NEW VW ID 3 facelift review! - is it fixed?? | What Car?
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In this new VW ID 3 review, we go through all the new changes with VW's electric hatch and tell you if the problems from before have been fixed. Or are the Cupra Born and MG 4 still better electric alternatives?
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It goes to show that the market doesn’t really want ‘techy’ solutions for normal car functions. VW thought they were doing the right thing, developing those silly controls to attract tech savvy people but the reality is most people just want solid buttons and simple controls for basic features.
I think the basis for the car is pretty good given what Cupra and Skoda have made from the same platform. The only reason why I’m rooting for it is I want to see more electric hatchbacks instead of SUVs and the MG4 is ridiculously overstyled. Let’s hope the ID2 is better.
You've summed it up nicely!
It is truly unbelievable that those heater sliders are not back-lit, Sheer madness. But those virtual sliders are ill conceived anyway.
Having driven one of the First Plus models for about half a year now I think this car is really underrated. If VW can make this a bit more affordable they have a really great car that I would easily choose over an MG4 or BYD Dolphin.
@@spoenk7448 They are getting a lot cheaper on the European used market now. I've seen a few knocking around in the low €20,000 mark with low enough mileage to know they've plenty of life in em. I'm still holding on an EV for now though as my current car is rarely driven and there's nothing really wrong with it.
@@spoenk7448I drive a ID3 pro, if the sliders was backlit and i had a backup camera, i wouldnt even think about changing car for a long long time.
What an amazing car.
Four weeks ago I took delivery of a ID3 Pro 58kW with the latest 3.5 software. I have owned electric cars since 2014. I looked at the MG4 but a test drive showed the cheap plastic inside. Road noise more dominant than the ID3. Excellent value though but p/x offered by dealer not so good narrowing the price difference. The dealer was also 20 miles from me. VW dealer 2miles away and offered to collect the car for any work needed.
I am disabled and that support is a major point in favour. I garage the car so where the charger is located is important. Kia, Hyundai & Renault all out for that reason.
As for the VW ID3, it’s quiet, comfortable, spacious, well built, I love the use of recycled materials. I have no issues with the haptic controls & info screens. The latter are completely free from lag. The adaptive cruise control is excellent and the controls on the steering wheel do have feel. As for the air con, I check the temperature before driving and that’s it - why do you need to fiddle with it on the go, me I am concentrating on the driving conditions around me. No other distractions to affect that.
The car delivers a excellent 4.2 miles/kWh at a steady 70mph, overall after a month of driving, the car is showing 4.7 miles/kWh.
Lastly the VW app is excellent and connects instantly to the car.
So is it worth it? For me yesterday it is.
I'm the same, also if you really can't remember where the temp button is although the light from the screen usually shows it, you can just tap the temp permaton the screen 🤣
I’ve been comparing this against the Golf for Motability, thanks for your (apparently similar) experience!
'cause, you know, rushing things out worked really well for them last time.
Still looks like the most random and average French car you could get
£37k starting price. Want a glass roof? That'll be the "Exterior Pack Plus with Panoramic Roof" pack for £3k. Want speakers in the rear? That'll be the "Interior Comfort Pack Plus" pack for £4k. Add a heat pump (should be standard) for £970. Add those together and you're now at £45k. I like the car but way too expensive IMO
Meanwhile at Tesla...all included starting by the base model, only things you can chose are the RIMS and Colors, eventually the Advanced Autopilot but that's still not legal so why bother.
@@colonelccccc yup, that was kind of what I was getting at. The ID3 is nice but imo shouldn't be more than a model 3 (spec for spec)
It is always a pleasure to watch a review by Doug Revolta. VW should reduce the price.
Yes they should and put the new drive train into it which is coming now for all other ID´s
My daughter has an ID.3, now 2 years old. Asked the dealer for a software update appointment in April 2023 and was given one in October 2023. This from a company that promised OTA updates. VW, please kick your dealers into action. Your early adopters deserve better than this!
A 2 year old should not drive a car
@@artvandelay2265 Thanks for the tip. I'll pass it on as soon as she learns to speak. 🙂
Insane prices for the ID3.Brave purchase.
