'Suspend Farm Reforms for 6 Months, Compensate Farmers, but Don't Repeal Laws': Ashok Gulati
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- In an interview where it’s repeatedly made clear he supports the government’s agricultural reforms which he believes are very necessary but is not unsympathetic to the predicament of Punjab and Haryana farmers, India’s foremost expert on agriculture has called on the government to suspend implementation of the three agricultural acts for up to 6 months and immediately announce a diversification and compensation package of up to 10-20,000 crores to secure the income of Punjab and Haryana farmers as they are encouraged to diversify the crops they grow, moving away from wheat and grain to other crops. Prof. Ashok Gulati, presently Infosys Professor for Agriculture at ICRIER and the former Chairman of the Commission for Agricultural Costs and Prices, says increasing the role of the corporate sector in agriculture is essential because the investment the sector needs cannot be provided by government. He also said India cannot sustain grain stocks of 97 million metric tonnes, which is substantially more than double the buffer stock requirement of 41.2 million tonnes. He said the concerns and emotions of Punjabi and Haryanvi farmers, who are far more dependent on MSP and public procurement than other farmers in the country, are understandable and he is sympathetic to them but they cannot be allowed to hold up the reforms required - and, in fact, long discussed - by Indian agriculture.
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I must say , this is the first time I have seen someone nailing Mr Thapar, Such sharp wit that Mr Gulati possess, hats off sir
First class interview. Finally one understands the key issues
@@SunilMehtanim1 he is not nailing down @thapar but Thaler is baw down to him
@@gagan1769 that was not my comment
slammed KT completely, "its the way you look at it"..
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
If people like Ashok gulati were called for debates in main stream Indian media channels, we would have healthy discussions regarding pros and cons of farm bills
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
They are the same face of a coin.
Punjab and Haryana are the main stars of "Green Revolution'.
@@SikhSaakhi we should listen Dr Sardara Singh Johal, Agricultural economist too
ppl in comment section are calling him Cooperatists chacha.
Because they can't handle his facts
Very true, the flag bearers of free speech are now hurling abuses towards a person with different point of view
His facts are not true that not ground reality
@@jeetsarai1 they are
@@jeetsarai1 Bro he spent 15 years studying agricultural economics.
Private players will make APMCs not redundant but more competitive.
Agreed
The main problems are:
Complete mistrust of the government by the farmers. Two reasons have contributed by this.
Farmers were not adequately consulted. The subject was not scrutinised by the parliamentary select Committee nor discussed threadbare in Parliament. Now after the farmer's agitation several key changes have been allowed. So why we're the farmers forced into this position. The farmers are worried of the small print. Therefore they just do not believe this government. Scrap these laws and immediately sit down with the farmers and frame a transparent set of rules which is the way these things should be done.
Since 2003 there have been discussion after discussion. How many more do you want?
@@rakadus I don't want. The discussion should be with the stake holder. Neither me nor you or people who think that only they know best. Farmers should have been widely consulted. Farmers from different states have differing problems and therefore one policy for the whole country does not work. Consultation should be with the farmers and states.
@@ssnayar994 What you have stated is what's been happening since 2003? What makes you think that for 20 years there has been no consultation?
@@rakadus What makes you think that the farmers are braving this cold and suffering hardships for ego points. Stop behaving as though you know everything. Neither you nor I know the problems in detail to comment. The one thing is that government in a democracy should never be given a free run and there should be no implicit trust in them. I prefer to go with my anna datta. He is far more honest, reliable, knowledgeable and is nobody's fool.
@@ssnayar994 The issue on hand is not one of consultation, but of change. What's happening in Delhi is a manifestation of resistance to change. In 1960's, we were begging for food grains. What worked then continues till date. Now, we are in surplus. Economics is the root of the issue. Changes will be a jump into an unknown economic model for our "anna datas". They are comfortable with the existing economic model. However, the model is neither economical nor environmentally sustainable. Do not take my word for this. Listed to Dr. Gulati who has spent 40+ years of his life in service of farmers and who has the best interest of the farmers in mind.
Wire, it’s unfortunate the title is so misleading. Professor is talking Farm law’s importance n then you put a title which doesn’t do any justice to the entire talk!
They put the title to sell their narrative
Yes truly misleading...these guys sell an ideology not ideas
exactly .... both are white collar self propelled experts
@@venus495
I think they are white hair, not white collar. Budappa, especially the anchors of 80s now time exceeded to retire, but hanging on.
But they did show the entire interview, didn’t they !? Title was a form of directive towards the solution about the reforms.
Farmer is the only person, who buys in retail and sells in wholesale and pays the freight both ways.
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@@gmailaaaa Yes, if I quote a very annoying neo-liberal "Modi govt must sweat in Parliament to avoid bleeding on street. Farmers’ protest shows why"
theprint.in/opinion/modi-govt-must-sweat-in-parliament-to-avoid-bleeding-on-street-farmers-protest-shows-why/554964/
But, the point is for Farmers in Punjab and Haryana have to diversify the crop produce.
That’s not true in India . Farmers get subsidised fertilisers and seeds
@@gmailaaaa Well, how about you put your thoughts on my comments, if you wish in the first place.
"1. How can you compare dairy with other crops? Dairy has a fixed demand, and is not affected by weather!"
I can't get into a person's head and say exactly why but I guess Dairy was probably brought up because it was the only other revolution that happened other than the "Green Revolution", the "White Revolution". If you are not satisfied, just look at your today's menu of yours, your breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks, whatever. You would see at least 90% of the agri-produce, if not more, that make up your menu comes off a completely private supply-chain. You can pick any one of them. I assure you that you would be spoilt for choice.
"2. He admitted that farmers of Punjab & Haryana will affected and indirectly said that these "sacrifices" will have to be made for the greater good of environment and country. When was the last time you heard that a private company was penalised for destroying the environment. What happened to coal India limited? Taking income of farmers will affect more than 50% of the population, their kids and their education. If environment is the problem, find a direct solution for that and educate them about me ways of growing for crops like using mineral and tube technology. If anything, farmers of Punjab and Haryana will be the first to adopt that considering their history."
I would give my views in two parts, first on the environment. If you dig deep you would see that stubble burning wasn't a historical issue of the region. It only surfaced when the farmers started using modern harvesting machines which leave behind a discomforting length of paddy which can't be dealt with efficiently. I mean tilling doesn't make it go and other newer machines which do a better job isn't available. So, basically, what needs to be done is simply going back to the harvesting methods of a couple of decades back. However, it seems like these protesters is keen on enjoying the benefits of both worlds.
Second, these are no poor farmers at least the way you project them. Just for the record, some of the first and the biggest showrooms of Merc & BMW is in that region. Very recently, the largest integrated dealership of BMW opened at Chandigarh, the one of it's kind in the country. Having said that, nobody want's a declining income and I too won't like that. However, Punjab already has a "Cancer Express", and if they are not ready to change, then, I guess we maybe staring at a "TB Passenger" or a "Water Mail" in the near future. Isn't it ironical that Punjab, the land of five rivers, has the fastest depleting water table, and yet they demand free electricity so they can pump it out more.
3. You say that new laws of the country will benefit the country's economy. But that wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. Do you really think that corporates will give a share of their profits to farmers? Look at what happened in USA. The goal of corporates of not to benefit farmers but their shareholders. More restrictions are required if at all this is allowed so that the conditions of farmers do not become worse than it currently is. Country's economy is for the benefit of the people and not the other way round!
