VS | Obi-Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Bane and Darth Zannah
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- If Obi-Wan, Anakin, Bane and Zannah met each other in a master-apprentice tag-team duel, who would come out on top?
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7:43 - Round 2: Force Abilities
17:11 - Round 3: Dueling Abilities
29:24 - The Verdict
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If Obi-Wan, Anakin, Bane and Zannah met each other in a master-apprentice tag-team duel, who would come out on top?
0:00 - Introduction
2:45 - Round 1: Physical Abilities
7:43 - Round 2: Force Abilities
17:11 - Round 3: Dueling Abilities
29:24 - The Verdict
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Antoine Bandele Mah Boi Kenobi and Skywalker
Antoine Bandele thank you for making this
Antoine Bandele you did a good job with this video
Antoine Bandele Most Agreed brutha man.
Antoine Bandele I have a fight suggestion
*Drum Roll*
...Anakin vs Revan
Anakin from Ep III before turning to the Darkside & Revan before his light and darkness separated.
You forgot about Kenobi's ultimate skill: Trolling Sith Lords.🤣
kyle wolfkind that wouldn’t work on bane, he is too smart
@@jakealter5504 bro it's called a joke
Abram Coleman I know
@@jakealter5504 ok just making sure
I thought his ultimate technique was the High Ground
In my opinion this could go one of two ways.
1. Annakin vs Zannah and Obi-Wan vs Bane: Annakin gets literally mind fucked by Zannah, but only if he isn't able to take her out with his superior ability with the blade (if he can, then he and Obi-Wan win)and Obi-Wan falls to the combined might of Bane and Zannah.
2. Annakin vs Bane and Obi-Wan vs Zannah: Annakin and Bane fight each other to a stalemate while Obi-Wan defeats Zannah, although his win isn't quite as fast as Zannah`s win against Annakin would be. Then Annakin and Obi-Wan`s combined teamwork take down Bane. I believe Obi-Wan would notice Zannah trying to probe his mind. He's smart, and would never allow his apprentice to fight this opponent.
The real question is which outcome is most likely, and I believe it's the second. Annakin, being Annakin, would rush to fight the one he deems the more powerful fighter, and that would be Bane. Obi-Wan is superior to Zannah in every way in my opinion, and he would not let Annakin fight Zannah when he recognizes what she is attempting to do to him.
Too long didn't read? I disagree with your outcome hapoening. Although I do agree it is a possible outcome, I don't believe it is the most likely. Great video either way.
I agree with this, my friend.
I agree that the second outcome is more likely.
Jackman LeBlanc i actully very much agree with this, i doubt obi-wan would let anakin fall to the madness.
DLWF
Exactly. I think Antoine treated this team fight too much like a 1v1 and a 1v1 rather than a 2v2. Teamwork is very important, and I doubt there's any argument against Obi-Wan and Anakin having the better teamwork right?
However there is no guarantee that Kenobi would beat zannah. She beat a powerful Jedi who was at least comparable to Kenobi with bladework offensively. Furthermore that Jedi did not have any obvious flaws to use sorcery against and yet it still works. Kenobi would have had no experience with this whole that Jedi is more likely to have come across it as he would have fought in the war a few years prior. Also zannah would have been more powerful in dynasty of evil than in that book as it was a few years after
31:17 Nonsense my dude, he didn't have much of a problem penetrating Padme, am I right boys?
*Intense high-fives follow*
no
@@lapplandkun9273 yes
Please stop.
I have only one qualm. We’ve seen how Anakin reacts to his inner demons coming forth. HE GETS MAD, Zanna’s spells, I believe, would just trigger a rage state in Anakin.
Anakin has never faced his inner demons like that except ones with the son of Mortis. It distracted him for a good while, long enough for Zannah to kill him several times over
Fair enough, I suppose Zannah's sorcery would be a far more intense thing than we've ever seen him handle. I still think that it might provoke a rage in him, letting him overpower Zannah, but I can accept that he would be off balanced long enough for a fatal blow. I never watched much of TCW, it never really grabbed me, but I suppose I should get around to before trying to debate points like this.
he'd just yell about sand
If you saw the Mortis arc, you'd see for that... what, a solid minute or two Anakin basically breaks down as he sees everything he's done and will do. It wouldn't be as strong as that, as it wouldn't show the future, but it'd let you get more than a few cuts and stabs in before Anakin even began to recover
read the books Zannahs sorcery is stronger than anything from CW, She used ancient Sith Sorcery that could even break Bane when he had at this point conqoured his demons
Not to mention Sith Sorcery works different to just 'raising inner demons' its more like trapping someone in their mind with their demons and fears.
If zannahs opponent has anything in their mind she can sense it they are doomed no question about it.
and honestly Zannahs perfects opponent would be Anakin no doubt about it she would utterly crush him within seconds
The end of the order vs the start of the order.
Darth Stalker Very true man :)
ggh
the here comes the first order
I am the true beginning
Darth Stalker start of new sith order end of Jedi order
I don't think you're giving Kenobi enough credit for his tactical prowess when it comes to match ups. Wouldn't Kenobi recognize Zannah's abilities to defeat Anakin if she attempted it on Kenobi in the first place? It's not like Kenobi isn't aware of Anakin being mentally manipulable, such as when he rushed Dooku in their first encounter in anger.
tbf though banes tactical showings are also very impressive, Zannah herself is strategic as her fighting style relies on holding until she can find an opening. anakin is the only one without any real strategic use in a duel
Perhaps if Obi-Wan had familiarity with Sith Sorcery, which he does not.
If Obi-Wan fought Zannah first and proved able to defend against her probing, would this not give him enough leverage to deduce it likely isn't the best idea to send Anakin against her? I assume that if she uses her abilities against Obi-Wan and fails that he probably will end up throwing together a theory or two about what it was she was doing - after all, mind tricks aren't unknown in the era of Obi-Wan/Anakin.
SchwiegerH Kenobi may have assumed that Zannah's mental probing was just that: probing. Perhaps he believed that she would use any information that she found in Dun Möch tactics, which don't really effect him at all. He's inexperienced with Sith Sorcery but he also doesn't offer anything that would emotionally compromise him. Furthermore, I don't think that he's powerful enough to block her probes while at the same time look into her mind. Zannah does not have a weak mind, so any attempt to probe hers would also not result in anything.
Antoine Bandele however true that may be he would know of zannah’s spell effect therefore knowing that it could be a really big screw up if he switched it up therefore he wouldn’t, plus I believe you give zannahs defense too much credit against obi wan because I believe based off of everything I know obi wan would be able to quickly pickup on zannahs technique and best know how to counter it since he’s pretty much the master of soresu there fore leading to a team Jedi victory
Thoroughly enjoyed this one friend. :)
Hey, he lives!
Antoine Bandele actually Evans put out a few videos recently.
A top-quality video as always, but I disagree with the outcome and your stance on Zannah's mind probing vs. Anakin. The way I see it, dredging up Anakin's fears and memories would go very similarly to how her spells would work against Darth Vader: There'd be a short interval where he'd be down for the count, but those fears and memories would fuel his anger and his fury and he would use that to overpower Zannah. While Anakin would be down longer from her sorcery than Vader would, he'd still tap into his Dark Side power and crush her. From there, Anakin and Obi-Wan's battlefield chemistry and combined strength would win them the day against Bane.
