No One Loves The F-4C Anymore (War Thunder)
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Spit, the missile going for the plane and not the chaff is correct. The sparrow uses a CW seeker, not pulse like the AIM-9C or R-3R. This means it "sees" the doppler effect (I.E. speed difference) in the radar waves coming back at it and guides independently of the radar. In this case the A-5C was still flying towards you, and was still in the radar beam so the missile still went for it. The CW vs Pulse seeker is part of the reason the 530F on the Mirage 2K is so bad, it's pulse, so even if the MTI keeps the radar locked on the plane, the missile goes straight for the chaff since it can't differentiate speeds like a CW seeker does.
Came here to say this. So long as they stay within about 10-15 degrees of the chaff they dropped, they'll still be illuminated by the radar.
You just blew my mind. I have gotten SEVERAL kills with the F-4C where my radar has locked chaff, but I maintain the lock and suddenly he's dead. Had no idea that's what was going on. Thank you for this comment! EDIT: I should also note that I guess this works with friendlies too! I have had the missile halfway between me and an enemy, and suddenly the radar is locking up a friendly plane. If I maintain the lock it still tracks the enemy.
@@Doberman300 yup, they have to reduce the speed difference with the plane (so notching or going cold) for the chaff to take effect
I guess I’ve learned something new today. That’s sick!
Basically, the radar is the "flashlight" illuminating everything, but the missile guides itself to what it wants to hit.
I knew vulcan damage falling off recently wasn't all in my head.
I though it was my shcizo all again
Seems like they nerfed all american 20mm guns - thats sad
@@iggy377 well maybe that will finally get them to fix ADENs while they're at it
@@Callsign_Merkava yeh gaijin nerfed the Vulcan and anm3 cannons. Lowered the explosive mass
yah lame
I used to love the f100 it was real nice when you would fight the mig 19s and hunters, chinese mig 17 and mig 17as. But now its a nightmare to even look at the plane. battle rating changes are so silly with these modern vehicles.
ki-200 faces su-25 komrad)
@@cloroxbleach9222 Thats why no one plays it :(
Meanwhile : imma using ki200,me163 to 9.3
Blyat you don’t remember when the f4c fought the su25 in the hills of Hanoi 1965? Clearly you missed history comrade. Jokes aside, we really need a historical BR range or something to fix this bs br range
I remember this being the most OP Aircraft of the game when Mighty Mouse Rockets could kill bases in seconds… and whole Teams of F4C‘s rushed all the bases and killed the airfield right after takeoff every game 😂
Better whole teams of Phantoms than whole teams of A-10s and A-6s
then they removed the ability to destroy airfields in most maps instead of just making them stronger or further away 😔
"You can dogfight everything except the F-5C, A-10, Su-25 and MiG-23"
Damn bro, so this plane is useless against 90% of the matchmaker?
Yes
@@andrewyoung4473 I hope you made the gigachad face while writing this comment
Yup. Good luck
There was a “fix” 1 or 2 months ago where mass values for a lot of bullets got changed. The Vulcan and AN-M3 were amongst some of the guns that got nerfed quite big time
If you play with a f4u-1c and a f4u-4b you can most certainly notice it. The AN-M2 have a lot more 1tap ability than the AN-M3
@@nicholasjensen8016 yeah i enjoy playing the C over the B because of it
Any cannons which use the US 20mm AN/M3 shells in game are bugged. The HE shells only produce about 2 pieces of fragmentation (compared to dozens on every other 20mm HE shell).
It's been bugged for quite a while but won't get fixed coz there's a bug report mod that refuses to forward any of the bug reports to the devs, saying that the bug reports require historical documents to prove that the HE shells actually produced shrapnel IRL...
Seriously?
I talismanned this a long time ago and ground out the entire F5E & F14 lines, getting the ‘natural’ ace qualifications in the process.