The wealth is already in the hands of a few in any case. If you have any chance to visit a Aarat, you would know what I mean. The economic benefit of having private Mandis is less about freeing up the farmers and more about freeing up the Govt. Farmers, or the poor in general, has really very little space for breathing. Their benefit and welfare actually depends on the collective morality of the society more than anything else. However, private players would only ensure that the Govt. isn't compelled to buy the huge surplus produces, thereby locking up huge amount of money which isn't actually needed and can be spent in ailing sectors like health or education. Not to mention the huge costs that are involved in storing those surplus purchases. You don't need to believe me, just visit one of your local grocery stores and hear from him the perils of excess inventory, and if you are in any way linked with a manufacturing house, you should know it for yourself.
4. Discussions have been taking place for the last 10 years. But how long the discussion took place on this bill? 4 hours?
I don't have much to say about this and maybe they could have discussed a few more sessions or maybe even years. I only wonder how much discussion is enough, given that Cong already proposed something very similar to this, if not exactly this, in their UPA time proposals and also in their manifesto and that the only Left ruling state i.e. Kerala, has long scrapped the APMC laws themselves.
Regarding your concluding observations, well, I guess that's your personal opinion and you are free to do that. As far as KT being "not well informed", I would doubt that after having following him for years. I guess the only reason it might seem so is because he couldn't find enough loopholes in the arguments given.
Looking forward to your comments, and hopefully you would do a bit of research on FCI statistics and things like that before commenting.
Farmers are good people true Indians they must decide themselves about their future
This is the most perfect argument for why we need these reforms.
This is the only interview where I have heard a clear, honest and knowledgeable solution to the farmer's concerns. Prof. Gulati, India needs your wisdom for many many more years and Karan, as usual..India's best when it comes to meaningful interviewing 🤝👍
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
Dr Gulati has a point on inefficiencies of FCI and diversification but who is to blame and who needs to do what they must for encouraging diversification ...
this mess is all because of food security act tht was brought in by congress which assumed tht 2/3 of indians need food subsidy thus made provisions for massive procurement initiative for wheat and rice which was then to be distributed by the already inefficient and leak-prone PDS system..and thi act couldnt have come at a worse time a the population of india is rapidly moving away from poverty diet to nutritious diet where the diet is diversified and where rice and wheat play a small role...
@@sudheerkumar4421 Kaunsa India bhai? Look at our malnutrition statistics. PDS is needed, but I agree it needs better targeting and it needs to be modernised. PDS was introduced when India was calorie-deficient. Now we have a significant calorie surplus, but a nutrient deficiency.
The number of children we've malnourished and wasted is a crime against humanity, and even the more "pragmatic" people should understand that's a lot of economic potential we've also wasted.
If the government sets up and enforces an MSP on more than just wheat and rice, the farmers will diversify. It's like an MRP exists to protect us, an MSP exists to protect the farmers and ensure that crops are sold profitably. In the case of overproduction, unfortunately the government would have to step in and procure (like they do with wheat and rice, thousands of tonnes which rot in FCI godowns every year). But again, we should really be looking at export as well. We are the biggest exporter of rice in the world. A lot of it is from Punjab, because those farmers grow it knowing they have guaranteed price and procurement. This stuff is a no-brainer and people as brilliant as Dr. Gulati saying this kind of nonsense worries me about sheer extent of brainwashing of the neoliberal mind.
@@sudheerkumar4421 bro government need to follow decentralised approach
Different msp for different crops in different areas
MSP on wheat should continue in punjab haryana and on some vegetables and withdrawal from rice
Same approach should follow for other regions also
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
@@sukhveermaann5957 msp is a lagaan on tax payers who cough up the money so tht centre can buy overproduced harvest of millions of tonnes of wheat and rice...if the farmers are growing crops which are in demand they dont need msp...centre is oversubsidizing the punjab farmer with distorted subsidy in the form of msp for growing more wheat and rice which we dont need or dont have the capacity to store and distribute which is even more costly to do...punjab needs to be weaned from MSP addiction which will be ruinous in the long run to environment and prosperity of punjab...msp is like a drug addiction with diminishing returns...the first thing to come out of this is to stop overproduction by removing MSP or encouraging MSP to grow other commodities...there is no easy way...punjab groundwater level is dangerously low and will lead to environmental catastrophe soon...
From the frown in Karan’s face we understand how he is being bombarded with logic. Karan had to bring in Adani and Ambani. Why not Nestle, Pepsi etc. etc?
I think Karan did not do good job making cases. However, the main argument from Gulati, as I understand it, is mainly he trust companies that will enter the agicultural produce supply chain, which find it anectotal (I know he is making his own case). But from my point of view, as a farmers son, the story he tells that dairy has profited small farmers to be incredulous. In my experience, it is otherwise. I know many people in my village, including ourselves, loosing money and finding ourselves working for nothing.
It is not to say that I am against reforms, but I think it should be done keeping long term consequences in mind. I would not support collapse of mandis and thus detachment of governaments involvement in supply chain of agri produces. I would like governament to be part of it and intervening with price fluctuations. My fear is that, once the private companies invest capital they will chase profit and outgrowing compititon, and there is also monopolisation issue.
So, I still think that the newly implemented policy to be reviewed. I am sorry that Gulati failed to convince me. Even though I do agrre with some of his points.
Why Ahsani or Ambani can not purchase from Government with a fix price?. The margin will go to goverment.
@@SanthoshTotiger Exactly my point, and anyways private parties have this habit of hoarding and there are no safeguards against this in the acts
Nestle is very ethical corporation. Not like crony corporations of Adani’s and Ambanis.
@@balkaransidhu5334 Nestle isn't that ethical read how they have captured fresh water sources world wide. but then neither adani nor ambani are ethical also. corporation exist for one thing only to make profit. and most of them have no moral codes. its duty of the regulations and governments to make sure that rules are followed. @bhaskar dutta naming adani and ambani is same as naming nestle pepsi and coke as all of them represent corporate interest. and the issue is not opening farming sector its a progressive move. the issue is MSP , no civil courts involvement. MSP has never been a law before too. but i don't see how fixing the problem hurts BJP. and why not allow the farmers go to the courts rather than SDM. other issues can be ironed out too. fixing one problem with a second problem is not a solution. see the problem is every opposition hates what the cent govt in india does. and when they come to power they do the same. case in point GST. Mr modi was opposing it tooth and nail when he was CM of gujrat, and brought the same identical bill when he came to power and congress opposed it. so the joke is on people who support either of these party, cause economically both them are very bad for the country.
Prof.Gulati is quite convincing in his replies, makes a lot of sense, hence there is need to make the farmers understand the reality and move ahead with the new agri laws, in the interest of our country and also the poor peasantry of India.
Great interview.. Very informative and to the point. Thanks Karan. Karan is living best years of his journalism at the moment in my opinion
Karan is not smart at all. He tries to make a case for Congress. For example he did not bring up that this is being discussed since 2003. They make it seem like Modi just came up with this, he is making a decision that everyone else wanted to do. Every time he gets cornered,?he says point taken, let’s park it.. It’s all about Punjab and Haryana..
Experts in the field like Mr Gulati should be called for discussion on this subject in main stream TV also for everyone's benefit.
@Anirudh K I hope ppl in India can understand what he is saying.
Sensible talk!! But government's over confidence is killing rather than producing desired results for all stakeholders.
