VW ID.3 WINTER RANGE TEST - A MUST KNOW! | 58kWh Pro Life Performance.
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This week I'm going to see how the far the ID.3 58kWh Pro Life Performance really goes when the weather turns.
Will it get anywhere near is WLTP range of 263 miles?
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Use the centre display: look for the graphic of the car (labelled ‘Vehicle,’) and then select Charging (the top option.)
This will give you a battery percentage.
My range in id3 58 kw at -15 celsius temperature is 260-290 km it depends how fast you drive. Summer range 330-400 km in +20 celsius.
Simple rule for me for a return trip..
1- Start at 100%
2- if you arrive at a destination with more than 60% don't worry about return.
3 - if 50- 60% drive considerably more eco !
4 - plan to charge!
You can access the charging screen you show at the end at any time for battery %, it would be better on the driving screen at all times, but it is always available for you to check.
I’d need a change of trousers with what you had left😵💫🙄👍🏼
You're a good presenter, very watchable indeed, thank you.
If you use ABRP and feed it with live data from an OBD dongle, it will predict the consumption and range based on the route (elevation, speed, etc) and weather (temperature, wind, with the Pro version), rather than just give some guesstimate based on previous consumption like the car does. Ultimately, the car should do this by itself, but until that happens: ABRP is the way to go.
Great review. AJ
Good overview of battery performance - Thanks 🚗
I think although new EV drivers may want to “know” how many miles they have left, as you say, after owning an EV for a while, % is far more useful. As far as seasonal range is concerned, between the worst and best I’ve had on the exact same 150 mile (up to Lincs coincidentally) journey in a BMW i3, it’s closer to 30% in total for me. This is with adaptive cc set to 70 and approx 75% of the journey on motorways. We are talking close to freezing, rain, very wet roads, some headwind etc, but still, that 30% difference may come as a big surprise to anyone who bought an EV in the Summer and is used to optimum range.
My worst case with ICE on 500km is, that usually I arrive with 1/4 of tank, but once there was super strong wind and I was empty 100km before 😂 I still can't comprehend how that happened.
Another useful vid. Looking at the 58kwh version when my egolf lease is up later this year. Keep up the good work mate 🙂
Great video, and just subscribed on the back of it. My ID3 Life Pro Performance arrives March, and will be our first EV. Videos like this really help so thank you,
To say this is pretty impressive 👍🏿
I really love that car.🙏🏽I wish they would give us a chance at it here in the U.S. it would come in handy for my city driving. 😭🤦🏾♀️ Great content as well good job. 🙂👍🏾
Nice video, first of yours I've seen. I've had an ID.4 for nearly a year and love it... apart from the software! It's improving slowly but OTA updates which were promised every 3 months have been scarce (only had 1 since delivery). On a 4 year lease, so unless VW get it right I'll be looking elsewhere in 3 yes.
Great content, I have a company car on order so this has helped
Excellent video - really informative. Agree 100% about Charger Anxiety being a better description than range anxiety. I was seriously considering an EV (I went hybrid in the end) and I was obsessively checking Zap Map to see how many chargers were actually working and where they are. Petrol station type availability with chargers then I'd make the transition - I won't be changing cars for another 3 years at least so it will be interesting to see what the situation is then.
ID.3 💖
This was a very informative video! Thanks for the test. I'm glad you didnt get stranded somewhere on the road.
Glad you liked it!
I’m finding very similar effects in my 64kWh e-Niro. Summer figures generally between 4.2 and 4.8 mi/kWh, 4.4 being the figure at which it’ll achieve the claimed 282 miles. Winter has seen that drop to between 3.5 and 3.8 (depending very much on type of driving, as motorways do so much worse than back roads or urban driving).
I always hated winter just because it’s cold and wet and bloody miserable, but now that it effectively shrinks my “fuel tank” by 15% as well I’ve even more reason to loathe the season!
In winter short trips can be worse, if your heating the car for a few miles then letting it go cold again, before returning and doing the same. it can really drag the efficiency down.
