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The Sitcom Spider-Man
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
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0:00 - Tom Holland
1:09 - Homecoming's Camera
2:49 - Stan Lee's Sitcom
5:13 - Far From Home
6:41 - Spider-Man and Affective Forecasting
9:20 - Closing Statement
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Take me home
To the place where I'm from
Oh darling
You'll understand when you come with me
Take me there
Where the mountain meets the stream
And all the things we are
Are made for loving
Take me home
To the place where I'm from
Oh darling
You'll understand when you come with me
Take me home
Take me home
Take me home
To the place where I'm from
Oh, under the water
We will go
Take me there
Where the mountain children roam
Oh darling
You'll understand when you come home
Take me home
Take me home
Take me home
Take me home
Take me home
To the place where I'm from
Oh darling
You'll understand when you come with me
I love it when people realize that in high school Peter Parker wasn't a nice kid, but was a kid who thought he was too good for high school in the first place, a lot of people miss that, but it was vital to why he didn't stop the robber. The only people he cared for were his uncle and aunt, he thought that he was better than the rest of the world, and they would all pay for mistreating him. When he loses his uncle due to this resentment towards the world, he sees the error of his ways and decides to make a change, that his talents (both his brain and his spider-powers) should help others, not himself. This really humanizes him and makes him a better character, because so often people get put down, and due to that, they begin to resent the world. You did a great job with this vid, and tackling this point, it may be a nit-picky thing, but for me, it just elevates Spider-Man's origin story. I can't wait to see the next vid!
Up till uncle Ben dies it's a villain's origin story
Gwen was the same way, she wasn't the " Nice Girl. "
@@drewsachs6238 ...it's doc ock's ı can even say
@@ghosty2548 even without Ock nothing good follows the phrase "I'll show them. I'll show them all!"
@@drewsachs6238 Calling it a villain story is a bit much. He never went out of his way to hurt others. He just didnt give a crap if bad stuff went down.
Villains tend to be the ones who go out of their way to start trouble.
Pete was just apathetic.
I know what you were getting at, but calling it a villain story at first was missing the nuances of it.
The scene on the way to Home Coming when Keaton figures it out is the best. The tension and concerns of both are really interesting in the moment.
Agreed, every bit while they’re in the car is so well done
Honorable mention: Tony's papa talk.
It’s quite possibly the best hero villain interaction ever put to screen!
I love that the light turns green as soon as he pieces it together
@@matthewmccray1140 I love Liz actually just making it more and more obvious and Peter's like in his head 'Liz, shut the fuck up!'
This guy is the first person I've seen tie all the MCU material (not just Spider-Man) to the comics they come from. I think different runs (like the romita run) deserve some discussion as well, but looking back at the material that made all of these films a reality is something oft overlooked when criticizing or praising superhero media. Props to you, man
MCU ain’t accurate. Anyone can make an edited video with sad background music and show a few panels. Y’all ain’t reading but believe some guy 💀
@@ventusvanitas7544 You are a very hateful person. I hope your enjoying that hate man.
@@ventusvanitas7544 anyone can also make a dumbass comment that paid no attention to the video simply because it’s not what you want to agree with
@@sidecharacter3193 Nah. I just ain’t stupid like y’all who believes in an edited video that’s cherry picked with sad background music with a British TH-camr.
I bet y’all don’t even read comics. But this guy? Dude just nitpicked!
@@ventusvanitas7544 just nitpicked like all those other people that just nitpick the hell out of toms Spider-Man just to say he’s trash
Bruh obviously Tom isn’t 100% accurate but that’s not the point, all the video is doing is just showing us the intention behind this Spider-Man
But yeah just nitpicks
Its fine and encouraged for people to have their own favorite types of spider-man, as well as critize aspects of them. Whats not fine is saying that there's something wrong with the people who like a certain Spider-Man over others
MCU Spider-Man makes feel all good and jolly :] Homecoming came out when I was still in high school so I related so hard to him. I love how grief doesn't put him down for too long and he always tries to push forward.
I like all the Spider-Men a lot and I just don’t get why people have to make other people feel bad for liking one over the other like you said I mean whatever happened to agreeing to disagree
Pizza time
I would agree that it should be encouraged but Spider-Man fans tend to fall into a circle jerk. ESPECIALLY Raimi fans.
@@sethurott9927 I don’t get why. All 3 live action Spider-Men are enjoyable in their own, unique ways. Can’t wait to see all of them team up in No Way Home 💯🔥
@@GabesEdtiz I kinda have an idea why, but I absolutely agree.
Exactly I’ve noticed the raimi fanboys can be some of the worst offenders it’s fine to favour one but each actor has had a certain strength at portraying their spiderman
After just reading the title: thank you
Same
That was exactly what I was gonna say 😂
@FaidThe Farter people have a reason to be hating on mcu Spidey, dummy! Have you not seen the fan reviews?!
