Ashok Gulati vs Reetika Khera: Three Critical Questions about MSP on Which Experts Can't Agree
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- In separate interviews on these issues with two leading experts who have, recently, written about them, Karan Thapar for The Wire spoke to Ashok Gulati, former Chairman of the Commission for Agricultural Costs and Prices and presently Infosys Professor for Agriculture at ICRIER, and Reetika Khera, Associate Professor of Economics at the Indian Institute of Technology in Delhi.
Ashok Gulati repeatedly asserts that only 6% of farmers benefit from MSP. As evidence, he cites both the NSSO’s Situation Assessment Survey of 2012-13, the last such survey that is available, as well as his own research on the value of agri-produce bought by the government at MSP prices in 2018-19.
In response to this Ashok Gulati says that Reetika Khera’s claim depends upon what definition is used for large farmers. He says if you define large farmers as people with over 10 hectares of land you are limiting it to just 1%. He prefers to define large farmers as people with holdings over 4 hectares. In response to this, Reetika Khera says that the definition of large farmers as people with 10 hectares or more is a government definition and one accepted by every expert in the field.
If I heard is right then, Main point is:
According to Gulati with my perceived elaborative understanding, "Govt already has 2.5x surplus procurement holdings under MSP for it's PDS & all. Need of the hour is to call Private Agencies who can procure Agricultural commodities completely on the ground of Demand & Supply, so that farmer's produce get something in place of nothing and sparing govt to overburden itself for no rational social cause."
@Anirudh K why u dont get worried when tax money got wasted in giving 8 to 10 lakh crore debt concession to corporates every year. U became able enough to pay tax cuz govt invested in u and increased ur income 150 percent by 1991 while they invested in income of farmer and made it increase by 19 percent only .tab kyu nhi bole k brabar badhao income??? Btw This person is modi's next choice for agri minister as per news published business standard in 2019. Also govt can store this surplus if it had invested in modern conveners rather than parliament building
अगर सरकार के पास 2.5गुना धान्य भांडार है तो देश hunger index मे इतना खराब स्थिती मे क्युं है? ये सब आकडोकि बाजीगरी करते है, किस हिसाब से 2.5x गुना धान्य भंडार है बोलते है? क्या ये विद्यमान उपभोगता (current beneficiary) के हिसब से बोल रहे है के 2.5गुना धान्य भंडार है? कितने तो लोग एसे है जो PDS system का फायदा तो चाहते है पर वो उन्हे किन्हि कारणोसे मिल नही रहा। उदाहरण के लिए कहूं तो मुझे एक नाॅनव्हेज खाने कि पार्टी मे खाना ना खाते हुवे देख उसका मतलब मुझे भुक नही है, या खाने कि जरुरत नही, एसा निकालना गलत है।
अगर ज्यादा लोगोंको PDS system का फायदा मिल पाए तो ये जो 2.5 गुना धान्य भंडारण है, वो शून्य गुना होनेमे समय नही लगेगा।
@Anirudh K
Ok lemme try explaining it better then sidhu.
What govt is leaving fr the corporates to do on the basis of supply and demand of the market (private corporations obviously will try to make profit, hence harassing the farmer and skyrocketing prices of essentials) why cant instead govt provide a platform itself to help farmer sell their produce?
System is already there, APMC. Just need to strengthen the system. That way you will not leave the food security of the nation in the hands of private corporations.
Thats why its clear to the educated farmer that govt is trying to appease their corporate friends, that it is dependent upon fr election funding. Further evidences of govt corporate lobbying are present too, like building of adani silos before the bills were even presented and the kind of one sided contracts they have with FCI etc etc
Btw govt is also opening the banking sector fr the same corporate friends against the guidelines of RBI. Google its harmful effects.
@Anirudh K
Its wrong to call it overburden for govt. For the procurement of all 23 food crops at MSP from the entire country would cost them 17 lakh crore rs(govt estimate),but once they sold it off that might leave them with few lakh crores of profit instead of any loss (if there is no corruption). Plus the benefit of food security of the nation, which is social obligation of the govt.
@@arungnairktm
Mr. nair, i’ll suggest you to stop subscribing to the fake propaganda of godi media, believe me its lot more complicated thn what you think.
Apart from my logical answers, i totally agree with what mr sidhu said. All that is true, but thats not the only reason we are opposed to farm laws, its lot more harmful for nations food security. We punjabi’s might lose some income but we wont die of hunger at the least. We will grow enough to feed ourselves, the rest of india will face the heat.
Karan Thapar, Sir, bring Madam Ritika and P. Sainath simultaneously alive, let them put direct questions to Mr. Gulati and let Gulati rebut them. Kindly let the viewers know that Gulati is a part of the WTO, World Bank and IMF conglomerate. His arguments will lean in their favour, he has no interest in how to increase the wealth of the farmers whether they are small or big farmers. Gulati has been paid cores from the Adanis and Ambanis, his entire talk is leaning towards the profits of the private sector.
He is concerned with the management of food grains and the market.
But the income of the farmers is declining.
But those involved in Agro- products, in the manufacturing of fertilizer, or agricultural implements are doing a roaring business and making profits. Agro-products could include bread, biscuits, cakes, oats, cooking oils, soya etc.
Prof. REETIKA KHERA has scored in the discussion . She is more open and admits there is BIG DATA GAP while prof. Gulati is happy with old data And he simply challenges PDS as to why poor be give food grains at Rs.2 or 3 . He simply is a spokesman of corporate sector and not of farmers .
Excellent discussion. Good to hear such counter views
“For example, more than 95 percent paddy farmers in Punjab and about 70 percent farmers in Haryana are covered under procurement operations while in other major rice producing States like Uttar Pradesh (3.6%), West Bengal (7.3%) Odisha (20.6%) and Bihar (1.7%), very small number of rice farmers benefit from procurement operations.”
In total, the procurement system reaches around 11.8% of the rice farmers. This explains by the protests are limited largely to Punjab and Haryana.
Source - cacp.dacnet.nic.in/ViewReports.aspx?Input=2&PageId=39&KeyId=702
The pricing policy has also discriminated against eastern states where procurement at the MSP is minimal or non-existent. With part of the demand in these states satisfied by subsidised PDS sales of the grain procured in other states, prices of wheat and rice in these states end up below what they would be in the absence of price interventions of the government. The price policy has thus also created a regional bias in crop pattern as well as incomes of farmers.
Source - niti.gov.in/sites/default/files/2019-07/RAP3.pdf
Please learn to Google stuff. This is the 21st century, for god's sake.
And these protests are about - not giving up supposedly "hard earned" privileges of medium and large farmers of Punjab and Haryana. Nothing less, nothing more. Their protests have become vulgar, they no longer have my support.
Last para naked truth..
No matter, neither farmers ask for your support nor modi, but still you are willing to stand in support of One
Karan is getting better by the day
It's a to much good discussion which is gives different aspect of expert persons
Two clarifications. Dr Gulati talked about 7.5 hectar , irrigated land is the cap for land ceiling. Karan did not catch the distinction between irrigated and non irrigated.