Nice one!
Thanks good to listen to you.It is a shame people will have this range of anxiety and we shouldn't have.There is enough to worry about for most people and getting to your destination should be the least of it.The technology has to improve before many people will take the plunge into a E.V Charging points where they are positioned and availability.
What a beautyfull car you have!
You can se % in the "entertainment" screen - under vehicle :D You will get % with the update 3.0.. Thanks for the review!
Yeah you are absolutely right.👍 Prefer the percentage shown in the instrument cluster behind the wheel all the time. The km/mile guesstimate is after all just that. A guess. Great video keep it up👍👍👍
I’ve just done a 144 mile round trip with 3 people in the car and 4-5c outside, starting with 100% charge (“254 miles”!). And we returned home with ‘47 miles’ left. So I make that realistically around 175 miles possible.
+1 sub, like your style bud. Waiting for my ID3 at the moment, you may not be aware but VW are in a mess with ID3 orders, huge delays, order now and you’ll be waiting a year for delivery. Existing orders keep getting pushed, mine is going to be 6 months longer than originally given 🙄
That was great for me. I live in Lincs and often drive south A1 M11 and i want to go EV.
well done...no flat bed of shame....ha. we have had shocking range in our zoé this winter...bad enough to keep us in our local safe zone only.. pre heating the batttery while on charge at home woukd be a good idea...renault don't really give you enough information to know if that happens... your id3 looks nice....it looks bigger ...longer than a golf? enjoyed your film. cheers EV fellow driver.
Did you consider turning off the climate control? Welcome home and thanks for the great video
When your driving home, usually the last bit is with lower speeds. Since the range estimate is using the consumption you had on the freeway, you can add ten or twenty miles to the estimate. Like when you had 60 in range and also in 60 in distance to go, you probably can get to 80 miles out of it.
A good demonstration of range anxiety! What was not clear was what the wind direction/speed was, which affects almost all cars. At motorway speeds air resistance accounts for about two thirds of the total amount of energy used, with the headwind/tailwind added to road speed, so it can make a big difference. I often do east/west day trips which can be around 10% different in each direction re fuel consumption. Other weather issues affect it too - rainfall, road surface etc - but the wind is the main factor.
Given that air resistance is related to the square of the speed (1/2 mv2), whereas rolling resistance is related only to the ground speed, slowing down a bit can have a useful effect when you’re running short of energy, either in the tank or in a battery.
battery percentage in the instrument cluster is coming in the spring in Software Version 3.0 (currently on 2.3), You can however get the battery percentage whenever you want through the main screen in the Charging settings screen.
Another very interesting video, Steve. Thanks. But . . . I've never forgotten your dad's 'review' of the Tesla (absolutely hilarious) and got quite excited when you mentioned you were on your way to see him. This is going to be a classic, I thought to myself, until I eventually realised he wasn't even going to be given a cameo role. Disappointed doesn't even begin to describe how I'm feeling now 😢. How could you do this to us, Steve? Really? And I thought you were one of the good guys . . . 😭. Just a bit of fun, Steve - and thanks for another really enjoyable EV video. Cheers!
Haha, you’re right, I did think about including him, I will next time 😂.
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I've owned an ID3 for about 9 months now. During the summer the range is great. I charge to 80 % and mostly drive small roads at 80 km/h or below, and can get over 400 km. On rare motorway runs I'd say closer to 250 km. However, the winter range is perhaps 300 km on slower driving and maybe less than 200 km on highway (again, charged to 80 %). The numbers are estimates, I haven't done a real range test. This is at temperatures of around 0 C, with winter tyres, at somewhat hilly terrain with occasional snow on the road. The car uses quite a bit of energy for the battery heater and especially many short trips in the winter increase the average consumption. The winter range could be better, but it's not too bad.
Thanks for the info! Which is your battery size?