@@voiceacticon667 ugh you again, those fan reviews are from psychopathic nostalgic Raimi fans that use Tobey as 100% accurate but when you look at what issues Tom's Spider-Man is adapted from, he's 1000x more accurate
@@ericstorm6582 I really wouldn't sy he more accurate, but it's also true that none of those fans actually give any real criticism to the MCU Spidey and just blindly hate on him.
This is why I actually love MCU Spider-man. He's a kid growing up, and in order to be what McGuire's spiderman always was, he has to learn to trust himself. He walks, talks and acts like his age, rather than an old soul trapped in a 20 year old's body. In a strange way, I find the former more... beautiful, in a manner of speaking. It's a real, true sense of innocence that neither of the two previous spider-men had, since theirs was tied to... well let's be honest, it was tied to a woman the most... shallow kind of motif you could do.
Don't get me wrong, the other two actors did their job well, but I always got the sense I was watching a superhero movie. What I mean is, I was watching a movie about spiderman and his villain of the week. With the MCU, I'm watching Spiderman and his week.
I feel with the mcu, I'm watching Peter Parker as he learns to be Spider-Man.
@@macmcleod1188 The whole part of Spider-Man No Way Home, as it says in the premise: Peter Parker learns what it means to be Spider-Man
@@ericstorm6582 and once NWH is done, and we move on to the future, Tom will finally be what people say he isn't. People get mad Tom isn't a great hero yet, that he's clumsy, looks up to others, and constantly makes mistakes, when I always felt it as the MCU playing the long game, where he finally becomes a true hero at the end of his first trilogy
@@drcheesenut896 one thing I can say is that I don’t feel it should take 3 1/2 movies for Peter to become Spider-Man. Especially when he was already Spider-Man when we met him.
@@NYCKZ360 it took around 30 issues of the comics for Peter to have his "if this be my destiny moment", and that's considered to be when he really grew into being Spider-Man. If This Be My Destiny happens as Peter starts college, so it's all fine with me that the MCU also pulled the long game and waited until the end of his high school career
Thank you! I've been bringing up the FF parallel to Tony since Civil War came out. People don't realize how much the Raimi version has affected the unconscious perception of Spider-man
if i may, i dont think thats a proper parallel. Peter in that issue was upset with himself failing to stop Doc Ock, and he was jealous of Johnny for seemingly having more power than him. He was upset that he wasnt as strong as Johnny, not looking up to him. However what Johnny said in his speech helped him realize that it waasnt the right way to give u bc you lost once. Tony Stark in homecoming is a direct opposite to this, if you ask me. If you disagree, I dont have any issues on it but i hope you'd look at things from my view
Most people's interpretations of Spider-Man seem to come from the Raimi films and the 90s animated series. Valid interpretations, but not the end-all, be-all for Spider-Man.
I can already feel Twitter miserably failing to tear this video a part.
What r u talking about tweeter likes this kind of stuff
@@Eking-su3tr raimi and Webb stans will try anything
It's not that hard to tear apart when he makes statements like Far From Home being a more accurate adaptation for Spider-Man No More than Spider-Man 2 which is a damn lie.
@@ericdxfan511 If I knew you weren't a delusional Maguire fanboy then I may have actually taken your opinion seriously, but since I know the contrary and the fact that you haven't touched a comic before, I'll choose to ignore you- especially since I have experience some of the Lee-Ditko run.
@@abraham7018 I haven't touched a comic before? 😂😂😂😂 Thanks for the laugh jackass. When I criticize the MCU Spider-Man films I don't even use the other movies to attack it. Try again.
I grew up on the Raimi films, but so far Holland is my favorite Spidey and I like his films the best.
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whenever someone comments that they like the MCU Spidey, there's always comments calling them a toddler or too young or retarded or fake fans
Naw best Spidey is clearly Nic Cage
@@blight1658 they got blinded by nostalgia too much
Saaame bro
The Raimi films were the golden era of superhero films and are too special.
But Id be lying if I said I didn't love Tom Hollands adaptation
It always baffles me how many people fail to pick up on FFH as a story about a kid looking for self-worth, and how ingrained that is to the entire film, given how glaringly obvious it is.
Hate the gags or the direction as much as you want, but people who act as though that movie doesn’t give Peter a compelling human journey confuse me.
My biggest beef is that the SM movies are some phenomenal actors in amazing roles telling a great story that's getting muddied by the usual MCU issues
I think most people that saw the movie know it’s about that. I think they’re just grumpy that that character arc is punctuated by Tony Stark. And of course the Uncle Ben erasure.
What the fuck was the arch in the first one then?????????
@@Courier_333 calm down. Sometimes people (especially Spider-People) have to relearn things, or struggle with the same/similar problems for more than one movie.
The arc of Homecoming is about relearning priorities after being thrust into a new position. FFH is about learning you don’t have to live up to a ghost.
Both about proving oneself valid, gaining a form of maturity and self-confidence, and (naturally) responsibility, but in different ways.
MCU Spidey haters utterly refuse to actually look beneath the surface. All they can do is screetch Iron Boy Jr. over and over again.
Far From Home IMO is one of my favorite Spider-man stories ever released!
