I vote for the Gideon loyalist Mandalorians. It would also explain the red lit mando helmet at the beginning of the show. That's Gideon's mando helmet.
I still just think it was his Beskar alloy droids who saved him... probably Kane on the inside relayed the flight path info back to Thrawn. Gideon had likely been developing these droids and other Beskar materials for Thrawn in the first place.
Ummm let's see who has a reputation for working for the empire? Think dude think. I know it's hard for star wars fans to use their brains but just try once. ok?
Man i cant wait for thrawn to appear. I would love to see him have the same kind of entrance into the show as negan did in the walking dead. That was a thrilling entrance.
4:23 not only did she serve under Gideon, she was on his cruiser when the Mandalorians and Luke took the ship. I’d like to know exactly how she escaped.
She didn’t escape, she was captured and then entered the New Republic’s Amnesty Programme. In fact, she’s one of the members who now sniffs out imperial loyalists, although it’s evident to the viewer that she’s a loyalist herself
I work retail, and "ISB" stands for In-Store Bakery for us and it's plastered over boxes as 'ISB' Every time someone references the Empire as 'ISB', i have a chuckle at the idea of Moff Gideon baking a loaf of bread lol
In some interview with the whole cast, Giancarlo Esposito said that mof likes mandalorians and wants to be one. So your theory is very close to his words, cannot wait till next episode drops. Thanks for the video Ryan, as always it's great.
@Five Bros Stop Mos there's not even any remnants of any escort ships. Should have been at least something there if there was fighter escort. And they should be going through hyperspace so the ones who did it had to have interdiction technology.
The theory that gideon is a mando is actually genius. If you think back to when he and din fought he pretty much goes thru his whole armor/ ammo and tells him everything he already used. He also knows the legend of the saber… this would be a great plot twist. Excited to see how it plays out
I'm sticking with Thrawn being this seasons big bad. It just makes sense, you know? He'll be the big bad in Ahsoka, no better way to introduce him than in The Mandalorian. I guarantee he broke out Gideon, blew up Bo Katans Castle, hired the Pirate, Gorian Shard, to take ownership of Nevarro, to continue work that was done there in Seasons 1 and 2
For him to be the big bad of the season Mando would have to confront him by the end and I don't think this will happen but he'll definitely be the mastermind behind everything we've been seeing since S1, will probably be revealed right at the end as a cliffhanger for Ahsoka
In the intro flashes showing Vader with a red hint, R2D2 with a blue hint, ect. The last few episodes have had a mandalorian looking Helmet in red. I think its inductive of a mandalorian antagonist
I'm thinking this entire episode was "the warning" that Thrawn is back and active already. With Ahsoka coming up, and Thrawn being a focus of hers, it's time to introduce him. Throughout this episode we had specifically highlighted... All the things going on all over and only a couple people are starting to putting the pieces together The Empire's work is being done, but it's being done by pirates while the Empire stays hidden in the background so it looks random/unimportant Gideon broken out so he can be a "returning villain" so the New Republic blames him and doesn't look any further into what's going on. And he stays the big bad for The Mandalorian show Planted Beskar to turn allies/potential allies against each other before they can become a threat This is all Thrawn style misdirection and subtle execution.
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Instead of your "Mandos are space Jews" theory (which is patently absurd by the way), I have determined that no, they are actually analogous to the warrior tribes of Native Americans who were displaced by colonialists. It's a warrior tribe, not a bunch of soft ass Red Sea Pedestrians. Or in your stupid theory are only Abrahamic religions allowed? Do tell.
How come no one thinks it was sabine wren ? She may be introduced through this plot twist. Maybe she wants to interrogate Gideon to find out where Thrawn and Ezra are.
Sabine Wren would never leave New Republic officers dead in space... The New Republic was the Rebellion that she served with throughout the Rebels series...
@@synchroPhaze I never said they would free him. When they showed Phase 3 Dark Troopers they said the last remaining flaw was the human element so they thought making them full machines was the ultimate strategy and type of trooper. After seeing Luke easily cut through a squad of Phase 3s in the S2 finale, it's logical for Gideon to improve the Phase 3s using beskar because it can reflect lightsabers
Don't forget in one of the previous video's he also talks about the red and blue colouring of the helmets during the intro, signifying the good (blue) vs bad/evil (red)... and the last red helmet is a Mandalorian helmet, suggesting there is going to be an evil Mandalorian character or one wearing such armor.
The Armorer: The mere existence of beskar weapons put sall Mandalorians at risk. Also the Armorer: These Whistling Birds rocket powered beskar homing needles of death are just swell.
Spot on with all of this. I think Thrawn makes his live debut next episode. I bet they reveal him at the very end of the episode. Interesting theory about Gideon having beskar armor... All of this makes sense. I'm pretty sure though that your theory on the First Order pinning the New Republic against the Mandalorians is actually a really good idea. Also makes me wonder... like where did the Mandalorians and Grogu disappear to in time for the sequels debacle to occur?
Interesting that the armorer said beskar should only be used for armor when in season one she made whistling birds for Djin with the extra beskar he donated.
It was Sabine Wren who took Gideon. The clue was the Zeb being around, and the beskar fragment left behind. They took him to help find Thrawn and it'll be more for the Ahsoka show than Mando show. In a few months you'll read this comment and think to yourself yeah obviously duh, but now you might disagree.
