My calculations for the price for 100 km are totally wrong. Since I didn't charge back to 76% But it still shows the correct difference between the plans.
Is there any reasonable plan in Germany for foreigners without address in Germany for short term, but long haul trips? Something without contract or with contract that you can pre-pay only for a month and then cancel? Prices with WeCharge Free are insane, trip would cost 50% more then with Toyota HEV (petrol 6.5-7 L / 100 km at 130-140 km /h).
@@typxxilps What price would you propose for hyperfast charging? You're paying for the convenience of charging speed and the locations etc. You won't charge 150 to 300 kW at home. If you're lucky then 11 kW on 3-phase AC. Here in Ireland charging at 150 kW on the "national" charging network (run by semi-state electricy utility company akin to German EON) costs €0.62. And there's 1 to 2 chargers at a site max. Ionity has 4 to 6 per site so you never queue. Tesla Superchargers cost about €0.60 too.
I always thought these chargers sell electricity at self cost.. It really doesnt make sense for someone driving 10k-20k a year to buy a electric vehicle.. you are better off buying cheapest diesel that has consumption of 4-5l per 100km Only reason why Im buying one is because of panels. And even then I will save only around 2k Eur a year on petrol when Im driving 30k a year if I wouldnt have it for free the cost for juice is almost the same.
Hi Chris, I like this kind of tests more than other travel tests. I think more EV testers should make long distance trips using the in car navigation to evaluate actual travel times. Because some cars are very efficient and charge fast but if you use navigation it takes wrong decisions cancelling the effect of the fast charging. Consumers will use in car navigation so very nice real life test.
I have V 3.2 and have found that list. I was driving at the time, so was not clear where any of the alternatives were located. Perhaps I should have been able to zoom out on map view?
@@timbakker4631 Good! Expected it to worsen the farther south you go, but it was okay. Might be a problem in high season though when you get in Italy because I felt like the amount of chargers is quite limited during peak times.
Interesting vdeo, thanks. Probably worth saying that on wecharge free, Ionity was more expensive until recently. I have a contract until January where Ionity is 69p/kwh and all other DC chargers are 60p/kwh. I'm quite impressed by the planner's performance, better than expected, I just wish it had a filter to prevent it taking me to any sites with
When choosing another charger like you did in the video at 2:45, you need to wait a few seconds and then the car will come up with some other chargers. So it does work!
Hello, people from VW: 1. I would like specify my preferences regarding charging stop duration. I personally prefer to stop more often, but for shorter periods of time, for example 15 mins every 90-120 minutes. 2. You should really learn what is the driver's usuall driving style, or give the option to the user to decide. For example, what is the speed on highway. You should have all the data necessary. 3. There could be an option - "i need a pee break in about 30-60 mins", that would adjust to it. There should be no pee breaks without charging :) Keep improving! (and please get rid of those haptic buttons, and bring back more physical controls, for example for climate control :) )
Thanks for the content, as always, entertaining and factual. Your journey with Walter was one of the main reasons we bought our ID3 pro S (First Edition), however VW's software roll out is nothing short of failed promises. Late last year we had to leave the car at the dealer for three days to have 12V battery recall completed, replacement SOS module and update to Version 2.4. Now 3.2 has been out for a while, but in the UK conflicting news about its roll out being pulled due to too many vehicles being bricked at dealerships (going from 2.4 to 3.2) A great car to drive, but VW and software...Sigh...🤨
The slider for “remaining charge at destination” should be from 0 to 100% (or 90%) if I want to arrive with an (almost) full battery to use the next day
It's much better now... All automakers have navigation that doesn't always bring the best choices (Tesla included). It's just because automakers prefer to guess the best outcome, not giving users too much options to choose from, because that would be too complicated for some
My Skoda Enyaq came preinstalled with 3.1 last August ( I''m still on 3.1). All the route planning with charge along the way, percentage left when reaching the destination, prioritize powerpass etc that all is available in 3.1.