One of yours huh. You can’t fool me, you don’t own that movie
Did you forget to add 'favorite' in front of 'my'?
@@ericstorm6582 uhhhhh....no?
Just an opinion guys
Btw I agree
Sucks to be you, m8. Holes in the script are bigger than in my ex.
Homecoming is genuinely in my top 5 mcu films. Thank you for this lol
It’s my favorite mcu movie
one of mine too its so much fun
Mine to.
This and FFH are my favourite Spidey adaptations
damn, I really wish I was on the same page
I just really like that he does things and take decisions like an actual teen.
Honestly the moment that sold me was was him freaking out while on top of the Washington monument.
Woah! The transition at 9:59 was… alarming. That HAD to be an intentional cut, with Jameson’s eyes, right?
JESUS THAT'S SCARY
Woah
His eyes burning into Peter’s soul like
The Spider Slayer makes it's debut appearance haha
Damn this made me emotional. To me after I've watched Homecoming and Far From Home many times I've noticed that the Peter we saw in Far From Home isn't the same one in Homecoming. I mean they're the same Peter Parker but what I'm trying to say is that his attitude and behaviour has changed. In Homecoming he's this teenager who geeks out at almost everyone and calls many things " Awesome " then in Far From Home he's matured up a bit more. He doesn't geek out much and while he used to like being Spiderman he doesn't anymore because if the stuff he went through in Infinity War and Endgame. In Far From Home he hangs up the suit and tries to leave it behind for a while. Eventually he realises that the responsibities aren't going to go away and starts to adapt to them. It seems like No Way Home may further this ( keeping his loved ones save, knowing whether it's good or bad for his loved ones to be apart of his life etc ). People say MCU Spiderman has no character but that's not what I've seen over his five appearences at the moment.
Btw I know it may seem like I'm bias cuz I have a Tom Holland picture on my profile but pfps don't mean anything. I've seen people for example with superman and DC pfps but they've picked Marvel characters before in a fight or arguement over a DC character.
I'd like to add that Peter in Homecoming had loved being a hero and thought it was fun but by the time the sequel rolls around his opinion changes and he realises it's a serious job, that there are other heroes out there probably going through the same kind of pain and difficulty as him but they haven't given up and neither should he, he shouldn't walk away from his responsibilities and act like a coward. He knows there are those out there who love him, support him and be there for him. They've never given up on him so he shouldn't give up on them.
@@oisinreilly2639 U don't come out as a fanboy to me. And you just said exactly what I thought
Imagine him in No Way Home lol
The trilogy has continuity, progression, and realism. Even the plot holes amplified by toxic fans not really plot holes.
Finally bro tom’s spiderman gets so much hate it feels like counterculture at this point
especially if you live in Brazil
Tom is amazing but his character is bad.
@@ventusvanitas7544 I disagree constantly
Defending a multi billion dollar franchise set in the most profitable movie franchise of all time distributed by one of the most powerful corperations is the opposite of "counter culture"
I don't think it's hatred it's just it had a lot of potential than just iron boy like Tony didn't hv to involved like that atleast imo
MCU Spider-Man is basically a modernised version of Stan Lee's Spider-Man
Kinda like Ultimate Spider-Man (comic).
I for one liked that they didn’t have the raised webbing and just has the thin black webbing, it just gives it the classic look without the problem with the camera issue back in 2002. I just shared this video on Twitter to you saying awesome video, excited about the next video.
i would be on board with the black webbing if it was actually visible. Not trying to be that guy, but sam saying the 2d webbing would be hard to pick up on red ironically is an issue with homecoming
@@rangeetch.lahiri2120 I always can see the black webbing just fine, idk what the problem with it is. But it’s true back when the first Spider-Man movie was in production they tried the black webs but they had difficulty with their cameras to pick it up and so they had to go and figure out how to redesign the costume so that the camera wouldn’t blur the whole thing. I can go find the video of it if you’re interested.
Am I the only one who thinks MCU Spiderman doesnt need any defending? I feel like the last two Spiderman film series did alot that the MCU ones feel alot different in the best way.
i would have to disagree, there’s been a massive amount of hate for mcu spidey and i see it in almost every spider-man related comment section which is sucks cause he’s my favorite
What he needs is to be fixed! JJ will proudly call him a menace!
@@asowitthesauce Agreed. By the way, the most hate I personally seen of MCU Spider-Man in the comments section was from "Spider-Man: Far From Home Review: Nah it'll be fine" by "The Critical Drinker", who I don't like all that much. I scrowed down and saw nothing but hypocritical hate, hate, hate comments, I finally had enough of it and intervened in one of them.
Was my thought too. Why defend him? The only ones who don't like this version are people who are overly nostalgic about previous versions. Granted, those people are loud....
