Dirty Devs: Venatur UPDATE Asset thieves and affiliates get DMCA Takedowns | Lawsuit coming

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  • @SidAlpha
    @SidAlpha  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    You can find BlueDrake42's video here: th-cam.com/video/A5YtRO4ckY8/w-d-xo.html

  • @wariodude128
    @wariodude128 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I like how that long e-mail Alessandro sent you could be summed up by you as "That's not how it works, that's not how any of this works".

  • @brakthalas
    @brakthalas 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    DMCA being used as intended? Shit, might be time to play the lottery.

    • @SidAlpha
      @SidAlpha  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I know! It's crazy!

    • @masterbasher9542
      @masterbasher9542 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ah, DMCA.
      The crime, before one sues in the season of the crime.

    • @averagejoe112
      @averagejoe112 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I thought it was to silence criticism and commentary!

    • @RaceBandit
      @RaceBandit 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@averagejoe112 | And sometimes fandoms.

  • @mesektet5776
    @mesektet5776 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Correct application of copyright law?
    That a T-Rex phenomenon, you just don’t see that anymore.

    • @SidAlpha
      @SidAlpha  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      It's as rare as an honest used car dealer.

    • @arcticfox5118
      @arcticfox5118 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@SidAlphawait....those exist? I thought they were mytical creatures alongside honest politicians and unicorns.

    • @RichardWatt
      @RichardWatt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@SidAlphaor a British politician who doesn't stick his sausage in anyone willing.

  • @dartz005
    @dartz005 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    It's sad that proper DMCA strikes are so rare. But when it's used properly, it sends a more powerful message. Best of luck to bluedrake42 in his fight. Make an example of the "devs" of SiBa Games.

  • @mugenmetalhead8599
    @mugenmetalhead8599 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    Guess who's back? Back again? SidAlpha is back. Tell your friends!

    • @NovaMaster375
      @NovaMaster375 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Alpha's back
      Alpha's back
      Alpha's back
      Alpha's back

    • @Sanquinity
      @Sanquinity 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Honestly I wish Sid posted more videos. I like his more professional reporting on stuff, but it now feels like he only posts once in a blue moon, and it's mostly "dirty devs" or similar stuff. =/

    • @xeldinn86
      @xeldinn86 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'm sure he is very busy with work and just life in general. At least he posts something though :)@@Sanquinity

    • @maxnum1sgameclub263
      @maxnum1sgameclub263 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lets hope he posts more often ^^, the dirty devs series is a good source of info and fun to watch. Ofc his private life goes first but we do enjoy his vids.

  • @Templar1ca
    @Templar1ca 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I hope Rachel's doggo makes a speedy recovery, and I'm looking forward to Age of Sidmar. That being said, perhaps the email was a.i. generated? I mean if he steals assets would he take the time to write to you himself? I dunno, not my area. Happy weekend to you and your family, Sid.

  • @JakeCWolf
    @JakeCWolf 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    A SidAlpha video so soon? A surprise, but not an unwelcome one!

  • @chrisbaker8533
    @chrisbaker8533 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Glad you're doing better sid, hope nothing goes sideways.

  • @gerbo8018
    @gerbo8018 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The sponsored content really depends on where they live.
    Here in Belgium, i am not responsible for crimes my boss commits without my knowledge, even if i help them in some way (not by doing anything illegal ofc)
    And taking a sponsorship and promoting a product that seems legit. Is not a crime.

    • @RayneOfSalt
      @RayneOfSalt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yeah, he won't get that through a courtroom door here in Australia either.

    • @Reifirup
      @Reifirup 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don't know the law by full, specially not the Belgian (I think it is pretty similar to the Dutch, regarding illegal/legal stuff), but you can, at least partially, be held responsible. It is your duty (by law) to find out if what you are doing is legal. Taking a sponsorship or promotion "job" is included. It is your responsibility by law to know what you are sponsoring or promoting is legal. An example: There is a new coffeeshop in town (to whom who don't know, coffeeshops where weed and cannabis is sold are legal in the Netherlands, with the proper licenses and permits). I've been asked to promote said coffeeshop, it is my responsibility to check if that shop in fact is legal if i go on an start promoting it. Now if that shop is legal, but it runs an illegal gambling den in the backroom, for that i cannot be held responsible as an accomplice.
      Back to the case of DL and SG, i guess DL starts by simply issuing cease and desist requests (if they not already have done so), because the illegal use of copyright material is not something you can (easily) find out. The company is legit (i assume), the game/project by itself is legit (i assume).