Govt wants to follow Western while keeping Eastern authenticity Which are two opposite ends of the rope.
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
@@SikhSaakhi nice insights and good points. The way Mr. Gulati replied on courts was not in line his approval for laws.
@@SikhSaakhi MP also has a higher farming population than Haryana or Punjab.
I think one of the factors we are missing is that Bihar , UP and MP also suffer from a demand and supply crisis , being comparatively poorer states when you look at the average income of people in Punjab and Haryana.
Having a higher farming population mean a lot of farmers being depressed.
Economists like Raghuram Rajan have blamed MSP hikes in the past for food inflation.
economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/policy/raghuram-rajan-blames-high-food-prices-on-frequent-minimum-support-price-hikes/articleshow/31058626.cms?from=mdr
On paper MSP for other crops sounds good and it might be beneficial for some farmers in short term , but when majority of Indians found high inflation and cut down their demand , then this will again bite back the farmer. One can ask Govt to subsidize , but even with the best of intentions subsiding and simultaneously cutting taxes is a deadlock , one has to find funds in order to subsidize.
Plus , the major thing is with involvement of robotics and machine learning, into farming , there is a great technological disruption threat to farming ,Also Global warming and water scarcity can add further chaos in the near future. Technically we need to grow more with less water and less land in order for sustainable development.
For eg, Google has started using robot technology for soya beans www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/google-turns-farmer-with-project-mineral-its-robots-are-growing-soybeans-and-strawberries-1731090-2020-10-13
Within a few years , this techology can move to other crops and with a stupendous farming surplus , corporates like Google can start exporting agricultural produce at lower rates than Indian MSP to Indian food industries , which can disrupt the Indian farmers even more.
Hence private investment is needed in farming now more than ever. At the same time govt should focus on empowering the farmers to have an upper hand against the corporates to prevent exploitation.
But I am very sure the world won't need the same number of human farmers in 2030 , because technology will change the game completeley.
@@GauravSharma-oh8po We need to understand one thing MSP means its MINIMUM to sustain farming. Anyone who tries to justify against MSP is actually advocating neoliberal policies in the favor of corporates, be it Raghuram Rajan.
MSP leading to food inflation is ridiculous. For ex. farmer gets Rs2 per kg for Potato, but the consumer pays Rs20. If MSP comes out to be Rs6 per kg, three times what the farmer gets now. Would you blame it for food inflation?
Govt still can easily manage the prices for consumer @ Rs20.
The difference between consumer price and farmer's earning is huge, MSP can easily be ensured while maintaining inflation. But it requires political will, as it is against the interest of corporates who fund the corrupt govt. Govt merely does announcement of MSP, but farmer actually are forced to sell much below the MINIMUM survival cost. This is the real reason of farmers' distress.
MP despite being a major producer of pulses (so-called high value diversified crop), has the highest rate of farmer scuide. Because they don't get the price of their produce. Read this: www.indiaspend.com/why-thousands-of-farmers-marched-to-delhi-kolkata-and-mumbai-answers-and-anger-in-indias-fastest-growing-farm-economy/?fbclid=IwAR2fYl8KqeFqEFmskbY6carYv3x2RJ51s8UlsfvVPJe1580qC96IF69YmJs
The legalization of MSP on 23 to 27 crops will be the best thing for agriculture and farmers. This will ensure wealth directly to farmers, at least 50% of the population. This will boost the economy as never before. But neoliberal economists don't support this as they have arguments of competing in the international market, govt scarcity of budgets, etc, and confuse the public with macro-economic jargon instead of specifics about this draconian law. The real reason is that the MSP guarantee will ensure the distribution of wealth, which is not in the interest of capitalists and politicians. Watch this interaction. th-cam.com/video/l7np6Sf4ySk/w-d-xo.html
Hope you aware of the devastation that these capitalists have created. Kindly go thru a detailed report on Adani prepared by Australians. There is no reason to trust them in their dealing with marginal farmers.
Adani has a documented history of corruption, bribery, and human rights abuses across the world.
It has no regard for its own workers or the law, much less the environment or the local communities it works in. It operates with a vicious mentality where human or environmental damage is par for the course.
Pls check:
adanifiles.com.au/
Farmers' agitation is in fact resistance towards the super-rich. At least we can do is support them whole-heartedly. We cannot compare the super-rich of US with that of India. US govt gives sufficient unemployment allowance to get nutrition. India hosts the world's largest population of hunger, malnutrition. India ranks poorly 94 out of 107 countries in the hunger index 2020, below Nepal, Bangladesh & Pakistan. In a quarter when India's GDP slipped by -23%, the wealth of Ambani, Adani increased by the same proportion or even more. This inequality is appalling and incomparable to any country.
One must understand the Mandi system in Punjab and Haryana is one of the best in the world. This should become part of every discussion. It's shortcomings need to be addressed and then roll it over all across. Surplus of Wheat & Rice needs to be sorted out by ensuring MSP on 27 crops, not only on two.
In Punjab, under the APMC Act, a tax of 8.5 per cent is levied, which includes six per cent by the state (3 per cent APMC market fee + 3 per cent rural development cess), and 2.5 per cent commission for the arhatiyas (commission agents). Punjab has one of the best rural infrastructure built by rural development cess. Is there any provision to take control of rural infrastructure in the absence of this fund?
These 3 laws are draconian. They neither serve farmers nor to the consumers, they are meant for the super-rich.
People need to be aware of the specifics of the law, but economists like Gulati & Gurcharan Das give confuse with macro-economic aspects.
One Example which Karan should have asked regarding The Essential Commodities (Amendment) Ordinance, 2020.
"Stock limit: The Ordinance requires that imposition of any stock limit on agricultural produce must be based on price rise. A stock limit may be imposed only if there is: (i) a 100% increase in retail price of horticultural produce; and (ii) a 50% increase in the retail price of non-perishable agricultural food items. The increase will be calculated over the price prevailing immediately preceding twelve months, or the average retail price of the last five years, whichever is lower."
This clearly means in the name of 'price control,' the law actually promotes inflation. It says govt will interfere only if price of X commodity gets inflated by 100%, for ex, from Rs100 to Rs200. It will be OK to govt if it remains at Rs199. In other words, if the price of X goes up from Rs100 to Rs199 in first year then to Rs397 in the second year, govt will not interfere and will allow corporates to hoard. How can someone justify this? This is anti-consumers law. Farmers are actually fighting for all those who eat.
Why govt cannot make compulsary for private traders and in contract farming to pay not less than MSP if they buy from farmers?
That's the worst possible policy.
Demand and supply is the heart of the new reforms.
If that is done. First no company will pay at price higher than market price. Thus no law abiding foreign companies or big national companies will enter the market. 2nd, it'll become a replica of the current apmc system with no additional benefit.
Agriculture will be the only sector where free market policy won't work. Everything else like milk poultry works on that policy.
3rd, the whole problem of overproduction is linked to MSP. Unless there's a market based system that signals over production or underproduction, no farmers will EVER change the produce.
We should immediately abolish any subsidy provided to the farmers (including fertilizer, electricity, msp) and remove farm or any other land owning restrictions for big corporate. This will dramatically improve India's farm productivity due to better mechanizations, seeds, farming policy and marketing strategy. At the same time we should try to move farmers away from farming to manufacturing industries. This is the only way to
1. Prevent farmer suicides
2. Increase farmer's income sharply (less or close to the 2x as promised)
What if the private players buy products only/always using MSP. They will never increase the price for farmers. Their will never be competition
this is one of the best interviews done by Mr. Karan Thapar, Thank you sir
Prof Ashok Gulati is a learned and Respected man , Karan is no match and ended up exposing his political alignment and tried to turn the whole conversation But Prof Gulati managed to bring it back in control
These people don't see inflation on Sabun Baar or Colgate or fake honey.
