Basic price £36k 😮. That’s £10k more than the MG4 for a more ‘frumpy’ looking car - and that’s before options to bring it to an equivalent spec of the MG4. That is why VW are loosing the plot and they are not selling well. The Tesla also wins hands down over the ID3.
Like I said further down I have an MG4 it is a bad car but unfortunately drives nice. The so many hardware faults but MG will not acknowledge them. I have a fault AC unit which Customer service Coordinator Gary Smart say is a noisy unit as standard and is a feature. Many people have distorted under trays, which MG original said was faulty, but has now changed their mind. Oil leak from the suspension. This is just a few of the many and software worse than original ID3 Please do not get an MG you will regret it
Soo... because YOU don't like the style, you think it should be less expensive....!? ..... AND....if you say it's more expensive than an MG..... you're not comparing an apple with an apple........ .... your criticisms are showing bias! (Tezzler....?!) ...not a good thing....!!
I am am ID3 owner, but I’m realistic that it isn’t the best looking car on the road. I do however think the more traditional car look is better than the odd MG4. I bought mine for 30K for a fairly high spec model which was delivered half way though 2022 (drive the deal price), the current price for my spec is 40k which imo is absolutely insane for this car. VW seriously need to be more realistic with their prices and improve the dealer network. If i could buy a Tesla model 3 for around 3k more which is the current price gap for a similar spec I absolutely would have!
I've had my ID.3 for 3 years in December. At the time I got an incredible deal - was around £26-£27k with a heat pump and with alloys as they had all kind of discounts to clear stock before Christmas plus the government grant was another £3k at the time. For that price it was well worth it but god have I had some issues with it. I can finally say, as of 2 months ago, the car doesn't have any software issues with the 3.2 update. Only took 2 and a half years and really tarnished the whole new car experience I have to say. Personally I would wait a few more years before I considered VW again. The Kona/ Niro with better efficiency and now V2L looks more tempting than ever!
I had one for a couple of months in 2022. You would set the car up as you wanted it (eg; ambient lighting colour and brightness etc) and the next morning its all back to the factor setting! I initially thought it was me as I couldn’t find the save button for each setting in the menus. But it wasn’t me, there is no save button and it was the dodgy software at play. Got rid of it after 2 moths and bought a Diesel car!
@@stevena9305 that is a shame. I've got to say all of the problems I have had have not been due to the electric drive train, only due to crappy VW software and some dubious dealers. The car has not put me off electric, far from it, it is lovely to drive and convenient for me with a driveway to charge on. The car has put me off VW cars for a few years regardless of the drive train. We have a diesel golf as a 2nd car which we rarely use now as it's more expensive to run and feels a bit agricultural to drive compared to electric! I would seriously consider something like an electric Kona or Niro for my next car, they seem to strike a decent balance of price/spec/range
@@mst4314 well despite all that it didn’t actually put me off VW as a brand ( just electric cars for a while) and have been loyal to VAG Group for 20 years. In fact I take delivery of a Tiguan in September and I’m looking forward to that.
I have a Mokka e ultimate. Great car but got it because I'm on Motability and it was a very low advance payment lease. However this is my 2nd one because my original was involved in a 50mph head on collision (drug drivers on my side of the Rd) and it did a fantastic job of protecting us, it even rang the ambulance and police.
I had a test drive today in the MG4 Xpower and was going to go to the VW dealer next door to arrange a test drive of the facelift ID3 - VW haven’t fixed the things that made me return the previous version 1 day into a 3 day test drive. I want to buy a European built EV rather than a Chinese one, but not at such a hugely inflated price to get a very basic car. I won’t be crossing the VW dealerships’ threshold having seen what little they have done to “improve” the ID3
would be interesting to hear of the X power, I got an MG4 (SE - LFP- sept 22), which is far too quick, nevertheless would be good to hear your thoughts! (I was the same as you after 30 years of VAG, but 12 months later, its 100% chinese for ourselfs going forwards)
I never had a problem with the external looks of the ID3, but the internals were cheap, the software was awful and the pricing was difficult to swallow. With the refresh, the interior is marginally less cheap (but still too much glossy black plastic and those stupid haptic buttons) and the software has been upgraded to useable but slow. Sadly for VW the pricing fails to reflect that the EV market has moved on. I just cannot see VW selling many of these when cars such as the MG4 and BYD are£ 7-10k cheaper. VW has done the bare minimum to make the car relevant and then shot themselves in the foot with the pricing.
@@ID.SuperFan-tq8xi it's a rear wheel drive EV, so lots to love... But I'd spend my money elsewhere, either save some cash and get the MG, or spend up and get a Model 3.
When my Mrs bought her 2022 ID3 Pro 58kw back in Feb 22 she paid £29500 for it brand new, order from factory and included in that discount we optioned the heat pump, metalic Stonewash blue paint and safety pack, so just over £3300 discount. She commutes a 110 mile round trip to work in Motherwell from Kinross, so 70% motorway drive. She regularly gets 260+ miles from her battery in summer and 210 in very cold winter. It’s had the Version 2.4 software update and soon to get the new 3.2 v update. An absolute great drive. Very efficient. She took it with me in my Ioniq to John o Groats and stayed at Keiss last summer. On that journey up, around and back, with 4 persons and baggage she averaged 250 miles on a full charge up and down the A9. Software on hers has always been sharp and fast. Just goes to show.
Our 2020 model efficency is pretty terrible get about 150 miles winter about 200 in summer. It does have the 19inch wheels. We did get it for 28k at the time with paint heat pump and alloys though.
@@adz675you my friend might want to get rid of those 19 inch wheels, they are killing your range. For example, on my Mini Cooper electric I swapped out the stock 17 inch wheels for some 15 pound Enkei RPF1 and I am noticing an increase in range and efficiency.
Must admit, been a VW user for 30 years!, but my 170 tiguan sport (58 plate - 1st ever in the country apparently), was starting to get a little tired. VW could only supply an ID3 in 12-24 months, so went next door, got an MG4 in 2 weeks (late sept 22), 10,000 miles later - absolutely no issues what so ever, I think I've saved around 1-2k / pa on fuel alone, plus it does provide V2L so last Dec / Jan., was great as used an extension lead in the evening to run an electric fire in one room rather than oil central heating for the whole house!
It's bizarre because we bought a 2 year old 1st Edition and we don't find any "annoyances" with the haptics, the touch cobtrols or the surfaces. And as for the software, it seems fine and our car is still on version 2.4. I can name one annoyance but other than this we spend our time sitting in the car looking forward, talking, and generally doing what peopke do when on a journey. What we don't do is spend our time whilst on the move playing with the infotainment, fiddling with settings, using the haptics, putting the rear windows down, then up, then down, ... The car is capable, competent, comfortable, efficient, relaible. Our long term aberage (6 months) is 4.2 miles/kWh and up to 5.4kWh just now in the cool English summer of 2023. The 1st gen was not poor. You just expected too much because the car is a VW. This is our first VW but when it comes to replacing the car it will be difficult to buy any other brand now.