14:29 each hypercharger has 300 Kw when both plug are in use you’re capped to 150Kw - the biggest charging operator in Denmark (Clever) has a lot of those, perfect for ID touring with the models that has the flat curve and stays below 150 Kw 😊
Hi Chris, Thanks for your video. I just got 3.2 and noticed that voice command works Mitch better. I planning à trip to Italy in a week and will see how the travel planner works. I have seen that when you go into navigation and click to see the overall route you have an option to select chargers in which you can choose preferences such as charging speed, we charge, and IONITY. Have you had a chance to try this ?
I was going to trust the VW planner on a previous long trip. We are on V3.0. I didn’t in the end, as I thought it was too optimistic. Here in the Non-Europe UK (sigh - I didn’t vote out) we also have to be wary of broken chargers. So I planned the trip with ABRP and it worked out ok. Did I miss what battery that new ID3 had?
Is the satnav software independent of the car's overall software ? My Born with v3.1 (I think) is showing 'Display unit/control panel software : 6085' and 'Navigation database : 23.5'. What are the versions on the new ID3 ?
Functionality also looks the same as my car with 3.0 OTA, but it might be better 'under the hood'. I'm going to try mine out next time I do a long trip. I have never used it because it always initially sets a silly route (like in the video where it was unrealistic about highway range.
Hi. I've just got an ID3 and find the brakes very spongey and there is variable amounts of travel at the pedal depending on car speed. I have a regular Golf TSI and the brakes are excellent. The pedal is firm with little travel and they feel way stonger than the ID3. Is this a charateristic of the ID3 maybe?
Will the original ID.3 be getting software 3.5 or is this only available for the facelift? How does it compare to 3.2? Judging from this video it looks like the built-in route planning is pretty solid. One thing ABRP doesn't seem too good at is changing on route. I've never really given the built-in route planning a shot, but I might try it on my next long trip.
Is there a special deal between an ID3/wecharge and Ionity? I got an ID3 this march and I am charing with the ADAC-EnBW card for 51ct at EnBW, 60ct everywhere else and 79ct at Ionity (but there a very few Ionitys around here). This is the same Ionity price listed at WeCharge Free. Am I missing something? Anyway thanks for your videos :)
Those electricity prices are mad. Finland you can get fast charging at ABC for 0,35€ /kWh without any plan. I’m waiting for the 2024 ID3, gonna skip the facelift.
Depending upon what version of software you are currently on you may need to go online and book an appointment for a software update. Just another way to get you into a dealership. At least this is my experience.
@Battery Life ... Ich fürchte du hast da einen sehr gravierenden Gedankenfehler in deiner Kalkulation.... Also 67 kWh auf 554 km ?? ... Das wäre ein Schnitt von 12 kWh/100km.... Deine Rechnung der Durchschnittswerte ergibt keinen Sinn, wenn mann voll losfährt und leer endet !!! Schon gar nicht die EUR pro 100km die du da so schön vorgerechnet hast.... leider.... ===> Da müssen PLUS ca. 55 kWH Startfüllstand (ich glaube es waren um die 76% Füllstand beim start) und MINUS ca. 7 kWh Restfüllstand (35 km Restreichweite) mit einberechnet werden ... Das ergibt dann nicht nur deine 67 kWh, sondern 115 kWh für 554 km !! So wird ein Schuh daraus... ===> Das wäre am Ende dann nen Durchschnittsverbrauch von 20,76 kWh pro 100km..... Das entspricht sehr viel mehr der Wahrheit !!
Does this 2-3 month delivery time apply to all EU deliveries? I just ordered an ID.4 GTX five days ago in Estonia and the dealer said the delivery to take place in November/December (in 5-6 months).
Ordered an ID4 GTX in June 2022 (Sweden), still waiting… initially it was scheduled for November-December, then it slipped to January-March, then again to April-September!
Beats was supposed to be in my ID. 3 1st "Max" in 2020 already but VW badly cheated.🤕 If I want to have a good sound I have to take my e-Golf (has the sound system).