But since A5C and all aspects, I’ve never been able to play it properly anymore which sucks because it’s a great plane
I remeber it used to have aim7E’s as well. Before all these premiums like the su25 and hog this plane was very fun to play. Now u almost always get missiled unless youre super careful
I've given up playing top tier tbh. I'm tired if every game getting out maneuvered by a hog only to get an aim9L up my ass
just use rockets as flares its amazing
it'd be fine if it was every now and then but having to deal with all aspects every single match makes it a pain to use
I have somewhere around 400 battles in the F-4C . In the current matchmaker it is pretty bad . It used to be pretty balances an enjoyable. Let's hope it will be like that again sometime in the future.
I miss the old says when everyone just dogdighted with each other, now air RB is idiot-proof missile spamland.
I love all the f4 variants..they hold a ton of missiles and bombs good for grinding
I like this plane and I play it quite often, specially when I'm bored from everything else. The secret to having a good game with it is taking only 2 sparrows,4 aim 9's, no gun, maximum fuel, side climbing to 6-7km altitude then level flying, picking off targets of opportunity and staying above mach 1.1 at all times.
I personally have it spaded and I can do 0 kill game like I can do 4 kill one. It's no between, I also find that just passing in the fur ball without turning as good result. That's why I find the f4c not super good but not super bad
Got over 2000 kills with it with about 1000 before the Su25 cancer. It’s still quite good if not one of the best 10.0s due to the sheer amount of mussels it can carry. I fly with max fuel (allows for good loiter time with enough ammo to last you all that time without needing to go back to base and waste time) and full missles and fly towards the side at the beginning getting up to 5-6km. The aim7s are great for getting early match kills on climbers or making the team fly low to avoid them. Then I keep flying till I see the su25/a10 players as I know they’re usually on the back foot and come from above/behind them. R60/aim-9L/magics will still be the bane of your existence but If you can avoid being in their range to begin with then it is manageable
Thanks for this info. What is the range of aim-9L? They can reach me from about 5km it seems.
@@nojackingoff 5km ~ if you’re flying towards them or directly above and 3.5-4km~ when flying away or perpendicular to them. Usually they’re at about 2-3 km alt by the time I spot them and I try to be at about 6km alt so that I’m harder to spot and I will still fly for maybe 5-10 seconds pass them to make sure I come from behind and have a low enough angle so the aim9e can pull enough gs
It was super weird when the plane looks like it was destroyed in the first heading, thinking it's just a glitch or a new effect when you get hit, but it's sparks.
Hey hey fellas, did you feel this beautiful piece of history is falling behind in the modern matchmaker? Well boy do I have news for you! Gaijin has officially killed it for good!
This things max repair cost is going up from 7k tooooo……wait for it……..13K! Coincidentally, the F-4E is going from 13K to………12K.
It is now cheaper to fly the F-4E than it is to fly the flareless F-4C….thank you gaijin, very cool!
I grinded the F-14 especially with this plane in two week without any premium stuff.
How did you do it? I want to buy the f4e but I lose money instead of making it with the f4c. Can you give me some tips please?
@@Condiablo71 either do dogfighting in this style shown in the video or go full ham and bomb bases, dropping a full bomb load while bringing a cannon and all missiles should net you about 2.7 tonnes of bombs dropped with two bases dead and a net of 2k research each match with premium, I've been doing the bombing bit and researched both F104s in about 10 hour's time the past two days in preparation for the F16
As nice as it would be to give it the 9G, the issue is thst the 9G is a navy missile while the F-4C is an army plane. Aside from a few missiles like the 9B and the 9L, both air arms tended to keep to themselves, so unfortunately, it wouldn’t be as simple as giving it something it never used, at least if I’m keeping things realistic.
That being said, perhaps giving it the 7E would help a little but really, if they’d just give it flares, it should be good enough to be the missile bus it was meant to be.