I've had VWs all my life - 6 Golfs, Passat, Caravelle etc. I looked forward to the ID.3 coming out. Great Golf replacement, I thought. How wrong and disappointed I was / am with the ID.3. My 1981 1.3 Golf had a nicer interior. Actually, all my Golfs had a nicer interior. And the Fisher Price display? So, I got a Tesla instead. And now, coincidentally we have an MG4 as well. Wouldn't dream of paying £10k more than an MG4 for an ID.3.
You are absolutely right, this is what the ID3 should have been from the start - which is why I bought a Born, and not regretted it 😁. I did price up a new ID3 vs my Born, and it gets VERY expensive very quickly - Born pano roof was less than £1k now on ID3 it's part of £3k pack !!! Over winter averaged 3.5 miles per kw, now getting 4.5 local (10 mile journeys) and 4.2 on mixed motorway journeys (admittedly on the M6 with roadworks and heavy traffic 😂). Just drives like a Volkswagen 😁.
@@willielarsson9651 With v3.1 software you can use "view" buttons on the steering wheel to swipe left to get, current, since charge and long term consumption figures displayed. Which version of the software do you have ?
I bought my ID3 pro in Mar 2023 - never had an issue with it - corners well, holds the road and good acceleration when needed. The software side has locked up once, but it's easy to reset. Range is reasonable even in the winter. It is the first car I have bought in 30 years.
I bought a VW Beatle in 1971. In those days it was a pretty expensive ar compared to Japanese cars like Datsun, Toyota and Mitsubishi. The same as now, these cars were bigger and better equipped but people like me choose VW because of their service network and German quality. I think this is still valid for many buyers.
Just for anyone considering buying. Worth noting the charging speed, efficiency and infotainment software improvements have come to all ID3s via updates. The differences between facelift and pre facelift cars now are confined to the interior materials and exterior aesthetics. Also worth noting you can currently pick up a brand new pre-reg pre facelift car for £30k!
The new prices are pretty wild. I bought the original ID.3 a couple of years ago (58 kWh, more powerful motor) here in France for 31000 euros. Even then it was expensive, but today it would be much more
@@zotter2542 which one? about debating economy: you paid 15-20k additionally just to have ev in your garage, add to that 2-5 k for any serious charging station to have respectable charging at home. otherwise you're bond to commercial charging (which is needed one way or another on longer trips), which is not drastically cheaper than fuel, while prices of electricity are just keep rising. depend on the brand, you're still viable for annual/range service checks to obtain warranty etc etc. add to that battery depletion, and we can now look ice vs ev economy, if is really that much better of it is better at all..
Fair play to Volkswagen for reacting to criticism of the original ID3. It will have cost them money, and screwed up production cycles, but they did it out of necessity. People have expectations from certain brands, and the original wasn't quite there..... 4 miles per kw isn't bad going. VW's biggest problem at this new price is the Kia Niro e, as was pointed out in the video...... Plus there's the MG4. Although the issue of longevity and reliability remains a question with the MG4. It's still too new to tell......
You say nobody can compete with the MG 4? VW can when they want - ID.3 now for sale in China for under $20,000. So VW *CAN* respond to market pressure when pushed.
Now there is nothing wrong with VW ID cars..... except the price. I would buy a Tesla any day - in Denmark I can essentially get a Model Y with the same range and many more features ...
Many more Features? No Radar No Parking Sensor No Matrix Led No Hud No Display at the steering wheel. No working Rain Sensor No working Light Assist No noise insulation No working parking assitance due to Vision only. etc...could add a lot to this list No you can not compare the Teslas with a normal car ...😂
@@josefv-y8m Don't be a hater, you're free to buy a legacy EV, it still benefits both Tesla and Tesla's mission. It's not like the market for fossil cars that EVs can grow into is able to be filled by just one brand. Throw some Nokia EVs in there with Tesla's iPhone EV, their 20 percent global marketshare aspirations are not affected. And keep in mind that legacies such as Mercedes and VW groups will just be re-badging Chinese auto's EV platforms soon to catch up (Xpeng, BYD, Geely, Li Auto, etc iirc), because legacy can't do software. This was confirmed in their recent announcements.
To answer the question I still don’t think this is knocking on the door of Tesla and MG. Yes it’s got better but really would expect VW to have been ahead but MG, Hyundai and Kia just seem to be making better steps forward.
Also the 6 & 7 year warranties on anything from China or Korea make a big difference too never understand why a company like Renault went from a 5 year warranty to a 3 year one.
What is new about this? My Passat GTE dropped from 70k List price to 35 K after 1.5 Years, when I bought it😉...only 35% is birilliant. Buying a new car was and still is a stubid idea.
I have a id3 55kWh for two years as company car so I'm less likely to complain but the only moan for me was the software. Numerous messages that forward assist got displayed but the 3.2 update - done by the dealer as part of z recall as the OTA couldn't be done - solved that issue. Compared to my own private Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh, i like the rear wheel drive, more punch and quieter driving.
When you own a car, do you ever touch the dashboard other to clean it? I don't get the obsession with soft touch materials personally. All the actual touchpoints were soft on the old model. Unfortunately the price has gone up and it isn't the good value it used to be.
Cheap plastic isn’t acceptable on a car which originally went into the high £40ks’ Would you accept that on the bits you didn’t touch in your house? Kitchen, bathroom? Other marques are way better so it’s ultimately a value thing. It’s also just looking at it, this one feels much better to sit in, not just touch. And to be fair, a lot of the touch points were cheap too.
@@ElectricVehicleMan I think I appreciate the ease of cleaning with young kids over the nice feel of soft touch. It probably helps that I bought a base spec ID3 for £26500 two years ago so I wasn't judging as the 40k car it now is. I don't think it is worth the extra cost for the nicer interior but I'm obviously in the minority. I would have to go for the MG4 if I was buying now as VW has increased the cost too much for me now. I could probably get away with the ID2 now that I don't have two huge baby seats so maybe that is an option next time. Your review was spot on though, as a car it really grows on you. Being my first EV I think the initial wow factor got me through the initial downsides you pointed out, and by then it had grown on me. Two years and 25k miles later and I can say it is the best car I have ever had. We have averaged 4.1kwh/m over those miles and the efficiency has definitely improved now we have the latest software. The infotainment is just as snappy as the new one you reviewed.
VW made an effort, but they’re in recovery mode with a poor quality build at launch (relative to their standards for their normal ICE offerings as well as others with their EV). MG are a great market disruptor and I’d go for MG4 over the ID3 any day. Others on a similar price point (Kia Niro EV for example) are so much better in every way. VW (and the old-guard car manufacturers, BMW, Merc etc. ) are behind.
Just had a test drive of the MG4 X-Power having never driven the standard MG4 previously. An excellent car. Full Stop. Chinese brand or not. Very Well equipped. Fun to drive. Spacious. And really well priced. Performance wise, it is off the scale. Almost Tesla M3P! The VW ID3, indeed any VW looks massively overpriced. It is just a very “average to good” car. But charging premium prices. This is improved but so is every other brand. The market is far more competitive and full of choice.