Not worth the price
VW really dropped the ball on this one. Probably due to the reported $34 billion loss from Dieselgate sandal.
The ID3 is actually more expensive than a Tesla 3 when you include the essential options.
Well if you take an ID3 you want a hatch, or a hot hatch. The M3 is not. If you purely focus on value for money - you take an MG. If you want a Tesla you take a Tesla. Good to have choices.
Nah, most people and even companies lease or finance cars, most of them for a limited period of time. Teslas are much more expensive here.
@@bullshitbingo2259 the Model 3 out-sold (not out-leased) the VW ID3 by more than double in the UK in 2022. Can’t be that much more expensive unless everyone is loaded?
I do feel journalists and other people have too much of a magnifying class of VW's faults. People never complained about ioniq 6 abysmal material choices and subpar infotainment. Even on their 60K euro top spec there are still hard door cards and hard plastic everywhere. 40K e-208 still has hard plastics everywhere, nobody cares. Kona feels super cheap for 45K nobody complains. Korean infotainment is super laggy and has a poor layout. Nobody complains. VW has nice soft doors, soft stitched details everywhere, nice seats: "feels cheap". Ioniq 6 has hard doors, scratchy bendy plastics everywhere costs 50+K: "Really nicely done and HQ". Yeah sorry, but no.
@@CyAn-S that's true, it's all about the brands' reputations that they built over time. From VW you expect better quality because they offered that in the past. (the rather distant past if you ask me). But from Hyundai-KIA, or MG, your expectations are low to begin with. I sat in a Q3 in showroom recently and hat to double check the badge, is this a Skoda? I just couldn't believe the kind of scratchy and disgustin shiny plastics everywhere
The VW comment regarding the four-seat only option when using the 77kWh battery being down to weight (mass) overload, is highly dubious, since an extended MEB platform is used for the larger, heavier, ID.4 / Skoda Enyaq / Audi SUV series vehicles with the same motor, none of which have this restriction. It's likely more to do with packaging, as the addition batteries have to be fitted into the central rear seat space on the ID.3 (as far as I know?). Which is also why the ID.3 cost is so high for a mid-range vehicle, it's main cost element is the same heavy-duty platform designed for the bigger higher-price-point vehicles, and why they had to cut costs on the interior to make it remotely affordable.
Always nice to see a review by Doug.
I really want VW to succeed, but this update feels pointless when it still has touch buttons on the wheel and the heating controls aren’t backlit.
9:58 German car makers are very good at that… charge absolute fortune for extras which are included in many other similar cars.
Other brands don't show options. They hide it in trim levels :). Only Tesla is almost truly options free except wheels paint etc.
@@CyAn-S Well VW also has 2 trim levels with this car and the battery isn't the only difference. Why did so many things need be extra when the price of these cars are so expensive anyway?
The exterior actually looks decent now! Still not a fan of their infotainment screen (but then again, I don’t think any car manufacturers are getting those right just yet-we’re still in that liminal space where it’s obvious cars will have great infotainment systems eventually, but nobody’s learned how to do them right yet). And I’m afraid those touch buttons on the steering wheel would drive me absolutely batty. Switch those out for physical buttons and this could be a car I’d be happy enough to live with!
Why is it so hard for VW to change the climate controls? They used to set the benchmark for cabin high quality, but in many car reviews now, on any platform, the reviewer will compare the climate controls to VW's awful system
It is not hard. It just costs them money...
I’ve had a Cupra Born since October 22 and can clearly see the improvements still don’t fully close the gap. The overall look is subjective and I appreciate some will prefer the ID3 but I’m still happy with my choice.
Cupra is one really beautiful car, ID3 is VW trying to please everyone..(male, female, all ages)
Born is one of my favourite cars out there in every way.
The car is good, its just a pricing issue. They need to reduce by 8k the price across the board to start with.
Pretty much. The pro needs to be below £30k probably around £28k ie matching the top spec of MG4 then they stand a chance of selling some of these. Otherwise no one in the right might would buy this car
In China this costs 18,000 dollars
@@protagonist9716 there is heavy Chinese government subsidies on EVs but they probably also doing it as a loss leader to gain market share potentially
It's sold 16K in China...