He said “it’s a fragment of beskar ALLOY” armor isn’t an alloy, it should be pure. So my guess is it’s a weapon like the spear, but of lesser purity. It would need to be combined with something for it to break into a chunk like that, pure beskar dents/bends/melts, but doesn’t break
There’s definitely a missed “Steve the Pirate from Dodgeball” reference for this video that I fully expect to see next go round. Thanks for the content brotha. Always good stuff
I’ve been wondering where Koska Reeves & Axe Woves has been after they ditched Bo…also been wondering where the Mando’s loyal to the empire went as well
Morgan Elsbeth having a Beskar Spear proves there is Beskar not in the hands of Mandolorians. The Armoror said Beskar was only for armor not weapons but in the first season, she clearly make whistling bird weapons from some of the Beskar Mando brought her. There might be other weapons the amorer is conveniently forgetting.
It’s crazy how one episode can make all the previous episodes good after you know how they all connect, even thought episode 3 was boring af it makes sense why they put it in
Fragments could be microscopic as they were detected by the probe droid. It's quite believable that very small microscopic fragments may scrape off or otherwise be flaked off by blaster fire.
6:14 I would to think (or hope the writers think) it's just a Children of the Watch belief, because there is a traditional Mandalorian sword called a Beskad that is made from Beskar. And if you look it up, it is Canon so there are traditional Beskar weapons within Mandalorian culture.
I think it could also set up why we don't see any mandalorians in the sequels. Din brings the Children of the Watch out of hiding on Nevarro. Gideon frames the Mandos for his escape and the Children of the Watch get wiped out by the New Republic from above and the empire. I believe the Armorer will only be revealed when she's dying.
@screenCrush What if it is Thrawn? As the Armorer says, Beskar is for Armor now weapons. The spear was a weapon, which was being welded by a group that was using a Chimaera, AKA Thrwan. If it was Thrawn you know he wouldn't have just had one weapon made with it.
Time liine wise the only thing that makes sense is if Moff Giddian was freed right after he was caught, because it'd be beyond moronic to take him to Coruscant then ship him back to a prison in the outer rim. Clearly there'd be a prison in the Galactic Core they could have kept him, or anywhere but a prison near Navaro. Imagine in the old west if they captured a war criminal, shipped them back to Washington DC for a trial, then sent him back to a prison in Wyoming or Nevada where he was they were captured and isn't under Washington's control. Just wouldn't happen.
Along with what you are saying at the end with Moff Gideon maybe being a mandalorian, what if the titles of each episode this season are actually describing him and his journey 👀😱I know its an out there theory, but… 1. The Apostate- He become one when recruited by the empire 2. The Mines of Mandalore- He’s most def been there 3. The Convert- By gaining the dark saber, he’s recognized (by some mandos) as a mandalorian again 4. The Foundling- When he takes Grogu 😢 5. The Pirate- Because he does what he does
I think that if Moff Gideon was taken from the New Republic, it would have probably been the Imperial Remnant and left Beskar on the ship to frame the Mandalorians, which I think would be a neat way to do so because Mandalorians never leave traces of beskar behind.
What if the Beskar found imbeded in the ship was a shard from a projectile? Storm troopers equipped with beskar bullets? Bo Katan unites a massive Mandalorian army and they all get mowed down by beskar bullets. Damn...
I watched Chapter 22 this morning before watching this video. While I think the most likely explanation is that the imperials framed the Mandalorians, I think it's entirely possible that the Night Owls were paid to break Gideon out of prison. That could of course lead to a big conflict between the Night Owls and the Watch in the next 2 episodes.
Remember that the helmets in the beginning of each show have red and blue hues - one of the red helmets is a mandalorian helmet - dark side in the bigger picture.
@@killerlork You could have had a new external threat coming in to challenge the New Republic rather than just remnants of the Empire such as the Yuuzhan Vong, which was a great story that ceased being cannon when Disney took over.
When I first saw the shuttle, my brain jumped to the Chiss. But that would be a wholly new concept I don't think they'd introduce. It's one thing to have Thrawn, another to have the whole Ascendancy. My only beef with the thing is that beskar is pretty resilient. I'm trying to think of a scenario in which a fragment of beskar could be left behind.
I know this mostly a joke, but I see this comment a lot. As if he has been petitioning for Children of the Watch to not have to wear helmets always. Din has grown to have a wider acceptance of what makes a Mandalorian, but he still wants to be part of his tribe. When he put his helmet back on after saying goodbye to Grogu, he didn't take it off again. When he was considered an apostate, he still wore it.
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1.gideon is under the command of thrawn. 2.the reason they wiped out the mind of the genetist was because he cloned the mithosaur. 3.the end of ep.21 is a classical thrawn plot, so is mandalore's purge. 4.the attack on mandalore was also plotted by thrawn... plus the fact that it was him who aided grogu to be secluded in order to get... 5.jedis' genetic material to use camino's genetech to clone a proper vessel for the dark side. 6.originally all these were plotted by darth plagueis, who was in charge of the 3 grand admirals. 7. Grogu is the mandalorian of the title... which leads to the hypothesis that mandalore was also a force user maybe a jedi. 8. On top all above this is leading to a dark empire cameo to solve the issue of raise of skywalker on how palpatine claimed to wield all the siths' dark side power. 9.the way is being pirated (altered copied) for the new order's army again a thrawn's plot. 10. The armorer might be under the influence of thrawn... so yes the real villain here is thrawn.😮
Now that Bo has been set on a course to unite her people, it would make total sense to introduce new Mandalorian factions in the show (including antagonistic ones) and that beskar-thing might be our first introdution to that. 😅 I don't really buy the framing theory on the other hand. I mean, the New Republic higher ups know the shuttle transporting Moff Gideon never arrived to its destination and thus they know he escaped his trial but did they find the derelict ship or were they just not able to locate it precisely because of the infiltrated ex-imperial elements within their ranks ? Feels rather cold not to at least recover their own people's dead bodies if they knew where to look. 😅 The point being, was this shuttle supposed to be found by anyone in the first place or was it found because of one very stubborn pilot officer ? If the latter is correct, why waste such a precious material on a surface nobody was going to look at ? 🤔
*Cara Dune being killed transporting Gideon would make sense..* During the episode, The Rescue in Season one, she was the one that basically was keeping Gideon in check after he was captured. It stands to reason she would personally escort him. Transporting a Moff to await trial is exactly something Special Forces would do. Lastly, nothing less than a Mandalorian would probably be needed to take her down. Sad to see her go, but killing her off would fuel Dinn to fight Gideon with renewed vengeance.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the armorer is of the same race is Darth Maul. She does have horns on her helmet. Now all she has to do is pull off her helmet and reveal her horns, bloodshot eyes, chocolate lipstick, sharp teeth, and a big old wart on her chin
I think "saved" may be a tragic word for Gideon as he was a) Defeated b) Had his work discredited and destroyed and c) Captured. If he is going back under the Empire control they may have gotten to him just to not let more of his reasearch be lost, but no doubt in my mind he will pay a heavy price for being saved.