Skoda have a new EV in the development stages. It is to be called the Elroq. It will be smaller than their Enyaq (which is huge!) and will be sort of Yeti/Karoq sized. I've seen the pre production clay blob mock-up, and it looks fresh and sharp. Skoda design seems to be quite sharp with a radical edge at the moment. The Enyaq's interior blows the ID4's away ( I have sat in one). In fact Skoda have 4 or 5 new EV's coming within the next 2 to 3 years.....
You missed the Renault Megane Etech with 60kwh battery, looks better, drives better, Google Head unit, 455l boot space, tons of driver tech, Heated seats & wheel, recycled materials used, 98% recyclable & up to 130kw charging from around 36k too
@@Erikkrols I don't remember them mentioning it tbh, but having driven it & done a u turn down a backroad the turning circle was good as far as i'm concerned. FWD yes, but there's more boot space because of this, and it drives really well & handles beautifully. Its a fantastic all around package with a lot of tech included unlike the VW. Ruling it out is a mistake having driven it, especially considering how much VW are dropping the ball of late all while still charging a premium for their vehicles (I currently drive a VW btw)
How can the ID3 be knocking on Tesla"s door? VW are slowing production because they are NOT selling their BEVs!! Waiting lists have gone from months waiting to "in stock". Plus it is pretty worrying that VW are signing contracts to outscorce BEV production to 4 different Chinese manufacturers.
Still to expensive. Also put customer handling. Daughter called VW dealer for a software update on her ID.3 in June and was given a date in October. (For a car that was meant to have OTA updates!) VW need a good wakeup call.
This is the main concern I have with my Born, 8 months of ownership and there are still software bugs - and no real sign they will fix them. Otherwise it's a really nice car to drive 😁.
The price though, you can see why MG have nailed it 135Kw charge speed on the Trophy £33.500. I do like the ID3 and Born but come on. 77Kwh MG4 coming soon same price as an Xpower.and that is £36,500.
The VW is probably better than it was, however it still falls light years behind the 2018 Tesla Model 3. The standard range M3 will still be more efficient and has the heat pump, pano roof and leather interior included. Tesla model 3 highland is inbound too, so discounts are available for Model 3 at present.
Cracking car. There’s a fair bit to add onto the cost of an ID3 to get anywhere near a similar spec. Having tried the ID3, Cupra Born and MG before going for the Megane I would say my impression of the MG4 was that it is cheap because it is cheap. Old ID3 was silly lead times and a bit boring, Born couldn’t do tow bar or roof bars and a bit dear. Megane has been great in 6 months of ownership, tech is very good and proper buttons, decent boot, stylish
Not quite all vehicles have 100+ kWh charging capacity!! Even today, the Renault Zoe can only take 50 kWh. I don’t mind in the least!! It’s still a daned good car!!
Nice to see the 2 of you working together. Fisker Ocean is really hard to beat. Starts from £36k , has a nice spacious, practical interior,cool design and 270 mil range from the smaller battery.
This car is expensive. Asking more than 40k and then having the nerve to ask 900 for a heat pump and heaven knows what else for this and that kit is taking the wee wee. The small battery car is a city car. Yes it will do long journeys but if you are going on holiday with partner and luggage in all weathers it isn’t good enough. Nobody in their right mind will rely on a single charger which might be duff occupied or iced. Sites with multiple chargers are the future. The trouble is there are not enough of them yet. All this means that the anticipated 200 plus a bit range is a myth. The problem is made worse by only charging to 80% or 90% at a push and not going down below 10% before charging. 150 miles between stops? IMHO a bigger battery is a must. Great video.
I’m guessing you haven’t seen the new Kona yet? Bigger interior, bigger boot. Other thing to consider is the Tesla insurance seems to be way higher than anything else of a similar price. At this price I’d personally be looking at the Kona or Niro… maybe an Enyaq if the infotainment isn’t as buggy as the ID3/my current Octavia…
I agree, I'm 62 with a clean licence and the cheapest I could insure a model 3 LR 2020 was £1200 so I cancelled my order and kept my Kona instead. This is a subject that's never mentioned in car reviews. The early owners of Tesla's will have deep pockets and will be fine with it, but I feel sure it will hit the value later in its life when the cost represents a greater percentage of the purchase price.
@@kevinison5539 The reason Tesla are high insurance is because they are a performance car. They are on a par with a sporty ICE car, but faster, but I agree the insurance is very high. Three times what my Ford Mondeo Titanium was, but it's three times quicker from 0 to 60. I have to do a lot of miles to recoup the cost. On the up side its three times cheaper to do my 2000 mile round trip to France when I go on holiday, and three times less stressful to drive.
Still nothing to beat the load space of the MG estate. I don't care about how fast it will go from the stand - in three seconds. On an average seven mile journey, on a typically clogged up pot-holed bendy British road, how many seconds do you save on the journey?
Er... You don't save any, do you! Normal people don't give a flying toss about rapid 0-60 times, do they! Modern ICE cars are already fast enough for practical purposes... 7 seconds is as much acceleration as most people can be trusted with....!
They should have released this 2-3 years ago… and called it the Mk. 8 Golf, like Renault have done with the Mégane. That would have demonstrated the commitment to electrification that was needed post-dieselgate, not discontinuing the e-Golf and releasing a cheap-feeling sub-brand to avoid cannibalising their ICE sales.
Every review of the ID cars as mentioned how much they hate the window switches in the drivers door. And yet, VW ignores those criticisms and continues to install that two switch configuration. WHY?
This would pull the older end of drivers to the brand, who currently drive and don't want anything "Look at me I drive an EV" .... while they fill up the boot at the garden centre, after a coffee and cake afternoon
It's been designed to attact Golf drivers, virtually the same size and with all the "VW" attributes. It just gets pricey, but with the current interior, it is attractive if you have the money (maybe VW will now be offering discounts on their EVs).
@@louishiggins8881 Makes me think if the "Golf EV" will still be a thing in the future or it get bigger in size ? The old ICE golf will sell well if people still don'e want and EV though 2030 ish
Interesting insight to the ID3 guys. I'm ok with haptic steering wheel controls as I'm used to them in my Golf. You didn't happen to notice if the heating slider controls illuminate?
Don’t buy an MG4, instant regert its cheap and it feels it but worst of all is MGs 7 years warranty is not worth the paper its printed. So many faults. Take my advice avoid the MG is crap
I’ve got a VW Tiguan R Line petrol, a VW fan and used to work for them but wouldn’t touch any of the EV cars they produce with a barge pole as they are so bland and with a pretty crap interior to,just my opinion
There will be a German after market tow hitch, with 1500kg towing capacity, for the ID.3, coming this fall. That would be a huge advantage over the MG4, if you have the need to tow something of course. 😊
Supposedly VW are bringing their ID range to Australia sometime in the future believe next year they start probably with the ID.4 most likely. Not sure I'd have an ID series though due to the software although the ID.4 is good for road tripping from TH-camrs in the US. VW the car for the people just fix their software properly.
But it might well be in 6 or 7 years time, come trade in time. I just traded my 2015 Golf 1.4 petrol in, and got £10200 offered for it....Will an MG4 still be worth the same as an ID 3 of similar age in 7 years time? Something tells me it probably won't......