Bhai ration ki dukan se khareed lia kr
sbko milta hai ration card, non BPL ko bhi
This is not the way economy run.
@@RD-pp9ds vo BHI khatam hone wala hai bro. PDS system after these reforms in Agricultural sector. Paisa ayega account mein bas.
@@bapu108 tere sitharaman ko pooch kaise chalti hai
@Sara S jatt are more prosperous than Banias in Punjab
I think this this is best discussion that I understood something. Other news channels are only busy making news........🙏🙏🙏
Professor Gulati was also on The Print with Mr. Gupta. The Print has multiple times invited Professor Gulati, much before any news channel did on this issue. The Print is more towards a centrist channel, than being a rightist or a leftist channel. Not 100% politically correct, still much better than many channels, (even much much more than this one).
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
It was a good interview, learnt few new things specially against reduction of water table and diversity of crops.
Milk, poultry, edible oil have minimum-to-nil Govt intervention. Are the farmers involved in those sectors richer or poorer than crop farmers??? The answer lies there.
Sir, in Bihar 2006 apmc closed and this same law brought. Now kisan no getting msp. Forget msp, the private man, does not buy on even half of msp. Because ke san cannot store for ever and have to sell fast. Makka msp 1800 but force to sell at 1100. Pax also doesn't buy. Punjab Haryana is lucky they have msp.
@@pankaj5080 Bihar abolished APMC in 2006. You are right. Please check Bihar's agricultural growth since 2006. It is better than the national average & much better than that of Punjab/Haryana. The reason why Bihari farmers' average income has not increased with an increase in agricultural output is because way too many people in Bihar are involved in agriculture (much more than required). Bihar's lack of industries means most people (about 80%) continue to be employed in farming. Understand this simple thing.
Bihari farmers weren't better off before 2006. Their incomes were still low. If anything those incomes post 2006 have only increased. Why they haven't increased by much is because of the dense population & lack of an alternative to farming.
@@pankaj5080 Bihari farmers didn't get MSP even when the APMC structure existed in the state. Please get rid of the misnomer that APMCs buy at MSP. They don't. Government procures the surplus at MSP & even that process is riddled with corruption by FCI officials in cohorts with middlemen of the market. MSP is not a solution in an agricultural scenario where farmers are producing surplus. Incentivise them through other sources but please not price controls. Price controls in the long run actually keep the farmers poorer.
@@anshumanmahanty6044 bihar 100 rs increase to 150. So 50% increase.
Punjab 100000 increase to 110000. Only 10% increase. Not fair comparison. Offcourse apmc buy rice and wheat at msp, check any mandi in Punjab.
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
Private investment in agriculture will only make the supply chains more efficient & help farmers realise better prices & also give end consumers more value for their money.
Not Andani and Ambani who are looters.
@@bangaluru1 how much they looted from you till now??
@@bangaluru1 stop using youtube.Stop using google,facebook,Twitter,instagram,whatsapp,apple products,redmi products,one plus etc etc etc they are all looters.Will you???why only adani and ambani
That will increase diversification and also productivity to twice and thrice
@@bangaluru1 give me one example of malpractice by them?
Why farmers not involved in their policy making ? If u have any concern then why not any incentive given for encourage to produce alternative crops.
Is it not what Mr.Gulati saying?
Why msp should high for alternative crops ?
is the patient involved in treating cancer? If farmers knew what it better, most of them would not be horrible state now... this is a game changer legislation..
@@darkved1 yes doctors give brief about their treatment to patients. And get permission that they can start
@@darkved1 get education lol
Sir, I was waiting for listening to you on this issue.
I am glad you came out with your list, nobody asks the right question at the right point as you do.
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
@@SikhSaakhi first of all those two were fool and soviet Sickie for mentioning msp as law
Do u know how harmful msp is?
Msp causes inflation from increase in price from seeds to fertilizers to production
Msp has became a maximum support price
Msp in some crops is higher than international prices
How can u force them to buy at higher than market price.They will simply import it
That's why farmers were protesting against rcep
ICRAI confirmed that indian farmers lost 45 lakh crore in last 15 years because of msp
And most importantly income will increase through productivity not msp
And because of msp even those farmers who sell at higher price than msp will get less price
@@SikhSaakhi government is ready to give in written for that but even they cannot make it a law
Go on and force msp as a law and then msp will be gone for because of WTO
And even your devendar sharma and p sainath knows this
@@amantiwari4987 Farmers are fighting for their rights. It doesn't matter if the aggressor is PM hired by Ambani Adani or WTO.
@@SikhSaakhi MSP is not their right
U just want urself to be rich and let other states farmers suffer
U hesitate to diversify even after having 99% irrigation facility and enjoying all the subsidies
Msp is not a minimum income as income depends on productivity
Go on and demand for only your state
U soviet sickies want to ruin india through msp when u don't have any facts
Good to hear Dr Gulati, much appreciated. Thank you Mr Thapar for the great interventions.... thanks once again
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
pls call prof sukhpal singh for an interview too.
@Sara S Dr sukhpal is a dimwit.
Prof. Gulati: I am happy they still faith in the civil court :)
I can rebuttle to each n every answere of Ashok Gulati.... The bottom line is: Ashok Gulati is a seasoned n soft spoken broker of corporate....
I agree with you
Yes I agree with you I don’t like topper brought this person on his show
@@champisagooSF 100%👌
Please refute so that we can have other side of story... don't just throw a sentence....
You should .A point by point rebuttle would make a nice read.
Water! Depleting Water Table DUE TO the farming of RICE ! Even if it's a fact to some extent , why don't you start the change with repealing Coca Cola and other relevant companies producing and trading cold drinks in this country ?!!! They use at least five times more water ! Water used in paddy fields and for growing other crops comes back to NATURE in some way or other and contributes to the real sustainable growth of the people . But "Cokes" ? Allowing the companies to monopolize the Indian MARKET, at the same time allowing them to take huge loans from our nationalized banks repeatedly and non-repayment of those loans continually for years after years and for ever --- then "thankfully" depending on the same corporates for "providing" us with the access to the MARKET which they own at the expense of the people's money on which THE PEOPLE OF INDIA themselves have no OWNERSHIP ! This you call ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT/ ECONOMIC GROWTH??? The apriories of these "expert" opinions and arguments on Agricultural Economy are SUICIDAL for the people, environment and economy as well!
25:00 should put to rest once and for all the mis-statements that there were no consultations before implementing the laws. I was guilty of buying the line myself.
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
You are guilty of only noticing the lines you like 😜
Good one ....great interview
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
@@SikhSaakhi Excellent points!!
@@SikhSaakhi wt is ur opinion? Reform or no reform? For farm laws or against it?
@@naveenrajamannar3202 I'm Against farm laws. They are black laws not reforms.
@@SikhSaakhi what if they bring an amendment saying, this is not compulsory those who want it can apply and avail it? Would you say we will not even allow others to avail it, those who think otherwise and have a different opinion from u?