    • @gerbo8018
      @gerbo8018 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Reifirup What you say is correct and i think laws in Belgium and the Netherlands on this are mostly in line. I was specificly speaking about it not being obvious ass with this copyright stuff. But if you received a cease and dissist letter ... Then you are made aware of pontential illegal activity's and you should go to a lawyer to find out what to do :)

    • @VitharrOdinson
      @VitharrOdinson 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@ReifirupWithin reason, generally. A court will likely find that, for the sponsored videos that predate the public announcement of the stolen assets, it's not reasonable to expect a TH-camr to comb through a game's assets, and then compare them to all other copyrighted works. Post public announcement, they could potentially be found to be contributing to the crime, due to the then abundant information that could be found, with a simple Google search.
      I also feel that it's a bit odd to go after a marketing contractor, who is creating an advertisement of a product you claim has your assets. That's like going after a company that was hired to make a commercial for a brand of alcohol, because you believe the brand is infringing on your copyright.
      At the very least, start by reaching out to the sponsored creators, before issuing legal demands, such as DMCAs, that can harm their channel. Don't threaten to drag them into a lawsuit, just because you can. Legal high-horse stances like that ruin any goodwill I felt towards Bluedrake42.

  • @lodunost
    @lodunost 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Those handprints with blood dripping down at 1:46 you can find it as a steam emoticon :HandAgony: I don't remember off the top of my head but that might be the one. There is one for scorch and pathologic as well. I think that it's only slightly edited. There is a place that these png's exist in 4k. I'm sure that everything in this game is probably reused/stolen assets.
    Also I think they take known stuff and edit them.

  • @DecemberLoved
    @DecemberLoved 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Please check out the Dev that's making Pixel Pirates
    He's making a MMO after abandoning his previous games.

  • @wedge471
    @wedge471 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Algorithm food to help Sid alpha's channel

  • @VexTheLatios
    @VexTheLatios 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I love when idiots double down.

  • @freakklomp
    @freakklomp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    love to see the law actually being use for whats it designed for.
    also heres for the algorithm! great vid man

  • @manager7186
    @manager7186 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Stealing from a free game is wild if you want to “make your own game” then don’t use other products and make your own

  • @ahettinger525
    @ahettinger525 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    aww.. I hope everything goes well with the doggo!

  • @lonesomepoetxi
    @lonesomepoetxi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Not sure how I feel about them going after streamers/youtubers who promoted the game as theres no way to know if they knew assets were stolen or not but I get that it has to be done to protect their assets

    • @ember3579
      @ember3579 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, sadly US law is screwy like that. Ask Kodak.

    • @mwperk02
      @mwperk02 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They are responsible for making sure sponsorships they take are from legitimate sources.

  • @AmyraCarter
    @AmyraCarter 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Drake: "I should report you to the IRS..."
    People outside the US: "Not gonna work."

  • @gixxer6rdr229
    @gixxer6rdr229 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm still watching the ads on your channel, liking and commenting for the algorithm.
    Truth and GOOD people such as yourself must be supported these days.
    Keep at it!!

    • @SidAlpha
      @SidAlpha  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Awesome, thank you!

    • @gixxer6rdr229
      @gixxer6rdr229 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SidAlpha thank YOU for being a shining example of decency and morals. Things sorely lacking in society as a whole these days.

  • @CrusaderAdam
    @CrusaderAdam 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    i remember the first video about them - they deserved that lawsuit

  • @chlorosokita596
    @chlorosokita596 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It's a bit out-of-context but I'd like your opinion on the NY Times Vs OpenAI controversy, Sid. To sum up a long story, the NY Times is suing OpenAI for using copious amounts of their protected articles as part of their corpora to train the AI. I know it sounds off-topic, but it's actually the future of authorship that may lie in this lawsuit at it may create a very important precedent for future copyright owners who see their work taken, copied and reused without their approval or consent.

  • @ArDeeMee
    @ArDeeMee 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    (Bump for the algo. I‘m definitely checking out the DMCA video. We stan legal rights holders adhering to the laws/regulations in this house.)

  • @WolvenSpectre
    @WolvenSpectre 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Just a point, you did tell the SiBa Developer to "Fuck Off into the Ether" in your last videos conclusion. The only reason I know that is I missed it when it first came out and just watched both of the videos together.
    A more justified "Fuck Off " I cannot remember hearing.

  • @RaceBandit
    @RaceBandit 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Yanking CD-keys in this scenario sounds like an act of retaliation, and perhaps even a refusal to fix the guilty party's lives. Perma-Dirty, or am i stretching?