Agree the ID.3 is terrible in the winter even with heatpump. My odo is now over 60000 km counting various stays at the dealer caused by breakdowns and semi breakdowns - last time almost 3 weeks for a new main UI computer to be replaced.
The car is very nice and comfortable also on the highway and the summer range really fine. I don't know how it is possible for VW to do such a terrible job on quality and winter range but they just have.
Now this is my wife's car - i have a model 3 2019 without heatpump. Sure it suffers range loss in the winter but actually at a lower level than the ID.3 and the quality issues i have had now for 2,5 years with the Tesla are fewer and non of them have rendered the car useless.
It will be the last time I buy a VW. There is no German quality or engineering in that car and it is not worth the sticker price.
@@florianbappler7242 58 kWh, the mid-size battery
Steve you are a natural. Move over Clarkson, Tiff (can’t remember his surname) and that chap Wilson (can’t remember his christian name). Enjoyed the video and you should have your own tv program. Top notch. In fact how is that for the name of the show: Top Notch.
Seriously great stuff!
haha, thanks John!
You can't swap to battery percentage in the display yet... what you can do is go into the trip menu to see the percentage. If the temps were below 9c the battery heater does it thing and you will be lucky to reach 3mi/kwh. We probably average 2.6 in winter. The ID3 is much quieter and softer than the model 3 on 18" wheels. Model 3 seems to have mostly road noise though.. smooth road its quite quiet.
That was a bit hairy eh?! But it's really good that the remaining range was accurate and didn't let you down. 😅
We’ve just taken delivery of a few ID3s at work - I must admit I’d be tempted when my Model 3 goes back in a couple of years. However, who knows what the future will bring?! Great vid. That’s very good efficiency given the current temperatures. I’m getting about 280-290 wh/mile in my Model 3 at the mo.
That's about 3.5 miles/kWh to keep the units the same
Thanks for this honest, no unnecessary road footage, range review/discussion. As a 52 kWh Zoe owner over two years, my data is very similar, but lower. Summer, I get 4.1 miles per kwh on local roads between 30 and 60 mph. Winter? Despite heated seats, heated steering wheel and good cabin heat from the heat-pump, it's only 3.5 or less. Increase speed to 70 mph and the range drops, so you feel like the poor relation with a nervous twitch as you fret about having sufficient charge to get there. Not cool! Until they close most petrol stations and/or remove the EV charging dead spots, nationally, I'm loving my ICE Honda Accord at 48 MPG on the motorway. We're in EV Phase One. Phase Two will see bigger range, better batteries with fewer minerals, more reliable, quicker charging points and, heavens above, cheaper EVs as China wipes that smug grin off the insincere face of legacy motor manufacturers. Thanks.
I do think China will rinse us in the west on prices - no way will we get their prices! Looking at Nio and such in Norway, the prices are very high still, even with zero VAT! MG prices are still good, though better if you're a nurse etc, new ZS EV about £7k cheaper than equivalent Niro! But they need to electrify their '3' model etc, for my custom!
Great video, I’m not sure I’d be as brave as you! You can see the battery % on the app or in the car choose “vehicle” then “charging”. Battery % displayed is coming in V3 software. Also, VW tries to keep the traction battery above 13 degrees C so under that you waste energy keeping the battery warm, V3 software lowers this threshold so the car should be better in colder weather (fix not coming until spring 🤦🏻♂️).
@timemachine_194 funny you should say that, my ID3 heats my battery to 13 degrees C someone on the ID3 owners Facebook page shown his only heats to 6 degrees C. Maybe it’s a newer car (Mine is March 2021 build)? Yes we’re all waiting for the service campaign and 2.4 software before we get 3.0 OTA 🤞🏻
How does that affect performance of the batteries? I thought Lithium ion batteries didn't like having a lot of current draw at zero degrees or was that just charging?
@@CED99 You are right. To help with this VW have a “buffer” at zero displayed so your not actually at zero, I think if you drive it until it stops there is still 2kwh’s left in the traction battery. If you drove 100% to zero a lot it wouldn’t be great for the battery but you would still be able to claim on the 8 year warranty if you had any issues.