Flares would make a MASSIVE difference, but giving it aim9Gs would put it upwards of 10.7 with the German phantoms that have flares & 9Js, so personally I think just the flares (or a flare pod or something on the hard points) & keeping aim7D/aim9E would be perfectly fine
F-4B/N in the 1970s, had a very nice armament with CMs and 9Ds/9Gs
@@hecunt3633 That it does, but alas we’re stuck with the C variant
@@bubblesofthecoast6393 If we got a post-war C/D sub-variant that would be nice. Especially an ANG one with the AN/ALE-44 and better missiles.
@@hecunt3633 At that point though, it would basically be an F4E with no agile eagle or F4J without PD radar, and would have to be at least 10.7, meaning it would get dogged on in top tier, but also shit on players in a downtier. I'd love to see it foldered with the F4C, but as of now i think the BRs are too compressed for it to work well.
My favorite playstyle in the F-4C, back when I used to rock it, was taking two gunpods, one on each wing. No missiles. Can't say why, but it just felt right; ended up pulling at LEAST three kills a game. Granted, if they actually nerfed the vulcan, can't say it would work as effectively as it used to.
protip: uninstall the New 20mm Cannons mod if you're gonna use more than one vulcan :)))
recently for some reason if your plane has a single piece of shrapnel pass through you even if the model is literally still blue it uses the full damaged model
HOW IAM TOPLAY WITH F4C.. Get speed at mach 1.. get altidtude at 7k m. and bomb base.. then go back to base.. its just farmer for mee..
Great plane just need to play it a specific way, climb to 5km get 1-2 radar misile kills get behind the a10s and su25’s kill them and get 3-4 kills per game worked nearly every time
i found that not playing the game was the best way to play the f4c this also works for all vehicles in the game
🧐 Ive been grinding the British tree the past week, specifically I’ve been flying the Jaguar GR.1A and I’ve seen tons of F-4Cs. I haven’t flown the F-4C in Air RB in a long time but my US Ground RB 10.0 line up includes the F-4C as it really shines as a fast CAS option.
Im so glad I bought the F-5C, my first supersonic was the F-104A and I dont think I could've grinded with the F-4C. weak missiles and no countermeasures is hell but at least the F-4C can turn a little, which is unfortunately not enough to dodge R-60s
I *love* the F-4C. I only stopped playing it cuz I got the F-14, and because I was constantly getting killed by pesky Su-25’s and A-5C (10.7 pls). Its overall an incredible plane, and the only issue it has is the lack of flares.
I like the F-4c but due to the fact I keep getting railed (no homo) by wallet warriors, I just equip a bunch of bombs and bomb bases for money
Rank 6 Sweden is in shambles, not on topic but it still sucks I can't grind rank 7 without being uptiered to 10.3 95% of the time
Imagine. Being at 10.0 with no flares, for the most part shit missiles, and then they nerf the only viable thing, the Vulcan
a10 and su25 can go to top tier lol, nothing would change for them, except they would no longer ruin literally all of mid tier jets that dont have flares.
I really feel like the stars aligned for you to have a good game on this thing
Love using this jet for base bombing tasks
Definitely agree with the Vulcan cannon issue, I've been spading the F-104A recently and it just doesn't kill things at all
With all the rank 7 premiums coming, I don't think anyone will again
I do! I play it all the time … great bomb load and decent radar missiles at rank… with low repair cost
I played the F-4C the other day going full performance loadout with 2 sparrows and 4 sidewinders and no gun, mach 1.4 in standard map is fun. I have the missile target drone skin for it which is fitting. If there was a event or battle pass F-4C with countermeasures (just call it F-4D) I would 100% grind it out. Also make that altitude tutorial a tiktok for new players cause seeing the P-47 at 3.7 is just depressing.
I love the F-4C.
F4c is a great base bomber grinder take 750s on outer pylons 1000s on inner and missiles and a gun pod you can kill two bases and have 8 missiles and a gun after
Okay did NO ONE see the velocity changes? Hardly anyone understands that gaijin changed almost all, calibers of machine guns and auto cannons. .50 cals aren't effective beyond 1.5km any more, like literally super sonic jets out run the bullets at more than 1km. Alot of 20mm are hard to aim now because they're slower.