    • @dartz005
      @dartz005 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's as blatant of "tail between their legs" scammer-retreat move, just like when they try to scrub records of them off the internet. Any time they pull actions like that, you know it's a full admition of guilt. Plus, there are people who will likely buy the game just to help bluedrake's investigation into the stolen assets. It's always amusing when the con artist thinks they're smarter than the guy who built the code they're piggybacking off of.

  • @HjalleCalibursChannel
    @HjalleCalibursChannel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That mail sounds like a chat gpt answer

  • @Queldonus
    @Queldonus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You said it well. It is nice to see DMCA law used for intended purpose. I just wish that wasn’t such a rarity.

  • @ThunderChanter
    @ThunderChanter 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bro really said "Everyone else is going thru it and they deserve it" meanwhile he's the only one getting raked over the coals from all sides involved

  • @THECRAZEBLING
    @THECRAZEBLING 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    How's the legal battle with Acerthorn going?

    • @SidAlpha
      @SidAlpha  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      The legal system moves at the speed of molasses in winter.

    • @RichardWatt
      @RichardWatt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@SidAlphaso does the British Home Office.

  • @Sean_Callahan
    @Sean_Callahan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Employees get W-2s, *non*-employees get 1099s.

  • @USSRBot
    @USSRBot 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    According to his logic I can steal a car as long as its a shitty car.

    • @breezy3176
      @breezy3176 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So kia's

  • @ICountFrom0
    @ICountFrom0 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    All the pets and love for the doggo.

  • @AnythingForSouls
    @AnythingForSouls 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I dont think going after streamers and youtubers who took money to promote it should be getting harassed like this they had no idea it was stolen assets and i think it would be nearly impossible to prove if they were told/ knew about it and did it anyway

    • @mocabunn
      @mocabunn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      This is a warning for those who come after this was made public, which is fair enough, anyone accepting money or not terminating their relationship with those thieves, should be held liable.

    • @Greywander87
      @Greywander87 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Malice is not a prerequisite to harm. People make mistakes all the time, just because something is unintentional or an accident doesn't absolve people of the consequences of their actions. I think issuing DMCA takedowns against videos where the creator was paid to promote this game is fair. It's a pretty mild punishment, the creator can just take the loss and move on. It's not like they're being sued into bankruptcy.

    • @oliver_twistor
      @oliver_twistor 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Greywander87 Exactly! If I recall correctly, even Siba Games have tried to claim ignorance in this, by saying they didn't know about how one of their contractors used stolen assets and that ignorance should somehow absolve them from having to remove the assets from the game. And I've seen many people defend them on this point. Even if it were true that they were screwed by their contractor, it's not any of Bluedrake's team's business. Siba Games might not have known, but they know _now_ and doing nothing now is what shows malice instead of pure ignorance.
      If Siba Games were more slick they could have gotten out of this mess relatively unscathed by feigning ignorance, apologising and removing all copyrighted content. They should have blamed it all on the nameless contractor, but instead they revealed that they probably knew what they were doing all along.

  • @moviemaker2011z
    @moviemaker2011z 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    only a minute in and the news of the dog having health issues has me more concerned than the actual subject of the video... im very much an animal person so i hate to hear about animals being sick or getting hurt. wishing all the best for her and her dogs health. hopefully the surgery will go perfectly and the recovery will be swift.
    okay now i will watch the rest of the video.

  • @silvialuzmia
    @silvialuzmia 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    chat gpt have better excuse than that email

  • @AgapeForgotten
    @AgapeForgotten 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Weird theory: The work of our fathers sounds like a plea to keep the game as is for game preservation? Maybe.. trying to claim the stolen parts were abandon-ware? That and.. maybe the young people thing was a threat about the cost of lawsuits but this is 1000% me trying to decipher meaning from snippets.

  • @MugenSniperGeek
    @MugenSniperGeek 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    hmmm..it's interesting seeing a dmca being used correctly for once..

  • @mediocrepanda87
    @mediocrepanda87 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Would share this, but my twitter is currently borked. Instead, Like and Comment!

    • @mwperk02
      @mwperk02 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's ok Elons burning Twitter to the ground anyway.

  • @Sundaydish1
    @Sundaydish1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    OMG! He can hold his pinky down with the other 4 fingers up! I can't do that

  • @buckrodgers1162
    @buckrodgers1162 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Is it just me, or has the entirety of 'Western Commercial Culture' started looking a hell of a lot like a 'Ferengi Oligarchy', just without the 'Rules of Acquisition'? Ready and willing to do anything, legal, or illegal, for the amassing of profit.