The BJP must implement these laws in BJP ruled States such as MP, UP, Bihar for five years and suspend these laws for the Sates of Punjab Haryana, Himachal Rajasthan. If the Farmers of MP
Absolutely. Central Govt should allow any state to opt out of these laws. FCI will buy from states who adopt these laws and for those states who think central govt is evil can have their system
Govt should do experiment in Bihar,
But they want land of punjab that's why they want implement here
This is a fairly good idea
If the bill is implemented only in BJP lead states, other states will loose the jobs, GST revenue due to these improved. Then you will blame BJP for creating market unfair for Punjab.
Respected sir,
Bihar already abolished apmc in 2006 before this bihar,'s growth rate was just 2 percent and now it is growing at 8 percent Bihar is classic case study
As a farmer's son and agriculturist I would like to say that Trade and Business is different in service industry like Air Lines and others than Agricultural Industry. Service Industries is backed by necessary financial help through commercial Banks and big business houses vanish taking away huge money of people leaving Non Performing Assets for Government to own with no value or any security. Only during '20 point program' time, Agriculture industry got help in Poultry Farming, Goat Farming, Fish Farming, Landless farmers, etc., from banks due to our late PM Indira Gandhi who was for poor and needy and intended to bring their income up. In case of these 3 bills necessary process of the house is not at all observed and pushing big agricultural market reforms which affect millions of people of the country without any serious public consultation itself is the receipt for farmers unrest. If one analyze the bills it will be noticed that all the three bills are totally detrimental for farmers interest. It will only lead to more farmers death through suicide. Getting major reform right requires deep consensus building, negotiating and engagement of stake holders beneficiaries which is totally missing. These bills are not going to liberate farmers but it is going to prove death knell and death warrants to farmers. It is going to make farmers poor and sell their lands in frustration and will make rich few business house with high profits through many means of corruption.
Agriculture has become a speciality occupation. It requires multi dimensional skill and enormous risk taking ability. Sooner we realise this, better off we will be
@@ganesanmuthiah4142
Farmers of the country today are educated. They know agriculture economics well. Farmers do take so many risks for themselves in their agriculture profession. But here case is that of handing over farmers in the hands of few big business houses and multi national corporations who will only play with game of corruption and with motive of high profit making. Indian farmers will be at mercy of few rich people and business houses and these agricultural reform Bills are going to be death warrant for Indian Farmers. Bills are lacking and missing many legal measures for farmers to address.
Very sad situation
Mr. Thapar Justice Katju was the first suggested to keep this Law aside interviewed in Satya hindi social media.
@@moderatortoerrishuman1222 in that case both are suggesting to implement sooner or later BUT with appropriate correction..m I right? BUT
Kisans says repeal this Laws n make new laws with suggestion n legal protection.
Which side should be listen...those who have majority in Parliament or profound majority on Road.?
@@moderatortoerrishuman1222kisan union telling the same thing. Is there any solution to weaken this laws by making new laws parallel?
@@moderatortoerrishuman1222 not suffering but enjoying Arrogance 🤔
@@moderatortoerrishuman1222 😊 TV I dont have..hence I watch all social media news,, ishara bhi deti hai. Sacchai bhi check karti hai..I connect all news with each other. n understand .
Since 2016 I think Modi started telling all the Kisan that your income shall be double in 2022..and he gave many scheme to kisan so positivity bani rahe n then one day zatka dene me pareshani na ho. But ...the day one Austrlian came with Playcard Dont give loan to Adani. Why the reply we feel by kisan aandolan.
@@moderatortoerrishuman1222 thank you Sir.😊
One of the best interviews I have seen on TH-cam.
F. U too where the tools farmer can use without selling the big cheating greed peoples What protections for farmers
Farmers need help and guidance during the transition period, so they see the benefits of the new laws.
You’ll alway get 1 in 10 that don’t agree. Farmers need to move with the times, and go with supply and demand with new produce to make money.
Great talk...hope the two questions that were left aside will be asked in future!
Milk price in maharashtra for the farmers came down to rs 17 from rs3o but consumers were paying 48 rs
Productivity increase hui kn btayega?
Karan Sir I request you to interview Dr. Devender Sharma ,agriculture scientist, now to have the other point of view from him in the context of your interview with Mr. Gulati
I agree with you 👍
He is an activist, not a scientist.
Already India Today had debate with Devinder Sharma vs other agriculture reformist Gurucharan Das & other + agriculture adviser Siraj Hussain since 2005 of GOI who favored bills. No need to call Devi again & again for voicing what farmers are demanding as now entire India knows what farmers are saying since 2 weeks & enough. But now need to listen other views too what GOI is trying to do.
He is an idiot - supports paying farmers for something which is needless and not required.
How can we say that all small farmers will cope up without empowering them? Amul took years together to come to this level. Do u see private sector has fair play in medical industry?
Bhai bolne se phele dekh le
Government 10000 fpo bna rhi ar unhe support bhi degi 3-4 saal
Talk on agriculture
Poultry,horticulture,milk are agri based
Medical private industries give better salary to doctors means here to farmers
@aman Bhai inse mat jid
@@amantiwari4987 Bhai 2477 APMC already established !! Still MSP is not adhered why do you think FPO will change the game? If our PM is repeatedly supporting MSP then why cant they pass one more ordinance which says buying crops below MSP is punishable offence.
@@amantiwari4987 BOSS sure they give better salary to doctors but as patients in this case we the consumer will need to take food insurance Just like medical insurance !!
Ashok Gulati 🙏 thanks for laying out all the point in perfect manner. Diversification is required. Because government can't do all the work. Private sector needs to enter to compensate some. Because I seen only farmers from Punjab and Haryana have some issues. Because they are afraid they will not earn enough, giving them some package would be a great idea. I support if everything you said will be done in this manner.
India is lucky to have people like Ashok Gulaati as Dr Bhaba ,Dr Swaminathan , and JRD Tata were to India in the past but earlier we had our journalist and news makers who understood the change supporting the change unlike now ?
MSP was a logical move during food scarcity times. But now we have surplus.
Yes
Who made the surplus.Does govt want to punish farmer for growing more food grains? Remember the times when India was begging food grains from Amrica.Leades are thankless persons as they now want to ruin the farmer for making India self reliant in food grains.
@@basdevsingh3591 farmers in Punjab shouldn't grow more and more wheats and rice now.
@@basdevsingh3591 thing is they are growing wrong crop .
Supply and demand .
@@bhargavk9632 yes u r right but is government' new laws help this
I have doubts on that
Instead government should follow decentralised approach by withdrawing MSP on rice but introducing msp on 2 other less water requiring crops in punjab haryana
Same approach should follow in other regions
Perfectly Incisive tonight compared to consecutive last two interviews. Congrats from your regular viewer.
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
@@SikhSaakhi To answer: (1) What is the source of this information that Bihar and UP farmers sell their crops in Punjab mandi? By law, this is forbidden under the APMC act. Even if we assume that it is done, the real issue is surplus grain and not who sells where. We need diversification of crops and Punjab is seriously on the backfoot in that regard. Abohar-Jodhpur Cancer express is witness to what the current farming in Punjab has resulted into.
(2) Diversification is just one of the requirements for growing the farmer's income and not the sole method to achieve so. Here we are talking about opening the markets which is another step. When diversification meets the open market then sustainable agro production is ensured. For example, the poultry industry in this country has been growing at a rate of 8.5% per year compared to farming just at 2.5%. You will give an example of Bihar saying the APMC law doesn't exist there and diversification is still not helping the farmers. Well, the reason is you need to frame policies that will attract the private players as well. When people like you are hell-bent to blame Adani and Ambani for every misery then how can they come to any state which doesn't welcome them or any other private investor like Nestle etc?
