model of HRX. Box stores SUCK! and can not compete with the knowledge and service you get from a LOCAL dealer, especially now in these challenging times. Appreciate you for going over and above.
Thank you so much and I hope you like the mower!
Do all of the models mulch the clippings the same or are the more expensive mowers better at it? I'm basically looking for the best mulcher, I don't need all of the bells and whistles. Thanks.
The HRXs will do a little better than the HRNs in thicker or taller grass. They have more power and the deck clears out better. All the HRXs will cut the same though. They mulch really well.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 thank you very much for the advice and reply.
@@JW-_ Absolutely! Thanks for watching 👍
Thanks for this. I had no idea they made all those different versions. Sounds like I did pretty good getting a used 7 year old HYA for $250. They were asking $350 but didn't have many hits because all the other hondas were priced around $200. And most people think "a honda's a honda". Looking forward to mowing now!
Dont know what part of the universe you live in but in my part of the universe you they want $500 and sometimes more even though they look abused. DEC2023 and dont see alot of them anymore at dealers. I think stock is almost out. They stopped producing them not long ago
@@temujinkhan6326 in Dallas so pretty big market here
Can you tell me what the Horse Power is?
There somewhere around a 6hp. Nobody really markets hp on that small of engine anymore.
I wonder if Toro is going to pick up the Versamow patent when it expires. Hate to see it go. . .
I would be surprised. They're all going to quit making gas-powered mowers very soon anyway.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 It could go on an electric mower as well. Hopefully Honda has an electric out by 2024.
After almost 15 years with a top of the line Honda mower and not a single repair needed decided to purchase a new one before they stop production. Not so good luck with the new one, out of the box defective. The compression release mechanism is not working making it very difficult to start. Unfortunately Honda nor Northern Tool will replace it but requiring me to take it in to their shop. The GCV200 has the cam internal with push rods rather than overhead cam. With the new set up the engine requires complete disassembly to replace the cam and compression relief mechanism. I am disappointed to buy a new mower and have the engine completely taken apart and reassembled. Unexpected from Honda to ship it with the defect. The pull cord abruptly stopped when I first pulled it so hard it bent the keeper on the handle. Have you encountered this problem? The mechanic at the shop said they had just completed one and that the part is on backorder. Have you encountered this or is mine a rare issue? th-cam.com/video/MPvxokO1YII/w-d-xo.html
That sucks. Things happen sometimes, though. We replaced a handful of those in our shop, but we've sold somewhere around 1000 mowers with GCV200 engines. So, I wouldn't say it's a major issue, and that's why they have warranties. There's a fail rate for everything.
I would have bought one of these a few years ago if they made a wider cut push mower
Is the hrr217vka Q worthy upgrade from a hi pendant hrr216vka?
The HRX would be a definite upgrade, but both are nice mowers. It would more power and more features anyway. Thanks 👍
So I bought an hrn 217 last spring and I anytime I cut low, the mower seems to struggle with the thicker turf. Even a little bit of moisture in the grass causes it to struggle. Not impressed at all with the mower honestly. Would the hrx struggle with low, thick Bermuda? I do t mind spending the $, but just want a mower that doesn’t seem to get bogged down like that. Another thing I miss from my toro is the quarter in height cuts, which my current Honda hrn doesn’t offer.
If an HRX wouldn't handle it, you have a deeper issue. The HRX has a 200cc engine, which is as big as you'll find on a 21" mower. The HRN may need to be adjusted, too. Getting the RPMs up may help it out.
Is there a way I can manually up the rpm’s on my hrn?
@@cbak87 You need to tweak the governor linkage. If you don't have a tac, I wouldn't recommend doing it yourself.
Great video thank you for sharing
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 You’re welcome it was very helpful
My HRX was hard to start, come to find out the thermowax choke actuator goes bad. It's a small 12 dollar part but why not just stick with the simple manual choke? I ended up selling it because it was too heavy for the hills in my yard. Mowing across the hill, it would slide down, hard to do a straight line. No matter what mower you buy, you still gotta get out there and do the work.
The auto chokes work fine and are cheap to fix. You'd see just as many choke cables being replaced with a manual choke. There's not a whole lot of lighter ones out there. I hope you found something that works though. Thanks for checking this out 👍
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 - the old HRX manual choke never had a problem for my mower - another failure of the new model. Keep defending them and blaming the customer - see how that works for ya.