Please guys go check the patch notes and search for velocity changes, im really tired of people acting like its a shadow nerf. Its not, they listed all the new velocities of the guns.
I can barely hit my shots rn, thought I was just a bit too buzzed 💀 tried with my A2D1 and the f4c
I love the plane, it’s just powercreeped to sht these days, flys beautifully and has decent weapons but the gaijin “balance” keeps it dead. Need a historical BR range and a countermeasure pod which the f4c can take
lmao whats that loadout name
Come on dude i just got f4 c today, grinding harder than a slave with my f84b
It’s better than the F-84 just learn the meta and you’ll have fun
I've been really enjoying this plane in GRB and I just unlocked the sparrows. I wish I was better in ARB but that's not really my game mode
Every time I try radar missiles, the enemy either hugs the ground or their radar works and mine doesn't and they nail me first.
I love the F-4C even though I can never get radar lock and I am a missile magnet it's a magnificent plane super fun
Nerfing American 20mm was so unnecessary
Must protect su25 supremacy
i found that stayng low and coming from the side is the best way , going hihg without flares is just suicide , but evreyone has his way of making it work i guess :D
hey Spit, flown the Sea Hawk recently?
I’m not far from this thing and I can’t wait to get into flying it
i love this thing and its bomb loadout, i have researched the entire rank 6 and 7 in a few days with talisman on this
Do you recomend to use it to bomb? I want to make money to buy f4e but i Always die.
@@Condiablo71 the key is not to rush the base.. just go 90° from your runway after take off until you reach like 0.9 mach ten start climbing, climb to like 8km then fly to the other side of the map towards the bases, then do steep dive, cut the throttle, airbrakes and drop the bombs. Just remeber your speed has to be below mach 1 or you wont be able to drop the bombs..
@@Condiablo71 and then the loadout is important to guarantee you can destroy 2 bases in 1 run. first pylon from the left - 1 - the gun, for AI planes and random player encounters, 2 - 3x 1000LB bomb, 3 - 2x aim9E for AI planes, 4 - blank or aam, 5 - aim-7D, 6 -5x 750lb bomb, 7 - aim-7D, 8 - blank or aam, 8 - 2x aim9E, 9 - 3x 1000LB bomb, 10 - 3x 750LB bomb.. then for first base select your 1000LB bombs and drop them all on the first base, then select 750LB bombs and drop them all on the second base. you actually need only 7x750LB to destroy a base I think but in case you miss its better to drop them all at once..
@@nyccoyax3831 ok thank you so much. With that and the talisman I will be able to research a lot?
@@nyccoyax3831 so first I bomb the bases and then I go for the others players?
I have grinded a big chunk of F-15 exp with this plane and the rest with F-4S
Dont know why, but Inlike that anti meta gameplay and the laid back playstyle. Only the MiG-21S is a bit annoyingly to face sometimes.
at 10.7 it's impossible to have fun in.. oh wait..
Spitflyer, I want you to fly out some aircraft that truly suffer. J-35D, Su-17/22, F-4EJ… just to showcase how absolutely horrible the balance truly is.
You could not lock a mig at 1000m altitude but the radar gets a lock on a plane at 300 m,while you look down at the ground(8:00m).😮😮 W t f is that ?!
Please, Spit, review your render settings. The video looks like its upscaled to 4K from 720p. Thanks.
imo I love the f4c.. I normally just climb 25k feet if in uptier ill stay around 17k for no contrails I normally bring 4 aim7 and 4 aim9. those aim7 are really great for such a lowtier the f4 is in. sorry if this didnt make any sense
The F4c is a pretty good fighter. I played more than 1400 games with F4c. It can carry many missiles and has the ability to play bvr. Many players say the F4c should go to 10.3 with Flare fitted, but I disagree. Because the f4c is already an attractive option and powerful enough to enjoy the game. If there is a player who wants an f4c with a flare, he should hope to get an f4d.
