Good Enough To Fight The Best: F-4J Phantom II (War Thunder)
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You do need to press the lock button with the HMD once you point it towards the enemy, it doesn't automatically lock it and it works pretty damn well
Wait so we gotta hit the manual “lock” button to make it work? That’s good to know, thanks for the FYI
In my experience it does auto lock. All I have to do is warm up the seeker and the HMD does the rest I’ve never had to lock the signature myself.
@@Starkogi That's simply a lie lmao ur porbably confusing it with the ACM mode because u still need to manually lock it
@@Starkogi Thats not based on experience lol thats just how it works
Welp I knew I was missing something HAHAHAHAHA
I always tought the Aim7E2s were better than 7Fs and i used the 7E2s for everything and thats why i suffered so much
Way back when this plane first came out the 7E2 was better because the 7F's were glitched. Now the 7F is a God missile
the e2s are still better at close ranges against maneuvering targets
@@AverageWTPilot only by a little bit though, and 7f is still pretty good at close ranges
@@bobdole6768 ya, 7f definitely best all around, but in a high speed rush I would take the e2s tho the 7fs would still work 80% of the time
Same hahaha
The F-4J still has one last possible modification up its sleeve and that's the F-4S upgrade. I say modification because it for all intents and purposes would just become an F-4J with wing slats similar to the F-4E/F. This could and would be better implemented as an unlockable module rather than a whole new aircraft, likely making the F-4J/S one of the best Phantoms in the game.
Also 9Ls.
Does the F-4S get any further engine upgrades?
@@Spitflyer I dont think so.
Maybe a whole new jet foldered with f4j. Except these slats it could receive AIM-9L and AIM-7M.
An F-4S with slats, guided air to ground ordinance and AIM-9L would be a fantastic 11.7 before we jump to more modern navy fighters like F-18 and so on imo. It could also maybe work as a high tier squadron vehicle for the US once we get more modern planes. I do think the F-4J should have AIM-9H currently though...
I really hate how the counter measures have that stupid little trap door, it would be cool if it opened and closed but it just looks kinda dumb open all the time.
I don’t mind it as long as it keeps me alive and helps me get kills
F-4J my beloved, still the best for getting RP for me, great bomb load and the HMD makes the IR and SARH missiles pretty good. Nice vid man, keep it up :)
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Does the HMD actually lock radar though? I've never been able to get it to work, no issues with the AIM-9Gs though. Other than they're still AIM-9Gs
You can see the Sparrows do not fair well when targeting someone close to the ground. You can conistantly dodge them simply by flying low.
Any sarh is defeatable with this method
not if it's an f16 or f14 launching them.
@@kingghidorah8106 cap
@@CommanderQc you cannot just dodge a missile by flying low when the enemy is also flying low.
@@kingghidorah8106 Yeah you can.
Played a game with you, think you got shot down early in the match but it was fun seeing your name in the game! Love the content as always!
When fighting the mig29 as someone who has it, it is extremely simple to notch so if you find yourself even at 3km just bank 45 degrees and drop some chaff he won’t be able to flock you even with the HMD in time
I once lost lock when someone was flying directly into me
Nice info
Not at 3km lmao
@@vondalo5504 my bad you can pull this off at minimum 1.5km
no? LMAO you're not notching anything at below 4-5 km while you're hot on the enemy
Regarding the F-14's radar, it slaps, I fly the F-14 in DCS it has some great look down shoot down capabilities, since you can change the elevation bands the radar looks in easily
I’ve heard it saps more energy than most fighter radars
@@Spitflyer
I imagine it would, powering the electronics of fighters has always been a concern especially now with the attempts to reach a new generation of fighters
Sparrows actually don't have any kind of inertial nav, they just keep tracking like all sarhs until the green box COMPLETELY disappears from screen. Irl I believe 7Fs and 7Ms should have some sort of inertial 'memory', atleast a la the R-24Rs currently ingame. AIM-7Ps i believe are the ones to introduce LOAL capability though
I did some extensive (5 mins on Wikipedia) research and it said it picks up radar signatures and then homes in like an IRAAM so one could assume that a planes own radar emissions could “attract” the plane.
It could also be a bug lol
@@Spitflyer Since you were still in ACM mode and the enemy plane was inside the lock square, you were still blasting it with radar energy, even if the radar wasn't locked. That radar energy was still reflecting off the enemy plane, so the AIM-7 could still see it and get a hit.
@@Spitflyer SARH missiles follow whatever object reflects the most radar. So even if the enemy breaks lock, your radar is technically still emitting in their direction which allows the Sparrow to continue tracking.