It makes sense that Gideon would try to setup other Mandalorians but wasn't the case labeled as classified, and they specifically made it a 1 shuttle transport to be easily attacked? If so wouldn't they make it public?
I mean, the scene literally before this one was Bo katan going off to find other mandos.. so we know there are other mandos out there. Could literally be new characters that'll be introduced season finale or that etc.. could be someone whos acquired beskar.. there was that miner droid/cyborg thing from ep 2
sixteen episodes work together the 2 finale episodes On the whole, I definitely felt this season was not only good but also an excellent improvement over season 1. We got a lot more intriguing stuff such as the phasing out of the Clones, the Bad Batch figuring out what to do, the potential of a Clone Rebellion, etc. Also, limiting the guest characters was appreciated too, and even with the guests used such as Senator Chuchi, they were used to great effect. So yeah, I greatly enjoyed this season and look forward to season 3 (which I suspect could be the final one ends with a plot twist and leaves the next season in so many directions Tech's sacrifice was powerful, moving, and unexpected. I do however think One of my favorite seasons of Star Wars. Everything hit for me and it all paid off in the end Not enough people recognize the incredible character writing we have in star wars now. From season 7 of CW to the end of TBB s2, the squad has evolved so much. Not to mention all the other stories like Mando whose characters have majorly evolved. And of course Andor with its deeply nuanced approach. Some people see star wars as a fun action franchise, which it is, but it is also so much more and should be recognized for that Overall I did enjoy this season, definitely the best of the two so far. I think Season 3 will be great with what they have set up. We got a lot of good character development, emotion, fun stories, new worlds and characters, and a lot of good action. For what this show is on its own following this squad of characters I think they are handled well. I am personally on the side of seeing each episode for what they are and not as "filler" because it didn't follow some main storyline. Each episode follows our Batch even if some might be lesser than others. I am ready for Season 3 though and we'll see if they announce it at Celebration here soon I hope it all comes together in a satisfying third season and maybe a finale Bad batch season 2 is like when it's good, it's GREAT. Crosshair had almost ALL the best episodes and when it was bad it was horrible filler. I'm just surprised the bad batch didn't have an episode where they were doing Sid's laundry or grocery shopping. In my opinion, this show is so disappointing. Why are all of the most important character decisions off-screen? Cody leaves the Empire, Echo leaves the group to go with Rex, and the Batch leaves Cid, all of these are off-screen and irritate me I hope they cut out all those unnecessary filler episodes next season.
I believe the biggest hint to “ who” aided in Gideon’s escape is directly in Captain Teva’s dialogue; “ A fragment of Beskar alloy.” Alloy being the key word. The definition of alloy is a mixture of two different metals. Mandalorians wouldn’t dare lesson the natural strength of pure Beskar. This has Imperial shenanigans written all over it!! Perhaps there is still a diluted group of Mando Imps that wear Imperial Beskar alloy like in the Rebels animated series. Another misguided Saxon relative! I’m just not sure that Thrawn has any motive to carry out Good Ol’ Palp’s cloning plan.
i definitely think the Mandalorians were framed. another youtuber (i’m pretty sure Star Wars Explained) said that it makes absolutely no sense for Mandalorians to just leave a chunk of beskar laying around. they appear to be very protective of it, so they would’ve taken it instead of just leaving it embedded in a wrecked ship. also, considering Mandalorians are trained killers, i highly doubt they would be foolish enough to leave something that so clearly traces right back to them.
All great theories, but here me out... we as fans say "i think, i think i think" so often that hardly can we be right and it inevitably leads to disappointment. Reserve judgement for after episode 8, the show is based off of "chapters" not episodes and isnt meant to be judged until all the storyies have played out together.
With all the references/Easter eggs to Rebels and the up-coming Ahsoka show, what if Sabine Wren (and maybe Ahsoka) broke him out in order to find Thrawn? The dead New Republic guards is a bit off brand for them, but I wouldn't put it past Chopper to commit yet another war crime.
Season 3 has been setting up the Ghost crew in Ashoka throughout, So that Beskar fragment could be Sabine's. Left after they freed Gideon to get information on Thrawn's location.
Empire wearing beskar, they left it behind knowing that the republic won't look for him or care that Mandalorian took him to seek revenge, less paper work
In an interview about season 3 Katie Sackhoff said season 3 will blow your mind. While there have been some cool moments there hasn't been anything particularly mind blowing.
The true question imo is: what destroyed that bescar? Must have been a bescar weapon, right? This would also lead to Thrawn... Maybe two fractions (night owls and Thrawn) wanted Gideon and met at the Shuttle...