Well given that he gets a lot of loud hate age of defense is probably in order
As a trans guy who as always related to Peter... I don't know, MCU Peter just hits different. Identity has always been something I've seen as integral to who Spider-man and Peter Parker are a character. I've spent so many years just wrestling and coming to terms with my identity and learning how to define and depend on myself when I found out the people around me couldn't do it for me, or I wouldn't become anything at all. Learning how to change and grow as a person, overcoming your own flaws and fears, and trying to see the world as something worth saving, that's something I really aspire to do and something I think Spider-man really exemplifies. This video kind of put into words a few of the things I've been thinking about Spider-man and by proxy, myself. Thank you.
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
@@obiwankenobi1532 good thing?
“Stan Lee’s run… Stan’s comics…” uh, the ghost of Steve Ditko would like to have a word…
4:57 here. This moment. This can only happen to Peter.
Spitting
My favorite Spider-Man who just can’t catch a break. Spidey “fans” really fail to understand him, and can’t accept an interpretation like his. Anyone can wear the mask, huh? Seems as though this lesson is misunderstood.
Exactly what I say every time someone says they love Into The Spider-Verse & understand the message but I later see a comment talking about why this Spider-Man sucks
I think YOU fail to understand the character. Read a few TPBs first.
I respect your opinion but I'm not a fake fan because I dislike this version of the character
Facts.
@@ventusvanitas7544 No, not really.
Spider-Man - you can do almost anything with him and he just works… you can even turn him into a pig!
You've nailed perfectly what I love about these MCU films (and also what is missing for Raimi fans).
@Andrew Casali you can still have a favorite but that doesn’t mean you should go around attacking other people for having a different favorite (not saying that you do that I’m just saying that’s what a lot of people tend to do)
It's a shame you never mention Steve Ditko as the co creator of Spider Man. Stan may have had the idea but it's Ditko who drew and co-wrote the characters and original stories. Stan isn't the sole creator, it was a collaboration.
Ditko didn't even want anything to do with the character after the 90s, he doesn't care
@@ericstorm6582 but the video is about his run and ask the responsibility stuff likey came from him.
I'm a huge Holland's Spidey fan. I always defend his portrayal in this whole universe.
When you're the only superhero in the world (Raimi's, TASM), you have the world in your shoulders. But when you're some new kid in a world that was already born and complex, you can't do nothing but gain your place slowly, step by step.
“Spider-Verse was so good because it showed that anyone can wear the mask. Anyone who is willing to do the right thing can be Spider-Man.”
Does that include a version of Spidey who’s mentor is Iron Man?
“NO F DISNEY THEY RUINED SPIDER-MAN THE MCU SPIDEY IS THE WOOORRRSSTTTT!!”
Anyone can wear the mask doesn't mean people aren't allowed to have preferences
@@belakthrillby People can totally have preferences. But geez some (not all but some) have such a deep obsessive volatile hatred for one single variation of a fictional character. It’s… wild.
@@WyattoonsComics Some clearly just have a hatred for Disney (which is understandable) and the MCU is just in the crossfire. Those particular persons should realize that Disney is pretty hands off with Marvel, acting mostly as a sugar daddy.
I'm sorry. I just thought it would be funny to call a corporation a "sugar daddy."
Edited cause thoughts got mixed around.
@@WyattoonsComics the problem with mcu pete is that his main inspiration we’ve seen so far is Tony, and the sole “hero” for most if not every iteration of Spider-Man has been Ben Parker.
The reason why is although Peter was inspired by many superheroes, his sole motivation and to be a “friendly neighbourhood” Spider-Man was because of how he viewed ben.
This notion also counteracts the point Lee wanted for Spider-Man, he wanted to make his regular life relateable to a lot of people.
Having him get a multi-billion dollar suit, with tony’s glasses doesn’t really connect with anyone. And it’s disappointing that uncle ben is barely mentioned.
Also the fact that Aunt may was fine with Peter risking his life and even encouraging it without any development shown as to why even though Peter is the only family May has left kind of screws with me, considering how hard he tried to keep his identity a secret.
Also we don’t have any idea how peter developed a crush with MJ, making it seem like he just jumped to the next prettiest girl after Liz (pete’s love interest in the first movie) left.
The problem was the fact that sony thought bringing in someone who didn’t have much knowledge about the character and has not much experience was a good idea.
Seriously they’ve been doing this shit for years now.
@@L_Lawliet1907 main inspiration? mcu Peter was Spider-Man long before Tony blackmailed him to fight Steve in civil war, and after that he practically became a stark ‘intern’. Peter’s main inspiration for the crime fighting in early comics was his lesson on power and responsibility, the fantastic four, AND the avengers. Heck, in Stan Lee’s run uncle Ben was barely mentioned just 3 times in the 100 issue run. I noticed how subtle the references to him in the mcu were like, when in homecoming Peter tries to tell Ned why he doesn’t want to tell her because of ‘recent’ loss or in FFH when Peter uses Ben’s old suitcase for his school trip. I do agree that they should have shown us a scene for May coming to terms with Peter’s identity, but she’s a side character and it probably would’ve slowed the movie down or is meant for the audiences imagination. But ‘Browntable’ did a awesome video of how the situation would have happened, the writing and acting was wonderful.