This feature in the US is highly unreliable - the corridor I drive has many offline and incompatible (Rivian) locations as well as Electrify America EVgo, and Chargepoint online locations. The trip planner tends to navigate to offline chargers although online chargers are available in same range or closer. Incidentally this is right around to VW USA engineering and development office, so they haven’t tested this at all
This is in my opinion not so fine software, you can better charge with ABRP, more control. Still VW needs to look better at other vendors and software makers. All those deep screens with info it's a shame, VW should learn to put the info on the first screens. Thanks for sharing.
it feels louder some how but any way I am done like you with VW and all the issues they have, maybe in a few years for a city car the ID2 All might be a choice but not the current ID stuff they had lost track. But as the CEO had confirmed in a background talk with a journalist they wanna go back and the gtx will not be the last word, cause gti will find a home in the EV age like other successfull topics from the GOLF era. GTi has a lot more heritage to offer than a GTX without 4 wheel drive and same for the good old R lines VW still offers with more power. Even the big bezels will be gone as the piano black mess and other cost savings and the less physical button hype Diess had followed blindly . He has been fired for not delivering and missing goals and no one felt that firing hiim was a mistake, no one cried for him.
God, this route planner is very stupid, almost pointless. I don't understand how an independent app like ABRP is WAY MUCH BETTER AND MORE PRECISE than ALL automakers.
My calculations for the price for 100 km are totally wrong. Since I didn't charge back to 76%
But it still shows the correct difference between the plans.
ionity is dead considering the stalling prices for electricity at home if you sign a new contract in germany. Ridiculous prices at 70 cent
Is there any reasonable plan in Germany for foreigners without address in Germany for short term, but long haul trips? Something without contract or with contract that you can pre-pay only for a month and then cancel? Prices with WeCharge Free are insane, trip would cost 50% more then with Toyota HEV (petrol 6.5-7 L / 100 km at 130-140 km /h).
@@typxxilps Ionity has always been really expensive compared to other networks if you are not a member.
@@typxxilps What price would you propose for hyperfast charging?
You're paying for the convenience of charging speed and the locations etc.
You won't charge 150 to 300 kW at home. If you're lucky then 11 kW on 3-phase AC.
Here in Ireland charging at 150 kW on the "national" charging network (run by semi-state electricy utility company akin to German EON) costs €0.62. And there's 1 to 2 chargers at a site max. Ionity has 4 to 6 per site so you never queue.
Tesla Superchargers cost about €0.60 too.
I always thought these chargers sell electricity at self cost.. It really doesnt make sense for someone driving 10k-20k a year to buy a electric vehicle.. you are better off buying cheapest diesel that has consumption of 4-5l per 100km
Only reason why Im buying one is because of panels. And even then I will save only around 2k Eur a year on petrol when Im driving 30k a year if I wouldnt have it for free the cost for juice is almost the same.
I fell in love to ID3 facelift - much much better feeling of design and infotainment for me :-) Good test!
Hi Chris,
I like this kind of tests more than other travel tests. I think more EV testers should make long distance trips using the in car navigation to evaluate actual travel times. Because some cars are very efficient and charge fast but if you use navigation it takes wrong decisions cancelling the effect of the fast charging.
Consumers will use in car navigation so very nice real life test.
At 19:10 the comparison with ABRP is interesting. I like that ABRP considers temperature, elevation change and speed.
Thanks for the comprehensive EV route planner test. We need more of these from a variety of EVs.
Where it says no results yet (time stamp 2:46), you need to wait a few seconds. It shows it to you in a list on V 3.2.
Thanks
And zooming out can help too!
@@ma40yes, this. Same on 3.0.
I have V 3.2 and have found that list. I was driving at the time, so was not clear where any of the alternatives were located. Perhaps I should have been able to zoom out on map view?
Went on vacation (from Netherlands to Italy) with my ID.3 on software 3.2 and it went very smoothly. Can't wait for 3.5 and the improvements it bring.
How was the charging availability on the way?
@@timbakker4631 Good! Expected it to worsen the farther south you go, but it was okay. Might be a problem in high season though when you get in Italy because I felt like the amount of chargers is quite limited during peak times.