If you watch episode 3 when the former imps are discussing Gideon and one of the guys say that they heard that Gideon's escape was a cover story while they hooked him up to a "mind-flayer", Mia Kane's face reacts with a subtle yet definite momentary smirk. It makes me think that the empire was indeed involved in the rescue and she was somehow involved or at least aware of the plans. I do have a hard time swallowing the value of framing the Mandalorians, however, since at this point they are a fractured people without unity, a people without a leader, and a people who are scattered. They don't seem strong enough to be a threat worth framing. Still, that does seem to be the direction the plot is pointing.
Funny that a High Priority Prisioner like Moff Gideon was just transported in a Lamba of all things and not a New Republic Prision ship as seen in previous episodes and No Xwing or frigate escort for a Prisioner Ship just shows the incompetence and stupidity of the New Republic.
it's going to be really stupid if the Republic assumes that the Mandalorians had something to do with the Moff's escape because there is no way they would leave any of that precious valuable to them beskar behind at a crime scene. They cherish that stuff and would not leave it behind under any circumstances
How did Gideon find the time to be a foundling, be hired and rise through the ranks of the ISB?! That's two life times there. Occam's Razor, it was a third party that rescued him.
Two things... It was either a totally different clan of Mandalorians. Or... If Gideon framed Din or Mandalorians they would have a lot of explaining to do, and for some reason that sounds like it wouldn't make sense in the Star Wars universe.
I find it funny a lot of casual watchers are still confused about the helmet rules even tho we watched Bo take off her helmet to eat, for some reason a lot of people think they wear their helmets absolute 24/7. Weird
8:29 in Chapter 6 Din stops Mayfeld from killing the New Republic officer saying “do you know what this will bring down on us?” I think Din knew then what we are about to find out: that the New Republic responds a lot differently when one of their own is killed than if some l pirates or random baddies are attacking member or non-member worlds.
The whistling birds (think that’s what they are called) in Din’s wrist launcher are made from Beskar. The armourer uses left of Beskar from the first piece he gets in the first few eps.
You all forget how simple Star Wars is…they are telling you, that the Mando’s, took him, they took him, it ain’t the thrawn, I wish it was, but , I highly doubt , he cares for that dude
Armor lady is up to something, mark my words fellas
I bet she will fight mando
Y'all terrible at reading body language. Armourer is solid, Bo-Katan is up to something.
Marking your words
I got a feeling the armorer and Bo Katan knew eachother
Yeah I agree I think the armorer and bo are going to do some sneaky side shit.
That transport floating alone in space was a straight homage to the derelict boat in Jaws. Right down to the fragment left by the perpetrator.
What does homage mean, sorry for my bad english grammar by the way?
@@andrjsjan4231it’s basically a reference or a call back to something that happened in the movie Jaws
@@andrjsjan4231 no problem, friend. It's a French word that made it into English. It means, to honor or respect by publicly referencing.
Yep, we need a bigger boat
Looked more more like an Blackwing virus reference
I vote for the Gideon loyalist Mandalorians. It would also explain the red lit mando helmet at the beginning of the show. That's Gideon's mando helmet.
So glad you mentioned that because I do believe it is very significant!
I still just think it was his Beskar alloy droids who saved him... probably Kane on the inside relayed the flight path info back to Thrawn. Gideon had likely been developing these droids and other Beskar materials for Thrawn in the first place.
That’s what I’m thinking too. His dark troopers maybe??
Ummm let's see who has a reputation for working for the empire? Think dude think. I know it's hard for star wars fans to use their brains but just try once. ok?
@@slamovgod Your not thinking at all. You're just copying what he said. Think for yourself please!
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Man i cant wait for thrawn to appear. I would love to see him have the same kind of entrance into the show as negan did in the walking dead. That was a thrilling entrance.
Have him beat pavs brains out and make grogu spaghetti
@@danielhughes5932 Thrawn:" Are we pissin our pants yet?"
@@radhazzard5705 Bet!
we may have already seen him
Thrawn in the mandalorian is stupid. Save it for ahsoka.
4:23 not only did she serve under Gideon, she was on his cruiser when the Mandalorians and Luke took the ship. I’d like to know exactly how she escaped.
She didn’t escape, she was captured and then entered the New Republic’s Amnesty Programme. In fact, she’s one of the members who now sniffs out imperial loyalists, although it’s evident to the viewer that she’s a loyalist herself
I work retail, and "ISB" stands for In-Store Bakery for us and it's plastered over boxes as 'ISB'
Every time someone references the Empire as 'ISB', i have a chuckle at the idea of Moff Gideon baking a loaf of bread lol
In some interview with the whole cast, Giancarlo Esposito said that mof likes mandalorians and wants to be one. So your theory is very close to his words, cannot wait till next episode drops. Thanks for the video Ryan, as always it's great.
Either mandalorians following him or imperials framing mandalorians but probably the night owls
There was no escort? I find that hard to believe.
@@mattt233 Escort got obliterated.
@Five Bros Stop Mos there's not even any remnants of any escort ships. Should have been at least something there if there was fighter escort. And they should be going through hyperspace so the ones who did it had to have interdiction technology.
@@mattt233 It was a derelict, remember. The fighters would have drifted off in completely different directions depending on where they were hit.
@Five Bros Stop Mos They never questioned how it happened though? As I said whoever did it had to have interdiction technology.