I very like it but the problem is the big screen, the buttom on the steering wheel and the price.
IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE!!!!
Beautifully shot video! Lovely footage and editing! Great review too, thanks!
Hud Upo Disoplay in ID3 is one of the best one on the market. ''It'' drove me form Birmingham to Cannes, then to Corsica and back to uk. I nearly touched steering wheel an don't once I had to break or so. You wrong there my friend. The touch buttons are crazy annoying but driving for few months you simply get use to it. I have bigger battery on mine, 77kwh and I do around 350 miles in winter and 4000-430 in summer. I absolutly live the ride.
I’m deeply bothered by this refresh, as it’s not the full refresh, expecting owners hold fire, 6 months after the refresh vw is expected to launch a new motor and battery tech, also surrounding cameras are not unlockable even with the refresh, that comes with the motor, the screen size and hardware upgrades, even upgraded parking sensors are only after the refresh, this was a really bad move by vw they tried to do a t but fumbled, and still 3 years after launch, it still struggles to do over the air updates taking a whopping 6-8 hours that can’t be rescheduled
Wouldn't have one at all. They have duped their customers into buying a Beta model which they have payed through the nose for. Not trustworthy at all IMHO.
Bought the facelift and love it to bits. 500 km of realistic range with my driving style, so far not a single software issue. Even all the phone & app stuff works 100%.
Performance and comfort are two classes above the old BMW I drove before. The haptic touch buttons on the steering wheel work excellent as well. Never had an accidental input.
I really dont understand the hate its by miles the best car I ever had and on par with much, much more expensive combustion cars.
it's faked, all media must praise tesla etc and bash vag..
nice summary of the latest updates
Was there a different between Germany and GB? My first Edition had Apple CarPlay from the beginning. one of few parts that really works. The head up display has nothing to do with the Facelift. It was fully activated in the first edition (if you ordered it) end of 2021. I own an ID3 build in October 2022 and in includes the OS version 3.2 which is the same than 3.5. No lags, and a brilliant navigation (thinking of charging).
Don´t get me wrong. From the interior the facelift ist the car which we expected. Check out aktual leasing rate. VW did increase the price in the marked, but if you calculate the actual leasing it is 20% cheaper that the car i bought in 2022 with the same options and the better material.
I made a deep check of the navigation on my vacation trip to Norway. 5760 Kilometer. The only pickup was, after a ferry tour, to recognize that the car was in another country., This took a while or a reboot of the navigation. Charging calculation was flawless.
I’m honestly not quite sure why but I just love this car lol
Don’t know if it’s just me but there’s something weird looking about the rear of the car. I think it might just be the black plastic spoiler over the rear window and the slope of the roof, but from behind it looks like the back suspension has collapsed and the front is up in the air.
£10k of options, isn't that just a waste of money when it comes to resale? Also, lookswise I do think it looks bland compared to the Seat and Renault offerings...not to mention the new offerings from Smart and Polestar.
Accurate analysis
Any new car WITHOUT a reversing camera as standard should automatically get a 0 rating in the NCAP - there’s no excuse for putting one in - most chinese cars now have 360 as standard & Tesla have dashcam & sentry mode as standard this is the benchmark - come on VW no excuse for not having cameras in an EV that costs almost £40k
I’m sure VW will give all existing ID3 drivers a new model just to say sorry for selling them an under developed shoddy car in the first place🙄
What they will give them is...yeah, that finger.
I do like the design of the iD3 and i never scratch on plastics below my knees ;-) But for less than 40K you buy a BYD Seal. Instead of fixing this VW is lobbying at the EU to blocks the Chinees brands and isn’t improving their line-up
I love the Seal!
Chinese lobby against European made cars as well... it is only fair.
These cheap plastics are terrible, entry level cars have better materials. Who will pay such price when even the touch screen looks like a cheap gaming laptop...
What are VW doing? I just bought another new Polo GTI. I had the older version from 2019 and the heating controls and steering wheel buttons were the old type, and much better for it. I could adjust the heating without taking my eyes off the road and the wheel buttons were definite and precise. But the upgraded version has truly awful adjustment for heating, and the wheel buttons are like the ID3 in this video - dreadful.