When are you going to test drive the MG4 X Power ? The one on Chorley MG forecourt never seems to move just took delivery of my Megane E Tech Iconic it doesn’t even have adaptive regeneration which my soul e had disappointed with it no way is it a £43,000 car I thought it came with self parking and massage seats it doesn’t 😢
For me vw are way off the mark Hyundai ionic 5 stole he show, it had more power, better and easier to use controls, separate heat controls, and a lot more power as well as 4x4 , with more range than the 77kwh id3 , for me externally the lack of a uniform single colour boot, and still the same naff infotainment (why we can’t have the bigger info screen even as an option, was a serious bad move , and still a dark interior, give us a match light trim upgrade option. It’s worse in the tour 77kwh because of the lack of glass roof, and still the daft light controls on the wrong side of the wheel, go back to the switch
VW only listened because Cupra made a better car (bulit in the same factory in Germany) which out sold the ID3. I would have the Born over the base Tesla model 3 as the V2 spec has a heads up display plus lots of extras included. The Born looks better than the Tesla or the MG4 and there are so many Tesla's on the road they are as common as Ford Focus's. Lots of MG4 about as well. I would lease instead of buying as ID3 and Born can drop £11k in the first year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have the pre-facelift version and it's acceptable as functional transport for the monthly price we're paying. There are three regular drivers who have different seating positions and we all have the same complaint. The windscreen pillars cause massive blind spots. I don't know how they've done it, but you're completely blind to the right approaching roundabouts and visibility round bends is awful. We all regularly drive other cars without the same problem. I can't see a facelift fixing that and it's nothing to do with being an EV. Really disappointing that a car company can get something so basic so wrong. I also don't like the handling - it seems difficult to place accurately on the road through fast corners. We also have a Model 3. There's no way I'd pay list price for the VW with the Tesla that close in price, even if i have to hold my nose and cover my ears regarding Musk and his opinions...
Pricing and some poor design decisions are still negatives, even on the facelift car. The competition is making inroads and VWs sales are suffering as a result. They need the ID2 fast.
When we will be able to rock up to a charging point, and just..buy some volts, without having to have a dozen apps installed..if an app is involved, then there is one, and only one, and it's connected to the car, not any 3rd party company...this is the only model that users will accept.
@@samwilson2300 Because its better for you to buy something else!Maybe a Ioniq 5 or 6 or a expensiv Mercedes or a Genesis ev 70!The Tesla Y is a very depressing car!
I’m just wondering how much VW are losing on each car. There must be a good reason future VW electric cars will be built in China on a Chinese platform, ie a rebadged Chinese car.
Basic price £36k 😮. That’s £10k more than the MG4 for a more ‘frumpy’ looking car - and that’s before options to bring it to an equivalent spec of the MG4. That is why VW are loosing the plot and they are not selling well. The Tesla also wins hands down over the ID3.
Like I said further down I have an MG4 it is a bad car but unfortunately drives nice. The so many hardware faults but MG will not acknowledge them.
I have a fault AC unit which Customer service Coordinator Gary Smart say is a noisy unit as standard and is a feature.
Many people have distorted under trays, which MG original said was faulty, but has now changed their mind.
Oil leak from the suspension. This is just a few of the many and software worse than original ID3
Please do not get an MG you will regret it
Soo... because YOU don't like the style, you think it should be less expensive....!?
..... AND....if you say it's more expensive than an MG..... you're not comparing an apple with an apple........
.... your criticisms are showing bias! (Tezzler....?!)
...not a good thing....!!
I am am ID3 owner, but I’m realistic that it isn’t the best looking car on the road. I do however think the more traditional car look is better than the odd MG4. I bought mine for 30K for a fairly high spec model which was delivered half way though 2022 (drive the deal price), the current price for my spec is 40k which imo is absolutely insane for this car. VW seriously need to be more realistic with their prices and improve the dealer network. If i could buy a Tesla model 3 for around 3k more which is the current price gap for a similar spec I absolutely would have!
7 year warranty on the MG too .
@@gameofdrones7895 Sell ID3, buy used Model 3 from Tesla 😁
I've had my ID.3 for 3 years in December. At the time I got an incredible deal - was around £26-£27k with a heat pump and with alloys as they had all kind of discounts to clear stock before Christmas plus the government grant was another £3k at the time. For that price it was well worth it but god have I had some issues with it. I can finally say, as of 2 months ago, the car doesn't have any software issues with the 3.2 update. Only took 2 and a half years and really tarnished the whole new car experience I have to say. Personally I would wait a few more years before I considered VW again.
The Kona/ Niro with better efficiency and now V2L looks more tempting than ever!
I had one for a couple of months in 2022. You would set the car up as you wanted it (eg; ambient lighting colour and brightness etc) and the next morning its all back to the factor setting! I initially thought it was me as I couldn’t find the save button for each setting in the menus. But it wasn’t me, there is no save button and it was the dodgy software at play. Got rid of it after 2 moths and bought a Diesel car!
@@stevena9305 that is a shame. I've got to say all of the problems I have had have not been due to the electric drive train, only due to crappy VW software and some dubious dealers.
The car has not put me off electric, far from it, it is lovely to drive and convenient for me with a driveway to charge on. The car has put me off VW cars for a few years regardless of the drive train.
We have a diesel golf as a 2nd car which we rarely use now as it's more expensive to run and feels a bit agricultural to drive compared to electric!
I would seriously consider something like an electric Kona or Niro for my next car, they seem to strike a decent balance of price/spec/range
@@mst4314 well despite all that it didn’t actually put me off VW as a brand ( just electric cars for a while) and have been loyal to VAG Group for 20 years. In fact I take delivery of a Tiguan in September and I’m looking forward to that.
I have a Mokka e ultimate. Great car but got it because I'm on Motability and it was a very low advance payment lease. However this is my 2nd one because my original was involved in a 50mph head on collision (drug drivers on my side of the Rd) and it did a fantastic job of protecting us, it even rang the ambulance and police.
I had a test drive today in the MG4 Xpower and was going to go to the VW dealer next door to arrange a test drive of the facelift ID3 - VW haven’t fixed the things that made me return the previous version 1 day into a 3 day test drive. I want to buy a European built EV rather than a Chinese one, but not at such a hugely inflated price to get a very basic car. I won’t be crossing the VW dealerships’ threshold having seen what little they have done to “improve” the ID3
would be interesting to hear of the X power, I got an MG4 (SE - LFP- sept 22), which is far too quick, nevertheless would be good to hear your thoughts! (I was the same as you after 30 years of VAG, but 12 months later, its 100% chinese for ourselfs going forwards)
China are now far better at building EVs than anyone else.
Best quote of the video. "The software is much more responsive once it warms up!"😂😂
I never had a problem with the external looks of the ID3, but the internals were cheap, the software was awful and the pricing was difficult to swallow.
With the refresh, the interior is marginally less cheap (but still too much glossy black plastic and those stupid haptic buttons) and the software has been upgraded to useable but slow.