Last 50 -60 the MSP was only an Administrative mechanism that co- existed with the PDS but why the Farmers today want it legalised is because of the Entry of the Multinational and Big players, that I feel has evoked insecurity in the Farmers.And Mind you its not just the farmers but for us middle income and retirees very modest pensionsers and really the Aam Admi will have to feel the weight of the Industrial players. So today the Farmers are not necessarily thinking of themselves but us consumers they want that MSP should be made into a law. Can you or anyone and indeed the Government can afford to deny that security?
Mr thapar you got this moran his problem is large farmer
Ok so he is backing his reasons by realistic logic which doesn't suit your position so he his moron?
Ques: If only 6% farmers get MSP, what about others? Are they getting more than MSP, I don't think so....Will new laws provide price more than MSP?....Is Mr. Gulati arguing that we should not give benefits to 6% also.... Shouldn't we implement same system in other states so that they can also get benefits of MSP....
Absolutely...he was just advocating corporates....
They're getting market value which is how every efficient system works. If you think government can buy everything and farmers will become prosperous then you're delusional.
Since Ms. Khera likes the decentralised procurement system, maybe the central govt and FCI should get out of procurement and let the state govts buy and distribute grain?
Good plan.Just that corruption in both central and state machinery would hinder things.On top of that in non bjp states,the ego clashes and political motivations would further obstruct things.
Do you even understand anything at all? Punjab is food excess state, UP-Bihar are not, how can Punjab setup PDS for Bihar?
Whole purpose of FCI is to channalize food from surplus to deficit states. Ofcourse, Centre govt role is pivotal in this process.
@@harpreetsinghmann see,one reason why our founding fathers espoused a federal structure,moving away from the princely states thingy is to ensure this flow of goods, particularly,the essential items.We have had this system operating and serving its purpose.
@@harpreetsinghmann now when the setup is handed over to the pvt. players it will surely look for it's own profit maximization.That is it's only goal.It's goal is not to take care of the masses,especially the needy.Our economy is a mix of both capit. and socialist for a very specific reason.To ensure equitable distribution of resources.
@@senguptasayn exactly, bro, i don't know why some people think corporates will come and generously give farmers higher prices. Why would they? Don't they want to maximize profits. Where have they? West has Walmart, but why do they also have so many farmers markets?
Either have a floor value or have public-private deterrent like Amul to challenge greed.
"I am not an agricultural economist and I don't really have much data, but let me throw random statements to try to create doubt against a legit agri economist who knows all the data on his fingertips." This is Reetika Khera's stance. How do such people get paid?
Who pays Gulati? Adani and Cargill corporation???
This person ashok gukati is modi's next choice for agri minister as per news published business standard in 2019. Chronolgy samjhiye aap 😂😂
So bro what's wrong? If this is true it's brilliant. Meritocracy is always good. Merit should be embraced.
@@yashparmar5901 array simple if he support laws that means he is bjp chamcha... Irrespective Of The fact that he has got padma shree
Farmers want my way or highway. Gulati is very coherent with his arguments
He used to work under Congress government earlier.
For those who dont know about msp.. msp is minimum support price.... And they are not giving msp in other states .. they dont want to give msp in punjab haryana...we want msp law in whole country
You perhaps missed the points Prof. Khera was making on MSP.
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@@JohnWick-zi7om pura bakwas karr raha hai ye hero. Criticize karna aur credible evidence aur logically baat karney mein zameen aasmaan ka fark hai.
Kya aapko pata hai ke kai rajyon mein MSP ya APMC ka byavastha nahi hai? Agar ye kisaano ka andolan hota toh yeh unn rajyon mein MSP aur APMC laagu karney ka maang rakhtey. Aisa nahi ho raha hai.
Secondly, aapko pata kitney kisaan sangathan iss farm law ka support karr raha hai?
So you basically want to depend on government that’s socialism I doesn’t work
Ashok Gulati exposed superb Karan
Mr. Gulati making JALEBY rather than giving a clear answer understandable to the public. Any policy has pros n cons.
Sadly, I agree with your observation.
He presented pretty good arguments if you were listening.
@@vibhavdeshpande8196 He did. But dont you think his numbers are not based on actual data points?
@@jishrayto4817 He did clearly explain his data points.
@@vibhavdeshpande8196 how about his classification of high income farmers based on his own definition instead of following the govt one? Surely that is not acceptable. Isnt it?
She has no data but wants to say Gulati is wrong. If you have data let's talk data, if all you have is opinion let's go with mine
why u dont get worried when tax money got wasted in giving 8 to 10 lakh crore debt concession to corporates every year. U became able enough to pay tax cuz govt invested in u and increased ur income 150 percent by 1991 while they invested in income of farmer and made it increase by 19 percent only .tab kyu nhi bole k brabar badhao income??? Btw This person ashok gukati is modi's next choice for agri minister as per news published business standard in 2019. Also govt can store this surplus if it had invested in modern conveners rather than parliament building.
अगर सरकार के पास 2.5गुना धान्य भांडार है तो देश hunger index मे इतना खराब स्थिती मे क्युं है? ये सब आकडोकि बाजीगरी करते है, किस हिसाब से 2.5x गुना धान्य भंडार है बोलते है? क्या ये विद्यमान उपभोगता (current beneficiary) के हिसब से बोल रहे है के 2.5गुना धान्य भंडार है? कितने तो लोग एसे है जो PDS system का फायदा तो चाहते है पर वो उन्हे किन्हि कारणोसे मिल नही रहा। उदाहरण के लिए कहूं तो मुझे एक नाॅनव्हेज खाने कि पार्टी मे खाना ना खाते हुवे देख उसका मतलब मुझे भुक नही है, या खाने कि जरुरत नही, एसा निकालना गलत है।
अगर ज्यादा लोगोंको PDS system का फायदा मिल पाए तो ये जो 2.5 गुना धान्य भंडारण है, वो शून्य गुना होनेमे समय नही लगेगा।
From where you get this data....economic survey 2018- 2019 data not match with your data...plz send me refrence....
I was wondering about storage. Yes, most of it is rotting. Why don't they invest in better storage facilities?
@@tusharpotdar5762 Great question sir!
Good point about Gulati being in the good books of Modi. I was wondering why always one sided support for the laws.
We are growing wheat and Paddy in excess at the cost of-
1.With cultivation of these 2 crops, the water consumed is resulting in salinity of lands.
2.Due to salinity the per acre production has reduced.
3. To set of the reduction the farmers are using excess subsidised fertilizer .
4.There is high consumption of power.
5.The ground water level is falling to grow this crops.
6.Nearly 40% of the grains are lost . FCI is maintaining Bandigoots and Rats.
7. It is illogical when fruit and vegetables which constitute 310 million tons of MSP while it is 240 million tons of grains are given MSP.
8. To imagine any company to buy lands at 1 crore per acre in Punjab doesn't make any sense for one.
9.Who prevented the APMC to have a computerized data when they are rich ?
10. Please read the new ways of increasing the income like Farmers of Naxalite ridden area 'London feast on Vegetable of Dharmapuri district ' New Indian Express- 01/03/2013. Where good number of farmers formed groups and exporting vegetables to London every day and earning in Pounds.