But that's just it, you're pointing it out yourself. What Zannah is doing is applying an opening. She's not going to try and completely dominate his mind like she did with Set Harth or the other no-names. She'd use it as a rouse, similar to how Anakin and Vader use loose material to distract their opponents. All Zannah needs is that moment to subvert Anakin's guard.
You make a good point, but what you're saying relies on Zannah being able to capitalize on the opening before Anakin can beat the shit out of her. I don't think she'd be able to do that, especially when she finds all the juicy bits of pain and fear floating around in his head and decides to dredge them all up, which would only serve to make Anakin go full-on Vader on her like he did against Barriss Offee in the Jedi Temple.
I'd personally see the mental attacks on Anakin as an unknown double-edged sword. Every time Anakin finds himself in anguish, what does he do? Lash out with a tremendous amount of anger. I'd say that her mental attacks would not give enough of an opening for a kill, but one to knock him back and try to disrupt him more for the kill. Anakin and the like can use loose material mid-fight to create openings in the midst of fighting. The way you put it, Zannah actively needs an opening, albeit a small one, to make use of that ability. There's also the fact that you said Obi would have them switch which I doubt would be done so carelessly. If she tried to probe Obi-Wan's mind, he would be aware and would know Anakin should not face her. The man was a general during the war, he knows tactically, Zannah is Anakin's weakness. If they did switch, he would at least make Anakin aware.
Furious Sherman First of all, read the Bane books and then proceed to write a comment. Thanks.
MIKEY jesus, why do you all NOT GET IT ffs. Zannah trained in lightsaber combat with Bane. Bane uses a FAR more ferocious style of Djem So. Zannah was used to fight against this kind of combatant because of the regular training she had. She mastered Form III Soresu and was more than just a capable fighter. What she needed was just a very brief moment to cast her spell. If she could do that in her last fight against Bane, she certainly could do it vs Anakin. So thinking she wouldnt find an opening is just dumb and wrong.
This is probably my favorite VS of yours , nicely done !
Thanks dude! I hit you up with an e-mail regarding another match up.
Sounds good!
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When you really think about it, Anakin trains against literal Soresu perfection.
Zannah won't have the time to employ a mind probe because she'll be too busy getting pummeled by Anakin, who's trained against a far superior version of Zannah's Soresu. It won't take Anakin long to figure out how Zannah's defense cycle goes.
r.i.p anakin
cause: genjutsu
+Bob George Okay...this cant be a coincidence.
Underrated comment.
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Gotta disagree skywalker would have overpowered zahanna or if he couldn't its highly likely kenobi would have sensed anikan's emotional shift and jumped from bane and threw zhanna or blocked her to give skywalker the time to recover
These two have worked together for ever and them suddenly not doesnt make sense
I don't see Kenobi controlling his engagement with Bane so effectively where he could turn his back and start helping Anakin (I mean, unless Kenobi wants his back burnt by Force lightning).
Damon Wade there isn't much Kenobi could do to be honest. If Anakin cannot take Zannah, they lose. Kenobi would be so incredibly hard pressed by Bane he might break himself.
Antoine Bandele im think quite literaly leap away but it all depends on how far apart they get
If Obi-Wan can't control Bane well enough to break away and momentarily support Anakin, how can Zannah control Anakin well enough to concentrate on a force attack? If the defensive Zannah only needs a moment's opportunity to kill Anakin, how does the offensive Anakin not take advantage of the momentarily lessened defense of Zannah when she goes for the force attack?
Also, why would the Jedi, with the better team dynamic, opt for individual battles rather than working together? Why would the spatially and situationally aware Kenobi be outmaneuvered so easily?
Deusmortis those are two very different scenarios. Obi wan breaking away from his own fight isn't the same as zannah focusing on hers singularly.
I'm not sure why they'd work together. Through the time as partners they usually only work together against one opponent but with two they very well might split up.
This was such an awesome Versus matchup (and quite the hard one tbh lol) truly this was the fight of the Century Antoine can't wait for the next video :)
Agreed
I'm calling Anakin and Obi-Wan
What? How?
It wouldn't have Anakin killed it would push him harder and with more anger. He would have destroyed Zahana. As we've seen many times when promoted with visions or anything that would put his wife in danger he basically becomes a juggernaut at most it would be a second or two not several.
Zannah's spells aren't just an I'm-going-to-make-you-pissed-off power. It employs mind shard, which causes physical pain through the mind. All Zannah would need is a split second for Anakin to clutch at his head or wince from that pain to slice him through. The second part of her ability is the memory walk, where Zannah will pull at all of Anakin's inner demons. And the third aspect of her spells is Horror, which elicits fear.
Zannah's ability only needs to work a few seconds. It doesn't need to be indefinite. While she can make much weaker people go completely mad, I don't think she'd do that to Anakin. But she can stop, in my opinion, Anakin long enough for her to capitalize on an opening, just as she did against Sarro Xaj.
However, if she does not jump on that opening, or is altogether unsuccessful, then yes, Anakin would achieve a rage amp on par with what he did against Dooku and what within the Knightfall Operation (as highlighted in the video).
Antoine Bandele I do agree that he would die, just not in the way you explained it. I feel more along the lines of she uses the ability to help blind him in his rage while her master comes in behind for a quick swoop in the back. I haven't been able to read qnything about Zahana and her powers or bane. I can't find any of the books anywhere and it posses me off because I sound really ignorant when in trying to say something about bane or zanaha. My school is a getting new star wars book soon so maybe they'll be their. Thanks for the reply and explanation. I couldn't watch the whole video until now, first I'm replying then I watching it, keep up the great work man :)
You could try ordering them off amazon. The Darth Bane trilogy are Path of Destruction, Rule of Two, and Dynasty of Evil. They're good books, I recommend them.
As to the Sith Sorcery, I see it as roughly a 50/50 chance that it succeeds. In D&D terms, it depends on whether Anakin fails his Will save. If he succeeds, Zannah's wasted her turn and Anakin attacks back. If it succeeds, Anakin is stunned for a round, and Zannah gets a free attack.
Agreed
Here is how it was applied against Bane (who knew full-well what Zannah was capable of, mind you).
"Then the knife exploded, sending a million burning shards in every direction. Each one burrowed into his subconscious, seeking out buried fears and nightmares only to rip them free and haul them to the surface.
Bane let out a scream and dropped to his knees. When he stood up the sky was thick with a swarm of flying horrors. Their wings were torn and ragged, leather flaps of skin hanging from exposed bone. Their bodies were small and malformed, their twisted legs ending in long, sharp talons. Their flesh was a sickly yellow: the same color as the faces of the miners who had died on Apatros after being trapped in a gas-filled chamber.
Their features were inhuman, but their burning eyes were unmistakable: each creature was staring at him with the hate-filled gaze of his abusive father. As one, they swooped down on him, their mouths screeching out a cry that sounded like his father's name: hurst, hurst, hurst!"
Woah.Woah. Wait. And Kenobi grabbing up Anakin's lightsaber and going offensive typhoon like he did in the Clone Wars doesn't factor in? Come on dude. I also believe that Anakin would stomp a mud-hole through Zannah before she knew what hit her.
(1) Legends-only (no TCW was used here)
(2) Bane and Zannah > Maul and Savage
TCW conflicts with the original continuity of the Clone Wars, which is Legends. So no, it does not align (though for a time it did).