  • @mwperk02
    @mwperk02 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They had every possible opportunity to avoid legal action against them. Could of even taken the money and run for whatever reason though they always think they can beat the system.

  • @Freesorin837
    @Freesorin837 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Grab some popcorn boys, this is gonna be a good one!

  • @robm6726
    @robm6726 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    @sidalpha Any news, or thoughts on Palworld, it's success, and possible use of AI based assets, as well as the unfortunate deathreats they received that no one should have to deal with. In my opinion. Thanks.

  • @Meximagician
    @Meximagician 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I don't really see the legal argument of holding TH-camrs who promoted the game financially responsible.
    I _could_ see striking any footage of the stolen assets, but if a TH-camr signed a promotional contract then they're obligated to fulfill the contract. If they learned of the stolen assets after signing the contract but before releasing the promotion, then editing out any clips using stolen assets (or just not using game play footage at all) should suffice.
    The only other possibility is if one of the TH-camrs knew or should have known when they signed the contract, which seems unlikely prior to the videos publicly calling out the dirty dev.

  • @chrislaws4785
    @chrislaws4785 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm honestly SURPRISED that you haven't put The Day Before on the Dirty devs list yet. I asked BIGFRY back before the game came out if he thought it would end up on the dirty devs list, he said he didn't know. But I think it DEFINITELY DESERVES to be near the top of your sullied hall of infamy.

    • @FlamingGnats
      @FlamingGnats 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There's nothing to be said that 10000 people haven't already said. I'd rather he focus on lesser known things.

    • @SidAlpha
      @SidAlpha  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      In time. I wasn't able to cover it back when it was fresh so it will be a belated entry.

  • @michaelhuss0
    @michaelhuss0 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The comment about the quality of assets is interesting... He's going for a transformation defense, that the assets no longer belong to Bluedrake in their current state because of how they were modified. Does that actually apply in Italian law?

    • @chrisbaker8533
      @chrisbaker8533 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That's just more b.s. from this guy.
      Reducing poly counts or texture sizes/quality, doesn't 'transform' anything, they're still being used in the same manner as originally intended.

  • @GlenCychosz
    @GlenCychosz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Firewatch was on a steam sale a week ago for 90% off.
    I didn't get it because of what they did.

    • @Jamesgates355
      @Jamesgates355 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      what did they do? edit:just got to the part of that video, yeah that is fucking scummy as shit from the firewatch devs

    • @Greywander87
      @Greywander87 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Jamesgates355 IIRC, they explicitly gave permission for people to upload videos of playing the game (IIRC, Xbox was cracking down on gameplay videos at the time). When PewDiePie had an oopsy moment that had nothing to do with them, they decided to take it personally and demand he take down the videos he did of Firewatch.
      I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure licenses can't be changed retroactively. At most, all they should have been able to do is prevent him from uploading new videos of Firewatch. The existing videos were already published under a valid license, and should not be affected.

    • @SidAlpha
      @SidAlpha  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Implied license such as that can. and they did.

  • @gamergate2.0andbooks
    @gamergate2.0andbooks 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Poor little pup

  • @Billy.Bacsko
    @Billy.Bacsko 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    DAAAAAAAMMMN 😮

  • @sp0nge1337
    @sp0nge1337 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Not sure about Dirty Devs. More like Drinky Devs.

    • @masterbasher9542
      @masterbasher9542 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As in, get drunk every time you see a dirty Devs update?

    • @RaceBandit
      @RaceBandit 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@masterbasher9542 | Eh, I don't see a lot of Dev Updates on the channel.

  • @oliver_twistor
    @oliver_twistor 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I don't believe for a moment that Alessandro has been in the industry for 35 years and not understood copyright law. I love open-source. Most of the code I write outside my company I make open-source and also libre, because I want others to be able to learn from my code how to build stuff. Therefore I am furious that this Alessandro guy, this supposed veteran of the industry--my industry--snatches people's work and when caught, pretends OHD's assets to be open-source. Firstly, just because something's open-source doesn't mean it's public domain and thus free to use in any manner. Secondly, OHD's assets aren't open-source.
    That bit about fathers and how young people destroy society coupled with the fact that Siba Games is an Italian company, makes me think about the current wave of fascism going around in Europe. There's a worrying trend in Italy right now towards very right-wing tendencies, including a large gathering of people doing the Nazi salute. It might be just inebriation and it might be my anti-liberal radar that has become overly sensitive as of late, but that "rant" felt too close to fascism (or plain old conservatism) for comfort.