But with Peter’s crush development doesn’t need to be shown as, well high school crush doesn’t make sense half the time. Plus even in FFH Peter talks to Ned about the sudden crush he has for MJ just came out of nowhere. Plus Liz was just his date to homecoming and with what happened with her dad and after the whole snap situation she’s probably a adult in FFH, can’t say that it would be pretty weird if she was still with him.
But I don’t think it’s the choice that’s the problem, but more of how the past interpretations have been so heavy on other aspects that the people have forgotten about the other aspects that the new one is focusing on.
HiTop Films needs to watch this
I admire how well they adapted the comics into homecoming, and I think Tom Holland is awesome, but fidelity alone is not enough for me and the execution of it all seems a bit off to my preferences, but I'm glad people are enjoying spider-man. I agree that people can get overcritical when talking about these two movies.
I’m glad this video came out because I liked toms Spider-Man and everyone just on the internet seemed to hate him so I love seeing toms Spider-Man get the respect he deserves.
My long-awaited perspective! LFG!!!!
I love you Implicitly, so much.
I love Raimi version of Spiderman, but I also appreciate Tom Holland and his take on the character.
this really raises my appreciation for holland-peter.
I really enjoyed him in his appearances so far, though I do agree with a lot of his detractors. I think the issue isn't with what he is, but more what he isn't- certain themes and stories that you can't exactly tell with this version of spidey due to his movies' tone and connections with the other MCU fixtures.
I'd love to see heavier take on spidey that touches on the things glossed upon in the MCU verse stories, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy holland-spidey as what he is.
I agree. He and his films are awesome, but not only do I think that his character needs to be flourished more, we NEED a lot more (higher stakes, darker tone, less comedy) I think NWH will give us all of this.
@@obiwankenobi1532 Did it do that for you?
@@JD-jz5gu Didnt see it yet. Gonna see it soon tho
Great video. But I would argue that even tho Peter's life is more connected with Iron Man in these movies, you still can't call him Iron Kid because he's still had a lot of independence and a strong character he was trying to show. Plus his problems in Far From Home were coming from world's pressure rather than him being limited due to reliance on other people's opinions.
But that's honestly the only thing I, sort of, disagree with. Again, a great video as always. Love your channel.
It's kind of funny people call a Iron Man junior It's because and far from home hes trying to escape Tony Stark shadow and become an independent hero which he very much is
@@matthewbennett9928 yes lol he's his own hero who gets saved by iron man's bodyguard and then listens to AC DC...
@@Courier_333 so we're just going to ignore the 2 movie character development BEFORE that moment and what he does AFTER that moment, it's almost as if a movie isn't confined thematically and narratively to a fucking AC/DC song 🤔
@@noname-hf9ty the movie is about Spiderman living up to iron man.
Why?
@@Courier_333 were you not paying attention to the movie? The movie is about the world expecting to be Iron Man and him coming to terms with
1) How unrealistic and insane of a model that is to mold himself into
2) How he shouldn't want to become someone he isn't and doesn't want to be and can instead be his own hero
And 3) How his self worth isn't defined by public expectations of him nor by how well he is at being someone else
The theme of self identity and insecure self worth is literally permeated throughout the ENTIRE movie that the fact you've missed it is kind of insane 😂
I really like him when he is in high school and talking to Ned about being Spider-Man, I think it’s really grounding and relatable to see two people just talk about being a superhero at their age. I personally love all the stuff that make him feel like a “friendly neighbourhood” Spider-Man in a world of gods and super soldiers, I just think that the movie keeps switching between trying to ground him to a life of a teen and between Spider-Man fighting big villains and stopping explosions. I much prefer it if he wasn’t an avenger type Spider-Man and more of a grounded teen superhero trying to do the right thing
Thanks for the breakdown down man. I never knew Parker wanted to become a bully and was angry. MCU does get a lot of flack and could agree somewhat but loved how this Peter feels somewhat wholesome. We get to experience more high school life with Ned and MJ. His Aunt guiding him more through action than words but they need to have a sit down conversation about his life as Spidey so far. Hopefully we get to see Peter sit down and discuss interests besides being a hero and as Spidey work on his quips more. This Spidey is gaining experience and after this 3rd movie I feel he shouldn't need anymore teamups in his solo movies and let him figure it out on his own. Great video. Keep up the good work.
I didn’t know I needed this but what a fantastic analysis and understanding of the character. Just fantastic. Beautifully done. I will rewatch FFH with your analysis in mind.
Other than oversimplifying aspects of Raimi’s Spider-Man, great video! Makes me appreciate MCU Spidey more overall.
Praise this video. We love you MCU Spidey.
MCU Spiderman:" Man, these toxic fans...."
Ghostbusters 2016:"Really? Tell me more please."
It's a shame this video is so perfectly crafted cause now I gotta watch it 4 more times. What a phenomenal analysis. You never miss
I loved Tom Holland's portrayal of Spider-Man because out of all the Spider-Man films up to date, Tom's portrayal was the most accurate to the Spider-Man I grew up with.