A question to the Reethika when every state is improving the agriculture with Irrigation canal ,the Paddy cultivation is going to increase.
Hence cultivation of Paddy in Punjab should be restricted to Basmati only. One thing that is seen is no new idea comes when there is plenty of water and power.
Why is mr Gulati insisting on 6% of produce, whereas the relevant figure should be msp purchase as a percentage of total produce sold.
Absolutely correct. Should be 13% for paddy n 16% for wheat. When 60-70% dosent sell at all, how can they be part of the denominator?
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@@AlkaAT I have 2 tonnes of low quality,half rotting wheat of last year, i could not sell to traders, and selfish+dictatorial Modi government wont buy at MSP. They gave me kisaan schemes, electricity, and loan waiver using corporate tax money government gets, but thats not enough! If there is less corporates tax collection in india, we can always loan money for our wonderful farmers.
Totally confusing .
Ideally Mrs Khera and Mr Gulati should have been together for debate
Ashok is a thug , tell him to debate with me . Ms Khera has to save her iitd job.
@@gurindersingh8109 Why will he debate with you? You will only have the arguments that have relevance in Punjab whereas Mr. Gulati is talking about national picture concerning farmers of entire India and not confined to Punjab.
@@animesh_tiwary Yes, it's a Truth.Since last 20 years farmers r committing suicide (Southern Indian States & Maharashtra) and debt trap have any of the Kisan Unions raised their voice /agitation all over India?
I think most of the time wasted on arguments from different perspectives
Just tell us what money government spent on procuring through MSP, from this what percentage went to large farmers and what to small farmers, also if you can give absolute number of farmers who got benefitted and their split.
We are worried that only small number of large farmers are benefited, why are we not worried that 90% of wealth is with the 10%.
Are we moving towards having the top 2% controlling 98% of the nations wealth
Just think
I wonder why both were not interviewed together. Maybe the smart Thapar wanted to protect Ms. Khera.
There is fallacy on Gulati side too.
Have you ever seen him do group interviews?
It's actually the other way around. The govt's economist has a agenda on this hand to represent the corporate interest. By a direct confrontation with a real economist who have nothing to represent , prof Gulati stands to get exposed of the narrative building govt is doing at the behest of such corporate economist.
Not just tried protecting the unprotected but miserable failed due to Mr. Khera's self goals. :)
Gulati has come up with 7 year old crappy data...Consider that as a starting point :)
she just said she is not an agricultural economist
What percent is 11 million and 4 million
How does Karan fail to ask that?
How can he be satisfied by real numbers VS percentages
I picked the same question....Good one
I had commented the same !
India has more than 140 million farmers (as per PM-Kisan enumeration) . 11 million and 4 million sell paddy and wheat respectively ... that comes to ~8% and ~3% . What is wrong with Mr. Thapar and Mrs Reetika 😂😂
सही पकडा भाई, करन mis opportunity of catching mr.gulati
@@tusharpotdar5762 around 8,9%. Now what?
Gulati seems completely out of touch with the ground realities.Just wondering if it's deliberate.
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Spitting out statistical figures is not Ground Reality. As usual, the data is fudged and Gulati sits in his comfortable cabin and talks.
Feku has ZERO credibility and most farmers will not buy into his bu..sh..!
Actually it's quite opposite... The lady isn't even an agricultural expert. 🙄
@@PseudoProphet khera was talking about the economics related to the agri. sector.No wonder our netas find it so easy to manipulate us.
@@senguptasayn the lady isn't challenging Gulati or the laws. She just wants more data
First of all, Mr Gulati you need to do more study cause you are completely confused person and not able to understand one simple question "what is percentage who got MSP in Punjab among total farmers in Punjab ". Its about percentage of farmers not quantity.
2nd, in terms of quantity, large no (87%) farmers with small quantities will higher quantities than big quantities from small (4-5%) no large (in terms of quantity) farmers.
Say 100 farmers.
1 hector produce 1 quantity.
Two categories 1. Avg 2 hact. 2. Avg 5 hact.
Now, 87 small farmers and 13 large farmers.
Now, the produce, small farmers = 174, large farmers = 65.
Now, 6% MSP will apply to both.
Mr Gulati, u don't understand that simple logic and reason you think it will hamper farmers.
As per wikipedia punjab produces around 37% of india's wheat after consumption so what's wrong if punjab farmers gets around 40% of wheat procurement .
At the end she admits she is not an expert in all of this,just waste of time.
Karan, after long i hear u unbiased analysis. Mind this will get journist better dividends....
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I thought that the land ceiling act restricts max land holdings at 7.5 hectares. How can large farmers be then defined as above 10 hectares?
That is urban land ceiling act. For rural lands, the respective state governments make separate laws. Agriculture land holdings come under the exclusive domain of state governments. (Pl. see the 7th schedule of Constitution)
Mrs khera is confident in answering questions at the same time mr gulatis legs shaking
Mr Gulati giving refrence from data collected in NSSN survey 2013.
Lol 😂 Ritika Khera's numbers justifies the 2013 data . Simple math 😁
He is completely confused person.
@@gsingh5267 How much difference would have happened in 7 years?
I'll address all the issues raises by you.
1st. The same NSSO survey says that more than ~86% farmers are net buyers of crops as they are very small farmers. Most farmers CAN'T sell to the mandi at MSP. The transport cost is too much for a small farmer to bring it to the district mandi. (One of the arguments to bring pvt investment in procurement is that corporates would themselves take the produce, create better storing & segregation centres, etc.)
2. Only rice is priced at international rate, wheat is not & forget about "water guzzling" overpriced sugarcane.
The chart u r mentioning is not complete. ( www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/k5z2t0/til_the_msp_of_wheat_in_india_is_40_above_the/ ) India has dramatically increased her MSP in since 2012 onwards which was partly the reason for high inflation in the later UPA era. Our wheat price is much much higher than similar countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan. Infact it's partly becuz of us Pakistan ia facing a wheat shortage as some of their produce is sold through through our border (source: Dawn newspaper). The primary reason why international price (read EU, US, Canada, Australia, Russia price as China is no more an exporter) is so high for rice is that most advanced economies TAX carbon usage. Yes, even on agriculture. Please note the latest carbon tax on farming in Canada. Rice draws huge amount to water (which needs to be pumped) and also depletes the underground water table. As India isn't restricted, we have wiped out the water table in Punjab. There r 3 great underground water depleted areas in the world - China (Yangze area), India (punjab belt), US (California - cotton belt)
3. Coming to your point on big farmers should receive subsidy as they aren't so big compared to foreign big farmers.
ABSOLUTELY NO.
Our big farmers are big compared to OUR farmers. Our big farmers are looting the subsidy meant for our poorest farmers. Almost entire MSP subsidy is drawn by a handful of 4 hectare + farmers.
It's akin to saying Reliance sold 1000 shirts to govt and received Rs 5000 as subsidy & 1000 small tailors sold 1 shirt each and received Rs 5 each as subsidy and this is justified as Reliance is not as big as Amazon!!