    • @elLooto
      @elLooto 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "Current" wave of European fascism.....
      I'm glad youve finally noticed how the EU is really set up.
      btw, Nazis arent Fascist. They are National Socialists, quite distinct from Fascist socialism, and International Socialism. These waters got somewhat muddied in the alliances and propaganda of ww2. All three are built on radical revolutionary principles and are diametrically opposed to conservatism.
      Socialism is the very definition of the political left, right from the inception of the term stemming from the French revolution.

  • @kaseyboles30
    @kaseyboles30 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The other side of this clearly doesn't have English as a native language. LOTS of clear cases of poorly translated ideas. NOT drugs or booze.

    • @oliver_twistor
      @oliver_twistor 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're correct. Siba Games are from Italy.

  • @devidevil888
    @devidevil888 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wish ollie the best sid

  • @ArkOfAges
    @ArkOfAges 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    *face palm*
    If he's been doing game dev for 35 years he should know basic 3D modelling. If he's too lazy to make textures he can just go to CG textures and get them for free.....
    None of the models are that elaborate..... I'm not super proficient in Blender, but I bet I could model most of those assets in a day (minus uv unwrap and texturing).
    Seriously, this is so stupid. Some peoples laziness is beyond me.

    • @wanderbread4217
      @wanderbread4217 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Clearly they're cash grabbing game abandoning devs. I wonder what other assets they've stolen and put into their game.

  • @ChaosZero.
    @ChaosZero. 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Oh BlueDrake. He can most definitely sue in his own country (the US), but if the defendant is a foreigner that does not reside in the US (like it seems to be the case here), good luck serving them, for instance. Because while you can most certainly find out the real identities of the people behind this "studio", that information is of little use to you unless you can actually serve them, and you'd need to do that internationally.
    You yourself, Sid, should be well aware of how difficult it is, considering you've been recently involved in that LOLsuit that Acerthorn tried to file against you, Creetoris and a few other people. He couldn't actually include you as a defendant because he couldn't figure out your real identity (and you live in the same country as he does, imagine that), and at least one (or was it two?) other defendant was a German living in Germany that Acerthorn couldn't figure out the real identity of and thus couldn't include them either.
    Point is, even assuming BlueDrake goes ahead with his lawsuit, he will have to make sure that the individual(s) are served, and the right ones at that. Just sending them an email (even a certified one, we call them "PEC") doesn't count as serving somebody, and the judge (if it's filed in the US) will just laugh BlueDrake out of the courtroom before it even gets going.
    Also, the full legal name of this "Alessandro" individual that reached out to you is very common in Italy, which further complicates things. Doesn't make it impossible, but it does make it more tedious, and costly, because you'd probably have to hire a private investigator to go and track them down, make sure they're the same people you're trying to sue and so on.
    The obvious alternative is to sue them here in Italy directly, but he can't initiate the process from over there himself, in the sense that he can't just tell his legal team to file a lawsuit and things will magically happen, he will need to hire an Italian lawyer that is certified and authorized to represent foreign clients and that is a very convoluted process (we're takling a 10 step process, also expensive).
    Furthermore, the Italian judicial system is very different from the American one. For starters, we don't have jury trials for civil cases (which is what I suppose this would count as) so we only have bench trials in front of a judge and we don't really have a concept of "expert witnesses", so it would be up to a judge and their understanding of the matter at hand to make a decision and good luck explaining to a judge (and, most importantly, having them understand) the concept of international copyright. Discovery process that you keep mentioning is also different, as are the rules of evidence, so good luck with that too.
    And of course this is a very expensive process, especially if plaintiff(s) and defendant(s) are in different countries. Just ask Karl Jobst. He's an Australian youtuber being sued for defamation by an American clown (Billy Mitchell) and that lawsuit has been going on for quite a while and has already cost well over $200kaud and it has yet to even get to a ruling on the motion to dismiss, let alone the inevitable appeal and subsequent refiling on it. I would expect similar amounts for BlueDrake. Is it really worth it? I'm not sure it is.
    In typical American arrogance fashion, you keep making these smug statements about how these people are totally going to get hammered in court, but while that's definitely possible, under these circumstances I wouldn't expect this to be a slam dunk, or an "open and shut" kind of case for a very simple reason. Here in Italy, both civil and criminal trials can involve up to 3x (three) appeals for the losing party. Over there in the US, if you lose a lawsuit or get convicted of a criminal offence, you get to appeal once within 15/30 days and that's it. If you win on the appeal, good. But if you lose, that's it, you're done. Here, if you lose you can appeal up to 3x (three) times in a row, and with every round of appeal it's almost like a new mini-trial. And this gets very expensive very quickly, while also taking potentially years to get resolved (and Italy is well known for being very slow when it comes to trials).
    We can all agree that these people are allegedly using stolen assets and should not be able to profit off of it, but I would not be surprised if this lawsuit goes nowhere while still costing BlueDrake a lot of money, money that I doubt he has.
    Sorry for the long post.