Kenobi has shown a fantastic offensive output with two sabers in the Republic comics. After being tortured for over a month while in his pre-prime, he fights through 20 armed guards and defeats Ventress. Defeating Ventress, while at a state notably under his performance at the time of this hypothetical match-up is set shows that he should at least contend with Bane and Zannah for a brief time while using Jar'Kai. Of course, Ventress is not Bane, but Obi was not at his prime and was physically and psychologically hindered while defeating VENTRESS, someone on about the same level as Hannah (I know you share this opinion from your Ventress vs. Zannah video).
yea does anyone remember when adi gallia was killed by savage obi wan forced her lightsaber to him and at an extremely close quarters duel with 2 lightsaber vs Maul prime and Savage Prime he over powered both of them because of his focused anger i think he would easily hold on zannah and bane even if it did happen. 18 strikes per second is much faster than what zannah and bane could do combined
they were still two tanks pressing obi wan and i didnt say 8 i said 18 and if bane did that he wasnt hit the rain, he was just blocking it it has nothing to do with his attacks, it just means hes fast as fuck boi. obi wan is faster than people give him credit for and even more of anakin even anakin was by no means a dumb duelist. He was one of the best tacticians in the jedi order behind kenobi and if obi wan can block 18 strikes per second having the force control him im sure he could do even better if he lets the force control him again
Completely agree, Zannahs spells would definitely mess Anakin up big time, she would pour sand all over his dead mother and make padme a slave. So many things she could use against Anakin. I'm wondering if she were to know about Obi wans past relationship with( I can't remember her name but I think she was political) along with visions of Qui Gons death could affect him too. Great video, really enjoyed it
Damnit! I should have made a joke about sand in the video! #missedopportunities
After watching this video, I found there were a lot of things I agreed with and others where I disagreed. The first thing I would like to address, I agree if Anakin fights Zannah and Obi-Wan fights Bane, Anakin is totally screwed, though I do think there's a chance that Zannah's spells could trigger a rage within Anakin that would be a lot like Ryu from Street Fighter giving in to his Raging Demon. However, for the sake of argument, I will say that I do agree that Zannah's spells will be useful against Anakin and have great potential to finish him. On the other hand, if Obi-Wan were to fight Zannah at the start of the fight while Anakin fights Bane, I have more faith in Obi-Wan bringing down Zannah for good. I also think it would be likely that she'd try to use her Force magic on Kenobi and fail to hinder him, and when she does this, he'd choose to keep fighting her until he's beaten her. And since Anakin has shown he can hold out in a marathon fight, I see him and Bane remaining in a deadlock until either Obi-Wan or Zannah fell, with Zannah the more likely to go down first. The part that I disagree with completely is that I don't see a switch happening at all. That feels more like a rookie mistake to make against Bane and Zannah. So, do I think Bane and Zannah can win? Yes, but only if the fight starts with Anakin challenging Zannah while Obi-Wan tries to hold off Bane. But if it's reversed, I don't see Obi-Wan recommending to Anakin that they switch targets and would elect to finish Zannah himself, which I feel is the wiser decision for the Jedi. In conclusion, to me, this is a 50-50 split, as it all depends on the different pairings. Bane and Zannah will win if it's Bane vs Obi-Wan and Zannah vs Anakin, but the Jedi heroes will win if it's the reverse. But either way, the apprentice will always go down first, and then the master will follow.
Great analysis wish Antoine would’ve thought of this
One issue is there is no guarantee that she would fall to hinder Kenobi. She drove bane to his knees in their fight with sorcery. Furthermore she does have some adeptitue with other sith powers which Kenobi had shown to be well too. The issue I have with using zannah in any match is there is actually very little info on her fighting art this level except against a true master. It's very difficult to actually judge whether or not she would have been able to affect Kenobi as she is even more powerful than she was in the previous book where she crippled and killed a Jedi with her powers. Also there was no suggestion that the Jedi she did kill was particularly vulnerable to such powers and she beat him anyway
All these people saying that Zannah's spell might "trigger a rage within Anakin" or something similar just make me sick. Either you haven't read the Bane trilogy and therefore have no clue how her ability works, or you simply dont get it for whatever reason. Like Antoine said: Zannah's spell is super effective against Anakin and there is NOTHING TO SAY AGAINST THAT. Get over it.
Disagree with the assessment of Anakin vs Bane and Zannah vs Kenobi.
*First of all, it is clear that Anakin vs Bane would end first.* Honestly, that is obvious beyond belief. *Both Zannah's and Kenobi's styles are primarly defensive* and both are excellent in this department (I believe Obi-Wan is slightly better but not by much). They are both clever fighters and excellent at surviving. It's hard to say who wins a long battle of constitution between the two (probably Obi-Wan). A lot of people say that Zannah lacks offensive output but honestly I've seen little evidence of this. She certainly employs a lot of offensive moves against people like Set Harth (who is admittedly way worse than Kenobi) using Ataru to a much greater degree than Obi-Wan. She was defensive against the hyper-agressive Bane, much like how Obi-wan was defensive in his duel vs Anakin on Mustafar and I would honestly argue that her offensive output is comparable if not better than Obi-Wan's. But anyway, neither is good enough to break through the other's defence anytime soon.
(Also, just a sidenote, Zannah is a similar (but superior) opponent to Ventress who, while never really giving Anakin+Kenobi a real run for their money, at least survived several encounters with them and Zannah is more defensive whilst being similarly acrobatic/evasive)
So really, what it will be is Anakin or Bane beating the other and overwhelming the remaining member of the opposing team (although I'm not even entirely convinced that Anakin and Obi-Wan would necessarily beat Bane since I rate Bane over Dooku and, as a team, the pair had a poor performance against Dooku whose downfall came about by goading Anakin into using the Dark Side+Overconfidence+Old Age/Lack of strength which will not be the same for Bane since Bane is both smart and strong. They probably, maybe take majority vs Bane but not guaranteed majority. Btw Obi will also survive for a long time vs Bane+Zannah too).
Anyway, Bane is smarter, more nuanced, more knowledgable than Anakin (knows all the forms etc), has had many more years of practice and is roughly comparable in force power (even though Anakin's potential power is greater, Bane's practiced use of the force probably even gives him an edge). Yes Anakin is battle-hardened but the majority of those battles were against blaster-wielding foes. If you only count the movies, he's been in less 'real' lightsaber conflicts than Bane (technically true, even if you don't count the training duels at the Sith Academy which were real enough so that people died in them). If you accept Clone Wars in all of its flawed glory, then yes Anakin has been in a lot of duels, though many were against Ventress who is of far lower calibre than anyone fighting here, but Bane's training and years of practice, in my mind, still come out on top; particularly the harsh, combat-1v1-oriented training at the Sith Academy, not to mention the holocrons he's learned from.
(btw, if you talk about this being a team battle instead of 2 1v1s then you have to admit that, whatever he does, Anakin is not evading Zannah's sorcery and that Zannah will attack both with her power before concentrating it all on Anakin who is weaker to it)
*tl;dr Bane vs Anakin will end centuries before the Zannah vs Obi-Wan fight does. Bane comes out on top and Obi will eventually fall to Bane+Zannah.*
@@r123554 Obi Wan is THE master of form 3.
Darth Malgus vs Plo Koon.
Lord Voldemort vs Mother Talzin.
Darth Maul vs Shaak Ti.
Qui Gon Jinn vs Tholme.
Luke Skywalker vs Kit Fisto.
Luminara Unduli vs Aayla Secura.
Ahsoka Tano (Rebels) vs Asajj Ventress.
Darth Plagueis vs Darth Andeddu
Darth Wyyrlok III vs Wolfe Karkko.