You are 1 example. That's a pretty small sample size. I've replaced my choke cable on my old on and have numerous friends with auto chokes that haven't touched them. Also didn't blame any customers. 🤷♂️
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 While the thermowax is a cheap part, it's not easy to diagnose. Two or three service trips before figuring it out. Right now I have a 1994 and 2002 Lawn Boy 2 cycle which are ideal for hills as there won't be any oil starvation.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 - yet in another comment you say it's a frequently replaced part. Typical lying POS. Yeah, I wonder how many people put a honda mower in the trash over a choke cable - compared to a $300 transmission.
With the mulch door, does it get hard to operate if you’ve cut some wet grass and it’s dried to the underside of the mower deck?
I suppose it can over time. You may have to clean it out occasionally, but that should be done on any mower.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 I suppose, I was just wondering if that was a common complaint?
@@bdawg8907 My experience especially if you are bagging is to only mow when your grass is dry. Mowing wet grass will eventually stop up the fabric on your bag and prevent airflow which causes bagging problems. This is only with Hondas but any brand mower.
@@darrellgoggin yeah, that’s a good point.
Question? I bought the Honda HRX 201 from lowe's. Is that a good one?
Any HRX is a good mower
Ok cool thank you
THANKS FOR THIS VERY WELL EXPLAINED VIDEO. 👍
Thanks for the watch!
Great video! Thanks!
I really appreciate it!
I listen and I just observe I listen to every word you say and I just observe I'll just say thank you
Hidden arrogance you heard some creepy noises in the back you say you doing everything fair in your shop you treating everybody well you're not discriminating you're not taking something for somebody and said you negotiated fair and square don't be afraid you didn't do anything wrong
Do they make a HRC217 I need to replace my HRC216XHA(california) I see a lot of landscapers on TH-cam use Toro mowers what Toro mower would make a good replacement for my Honda HRC I'm thinking of giving them a try
Its an HRC216 technically, but they still make them. It's just at the "K3" generation now. It's a heavy tank. The HRX is much lighter.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 The HRC216 comes with a heavier price tag as well thanks for the info/video
@@jamesherder3712 The commercial ones always do lol. Thank you.
so i was gifted a HYA by a family friend as house gift but it was used only for 1 and half seasons in NY. He showed me how to use it and it turned on 1st pull ran great everything worked. I drive it back to my place about an hour away i start it and about 3 mins later i turn in the blades to test it on my lawn but the grass was a bit high about 6 inchs. i stop about 3 feet in cuz i hear the engine struggle than it starts idling rough. i mowed my lawn for the 1st time with it like that but it was also turning off on me but i believe that was because the grass was to high and i had it on mulch and it was chocking the motor. but i still dont know why it was idling rough.
That sucks! Did any gas spill out near the carb or does the air filter smell like gas?
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 may b some gas spilled during transportation beacuse i did stuff it inside a sedan so i tipped it a bit , i checked the filter when i got home but i dont remember iot smelling like gas but it was dirty
@@thesponge914bob if it tipped too far to that side, it spills gas on the filter. That will choke it out really bad. Try putting a new one in and running it for awhile. It can take a little bit to come out of it.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 ok will do later this week . i will let you know how it goes.
@@thesponge914bob good luck and keep me posted 👍
my hrx 217 is hard to pull backwards... axel corroded
@@bobhammond-e8r You do have to clean and grease the axles and ratchets.
Is Home Depot cheaper quality than Honda dealership Honda mowers?
Great question. Not at all. They are the same either way.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 okay thank you. All my Honda dealers sold out of hrx217 models. I may just grab from Home Depot
@@appleztooranges totally understand. Thanks for watching and the question.
New sub here. I have the 2008 hrx 217.
I got one used an HRX217 190cc it needed some work runs great now just have to fix the auto choke..
It'll last you a long time. I hope you like it.
I wish Honda still sold mowers and didn't put a stop sale on all the inventory that was on hand.
They'll get the issue narrowed down, but they won't be around long after that.
I gotta snag a new one when they go back up for sale if they do to sell off the rest of the inventory.@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971
Thinking about picking up a hrx217hya. I don't need it. My $400 2016 model year hrs21 is still kicking grass but I'm kinda freaking out about Honda discontinuing the goat mowers.