    • @dukemagus
      @dukemagus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @SidAlpha

  • @shadowjudge921
    @shadowjudge921 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can't believe the games industry's become so cut-throat.

  • @JukoThe10-Tails
    @JukoThe10-Tails 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    personally, i feel targeting youtubers who were sponsored is a bit much. they have nothing to do with this, target the company/main dude, not others. most of the time, they don't know anything about this, just another payout. so it feels wrong in general.

    • @Lovuschka
      @Lovuschka 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      They were complicit in it, profiting from it, how are they not supposed to have anything to do with it? If you take money from shady sources, that is the risk you take with it.

    • @medea27
      @medea27 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I don't think that's the case.... basically when you're going after someone like this for copyright infringement you need to cover _all_ your bases, and that includes serving cease & desists/takedown notices to content creators who featured your assets in a video. They need to request a voluntary removal first (just as with the devs), and in a situation like this most creators would just fix the issue before it had to go further.... it's not their battle to fight. But if the creator refuses to take down the infringing content then they've just drawn their own line in the sand & should expect to be going to court alongside the devs.

    • @PandaMan02
      @PandaMan02 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I agree, if they do attempt this, the court better throw it out with a possibility of forcing them to pay legal fees the defendants may have incurred. Demanding a third party to know whether the company they are doing an ad for has all permissions for copyrighted works is a bit absurd.

    • @arcticfox5118
      @arcticfox5118 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Its more a legal requirment thing then not. With how screwy u.s laws can be. You either protect your assets or the fact you didnt even if only in specific cases CAN be used against you in court and can and has sunk cases in the past.
      It may come off as heavy handed but by just telling them to take down content that was directly paid for by the guy who stole assets they are getting a very minor slap on the wrist overall and also closes a bunch of legal loopholes.

    • @PandaMan02
      @PandaMan02 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@arcticfox5118 it can only be used against you in regard to trademark law, copyright is entirely up to the copyright owner when or where they wish to enforce their ownership.

  • @cupsnlantern
    @cupsnlantern 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Going after content creators like that is just vindictive

    • @Greywander87
      @Greywander87 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Content creators have a responsibility to do due diligence and research a product or company before accepting a sponsorship. In the past, some content creators have been involved in lawsuits for things they've promoted (like crypto scams). Everyone makes mistakes, and when it happens you have to own up to it and resolve to learn from it and become a better person. Getting a DMCA takedown is just about the mildest punishment you could expect.
      Content creators are not just regular people. If you're getting paid for something, then you _must_ hold yourself to a higher standard.

    • @cupsnlantern
      @cupsnlantern 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Greywander87 I'm just glad I'm not in this guy's crosshairs. Yeah, the law's on his side but this is a really bad look. Like you said everyone makes mistakes and content creators need to hold themselves to a higher standard I just don't see threatening to sue people who made an honest mistake as being a high standard. The dev is a content creator too.

    • @Greywander87
      @Greywander87 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cupsnlantern I may have misunderstood but I though he was just doing DMCA takedowns. That would only go to court if they decide to dispute it, which, if they have some reason to believe they'd win then good for them, but otherwise it would be their own stubbornness getting them into further trouble.
      Something else to consider is that the content creators might not have been able to take down the videos themselves (if they wanted to) without creating an entirely different legal issue. Since it was a paid promotion, keeping the money while pulling the product it paid for might be seen as a breach of contract. The DMCA takedowns give them a way out without taking any blame, since the reason for the takedown is the product itself and not the content promoting that product. Unless BlueDrake42 goes after the sponsorship money (probably not worth the effort), the content creators still come out ahead when all is said and done.

    • @cupsnlantern
      @cupsnlantern 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Greywander87 12:49 is where he threatens to sue content creators. He says "We WILL hold you fully accountable". He further iterates that sponsored youtubers are contractors and in his crosshairs. Then he jokingly threatens to report content creators assuming they're improperly filing their taxes.