The theory that gideon is a mando is actually genius. If you think back to when he and din fought he pretty much goes thru his whole armor/ ammo and tells him everything he already used. He also knows the legend of the saber… this would be a great plot twist. Excited to see how it plays out
He says Beskar alloy, not pure Beskar
I'm sticking with Thrawn being this seasons big bad. It just makes sense, you know? He'll be the big bad in Ahsoka, no better way to introduce him than in The Mandalorian. I guarantee he broke out Gideon, blew up Bo Katans Castle, hired the Pirate, Gorian Shard, to take ownership of Nevarro, to continue work that was done there in Seasons 1 and 2
In S3 Morgan Elsbeth which is believed to be under Thrawn ( army had a chimaera) had the Beskar Spear. So the build up started back then.
Nah, it's too sloppy for Thrawn, it's just Gideon for now.
Even so, the whole season 3 was bad, everything was rushed and the last episode was just a joke. Season 4 no thank you.
@Raven McClaw so I'm guessing your not a star wars fan.
For him to be the big bad of the season Mando would have to confront him by the end and I don't think this will happen but he'll definitely be the mastermind behind everything we've been seeing since S1, will probably be revealed right at the end as a cliffhanger for Ahsoka
In the intro flashes showing Vader with a red hint, R2D2 with a blue hint, ect. The last few episodes have had a mandalorian looking Helmet in red. I think its inductive of a mandalorian antagonist
I'm thinking this entire episode was "the warning" that Thrawn is back and active already. With Ahsoka coming up, and Thrawn being a focus of hers, it's time to introduce him.
Throughout this episode we had specifically highlighted...
All the things going on all over and only a couple people are starting to putting the pieces together
The Empire's work is being done, but it's being done by pirates while the Empire stays hidden in the background so it looks random/unimportant
Gideon broken out so he can be a "returning villain" so the New Republic blames him and doesn't look any further into what's going on. And he stays the big bad for The Mandalorian show
Planted Beskar to turn allies/potential allies against each other before they can become a threat
This is all Thrawn style misdirection and subtle execution.
It's obviously Thrawn.
It better be lol
The Armorer “Beskar weapons are forbidden.” Also the Armorer: fights exclusively with beskar hammers.
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Instead of your "Mandos are space Jews" theory (which is patently absurd by the way), I have determined that no, they are actually analogous to the warrior tribes of Native Americans who were displaced by colonialists. It's a warrior tribe, not a bunch of soft ass Red Sea Pedestrians. Or in your stupid theory are only Abrahamic religions allowed? Do tell.
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How come no one thinks it was sabine wren ? She may be introduced through this plot twist. Maybe she wants to interrogate Gideon to find out where Thrawn and Ezra are.
exactly what I thought, what happened to house Wren. Sabine knows Bo very well so she must be mentioned at some point.
Sabine Wren would never leave New Republic officers dead in space...
The New Republic was the Rebellion that she served with throughout the Rebels series...
Love this theory, Gideon watched Luke melt his dark troopers so makes sense he'd use beskar to perfect them further
how would a group of newly equipped beskar dark troopers free a captive Gideon? The timeline wouldn't make sense starting from Luke's siege
@@synchroPhaze Didnt they say that a couple of years, at least, have passed since his capture? Pretty sure Jon Favreau said that in an interview..
The fact the only thing that can cut beskar is the darksaber makes that part stupid no way could luke kill every darktrooper in one slice.
@@synchroPhaze I never said they would free him. When they showed Phase 3 Dark Troopers they said the last remaining flaw was the human element so they thought making them full machines was the ultimate strategy and type of trooper. After seeing Luke easily cut through a squad of Phase 3s in the S2 finale, it's logical for Gideon to improve the Phase 3s using beskar because it can reflect lightsabers
Don't forget in one of the previous video's he also talks about the red and blue colouring of the helmets during the intro, signifying the good (blue) vs bad/evil (red)... and the last red helmet is a Mandalorian helmet, suggesting there is going to be an evil Mandalorian character or one wearing such armor.
The Armorer: The mere existence of beskar weapons put sall Mandalorians at risk.
Also the Armorer: These Whistling Birds rocket powered beskar homing needles of death are just swell.
Spot on with all of this. I think Thrawn makes his live debut next episode. I bet they reveal him at the very end of the episode. Interesting theory about Gideon having beskar armor... All of this makes sense. I'm pretty sure though that your theory on the First Order pinning the New Republic against the Mandalorians is actually a really good idea.
Also makes me wonder... like where did the Mandalorians and Grogu disappear to in time for the sequels debacle to occur?
Interesting that the armorer said beskar should only be used for armor when in season one she made whistling birds for Djin with the extra beskar he donated.
Dunno if the birds themselves are made of beskar or the launcher. Seems a bit odd to use such a valuable metal for disposable single use darts.
It was Sabine Wren who took Gideon. The clue was the Zeb being around, and the beskar fragment left behind. They took him to help find Thrawn and it'll be more for the Ahsoka show than Mando show.
In a few months you'll read this comment and think to yourself yeah obviously duh, but now you might disagree.
He said “it’s a fragment of beskar ALLOY” armor isn’t an alloy, it should be pure. So my guess is it’s a weapon like the spear, but of lesser purity. It would need to be combined with something for it to break into a chunk like that, pure beskar dents/bends/melts, but doesn’t break
Thank you! I kept overlooking the word alloy and was wondering “how could it break off into the wall like that?” Def not mando-made.
Like the rockets?
There’s definitely a missed “Steve the Pirate from Dodgeball” reference for this video that I fully expect to see next go round.
Thanks for the content brotha. Always good stuff
Can't stop laughing at the slap! Totally laughed through the entire commercial.
I’ve been wondering where Koska Reeves & Axe Woves has been after they ditched Bo…also been wondering where the Mando’s loyal to the empire went as well
Morgan Elsbeth having a Beskar Spear proves there is Beskar not in the hands of Mandolorians. The Armoror said Beskar was only for armor not weapons but in the first season, she clearly make whistling bird weapons from some of the Beskar Mando brought her. There might be other weapons the amorer is conveniently forgetting.