It'll be like a collectors piece. And maybe in another 5 to 10 years when everyone else is replacing their crap Toros every other year, I'll gas up the new old Honda and be the envy of the neighborhood.
Love it 🤣
what is diff between hydro and belt model? How is maintenca for each?
The hydro is much more durable with fewer wear parts. It's virtually maintenance free.
The only downfall with the hrx is the nexite deck is very unforgiving if the lawn you are mowing is very bumpy. The deck is very rigid and not forgiving in those conditions as a steel deck mower that can flex.
I guess I've never seen a well-built steel mower flex a bunch either. You're right thought. It doesn't flex much.
One other reason why your Honda would be having a hard time starting is a common problem with the choke system. The thermowax component in the engine block can wear out and the choke won’t work properly. To fix this you have to take off the carburetor and choke assembly to get down there and replace it.
Yes, that is a commonly replaced part.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 - if it's commonly replaced that means it's not a good part or design.
@@brettswindell that would depend on pour definition of common. 3% or so. Carbs are also commonly rebuit on anything. We haven't banned those from production yet.
I have a GCV160 troy bilt model I've had since 2017. I just replaced carburetor and fuel filter. And still having starting issues. I had no idea about the thermowax thing and have it coming in mail this week after learning of it last week. But even if it fixes my mower. I'm still highly considering getting a hrxvka. If not just for the upgrade in engine power alone then definitely for the jump from manual push to self propelled. Lol
wish the deck was wider than 21 inch
Honda doesn't because wider decks don't cut as nice. That's just their business model.
what about the reae roller Honda's in the US
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@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 no i'm just wondering if Honda send any of their mowers with rear rollers to the US for the commercial market but i don't think they do
@@DarthSidious11 I've seen some aftermarket ones you can mount on a Honda. That's all I know of though.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 no i'm from Europe don't worry i'm just surprised that the UK doesn't share their commercial Honda models with the US is what i guess i'm saying
Nice mowers! Always buy from a good dealership for the best service. Unfortunately we have different pricing in 🇬🇧 these mowers would start at around £1300!
I don't how that compares to US dollar but it sounds expensive lol
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971. Around 1500 dollars currently! For a company, probably not that much. But for a self employed 1 man set up, quite expensive!
@@tgsgardenmaintenance4627 That really is expensive! We just had increases here again. The HYA is $1000 now.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971. I genuinely hope to God that honest hard working people like you in the US, don't have to pay the prices that we in 🇬🇧 & 🇦🇺 have to pay! I filled my van up with fuel on Friday and it was almost £10 a gallon 😱, that's around 3 dollars a litre! 😡
Is it rear drive?
All Hondas are.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 thanks
Great explanation on the differences between the Honda mower models. I wish your Honda store was here in Wisconsin being Wisconsin doesn't have one.
I really appreciate it! You don't have any dealers near you, huh?
There's plenty of Honda dealers just outside of Milwaukee area.
I wish Honda made A non self-propelled mower it's hard to find a good push mower I use a writer for most of my lawn but I liked push the front because they cut better a self-propelled options on the Honda and a lot of money also I disagree when the guy said if you changing your height setting more than once a year you're doing something wrong? Maybe it's because I have a crappy mower I double cut the second cut I drop it down one notch it looks fantastic.
They make a push version in the HRN, and it's only $10 cheaper than the self-propelled version.
I feel like the HYA handle forces your hand in an awkward position. I don’t know if I’m doing something weird. Long straight runs were ok, but when I wanted to adjust a lot going up and down a hill, it felt really awkward.
where's the grass?