Sadly for VW the pricing fails to reflect that the EV market has moved on. I just cannot see VW selling many of these when cars such as the MG4 and BYD are£ 7-10k cheaper.
VW has done the bare minimum to make the car relevant and then shot themselves in the foot with the pricing.
@@garysmith5025reading through the comments, plenty of life-long VW owners have left the brand thanks to the ID3...
@@RacingAnt And many many many new VW owners thanks to the ID.3. Just like me. Love it!
@@ID.SuperFan-tq8xi it's a rear wheel drive EV, so lots to love... But I'd spend my money elsewhere, either save some cash and get the MG, or spend up and get a Model 3.
When my Mrs bought her 2022 ID3 Pro 58kw back in Feb 22 she paid £29500 for it brand new, order from factory and included in that discount we optioned the heat pump, metalic Stonewash blue paint and safety pack, so just over £3300 discount. She commutes a 110 mile round trip to work in Motherwell from Kinross, so 70% motorway drive. She regularly gets 260+ miles from her battery in summer and 210 in very cold winter. It’s had the Version 2.4 software update and soon to get the new 3.2 v update. An absolute great drive. Very efficient. She took it with me in my Ioniq to John o Groats and stayed at Keiss last summer. On that journey up, around and back, with 4 persons and baggage she averaged 250 miles on a full charge up and down the A9. Software on hers has always been sharp and fast. Just goes to show.
Our 2020 model efficency is pretty terrible get about 150 miles winter about 200 in summer. It does have the 19inch wheels. We did get it for 28k at the time with paint heat pump and alloys though.
@@adz675you my friend might want to get rid of those 19 inch wheels, they are killing your range. For example, on my Mini Cooper electric I swapped out the stock 17 inch wheels for some 15 pound Enkei RPF1 and I am noticing an increase in range and efficiency.
Must admit, been a VW user for 30 years!, but my 170 tiguan sport (58 plate - 1st ever in the country apparently), was starting to get a little tired. VW could only supply an ID3 in 12-24 months, so went next door, got an MG4 in 2 weeks (late sept 22), 10,000 miles later - absolutely no issues what so ever, I think I've saved around 1-2k / pa on fuel alone, plus it does provide V2L so last Dec / Jan., was great as used an extension lead in the evening to run an electric fire in one room rather than oil central heating for the whole house!
It's bizarre because we bought a 2 year old 1st Edition and we don't find any "annoyances" with the haptics, the touch cobtrols or the surfaces. And as for the software, it seems fine and our car is still on version 2.4.
I can name one annoyance but other than this we spend our time sitting in the car looking forward, talking, and generally doing what peopke do when on a journey. What we don't do is spend our time whilst on the move playing with the infotainment, fiddling with settings, using the haptics, putting the rear windows down, then up, then down, ...
The car is capable, competent, comfortable, efficient, relaible.
Our long term aberage (6 months) is 4.2 miles/kWh and up to 5.4kWh just now in the cool English summer of 2023.
The 1st gen was not poor. You just expected too much because the car is a VW.
This is our first VW but when it comes to replacing the car it will be difficult to buy any other brand now.
If that’s true, why have VW brought the release of this forward by a year due to feedback?
They’ve admitted this, it’s not just us.
I've had VWs all my life - 6 Golfs, Passat, Caravelle etc. I looked forward to the ID.3 coming out. Great Golf replacement, I thought. How wrong and disappointed I was / am with the ID.3. My 1981 1.3 Golf had a nicer interior. Actually, all my Golfs had a nicer interior. And the Fisher Price display? So, I got a Tesla instead. And now, coincidentally we have an MG4 as well. Wouldn't dream of paying £10k more than an MG4 for an ID.3.
So you work for MG then
@@robuk3723 So, you are stupid, then.
You are absolutely right, this is what the ID3 should have been from the start - which is why I bought a Born, and not regretted it 😁.
I did price up a new ID3 vs my Born, and it gets VERY expensive very quickly - Born pano roof was less than £1k now on ID3 it's part of £3k pack !!!
Over winter averaged 3.5 miles per kw, now getting 4.5 local (10 mile journeys) and 4.2 on mixed motorway journeys (admittedly on the M6 with roadworks and heavy traffic 😂).
Just drives like a Volkswagen 😁.
When’s there not roadworks on the M6?
How do you work out the miles per kw?.I don't see that on my dash
@@willielarsson9651 With v3.1 software you can use "view" buttons on the steering wheel to swipe left to get, current, since charge and long term consumption figures displayed.
Which version of the software do you have ?
@@willielarsson9651change the display with the buttons on the steering wheel
I've seen the VW advert where the old man doesn't twig that he's in an EV. Perhaps his daughter should book him a fitting for a hearing aid?
Maybe he should have gone to Specsavers 😎
I bought my ID3 pro in Mar 2023 - never had an issue with it - corners well, holds the road and good acceleration when needed. The software side has locked up once, but it's easy to reset. Range is reasonable even in the winter. It is the first car I have bought in 30 years.
I bought a VW Beatle in 1971. In those days it was a pretty expensive ar compared to Japanese cars like Datsun, Toyota and Mitsubishi. The same as now, these cars were bigger and better equipped but people like me choose VW because of their service network and German quality. I think this is still valid for many buyers.
Just for anyone considering buying. Worth noting the charging speed, efficiency and infotainment software improvements have come to all ID3s via updates. The differences between facelift and pre facelift cars now are confined to the interior materials and exterior aesthetics. Also worth noting you can currently pick up a brand new pre-reg pre facelift car for £30k!
The prices are not in the right ball park, they are £5k too much across the range. Unless VW sort out their pricing they will continue to struggle
The new prices are pretty wild. I bought the original ID.3 a couple of years ago (58 kWh, more powerful motor) here in France for 31000 euros. Even then it was expensive, but today it would be much more
That's not expensive at all in my opinion. Low costs in maintenance and charging and you have a big battery.
@@zotter2542 shelving 40-45k+ euros for (e) golf is definitely not cheap and we can debate about how low cost ev cars actually are on long run.
@ izoyt Debate all you want. I have been an EV owner for 5 years.
@@zotter2542 which one? about debating economy: you paid 15-20k additionally just to have ev in your garage, add to that 2-5 k for any serious charging station to have respectable charging at home. otherwise you're bond to commercial charging (which is needed one way or another on longer trips), which is not drastically cheaper than fuel, while prices of electricity are just keep rising. depend on the brand, you're still viable for annual/range service checks to obtain warranty etc etc. add to that battery depletion, and we can now look ice vs ev economy, if is really that much better of it is better at all..
I got my ID3 in January of this year with software version 3.2, drove 14.000 km and did not had any problems so far! Great car.
Fair play to Volkswagen for reacting to criticism of the original ID3. It will have cost them money, and screwed up production cycles, but they did it out of necessity. People have expectations from certain brands, and the original wasn't quite there..... 4 miles per kw isn't bad going. VW's biggest problem at this new price is the Kia Niro e, as was pointed out in the video...... Plus there's the MG4. Although the issue of longevity and reliability remains a question with the MG4. It's still too new to tell......