NO!!
4. The last point was MSP was introduced to stabilize the market prices against shocks and scarcity.
Well sorry but we DON'T need rice/wheat any more
We already have 2x times more than we need
We are literally rotting tons of rice in the storage while our poor people can't eat!
We underproduce fruits, oil, daal forcing our children to be malnourished.
People still supporting the current system are doing criminal offense against the poor and should be jailed!!
6% of total farmers are availing the benefit of MSP.
I raise 2 points for consideration:
point 1. since its 6% produce Gov't is buying, They shouldn't have problem in legalizing MSP.
Point 2. Though all Farmers are not availing MSP, they have a base price of MSP to negotiate with private buyers. If MSP is removed it will affect all farmers selling or not to the Gov't as they are exposed to private players.
Even, jio is now crying for floor price..
Agree with Reetika khera that the data has to be more robust and reliable, basis which important policy decisions are to be taken
6% (wheat and Paddy) of agriculture produce is bought by the govt. Then what is the fuss about MSP ?
There is no money for that 6% even. If givt buys 100%, then total tax collection will not be enough. Right now 30% of budget is going towards that 6% MSP procurement.
Notice that during Prof Gulatis interview:
Karan is fixated on the statement “majority of farmers benefiting from MSP are from Punjab and Haryana”. Karan wants to severely dissect the word majority and want to put a number on it. ( and conveniently not talk about the 94% who don’t even sell at MSP)
Now, juxtapose that with Prof Reetika’s interview:
She says according to the administrative data, which she herself points out is not that reliable, the number of farmers benefiting from MSP is “much more” than 6%. And Karan, forced by his biased nature, takes that “much more” at face value. Calculating a % is not rocket science, it can be done from any reliable/unreliable data sources.
Sorry but I do not think it is still clear Madam Khera's points what percent of farmers benefit from MSP ? If not 6%, then is it about 10% or 20% or 40% or 80%. Significantly more than 6% but how significant ??? Some order of magnitude needs to be put forth else its an open loop answer. We are never going to have near perfect data.
2. what was the larger policy point ? Not clear. Too much of approximate number crunching when it could have been done more precisely upfront. Could have been dealt in numbers of farmers rather than vaguely in terms of percent of farmers.
3. Also is the total procurement amount increasing significantly and how far can it be increased. That will limit the distribution across farmers anyways.
5 minutes discussion stretched to 50 !!
Thanks to DEENBANDHU CHOUDHARY CHOTU RAM ...WHOLE OF PUNJAB INCLUDING HARYANA AND EVEN PAK PUNJAB SALUTES U...NO COMPARISION..
MSP can not be implemented.
Prices in international markets are lower than MSP prices, therefore most of the crops can not be exported.
Why should customer buy costly grains if they are available at cheaper prices in international markets?
Govt can not buy every grain produced in the country, that would require 18 - 19 lakh crore, which will have to increase every year. Govt's total revenue collection is just 22 lakh crore in budget. Govt takes loan of 6 - 7 lakh crore every year to meet budgeted expense and interest payment.
In the absence of relevant data the debate is more of my word against your.
6 against 11 is an irrelevant argument as it still excludes 90 percent farmers from the benefits of MSP.
AG being a distinguished agricultural economist with decades of genuine field research is correct in hypothesising that Punjab farmers have been major beneficiaries of MSP system since it's inception.
On the question of legalising MSP, his clear thoughts on it's disastrous concequences stood in contrast to RK's smart excuse at even hazarding a guess.
In Punjab, it's a widely known fact that rich farmers corner a major chunk of village common land auctions, depriving dalit landless farmers their right to dignified living.
It's a pleasure as always to watch Karan Thapar moderating a debate with hair splitting precision.
Wah Dr. Gulati what an idea. If 30% of all farmers even sell wheat and oh that 10% of farmers then why are you multiplying them and giving the number out of 100? If 70% of people are using the crops themselves they wouldn't suddenly start selling once private corporations come into play. Wonderful use of statistics
Secondly dr Gulati conceded that the number of small farmers benefitted was more but the quantum of benefit to large farmers was much more . Karan did not talk about the quantum of procurement dimension while talking to dr Khera
@Anirudh K I think most farmers especially in Maharashtra,Kerala,Kashmir,and definetely in Himachal Pradesh want private players to come in.
More than 60% of crops are being procured within 3 states only...mainly Punjab and Haryana. The remaining 40% are being procured from the rest of the states...
The first govt need to stop taking a huge per cent of crop procurement from these 3 states only...after that, they need to stop taking the surplus crops.
If MSP makes the cost High at retail, the Government has to subsidise it for people who can not afford it.
65% of people being from farming if the farmer gets MSP a lot of poverty will be alleviated . The only people remaining in the poverty trap will be urban poor. Giving MSP therefore will benefit a large population in India.,
No it will not, you certainly don't understand economics and even less then dead loss that comes with MSPs.
So it is actually the figure of 6 % is wrong and misleading. It is around 13%. Those farmers who are growing paddy and wheat for self consumption should be excluded because they are not part of the market
That's the whole point
Why should the govt spend subsidy spend to larger farmers??
Karan Bhai bolne to do arnab ki tarah behave kyu Kar rahe ho😅😅
After listening to this interview I have 3 points to make.
1. The larger issue which the govt doesn't want to talk and few of the Economist hesitate to talk is Food Security Act and future of PDS. If you remember when FSA was promulgated during UPA there was a huge debate about coat of FSA and many economists and a large part of middle class educated population didn't support the law. The arguemebt against the same was that it's leftist, dole to poor to keep them poor, against fundamentals of market economy etc. Govt has to make it clear Thier position on FSA and PDs as they are interlinked. The 3 laws as it's fine print suggests are a death knell for FSA and PDS in my understanding.
2 closely linked to first point is MSP since the Govt procurement is linked to both MSP and PDS. It's a well know argument of market economist to pour scorn on PDS and govt procurement. They are in favour of cash transfers and dismantling of PDS. The Govt has to clearly lay down thier vision and policy thereafter. The reason farmers are bent on MSP being made as law is precisely because the Govt is not laying down the vision and roadmap. The fine print of the laws indicate dismantling of PDS which in affect will jeopardize lifes of farmers. It's an existential question for majority of farmers.
3 Finally since 1991 there has been a sustained discussions on reducing the workforce dependent on farming with intention moving them to industrial and service sectors. Another affect is also to convert Agriculture lands for industrial purposes. Again the policy makers will have to come out with a roadmap for achieving this and providing alternatives for farmers who are likely to loose thier lands and livelyhood.
Please understand the fight for some is of existence and dare I say for others it's about food security. If my livelyhood in IT is threatened and if the Govt comes up with a law that will scuttle IT industry in Bangalore with the arguement that only Bangalore was the majority benefit of earlier law, what do you think IT people of Bangalore would do. You can extend this logic to all sector. The policy should be a roadmap to bring others on par with the highest performer and not make the highest performer weaker to bring them on par with others. Think about it.