Under the snow? Lol
I have had the 'HZA' I guess you call it.. the one I never see in anyone's videos.. with the speed control and throttle on the handlebars itself and the electric start.. I got mine 5 years ago and having mowed lawns for over 40 years (not professionally but at my own homes since I was a teen till now.. this is hands down the best mower ive ever owned.. im surprised they uppsed the Horsepower as my GCV190 even in really tall grass it really never "chugs" like my previous craftsman mower did even in less tall grass.. I try to keep up where im not adjusting my ehoght or cutting a lot off but reality is i travel for work and sometimes the yard gets away so i raise the height and cut it back to normal over a couple mows with a day or 2 in between.. the 4 separate height adjusters was a PLUS for me as ive had single adjuster mowers.. which wor great when new but after a few years would be a pain.. I find myself often using the CLIP direwctor in the middle to bag half and mulch half if my yard gets too high.. its one of my favorite features ever.. the other thing I notice is that the HRX has even zing to get the grass in the bag even if its not perfectly dry.. I dont have issues with the bag chute getting clogged up or the grass all landing in the front.. the machine can get a bit wheelie-happy when the bag gets near full but that lets me know time to empty.. I went with the HZA because well I can... and im lazy.. i like electric start... esp since here in ohio we find ourselves mowing ion cold weather at the beginning and end of our seasons.. its not unusual to be mowing with hat N gloves on.. my previous craftsman.. yeah if it was 35 degrees outside I was pulling and pulling.. the honda fires right off with the E start.. the engine will sometimes surge up and down a few times right at cold start and no load but thats it then its running and ready to go.. i can easily see this mower lasting a really long time.. as long as they make parts available for it.. im sure at some point something will break and ill need a part.. as for the price.. I bought it (like you say) at a small local shop which services and sells stihl and honda both.. (i was also looking for a stihl trimmer at the time).. I skipped the big box stores entirely.. the neighborhood where that store is located tends to be more upscale.. he said he sold many electric start models.. great Video
Thank you! I'm glad you like the video AND the mower!
I have the GCV200. It does a terrible job of cutting the grass. I've replaced the blades, slowed down my pace while cutting and I cut only dry grass. The blades are installed correctly. Does anyone else get poor results as I explained? I've been cutting grass for 40 years, used many different brands and nothing cuts as bad as this Honda. Anyone else having this issue? What's the solution? Thanks.
Take it to your dealer, and have them check it out. Their reputation is their cut quality, so something is up. What height are you typically cutting at?
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 cut is at position 3.
@@MrKfq269 I would definitely have it checked out. Particularly the RPMs. It may not be spinning the blades at the right speed. Something's going on anyway.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 rpms are fine. Not too high not too low. Just like other mowers.
@MrKfq269 It should still have a tach put on it. They need to run between 3120 and 3180 RPMs. Out of the box, most run around 3000 RPMs. That can make all the difference.
did the price go up a $100 on them? I'm seeing the HYA around 879 now, i think last year was around 729ish
Yes, they have all gone up over the last two years.
I paid 700 for mine got lucky I guess!
Last year, tried buying HYA at big area dealer (S.E. Iowa). They would not even order one, saying none were available anywhere. Not very accommodating, at all.. . . Now, I’m buying my HYA in Oct. ‘22 from closer small unlisted dealer for $1,000. My unlisted dealer told me Honda lists for $1100, but Honda is having a $30 savings promotion. My small dealer normally has none in stock, but his Honda distributor had 3 in stock. I accepted dealer’s $1000 price, offer, and will pick it up tomorrow. Ready for leaf mulching!
Yes
I love my honda cars but I love the personal pace so I ended up going with the Matt black toro super recycler from my local dealer. I have no complaints about my purchase but still drool over the hrx 217 vka when I see one.
Nothin wrong with that! Thanks for checking this out 👍
Funny you say that. I tried to fix my old HRX 217 (90s vintage) and it was over $500 so I bought a new one - it failed the first time I used it so I took it back and got a refund. I went on marketplace and bought a used Toro front wheel drive recycler and it works great. Not the honda quality on a few things and the bag is a little smaller but I can push it if I need to easily and it starts up on the first pull the same as the Honda
It's the one that's $939Honda HRX 201-cc 21-in Self-Propelled Gas Lawn Mower with Blade Stop System
I just quit on a Honda HRX217HXA after 17 years of absolutely problem free use, nothing at all! Cut 1/3 of an acre every 10 -14 days, only changed the oil every year, and spark plug every other year, that is all...nothing replaced or adjusted. Period. God I miss that mower now...I replaced it with a real piece of S**T Toro battery mower.
@@dougpence3862 I'm sorry for your loss! Lol
I heard honda isn't making lawn mowers any more because of CA.
It's not a CA thing. Everyone is getting out of gas walk mowers in the next few years.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 That's a pipe dream, can you imagine, grid can't even supply enough power to use AC without rolling black outs during the summer but they are going to swap all the energy fossil fuel supplies,lol. I'm no rocket scientist but you are gonna need lots of lithium, copper and coal to get that done.
