We Must Follow Collegium System Until Something New & Acceptable Replaces It: Former CJI UU Lalit
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This 54-minute interview, done in two parts but presented as one, first explores at length a range of concerns about the working of the Collegium System. These concerns include its opacity, the scope it creates for nepotism, the fact that good candidates are often ignored and not elevated, the fact that inappropriate people often become judges and embarrass the Supreme Court, the fact that the author of the Collegium System, Justice Verma, changed his mind about the Collegium System and in 2004 said a National Judicial Commission would be preferable and, finally, if the Collegium is deemed to be perfect, which is Justice Lalit’s belief, the Supreme Court must fulfill all its requirements with clarity and, if necessary, toughness and this includes insisting that names reiterated for a second time are accepted by the government.
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Karan Thapar never disappoint but what a humble former chief justice he is .
Justice was such a magnanimous person. He took questions with a brave heart and mind.
Wow! Debate at its best.... remarkable journalism from Karan Thapar and outstanding humbling and diplomatic answer by Justice Lalit.
Fantastic interview. Take a bow, Justice Lalit and Mr. Thapar.
It's all going on with the peak of the knowledge. Both are the stalwarts like Himalaya and it's a great treat. Worth listening again and again...
50 Families ruling SC
Talented people left out to become CJI.
People with no talent & wisdom coming to Judges.
People with few Caste in system.
No fair competition to chose CJI.
just recommendation
No representation of Majority Population.
Gogoi went to RS
Just. Misra praises Govt in power.
But But But.... According to Just. Lalit COLLEGIUM SYSTEM IS PERFECT.
Wow the institution which is given responsible for Justice is itself faulty. 👏👏👏👏👏
Happy to pay a subscription fee to Mr. Karan Thapar in addition to the wire subscription. His interviews are a learning experience in many different ways
Excellent interview! Great work Mr. Thapar, Keep going. 😊
1. Collegium system is Worst.
2. No discussion on Accountability
3. No discussion on Pathetic Performance and pending cases
4. No discussion on Uncalled for, overreaching Observations
They are running a modern,polished form of monarchy in the Supreme Court.
99% of supreme court justices are the sons and daughters of justices or Advocates of High Courts or Supreme Court.
The talents from the district courts retire in the districts and a handful of them get to the High Courts.. And that too for so brief period of time that they can't reach the apex court where the seats are reserved for the Rajkumars and Rajkumaris of the monarchy.
I learned a lot from this interview. Thanks!
It’s a paradox Karan ! Seeking such transparency from judiciary while executive and media are nothing but opaque and blunt.
I think collegium helps in upholding separation of power.
Absolute brilliant journalism, absolutely brilliant CJI. Covered a lot in a short time in a fruitful manner.
Gem of an interview Justice Lalit and Karan Thapar both have absolute clarity over the choice of words. Pleasure to listen to the two🙌
Good discussion. Ex CJI's replies are very were informed and balanced.
Coming to the Judges appointments any system can have some imperfections and no system is perfect. Collegium system also may have some imperfections. But still it's better than the NJAC system. Some say there is transparency in collegium system. No system is fully transparent. In what other selections fulldetails are released to public.
Separation of powers is paramount for democracy. If higher judiciary is also appointed by the executive then it would be compromised judiciary. Then people will suffer. That's why collegium system inspire of alleged imperfections may still be better than other presently proposed methods. If govt wants it can try to bring some improvements in the current system.
Dear Karan Sir.. You never spare anyone.. It's really a privilege to see your questionnaire to the invited guests..
TQ so much dear respected former chief justice of India UU lalit ji 💐💐
Master piece of journalism
At @20:07 of this video,when Justice U U Lalit was mentioning the criteria for the appointment of justices,he should have been allowed to complete listing all the criteria.However,he was interruped before that,when Mr.Thapar raised his argument over the viability of the first criteria Justice Lalit mentioned.This could have been avoided.This interruption from Mr.Thapar has deprived me as your viewer( i.e as a viewer of the wire) about learning on the criteria considered for appointment of judges.