I looked about and can't find anything about inertial guidance after loss of lock but TIL that the aim-7m is a sparrow with the seeker of a skyflash which is pretty cool, and the Italians had a skyflash-alike called an 'aspire'(I think) which would be cool to see in game.. anyways the missile proxy fuse probably detonates when it gets close enough to the target and if they don't manoeuvre enough after you lose lock then the missile will still be on course to get a hit if you only lose lock a second or two before impact
The 'Aspire' is actually the Aspide and it's already in game for Italy and China, the latter having producer their own copy of it.
The Aim7M has a different seeker to the Skyflash, it just happens to be as capable. This is because the 7M, Aspide and Skyflash all use an inverse monopulse seeker which makes them significantly less susceptible to ground clutter and countermeasures. As far as I know this isn't actually modeled in game though, hence why the Skyflash acts like an Aim7E2.
The camo in the first full match is the default one for the f-4S
The next BR changes got posted. Slight buff for the F-4J, with the F-14 at 11.7 and 12.0 for the MiG-29/F-16. 10.3 games will have the F-4J and MiG-23 as the best planes now, no more F-14’s there. Just have to watch out for those sneaky tornadoes.
True, although the Viggen-C is still 11.0 lol
I was legit thinking wow this is good quality and at the end I was like yoooooo💪 he’s got the big boy parts now😂
with the current updates, I feel as if the F-4J is only good against its constituents who are not paying attention as it gets clapped by AIM-7M's and R-27ER's.
I almost have it spaded but it seems its just fighting airframes that are far more capable than itself. (MiG-29, F-16, F-14)
I've noticed the f-16s and f14s seem to struggle using aim7s when the target is very close to the ground. I see that it miscalculates targets to be much closer to the ground than they are, and most of the time the aim7s usually hit the ground.
All pd radar do this, even spaa radar.
@@andreikivorsky1726 in war thunder*
Multi path interference when using PD radar
Basically radar returns from the ground make the missile think the target is lower than it actually is
Cool review on the f-4j
I like how all 3 of your titles for the f4j vids are basically like "almost disappointing"
This is really great timing, I’m grinding for it rn to use to get the F-14. I think I’ll use it as a shuttle bus for bombs
Its a damn good plane for that, you can get a couple bases killed and then carry tons of missiles as well and get a few player kills too.
Just a heads up on that F-14 grind, if you don’t get it before the br changes then you won’t be able to get it until you unlock rank VIII
@@infinitydweller9675 as long as they don’t up the Price and Crew Cost, it’s all good if it goes to rank 8. I have time and plenty of patience to get the topgun
the last 25% of your videos are always gold 👌
thanks mate :)
what is funny. no one is talking about the sea harrier with the new BR changes. it slaps.
i love my F-4 EJ Kai too ist a so nice Phantom.
I still love it, I just want carrier to take off and land on
i noticed this just now, it has a smiley at the back of the plane
That’s the RWR :)
MAN the kill at the start is actually is own missile blowing him of cause of yours !!!!! AHAHAHAh
My missiles just never hit lol
Now going up is impossible as it's literally 90% uptiers and there are f16's and f14s that will just hit you across the map. The F4j is feeling absolutely useless for me.
Give the f4e a shot, I’ve been playing it a lot and have been getting 3-5 kill games with it; not a bad dog fighter either
It’s gonna be so fun when the F-14 and F-16 get moved up cause now most 11.3s can thrive without a billion 9Ls coming at you from every direction
im thought only the f4j uk had the panels with flates of top and not the american one
I just got the sparrows in this plane. Whenever I get a good radar lock they just shoot strait up. Like is this a bug?
Should I get the new F-4S? I'm thinking of pre-ordering cuz of the skin.
Yea, when I tried the HMD on the F-4J, I couldn’t lock anyone up even if my life depended on it. At the least, the 9G’s still work with the HMD, though I wish I could use the 9H on it, but one can only hope, right?
The info is pretty late now, but with the HMD you got to press your Lock Radar on Target Hotkey for it to even attempt to lock something
Wow top tier is soo fun (you know how this ends)
Hey spit I just got the f4j and I’m having trouble with the radar settings and suck (this is my first top tier plane), it would be great if we could see your radar settings and how to use them. I was also wondering how you can lock automatically. Thanks!
see Tims Variety radar tutorial
If you turn ACM mode on, the radar will automatically lock on whatever you have in front
@@Texas_Engineer_Mike I second this, Tim's variety has the single best radar video on TH-cam hands down
Y>1>6 will turn on a automatic locking mode for whatever is in the square it helps in some situations
14:05 SERPENTINE!