Any USA gun is absolute garbage, because any shell (machine gun or cannon) that has HE or I component to it does no damage at all, the key is to use AP belts. They are way more consistent and i personaly have way more success with them. I don't know, if its the best way to do it, but it works for me
If it had flares I would like it because it's a good BR with good armament😅
11:30 You will not be okay 😂 that F-4S will shred you from KMs away with its AIm-7Fs
American 20mms are just trash now, no idea why they nerfed NATO weapons but they have.
Ew nasty non turning F4C
Reject tradition old man
Embrace F16 :)
I'm SO glad I watched till the end. I'm a video game dev and the entire part of the game I've been spearheading, working nights and weekends on, has been scrapped.
I got on played three matches after not playing for four months got for missile kills in three gun kills. It’s fine.
i mean, are you surprised? I loved the f4c but now, it playing against all aspect missiles, there is no way i am gonna play it, after the newest update i might just leave warthunder for a longer period of time if not forever
It and all the other F-4s (German early one as well) need countermeasures, they had countermeasures, so did the F-100.
well, at least you are 10.0
Su-17M2 has 4 R-60s and no countermeasures at 11.0
Aced the su25 and whenever i decide to abuse it in air rb i look for F4Cs coz they can't do shit about those r60M
i like it. its better flying this than something that can see the tomcat
Yet the german f4f is 10.3 then the usa one is 10.0 gets radar missles yet the gemran one doesn't get flares radar missles nor does it get a 10.0 rating
im pretty sure that the f4c actually had chaff and flares later on but gaijin just doesnt add it :/
i guess zunis can suffice tho
F4C needs flares or drop BR otherwise its not very playable anymore
Best jet I have but most painful to use. I have to keep grinding
not having flares is just a death sentence at 10.0, give this plane flares gajin.
how do you get your radar missiles to lock and work that way? WTF...
i tried to play tech tree 9.3 mig and went up against a-10 and yea that was it for dusting off old jets
Why would someone play a 11.0 plane that gets uptier to 12.0
My radar will rarely lock in both modes and when they do, the missile will not track and by that time they are already too close
Best strike fighter in the USA tree. Kinda weird they put it in the Air Force tree though.
Even tho there's F16 and F14
I still want a F4 Phantom
Ahh the good old F-4C, a meh plane with dogshit missiles, but still hard to hate
Is a plane killed by his br but still a good one to bomb and run, most of the time i bomb 4 bases in RB
now that the su27 is getting added, no one will love the f4e either
Ahhh yes plane full of holes but no damage
I love the F-4C, hate the environment it plays in.
Just give it AIM-7Fs and move it up
its a decent base rusher, but a terrible fighter.
saying the f4e is pretty light weight has got to be a joke
just got it myself I find that I do well in it
They should add countermeasures to it, it would be way more played
Or put the F-4D in a carpet on the F-4C like the F-86F and F-86A because the F-4D has better avionics and countermeasures while still being an air force plane not lime the F-4B
@@whiskersthecatboi I would like to see an entry level naval phantom
@@whiskersthecatboi what missiles does the f4D get?
@@TheJamie119 I would assume the e and j
@@taxfraud853 fuck no, give us a late-war B/N at this point
It has the chaff/flare along with the better 9D and later 9G iirc
I laughed at the preset name...
Its pretty dope in tank rb tho
Idk, works well for me still 😅
I love it I just don’t own it
I cant take that plane anywhere
make the phantom great again
BRO I WAS JUST IN A GAME WITG SPIT
I disagree, I like it :)
32 million SL jeez XD
Sadly, the AV-8A is way too capable of bullying F-4Cs with her 9G model AAMs.
At 9.7
With arguably a better P/W-Ratio, (now better) guns, MUCH better AAMs, FLARES, and similar effective dogfighting speeds... with thrust vectoring.
AV-8A is beautiful.