Bruce Jedi Lee Those are some awesome matches.It's tricky on who would be the victors
Star Wars Versus Man Thanks man
+Bruce Jedi Lee These are great matchups. Here are my current bets. Malgus, Talzin?, Jinn, which Luke? Because basically any incarnation except ROTJ stomps, Luminara, Rebels Tano (even though the inconsistencies cause great rage in me), Plague, Wyyrlok because lightsaber combat of all things. Karkko and Wyyrlok cancel out everything they other do in force abilities and Wyyrlok's ability to briefly contend with Darth Krayt is way better than Volfe contending with Battle meditation Vos.
Rob George 1: Why did you put a question mark after Talzin?
2: It is ROTJ Luke
+Bruce Jedi Lee The question mark was due to being really really shaken. I think Talzin would win, but idk. Since its ROTJ Luke, Kit stomps.
I say that you VASTLY underestimate Anakin's willpower in this matchup, not only do you overlook the fact that he was able to overwhelm Dooku with only some of his fury after Obi Wan was knocked out, but he also did it without his master and 0 encouragement from Sidious.
Excerpt: Each parry cost Dooku more power than he'd used to throw Kenobi across the room, each block aged him a decade he no longer even tried to strike back, force exhaustion had closed down his perception drawing his consciousness back down to his physical form until he could barely even feel the contours of the room around him, he dimly sensed stairs at his back stairs that led up to the entrance balcony, he retreated up them using the higher ground for leverage, but Skywalker just kept on coming, tirelessly, ferocious and even now he was holding himself back, even now as he landed at Dooku's flank and reigned blows upon the Sith Lord's defences even as he drove Dooku backwards step after step, Dooku could feel how Skywalker kept his fury banked behind walls of will.
Wouldn't it be safe to assume he could do something similar to his fear and anguish should Zannah get to him mentally, because Dooku is more level headed than Zannah will ever be and if he couldn't break Anakin's control what hope did Zannah have?
Zannah’s Spells of Madness are more than just get-you-angry-and-hope-that-throws-you-off spells. It’s much deeper and complex.
There are three steps to her spell, (1) is *mind shard* which inflicts physical pain through the mind, used specifically to open an opponent to one’s attack, (2) is *memory walk* which forces the target to relive tragedies in their life, (3) is *horror* which raises the fear levels of one’s opponent. All of these used in conjunction with one another is Zannah’s power, which she mastered fully. The best example is how she used it against Darth Bane, someone who was fully aware of what she was capable of, yet was still susceptible to her powers. Against someone like Anakin, who would not expect the power, and who has far more horrors and inner demons than Bane does, Zannah would have a field day.
No, Zannah would not dominate Anakin and drive him to madness as she’s done with some of her other subjects, but that’s not the point. It’s not necessary. All Zannah is looking for is a split-second for Anakin to slip up. And considering how effective her spells would be against Anakin, she’ll get a fair bit more than a split-second.
However, as stated at 34:05 if Zannah fails, if she cannot capitalize on her advantage, she would most certainly give Anakin a substantial rage amp the likes of which we saw against Dooku and the Jedi Knights and Masters within the temple.
Yes that makes sense, but the way you describe Anakin in this matchup you'd think he'd mentally break every time he saw someone he loved injured but this isn't true because if it was he'd have broken down crying in AOTC resulting in his own and Kenobi's deaths and if he didn't there in ROTS when Kenobi was knocked out he would've done something similar, the only people he could ever have that hypothetical reaction to are Padmé Skywalker and his mother and neither of them are near this battle so his fears are merely limited to Obi Wan Kenobi who he has fought on without plenty of times
But how much time do you need to do all that? Would she have it against Anakin's constant blows?
@@andrewstokes6623 when Anakin encounters he goes batshit when his mother died he slaughtered the sand people when she uses that spell he will batshit , the spell would work very she will just wish it didn't
ahmad abdul-ghaffar ur not understanding how her spells work it doesn’t make him mad it drives him mad theirs a difference considering palpatine had him abt to kill the very woman he’d been trying to save I think sith sorcery especially against ROTS Anakin is a very good bet
This is wierd but this could be cool
Do a Star Wars hunger games
Set this up in a large open area where they are only given their weapons, armor and wits and they struggle for food shelter and other stuff(just like the hunger games) and you could go through and basically say who you think would win the Star Wars hunger games and why
Obviously it's Everyone for themselves...but characters would create alliances but some would betray them and I think it would be crazy and would love to see who you think would win
I would have to go with Sidious tbh
I love the idea!
great idea!
Battle Royale!
We need this to be a thing.
I literally watch this going to bed because it's the most relaxing and interesting videos ever
Haven't even finished but already grinning from ear to ear! Thanks Antoine!
I've missed star wars versus series, thank you for doing this video
Eddard Skywalker I missed is Star Wars Versus as well I'm glad they are back :)
Can't help but feel like Zannah's initial probes of Anakin's mind would do nothing more than stir him up and ultimately he'd finish her off similarly to how he did with Ventress in the original Clone Wars cartoon.
A great match up and great battle, though I slightly disagree with the verdict. As this is a 2v2 it is extremely complicated and a hard battle to work out, so I am going to go through what I think would happen.
In the early stage of the battle I see it going much like the way you said, except I don't see a early victory for either. I have one thing to add, as Zannah is not under a lot of pressure from Kenobi I think she would test the waters with her sorcery, achieving nothing against him. I would see this ending with a 0/0.
In the middle stage is where some differences would be observed in my battle, which is I don't think a switch would happen, Kenobi while not knowing exactly what Zannah was doing he surely would of sensed a mental probe and attempt on his mind, knowing Anakin was a little unstable he would not switch in my opinion. On the other side of the field Anakin and Bane are fighting it up and the same is true for Zannah and Kenobi, Zannah could try to refocus and try and do a attack against Anakin, however this could be risky, as the second or 2 it takes to gather her focus against Anakin would leave her open to attack, seeing this I actually see this as a 50/50 chance she will try something against Anakin. If she does then I see her falling soon after, though the spell would more then likely go off, it would of left enough of a gap in her defence for Kenobi to exploit and kill her, however with Anakin, well that second is all it would of took for Bane to finish him off. However if it goes the other way, if she decides it is too risky, then the battle will continue on Kenobi vs Zannah with neither side gaining a advantage. On Bane vs Anakin if the sorcery didn't go of I see something interesting happening, Bane sensing Djem so isn't working would switch to his more aggressive version with Juyo, with this no immediate victory is won as again neither side take a advantage. For this round I see this going 2/2 for them both, while in one version neither side got a advantage in the other, both side lost the apprentice, so we will see how this plays out.
In the late stage there are two possible ways for them to lead up here, with all 4 still alive or Bane and Kenobi fighting each other. Let us first see what will happen if all 4 still alive. this is where it gets interesting, personally I see Bane falling to Anakin, I think his Stamina would finally run out after he uses Juyo for a extensive period of time and Anakin with this being one of the hardest fights he has ever done, would reach his pinnacle, just as he did with Dooku or possible even further. Once this is done, He would go and help Kenobi against Zannah, and she wouldn't stand much of a chance, she would be tired just as all of them would be and even if she got of a spell against Anakin, Kenobi would be able to defend him while he recovered, eventually resulting in her defeat. If Kenobi and Bane was the only ones left this is how I would see it going, Bane would run up to him and as the battle goes on Bane will realise that he will lose eventually as even with his more defensive style, he is too tired from fighting Anakin and he can't penetrate Kenobi's defence, because of this he would fall upon his force powers, lightning and force choke, if Kenobi could withstand this he would eventually win, however I don't think he would be able to and will die, with Bane the sole victor. I see this going 5/5 and purely based on circumstance, would Zannah risk a spell on Anakin while fighting Kenobi? I honestly am unsure. If you got any criticism let me know!