PDS will be replaced by Cloud Kitchen,
Wat is IT - Rupee depreciated from rs.30 to rs.75 a dollar
Farmers all over the country r suffering, paying 80 instead of 30 for diesel because of IT
Only 6% of the Agri produced is procured by Government .
Ok the data is old, but in a decade ,6%cannot become 60% .
@@dhruvnarayan8169 You have a technical point BUT assuming the 6% hasn't changed at all, still those 6% constitute millions of small farmers and their families. They are human beings, living on edge with lifeline of the MSP. You cannot leave them to wild market forces which does not care about hunger, loss of land or complete destruction of every living person of those millions of farmers with NO vision, prospect, alternatives (assured alternative and NOT left to the mercy of markets).
And all of the above that I mention should only become all the more valid if the numbers are increased even by a few more percentages. Say if the current number has increased from 6% to 8% or 9% that means the net increase in the number of farmers will be (at least) 150% - 200% or possibly even more in terms of absolute numbers because both the growth percentage and increase in decade population percentage will have to considered.
The facts are that there is no comprehensive job increment policy laid out to provide for the farmers so that they can switch to the alternative sources of income, there is no vision or document that specifically deals with how the markets will function, there is no assurances about what could be a safety net if this great plan of the Government fails, there is NO current data upon which we can real time discussion about these laws, there is nothing said or talked about the eNAM process which was touted precisely for the purpose of dealing with the middlemen problem, there is NOTHING provided by the policy that puts up a broad picture of the farmer workforce would be reduced from current 45% of the Economy to 1-5% which usually exists in the Western countries, based upon which we are trying to get rid of the MSP regime, there is absolutely NO talk about how even if the farmer workforce reduces to 1-5% how will they be supported on subsidies which is the foundation of most of the farmers in the west and is almost 10-20 times more per capita as compared to the subsidies that an Indian farmer receives. And all these issues still do not address how they will affect the GDP/land holdings of the farmers/Land policy of agriculture land to be brought in or the intention of the Government. So many things in air but the government wants the farmers to let go of the MSP regime which has functioned decently for many farmers over the past decades without knowing anything what lays in front of them after dismantling it.
Awesome write up. Great job👍
@@pamtam1 The transition from 45% employment to 1-5% did not happen in western countries over a couple years it took place over a large period of time. In usa 50% in 1870 to 2% in 2008. So gradually there will be shift in employment. There is large disguised unemployment in agriculture the subsidy system is not optimal for sustainable growth. The Centre for Study of Developing Societies (CSDS), based in Delhi, found that given an option majority of farmers in the country would prefer to take up some other work.( www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.downtoearth.org.in/news/indias-deepening-farm-crisis-76-farmers-want-to-give-up-farming-shows-study-43728&ved=2ahUKEwj2uq2Jz4vuAhXzjeYKHT2oA4oQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0a_hGFzs-nZ3SQlp6Zg3dJ )
During the lockdown the government had announced the farmers can sell their crops out of the mandi if they wish(just like the new farm laws). And even then there was a record buying from the govt side.
Also, if the farmers livelihood was at question I don't think the protest would be this small as almost half of the country depends on farming and a majority of them would have taken to the streets.
As per my understanding this is a protest of farm unions(many communist controlled) and the arthiyas and not necessarily the farmers at large.
However there are certain concerns which the govt should solve. I think that a farmers tribunal should be formed to handle dispute.
Model contracts should be the only way contract farming should take place. This would protect farmers from lawyers of big corporations.
A strong competions commission of India to regulate the corporations.
Right now any one with a PAN card can buy from farmer. This needs to change and licenses need to be brought.
You should listen to Dr Ashok gulati's interview on The Print.
Private players, companies will not buy at MSP prices, if they can not sell the commodity at higher prices to end consumers and make a profit.
Even if MSP is made into law, private companies will not buy at high rates than international market rates.
Govt will have to buy all grains produced at higher MSP prices for which govt does not have any money left. Apart from regular procurement, govt does not have money to procure additional grains every year.
I believe Farmers organisations should unite and start their own Farmers cooperative like Amul and Sell their produce online directly to consumers. The required Logistics and Storage requires capital which can be loaned from the government. Farmers should ask for a loan from the government to start their cooperative and build storage and logistics and online selling infrastructure instead of asking to backtrack the laws. Also this way make all farmers a small shareholder in the cooperative based on their contribution. Such a cooperative can be a powerful entity that benefits farmers and consumers. While Ambani, Tambani, Adani, Khadani, Thadani etc ... will be left out of the fold anyway.
Bhai ye dekh le
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Ar ye pdh lo
1)economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/agriculture/narendra-singh-tomar-releases-new-guidelines-for-setting-up-10000-fpos/articleshow/76899255.cms
2)m.economictimes.com/news/economy/agriculture/up-brings-policy-to-set-up-2000-new-farmer-producer-organisations/articleshow/78388642.cms
No need to do as government is going to support 10000+2000 fpo for 5 years
What needs to be done is that taxes should be reduced for FPO'S
Gulatiji you have a defective way of calculating. You add to denominator the number of farmers who do not sell in market. Then for vegetables you will add all house wife growing sprouts in their kitchen ? Your premise need to be revisited.
No. That's the standard NSSO survey.
All the percentages.
U understood it wrong.
All farmers should be added who produce rice & paddy. Otherwise, it's just a ratio of govt procurement to pvt purchase and NOT how many farmers BENEFITS from subsidy.
People growing vegetables in the garden is not included in NSSO.
For above the 2 cases, both Reetika & Gulati agree on the numerator & denominator as it is the standard govt survey.
The difference is whether to take the number of farms benefited or the numbers of farmers who benefited the most.
An equivalence would be:
Ambani selling 1000 pieces of cloth to the govt and getting 5000 rupees subsidy & poor tailor selling a cloth to the govt and getting 5 rupees subsidy.
The current law is that discriminating...
Lost my faith in IIT today. How can IIT economic prof ignore demand-supply model and support a command and control economy with things like MSP.
Then remove MINIMUM WAGE CONCEPT , let the labour market decide wages based on demand and supply , u would be amazed at the wage level if u give it a free hand without any protection !!! The wages in such a case would come to less than 100 rupees per day due to labour excess in India !!! MSP would be distorting if it is maximum selling price or a price of significant profit , re read the definition of MSP , it is the minimum selling price and the bare minimum to recover production costs
If u really want a fully functional free economy model based on demand and supply then better remove social security , maternity benefit obligations on private players , bcoz even these schemes distort the market , let the market decide whether to give social security or not , why does govt poke itself into these matters ? The simple ans is the free market economy is not perfect in reality and it has been proved time and again
@@ananb7747 yes.. u got it right.. social security, maternity, minimum wage, MSP etc should not be forced on private companies.
Government can be social but economy must be capitalistic
@@kaushikdinak1575 But did you get his point though??
Even the heart of free world ( US ) has socialist elements now, wage guarantee, Obamacare, taxes etc.
We need healthcare bcz we can't just leave people dieing on the streets. We need minimum wage bcz Trickle down isn't happening either.
Markets don't work all the time that's why the world had Keynesian revolution. World is moving towards mix economy and we were mix from the very beginning.