@RidgeLine Design It's not a pipe dream, though. Honda, Toro, Husqvarna....they all have one foot out already. Not with riders, but gas walk mowers will be gone in 3-5.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 Combustion engines aren't going anywhere in the commercial realm in 3-5 years. They have no answer besides carry 1000 lbs of batteries with you and the isn't gonna happen.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 Just did some research, CA most likely is to blame, Honda doesn't say that directly but they are the only state suing the pants off Honda. They do say it is because of stricter environmental policies. Montana doesn't have strict policies, Idaho, Dakotas, ect....Its CA that has the strict policies.
I bought this Honda hrx217hya and found that it had following issues: thermowax was defective (starting issue), leaking ohv valve (Honda bond seal) failed. For a $1,000 machine, it should not have any issues. Been researching and others have seen this as well. My Honda dealer replaced the ohv valve but it still leaks 😢. Poor design by Honda in my opinion.
Nobody makes a perfect product, or they wouldn't have warranties. Your dealer should have been able to fix it, though. I'd have them take care of it.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 He didn't buy it from his dealer. He ordered it online and has been complaining on various social media that it is no good and the dealer won't fix it. He thought he was saving money but how much is no headaches if you have problems worth to you for supporting your dealer.
The Lack Of A Rear Discharge Chute Was A Deal Breaker For Me. I Didn't Like The Clippings Getting Blown On My Feet.
Im in canada bought the hrx217 hzc blade stop,hydrostatic transmission and key start bought from honda 2019 late in season was 1550$ total i brought out in 2020 reached 5 hrs. Did first oil change used rest of seoson was great,same,was great in 2021,brought out 2022 3rd. time out it literally blew up big hole in the left side of block,took to dealer they were shocked never seen that and when looked at it had no answers as to why tech called customer service for me, no go he recommended i call went in front of 5 person panel they come back said no goodwill, i asked reason why they said dealership said was because lack maintenance / lubrication was told once goodwill is declined thats it your done o freaked yold them i want to speak to a supervisor to explain to me what i did to make it blow up was told going back to the 5 persons again will be 5 business days to wait has been 6 haven't heard nothing u think they would stand behind it and help out
That would be on your dealer if they relayed "lack of maintenance" to Honda. I would find out from the dealer how they came to that conclusion.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 the dealership said they told honda they didnt know why blew up,yet honda still come back 2x with lack of lubrication,however last time i bought from honda and just picked up from dealership.i asked if i could by new one from them,said yes and he talked to head tech.and will except my 2019 hrx 217 on a trade in ,which was something anyway,they will use for parts waiting for answer on amount everything pretty much new, with only 25hrs. On it, new one is 1550$ again was thinking new ego but i loved this mower before exploded and k have good odds on new one being normal
I live around Altoona Pennsylvania no one has Honda mowers no can get one
It's going to be a tough year for getting them, that's for sure.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 I guess I'm stuck with the battery lawn mower I currently have for another year. It doesn't cut grass well
@@robertscott305 I just tell guys to be patient and keep your eyes open. You'll see them eventually.
Pretty sure Lowe's state college has 10 of them. Headed there today to get my HRX
@@PiningAway462 found one in Johnstown Pa at a dealer they actually have a nice selection got a HRX2176VKA
That noise was just me creepin, sorry.
Weirdest part is...you didn't stick around for a beer.
We had one for almost 20 years and it ran great til the transmission went. I bought a new one 3 weeks ago and the transmission was slipping halfway through the lawn. I took it back and got a refund. The new controls suck too. Honda's days are over.
You know they're the number one selling mowers in the country right? I guess I don't know which control you had and I have never heard of a new transmission "slipping". Sometimes things happen though. Not one brand out there is perfect otherwise there wouldn't be warranties and servicing dealers. Thanks for checking this out though 👍
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 - yeah, that rating is based on the reputation of the mower I've owned for 20 years - not the new ones. The control can only be 3 things but I'm talking about them going to the grey paddle looking system for the self propel system that requires you to push on it with your thumbs rather than just grip it with your hand anywhere. If you actually used one of these on a regular basis or cared about repairing them you would see that hydrostatic transmission problems are the #1 issue with this mower and always have been. A replacement for my old mower is over $300. Since you claim to be ignorant of Honda's issue - as the mower heats up and you run it for more than a test drive - the self propel unit will not be able to move the mower. Typically, you can start mowing at half speed or less and by the time you finish it's on full speed just to get it to move. You can engage the drive and the mower won't move but if you lift the rear wheels they will start turning once there is no resistance. Maybe google it, there are quite a few TH-cam videos that discuss these issues. I had to pay a shop to rebuild the drive line - bushings and c-clips were worn out - which will damage the transmission - once I spent a few hundred bucks to get things right then I found out the transmission itself was bad too. Then I just blindly spent 850 on a new one that couldn't mow a 3/4 acre yard before it failed the VERY FIRST TIME. Honda is DONE!!!! First mower went 20+ years, new one didn't last a day. I have video proof. I hope you enjoy the money you get paid to endorse junk.