I honestly disagree that Bane & Kenobi would be "too close to call" in terms of a lightsaber duel. Rather, I believe that Bane would take the upper hand against Obi Wan. As you said, Bane & Anakin are roughly equal, & had it not been for dark-side Anakin's arrogance, he would've likely defeated Obi Wan on Mustafar, as he just looked all-around better than him during that duel. Not only is Bane also a Djem So master & roughly equal to Anakin regarding strength & speed, but he's too smart to allow the same type of arrogance to get the better of him. Essentially, Bane would be a more mature, commonsensical version of Anakin, & therefore wouldn't fall for Obi Wan's "high ground" as Anakin did, or any of his other tricks.
I disagree that Anakin looked better as a duelist. A fighter relentlessly being aggressive does NOT mean they’re the better fighter. Ask Floyd Mayweather.
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Well done. I have waited for this video for weeks, and you did not disappoint.
This. THIS! Is what I have been waiting for! Amazing video, as always
Revan and Malek vs obi wan and anakin
RevanTheFallen revan solos
I overrated my boi don't kill me
He doesn't solo but
RevanTheFallen you just got obi and Anakin now, think of someone different
That's the next team battle. And to Joshua, that is very, very silly, especially when examining *Darth* Revan (who is a ridiculously overrated character).
Antoine Bandele overrated by your point of view love him & Joshua bro don’t underestimate Skywalker & Kenobi
Antoine Bandele well it would depend on what time set we are referring to also yeah i admit i overrated him but if we look at it who do you think would win
Also
assaj vs barris
Barris vs savage
Savage vs ventress
Dooku vs maul
Dooku vs windu (if you haven't done it idr)
Kylo vs kanan
Rebels ahsoka vs anikan
Vader vs revan
Bane vs malgus
Maul vs obi wan
Windu vs obi wan
Clone wars ahsoka vs savage
Old maul vs rebels ahsoka
Windu vs Palpatine
Grand inquisitor vs kylo ren
Vader vs bane
Shaxt ti vs plo koon
Shact ti vs rebels ahsoka
Bane vs dooku
Zannah vs maul
Starkiller/galen vs obi wan
Maul vs grevious
Yoda vs grevious only lightsaber combat
inquisitor grand vs kit fisto
Kit fisto vs grevious
In the late fight, Obi would use Jar'Kai with Anakin's ligjtsaber
Legends not cannon
Yah he also use his anger to just like how maul killed qui gon
awesome video! can't wait for the next one.
How have I been away so long...I've wanted this for ages! thanks Antoine!
I've been looking forward to this.
My powers have doubled since the last time we met count
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Awesome video. I know you're not a fan of the longer videos but I really like them, Greyjedi's Bane, Zannah vs kenobi, windu one being one of my favourites despite being about 2 hours. I like the way you addressed Kenobi's passive and active force wall, too many people either say his force wall is nonexistent or just as good as everyone else's. Give him time to prepare he can defend against Dooku level force pushes as shown in the clone wars season 6 episode where he did defend against Dooku, however if caught off guard he can be taken out of the fight completely. Zannah also gets quite a lot of crap, she deffo gets her chance to shine in this fight through. Good job 👏🏻
Thanks Tom.
Yes!!! I’ve been waiting for this!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you!
Yes! Been waiting for this video.
This whole outcome depends on Zannah's ability to attack Anakin mentally. I feel like if she starts her dirty deeds before she and Anakin close to saber range then she has a good chance of succeeding of getting in his head and distracting him enough to get a strike in. However... once the blades start swinging I doubt she would be able to make her attack without taking some focus away fro. Her blade work and at that point Anakin breaks through her defense and kills her.
Darth Bane vs Darth Malgus.
Zachary Rose I vote bane
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Zachary Rose Yeah. He kind of already did that one.
Antoine Bandele lol.
Zachary rose he already made that one
Thanks mate keep up the good work
Awesome vid bro
I think Anakin should get the edge over Bane as a duelist. While I agree with everything else you said we need to remember a qoute from Rex "experience outranks everything". Anakin has seen more lightsaber duels than Bane has and while they weren't against other jugernaughts they were all against masters. I belive Anakins superior levels of experience would allow him to take Bane in a lightsaber duel
It's hard to say. I'm just not sure how Anakin would fare against someone as robust as him. We've only seen him go against light-weights (light-weights in terms of them not being heavy-hittings, not light-weight in the sense that they sucked or anything like that).
Yes and I did mention that but everyone he fought were on master level. And Anakin adapts quickly, he had never faced a duel wielder before but had little trouble against Ventress (no trouble related to her lightsaber style at least). This can maybe be attributed to his familiarity with the duel blade form but if that's the case then the same would happen with Bane as Anakin is very familiar with form 5. And even though Bane does include elements of form 3 in it Anakin has experience with that as well.
+Bruce Jedi Lee You are correct. Anakin has a superior degree of alivness than Darth Bane due to greater levels of live combat experience. However, I believe Darth Bane possess superior academic knowledge and took a very academic approach to lightsaber combat. If the style is something Bane already has researched, he can understand his opponent's application and adapt. Unfortunately for Anakin, while his application of Djem So is truly masterful, its still quite conventional which means Bane can figure him out and counter. However, this advantage of Bane comes from tactics and intelligence, rather than pure skill. Also, Bane's skillset is more well rounded than Anakin. Djem so for general purpose, form 3 for dedicated def, Juyo for dedicated offensive. While Anakin is pure djem so and ataru with intermediate-advanced knowledge of niman and shien. So I'm going with stalemate on this one. Bane's more well rounded skillset paired with his academic knowledge balances against Anakin's superior live combat experience. Maybe could go to Bane through war of attrition but Bane isn't that type of fighter.
Bane is smarter, more nuanced, more knowledgable than Anakin (knows all the forms etc), has had many more years of practice and is roughly comparable in force power (even though Anakin's potential power is greater, Bane's practiced use of the force probably even gives him an edge). Yes Anakin is battle-hardened but the majority of those battles were against blaster-wielding foes. If you only count the movies, he's been in the same amount (edit: less acutally, forgot battle vs Sirak for Bane) of 'real' lightsaber conflicts as Bane (technically true, even if you don't count the training duels at the Sith Academy which were real enough so that people died in them). If you accept Clone Wars in all of its flawed glory, then yes Anakin has been in a lot of duels, though many were against Ventress who is of far lower calibre than anyone fighting here, but Bane's training and years of practice, in my mind, still come out on top; particularly the harsh, combat-1v1-oriented training at the Sith Academy, not to mention the holocrons he's learned from.
Rhys Owen Anakin was stated to be as good a djem so duelist as one can be by Dooku. His also beat Dooku through finess not brute force. Also Anakin knows multipul forms and uses a lot of finess and adapts very quickly in fights. He also fought plenty of Magnaguards during the war. And no matter what type of battles you are more experienced with that experience will still be very useful in almost every type of fight. In battle, no matter which kind, you must learn to adapt quickly to changes mid fight and use your surroundings to your advantage in one way or another. That goes for fighting both blaster weilding and lightsaber weilding foes
I love your videos!
Thanks dude.
This was worth waiting for!