When entering Italy, did the map update in time. Last year it took me a day (with good internet) to get the map for local navigation.
@@frankdroste2970 the map updates in real-time on id software 3.2
Interesting vdeo, thanks. Probably worth saying that on wecharge free, Ionity was more expensive until recently. I have a contract until January where Ionity is 69p/kwh and all other DC chargers are 60p/kwh.
I'm quite impressed by the planner's performance, better than expected, I just wish it had a filter to prevent it taking me to any sites with
When choosing another charger like you did in the video at 2:45, you need to wait a few seconds and then the car will come up with some other chargers. So it does work!
Hello, people from VW:
1. I would like specify my preferences regarding charging stop duration. I personally prefer to stop more often, but for shorter periods of time, for example 15 mins every 90-120 minutes.
2. You should really learn what is the driver's usuall driving style, or give the option to the user to decide. For example, what is the speed on highway. You should have all the data necessary.
3. There could be an option - "i need a pee break in about 30-60 mins", that would adjust to it. There should be no pee breaks without charging :)
Keep improving!
(and please get rid of those haptic buttons, and bring back more physical controls, for example for climate control :) )
Thanks for the content, as always, entertaining and factual. Your journey with Walter was one of the main reasons we bought our ID3 pro S (First Edition), however VW's software roll out is nothing short of failed promises. Late last year we had to leave the car at the dealer for three days to have 12V battery recall completed, replacement SOS module and update to Version 2.4. Now 3.2 has been out for a while, but in the UK conflicting news about its roll out being pulled due to too many vehicles being bricked at dealerships (going from 2.4 to 3.2)
A great car to drive, but VW and software...Sigh...🤨
The slider for “remaining charge at destination” should be from 0 to 100% (or 90%) if I want to arrive with an (almost) full battery to use the next day
id Software - Creators of Doom and Quake.
Correct
It's much better now... All automakers have navigation that doesn't always bring the best choices (Tesla included). It's just because automakers prefer to guess the best outcome, not giving users too much options to choose from, because that would be too complicated for some
I love this colour green and the face looks sooo much better
Hi, great video. Do know whether the “old” id3-s will get the 3.5 update?
My Skoda Enyaq came preinstalled with 3.1 last August ( I''m still on 3.1). All the route planning with charge along the way, percentage left when reaching the destination, prioritize powerpass etc that all is available in 3.1.
14:29 each hypercharger has 300 Kw when both plug are in use you’re capped to 150Kw - the biggest charging operator in Denmark (Clever) has a lot of those, perfect for ID touring with the models that has the flat curve and stays below 150 Kw 😊
Nice and sunny day. Must be a pretty green mix you put in the battery when charging!
Ionity would be a 100% green
ID.3 😍
I like that VW finally has referal program for influencers and users
Wow, didn't know the contracts had gone up that much. Mine ends at the end of this year. Sounds like I won't be renewing.
3.5 is a long way from my Born 3.1... That could do with a charger map update.
Hi Chris,
Thanks for your video. I just got 3.2 and noticed that voice command works Mitch better. I planning à trip to Italy in a week and will see how the travel planner works. I have seen that when you go into navigation and click to see the overall route you have an option to select chargers in which you can choose preferences such as charging speed, we charge, and IONITY. Have you had a chance to try this ?
This has no impact on the charger selection. This is a view option for the map
@@BatteryLife yes, no impact on the automatic route planning, but if you click on "other charging station", the filters will be applied
Chrissie, what name has VW called that paint colour? I love it and think it would look cool on the ID 7.
Dark olive something
I was going to trust the VW planner on a previous long trip. We are on V3.0. I didn’t in the end, as I thought it was too optimistic. Here in the Non-Europe UK (sigh - I didn’t vote out) we also have to be wary of broken chargers. So I planned the trip with ABRP and it worked out ok.
Did I miss what battery that new ID3 had?
We're still in Europe..
@@neilmick6778 Physically maybe.
We charge is I think still not available in NL ...
11:25 Maybe the 150 kW prevents rapidgating at 50 %? 😇
Is the satnav software independent of the car's overall software ?