@@brettswindell the gray paddle is NOT a hydrostatic. We send 400 of these out the door every year, so I can tell you I see a pretty large sample size. Of course you're going to see some transmission issues. Every type does. And of course there's YT videos on the repair, because nobody makes a video for the ones that are working perfectly fine. Also, nobody is paying me. I'm just delivering information.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 - MY OLD HONDA MOWER IS HYDROSTATIC AND I KNOW THAT FOR A GOD DAMN F&%KING FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF the new one isn't I don't give a damn - it failed whatever it is. I had both the seller and you tell me I'm a f%$king liar and I will never buy another Honda product for the rest of my life. You people are awful and the worst customer service in history. Yeah, our product is perfect - the customer is stupid. You sell, you don't USE. You would sell pure trash to make money and screw AMERICAN companies in the process. Gotta get your BUCKS.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 they probably didn't have the cable adjusted. Get yourself the HYA model it's the best.
Ya I know you sell and promote Honda LM but I own one and use it regularly and I have to say outside the engine which is awesome the rest of the mower design is hateful. Start from the top the handle ergos are horrible period everything about it needs redesigned, The bag gets half full and the front end gets real light and three quarters is when you popping wheelies and becomes very heavy. At three quarters full you start mulching anyway, The plastic frame very heavy and cant get a good edge cut. Raising and lowering the wheels becomes difficult over time, forget about cutting any hills its to heavy and wants to roll over if your side cutting and of course the wheelies get worse going up hills. Its doesnt do leaf pickup or mulching very well you have to keep going over and over the leaves for pickup. If you have a small flat yard you probably will be fine purchasing this mower but then again any other mower would work as well!
Well I'm not getting paid for this. I just deliver information. You would be the 1 in 10 that doesn't like their Honda mower. Nobody can please everyone. As far as it not mulching or picking up leaves, you have some sort of an issue there. Could be a couple of things. I'm sorry you don't like it. Thanks for the input though 👍
What the hell dude you need to watch some videos on how to operate that's still in my opinion the best mower on the market and that includes the Ego. Had mine since 2009 no ethanol gas changed the spark plug air filter oil at least once a year and they'll run forever leaves and mulching it is top notch!
Nothing like video tape to record all your embarrassments forever.
I don't know anyone using "video tape," and am I supposed to be embarrassed for offering up some information?
God bless
I dont know these machines aren’t that amazing, I have been using it for a couple days, great build quality and mulching no doubt, but no side chute and no give, it bounces like crazy… That is a big downfall and its a narrow mower, no need to spend over 600 on a 21” mower
Mulching mowers don't use a side discharge and you're going to spend much more if you want anything wider. Wider mowers won't cut as nice either. That's why Honda doesn't make one.
I guess the warranties are now BS considering they are dropping their mowers…
They still have warranties, parts, and service available.
I don't appreciate the sexist comedy ("she said that").
Nothing is sexist about it.
@@rocketsoutdoorpower6971 you literally are saying SHE talks about LARGE sex organs. It's sexist and uncomfortable to watch and share with my customers.
@ormand3000 That may be a sexual reference, but that doesn't make anything I said "sexist". I'm sorry we find everything so offensive anymore. You probably shouldn't share these with your customers. I would also suggest they never turn on a TV if they can't handle a "That's what she said" joke. My apologies for being so offensive.
If you can't (or won't) say it In front of a female customer or coworker/employee, don't say it at all. I don't need your mansplaining what "sexism" is to me.
Good day.
@@ormand3000 Then don't watch it!! Nobody forced you to sit through his lawn mower video, and in what BIZARRE situation would you and a "customer" of yours be watching a youtube review of a Honda lawn mower???