I'll appreciate if my view can be considered.
Phenomenal session...
Excellent interview
Good work by honarable Justice UU Lalit
One of the best interviews by Thappar sir.
Amazing! Just amazing! Such a privilege to witness class apart journalism in practice.
'When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean' - brilliant!
Terrific interview.
I wished former CJI Justice Lalit had gotten a longer tenure.. the Supreme Court needs to address it's challenges. The independence of judiciary should also mean the independence of Judges.
Just some thousand views on such an honest and valuable interview and lakhs of views on debates that can't even be called a debate clearly shows where our country is going
Indian judiciary is ridiculed for its decision in the case of Babri-RJB in which the judgement was given on the basis of faith as against evidences. Indian supreme court must be by far the only court in the world to hold this dubious record.
Bro there was evidence of Hindu structure
Watch video of surveyors which publicly available in TH-cam
What are you talking about decision was based belief and by the way it was land title issue
@@vishnuprasad7574 : Babri was built on buddhist structure and the same was hidden by the govt ; all ancient hindu temples were built over buddhist n jains structures and most of the ancient masjids were built after destroying such hindu temples. The animosity between Buddhism and Bammanism is oldest on earth and dates back to over 3000 years…Buddhism was born out of its opposition to bammanical atrocities carried out in the name of the bammans invented caste-loving gods …
Yes the judgement has so many anomalies.
It talked about demolition of babri masjid being a crime still no criminals behind bars and the scenario if the structure was not demolished would it be still possible to implement court's verdict??? NO
@@vishnuprasad7574 kaisi Anpado jaisi baat KR re ho ,mudda legal hai aur tum wahi aam aadmi ke emotions wali baat laa re ho beech mein.
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Just an amazing interview 🙌
Interview of Justice Lalit is of the calibre that years back made me a fan of KT..but when bias steps in, the charm of purity is the first casualty and distaste sets in!
The patience evident in Justice Lalit is exemplary and makes him a role model for most of us!
Post interview, a question arise.. how can anybody or any collection go for godly self-promotion..that itself sounds as going against the rule of natural law!
Since Justice Lalit represented Hon'ble Minister Amit Shah, I thought he would favour the Government. However, he turned out to be a honest and upright CJI. It is pity that he served as CJI for only couple of months.
Justice Lalit your values are an inspiration for all.
Why should judges of collegium system should waste valuable time in selecting judges of High court and supreme courts, instead of deciding the pending cases.
Always great to listen CJI UU Lalit. Very meaningful to me
Excellent interview
Mr Thapar, this was a brilliant interview! Against a legal luminary of the calibre of the ex-CJI, not only have you held your own but very incisively brought out the real issues in this NJAC vs Collegium debate, enlightening the viewers, without ruffling his feathers! To his credit, he has responded to your intense grilling patiently and as candidly as possible! Excellent jugalbandi!
Very well written Sir.
We need to create Indian Constitution and judicial system literacy in the society. It should percolate…
Interesting interview to watch 😉
great .kudos for the way it was conducted and hats off to former CJI U U Lalitji
The best interview by intellectuals and worth listening; learning
Superb Interview
Mind Begs the Question:
If under a PM/Govt
Judges removed,murdered
If Judgement not Favorable
Judiciary - not Pressured,Pressured?
Wow!what a interview
Fitting response to govt
प्रशंसनीय संवाद.... जय भारत
CJI U. U. Lalit calling Karan - "Sir", is a mark of a true public servant.
100 percent. While the journalist has never bothered once to call the ex CJI as sir
I'm Sold to Shri Thapar, Morally for his extremely brilliantly logical views/interview with former CJI UULalit.
An excellent and
Apt application of the Dictionary meaning of the word CUNSULTATION vis a vis CONCURRENCE.
How true " Judges
are NOT the masters of Language ".
The issue of correct interpretation/meaning of the impugned word must be sorted out either by SC or Parliament sooner than later.
Fantastic 💖 Gold 👌
Karan thapper one the best and genuine journalist..