@@harpreetsinghmann first, become rich like USA, then start behaving like them..third world country with wannabe first world safety net, defending 11,000 farmers suiside due to so called social security in the form of MSP
What shocks me is what crap people say just in order to open market with in own country. Restrictions in selling, fixed price sell, free electricity, water etc.. all this means no interest in scaling and improvement in production
@@kaushikdinak1575 How do you become like US should we also have slavery or colonize like the Britain??
What a dmbfk!, you clearly have no idea how agriculture sector works either...
Get rid of farm subsidies, and you will have half the population unemployed, food prices would go through the roof, anarchy will be the norm, India would split into so many pieces that you won't be able to count.
India came 97th out of 107 countries in hunger index 🙏 so please don't say food is surplus 🙏 the thing is govt can't even feed the poor🙏
Here is the official GoI categorization of Indian farmers: pib.gov.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=188051
Marginal Below 1.00 hectare
Small 1.00-2.00 hectare
Semi- Medium 2.00-4.00 hectare
Medium 4.00-10.00 hectare
Large 10.00 hectare and above
Going by this definition, neither of the scientists is wrong, although both seem to have used the one or the other classification to further their own arguments.
Prof. Gulati groups "medium" and "large" farmers into one single entity called "medium and large" farmers as those holding 4+ hectares, and that is technically correct.
Reetika Khera Ji's views are sensible, relevant and unbiased. Infosys Professor lacks current Info. And Thapar has gone down to remain just a "Devil".
And he does it best
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I have 2 tonnes of low quality,half rotting wheat of last year, i could not sell to traders, and selfish+dictatorial Modi government wont buy at MSP. They gave me kisaan schemes, electricity, and loan waiver using corporate tax money government gets, but thats not enough! If there is less corporates tax collection in india, we can always loan money for our wonderful farmers.
@107 Srivathsan G At my IQ i do know basic things in the world. At your IQ, you know only about whats in front of u. I know about the sun/moon without being there. I also know that the fake kisaan movement is more active in Amrikka/ Cannaddaaa/Australia. They are all fake protests, u r right.
If Ritika Khera is right, then Modi govt has expanded MSP in the last 7-8 years. That’s what Govt is saying to the farmers. So why farmers are protesting if the evidence is to the contrary?
She can neither deny demand supply model, nor that Modi increased MSP coverage.. she just wants to disagree somehow for something
So Professor Gulati needs to get his definition very clear. The NSSO data is of 2012-2013. How can you make policies on an eight year old data points. Now the number of household taken from NSSO , is it from all over India or just concentrated on particular regions. Next the definition of Professor Gulati of large farmers, doesn't match with what the definition of the agricultural department. I would like to debunk Professor Gulati theory of 6%. There are lots of inconsistencies.
Mr Thapar, I like the way you have controlled the debate & asked those 3 hard hitting questions. To the point.
How much do you think data would have changed in 7 years? Not much
Prof Gulati should understand that poor farmers also sell their produce at Msp and procure their living through PDS and not that all poor farmers are privileged to eat all that they produce and sell only their surplus. He probably is unable to undestand the plight of poor people.
Can you share the below data?
Total farmers in punjab + harayana
Total farmers in rest of India
Total value of sale from punjab +harayana
Total value of sale from rest of India
This should give a clear picture
Read the NSSO data
The rule for different states is different.
Kerala has MSP for coconut, rubber, pepper and rice more than Haryana.
What is MSP for coconut, rubber and pepper in Haryana?
MSP is bad. Google "price floors"
The point is bow tie joker thaper was a failed math student. How did he pass school
@Siddharth Sriram LULZZ, I mean 2 states having taken 65% of subsidy is not a significant majority because rest 27 states 9 union territories still get 35% subsidy, WOW.. fcukin bow tie joker thaper wasted 10-15 minutes on this
bsdk koi batayega ki govt ki msp se market ke neeche kyon bikta hai agriculture crops. aur yeh law ke baad logon ko msp se barabar price kaise milega? kon ensure karega.
Farmer se 3 rs mein gobi buy kar ke 30rs mein sell karta hai business wala. This is 1200% of profit. wtf. how this new law will ensure farmers and puiblic is not cheated
Wish the 2 experts were put face to face rather than someone trying to translate for the other
Yes.But it could have created problem to Karan Thapar.. Remember Dr Ashok Gulati is Agrobased scientist and 2nd madam is an economist.
@@chandrakantshanbhag3058 ashok gulati is choice of modi for next agri minister as said by news of business standard in 2019. Chronology samjhiye
@@chandrakantshanbhag3058 so what
this interviewer is like a the one student in class who don't get things easily and keep asking Question eager just for sake of being taken as intelligent studnt by others.
That is Karan Thapar's style but he usually knows more than he lets on
@Raphael Raphael get a new word instead of tukde tukde may be that will help fuel your propaganda . Real tukde tukde is BJP and the Ku Klux Klan of India the RSS
THEY ARE SPREADING HATE AND DIVIDING COMMUNITIES..
@Raphael Raphael Your mind is so clouded by RSS propaganda that you don't see facts and arguments, just anti or pro BJP. You fail to realize that Congress and BJP both don't give a shit about this country they just want power.
@Raphael Raphael Sir you are most great, I have no awareness and comprehension. Please enjoy your mental prison of propaganda. You belong in it.
@Siddharth Sriram I'm surprised to read that you mentioned, Mr. Thapar showed Chetan Bhagat his place, is that correct or Chetan showed a clear mirror to face to Mr. Thapar in that 1-1 interview where Chetan Bhagat exposed the failed/prejudiced thoughts of Communist/Left/......(so-called) scholars/journalists in India?!
WB is the highest producer of rice 🌾 whereas government procurement is only 14% of national.
That is the same problem with Odisha also bro....
More than 60% of crops are being procured withing 3 states only...mainly punjab and haryana..
The remaining 40% are being procured from the rest of the states...
@@homefrontsai it is the majoritarianism of a bunch of crony farmers in Punjab and Haryana
If FCI pay unskilled laborer 1lakh a month it is centers problem
They just want to make punjab and haryana poor and want to make other state stable....but they don't see the sacrifice of the punjab and haryana ... By polluting land , water , and air... by using gmo seeds and pesticides .....so punjab should get the money for it's water going to rajasthan and delhi ....
If only 6% gets msp, then policy should be aim to increase the numbers
Did u even watch it.. buddy
@@shashankdwivediYT what?
I m totally agree, इन गुलाटि जी का इकोनाॅमीक एसा है, के मात्र 6% लोगों को MSP मिल रहा है 94% को तो MSP नही मिल रहा है, तो फिर उन 6%का भी MSP निकाल डालो,
ये तो ऐसी बात हुई के अगर बकरी कि एक टांग टुटी है तो उस टुटि टांग को ठिक करने कि बजाय, बाकी कि तीनो टांगे तोड दो।
@@tusharpotdar5762 it's not economically viable. Moreover govt procurement or APMC Markets aren't going anywhere.