I come from a Golf Mk8 and had a polo before that. I now drive an ID3 for a month or so, and it works fine. No finesse needed. It actually works well. Journalists just like to bash on the ID cars imo. The on-screen climate controls such as on the Volvos or Tesla are harder to use if you ask me.
This fellow is such a good presenter. Too bad about the car though. Still looks so boring and why anyone would buy now knowing that more improvements are on the horizon for next year. Still too expensive. VW needs to get its act together fast given what China and South Korea are offering right now.
Have they introduced one pedal driving yet?
nope :(
It's too expensive, unfortunately
Only 2 people in the rear cause WHAT ? Overload the rear axel ? Why is this any different than 2 people with heavy luggage ? what could happen ? Overheating ? Engine failure ?
The 4 seat "option" is the same as the Cupta Born
Cupra is also VW
@@richie_bodo correct
Bizarre all the same. Tesla doesn't suffer the same issue.
In other words don't bother buying this until mid year 2024, the car will improve.
Model 3 is a similar price, and it's faster, nicer to drive, has better efficiency, is more practical, has a better warranty, and has a better charging network. The German/China built ones are also probably just as well built as this VW and with far better material quality. The only reasons for getting one of these over the Tesla is needing a hatch, preferring the looks or brand loyalty.
Yep agreed - if you like hatches and many of us do - you look somewhere else
Also, Model 3 is a bigger car
@@anemeth9281 exactly. More metal for the money. No brainer
There's another reason as well, and I'd say it's a big one: ignorance. there are plenty people who just don't know or care for various reasons, and get swayed by zee marketing machine.
It's not a similar price ..
Still has those terrible front electric window controls on the door armrests.....
That is not a problem at all, I love the armrests at the seat - the interior not the door side though.
these touch sensitive button are a nightmare... And the batteries are the same as in 2019... Still no speakers at the rear of the car...
You want them Speakers ? You do ? Go get'em Tiger...in some packs or somethin'
Vw have changed the buttons
looks much better, i have the touch capacative steering wheel in my arteon and i have no problems with it whatsoever, and i think it looks better than physical buttons
Sold my Arteon Shooting Brake after 6K miles, worst car I ever owned. You might have a different experience.
@@colonelccccc I guess i do, i'm on my second, had my first for 2 years and my latest for 18 months, love it
I like my ID3. I commute long distances, no problem. The software isn’t perfect, but I can live with that considering the massive changes VW undertook to develop the ID range. It can only improve. The drive is really good. I understand the frustration of touch buttons not being illuminated, but I do get sick of hearing negative reviews about the touch concept in general. I don’t have any problems using them. I don’t think it should be underestimated what a big shift it is for a massive legacy auto maker to change how it designs and builds future mobility.
You get it. I started driving an ID3 about 1 month ago. I went from EV6 to XC40 into this ID3 in a very short period. And the ID3 has been a blast. Software is easy to use, easy to understand, looks clean reacts fast. Navigation is leagues ahead of the EV6 and honestly the system does not feel more frustrating to use than the Volvo's. The steering wheel touch buttons and the temp sliders are easy to use as well. The sliders are easier than what Tesla does or the XC40's on screen controls for climate. I think many journalists are unnecessarily harsh on VW for no reason at all.
MG4
Nice but flawed. You really would not want to buy a used first edition or whatever they call them unless the price reflects it.
Why would anyone knowingly buy a bad car. The reviews of the older version were hardly kind. This one is only marginally better.
So, face lift and redesign but still not good enough??? Just cannot understand what VW are doing, seat and skoda are ahead of the parent company by a long way!!
Gah, love the look of this car but I need the bigger battery one and 5 seats
Battery size is limited by the size of the car.
Well you should take an ID4 then :)
@bavariancarenthusiast2722 there's no reason why an ID3 shouldn't carry 5 people
Over priced car, still not resolved a lot of the problems,it's a definite pass from me.🤷
so the elephant in the room has not been addressed yet. Wait until next year for the next update. But by then it will already be outdated. we will have lots of other better options from other manufacturers and China which will be cheaper, better built, why then an ID3 , 🤔
Another reviewer who hasn’t got used to using the steering wheel controls. They are actually the best I’ve ever used because it’s not about pressing the button but sliding your finger along the button and the feedback is excellent but it takes a few times of use to gets used to it.