Very interesting conversation. Throughout the march of time, human beings have tried to create perfect systems of governance for dealing justly with the affairs of state and its citizens. But systems can only be as good as the people in charge of them, and the human creature is fallible and prone to err. Of course, some individuals have proved themselves to be morally and intellectually superior to others, but attainment of perfection in any area of activity in this world is impossible. Yet, our attempts and ambitions to create utopia will continue. Such is life !
Great interview. Apart from the content, the language used by Karan Thapar, as always and that of the former CJI Lalit is a feast
Karan Thapar with ex CJI U U Lalit. My eyes lit up when i saw the notification. Kudos to Honourable Justice and Mr Thapar for this gem.
absolutely
Mr.Karan Thapar, have watched your interview. Its very interesting n enlightening. Thank you so much.
Karan thapper please question Sonia Gandhi about 2G, Commonwealth games, coalgate, etc etc
The process of selection and the promotion in judiciary in India is flawed and rigged. Specially the collegium system . It needs to change immediately. Why not assess any judge after every 10 judgements he makes ? If it’s found out that majority of his judgements are changed in the higher courts - does not it say that he is not capable of being a judge ? No accountability? What is this? ?? Why the SC does not allow a nation wide competitive test to be a judge just like any civil services test, of course with few years of practice behind . And one more needs to be added - psychological tests such as Aptitude tests. Why not transparency on their assets? Should they not be assessed in every few years and fired if not you to satisfaction - coded criteria to be decided
They are running a modern,polished form of monarchy.
99% of supreme court justices are the sons and daughters of justices or Advocates of High Courts or Supreme Court.
The talents from the district courts retire in the districts and a handful of them get to the High Courts.. And that too for so brief period of time that they can't reach the apex court where the seats are reserved for the Rajkumars and Rajkumaris of the monarchy.
Interesting interview!
thanks Karan for this interview
Very good Journalist 🌾 🙏
थापर साहब! इस इंटरव्यू को हिंदी में भी प्रकाशित कराएं ताकि आमलोग भी इसका लाभ उठा सकें। धनवाद। बहुत बढ़िया।
Lalit sir deserves longer tenure...He is crystal clear in his thoughts 🧡
It is very unfortunate that such Judge like UU Lalit were our CJI for a very short period. This is unfair and it is the right time to evolve a new system for tenure as said by AP Shah "fixed tenure based on Seniority"
Any institution which does not have a reservation, then it is fully reserved for upper-caste people with some nominal exceptions to show the diversity
Both interviews one with justice Shah and the other with the former CJI were very nice.
it was an enlightening interview.
The combined IQ in that frame is unbelievable!! It's such a blessing to be able to witness this!!
combined IQ of 4?
finally, an interview thats been conducted without patent bias!
🙏Great Job,Keep it Up
Man I want calmness like UU Lalit
Meditate
Thank you.
Indian judiciary is the most un-diversified judiciary in the world. The minority bammans are found disproportionately high in higher judiciary and the resultant mess is there for all to see; communal, caste biases are a given. What else can happen when ppl from castes known for lack of judicial character and integrity dominate the judiciary. The collegium system perpetuates the casteist character of the judiciary because of ample scope for cronyism. The anti egalitarian character of the indian judiciary got exposed when it deliberately fixed the cap of 50% to reservations when it came to giving reservations to obc’s but when it came to extending reservations to their caste-cronies under EWS they blatantly removed the cap of 50%. It’s high time every castes and community gets a fair share of representation in the indian judiciary in the interest of justice …..
Thanks
1. In several High Courts some lawyer(s) is/are more influential than others and the capacity to influence derives its strength from family background, proximity to Senior judge(s), and some time financial capacity. Collegium system encourages this nepotism.
2. Some of the nominated judges may have their family' s interest in some business such as running unrecognised medical/engineering /law colleges etc. Collegium does not have access to such irregularities and Govt in executive has such secret data and Govt should have the power to disagree with the recommendations of Collegium.
An excellent discussion by Karan. Hats off to you.