Glad someone else sees this. Seems obvious. Rockets!!!
It’s crazy how one episode can make all the previous episodes good after you know how they all connect, even thought episode 3 was boring af it makes sense why they put it in
This might be the way 😮
The Armorer's helmet has FREAKING HOOORNS!!! Darth Maul kinda horns! I think you nailed it!
How did the armor get chipped off? Isn’t it supposed to be almost invulnerable?
bad writing is how it happened. If Dave of John were around, this ep wouldnt have broken canon.
Fragments could be microscopic as they were detected by the probe droid. It's quite believable that very small microscopic fragments may scrape off or otherwise be flaked off by blaster fire.
You mean there might be a continuity error in Star Wars ? 😂
To be fair, it was described as traces of "beskar alloy", not pure beskar. 😅
In the episode it’s stated as a beskar alloy, not pure beskar
Also it’s a direct jaws reference a little fun ee not “bad writing”
The Empire would probably never want such overpowered robots only to be hacked by their enemy and turn those against them.
6:14 I would to think (or hope the writers think) it's just a Children of the Watch belief, because there is a traditional Mandalorian sword called a Beskad that is made from Beskar. And if you look it up, it is Canon so there are traditional Beskar weapons within Mandalorian culture.
Haha, you said First Order in the probiotic commercial. Good work
I think it could also set up why we don't see any mandalorians in the sequels. Din brings the Children of the Watch out of hiding on Nevarro. Gideon frames the Mandos for his escape and the Children of the Watch get wiped out by the New Republic from above and the empire. I believe the Armorer will only be revealed when she's dying.
I find it hilarious how Beskar is so rare and Din shows up everywhere all dripped out in the cleanest suit of the stuff.
Thank for another great video Ryan ,and doug I always love your theory👍🏽.
@screenCrush What if it is Thrawn? As the Armorer says, Beskar is for Armor now weapons. The spear was a weapon, which was being welded by a group that was using a Chimaera, AKA Thrwan. If it was Thrawn you know he wouldn't have just had one weapon made with it.
I love watching an episode or movie, then seeing that Screencrush posted about it.
Time liine wise the only thing that makes sense is if Moff Giddian was freed right after he was caught, because it'd be beyond moronic to take him to Coruscant then ship him back to a prison in the outer rim. Clearly there'd be a prison in the Galactic Core they could have kept him, or anywhere but a prison near Navaro. Imagine in the old west if they captured a war criminal, shipped them back to Washington DC for a trial, then sent him back to a prison in Wyoming or Nevada where he was they were captured and isn't under Washington's control. Just wouldn't happen.
Along with what you are saying at the end with Moff Gideon maybe being a mandalorian, what if the titles of each episode this season are actually describing him and his journey 👀😱I know its an out there theory, but…
1. The Apostate- He become one when recruited by the empire
2. The Mines of Mandalore- He’s most def been there
3. The Convert- By gaining the dark saber, he’s recognized (by some mandos) as a mandalorian again
4. The Foundling- When he takes Grogu 😢
5. The Pirate- Because he does what he does
I think that if Moff Gideon was taken from the New Republic, it would have probably been the Imperial Remnant and left Beskar on the ship to frame the Mandalorians, which I think would be a neat way to do so because Mandalorians never leave traces of beskar behind.
What if the Beskar found imbeded in the ship was a shard from a projectile? Storm troopers equipped with beskar bullets? Bo Katan unites a massive Mandalorian army and they all get mowed down by beskar bullets. Damn...
I watched Chapter 22 this morning before watching this video. While I think the most likely explanation is that the imperials framed the Mandalorians, I think it's entirely possible that the Night Owls were paid to break Gideon out of prison. That could of course lead to a big conflict between the Night Owls and the Watch in the next 2 episodes.
Ryan is the only human on the planet who gets excited when a dog agrees with Him.
Remember that the helmets in the beginning of each show have red and blue hues - one of the red helmets is a mandalorian helmet - dark side in the bigger picture.
I want an alternate universe where the New Republic is actually good at their job.
You mean a universe where the sequel trilogy (esp. Ep 8 & 9) didn't happen?
Sign me up, please.
Where they don't blindly trust and allow former imperials to manipulate them so easily...
Eh, if that were the case then there'd be far less possibility for interesting stuff to happen.
@@killerlork You could have had a new external threat coming in to challenge the New Republic rather than just remnants of the Empire such as the Yuuzhan Vong, which was a great story that ceased being cannon when Disney took over.
They do, it's the Extended Universe. Read the books and comics, they were a good series.
Seeing there was a Mandalorian helmet in red light (evil) in the opening of the show is probably the clue to what happens next
I don't take much stock in than it just alternates colors while showing all the cool star wars silhouettes imo
When I first saw the shuttle, my brain jumped to the Chiss. But that would be a wholly new concept I don't think they'd introduce. It's one thing to have Thrawn, another to have the whole Ascendancy. My only beef with the thing is that beskar is pretty resilient. I'm trying to think of a scenario in which a fragment of beskar could be left behind.
Mando went thru all that trouble to redeem himself only for Bo to still be able to not wear her helmet 😂😂
I know this mostly a joke, but I see this comment a lot. As if he has been petitioning for Children of the Watch to not have to wear helmets always. Din has grown to have a wider acceptance of what makes a Mandalorian, but he still wants to be part of his tribe. When he put his helmet back on after saying goodbye to Grogu, he didn't take it off again. When he was considered an apostate, he still wore it.
love the channel! always been a fan though today I come as a colaborator. Ok not really but the shot at 4:00 of the zbiotics ad, I shot that! Always cool seeing your work out in wild.