I understand that battery percentage will be constantly displayed with Software update 3.0 by OTA by VW in the Spring of 2022
Really enjoyed watching this! I’m also really curious what the battery degradation will be like, for example repeating this test when the car is >5/6 years old to see what any range loss will be. Otherwise, really great video! 👍👍
Very little if it has been charged sympathetically. ie charge to 80% unless just setting off on long journey, don't discharge below 20% too often and try and buy an EV with LFP batteries.
They are less energy dense but have much longer cycle life. IMHO if you followed that maxim you are talking about a battery that would have a realistic life of over 500,000 miles, so probably longer than the rest of the car.
Tesla are going back to LFP battery and other manufacturers use them, short range MG ZS and M5 I think but maybe not the newer long range versions. Certainly the yet to be launched Hyundai Ionic 3 and Kia EV 4 will use LFP batteries as will a lot of the Chinese offerings we will see here in time (hopefully). They are 20% to 30% cheaper but more reliable over time. That being said I don't have huge reservations about NMC batteries just know that LFP will last longer.
If your dealer can't tell you the battery chemistry of their vehicles go to another dealer. Hope that helps. In my experience the life of your battery should not be a consideration at all.
Love this guys delivery - I was wondering, when I try and do an economy run I get the best out of my ICE car by driving at around 50-55mph on a run - often with a touch of tailgating trucks haha - shouldnt be too dangerous with adaptive cruise on. I wouldnt normally drive at that speed but published best MPG's always seem to be quoted at that speed. I've not yet seen a review anywhere on an ID3 that trys to try at its most economic speed. Whatever WLTP is supposed to be, surely it should be possible to get close to that figure - however impractical for day to day driving that may be.
@timemachine_194 Ok thats great, thank you - I dont have a problem driving at 56 if necc, and certainly if I need the range - Good to know the WLTP figures are achievable though, most reviewers mock those numbers but usually expect it to do the WLTP MPG whilst trying to check out fast handling, rapid acceleration and heavy braking - it can't happen under those circumstances.
Wltp is a mix of speeds and not all highway. We dont get a wltp highway which would be useful for planning trips. More realistic.
@@anderspersson6134 Oh I see, I did wonder. The review on Battery Life channel mentioned on here was very good though, he was able to get the published figures and a bit more by using mostly steady slower speed. The published ranges are constantly brought into question or seriously discounted in reviews and they refer to WLTP figures "but then in the real world expect....." I imagine a very high proportion of range anxiety will come from people on a fairly long journey, probably dual carriageway/motorway situation - certainly for vehicles capable in theory of 200 miles plus. Round town stuff I imagine is a lot less anxious as its mostly local and probably within couple of miles of a charger if need be. So, if I need to range extend I'm mostly interested on whats the most I can safely wring out of the battery and arrive in a reasonable time - 56mph ish sounds like a reasonable figure, keeps up with trucks legal speed and much better economy than 70
Comfort be damned - always go for the biggest wheels :)
Got 20s on my M3P and definitely worth it!
I do love big wheels! M3LR videos coming soon.
@@SteveJulien sweet - it's good content - thank you!
Whilst it looks poor I do prefer the ride on the m3 lr with aeros over the performance 20s (plus I'm sure I'd kurb them at some point haha)
I think VW must have listened to you. I picked up my id3 a week ago and it has % up all the time now.
Excellent!
Thanks for being honest Steve. 198 miles is a hell of a lot less than 263 miles, yes I know winter but as you said 12 degrees. For me that would be worrying.
Percentage display may be coming with v3 of the software which is planned to be released this year!
It is coming in v3 and they suppose to be fixing the battery heater to not be so aggressive so it doesn't heat up the battery even if the car is only going 2 miles down the road wasting a kw or 2, hopefully be out in the next few months.
I have an ID.3 Tour Pro S with 77kWh.