My Born with v3.1 (I think) is showing 'Display unit/control panel software : 6085' and 'Navigation database : 23.5'.
What are the versions on the new ID3 ?
Does the 3.5 take elevation changes into consideration, or is it still not implemented there?
No
Shame. Makes it useless around the alps.
@@doudoune1067 It has a somewhat more expensive rival in the renault megane e tech. That uses google maps to calculate. I freaking love mine.
WeCharge - in the Netherlands, WE don’t get WeCharge. WeCharge doesn’t know us from Adam’s odd-aunt…and VW won’t sell it to us.
@Batterylife in Sweden Tesla chargers are now the cheaper option and Wecharge the most expensive. Can it plan the route with Tesla SC?
No
VW doesn''t give the "We Charge" card in Portugal, for some reason
How is this V3.5 version of the route planner different to that of V3.2? I didn't see any?
I was thinking the same thing. I haven’t used it really because I didn’t need te charge on route yet, but it looks the same.
Functionality also looks the same as my car with 3.0 OTA, but it might be better 'under the hood'.
I'm going to try mine out next time I do a long trip. I have never used it because it always initially sets a silly route (like in the video where it was unrealistic about highway range.
Hi. I've just got an ID3 and find the brakes very spongey and there is variable amounts of travel at the pedal depending on car speed. I have a regular Golf TSI and the brakes are excellent. The pedal is firm with little travel and they feel way stonger than the ID3. Is this a charateristic of the ID3 maybe?
My first Edition has that, other cars not
@@BatteryLife Thanks for replying. That is re-assuring. I'll just have to get used to it I suppose. Nice work on your videos. Cheers
Maybe it changes alot because the temperature outside heating up and you get more range? 🤔
No, it takes the range displayed and does not calculate a higher consumption because of highway driving
The battery is a 58 or a 77 kwh?
Will the original ID.3 be getting software 3.5 or is this only available for the facelift? How does it compare to 3.2? Judging from this video it looks like the built-in route planning is pretty solid. One thing ABRP doesn't seem too good at is changing on route. I've never really given the built-in route planning a shot, but I might try it on my next long trip.
I got a new pre-face list ID3 Pro yesterday and it has 3.5 preinstalled.
Is the battery heating on the road before charging? Any sign that the battery is heating on the dashboard?
Can’t you just filter IONITY chargers only in the app? Even on 3.0 OTA I think my VW route planner works pretty well
No, only for searching for it
Think you can Chris , I just tried it on my app
Not possible for route planning. But you can filter for Ionity in the search and replace it.
Hi Chris, what was the charging power at up to 64%? Did it fall below 100 kW at 45%?
Yes, like the buzz
Is there a special deal between an ID3/wecharge and Ionity? I got an ID3 this march and I am charing with the ADAC-EnBW card for 51ct at EnBW, 60ct everywhere else and 79ct at Ionity (but there a very few Ionitys around here). This is the same Ionity price listed at WeCharge Free. Am I missing something?
Anyway thanks for your videos :)
VW is a part investor in Ionity
WeCharge Plus is the beneficial contract for VW customers charging at Ionity. But the prices are rising and the contract is not competitive anymore.
Great video, but isn’t this available from software 3.2?
Since 3.0 even. I never tested it before and maybe it got better with 3.5
Those electricity prices are mad. Finland you can get fast charging at ABC for 0,35€ /kWh without any plan. I’m waiting for the 2024 ID3, gonna skip the facelift.
When it suggest a charging stop, does it automatically take you to that charger?
yes
@@krebpat98 Thanks
do you know what the beats sound system has compared to the regular system
Different speakers
Has it got extra speakers subwoofer
Nice review. I can see a fossil evangelist interpreting the number of route plan changes as farcial though.
Looking forward to getting this on my First Edition ... probably in about 2026 at the rate VW UK are going
Depending upon what version of software you are currently on you may need to go online and book an appointment for a software update.
Just another way to get you into a dealership. At least this is my experience.
will the 4.0 software be available on the 2023 models?