1.gideon is under the command of thrawn.
2.the reason they wiped out the mind of the genetist was because he cloned the mithosaur.
3.the end of ep.21 is a classical thrawn plot, so is mandalore's purge.
4.the attack on mandalore was also plotted by thrawn... plus the fact that it was him who aided grogu to be secluded in order to get...
5.jedis' genetic material to use camino's genetech to clone a proper vessel for the dark side.
6.originally all these were plotted by darth plagueis, who was in charge of the 3 grand admirals.
7. Grogu is the mandalorian of the title... which leads to the hypothesis that mandalore was also a force user maybe a jedi.
8. On top all above this is leading to a dark empire cameo to solve the issue of raise of skywalker on how palpatine claimed to wield all the siths' dark side power.
9.the way is being pirated (altered copied) for the new order's army again a thrawn's plot.
10. The armorer might be under the influence of thrawn... so yes the real villain here is thrawn.😮
Now that Bo has been set on a course to unite her people, it would make total sense to introduce new Mandalorian factions in the show (including antagonistic ones) and that beskar-thing might be our first introdution to that. 😅
I don't really buy the framing theory on the other hand. I mean, the New Republic higher ups know the shuttle transporting Moff Gideon never arrived to its destination and thus they know he escaped his trial but did they find the derelict ship or were they just not able to locate it precisely because of the infiltrated ex-imperial elements within their ranks ? Feels rather cold not to at least recover their own people's dead bodies if they knew where to look. 😅
The point being, was this shuttle supposed to be found by anyone in the first place or was it found because of one very stubborn pilot officer ? If the latter is correct, why waste such a precious material on a surface nobody was going to look at ? 🤔
The night owls were initially a spec ops group within deathwatch. It wasn't until Mal took over that they broke off.
*Cara Dune being killed transporting Gideon would make sense..*
During the episode, The Rescue in Season one, she was the one that basically was keeping Gideon in check after he was captured.
It stands to reason she would personally escort him. Transporting a Moff to await trial is exactly something Special Forces would do.
Lastly, nothing less than a Mandalorian would probably be needed to take her down. Sad to see her go, but killing her off would fuel Dinn to fight Gideon with renewed vengeance.
Whistling Birds are made out of beskar.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the armorer is of the same race is Darth Maul. She does have horns on her helmet. Now all she has to do is pull off her helmet and reveal her horns, bloodshot eyes, chocolate lipstick, sharp teeth, and a big old wart on her chin
50% its the Night Owls that stole the fleet and set out to become mercenaries, 50% its the Dark Troopers.
I think "saved" may be a tragic word for Gideon as he was a) Defeated b) Had his work discredited and destroyed and c) Captured. If he is going back under the Empire control they may have gotten to him just to not let more of his reasearch be lost, but no doubt in my mind he will pay a heavy price for being saved.
I’m sure Gideon could lie and say the saber wasn’t truly won in a dual. That he was ambushed.
Beskar is not for weapons she says but also forges whistling bird dart from beskar. Minor contraction from the armourer there 😁
Mandalorian imperial remnant seems logical.
It makes sense that Gideon would try to setup other Mandalorians but wasn't the case labeled as classified, and they specifically made it a 1 shuttle transport to be easily attacked? If so wouldn't they make it public?
I mean, the scene literally before this one was Bo katan going off to find other mandos.. so we know there are other mandos out there.
Could literally be new characters that'll be introduced season finale or that etc.. could be someone whos acquired beskar.. there was that miner droid/cyborg thing from ep 2
sixteen episodes work together the 2 finale episodes On the whole, I definitely felt this season was not only good but also an excellent improvement over season 1. We got a lot more intriguing stuff such as the phasing out of the Clones, the Bad Batch figuring out what to do, the potential of a Clone Rebellion, etc. Also, limiting the guest characters was appreciated too, and even with the guests used such as Senator Chuchi, they were used to great effect. So yeah, I greatly enjoyed this season and look forward to season 3 (which I suspect could be the final one ends with a plot twist and leaves the next season in so many directions Tech's sacrifice was powerful, moving, and unexpected. I do however think One of my favorite seasons of Star Wars. Everything hit for me and it all paid off in the end Not enough people recognize the incredible character writing we have in star wars now. From season 7 of CW to the end of TBB s2, the squad has evolved so much. Not to mention all the other stories like Mando whose characters have majorly evolved. And of course Andor with its deeply nuanced approach. Some people see star wars as a fun action franchise, which it is, but it is also so much more and should be recognized for that Overall I did enjoy this season, definitely the best of the two so far. I think Season 3 will be great with what they have set up. We got a lot of good character development, emotion, fun stories, new worlds and characters, and a lot of good action. For what this show is on its own following this squad of characters I think they are handled well. I am personally on the side of seeing each episode for what they are and not as "filler" because it didn't follow some main storyline. Each episode follows our Batch even if some might be lesser than others. I am ready for Season 3 though and we'll see if they announce it at Celebration here soon I hope it all comes together in a satisfying third season and maybe a finale Bad batch season 2 is like when it's good, it's GREAT. Crosshair had almost ALL the best episodes and when it was bad it was horrible filler. I'm just surprised the bad batch didn't have an episode where they were doing Sid's laundry or grocery shopping. In my opinion, this show is so disappointing. Why are all of the most important character decisions off-screen? Cody leaves the Empire, Echo leaves the group to go with Rex, and the Batch leaves Cid, all of these are off-screen and irritate me I hope they cut out all those unnecessary filler episodes next season.