I love how you call out how accurate tom and andrew are as Spider-Man which also shows how inaccurate tobey is as Spider-Man too, most people would’ve thought the opposite but that’s how big sam raimi’s impact was on Spider-Man’s character, not a bad change necessarily but a pretty big one
Excellent video. I connect to the MCU Spider-Man and I do enjoy both of his films. You make good points!
I see this as the other films showing Spider-Man’s journey in life while the MCU films are showing Peter Parker’s journey in life.
I tried a similar video with the MCU Flash, was planning on making a sequel to that video about Tom Holland’s Spider-Man but you’ve saved me the work. Great video as always man
Thanks for the director analysis! Highly enjoyable
Thanks for this video! Two points that you make that I've always felt make Tom Holland my favourite iteration is the emotional honesty of his arc and the fact that he's still growing as a hero and a person. I'm not saying he's better or worse than the other two live-action versions we've had so far, just the one I've felt the most personal resonance with.
You are pretty much my go-to guy whenever I look at Spider-Man videos on TH-cam. The MCU version of the character is my favorite live action version, and despite the positive reviews both his films have gotten, it always seems like the MCU Spider-Man is the one who gets criticized the most out of all the live action versions. I keep having arguments about why this version of Spider-Man is accurate to the comics, especially the Lee/Ditko era, and your videos show why that’s exactly the case. I love all 3 live action Spider-Men, and it honestly breaks my heart knowing that the fandom is as divisive as it is with this character. So, it’s good to see someone who gives out fair criticism and critique for all 3 versions of the Wall-Crawler. So, thank you, once again, for another amazing Spider-Man video. Keep up the good work.
If you think MCU Spider-Man gets criticised a lot, you should have seen the teactions to Spider-man 3 and TASM 2 when they were released. The hate MCU Spiderman receives is a drop in the ocean in comparison
@@Snaoe I know, you’re right. Sometimes I just need to remind myself that the criticism is minimum for the MCU Spider-Man. I just hate seeing people make the same arguments like “Iron Man Jr” or “He’s too dependent on Tony Stark” or “He doesn’t have problems, he’s privileged because Tony gives him tech” or even “He doesn’t care about Uncle Ben”. God, I can’t stand these arguments. 😑
But, yeah. The criticism is not as bad as it looks. I just think about it way too much.
The Supporting Casts in that series suck though.
@@keyshawnwatkins4362 why wouldn’t they make the statements? They’re all true and basically becomes the anti-thesis of his character. Stan lee only ever said Holland’s version posed the physique for Spider-Man, but never said anything about the character itself.
@@keyshawnwatkins4362 I mean.... Sorry but for most people having a billionaire weapon designer as a mentor is the OPPOSITE of Spiderman.... Y'know the working class hero?
Finally someone understands MCU Peter’s connection to Tony Stark without underselling it as Peter being “Iron Boy Jr.”
Precisely. I'm sick of that nickname honestly, especially when IMO he NEVER was that. Ntm some people have pointed out how in the Ps4 game Peter a) looked up to Doc Ock in the same way, and b) had used some of Doc Ock's tech to make his Advanced Suit, yet NOBODY complains that Ps4 Peter uses tech from a potential SUPERVILLAIN to make his new suit but simultaneously lose their mind when MCU Peter uses tech from a HERO to make his new suit in Far From Home. I bet they would've been fine with Peter using Oscorp tech to make his suit. I'd say that's a DOUBLE-STANDARD.
THANK YOU!!
The Raimi fans seem to have tricked so many people into thinking Spider-Man is and only should be how he is in that trilogy. Whenever you bring up the comics they always go on about how "this is what it was like in the comics, so the MCU has got Spider-Man completely wrong and should be boycotted for it," when in actuality Stan Lee's original run of the character was nearly EXACTLY like the MCU. In fact, it deviated even FURTHER from the Raimi trilogy than the MCU does! It makes me so happy that someone has voiced exactly what I've been thinking for the past 5 years in a video. Thank you so much!
Thank you a perspective I've been waiting to hear on the MCU. So many commentators just keep being up the same complaints "not enough consequences or drama" Those things were apart of Spideys stories but what was also apart of the comics was the adventure and fun! And Mcu spidey had a ton of that'
Wow. I did not realize the differences in lunchroom scenes and how the framing IS a large part of subtle illustration of the character and environment... Nicely spotted, sir.
4:00 Seeing a young Stan Lee feels very surreal for some reason.
Thank u! Finally, someone who doesn't blindly hate the MCU Spidey! 😃
Great video! I’ve been watching your stuff for a while now and really been enjoying it. To tell the truth, I’ve not been the biggest fan of MCU Spider-Man at all so far (definitely more of a Tobey-Raimi fan), but I’ve been almost… jealous of all my friends and family who like this new version. With this video, I think you’ve made a lot of interesting points; I look forward to revisiting Tom’s films in anticipation for the new one, with this in mind (and an open mind).
You might have actively helped change my mind. Have a great day!