I love these!
You're drunk if you think Anakin woukd stop attacking long enough for spells😂😂😂
Darth Bane and Darth Zannah!
I'm very impressed with your assessments and insights in this video. In fact, I've been theorizing over a potential match-up between Obi-Wan and Darth Bane for almost a year. Both were between Tier 2-1.5 Council Masters, unbelievable lightsaber masters and relatively overblown or undervalued Force-users respectively. Both of them valued simplicity but one paired it with overwhelming power and the other unique creativity and awareness. Kenobi was always looking for an advantage, and applied his ingenuity and creativity in any situation, while Dart Bane was at his most dangerous with advanced planning, but always fell-back on the direct-approach when unanticipated situations exploded in his face. Also, their respective relationships with their own students made it even more interesting:
Anakin/Darth Bane=both Djem So Specialists with overwhelming talent and power, who focused on leveraging their overwhelming magnitude in all circumstances. However, one had a much more balanced skill-set than the other, and applied the same magnitude to all of his skills. While Bane's self-mastery and self-discipline exceeds Anakin's by a significant margin.
Kenobi/Darth Zannah=rare defensive heavyweights who focused on undermining their enemies, and exploiting an open as soon as it came. However, one utilized their martial skills as a tool to be used as needed, and otherwise depended on her innately exoteric powers, while being tactically unaware and, on the small-scale, gullible. While the other used physical and conventional abilities in unorthodox and creative ways, and was one of THE most tactical and strategic masters of his time. GreyJedi91 once described Zannah as a Sith Sorcery with the mentality of a Sith Juggernaught. I personally agree, and believe that Kenobi can be described a Jedi Guardian with the mindset of a Jedi Consular: he was a martially-focused Jedi who was dedicated to bringing and maintaining peace. Yet he favoured flexibility and diplomacy in every situation, and used subtlety and simplicity to undermine and control individuals and a situation rather than depending solely on pure physical abilities to the same degree that Mace Windu, Plo Koon, pre-darkside Malak, Quinlan Vos, Kyp Durron, Qui-GOn Jinn, or Kao Cen Darach did.
The similarities between Kenobi and Darth Zannah were only skin-deep, while Darth Bane and Anakin had notably deeper parallels in their fighting methods, powers and methodologies. Albeit, the depth of those parallels were moderate at most, but they remain serious. Especially given the potential for Darth Bane to apply the strategies he developed to use against Darth Zannah to defeat Kenobi. Of which around 90% would fail at best, and leave him exposed to be crippled or killed at worst.
Alternatively, Darth Bane's immensely greater power and willingness to use it in any situation would put him in a very favourable position against Kenobi's most notably weakness: his ability to withstand Force-attacks from anyone around the Tier 2-1 level. However, the only abilities that Bane has consistently against Force-users around his own league were Force-repulse, Force-scream, and Force-Lightning. Rather than the more focused powers like Force-push, Force-grip, Force-Whirlwind or Throwing loose that have been used by Count Dooku, Kyle Katarn, Darth Malgus, Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, Darth Malak, Exar Kun, Darth Sidious, Darth Kryat, Mara Jade Skywalker, Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus, Jaina Solo-Fel, Kao Cen Darach, or the Jedi Exile on a consistently regular basis. Even Anakin Skywalker, Cade Skywalker, and Asajj Ventress have used Force-grips, Force throws and Force-push against opposing Force-users around or above their league more often than Darth Bane has.
And when Bane was engaged in more dramatic examples of Force-power against Force-users around his league or higher, it was usually on a grand-scale or from a distance rather than with concentrated focus or up-close and personal. Such as demolishing the building on Lehon, or using Force-lightning to attack Darth Zannah after she starting using Darkside-tendrils. His use of alter-abilities mirrored his strategic genius; being at their most effective on a grand-scale rather than up-close and quick-on-the-draw. Similar to Yoda and Mace Windu.
A situation that Kenobi could arguably match him in given his own large-scale alter-class powers. Such as levelling three Felucian Trees while on the outer-haul of a Starship, sending General Grevious flying dozens of meters into the air with enough force to dent solid metal, blasting the Gen'dai Durge apart with a Force-Repulse, and matching a rage-fueled Darth Vader in a telekinetic arm-wrestle. (Something I think has been undervalued by some. Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader was THE most powerful Force-users in existence. And the innate magnitude of power in his Force-abilities would have been amplified by his darks die emotions to a dangerous high level. While he did lack greater skill with the simplistic method, a Sith like pre-armoured Darth Vader could pour a huge amount of raw power into such a move from emotional intensity alone. Only someone with Tier 1-2 power and skill could match that kind of intensity for even a moment. And Kenobi held-on long enough to cause them to stalemate each other). Following a example you you have used in a previous video, such a feat would be like a mature Twilight Vampire matching a Newborn in pure physical strength. Although, Kenobi would only be able to moderately match, Darth Bane. Not counter or overwhelm him. However, Kenobi is more predisposed to use the environment against this opponents. And both himself and Darth Bane are always looking for every advantage they can find in a fight.
Bane and Kenobi alone would undoubtedly be a close-match. But in this situation, it's even more difficult say depending on who is matched-up against whom: Kenobi/Bane and Anakin/Zannah, or Kenobi/Zannah against Anakin/Bane. Or would Kenobi and Anakin keep the fight a two vs. two, where their teamwork undoubtedly outshines the Sith through their training and experience?
Great video
Your car metaphor made me laugh so hard. It fits my two cars so good.
Wait if zannah use anakins fear against him wouldn't his fear turn to hate and he go in to a dark side rage which he's been known to do i mean anakins has faced attacks of the mind before though zannah is a master at it i just think anakin in a rage could have done a lot of damage to bane and zannah
Zannah’s Spells of Madness are more than just get-you-angry-and-hope-that-throws-you-off spells. It’s much deeper and complex.
There are three steps to her spell, (1) is *mind shard* which inflicts physical pain through the mind, used specifically to open an opponent to one’s attack, (2) is *memory walk* which forces the target to relive tragedies in their life, (3) is *horror* which raises the fear levels of one’s opponent. All of these used in conjunction with one another is Zannah’s power, which she mastered fully. The best example is how she used it against Darth Bane, someone who was fully aware of what she was capable of, yet was still susceptible to her powers. Against someone like Anakin, who would not expect the power, and who has far more horrors and inner demons than Bane does, Zannah would have a field day.
No, Zannah would not dominate Anakin and drive him to madness as she’s done with some of her other subjects, but that’s not the point. It’s not necessary. All Zannah is looking for is a split-second for Anakin to slip up. And considering how effective her spells would be against Anakin, she’ll get a fair bit more than a split-second.
However, as stated at 34:05 if Zannah fails, if she cannot capitalize on her advantage, she would most certainly give Anakin a substantial rage amp the likes of which we saw against Dooku and the Jedi Knights and Masters within the temple.
Ok thanks i understand now keep up the good work
@@AntoineBandele you drunk?
Personally I believe that zannah would only cause Anakin to explode emotionally with her use of madness, effectively boosting Anakin to one of his incredible feats rather than crippling him.. but good analysis all the same
Zannah’s Spells of Madness are more than just get-you-angry-and-hope-that-throws-you-off spells. It’s much deeper and complex.