(3) There is no concept of MSP on milk, poultry, and many such agro-based products, and yet Amul and Nestle are the best examples of increasing the farmer revenues including the farmers with small landholding. It would help if you look at the existing examples of REASONABLE SIZE rather than just assuming what will and can happen. Let me introduce you to economics 101, the demand and supply dynamics work to bring the price in equilibrium unless there is an unnatural perturbation like the current COVID pandemic or a big company going bankrupt. Why do you think the Aashirvaad brand of wheat flour is sold at a constant rate year-round despite the fact that wheat grows only in one season? Legalizing MSP on crops is anti-thesis to one's right to do business. If I want to do business then I should be able to negotiate prices on the raw materials. This negotiation depends on market forces, if the demand for a certain crop is less then negotiation will be intense and vice versa if the demand goes high. This is how prices are determined in a free market.
(4) No it will not resolve any issue, rather it will create another issue of illegal trading at lower prices which the Punjab Adhatias ( brokers ) sitting on dharnas at the Delhi border have been doing until now. The farmer is always a pressure to sell the crop once its harvested; the buyer will wait until the farmer is desperate enough to sell informally at a lower price. The current law allows farmers to set a contract before farming which sets the price and hence the desperation goes away.
(5) I would like to see such govt reports. Besides, it can be a perception based report. Having worked on RURBAN projects I can assure one thing that BJP govt is anything but neo-liberal.
(6) I will agree with this point. But once the govt has agreed to then it should be considered a non-issue. Lessons are learnt the hard way.
(7) SDM is definitely a faster way to resolution and if certain section doesn't agree to it then they can have the option to go to the civil courts. However, in all practical reasons, small marginal farmers can not afford the cost of the legal battle. Hence irrespective of what you have perceived about the mentality of Prof. Gulati, SDM is still a better place to resolve the issue.
(8) Dude/Gal, this is called business strategy. Adani is not doing anything outlier. You always calculate and find strategic locations to do business and this is that strategy only. Besides I am unable to understand this unnecessary rant against Adani-Ambanis given that they have generated so much of employment and wealth for the citizens of this country. It seems you were happy paying Airtel Rs250 for 1GB of data which now costs Rs6/GB after the arrival of Jio.
(9) The leaders ( MPs, MLAs and other politicians) all are elected representatives of the people which includes farmers. These communists, socialist and Marxist unions have given nothing but destruction, unemployment, and economic harm to this country. Once a net exporter of copper (one of the largest) to the world now India is an importer of the metal after the same Marxist unions and NGOs forced the Sterlite plant to shut down. If farm laws were such trouble they can be challenged in every way in the Supreme Court. These unions can get all the time and space to put their point in front of the same judiciary which they propose to be included to sort out the contract matters under the new law.
@@pungavaD All of your concerns are addressed in the essay. Kindly go thru: www.sikhsaakhi.com/blog/farm-bills-2020-reforms-or-black-laws-stakeholders-understand-well
@@SikhSaakhi read your blog article. Again it's the same rhetoric of assumptions with no data to support. To highlight only one, MSP guarantee; only question is if govt is expected to give guarantee on MSP then who will give the guarantee on the quality of the product?? I hope you don't expect people being hired to quality control them products. Besides, MSP guarantee is a serious impediment to incentivise productivity. Why should govt give guarantee on 23 crops and figure out ways to sell the purchase on that market? Govt job is governance, not business. People just like farmers do business. It's not new for the Marxists to find blame in open market. Earlier it was Tata-Birla now they have new term Adani-Ambani. Irony about you is that your are using the entire tech ecosystem right from computer, internet to mobile phone with 4G connectivity, all brought by the same capitalist and yet can't find a reason to live with them. It is because of Jio only that the data price came down to Rs6/GB from Rs250/GB, giving you the chance to be online watching long duration videos like above and comment on crony capitalism.
The irony and misery of mankind is the outcome of perceptions that unskilled workers should be paid just enough to keep their souls within their bodies, and experts who can juggle numbers and interpret statics and give a view that if they are believed things will fall in place need to be paid more, is a see-saw of history.
Peasantry??
Based 6% farmer govt can't make policy but 1% industrialist make policy on their favor
1% industrailists pay tax, employ crores of tax paying people unlike 6% who loot the govt, destroy water table, cause pollution. India doesn't need these people to farm. Every state has sufficient production.
@@bapu108 for your information 30% tax are comming from individuals..rest 70% indirect source GST,petrol, custom etc.. when you're saying industrialist it comes up under individuals tax payer.. where as agriculture contributes 20% of our GDP.. 45% of employment source in India..
Question is not that.. Govt is powerful.. why people are advocating govt policy if you are paying tax question govt
Ca saab ye arguement se taxmen ko ho ghumana hume may ghumao
The problem is that whole policy is to benefit the trader, this professor is advocate of traders. He wants to buy at very cheap rate from farmers and sell high rate to consumers
Coming back to this wonderful interview [again] after the recent repeal of the farm laws! But this issue is going to persist and not going away! This was such a well-balanced interview of both sides of the argument!
Shows the complexity of the agricultural condition of India over the last several decades. From what I gathered, India has transitioned from the major grain shortages of the 1960s to the present times where there is an apparent surplus lying in warehouses, but this has come at a huge cost: subsidies, inefficiencies, human toll and environmental degradation (lower water table, soil desertification, pollution).
Also, shows why the farmers from states like Punjab and Haryana (India's granaries) are worried since they are the prime beneficiaries of the MSP policy on Wheat and Paddy via the APMCs, which is under threat! While vast majority of the farmers elsewhere are not benefiting from the MSP policy and deal mostly with private parties! The FCI overhead and leakage was shocking to hear!
Clearly, Ashok Gulati is a promoter of neoliberalism (market capitalism, deregulation, etc) as opposed to enforcing MSPs! Few of his solutions are: providing income support to the farmers as a condition to diversify to higher value products, formation of farmer producer organizations (FPOs), prevent corporate monopolies via regulation, and so on! On the other hand, folks like P Sainath are wanting more government intervention and support and in this specific case, a legal and universal enforcement of MSP for all crops and by all parties [APMC or private!].
Excellent and outstanding interview very useful.. Clearly indicates why Reforms will benefit by reducing marketing costs. Also indicates surplus management is different from deficit management
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
He’s got sense .... why doesn’t the Govt put him on table with the farmers.
Great session 👍🏼
Sir, milk is not stored in original for long time whereas crops can b hold for long pd.
Even then milk is cheaper than a litre of water
What about poultry horticulture? Ye bhi agriculture hi hai
KT's famous phrase in every interview when interviewee starts countering him with facts & figures , "Let's not get into details."
If the purpose of interviewing an expert is not to get into the details of an issue, then rather than conducting an interview, KT should host a ranting show like others associated with wire do.
He did not work for farmer in his forty year of professional life but for wto, OMG And ultra rich industrial
Question : when the farmers are protesting in Delhi, who is taking care of their farms? Labour from UP and Bihar for below minimum wages. These farmers are Jaagirdars.