You say nobody can compete with the MG 4? VW can when they want - ID.3 now for sale in China for under $20,000. So VW *CAN* respond to market pressure when pushed.
It's said VW can't make money at €36,000 so the UK price is subsidising china losses
@@adriancarey7848 I would object to my money paying for VW market share in China, were I to buy an EV from VW.
Now there is nothing wrong with VW ID cars..... except the price.
I would buy a Tesla any day - in Denmark I can essentially get a Model Y with the same range and many more features ...
Well.. price and software/ui.
They may be working on fixing that by licensing XPeng's previous gen EV platform now though.
Many more Features?
No Radar
No Parking Sensor
No Matrix Led
No Hud
No Display at the steering wheel.
No working Rain Sensor
No working Light Assist
No noise insulation
No working parking assitance due to Vision only. etc...could add a lot to this list
No you can not compare the Teslas with a normal car ...😂
@@josefv-y8m Don't be a hater, you're free to buy a legacy EV, it still benefits both Tesla and Tesla's mission.
It's not like the market for fossil cars that EVs can grow into is able to be filled by just one brand.
Throw some Nokia EVs in there with Tesla's iPhone EV, their 20 percent global marketshare aspirations are not affected.
And keep in mind that legacies such as Mercedes and VW groups will just be re-badging Chinese auto's EV platforms soon to catch up (Xpeng, BYD, Geely, Li Auto, etc iirc), because legacy can't do software.
This was confirmed in their recent announcements.
To answer the question I still don’t think this is knocking on the door of Tesla and MG. Yes it’s got better but really would expect VW to have been ahead but MG, Hyundai and Kia just seem to be making better steps forward.
Also the 6 & 7 year warranties on anything from China or Korea make a big difference too never understand why a company like Renault went from a 5 year warranty to a 3 year one.
Pro life 58kWh at 12 months old
What is new about this? My Passat GTE dropped from 70k List price to 35 K after 1.5 Years, when I bought it😉...only 35% is birilliant.
Buying a new car was and still is a stubid idea.
I have a id3 55kWh for two years as company car so I'm less likely to complain but the only moan for me was the software. Numerous messages that forward assist got displayed but the 3.2 update - done by the dealer as part of z recall as the OTA couldn't be done - solved that issue.
Compared to my own private Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh, i like the rear wheel drive, more punch and quieter driving.
With its lower starting price the base Volvo EX30 will cause the id3 serious competition I think.
But of course the fact that Volvo is now Chinese owned, might still be a sticking point for some......
@@Brian-om2hh That has been the case for 13 years now and the improved sales figures in that time suggests it is not an issue for most people.
All i'm hearing is don't buy today, wait until they fix/finish the upgrades
Happy with drums, can't see them anyway with aero wheels
When you own a car, do you ever touch the dashboard other to clean it? I don't get the obsession with soft touch materials personally. All the actual touchpoints were soft on the old model. Unfortunately the price has gone up and it isn't the good value it used to be.
Cheap plastic isn’t acceptable on a car which originally went into the high £40ks’
Would you accept that on the bits you didn’t touch in your house? Kitchen, bathroom?
Other marques are way better so it’s ultimately a value thing. It’s also just looking at it, this one feels much better to sit in, not just touch.
And to be fair, a lot of the touch points were cheap too.
@@ElectricVehicleMan I think I appreciate the ease of cleaning with young kids over the nice feel of soft touch. It probably helps that I bought a base spec ID3 for £26500 two years ago so I wasn't judging as the 40k car it now is. I don't think it is worth the extra cost for the nicer interior but I'm obviously in the minority. I would have to go for the MG4 if I was buying now as VW has increased the cost too much for me now. I could probably get away with the ID2 now that I don't have two huge baby seats so maybe that is an option next time.
Your review was spot on though, as a car it really grows on you. Being my first EV I think the initial wow factor got me through the initial downsides you pointed out, and by then it had grown on me. Two years and 25k miles later and I can say it is the best car I have ever had. We have averaged 4.1kwh/m over those miles and the efficiency has definitely improved now we have the latest software. The infotainment is just as snappy as the new one you reviewed.
Honestly I don't think the ID3 is too bad in this regard. It's too expensive, sure, but the plastics don't bother me one bit.
I have an MG4. It is excellent. It is a better car than the VW ID3 and £8,000 cheaper
VW made an effort, but they’re in recovery mode with a poor quality build at launch (relative to their standards for their normal ICE offerings as well as others with their EV). MG are a great market disruptor and I’d go for MG4 over the ID3 any day. Others on a similar price point (Kia Niro EV for example) are so much better in every way. VW (and the old-guard car manufacturers, BMW, Merc etc. ) are behind.
Have to wait and see with Chinese cars... in the long run we should test agaib.
Just had a test drive of the MG4 X-Power having never driven the standard MG4 previously. An excellent car. Full Stop. Chinese brand or not. Very Well equipped. Fun to drive. Spacious. And really well priced. Performance wise, it is off the scale. Almost Tesla M3P! The VW ID3, indeed any VW looks massively overpriced. It is just a very “average to good” car. But charging premium prices. This is improved but so is every other brand. The market is far more competitive and full of choice.
Would be good to see what Skoda can make of this.
Skoda have a new EV in the development stages. It is to be called the Elroq. It will be smaller than their Enyaq (which is huge!) and will be sort of Yeti/Karoq sized. I've seen the pre production clay blob mock-up, and it looks fresh and sharp. Skoda design seems to be quite sharp with a radical edge at the moment. The Enyaq's interior blows the ID4's away ( I have sat in one). In fact Skoda have 4 or 5 new EV's coming within the next 2 to 3 years.....
You missed the Renault Megane Etech with 60kwh battery, looks better, drives better, Google Head unit, 455l boot space, tons of driver tech, Heated seats & wheel, recycled materials used, 98% recyclable & up to 130kw charging from around 36k too
Would you say the range is comparable?
@@C.W. WLTP of 280miles but probably closer to 200 real world. Plenty for 99% of journeys.
Turning circle is not comparable and FWD.
@@Erikkrols I don't remember them mentioning it tbh, but having driven it & done a u turn down a backroad the turning circle was good as far as i'm concerned. FWD yes, but there's more boot space because of this, and it drives really well & handles beautifully. Its a fantastic all around package with a lot of tech included unlike the VW. Ruling it out is a mistake having driven it, especially considering how much VW are dropping the ball of late all while still charging a premium for their vehicles (I currently drive a VW btw)
I think it’s improved no end, but just not quite enough for me!!
I'm glad I bought the MG4. Love it!
How can the ID3 be knocking on Tesla"s door? VW are slowing production because they are NOT selling their BEVs!! Waiting lists have gone from months waiting to "in stock". Plus it is pretty worrying that VW are signing contracts to outscorce BEV production to 4 different Chinese manufacturers.
It was a question, not a statement.
@ElectricVehicleMan Sorry... my error. I tried to watch the whole video. But got tired of how great everything was...
@@mikadavies660hint the question mark at the end of the title is a dead giveaway:-)
Still to expensive. Also put customer handling. Daughter called VW dealer for a software update on her ID.3 in June and was given a date in October. (For a car that was meant to have OTA updates!) VW need a good wakeup call.