My ‘worst’ performance yet with the batteries was from Fife Ice Arena, after an ice hockey match, to York - at night, temperatures around 1º to 3º Celsius, and with rain in a few places. Total distance: 235 miles.
The WLTP range for my car is 342 miles. I completed the journey with 3% battery left, having driven the last 100 miles with the heaters off and cruising at 60mph on motorways and 50mph on A roads.
Also - I have to agree that it is a joy to drive.
I traded in a Tiguan R for my ID.3, and definitely bought a more comfortable long distance cruiser.
The 170 mile round trip for home matches is an absolute doddle. No need to recharge.
thats pretty impressive with rain and low temps like that. Ive just got my Tour Pro S three weeks ago and its awesome, averaging 270 miles on 100% charge, although the weather has been fairly mild for the time of year.
Love your car videos Steve, keep them coming! What software version do you have on the ID3?
Thanks!
I think it was 2. Something.
There seems to be a common misconception among non EV owners that you need to spend hours charging mid-journey if you run low on juice. In reality I have only ever stopped for 10-15 mins to top up with what I need. The dog is usually grateful too.
100%!
Nice video but for time being will stick with my skoda 1.0 tsi 400 plus miles to a tank full. Returns 50 to 60 mpg.
When more electric cars are on the road you’ll find it harder to charge as you may have to wait, if you had a good plug in hybrid like the rav4
you get over 40 miles on batteries alone good for most everyday travel, and the rav4 is 4wd with a 0 to 60 in 5. 5 seconds
Just found your channel
great video I will go for a ev
next time.i like the seat mii
electric for a city car.
Good choice! I really like our e-Golf, very underrated th-cam.com/play/PLvWIWt_PRaIU-_opZU2BWUgxJ6QjLKvnc.html
I have a 77kwh version I have been getting between 260 to 230 miles range since October real shame as I often use it all and have to charge In the services which costs more than charging at home
Hi Steve, I think this is the first of your vids I've seen and I really enjoyed it. It was full of genuine info and your presenting style is most enjoyable.
One thing that surprised me about the ID 3 though was it's range, in reasonable temps - 190-ish miles from a 54 kw/hr battery seems a bit modest doesn't it ? My MG ZS gives me - in 0° temps - on average 170 watts per kilometer (272 watts per mile, so just under 4 miles per kw). In more mild temps - bought the car last sept so haven't had a summer with her yet - I average 150 watts per kilometer.
Excellent channel. As an EV driver myself, you can bang on till the cows come home about what range you should or shouldn’t get, but you only really know once you’ve put a few real trips under your belt.
I don't have these problems with my Mercedes diesel 😁
Keep on putting out the fumes on the world 🌍 with a
Diesel
Nice car, I’m saving for a Tesla Model 3 LR, when they have the 4680 batteries in them. Else I think charger anxiety’ will drive be insane.
It's the lr isn't too bad in the UK there's not many places you can't go on a full charge and there are plenty of chargers. You learn pretty quickly what works for you some people eek out the full battery others when it dips under 50%. With 3 children wife and luggage heating on and not being careful with my right foot it will do 250 in winter.
hello I 've got id3 's very good car
A wet road will decrease range as you have less friction, also, another big impact is the direction of wind, you’ll be amazed the impact this can have.
Wet roads reduce range as tyres have to do work to "pump" out the water to prevent you from hydroplaning
There is an obsessive focus on long journeys in these tests. Important but I would like to know how far I can go between charges on urban style trips where the majority of my trips are not at high speed. Would also be interesting to compare performance up/down the M1 versus A1 where A1 has lots of roundabouts and slower speed limits in many places than M1 but is a bit shorter when going say Hemel Hempstead to York.
You’re right, not many people document their 30 mile commute for the week for instance.
You’ve given me an idea, fill up Sunday night and see how the week goes! Cheers!
One of the many benefits of becoming an EV driver is how much it improves your ability to do on-the-spot mental arithmetic calculations out of pure necessity.