उदय उमेश लळीत सरांना ऐकणं नेहमीच प्रेरणादायी असत.
See the list some current & ex CJIs most are from politico -legal families
Justice TS Thakur : Son of J&K HC Judge
Justice RM Lodha : Son of Rajasthan HC Judge
Justice A Kabir : Son of Congress Politician & Ex-Minister in WB Government
In Chief Justices of High Courts
Allahabad High Court
Justice DY Chandrachud : Son of CJI YV Chandrachud
Chennai High Court
Justice SK Kaul : Great-Grandson of J&K Finance Minister & Brother of Judge in Delhi HC
Gujarat High Court
Justice JB Pardiwala : Son of Gujarat Assembly Speaker
Supreme Court
Justice UU Lalit: Son of Bombay HC Judge
Justice R Gogoi: Son of Assam Ex-CM
Justice RF Nariman : Son of Ex-Solicitor General
Justice PC Ghose : Son of Ex CJ of Calcutta HC
What a Extraordinary person of Mr Lalit how patience he has in listening and answering.
I wish, Justice U.U. Lalit could have been CJI for more time.
Brilliant interview
the torch bearers of press and judiciary is talking ... very important suggestion comes out and should be implemented ASAP... INSTITUTIONALIZE the process is answers of most questions... thanks the wire... Indians are with you , independent press and judiciary!
CONSTITUTION and civil liberties must survive ...
Oh my judge Loya, no one stood by you. Judiciary is gone with Loya, like gone with the wind. Yeah they always speak great after retirement.
Awesome
There were very high moments in this interview.. " even God can't turn the clock back how will SC" , Justice lalit leaved an impact in so less time which many CJIs didn't even with lots of time.. A judge with a spine, wish he stayed in court for longer.. It would hv benefited common citizen.. As justice said at end "I enjoyed the talk", so did I.. ❣️❤️
Karan Thapar is one of the best journals who put questions fearlessly. 👏
Master of the roster's selected bench cancelled GN Saibaba's bail. And AM's advocate UU Lalit is an honourable man 👨
Pls donate, ever drop counts!
Karan Thapar, you are just awesome, I can listen you hours and hours
All corruption cases should not be listed in judiciary which is also suffering from malaise of corruption. Swift and corruption free independent system should be on lines of lokayukta. Then only few cases will be left.
Supreme court is the custodian of the constitution
Independent working of the supreme court is the essence of healthy democracy
Political interference hampers the working of supreme court and it should be checked strictly
Independent working of the supreme court should be supported by all parties concerned for quality juidice prudence
Because it benefits such people who get to appoint judges without any responsibility to anyone.
MAN KARAN THAPAR IS LEGEND WHEN IT COMES TO TAKING INTERVIEW
There is a factual error by lordship at 26:20. Justice Kureshi had not retired when the next meeting of the collegium took place in which 9 judges had been elevated to the Supreme court.
The Supreme Court benches shld be established in all four zones of india so that it becomes convenient to the citizens to approach the Court …
Now it will be done, as now virtual Court proceedings has diminished the idea.
Awesome Karan Thapar sir
Appreciate
Let talented minds quarrel, so that average minds can live. What's the use of a perfect state when it is not interested in public?
What a composed well conducted interview 👏 👍
The ex CJI has been very honest in this interview I must say…
Karan is a fantastic interviewer. He is so sharp.
There is just one thing that bothers me - he keeps his hand raised, showing impatience. That is uncomfortable for me to watch as a viewer. It can be disrespectful to the interviewee as well.
Apke sawalo se darr kar modi Bhaga tha isliye apko sslam
Mr.U.U.Lalit former CJI, please educated me how Bail given Kejriwal for Compaignig for election,is it as per constitution of as per judges wishes and to become stronger than Constitution and Country existing law judges like U.U.Latit support collegium systems.
Why don't you interview the "famous" politicians??
Commendable deliberation. Protection of Fundamental rights is much more significant than master of roster issue, and certainly, fast and deliberative method of judgement must be used to clear the cases.