Ms. Khera seems to have no common sense. The reason for the changed definition is that in Indian context if a category has just around 1% of farmers in it, how meaningful would that be?
MSP is a failed system... West already tried it decades ago and stoped doing it.
So what should it be .. MRP
@@cadcamengineeringservices3831 why is there a need to have such restrictions, either way? 🙄🙄
We need to have to law for MSP because the all rice and Weet supply in 10-15 days so farmer have to sell it even they get half price, the big reason is that farmer don't have storage
We have to provide them good storage or MSP so they have to sell on half price
@@sandhu7200 you don't need storage facilities, to store it for such a short amount of time, it juy needs a 4 walls and a roof.
@@PseudoProphet you need to store it for whole year bro, I m saying supply comes in only in 15 days
If you don't have storage than you have to sell it on whatever the Price you get for it so if farmers have storage they can keep it and sell it later when price go up.
Otherwise middle man will buy cheap from farmers and sell on high price.
Gulati is causing harm to farmers by quoting an eight year old data to advocate for the farm laws. His assertion that MSP benefits only rich farmers is a lie. In mandis in Sambalpur and Bargarh districts of Odisha we see mostly small and marginal farmers getting MSP. Has Gulati visited such mandis ever? I suspect he's battling for the government.
The farmer will form cooperatives provided the government facilitates them the same way they do the corporates who are getting into agri products.there are many stories of farmers who had been ready to get into the value addition of agri products and its marketing but they were arm twisted by the state by various regulatory methods so that they corporates involved in the same industry could continue to get their raw material.Incidentally this was also done for a need to make headlines showing the success the state had made in getting industry into their land.
To make things more clear.. you should have talked taking example.. lets say there are 1000 farmers and to 1000 kg wheat in India.
wrt Ashok Gulati it looks like
Now 6% of these ie 60 of them are getting MSP for 90% produce ie 900kg wheat= 60 getting MSP
Now 90% of this 900kg produce is from 10% farmers(wrt 6% ie 60) who are from Panjab/Haryana ie
So 810kg of wheat is from 6 farmers from Panjab/Haryana.
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6 farmers = 810kg from Panjab/Haryana getting MSP
64 farmers = 90kg other than Panjab/H getting MSP
940 farmers = 100kg not participating in MSP - they consume themselves/sell to local buyers etc
Majority Indian farmers not getting benefit of MSP.. May be I missed something
PS: I am against letting corporates make direct deal with farmers.
In West Bengal, the state is buying almost 28% of paddy produced to distribute through PDS
FCI BUY FOR PDS THATS GOI
@@himanshutyagi5798, there is variation from state to state in procurement. However the money comes from the union.
@@himanshutyagi5798 FCI is in debt Closing soin or may be sold to some big corporate.
@@intiazdnm FCI is too big to sell thats 2 lakh crore
No its not
Ritika is clear with her arguments and they are well articulated.
If she has data let's talk data, if all she has is opinion let's go with Gulati
Great job
Karan thappar
And
@theWire...
Excellent interview. 👍
My humble Submission is to ASHOK GULATI how come you never ever submitted the same DATA before 2019 & why Now all of sudden ⁉️ 🤷♀️VOTERS 🤷♂️ OF 🇮🇳 INDIA are not at all interested in your misguided 💔 figures of your own DATA BASED STORIES TOO..A G Please at least now do good deeds for our country 🌍👍. Will you AG ⁉️ JAI 🇮🇳 HINDUSTANIS. 🤞💐👏🌹🙏
Farmers are basically asking MSP as a legal right. Which's a terrible idea.
The ideology of Ashok Gulati is now common knowledge. That is why he is pinning his argument on an 8 year old figure, while the state-wise procurement policies has undergone a massive change in last 6-7 years. This year for the first time, Madhya Pradesh has surpassed Punjab. In 2020, the Centre has procured 129 lakh tonnes of wheat in MP & 127 lakh tonnes in Punjab. So change has been happening very fast & we are still going by 8 year old data.
NSSO data is not available.
So Reetika Kheraji could use the administrative data (FCI?) to evaluate the changing trends in MSP based state-wise procurement by the Center..
Punjab and Haryana sold 100% on MSP in say 1995-2000. Today going by 2020 data they make less than about 50% of MSP procurement. This is an earth-shaking trend. How can one make policy without taking this into account...
Expansion of MSP procurement into MP for wheat and into AP (~12-15%),, Chattisgarh (~12-15%), Odisha(~12-15%),, Bengal (~%), for rice is good.
MSP is far more broad based than certain biased experts are trying to make us believe... 😁🙏
One is an expert and the other one is trying to be an expert and failed miserably.
Everyone is a expert in their own field and in their own way , Gulati might be an Agriculture expert but he essentially looks at economics of Agri sector with less consideration of socio-cultural dynamics of Agri system in India
Look who's talking 😂😂
@@ananb7747 I think you missed looking at Mr. Thapar's and Ms. Khere's field of expertise. Please note, in the end Ms. Khera denied answering to two Important questions sating she's not qualified to answer Agricultural economy and related laws, if then so what's the benefit of having Ms. Khera talking about on the topic, just to say that "Data is Old?". Is it worth having article in Hindu and this debate/interview just to say "Data is old?" Come on even a kinder garden child can say data is old as it's 2013-14, not required an IIT Asst. Prof to say that. :)
@@nikhilpatil1935 Data is old is a crucial point ! What are you talking about ? Everything is based on this data , should it not be updated ? It can change the conclusions considerably.
@@nikhilpatil1935 She clearly stated her limits which is good for a healthy debate , she presented her version of the rationale behind the farmer protests and quoted the stats and examples from the ground to prove her point , as an economist , she just highlighted that u cannot make laws on outdated data and stats and exposed Gulati on his MSP claims not benefiting small and marginal farmers , it is an absurd argument that only big farmers stand to benefit from MSP ,she highlighted how decentralised procurement has been in implementation in states and MSP has been found to be useful to a good chunk of paddy and wheat farmers
Today is a data driven world and policy making cannot be based on theories of WEST whose demographic - class - socio - economic dimensions are way diff from that of ours , IN THE WEST , it was rapid industrialization which which absorbed the agri labour which is no where the case in India , avg farm landholding in west is above 5-10 hectares unlike in India where 86% of farmers are small and marginal
merely 6-7% population in US depends on agri , while in India it is near to 45 % ,so any attempt at corporate farming would spell doom for millions of small and marginal farmers and would be massive unemployment
Prof Gulati, is akin to a bjp leaders in all debates in the mainstream media, in many ways: 1. They only say the usual rhetoric than answering questions asked, ultimately they want to divide and rule, now it's the turn of farmers, etc. Nevertheless no one cannot deny the fact that some or the other, big or small, from Punjab or otherwise, they are all FARMERS
Gulati supports Adani and the market reform which the farmers oppose. Contract farming will turn the farmers into agricultural labourers. Without MSP farmers will be ruined. Market system should not be introduced in agriculture. The government should take the responsibility to remove the market system if it wants to reform agriculture. Wholesale market should be nationalised.