I don't think so
@Battery Life ... Ich fürchte du hast da einen sehr gravierenden Gedankenfehler in deiner Kalkulation.... Also 67 kWh auf 554 km ?? ... Das wäre ein Schnitt von 12 kWh/100km.... Deine Rechnung der Durchschnittswerte ergibt keinen Sinn, wenn mann voll losfährt und leer endet !!! Schon gar nicht die EUR pro 100km die du da so schön vorgerechnet hast.... leider....
===> Da müssen PLUS ca. 55 kWH Startfüllstand (ich glaube es waren um die 76% Füllstand beim start) und MINUS ca. 7 kWh Restfüllstand (35 km Restreichweite) mit einberechnet werden ... Das ergibt dann nicht nur deine 67 kWh, sondern 115 kWh für 554 km !! So wird ein Schuh daraus... ===> Das wäre am Ende dann nen Durchschnittsverbrauch von 20,76 kWh pro 100km..... Das entspricht sehr viel mehr der Wahrheit !!
Du hast Recht. Hab's oben angepinnt
Does this 2-3 month delivery time apply to all EU deliveries? I just ordered an ID.4 GTX five days ago in Estonia and the dealer said the delivery to take place in November/December (in 5-6 months).
I thought so yes. Becasue all Id.3 are built in 2 factories in Germany
@@BatteryLife Thanks! I hope its true for ID.4 as well then.
Ordered an ID4 GTX in June 2022 (Sweden), still waiting… initially it was scheduled for November-December, then it slipped to January-March, then again to April-September!
We Charge tariffs for 2022 are crazy! 0,73€ kWh WITH SUBSCRIPTION is OUTRAGEOUS. Diesel car is cheaper. This is crazy.
Agreed but how much do you pay for diesel when you fill up outside your own home?
The new look looks like id.3 had a child with toyota auris. Not progress🥶
Beats was supposed to be in my ID. 3 1st "Max" in 2020 already but VW badly cheated.🤕 If I want to have a good sound I have to take my e-Golf (has the sound system).
It is not better. Just a name.
This feature in the US is highly unreliable - the corridor I drive has many offline and incompatible (Rivian) locations as well as Electrify America EVgo, and Chargepoint online locations. The trip planner tends to navigate to offline chargers although online chargers are available in same range or closer. Incidentally this is right around to VW USA engineering and development office, so they haven’t tested this at all
This is in my opinion not so fine software, you can better charge with ABRP, more control. Still VW needs to look better at other vendors and software makers. All those deep screens with info it's a shame, VW should learn to put the info on the first screens. Thanks for sharing.
still debating why id software doesn t work 3 years later 😂😂😂😂
Ionity full others empty..
Not here
it feels louder some how but any way I am done like you with VW and all the issues they have,
maybe in a few years for a city car the ID2 All might be a choice but not the current ID stuff they had lost track.
But as the CEO had confirmed in a background talk with a journalist they wanna go back and the gtx will not be the last word, cause gti will find a home in the EV age like other successfull topics from the GOLF era. GTi has a lot more heritage to offer than a GTX without 4 wheel drive and same for the good old R lines VW still offers with more power.
Even the big bezels will be gone as the piano black mess and other cost savings and the less physical button hype Diess had followed blindly . He has been fired for not delivering and missing goals and no one felt that firing hiim was a mistake, no one cried for him.
Planner
Thanks, changed
Soon will be more expensive to drive electric.. 😢😢
I would have trashed my ID4 if it wasn't for ABRP. what a bad route planner is vw,...I can't undestand,...
So the VW route planner is still hilarious.
Maybe you should watch the last minute again
Eh such a mess still
God, this route planner is very stupid, almost pointless. I don't understand how an independent app like ABRP is WAY MUCH BETTER AND MORE PRECISE than ALL automakers.
Sales of the ID.3 is a complete disaster actually as a bad as the software
Any evidence?
Is that s why ID 3 is the most sold EV in Europe so far ? only Model Y sell better lol
How much compensation did you get from VW for this "review"?
This is a pointless review.This is no different to , to 3:0 software,boring.