Playing it only 3 days and all i can say is that its super op for an 11.3 br plane, the radar is just so op, that you so easily can lock on planes that fly near ground and from behind, the only downgrade is that you cant dodge fight, but it doesnt matter when you have op missiles
I got a talisman for this thing. It's such a good grinder for the higher BRs. Grinded both F16s in two days. Easy 15K RP per game
How
F-4J's good but she's no EJ Kai :))
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The British F-4J is basically identical to the American one, except it gets no HMD and Skyflashes instead of the 7F.
and it can only carry 4 radar missiles and has spey engines which are better at low altitude and worse up high
and it gets a vulcan instead of the mk11
@@bobdole6768 The F-4J(UK) has the General Electric engines like the American phantom. Only the FGR2 and FG1 have the Spey engines.
Is that much worse?
@@sam8742 I think the Spey engines have more thrust but not too much more. I don’t think the performance of the plane is affected too much but I’m not an expert.
F-14 had the best radar at it's time so it's no surprise that it's really powerful, felt like they spec'd all their points into radars and sparrow flinging. Though I don't know how the F-4J's and F-16's radars compare.
The F-4J’s is much easier to notch and lacks a true PD only having PDV. The F-16’s is not as sophisticated as the F-14’s but much harder to notch.
@@allena5545 Good to know, thanks for the info!
0:17 used to reign as king? Hell no the mig23 mld was king until the f14 and before that the king was the f4e
F4E revisit?
How are you holding those locks? I always seem to lose PD lock around 9 or 10k out
I check the speed. When I’m at speed, less than 500m/s closure rate means the enemy pilot is not flying directly towards me. I pick the targets least likely to notch
@@Spitflyer I’ll pay attention to that more, now I’m having problems trying to lock up with the 14 😂 ACM TWS nothing
I watched him get his own repair cost in a game I was in. He was in the F4J and he didn’t see the AAM from my teammate.
Happens man. Stop talking shit for attention
k. keep me posted
With the Tomcat being pushed up and the rise of Rank VII Prems the F-4J will be less oppressed.
How do u farm the f4j stock? Like I can’t do shit with the basic aim7d
I don’t think there is much you can do. Just go for 9Gs until you can get the 7Fs
@@Spitflyer alright thanks.
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What's your take on the f4f?
A kinda sidegrade to the MiG-21MF
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I played 63 games in it got downtiered maybe twice
This plane is not bad, but why would anyone use it over the F14? The only reason I'd use it is because I have a bug setup with 5 aim7s and 4 aim9gs
no one is using it over the f-14. people are using it to grind the f-14.
Cause I don't have the mental stability to spade the tomcat :(
I’ve been using it over the f-14 recently but that’s just because I’ve wanted to mess around with the HMD and I kind of like the fixed wing simpler radar gameplay a bit more whenever I’m just relaxing.
Also the engines on the f-14 seem to love attracting misses even when basically turning them off and flaring
Do it again in 2024.😊
I am courios how much you will enjoy it now..😂
This game is a pile of monetized, frustrating shit :)
Idk why in war thunder, the performance of all phantoms is so poor in regards to their agility... Gaijin knows best I guess
I don't know.. I just can't fly normally on this thing: too heavy, poor maneuverability at low altitudes and questionable missiles. Mig 21-23 are more competent fighter jets for me
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95% of the time you are in an up tier... and in those matches you are AIM 54 bait. I went through 700k SL the other day working on unlocking the F14A and didn't even dent it. I had one down tier that went rather well. but the other games were all up tier and out of those I got one drone and one player. the radar is absolute garbage comparatively. loses lock all the time and that's when you get lock in the first place. and the 11.7-12.0 planes seem harder to get locked onto in the first place. F4J is in a really weird place... to strong in a down tier, and to weak in an up tier.
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Dangit. 30 seconds in and I disagree already! Lolol Sorry but the Phantom-J vs Mig 23 has not shown the Phantom-J to be "pretty much supreme". My $.02
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How to f4j stock with only a trash ir amm that do nothing . Trash game that only put 11.0 russian downtier
Both of these radars the f14 and f4j and even the f16 the radars are just powerful they aren't balanced the only way to avoid the missle is to knotch and its proof in the video you just show on the su22 that it doesn't work and if these planes launch a missle you die anyways so it's all luck basically and that's not how it should be it removes all skill base. So they need to nerf these radars and allow the knotch to work the f14 shouldn't be able to launch a missle at 15km out and ping you half way across the map or any of these American planes because the russian planes don't do this what so ever what so ever at all!! I'm so sick of air rb currently because all the time grinding to the mig29 just to barely get above 1 kill a game a die to f16 every time is becoming annoying and I despise the American planes currently because of the spammed out nature if I want a 100 percent Sim game I'll play DCS not a simarcade game like war thunder
can you make a vido of F-4ej Kai?
I made one on patch day :)
@@Spitflyer ill chek it thx
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