This. They 5h@t on early VW EV owners, along with a raft of other issues.
This is the main concern I have with my Born, 8 months of ownership and there are still software bugs - and no real sign they will fix them.
Otherwise it's a really nice car to drive 😁.
The price though, you can see why MG have nailed it 135Kw charge speed on the Trophy £33.500. I do like the ID3 and Born but come on. 77Kwh MG4 coming soon same price as an Xpower.and that is £36,500.
Why do car manufacturers insist on making EVs look like EVs and not cars? I miss the e-Golf and the E-Up.
The VW is probably better than it was, however it still falls light years behind the 2018 Tesla Model 3. The standard range M3 will still be more efficient and has the heat pump, pano roof and leather interior included. Tesla model 3 highland is inbound too, so discounts are available for Model 3 at present.
In your comparison you missed the Renault Megane, which I don’t think you have reviewed.
Not for the want for asking renault, believe me.
Send the PR people your review of the second hand Zoe..a very positive story. Then maybe they will let you have a car to try
@@trevorheley1045 They’ve given me others in the past. 🤷♂️ No idea what’s going on.
Cracking car. There’s a fair bit to add onto the cost of an ID3 to get anywhere near a similar spec. Having tried the ID3, Cupra Born and MG before going for the Megane I would say my impression of the MG4 was that it is cheap because it is cheap. Old ID3 was silly lead times and a bit boring, Born couldn’t do tow bar or roof bars and a bit dear. Megane has been great in 6 months of ownership, tech is very good and proper buttons, decent boot, stylish
The awful quality of materials in the old ID3 made me walk away from the showroom. Maybe this facelift model could lure me back
Not quite all vehicles have 100+ kWh charging capacity!! Even today, the Renault Zoe can only take 50 kWh. I don’t mind in the least!! It’s still a daned good car!!
KW
Or kwh per hour
Or in VW parlance kWh/h
The Niro EV has a paltry 77kW max charging
Nice to see the 2 of you working together. Fisker Ocean is really hard to beat. Starts from £36k , has a nice spacious, practical interior,cool design and 270 mil range from the smaller battery.
Watch the limited amount of included safety systems on the Fisker Ocean Sport to get everything is an extra £2500 for the enhanced safety pack.
This car is expensive. Asking more than 40k and then having the nerve to ask 900 for a heat pump and heaven knows what else for this and that kit is taking the wee wee. The small battery car is a city car. Yes it will do long journeys but if you are going on holiday with partner and luggage in all weathers it isn’t good enough. Nobody in their right mind will rely on a single charger which might be duff occupied or iced. Sites with multiple chargers are the future. The trouble is there are not enough of them yet. All this means that the anticipated 200 plus a bit range is a myth. The problem is made worse by only charging to 80% or 90% at a push and not going down below 10% before charging. 150 miles between stops?
IMHO a bigger battery is a must.
Great video.
I’m guessing you haven’t seen the new Kona yet? Bigger interior, bigger boot. Other thing to consider is the Tesla insurance seems to be way higher than anything else of a similar price. At this price I’d personally be looking at the Kona or Niro… maybe an Enyaq if the infotainment isn’t as buggy as the ID3/my current Octavia…
A video on insurance prices for EV’s would be interesting. Tesla insurance costs in particular seem to have been affected disproportionately.
I agree, I'm 62 with a clean licence and the cheapest I could insure a model 3 LR 2020 was £1200 so I cancelled my order and kept my Kona instead. This is a subject that's never mentioned in car reviews. The early owners of Tesla's will have deep pockets and will be fine with it, but I feel sure it will hit the value later in its life when the cost represents a greater percentage of the purchase price.
@@kevinison5539 The reason Tesla are high insurance is because they are a performance car. They are on a par with a sporty ICE car, but faster, but I agree the insurance is very high. Three times what my Ford Mondeo Titanium was, but it's three times quicker from 0 to 60. I have to do a lot of miles to recoup the cost. On the up side its three times cheaper to do my 2000 mile round trip to France when I go on holiday, and three times less stressful to drive.
I still prefer the Cupra Born! The MG4 is well specced but I find it fugly
The Born is an abomination in comparison.
Still nothing to beat the load space of the MG estate. I don't care about how fast it will go from the stand - in three seconds. On an average seven mile journey, on a typically clogged up pot-holed bendy British road, how many seconds do you save on the journey?
Er... You don't save any, do you!
Normal people don't give a flying toss about rapid 0-60 times, do they! Modern ICE cars are already fast enough for practical purposes...
7 seconds is as much acceleration as most people can be trusted with....!
@@andymccabe6712 The traffic-light racers do, but they merely spend longer sitting stationary at the next set!
Who on earth has a 7 mile journey?
Niro arrived yesterday - wouldn't swap it even tho its an odd colour
Didnt you choose it?
They should have released this 2-3 years ago… and called it the Mk. 8 Golf, like Renault have done with the Mégane. That would have demonstrated the commitment to electrification that was needed post-dieselgate, not discontinuing the e-Golf and releasing a cheap-feeling sub-brand to avoid cannibalising their ICE sales.
Every review of the ID cars as mentioned how much they hate the window switches in the drivers door. And yet, VW ignores those criticisms and continues to install that two switch configuration. WHY?
After much deliberation, ill get the MG. The deciding factor was VW scrimping on not including rear window tints like the previous version.
Question. This new or a used id3 for about half the price even with fairly low mileage?
This would pull the older end of drivers to the brand, who currently drive and don't want anything "Look at me I drive an EV" .... while they fill up the boot at the garden centre, after a coffee and cake afternoon
It's been designed to attact Golf drivers, virtually the same size and with all the "VW" attributes. It just gets pricey, but with the current interior, it is attractive if you have the money (maybe VW will now be offering discounts on their EVs).
@@louishiggins8881 Makes me think if the "Golf EV" will still be a thing in the future or it get bigger in size ? The old ICE golf will sell well if people still don'e want and EV though 2030 ish
troy, I don't like it, but tell what wrong with a coffee and a slice of cake in the afternoon?
I can see lots of people moaning about the Mg4.
I really like mine (apart from the LKA).
I just couldn't afford an id3.
And if you could afford it?
Friend of mine works for the AA, and apparently they have lots of problems with MG Evs. Software mainly.
Interesting insight to the ID3 guys. I'm ok with haptic steering wheel controls as I'm used to them in my Golf. You didn't happen to notice if the heating slider controls illuminate?
Next year.
@ElectricVehicleMan 😂😅🤣 by then it will be even more dowdy than it is today.
VW just don't have a clue. Do they?🙄
59 KWh Battery is enough i did 2000 km in an ID 3 Midle of July no problems there Thanks Tesla :)
No way I would buy one of those over an MG4. Absolute joke pricing!
Don’t buy an MG4, instant regert its cheap and it feels it but worst of all is MGs 7 years warranty is not worth the paper its printed. So many faults. Take my advice avoid the MG is crap
@@rickmoz Just wanted to mention, politely, that your post doesn't make sense.