  • @moviemaker2011z
    @moviemaker2011z 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    after now watching the full video all i can say for certain is that bluedrake42 is a bit of an asshole here. yes hes pissed and yes hes correct to be, but going after the youtubers is kinda overboard. i think he should take into consideration a few factors first before burning bridges such as how many of the paid youtubers QUIT advertising venatur after it came out it was using stolen assets? those content creators should be given a warning and a request to take down their videos if they havent already and leave it at that or press the issue further if they refuse to. as for the others that continued to take money even though it was made public that venatur was using stolen assets SHOULD be held liable because theres no excuse for them to say they didnt know. i suspect im going to be in the minority here but bluedrake really needs to calm his tits down and think about this logically. if there are content creators who broke off from venatur after it was made public they used stolen assets they should at the very least get a fair warning and a polite request to take down their videos because at the very least they had the decency to stop supporting venatur once they found out. to me thats more than fair and would make bluedrake look like a very reasonable and understanding guy who only wants to punish those who are continuing to be abusive. but by going after everyone even if they only took a single fucking dollar makes HIM look petty and pathetic as all hell. some fights are just not worth the time or the expense and its not worth making a fool of yourself if there are some people you can work with to make the situation better.

    • @Qardo
      @Qardo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Still, accept money from stolen work is still a crime. While you can be dismissed if you claim to not be taking further money from, let's face it, Art Thieves. Plus could get dismissed for being unaware of the stolen assets within the game. Yet, if you continue to promote the game with stolen assets. You are liable for aiding in a crime. It sucks, but that is how is how the law is written. To willfully accept stolen money, knowing it is stolen, does not make you innocent. Unless you are the IRS. The IRS don't give a shit. You pay your damn taxes and you may not end up in a Federal Prison for Tax Evasion.

    • @JamesRichardsPlays
      @JamesRichardsPlays 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I think you should probably go watch his video. It is only going to be those who continue to create content or leave it up. People who play games for fun and upload, who don't get money from Venatur might be passed up on. But after working with "brand protection" teams before; even those videos could be "damaging" to OHD. Those who get ad revenue might be scrutinized and on a case-by-case basis either receive a CnD, private takedown request or TH-cam DMCA. It is the rights holder's choice and technically you are still profitting from illegal activity at that point. Everyone on the platform by now should understand that gameplay content is not fair use and can be CnD/DMCA'd at any time. I think his attitude is just to press upon those who are watching this whole thing unfold, collect money from Venatur (which will retroactively be considered illegal at some point) to stop. I see no need to calm the tits 🤣 at this point.
      ANY content still live is the problem. Either private or remove the videos. It is the only legal option at that point. Smart money would have you private everything, then if the case gets thrown out, Venatur is victor or they successfully appeal and have certain agreements made, then the TH-camrs can un-private the videos and continue to profit from them.
      "but by going after everyone even if they only took a single fucking dollar makes HIM look petty and pathetic as all hell. some fights are just not worth the time or the expense and its not worth making a fool of yourself if there are some people you can work with to make the situation better."
      Protection of your brand is important. You can't let anything slide. You create precedent and perceived favoritism which will ultimately hurt you later down the line when you try to enforce your protections/rights. $h!tty reality, yeah... sometimes the "little guy" gets handed a bad deal on some things. BUT ignorance of the law is not a good defense. It is certainly a factor in decision whether you suffer any kind of consequence, but you at least get a slap on the wrist and a learning moment. If you are streaming a game, you obviously know about it and any history surrounding it. Part of the "spirit of law" is to take some personal responsibility and accountability for your activities.

    • @moviemaker2011z
      @moviemaker2011z 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @Qardo well that's what I'm saying. If a youtuber or several youtubers who accepted money to promote venatur and cut all ties once they found out there were stolen assets I feel like they should be given a bit of a better chance instead of being told "you're getting sued as well". Granted I'm not sure if ANY of the paid youtubers did this, but all I'm saying is that if there are any who had the common decency to no longer promote a game with stolen assets I just think a warning and a request to remove the videos is fair enough to ask in exchange.
      It's similar to if I was driving down a road and rhe speed limit has always been 45mph and one day its changed to 25mph with no indication of it, if I get pulled over I shouldn't get a ticket right off the bat, I should get a warning because I had no idea the speed limit changed. However by continuing to drive 45mph on that road should result in a ticket because I clearly by that point know the new limit and am disregarding it.
      Not sure if that's a good example but it's all I can think of. If he wants to sue them that's his business but he's going to look like an asshole if he doesn't at the very least verify that any of them might have cut ties with the developers of venatur due to the stolen assets.