There are three steps to her spell, (1) is *mind shard* which inflicts physical pain through the mind, used specifically to open an opponent to one’s attack, (2) is *memory walk* which forces the target to relive tragedies in their life, (3) is *horror* which raises the fear levels of one’s opponent. All of these used in conjunction with one another is Zannah’s power, which she mastered fully. The best example is how she used it against Darth Bane, someone who was fully aware of what she was capable of, yet was still susceptible to her powers. Against someone like Anakin, who would not expect the power, and who has far more horrors and inner demons than Bane does, Zannah would have a field day.
"Opening herself up to the power of the dark side, Zannah reached out and touched the mind of her Master.
* * *
Bane sensed the attack, bracing himself.
He had encouraged Zannah's training in Sith sorcery, knowing she might very well use it against him one day. If it turned out he wasn't strong enough to survive, then he wasn't worthy of being the Dark Lord of the Sith.
That didn't mean he was unprepared, however. Dark side sorcery was complex; it attacked the psyche in ways that were difficult to explain and even more difficult to defend against. Bane had no talent for it, yet he had done his best to study the techniques. What he learned was that the only real counter was the victim's strength of will.
Zannah's assault began as a sharp pain in his skull, like a hot knife stabbing directly into his brain before carving down to slice the two hemispheres in half. Then the knife exploded, sending a million burning shards in every direction. Each one burrowed into his subconscious, seeking out buried fears and nightmares only to rip them free and haul them to the surface.
Bane let out a scream and dropped to his knees."
_Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil - Chapter 26_
No, Zannah would not dominate Anakin and drive him to madness as she’s done with some of her other subjects, but that’s not the point. It’s not necessary. All Zannah is looking for is a split-second for Anakin to slip up. And considering how effective her spells would be against Anakin, she’ll get a fair bit more than a split-second.
However, as stated at 34:05 if Zannah fails, if she cannot capitalize on her advantage, she would most certainly give Anakin a substantial rage amp the likes of which we saw against Dooku and the Jedi Knights and Masters within the temple.
Its been a minute since you made a full length Versus series. You haven't skipped a beat, excellent work as always!
Actually, the introductions were cut and no one noticed. I've been hacking at the "full" VS bit by bit like that.
I didn't noticed until you mentioned it. It feels like these longer videos have more depth, and its an awesome throwback to a few years back. It's good to see you forward more time to a versus series, despite having so many projects going on! Keep up the good work, B!
I approve of this video! Thank you for all of your hard work in putting this together.
you forgot to mention the fact that anakin and obi-wan achieved force-meld which essentially combined them mentally (one mind two bodies) and thus they don't split up, fighting as one entity
*Hey did anyone mention Anakin getting angered by Zannah’s sorcery and becoming stronger*
yes. But that wasn't factored in
Because that’s not how that works. Darth Zannah’s spells are not some slide show, it’s mental torture. Anakin isn’t some God who just shrugs off his myriad of insecurities and gets mad immediately. There will be a period of time where he would be weakened and Zannah only needs those seconds
@@tnntaronewsnetwork4514 You're forgetting that she's literally immobile for seconds herself while formulating those spells, and that she only got away with it due to where she fought Bane, and the fact that he was older, more frail, and slower. Wouldn't have that advantage against a 23 year old Anakin.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Darth Bane is not “frail” nor “slow”. The man literally kept rain from hitting him for several minutes. And he’s massive.
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As always amazing video! And funny how in the last team vs. Zannah was the decisive losing factor, while now she is the decisive winning factor. Now I am really excited for the last round. Completely no idea who’ll win that one, if anything it will probably be quite close. I think very slight advantage for the Jedi team, but we’ll see!
Gosh dang it Anakin you had one job 😂
I feel like Anakin would actually fuelled more when Zannah would try to pull up his inner Demons
Havent seen these in awhile due to work. Oh how I have missed your work Antoine!! lol
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Thank you :D Also I was a bit surprised by the outcome but agree with you on this battle!! Good work !!
Well Reasoned. Loved the introduction.
Although Zannah could exploit Anakin's fears to the advantage of his team, Anakin is not exactly so suspectible to mind-attacks.
And probably if something like that happened, probably Obi-Wan could act quickly, blocking the connection and sending Anakin back to reality.
Also, we know that exploting Anakin's fears can be a ''weapon of double edge'', because yes, it can cause him to loss his concentration but it CAN ALSO CAUSE the contrary effect, we have as proof that making Anakin mad can cause him to, ironically, focus more on the combat, and examples of proof are the later stages of the final fight against Dooku inside the Invisible Hand during the climax of the Battle Of Coruscant, in which Anakin, after seeing how Dooku knocked out his master from the contend with a force choke combined with a push to some metallic bars, increased his rage, focus and efforts to defeat Dooku and thanks to that he managed to overcome the Count of Serenno. Other proof is the duel in Clone Wars 2003 between Anakin Skywalker Vs Assaj Ventress, in which the story almost repeats itself.
Also, I think that Anakin and Obi-Wan are almost the ultimate duo, Obi-Wan is literally ''the wall of the walls'', he can distract enemies the enough time to give Anakin the opportunity to strike down they with a powerful counterattack.
Usign Spells Of Madness against Anakin is, in my opinion, risky, A VERY RISKY move.
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This was a match between my favorites and you did great in your analysis of the match since 2v2 are difficult to do well.
I believe Anakin and Obi Wan would win, because Obi Wan would know Zannah would use Sith sorcery and keep Anakin away from her.
1) Obi-Wan doesn't know that (he knows nothing about Sith-sorcery)
2) Bane would prevent Obi-Wan from controlling the engagement, Bane's lightning can rip down Force-walls and instantly reduce people to ash
fantastic video, Antoine, loved the way you presented your argument.
though, I am slightly skeptical of Zannah's ability to actually capitalize on Anakin's vulnerability. I definitely agree that Zannah's spells will tear Anakin's mind apart like a knife through butter, but when Zannah utilized this power against Bane, she didn't capitalize on the advantage presented because she couldn't let up on her concentration. She had to maintain her concentration otherwise the spell would break. While she was ultimately unsuccessful, she did stall Bane long enough to be able to kill him, just as you stated she would do to Anakin. But would she be able to capitalize on the advantage?
Because Anakin would be far more devastated than Bane was.
Fucking love this channel top quality content that is just... god how to word it... unprecedented: a unique presentation fused with a professional commentary. Liked before watched. Betting on Bane and Zannah. Thanks Antoine for another video I can look forward too
A brilliant match up and outcome!
This fight to me could come down to something often overlooked in combat: spacing. The Sith's main and only real game breaking advantage is Zannah's sorcery. But I find it hard to believe she would be able to launch an attack strong enough to incapacitate Anakin without being cut to ribbons herself. But that changes if she has the time to take Anakin on from a distance. If the switch happened in close proximity to one another, I'm not sure Zannah would be able to get to Anakin in time. But if there was any significant distance between them, that might be enough to swing it. Also, take into account Kenobi's touch with the living Force. He might sense the danger his Padawan would be in. Im not 100% sure how Kenobi would respond to that, but I see him perhaps being able to make use of his subversive abilities to knock Zannah off balance long enough for Anakin to strike. I don't think it would take a great deal for Anakin to beat Zannah, but admittedly I don't think much of Zannah as a duelist. If Anakin was able to resist at all, with the sorcery possibly enraging him further and amping him however unlikely that might be, he would dice Zannah. The margin for error here for the Sith is razor thin to me, and I see it being much more likely that the Jedi come out on top. Still in all, excellent video as always!