Where are the physical buttons for steering wheel and climate control? Without it, this car is unsellable.
1:23 how about the old model? that's not how you fix stuff
A moment of silence to all the people who have been tricked to buy the previous ID3 for 40k
I love your videos, can I get a comment heart?
I mean still not good enough is it? You spend most of the time inside the interior and if there are so many compromises, you wonder why VW has lost marketshare to the likes of Kia
nice
Very expensive for what it offers.
Annnnnd it will depreciate like a stone!
20K you can find good old models already but...do you want the issues that comes with those ?
40k more for id3.... need a diehard friend support
Why not use Android software like others, for instance Volvo?
There is no high quality proprietary EV software outside Tesla. Xpeng, NIO.
Tesla,is making there cars less understandable so VAG has been given a chance to grab some of the Tesla market share for a change.
@@phillipbanes5484 until you get to a roundabout. North America is Tesla’s SMALLEST market - and now to become Tesla’s BIGGEST market. Cats have more intelligence.
@@phillipbanes5484 The shareholders will be depending on world wide sales, in the quarterly statement, to support the share price prediction of reaching ‘the moon’ pdq. (Remember the FOMO factor ?). Non American sales matter BIG TIME.
Perhaps you have sand in your eyes………remember that Americans ARE only Americans……pretty much clueless about others.
A great big heavy car with 4 seats and downright dangerous steering wheel controls? No thanks! Good video, thanks.
Why do motoring journalists moan about the Haptic buttons all the time ,I have an ID5 and can use them perfectly
You need to get used to them a bit. I would have preferred actual buttons in my ID.3. Now that I'm used to it it's not the biggest problem for me.
I really like that car. I test drove a top spec MG4 as well, which was alright but the ID.3 seemed like a better car overall.
Totally overblown. They work perfectly.
Sorry don’t get the problem with the steering wheel capacitive buttons. Work just fine and look better. Sensible to offer a choice but I have no beef about it and find the criticism regarding it or the volume slider to be silly
VW was a genius in the 80’ & 90’ at engineering, why Audi E-tron interior are much nice … the problem is the software is way behind Tesla, even the Chinese made BYD is much better design on the interior, range is terrible short ! Poor marketing & software development !
Another great video from Doug. What the f**k are they smoking at VW. The ID3 is an embarrassment. There’s going to be facelift to the facelift.🙄 Software still lagging behind rivals, cheap materials and ridiculous pricing. MG4 pretty much a much better value. I really hope VW turn things around with the ID2 otherwise it’s not looking good for them
yes agreed! And I am writing from Germany....the ID7 looks great in terms of what it delivers, drive train and all and it will trickle down into the other models.
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 I like what I’ve seen of the ID7 but how quickly that trickles down to affordable segments remains to be seen. In the mean time the likes of MG, BYD, Stellantis & possibly Tesla will continue to innovate in the sub-30k segments at pace
@@Najeebster yep I hear you - the drive train is awesome and is much more efficient then before - best in class(for now) - I saw that it will be in all new ID4 and ID5 as well immediately (this year) with better interior and larger screen etc. thats why I am quite positive about it. It seems like VW listened. It will not come inside the ID3 for now though.
Software lagging behind? Have you actually used it? I went from an EV6 to a Volvo XC40 into now an ID3 (short term leasing situation, long story). And the ID3 feels less frustrating to use than the EV6 for sure. It does not lag, well laid out, navigation speed and quality is leagues ahead of Kia. People complain about the sliders and touch buttons. they are dead easy to use.... easier than Tesla climate control for sure.
The MG4 Xpower costs less than the base model ID.3. LOL.
And it is a heck of a lot quicker 0-60!!! And it looks better.
@@westwalian1018 I own a Golf GTI and all I wanted was for VW to make an electric one. Now they say it's coming in 2028. Now I know I won't buy another VW.
privacy issues with these cars are off the scale
What privacy issues?
None, just some tinfoil hat loser who can't afford one.