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I have a Seat Mii EV. It does not display percentage SOC, but rather, remaining range in miles.
It is an ongoing frustration I have with what is a generally good all round car. The only place that shows SOC is in the phone app, which is accurate to…10% 😂
We have a Fiat 500e..the % is shown along with the range permanently.
By the way, here's the thing about "Miles per Kilowatt": If you want to ride an aerodynamic bicycle at 30mph, you will need about 300 watts of output. So if you can sustain it, 1KwH will give you about 3.3 miles. If you have a car that is getting better than 3.3 M/KwH, that is stonkingly good, as the 1.5 ton car is more efficient than the 0.1 ton cyclist.
Ngl I've been debating about an electric car ... My only problem 😅😅 I go on the motorway a fair bit all year round summer or winter
Excellent test showing REAL usage. Did you travel at 70 mph or 60 mph?
Thanks! 70mph on the A1.
@@SteveJulien Hi. Wow thanks at last some one doing REAL driving tests as a lot of range tests are done at 60 miles per hour.
Thank you for your review, here are some general points on loss of range.
1) Like ICE cars, where you cannot get the stated mpg, if you start with that premise, you cannot get the EV range either as the standard range tests are standardized without traffic and only an be used as a comparison between cars.
2) An EV is 3 times more efficient that an ICE car based on "fuel" alone (ie petrol - 30%, battery about 90%). This means that anything that effects range will have 3 times the effect on an EV than it will on an ICE car, since the proportional affect will be against the 90% of the energy used compared with 30% of the energy used.
a) Rain and standing water - will affect ice car about 3-4%, EV about 10%
b) Head wind - depends on the amount of head wind, how brick like your car is, but where an ICE can can easily be effected up to 10%, EV can easily be affected by 30%.
c) Cold - ICE car can loose about 10% around 0 C compared with 18 C, so an EV can loose 30%, though much less if you have a heat pump.
d) Towing - ICE car 15-20% , EV 50-60% loss.
e) Driving like a moron : lots of range loss.
So you see, it is simple and nothing to do with EV's that you loose more range, it is just because EV are fundamentally more efficient that ICE cars that you get more effect on range by anything that works against it.
The ID3 and ID4 would expect to get around 3.5 miles/kWh, that is quite good given the temperature and you should congratulate yourself that (e) does not apply to you.
Finally, range anxiety is not the problem, but charging infrastructure is the problem. We don't think about driving around in a ICE car with less than 100 miles left in the tank since you will know there is a petrol station somewhere. The differences are of course :
1) EV's charge slower than ICE car fueling. So and EV it is best to time the stop to a coffee and pee stop (in which case it is quicker since you have to 2 things in an ICE car one after another, but in an EV you do both at the same time).
2) ICE cars require you to stop at a petrol station, you have no other choice, so you drive until you need fuel. An EV, you generally always start with a "full" tank, so often stop less.
3) If you get stuck in snow - given (2) - you are likely to have quite a lot of "fuel", and 58kWh will last well over 24 hours (probably 36 hours) with enough to get you somewhere. A full tank of petrol will only get you 24 hours if you are lucky, but you are unlikely to have a full tank (see 2), you must keep your exhaust pipe clear (or you can get CO poisoning), and you may flatten your 12V battery if you are not careful. An EV will not flatten the 12V battery - remember that thing called vampire drain - an EV will charge the 12V battery from the traction battery when necessary so you cannot possibly flatten it.
cold temperature has almost zero effect on I.C.E car efficiency. You sound like someone who knows a lot about EV but doesn't know the nuts and bolt of how I.C.E cars work. Almost all modern cars hit almost 40% thermal efficiency, the rest is generated as heat. This keeps the engine temperature high regardless of the outside temp. This heat also captured and run through a heat exchange and into the car interior, basically ICE cars get heat for free. This means that EV's in winter have to use a lot of the thermal efficiency to generate heat and to keep the interior warm. The batteries also need heating. I live in extreme cold and EVs can lose 40% of their range on the worst day and have a shorter lifespan. Heat pumps would be a slight improvement, but are rare and expensive options. Charging rates are limited in cold, fast charging does not work in extreme cold.