The Beskar was left by Sabine. Her and Ashoka have Gideon.
What if Gideon is among the Mandolorians already? Waiting for the right time to take over? Or wipe them out from within.
I believe the biggest hint to “ who” aided in Gideon’s escape is directly in Captain Teva’s dialogue; “ A fragment of Beskar alloy.” Alloy being the key word. The definition of alloy is a mixture of two different metals. Mandalorians wouldn’t dare lesson the natural strength of pure Beskar. This has Imperial shenanigans written all over it!! Perhaps there is still a diluted group of Mando Imps that wear Imperial Beskar alloy like in the
Rebels animated series. Another misguided Saxon relative! I’m just not sure that Thrawn has any motive to carry out Good Ol’ Palp’s cloning plan.
i definitely think the Mandalorians were framed. another youtuber (i’m pretty sure Star Wars Explained) said that it makes absolutely no sense for Mandalorians to just leave a chunk of beskar laying around. they appear to be very protective of it, so they would’ve taken it instead of just leaving it embedded in a wrecked ship. also, considering Mandalorians are trained killers, i highly doubt they would be foolish enough to leave something that so clearly traces right back to them.
All great theories, but here me out... we as fans say "i think, i think i think" so often that hardly can we be right and it inevitably leads to disappointment. Reserve judgement for after episode 8, the show is based off of "chapters" not episodes and isnt meant to be judged until all the storyies have played out together.
With all the references/Easter eggs to Rebels and the up-coming Ahsoka show, what if Sabine Wren (and maybe Ahsoka) broke him out in order to find Thrawn? The dead New Republic guards is a bit off brand for them, but I wouldn't put it past Chopper to commit yet another war crime.
Season 3 has been setting up the Ghost crew in Ashoka throughout, So that Beskar fragment could be Sabine's. Left after they freed Gideon to get information on Thrawn's location.
That scene where he scans the derelict ship was straight out of the opening of Aliens.
Pretty sure Din’s whistling birds were made from beskar
You can't have Besakar Dark Troopers, it's like building full body Stark Armor out of Vibranium.
If Gideon is a Mandalorian then he would be just one more person that the title refers to 😮
Empire wearing beskar, they left it behind knowing that the republic won't look for him or care that Mandalorian took him to seek revenge, less paper work
In an interview about season 3 Katie Sackhoff said season 3 will blow your mind. While there have been some cool moments there hasn't been anything particularly mind blowing.
If he's already wearing Mandalorian armour, he could be hidden in their ranks
The true question imo is: what destroyed that bescar? Must have been a bescar weapon, right? This would also lead to Thrawn...
Maybe two fractions (night owls and Thrawn) wanted Gideon and met at the Shuttle...
I believe Moff Gideon is a Mandalorian himself.
If you watch episode 3 when the former imps are discussing Gideon and one of the guys say that they heard that Gideon's escape was a cover story while they hooked him up to a "mind-flayer", Mia Kane's face reacts with a subtle yet definite momentary smirk. It makes me think that the empire was indeed involved in the rescue and she was somehow involved or at least aware of the plans. I do have a hard time swallowing the value of framing the Mandalorians, however, since at this point they are a fractured people without unity, a people without a leader, and a people who are scattered. They don't seem strong enough to be a threat worth framing. Still, that does seem to be the direction the plot is pointing.
10:25 (Palpatine giggling)
Calling it: Episode 6, we will see Fenn Rau leading the Mandos who took Gideon.
Fenn Rua was protector of Satine. There is no possible reality where Fenn Rau falls to the dark side proverbially speaking.
Thanks Ryan and Doug👍🏼
i'm choosing to believe the armor scrap was a piece of Sabine's armor
Funny that a High Priority Prisioner like Moff Gideon was just transported in a Lamba of all things and not a New Republic Prision ship as seen in previous episodes and No Xwing or frigate escort for a Prisioner Ship just shows the incompetence and stupidity of the New Republic.
it's going to be really stupid if the Republic assumes that the Mandalorians had something to do with the Moff's escape because there is no way they would leave any of that precious valuable to them beskar behind at a crime scene. They cherish that stuff and would not leave it behind under any circumstances
How did Gideon find the time to be a foundling, be hired and rise through the ranks of the ISB?! That's two life times there. Occam's Razor, it was a third party that rescued him.
Two things...
It was either a totally different clan of Mandalorians.
Or... If Gideon framed Din or Mandalorians they would have a lot of explaining to do, and for some reason that sounds like it wouldn't make sense in the Star Wars universe.
I find it funny a lot of casual watchers are still confused about the helmet rules even tho we watched Bo take off her helmet to eat, for some reason a lot of people think they wear their helmets absolute 24/7. Weird
8:29 in Chapter 6 Din stops Mayfeld from killing the New Republic officer saying “do you know what this will bring down on us?” I think Din knew then what we are about to find out: that the New Republic responds a lot differently when one of their own is killed than if some l pirates or random baddies are attacking member or non-member worlds.
Maybe some Mandos dont like that Den used a beskar weapon in the duel and still recognize Moff Gideon as the ruler...
Also i remember that in one of the last episodes of the mandalorian din knew who moff was too
The whistling birds (think that’s what they are called) in Din’s wrist launcher are made from Beskar. The armourer uses left of Beskar from the first piece he gets in the first few eps.
Good catch
Thrawn. Elsbeth had an entire spear made of Beskar. Makes sense thrawns underlings would have more beskar.
You all forget how simple Star Wars is…they are telling you, that the Mando’s, took him, they took him, it ain’t the thrawn, I wish it was, but , I highly doubt , he cares for that dude
Surely, after leading the mandos for years, one of the members had to have asked the armorer her name and what house she's from.