Hot take I actually like the capacitive touch buttons on the steering wheel on my ID.4 better than physical buttons
VW forgot to fix the interior, terrible touchscreen / slider ergonomics. Cost cutting madness.
Not vw standard😢
MG is killing it with 4.. Although the design of the 4 is a little overkill. ID3 looks like a bar of soap, and M4 looks like an angry wasp with wings. Both to radical.
Best Brand in Europe ...best Brand in world . Volkswagen,das auto !
Too pricey for what it actually is. Also, in winter the range drops dramatically /as is the case with all EVs/. At this point, no EV offered new in the European market is worth the asking price. Probably Tesla is the only exception if you can get around the rather unconventional interior.
Well is it fixed? Are you watching this review for the first time just like me? In your first ID3 review couple of years ago you said it's a must-have electric car. What changed since then? You weren't sincere? So many question marks in the title. You guys have a self-esteem problem? And here one more question mark, just to have an even number?
Mg4 10k plus less Maybe not as well rounded but 10k less simples plus better warranty to bout.
It’s staggering. They are literally more than 10 years behind Tesla. That screen looks like it’s from the 90s. Who would buy this!?
The platform is too heavy, efficiency is not there, software problems galore, high prices. Forget it VW.
You are late to the party mate - the platform is sound, the drive train got updated now and is very efficient - starting with the ID7 -4 - 5. The software problems are fixed its a good car now.
The ID3 is for me though too slow and too expensive - but you critiqued the platform which is not real.
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 Good hear this … I wonder why Herbert Diess was dismissed when he made it clear a new platform was required?
Efficiency not there...... Yeah you are not informed at all. Software problems? 99% is fixed.... Infotainment beats Kia, beats Stellantis cars (Peugeot etc) is better than what the MG4 has. Try the car, and then come and talk. After driving the OLD ID3 for a month after coming from an EV6 I have learned that most journalists are being unreasonable to all ID cars. The old ID3 had issues especially that interior quality. But that is now better than what Koreans and French offer and the software is pretty solid.
@@CyAn-S This is good news if correct. I will take your advice and have a close look.
@@GlowingTube of course if you still dislike it after that it is fine. I am just not a fan of the senseless bashing.
Very expensive car and poor quality
I spent 100000 RMB, equivalent to 10000 pounds, to buy a low-end model ID3 , feels SO good. I come from China,HAHAHAHHA
This should be a sub £20k car with that design, fit and finish. Disappointing.
Is it fixed?
Short answer? No.
The wheels are ugly
It was never broken
No it wasn't. Totally overblown. Reviewers seem to love giving VW a kicking. Only two buttons for the windows...who cares? Who spends their days lowering the rear windows from the front? The only valid criticism is the price. "Not the most practical of hatchbacks" he says ...with about a foot of knee room 😂.
Oh a Troll meeting yay 😂
If this is the best German car manufacturers can come up with they are right to worry about the vehicles the Chinese are producing.
Never buying VW ever again. Terrible customer service and reliability.
About 15,000€ too expensive.
Too expensive. Tesla offers more for the same price.
Which hatchback in a good design is Tesla offering?
I hate that now they all set for this mediocrity of just sticking a screen and calling that interior. All because Tesla did it. It’s ugly and it’s a terrible experience for everyone in the front seats. And people still love overpaying for a screen and a steering wheel
Massively overpriced!! My byd dolphin trumps this in all aspects especially performance and efficiency. Also spec to spec its 13k cheaper.... Shocking 😂
The Mercedes EQA is a better all-round car. The ID3 is just too quirky. Same as the new golf. I lived the old golf, not a fan at all of the new golf and it's ALL down to the media system and the stupid bloody steering wheel buttons. Don't fix what's not broken! 🤬
Looks and feels like a toy 😂
And to think VW says it's a second generation is a total joke. The arrogance.
Bet the South Koreans don't even see it as a threat 😂
As for the price? Talk about taking the piss. Do one VW.
Now looks more like a bar of soap than the Tesla.
or buy the new model 3 and that's it
Much more expensive and still no HUD.
the MG 4 looks not good and does not have the good handling of the vw. would never buy it.