@@zacharynope170 you are incorrect and don't understand the thermodynamics of engines. Please read engineering articles on the subject.
@@zacharynope170 increased viscosity of oil
Increased density of cold air
Compensation of air fuel ratio to counteract changes to air input temperature
Increased warm up time
Etc, I find that cited articles get deleted from comments, please kindly read the literatue
In old cars without a mass air flow sensor you got used to the car being a bit lethargic in winter, now the sensor adjusts the fuel Mix to compensate for air density giving you the same power but uses more fuel. Car engines are optimised for around 15 reg c
Hi I have ordered the Id4 52kw pure version for £31000 so a bargain. I hope it turns up in April. I have watched a lot of Id4 reviews and most get 3 pkwh I think it must be because it’s heavier. Have you used the granny lead ? Can a person just use the granny lead to charge their car ? Thank you
Steve what’s the other car on your drive
Hi Steve, I'm a new subscriber, thanks for this excellent video.
Sorry if you have been asked this question before, can you confirm the cost of the run to London and back? Kind regards Danny
Thanks!
I use Octopus Go so it was about £3 in total.
Details of how it works here, although their day rate has gone up.
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Did you charge to 100% before the drive to London?
I drive a school run in a VW Tiguan 2ltr petrol car, 2mils round trip. I wonder what mpg I get?
Good test, but that's too damn close a call for my liking. He's right, you wouldn't even think about it in an ICE car, but in an EV range (or charger) anxiety is very real, even more so on a longer trip you've never done before - you've no idea about chargers, availability, reliability, charging speed etc - you can't just 'go' and not think about it. I also seriously doubt an ID.3 holds a candle to a Tesla Model S, especially with their SuperCharger network.
VW has more know-how in the ride quality department. I tried the top end ID.4 GTX with 299 HP and it absolutely strikes a near perfect balance between dynamics and comfort (with the standard 20" wheels), as opposed to the Tesla Model Y which is a quite harsh ride on anything but perfect roads.
There is no such thing as a perfect balance between dynamics and comfort. It is all personal preference, what is perfect for you might not be perfect for me.
@@whatever-xw8cw Well, I don't think so, It's important to let people know about this, as many order the Model Y without trying it first and get surprised by the harsh ride (not even the performance version).
I'm telling you, Tesla has to up their game, for the long run. In the near term there is a shortage of good EV's and Tesla will have no problems selling all they can produce, but once that shortage is fixed, it could become a problem with so few models and options.
@@curioussand1339 Of course you should be aware of what you are buying, but what is too harsh of a ride for you might be a perfect balance for someone else and vice versa.
By the way, I am not a Tesla fan boy. It is just a general observation.
i do wonder if EV batteries have some kind of safety distance in them which is not common knowledge because I ran my E2008 down to zero returning home and it still got me home without issue or dramas despite showing zero miles (yes I wont be doing that again lol)
Funny !what i know is that batteries under usage (i.e. driving) need to be cooled for optimum performance . Now why in colder seasons that doesn't translate to better performance is beyond me .And the same time.when it is hot to a worst performance since at that time i.e. hot weather there is a need for additional cooling .
I think the battery has its "temperature window" in which it delivers full power, it doesn't like it too cold and it doesn't like it too hot either.
Then 77kWH is where to go then ! I think from what I have read it is possibly more reassuring to opt for the larger battery option if available and pay for the difference in ££ rather nail biting .
If you need the miles and are happy with just 4 seats then the largest battery is a good choice.
I'll stick to my current car and not have to worry about percentages or Kilo- hours, which happens to be a Fiesta Active 1 ltr Turbo with a range when full of fuel of just under 400 miles.