Are these farmers ready to give their workers minimum labour charges or do they give them market price
@@ganesanmuthiah4142 they have their family members to look after them, and dihadi mazdoors have their fixed daily wages thats why they move to other states in the first place. Are they being paid minimum wages in rest of country too. Atleast you guys should be thankful that they don't kick them out like they did in Maharashtra. If you would have spent half the amount of brain power you spend in questioning farmers, in asking the questions to govt. Then we won't be in such a turmoil in the first place
@@jagpreetsingh6818 abe minimum wage ar product or crop ke minimum price me difference hai
Lol he has spend two decades for this
Mr. Ashok Gulati words have some weigh but the govt. have already failed to put farmers under confidence and I think it's now too late.
Take the case of milk. It is imported as milk powder every year. Every year there is shortage. So how can you apply that to wheat and other produce which is rotting in FCI godowns because of lack of demand. So may be dr Gulati should read up on supply and demand elasticity
Thanks Karan Thapar sir.
Excellent conversation.
What does he think about farmers suicide in Maharashtra and Telangana and other places
Why doesn't Mr. Gulati have a direct debate with the farmer's unions and explain these points? I feel like his points only make sense to the Glenlivet class.
@@rishabhagarwal4702 dude, it's plain and simple - POLITICS...both sides of the aisles are culprits
@@rishabhagarwal4702 I'm not aware of any farmers unions asking for these reforms but I'm also not an expert on the subject. Yes, I have heard of congress as well as other parties being on both sides of these reforms at different points of time. I just fail to believe that farmers from every state in the country are so stupid as to unanimously oppose these laws if they are so good for them. You'd think there would be more divided opinions among them. When you look at some of the details, there's a lot that is overly industry friendly and suppressive of the farmer, for example jail for stubble burning and settlement of disputes outside courts. I fail to see how that helps farmers. I've seen 3 interviews by Mr. Gulati where he makes his argument using his personal charisma instead of facts. For example, the milk and Amul example he always gives is an anomaly. You can't expect Reliance Fresh to uphold the same ethical standards as Amul. I wish Mr. Gulati went against interviewers who were willing to question him more instead of accepting his arguments based on his reputation.
He is stupid person he can’t face farmers even a Amit Shah fail to face the farmers they could not reply how he can the leaders of the farmers are highly educated
This first time in India that reforms are being done with no coercion from anywhere, and purely for the good for country. Prof Gulati is right on every single point. Karan, with all his contempt for this government, failed to debate on logic. He can’t refute facts as well as basic economics.
Thanks sir for giving insight of the issue.
Do this interview in some Hindi channels in(Hindi) prime time ,so that more audience can understand
10:17 I couldnt believe for a moment that Karan Thapar asked if he could interrupt Mr. Gulati....He asked before interrupting..I mean HE ASKED😂
Go and do some more home work,Mr Karan
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
@@SikhSaakhi man yours must the longest comment i have ever seen lol
AANNA IS BACK ....🙄💥💥💥
So !!!!
Declare farming as a business and treat them at par with other businesses. Tax all the income. Give rebates to small farmers and give state support in other forms like seeds electricity etc.
A term was coined during the period of emergency to describe the character of the people like which are participating in the instant programme.Concern for Human dignity unresistably forbids me to publicly state the same here, though some people may have gathered, as to what I mean to say here, otherwise .But it is highly disgusting, frustrating &stunning to note that this is happening on a media platform like" Wire",where I had thought that the term "reform" is not used and costrued in the meaning in which the same is used these days in the modern economics .This programme puts a question mark on the credentials and the credibility of the channel of being Public oriented/spirited channel.
When was wire public oriented? It is spirited I agree.
Truth generally hurts.
Indoan farmers are poor because they ard taking more risk not commendurate with the rewards. Need of the hour is to correct this imbalance.
Nope, it's becoz there are too many farmers.
@@manubhatt3 Too many farmers means too much competition, excess supply, less returns. In ANY business success and failure ALWAYS depends on risk reward equation if there is no management incompetencies.
Agitation is for ownership of land... Freedom... Guarantee for MSP... Even if govt dont give ys guarantee for MSP... We r happy with APMC mandees... We just dont want this new contract farming bills... Bcoz we dont want to do contract farming... Take ur shity bills back ... And we will go back to homes..
Who is forcing anyone to do contract farming BTW?
@@rajatpachauri7349 Read all three bills combined. You will understand.
@@rajandeepsinghbhullar4894 I have sir.
Nice discusstion ... First time ever came across someone who has brains ...
Dr. Ashok Gulati you are a master in the subject. Hope we control this street strike, even if it means keep it on hold for 3 to 6 months and explain the fact to the farmers.
By the way like ppl say Mr. Thapar please pay attention to your guest.
Aaj wire ko hard hitting journalsim ka ehsaas ho gaya😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I was pretty shocked with this interview. I dont miss a single interview on your channel as there is so much to understand but this interview was something different. now since you have taken his opinion why dont you invite Vandana Shiva and take her opinion. Im sure you are well aware of her achievements in the field of agriculture.
Truth shocks.
Thanks a lot sir for your vedioes.
Experts like Prof Gulati should be heard to when it comes to Agri policy matters not to Yogendra Yadav.
Only one agronomist is in favour of this anti farmer bils. That's Mr. Gulati. Mr. Thapar, you shouldn’t loss your time.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Only one?
Which newspaper do you read or do you even read anything?
@@RD-pp9ds I'm not at your level. You’re great. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ashok Gulati
Shekhar Gupta
Amitabh Kant
Are all seasoned n soft spoken broker... Of corporate
Yes I agree with you
Those mandi agents in Punjab have tasted Ever increasing MSP year after year. This gave steady income for them. For farmers, they get money immediately they produce.
This led to surplus production of rice and wheat in Punjab, Haryana and UP. About 90 lakh tonnes of these grains go rotten. Why govt should encourage such repeat production of these food grains. This continuous farming of rice and wheat have raised the sibsidised electricity too.
Govt should encourage oil seeds and pulses in between.
These Mandi operators free electricity for producing rice and wheat and easily get increased MSP every year. The commission is perenial for these Mandi oprs and tax for state govt and central govt.
Tax payers money is not for over production and rotting food grains.
In the talks, govt should get assurance from farmers to grow pulses in between.
Up to certain qty , govt can give higher MSP.....but after adequate acquisition of foodgrains, they should lower the MSP.
Now, we know why these Mandi operators are fighting?
What is true of Nestle is not necessarily true of the others metioned. Really relevant and probing questions. Fantastic job.
Professor Gulati completely slammed Karan Thapar. Simply awesome !
Suspend the Farm Reforms for 6-months is the worst idea from the Agricultural Expert - He is defending his ass.
Taujee tawey par,
Wah modi wah 😂
Its not about suspending but building communication ,trust and patch the holes in the reforms
I grow rice during the monsoon so how could I be depleting the water table?
Its not about you and I, studies are done on the basis of statistics and science. Its a well know fact that Punjab has been using its ground water for the paddy irrigation. One of the reason is almost free electricity to farmers in Punjab which is being missused ultimately leading to depletion of groundwater. When land is irrigated with standing water for a long time, it leads to soil alkalinity which reduces its fertility. And, the surplus amount of paddy also leads to more and more pollution (stubble burning). But the state govts never increase the electricity cost for its vote bank politics which is ultimately leading to a disaster for the farmer themselves. That is what proffesor has said that Punjab should move to diversify its crops. The whole MSP policy is actually encouraging the farmer to grow more and more paddy and wheat. At the same time if the farmer diversify its crops he/she can earn better with the new farm laws(due to reduced intermediaries costs), thanks!