Cooperative farming should be encouraged. The government should supply fertilisers to the farmers and the government should produce fertilisers. MSP should be there for some important items. The government should supply the agricultural equipments. Markets or Mandis should be there in every blocks of Villages.
Gulati- Agriculture Economist experience40 years
Gulati- If the MSPlaw will make the market will collapse.
Ms. Khera- I'm Not qualified to Answer.
Karan you didn't understand diffrence between the percentage of No.of Farmer and Total Quantity percentage.
Dude 7 year is a fresh Data if you match with Total quantity Bought.
PM kisan Have the Data also.
Ms Khera repeatedly quoting 2013 data to use your point Noob
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BJP is a disobedient government to people. It has no conscious. MSP (Minimum support price). meaning servival line that have occurred producing crops. They are not asking fortune but minimum just to support like a handicap ' to help me service.'
The Bible. 1 Timothy 5:18 ”You shall not muzzle an ox treading out grain," and, "The workman is worthy of his wages." .
Luke 10:7 “the worker is worthy of his wages” Farmer work from down to dusk.
The Quran 5:1 "Pay the labourer ( farmer) his wages before his sweat dries." Islam has a set of basic rules and regulations for employer and ... “Employer must declare the wages to worker before the worker begin working ... for medical treatment Employees ( farmers) deserve support , even though it is not in the employment contract but ' This is EMPLOYER’s OBLIGATIONS IN ISLAM.' Farmers work in unregulated sector as workmen. All Holy book support their wages. Indian farmers are asking minimum support for survival. BJP is not listening to God let Farmers alone. How would they listen Human and their weeping . Mr. Gulati is right but a deafen and dumb Government will not listen.
If you take wholistic view, problem is of weak overall economy, more people dependant on agriculture in absence and lack of other business activities, that has to be fixed. Right balance of demand , supply and consumption of goods and services and import -export is required . That is the prime responsibility of Government and us.
MSP started when production of agriculture goods was low to increase production and reduce load on import for this basic commodity.
A poorly conducted interview:
Karan always reiterated 11 million and 4 million and conjected that it is much more than 6%. He didn't even care to ask what is the figure in percentage?
On definition of large farmers holding more than 10 hectare, Mr. Thapar failed to question both who were contradicting each other and citing government definition. Instead he wasted everyone's time on nitpicking some small petty arguments on 'only', 'majority'.
Prof. Khera argued that Punjab and Haryana are 20 year old compared to other states who are 5 year old and new to MSP system. By that logic, other states are 20 year old and Punjab/Haryana are 5 year old in procurement from private players. So that argument never remains valid. Instead it strengthens Prof. Ghulati's point that MSP don't benefit farmers since 98% MSP dependent Punjab and Haryana only account for total 6% of Agriculture produce and other states have been severely affected and tax payer money goes rotted in FSI.
I think professors Gulhati number are wrong. I have see so many farmers in Karnataka selling toor daal on MSP rate to private traders. In the survey he quotes , we are already out😂😂😂😂. And nomenclature of large farmers is horrible 😂
Gulati said “ Only 6% of ALL agricultural produced in the country is procured by the government under MSP”
But Karan asks Ms. Khera “only 6% of farmers benefit from MSP procurement”
Do they NOT know the difference between the two ? or is language is used so liberally that this type of statements are supposed to be accepted. ?
To Ms. Khera's point that data is old, it's old for *everyone*. Based on the same (old) data, both of them wrote an article and presented, or maybe I should say highlighted, different positions.
If we distribute ₹100 among 10 people, such that 9 people get ₹1 but one gets ₹91, Mr. Gulati is trying to highlight the person who got ₹91 ("majority"). While Ms. Khera highlighted that the money also benefits 9 other people, not just the single person ("beneficiaries"). Now you decide where to place the focus.
Only leaders have right to take government facility and salary ??????? Why should not farmers have right to take government MSP
The real purpose of the central government and its advisors like Gulati has become clear now. They want the price of wheat & rice which are food crops, that farmers in Punjab and Haryana (mostly) to FALL with the removal of the MSP/APMC scheme so that farmers move to other crops like sunflower, lentils, groundnut etc etc that are cash crops. Because some years we have over production (surplus) and we are holding stocks today. But the fact is that this is precisely the reason MSP was introduced, to keep farming alive even when there is surplus for some years. Only 2% of farmers even today want their children to be farmers. In one generation this “surplus” can dissappear and what will you all eat ? Sunflower ? Or Adani imported wheat ? As a common man you have a problem that food grain is available at Rs. 2-3 per kilogram because Modi says so ? How blind can you be ?
The entire debate is being projected as if Punjab and Haryana have benefited maximum from the MSP, has it ever been thought by Ashok Gulati or others, why it is so?? I am sure he must be aware, but deliberately not being touched. I will explain why? Both Punjab and Haryana, historically, are not rice consuming states. Years back, to feed the rest of India, cultivation of paddy was thrusted upon the farmers of both these states with an assured buy back arrangement (FCI) by govt agencies to fill up the silos for PDS. The farmers were given an incentive in the form of MSP, because rice is not a Prefered choice for consumption, it became surplus to be procured by govt agencies for distribution under PDS.
Farmers of Punjab and Haryana are rich because of MSP and farmers of other states commit suicides because of lack of MSP. That should be the lesson for the government to expand MSP to all states and provide the facility for it through the establishment of Mandi system which may not exist in some states.
Which are experts?! Politically polarised? Then let the experts to give solution to the country wide farmers suicides?! You care about Punjab market commission agents , who are gaining profit out of existing system. Ex. IAF
Great stats.by Prof. Khera. Clear and precise. Prof. Gulati on the other hand appears to be obfuscating. Smell some disingenuity on his part. Karan as always does what he does best, ie work hard to keep the wheat separated from the chaff.
Really?
And what are the figures 11 million and 4 million expressed as percentages?
How does karan forget to ask that?
How is 65% from 2 states even comparable to 35% from all other states combined?
@@sambitacharya24 yup. Punjab and haryana combined would be at the max a mid size state in India.
Seems Dr Gulati had invented new maths like modi who gets additional 2xy while making square of x+y
Really marvellous mathematician world had ever created Dr Adhok Gulati
Where is Nobel Prize Society is sleeping
Ps just
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Forget nonsenseof ecedemic ji.
I would like to ask Mr. Gulati what is the intent of these laws? I got a impression that discourages large farming because he believes they benefit from MSP. Is he don’t want farmers to grow and aspire to become large farmer. Even with 6% MSP...it set a anchor point of price. All sale price will be somewhere around MSP. In the free market, the price can fluctuate like stock market or oil market. Only large farmers would be able withstand the fluctuations..and small farmers can loose everything in one single bad year. Removing MSP and unregulated market is very bad especially for small farmers.
Debate is good when you liston real farmers who is growing grain , his problem.
Food stuff or food processor is different his problem are different. Why you are mixing together in debate. Fist separate discuss both issues, don't worry about it. Worry about every customer.
Farmers are not economists.......u cannot make politics like that..... people will always demand for more(money or subsidiaries) but a government can't be run like that.....it will eventually collapse with more sociologist economic policy