Leo, I'd like you to compare the Raimi films with the Lee/Romita issues of the original 100-issue Spidey run you so love. What you are showcasing here is the Lee/Ditko run, with Romita coming on shortly after Ditko left. After issue #50, the stories become far more of the familiar "how can the world dump more on Spidey and Peter?", which the Raimi movies depict brilliantly IMO. (Even my sister noticed the non-stop downer tone, and she's never read a comic book in her life.) I submit that the latter half of the Lee 100-issue run is Peter's journey into young adulthood, where you try to find/make a place for yourself in life, only for life to sometimes, if not often, run you over at 100 mph. Just a thought.
Seriously, I know the Lee/Ditko run is the flagship iteration, but there have been plenty of new iterations that the films try and follow
@@claytonschmohe1786 I'm well aware of that, and I agree with you. I'm only keeping to the confines that Leo sets in this video and that he should examine the back half of the 100-issue Lee stories in regards to Peter's journey into adulthood.
9:59 that transition on J. Jonah's eyes to reflection of light maaaan
Seems like the quarantine and covid offered you as well as me the chance to read the original stan lee run of Spidey, and form a different view on Spidey than what Raimi iteration gave. But for me my appreciation for Webb's TASM 1 and the spectacular Spider-Man series increased after reading the original run. Man, if you have insta please share, I would love to follow. I have read some of the same arguments you make in insta Spidey fandom comment sections. Wonder is that you yourself or someone who shares the same opinion as you. I would love to personally talk more about Spider-Man with you
People don't acknowledge how accurate TASM1 is to the Lee-Ditko era of Spidey enough IMO.
Wait there is people who hates The MCU Spider-Man????I thought everybody loved him.he's too adorable to hate ._.
A very very LOUD minority of the fanbase thinks he’s garbage. He’s my personal fav
@@Eric-bn1py no, many Spidey fans don’t like him. Just that people always point to the Tobey fans.
Bro, none of the movie versions are my fav necessarily but MCU’s take is sus.
You thought wrong.
@@Eric-bn1py he's not my fav but he's also too cute to dislike either.
@@ventusvanitas7544 I some what can understand why some spider man fans are upset .I kinda hate how the MCU did Loki dirty depowering him making him a side character of his own series and made a character that isn't him but just an oc wearing his skin as a mix between his lady self,Sylvie lushton and amora that when people complain about her,her fans say "but she's a Loki too!!" Which fuck off no she is not .on the other hand the MCU is a very different story than the comics so really if you can't handle the changes just stick to the comics,which is something I'm doing because fuck the MCU writers.
I have always enjoyed the MCU spidey more than the other 2 versions, but i guess my only complaint is that uncle ben went from being peters primary motivation to being spider-man, which isn’t exactly comic accurate, to virtually not existing, which also isn’t comic accurate. Marvels been so averse to redoing the uncle ben dying trope we’ve seen twice already to the point where his name has only been mentioned by a spidey in an alternate universe, and i think that’s why people hate his relationship with tony, since it feels less like a version of his mentor relationship with human torch and more like replacing uncle ben’s role in peters life.
Now thats the good shit
Honestly a lot of people's dislike for Holland's Peter is boiled down to "HE'S TONY STARK JR.! HE SHOULDN'T ACCEPT HELP FROM A BILLIONARE HE'S THE HERO OF THE PROLETARIAT!!!" and all that.
I get it to some degree, but those are very subjective things.
Tom Holland's Spider-Man didn't really have epic swings or threw much punches, but his spirit is in the right place. He tries to be responsible and do the right thing. Plus his youth and awkwardness makes him a good Peter Parker
I would buy this “they were going for a sitcom aesthetic” angle if it weren’t for literally every MCU film being filmed the same way
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. Whenever someone would criticise this Spider-Man I felt they were criticising a modern interpretation of StanLee's comics not realising this was what Spider-Man was originally meant to be like it's NOT the only way for an interpretation I love all the film's but still
I'm with you man!
@@M64bros 👍👍
I never realized MCU Spidy needed to be defended...
We must've read two different Spider-Man No More stories because the one I read Peter's life improved after he quit until he remembered the reason why he became Spider-Man in the first place after he saved a guy who resembled his Uncle, not because he realized his family and friends didn't need him (which is not 100% true). Gwen had a date with Harry because Peter was oblivious to her advances earlier, he turned down Mary Jane's offer to hang out with her so he could spend time with his recovering Aunt (which he did) and we don't see Mary Jane for the remainder of that comic. Aunt May going to the movies with her friend to celebrate feeling better is a breaking point for Peter? Come on now. I don't get how you wrote off Peter quitting in Spider-Man 2 as him wanting to get laid as if we hadn't the spent half of that movie showing how being Spider-Man is ruining his life. There is no reason in FFH as to why Peter wants to quit being Spider-Man other than him wanting to be on vacation and to ask a girl out. How in the world is that a more accurate representation to that story than what Spider-Man 2 did?