@timemachine_194 Presume you mean Petrol Panic and I have to admit filling my tank to maximum the week before and seeing all the queues of idiots jamming up lines of traffic as they waited to refuel - in fact I know someone made a video outside the very store I was shopping at for food. But I survived as did most folks I know and car sharing is the thing - so no individual journeys and its fun.
It is downhill from the north of England when travelling south.
Going north is up hill. Simples.
Hi Steve, do you drive on D or B? I don't really notice a difference in range.
Hi!
I normally use D for faster roads and B for city driving.
The Toyota Yaris Cross do 100mpg with a 350miles range and a recharge of 2 minutes..
Golf with bigger battery 😭 I just prefer the interior of the golf more. iD looks nice from outside tho
Hit the nail on the head. Needs battery percentage
The best fuel consumption I have had on a journey (2019 VW e-Golf) was in summer and got me over 6 miles per kWh.
The worst was in winter with my son (who insists on a toasty environment) was 2.3 miles per kWh. He has never contributed to the charging costs and only relented when an estimated range of 45 miles plummeted, after he put the heating on, to 20 followed by a warning and the Air Con auto turned off anyway.
If you want a good range, wear a warm jacket.
Is 58kw the usable battery? Or total battery in these id3?
Usable.
Strictly factual content, facts relevant to someone who wants Real Info about using this EV, on those roads, in that weather: Check! Percentage remaining is better than "predicted miles": Check! Charging anxiety not Range anxiety: Check! A car that gets 'only' 200 miles range will be perfectly viable - when the Charging Infrastructure is ubiquitous, reliable, easy to use, and universally pay-by-debit-card. Certainly not the case Up North. For the next several years the only safe full BEV to buy is going to be a Tesla, because they are the only manufacturer that thought about, and solved, the how do you charge it away from home? problem.
Meantime I'm driving a PHEV.
Sold my ID3. This is not winter conditions plus 12. 100% charge I've had 161 miles showing. The car had multiple faults, heat pumps, display random fault's and lock ups. I loved the way the car drive but I'm not paying 30K to be a beta tester.
Absolute trash aren't they! Mine is going due to faults and terrible range in winter
I think range should be taken with a pinch of salt. Tested on rollers with no wind resistance. No wipers . No radio. No lights.... in real life in winter
£20000 dearer than my wifes new petrol Polo which on a similar run would average 60mpg
I have to agree. The current Polos are very nice. My wife also has one (with DSG on account of her arthritis). At the price, it's a really good car, and an nice drive too.
You can get a 200bhp 58kwh ID3 Life model for £30k. It comes with lots of standard kit.
Where did the 60 miles of range go? It was charged to 100%.
Ha, No matter if you have it as mile left or percentage left, you still had the most stressful and unpleasant drive because the range is really not up to what is needed in the varied uses we want most of our cars for.
OK they most often go 3 miles down the road but then they also need to take us to France or go somewhere 100 miles away.
My car flags up when I have 50 miles left in the tank, that is after it has gone 600 miles. When an EV does that I will get one!!
The car has gone from being a way to travel to worry about travel. Will it make it can I charge it. I realise this is a test review but things need to improve in all ways
7:35 *Mercedes [W247] 2019 B200 CDi AMG Class - 85.6 mpg over 108 Miles at average speed of 53 mph - A46/M1/A14 Journey - say no more - Range Anxiety NIL - Comfort 100% !*
Would i be right in thinking that most people who have paid vast amounts of cash for a battery car would only be using it in their local vicinity.
Charging anxiety! Dead right. For those of us with no possibility of home charging, and a pathetically inadequate / unreliable public network EVs just aren’t a realistic option.
Great video but tbh this did nothing whatsoever to persuade me to buy an EV! My range anxiety nerves just couldn’t take it. petrol or diesel for me or even a hybrid until I can no longer buy one or charging an EV gets down to the same time as filling a petrol or diesel tank or there is a charging station around every corner.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Flatbed of shame 😂