Finally it took awhile but you did it. I been looking forward to this
Aaah I’ve missed these longer Versus videos
a versus battle I always wondered about
I think Ankakin after getting all thease fears would turn on full Vader mode and began to fight like in episode 3
People in the comments are acting like Zannahs spells are just simple memory walks. If a character is stable they will say Zannah can not possibly affect them, if a character is unstable they will just say he gets really mad.
Thank you, someone reasonable. I swear to god, does surprise factor not mean anything to people? Her magic doesn’t just get bounced off when it hits people.
Yess my favorite team vs my personal coolest team yay thanks for making this video.
i liked this this was a very good match up
Those spells of madness are just TOO damn powerful in this scenario. The outcome was never in doubt. Team Jedi would win an outright saber contest, but with all skills on the table; Bane is too overtly powerful and practiced in the force and Zannah too skilled in sorcery to be overthrown here.
I feel like Obi-Wan would sense what Zannah is trying to do to him, and relay that to Anakin. I have no doubts they'd plan around that and be smart enough to keep Anakin unpaired with her.
He would be to busy with Bane
Bruce Jedi Lee he’s basically saying Obi Wan and Anakin wouldn’t switch opponents. Obi wouldn’t let Anakin fight Zannah since he felt her probing his mind and he knows Anakin would get devastated by such an ability
Amazing matchup!!! Two form 3 apex masters of their time along with two insane form 5 masters!! Your the man!!!
Great video man, earned yourself a new sub. Quick question though, what's the music that plays when you introduce Bane and Zarrah's force abilities? Couldn't find it on the music you listed. Anyway, amazing video and I can tell you do put a lot of effort into this.
'Twas from here (listed in the description): JEWEL DISK
www.jewelbeat.com/
I'd say that zanah would be cut down by Anikin after the madness spell out of sehr anger.
The fact that "Anikin" (Anakin) is just way to emotional to just ignore it and also the fact that he is not a sith yet so he will not only use his anger tells us, that zannah would break him (mentaly)
Takahashi Takeda Except we have seen Anakin use his anger when probed and taunted like this before he was a sith. He destroyed Dooku because of it and nearly killed ventress because of it. To be honest, Zannah would need to watch it, if she goes too overboard, Anakin might just snap, and if it's not enough, he can shrug it off. It would need to be a perfect middle.
There is a window Zannah has between Anakin freaking out from the images, pain and fear puncturing his mind, and him conducting himself and achieving a rage amp. I fall on the side of Zannah being able to take him out before he composes himself.
Not even close. Zannah's mind probing would work about as well on Anakin as it would on Vader, i.e. it'd increase his anger and fury a hundredfold and make him even more powerful, sealing Zannah's doom.
Antoine Bandele you’re forgetting how Anakin gets when you put pain, misery ,anger suffering , plus fear stuff into his head and it mind fucks him and he becomes OP sometimes makes him a
Bruiser , Heavy hitter , berserker & something in between Hulk / Wolverine
& forgive me if I sound like a fan boy
I don’t wanna trigger anyone
But it’s once said the longer the battle takes the more powerful Anakin becomes & if he have not fallen he becomes
Powerful
This was an interesting video, but I'm a little mixed on the verdict for a couple reasons. If Obi-wan opens with Zannah and she attempts her spells on him, he would definitely take notice of it and while he might not know what she tried, I don't think he would want to risk putting Anakin (who he knew wasn't the most mentally sound person) against such an opponent. Or if he did, he would at least make an effort to advise Anakin. Secondly, while it's definitely true that Zannah's spells would be devastating against Anakin and open him to attack, Obi-wan would definitely sense that something terrible has happened and come to his aid. Their bond was so strong that Obi-wan would likely be willing to sacrifice himself to protect his friend, possibly giving Anakin a chance to come to his senses. This might not change the verdict of the battle, but I just thought that those two points should be accounted for.
Damn, that was a great breakdown. Did not expect Zannah to be the deciding factor but it's hard to argue against your thought process here.
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Greatest intro of all time
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I was expacting a different outcome and im quite happy that in wrong. Great video as always.
Darth Nihilus vs Darth Sion, I would love to see this match up.
Obi-Wan and Anakin would win because plot armor
this joke is dead. Stop it
@@lapplandkun9273 I posted that 2 years ago
Do we really need to still talk about this
Ahhhhh I missed these videos 😭🤧😀😊
Awesome video, really like darth bane and zannah!
No way! Darths would obliterate these two
I think every match involving Zannah boils down to the question: Can the fighter resist Zannah's spell?
There are a lot of people who could ragdoll stomp zannah. Sidious, yoda, Luke, caedus, etc.
@@hunniebunnies To be fair to Yoda, he was not prepared. Also, it was Sidious and Dooku together.
Aye, Eric from Blindwave! Love that Channel.
Woah! 36 minutes? That's nuts, but a good kind of nuts.
The breakdown of their fighting styles and force abilites was amazing. You used a lot of source materials to back up what you were saying and clearly stated what each of their strengths and weaknesses were. I also really liked that you showed when they came out on top in battles and when they didn't (and if they did win because they had armor or something, you stated it outright). Even though I'm not as well versed in a lot of the lore as you are, because you presented their physical and force abilities in this manner, I can fully trust your descriptions of them.
The bit where you lost me a little was during the match ups when deciding who had the dueling abilities edge. You rated Kenobi and Bane as equals, even though you mainly pointed out why Bane was a superior duelist. You also said that you 'heavily favor Anakin' when pitting her against Zannah, even though you seem to retract this statement when Zannah wins her one-on-one against him in the death battle.
So while this video is awesome, I'm not sold on the final verdict, especially since you gave the Jedi the physical abilities edge and the dueling abilities edge, and because you said that you favor Anakin over Zannah. Other than that, I really enjoyed the video, particularly your analysis on Obi-Wan. I knew that the guy was a master of Soresu, but I didn't know exactly to what degree. I feel like I learned a lot of things from this video in general!
The Versus Series is one of my favorite things on TH-cam. Your work is awesome, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Kenobi and Bane are equals in the sense that Kenobi's defense and Bane's offense would meet at a deadlock. Kenobi's defense was better than Bane's, and Bane's offense was better than Kenobi's. Bane is perhaps a more complete duelist, especially with Juyo. But the issue with Juyo is that it's very exhausting and if it fails, he'd fall to Kenobi. And Bane, being the intelligent fighter that he is, I think, wouldn't fall into the trappings of a Juyo assault, instead, locking down with Djem So. Now, if this were a lightsaber only match up then I would likely side with Bane over Kenobi but in terms of an individual round, they are equals for me.
I heavily favored Anakin as a lightsaber duelist, not for his Force abilities, which is what gave Zannah the edge for me.
Having more edges in a fight does not automatically create a victor, especially when circumstance is thrown in. And the circumstance here is Zannah's effectiveness with Sith sorcery, and Anakin's less than perfect defense against it.
Antoine Bandele oooooh ok. Now things make a lot more sense. And yeah, a lot depends on circumstance. Thank you for clarifying!
I think the fight ends early though especially with Bane's Force powers and dueling abilities
Bane would know exactly how to fight Anakin I don't think Bane will lose to a Jedi guardian he knows all the Jedis abilities.
I favor the Sith 6/4, not 7/3.
If Zannah can hit the spot she'll destroy Anakin, but I'm not totally confident it in, thus 6/4.
Justin Helms I mean she did it against bane Nd bane knew abt it Nd knew it was coming mid fight but anakin will avoid it?🤔
A proper vs! Yay!
Just startin' but OH BOY HERE WE GOOOOOOOO