@@t4bs594 that says me right for using Siri dictation. Edited thanks
@@rickmozi guess you work for VW
@@robuk3723 no I have an MG4
My heart sank when you got in, and touch control steering buttons
Anyone else notice the Pause and Play icons respectively on the brake and accelerator pedals?
They were present on the original version nearly 3 years ago.
@@SDK2006b Didn't know that, but I've never seen inside an ID3, so I guess that's why I didn't know.
Cheers! 👍
Just ordered one on lease 8k miles p/a over 2 years for total of £7k, works out cheaper than an MG4.
I’ve got a VW Tiguan R Line petrol, a VW fan and used to work for them but wouldn’t touch any of the EV cars they produce with a barge pole as they are so bland and with a pretty crap interior to,just my opinion
heard somewhere that drum are used for less rolling resitance, not sure if true but make sence
Id.3⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Haptic buttons - instant pass for me. Just got a Kia Niro EV and blown away.
Base model niro has very poor spec though
There will be a German after market tow hitch, with 1500kg towing capacity, for the ID.3, coming this fall. That would be a huge advantage over the MG4, if you have the need to tow something of course. 😊
I think Towbars are an option on the MG, I think I have seen one
ID3 only sold for 16-17K Euro in China, and it is a nice car.
I like this much more than the original one as it looks less gimmicky. However... optional heat pump in 2023??
While it’s not out ye, on paper the Volvo EX30 looks a winner in this segment, even more so than mg4
Supposedly VW are bringing their ID range to Australia sometime in the future believe next year they start probably with the ID.4 most likely. Not sure I'd have an ID series though due to the software although the ID.4 is good for road tripping from TH-camrs in the US. VW the car for the people just fix their software properly.
37k for the base model is ridiculous. It’s not 10k more car than the MG 4
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But it might well be in 6 or 7 years time, come trade in time. I just traded my 2015 Golf 1.4 petrol in, and got £10200 offered for it....Will an MG4 still be worth the same as an ID 3 of similar age in 7 years time? Something tells me it probably won't......
Much better looking car - and it’s a Volkswagen!! It’s going to sell nicely.
Looks like they havnt backlit the buttons, still doesn't look as nice as an egolf inside, theyre not supposed to make it worse!
I have the born and I have no issues with the haptic controls on the steering wheel.
But would prefer the buttons of before.
@@ElectricVehicleMan I think its just something you get used to and therefore dont notice. So I wouldnt say I prefer anything either way.
When are you going to test drive the MG4 X Power ? The one on Chorley MG forecourt never seems to move just took delivery of my Megane E Tech Iconic it doesn’t even have adaptive regeneration which my soul e had disappointed with it no way is it a £43,000 car I thought it came with self parking and massage seats it doesn’t 😢
You mean the pea green one. Lovely looking car.
The main issue they had was the capacitive steering wheel buttons and they have not fixed tthat.
... When you say 'fixed'.....
Presumably, VW don't think there's anything TO fix...!?
.... OR.. they would have changed the buttons!!
It’s not even a competitor for the MG4 😂
Still love my Cupra Born after 16 months 👍
For me vw are way off the mark Hyundai ionic 5 stole he show, it had more power, better and easier to use controls, separate heat controls, and a lot more power as well as 4x4 , with more range than the 77kwh id3 , for me externally the lack of a uniform single colour boot, and still the same naff infotainment (why we can’t have the bigger info screen even as an option, was a serious bad move , and still a dark interior, give us a match light trim upgrade option. It’s worse in the tour 77kwh because of the lack of glass roof, and still the daft light controls on the wrong side of the wheel, go back to the switch
Good review. Thanks.
No heat pump as standard??
VW only listened because Cupra made a better car (bulit in the same factory in Germany) which out sold the ID3. I would have the Born over the base Tesla model 3 as the V2 spec has a heads up display plus lots of extras included. The Born looks better than the Tesla or the MG4 and there are so many Tesla's on the road they are as common as Ford Focus's. Lots of MG4 about as well. I would lease instead of buying as ID3 and Born can drop £11k in the first year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That'll be the ID5 then.. I saw one yesterday on the M1
So for the price of a 2020 tesla long range model 3 direct from Tesla I can get this ??? Nope
Germany's worst fears are coming true: car brands moving production to China
The Electric Viking
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China is a list case!
"sounds like a golf" it does not, the boot feels like a frisbee
....he tested THE DOOR....!
Er..... and wtf does a Frisbee sound like..... !?
We have the pre-facelift version and it's acceptable as functional transport for the monthly price we're paying. There are three regular drivers who have different seating positions and we all have the same complaint. The windscreen pillars cause massive blind spots. I don't know how they've done it, but you're completely blind to the right approaching roundabouts and visibility round bends is awful. We all regularly drive other cars without the same problem. I can't see a facelift fixing that and it's nothing to do with being an EV. Really disappointing that a car company can get something so basic so wrong.
I also don't like the handling - it seems difficult to place accurately on the road through fast corners. We also have a Model 3. There's no way I'd pay list price for the VW with the Tesla that close in price, even if i have to hold my nose and cover my ears regarding Musk and his opinions...
Pricing and some poor design decisions are still negatives, even on the facelift car. The competition is making inroads and VWs sales are suffering as a result. They need the ID2 fast.
Tesla has just brought the new model three base model for £39,990! Wow no contest!
When we will be able to rock up to a charging point, and just..buy some volts, without having to have a dozen apps installed..if an app is involved, then there is one, and only one, and it's connected to the car, not any 3rd party company...this is the only model that users will accept.
Pretty much like this now.
With those on the road prices no wonder VW are reporting no one wants their EVs. Re this one best buy used as value apparently crash after 2 years.
I’ll stick with my m3 Tesla thank you.
Thats very wrong!
@@brunoheggli2888 why
@@samwilson2300 Because its better for you to buy something else!Maybe a Ioniq 5 or 6 or a expensiv Mercedes or a Genesis ev 70!The Tesla Y is a very depressing car!
@@brunoheggli2888 so you have owned one before then?
@@brunoheggli2888 The stuff you write is depressing. The Model Y is fine.
New id.3 or cupra born ? Answered 14:50
I’m just wondering how much VW are losing on each car. There must be a good reason future VW electric cars will be built in China on a Chinese platform, ie a rebadged Chinese car.
OK, a big one...
Should they rename this the Golf?
or the ID2?
or even the ID4?
It's not good enough to be called a Golf, imo.
As the third generation people's car, maybe the ID.3 could be badged as a Beetle. 🤔
@@backwoodsbungalow9674 It's not good enough to be badged as a Beetle. The Beetle is an iconic car, this is not even close, imo.
Brilliant digital dash on the e-Golf 🤣🤣🤣
The platform it's on is too heavy so it's efficiency is not the best. Software has been a massive issue too. I really think VW are in trouble.
VW are still 2 years behind the competition. As you stated, this is what it should have been like 2 years ago. Nuf said.
Does the dash really need to be soft-touch?
For that price yes.
Would you get a cheap feeling kitchen just because you don’t need a nice one?