Now so much water has flown down that suspension of Bills alone shall not work
The expert planning went into demonetisation with disastrous results for all. These farm laws have seeds of huge discontent that'd be more harmful than Niti Ayog calculations.
I wish the next interview will be with Devendra Sharma or P Sainath.
Either Karan Thapar was poorly prepared on the specific concerns embedded in the Farm laws or he deliberately put soft questions on Prof Gulati to give strength to the Govt narrative. Karan kept on saying 'I take your point' instead of putting counter questions:
1) Ashok Gulati was so easily let off go to discard concerns of Punjab & Haryana on the pretext of surplus in wheat & rice. Why he was not asked that even states of Bihar and UP sell their Wheat & Rice in the mandis of Punjab. So the FCI godowns in Punjab carry food grains from other states also. Obviously, farmers don't get better prices in UP & Bihar, not even for the so-called higher-value crops.
2) Ashok Gulati said that other states have diversified better than Punjab & Haryana and shifted to higher-value crops. But has the income of farmers gone higher than the farmers of Punjab & Haryana? MP is one of the largest producers of pulses but also has one of the highest rates of farmer suicide.
3) If the govt does not assure procurement at MSP either by private player or by govt authority, farmer income can never be increased. Note MSP literally means MINIMUM. Below this price, the survival of a farmer is not possible. Govt has to ensure minimum survival.
4) The surplus issue of wheat & rice (water table, stubble burning) will get resolved if govt makes MSP legalized on all the 23 to 27 crops. This will automatically shift farmers to other valuable crops as it will guarantee a return.
5) Why Karan failed to question that there are a number of Govt reports that suggest that the adoption of neoliberal policies is to ensure that farmers move out of farming and villages? Why these laws be not seen as a step towards that?
6) Gulati smilingly distanced itself from the question of 'SDM to resolve the dispute instead of courts.' He said the minister has agreed to make amendments to this law. But isn't he is aware that this minor agreement has come after the farmers choked the capital. Farmers were protesting for more than 2 months in Punjab. But Govt showed no interest in listening to them. Now the entire narrative is being built that the laws are good but govt failed to convey the benefits. Why it should not be believed that govt deliberately doesn't wish to take farmers in confidence as they don't have answers to their genuine questions?
7) Gulati even argued that SDM can resolve faster than courts and said that he is happy to note that farmers still trust the judiciary. While it's true that trust in the judiciary is also at the lowest point. But if you understand this, then what gives you confidence that farmers should trust in the Laws passed under the garb of reforms. Is he trying to say that farmers should put more trust in the govt which obvious is indebted to crony friends rather than courts? This strawman argument exposes the mentality of this man.
8) It's no secret that huge Silos and mega godowns of Adani have already come-up in different states even before the passing of these laws. Private rail lines are also built leading to their warehouses. Govt has also started privatization of railways. Farm laws and privatization of railways also need to be explored to have links with each other.
9) Prof Gulati said that these laws were passed after long consultation happening for the past many years. He said that all the political parties were involved in these discussions. We know all political parties are the same. Rather he should have let us know if the representation of farmers was there in these meetings. For those who are interested to know what happens in these meetings with pre-decided agenda, here's the experience of Balbir Singh Rajewal who was present in one of these so-called discussions: th-cam.com/video/KaHZGJYe8c4/w-d-xo.html
U give money to poor , he has to pay huge money to purchase goods from private players.
Thapar comes out as a person who is hell bent on enforcing a particular point of view and making Prof. Gulati to agree. But Prof. Gulati has made his point wonderfully well. Very balanced and fair. Happy that we have such people who takes a wider view of things and thinks about the future of the country .
Sir mr ashoka is a very intelligent person goverment must consult with him great thinking of water wastage . You can have a handful of wheat but no water to cook that wheat farmer are stubborn they have to talk . The usage of drip irrigation is a answer but farmer won't be able to afford as factory producing drip will keep rising prices need a great thinking bi mohanbia and madhubhen s African farmer
KARAN PLEASE CALL DEVINDER SHARMA ALSO TO GIVE ANOTHER VIEWPOINT . or PROF SUKHPAL SINGH . MR GULATI IS GIVING GOVT VIEW ONLY
sir although I'm against farm bills but Gulati has been in agricultural field from 90s
something which we must listen
I have only one question when did last time Mr ashok gulate put his hands in soil , let me guess in 1956.
And if it is so good then why did it failed in Bihar and western world ( UK ,us). Please be true to your soil.
It didn't fail in Bihar. Bihar agri has grown more than 15% in last decade. Yes, they need to diversify, there needs to be investment. In UK, US hardly 5% people do farming unlike India, where 60% do.
@@bapu108 Bihar per capita GDP is 33 which it's self tells as the all and break the myth . Finally what is growth here's is increasing the product and not in profit . farmer's in Bihar are merely getting cost recovery. Because there is no Mandi there product is laying in there home waiting for you ,so go and buy it
@@bapu108 in u.k and u.s not even 5% are farmer's because of this . This model has made them leave the farming and Go into other filed in search of work. In u.k and u.s farming is still alive that too in I.C.U because of huge subsidiaries provided by U.k and U.SA government , which indicated there's so called success stories. That amount of subsidies provided by western countries to there farmer's India can't not even think of it.
@@bapu108 In UK and EU all farmers get a range of subsidies
Industries and agriculture has to stay abreast with modernisation and have to accept disruptive innovation. MSP if maintained for Punjab and Haryana will lead to further detoriation of soil and wastage of water and urea. Punjab and Haryana should move out of paddy and wheat to other crops.
Please call Dr Sukhpal Singh CMA for interview
Wtf, caring about nature but building new Vista........ Hypocrisy ki seema par kar di
Dear, what will happen to these farmer's children when the water runs out? They will say "WTF". These old folks did to my state? There is no farmer with out farm. There is no farm without Water.
Anyhow these farmers are Jaagirdars.
Mind Begs the Question:
A Govt - building Concentration Camps
A Judiciary - allowing Totalitarian Laws
What conditions need met
To establish a PM/Govt is Fascist/Nazi?
Package sounds good to the farmers. But which govt is going to underwrite it. State or centre ?
State only ... that clearly said in bill
Fantastic discussion both of u
Jay jawan jay kisan....farmers of our country are doing socides but due to such types of laws as implemented by a communal party like bjp.
Maximum sucide happened in Maharashtra when Mr.Pawar was agri minister, Manmohan PM and commies supporting the government. Why heart suddenly bleeds for the farmers? These farmers are Jaagirdars with labour from UP and Bihar working in their fields below minimum wages.
@@ganesanmuthiah4142 it seems that u r a corporate but itz the genuine grievance of the farmers and they not jagidars of mughal period as u r considering them .if the solution of this problem will not be resolve ,then it leads more sucides and bjp is responsible.
Gulati sir👍
It’s shame that galti like puppy make policy for farmers
Why no question about what happened in Bihar after closing APMCs there ?
Mandis closed in bihar bc no one used the mandis anyway and mandis were too corrupted. The arhtiyas or trader goes to farmers directly to buy the produce. All the trade happens in villages and thats how system works in bihar. Dont think bihar prices are low because no mandis, it’s because all the trade has always occurred locally in villages. And because the avg holding size is only about 1 acre, the traders/arhtiya/lalay have a tight control on the farmer
One of the finest interviews of Karan Thapar. Excellent journalism!