    • @skormfuse
      @skormfuse 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thing is a youtuber should be aware of what they are advertising and this is the warning, they have had time to take down the videos those that get hit now are just not doing their due diligence you shouldn't be waiting for the hand written notice if it's your business you act proactively, ignorance cant be used as a shield, a youtuber should have his finger on the pulse of the partners they work with anything else is inexcusable.
      and Bluedrake isn't manually looking for everyone that did deals and promotions it's being handled by a team that does this type of stuff to the book, it's being handled by the professionals the professional way, if the youtubers themselves haven't taken the videos down by the time the DMCA's hit that is due to that youtuber not being a professional and deserving the punishment then receive.

    • @moviemaker2011z
      @moviemaker2011z 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @JamesRichardsPlays right that's what I'm saying. Any of the youtubers who backed away and cut all ties with venatur should get a stern warning and a request to remive/private the video. That's perfectly fair and less shitty to do. It's giving a fair chance to those that attempted to stop doing harm. Those rhat are still taking money and are still promoting it by now are fully aware and do deserve to be held liable. That's my entire point I was making. Yes sometimes you have to be a tough guy and put people down to protect your product but a somewhat fair chance should be given to those that made the effort to do right. Yes they should be given a warning, and told to do better about vetting who they are taking money from. But if they at least cut ties I would say a friendly request to remove the videos is all that's needed as a starter. Anyone else still uploading and still accepting money are free game.

  • @JRandomRU
    @JRandomRU 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Minor remark: it's either "speak your piece" or "hold your peace".

    • @Makorze
      @Makorze 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Both are valid phases, this the latter is usually "forever hold your peace."

    • @JRandomRU
      @JRandomRU 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@MakorzeYes, both are valid. The point is, "speak your peace" isn't.

  • @TriphexCorporation
    @TriphexCorporation 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I understand and agree with him going after the studio but imagine being a small youtuber with like 5000 subs who took a random ad you know nothing about and this prick sues you for it. (EDIT: Sounds like the YTers maybe did know)

    • @stuartmorley6894
      @stuartmorley6894 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I thought this too. If you have no idea about any of this and took a sponsorship you are going to be hammered for the little money you made for something you had nothing to do with. Feels like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

    • @TriphexCorporation
      @TriphexCorporation 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I looked into it again @@stuartmorley6894 and it sounds like maybe these particular YTers did know. As long as they knew I don't feel bad, but if they didn't know then dang.

  • @lanceuppercut8220
    @lanceuppercut8220 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I just noticed this for the first time because you're talking about copyrights but, you should probably get rid of that theme song, unless you got permission from Rare to use it. I like this channel and don't want to see it go and also you should probably hold yourself to the same standards even if you aren't a game developer.

    • @GrumpyIan
      @GrumpyIan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm sure he has.

    • @lanceuppercut8220
      @lanceuppercut8220 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GrumpyIan I mean, you do hear it right? It's a lot of pieces, like the guitar rifts, from the Killer Instinct theme song. At the very least it could be considered appropriation like sampling but, typically people get away with sampling by using very small clips, he's using an entire parts of a song. It could be considered fare use as it could be considered transformative, because he changed the pitch, slowed it down a little, and added some other instruments/noises to the background but, it's kinda pushing it.

  • @rbg9602
    @rbg9602 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Meh, nothing is gonna happen. Blue drake will probably end up being but hurt without achieving anything besides an early heart attack due to stress.

  • @TheTundraTerror
    @TheTundraTerror 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    >a legal Sword of Damocles
    What in the Friday Night Funkin' did you just say?
    I can't think of a worse term of "cudgel" in my entire life.

    • @AcanthaDante
      @AcanthaDante 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It's from a story. Damocles flattered his king, Dionysus, and spoke of his fortunes. Dionysus offered to let him sit on his throne to experience what he does, and Damocles accepts. However, Dionysus had many enemies, so he set up a sword over the throne, held aloft by a single horse hair, to instil the anxiety that Dionysus hid from his people in Damocles.

    • @TheTundraTerror
      @TheTundraTerror 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AcanthaDante Yes, I know that its a story about how a life of luxery and opulence results in the immense anxiety that comes with it. But what in the he does that have to do with it being a "legal weapon" beyond Sid huffing his own farts?

    • @wyrmofvt
      @wyrmofvt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TheTundraTerror Because that phrase has a rich history of being used as a metaphor for any stressful and precarious situation, not just from a life of luxury and opulence. SidAlpha is in good company. I mean, the use of "legal cudgel" is itself a metaphor.

  • @Sniperbear13
    @Sniperbear13 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    gotta love when we can actually see the law used right.