True. Really true
Peter quit being Spider-Man because he just lost a close friend, died and came back, and had to stress out over the fact that people want him to be the new Ironman. He didn’t quit for MJ he quit because being a hero left a toll on him.
@@Remix-pr4xd The movie made it loud and clear numerous of times that the ONLY reason Peter wants a vacation is because he had this plan to ask Michelle out. That's it. Every time the Blip is mentioned in Far From Home, it's played for laughs.
You claim Peter is also stressed out over people wanting him to be the next Iron Man but yet we barely see him struggle with that and then they resolve it with him learning from Happy that he shouldn't try to be Iron Man (which is what he learned in Homecoming from Stark himself!). If you ask me, the only struggle Peter has in Far From Home is him struggling to give a fuck about anything other than his vacation plans. Them throwing the Iron Man stuff into this movie was so unnecessary and clumsy in and of itself and this movie should've focused on Peter being THE SPIDER-MAN and saving New York (which he STILL hasn't done).
@@ericdxfan511 The movie shows us several times that Peter is stressed over the whole Ironman thing. Fury yells at him about being the next Ironman which almost causes him to tear up, the reporters kept asking him if he will be prepared if aliens come back which causes Peter to tense up and leave the interview, and he gives Mysterio his glasses because he believes Mysterio will be a better hero then him which comes back to bite him later.
@@Remix-pr4xd Fury yelled at Peter over the Drone Strike after Peter hypocritically showed concerned that Fury was putting his friends in danger. Fury also told Peter that Stark made him an Avenger and that Peter should step up. The only reason he's stressed over everything you mentioned is because it's getting in the way of his plans with Michelle, not because he doesn't feel like he's good enough, or it's too much for him to handle, or he has PTSD from blipping in Infinity War and losing Stark. Peter LITERALLY says in the movie that he didn't think he would have to save the world this summer.
Him giving away the glasses to Mysterio was one of the worst parts of that movie and it didn't work. 1. Peter barely knows the guy before he gives him the glasses. 2. Peter's reason for giving him the glasses makes zero sense and just translates to him just wanting to go back on his vacation as fast as possible. 3. Where is he getting this idea that Mysterio would be a better hero than him? Do we see the public and the media preferring Mysterio over Spider-Man which causes Peter to second guess himself? No, mainly because Peter is in a disguise for the majority of the movie so people aren't even aware of Spider-Man's presence during these attacks besides the people who already know his secret identity.
This would've worked alot better had this movie taken place in New York so Peter could be Spider-Man out in the open and Mysterio would play mind games and intentionally make Spider-Man look bad with his illusions in an attempt to make Peter second guess himself in front of the people of New York.
my favorite video on mcu spider-man and im only 18 seconds in. that shows a lot.
Although Tom Holland’s movie’s weren’t the *best* and most comic book accurate Spider-Man films, they were still good in their own right in it’s own little world.
I feel like MCU Peter didn't give enough edge to be considered truly accurate to Stan Lee's run. He just felt too nice and happy go-lucky.
Yo MCU Spiderman is Great. I blame hitop films and tons of other Raimi fan boys for everything.
I blame the writers of the movies
Yep, Hi-Top Films and people like him are the reason why MCU Spider-Man gets a lot of hate.
@@taikivi5677 actually I disagree with that mcu spiderman was just too iron man heavy for me
I grew up on the raimi movies but I would say spectacular spiderman is the best
But fr tho iron man didn't hv to be like main drive so his movies like com'n
@@taikivi5677 at least hi-top has some self-awareness in his nostalgic weakness. I would love to see a conversation/collaboration between IP and Hi-top
I just wished mcu peter made his own main suit instead of stark giving him one thats it really.
i hate the fact that you truly just changed my entire outlook on the mcu films
I love Tom Hollands Spidey. Its a fresh take on the character (which was highly needed) but still manages to keep the core elements of what makes Spiderman, Spiderman.
I love the idea behind this video, I think the only mark it misses is actually applying how stan lee included that other side of spider man outside of the comedic one. The problem most have with the MCU spiderman isnt necessarily that the other ones are better directed but they're better people. Not because the peter in the MCU is a bad person but hes simply LESS of a person due to how they potray his struggles with spider hood and humanity. Great video though i enjoyed it, subbed.
The Avengers harassed Peter and he left. And Johnny was more like an ideal friend than an adult mentor.
One of my favorite superhero characters being talked about by a friendly neighborhood youtuber ❤
Classic spider man is very different how I picture it.
I’m glad that you made this video. Obviously people can have their own opinions on who the best Spider-Man is, but it feels like people just look for any reason to hate on Tom Holland’s Spider-Man and they act like he has no actual character growth or consequences for his mistakes. Like wtf, Far From Home was literally all about him having to fix his mistakes and deal with the consequences. Like, it genuinely baffles me whenever I hear people say that Spider-Man 3 is unironically better than Homecoming and Far From Home (I still enjoy Spider-Man 3, but it’s still technically one of the worst Spider-Man movies because of how cluttered and rushed the story is).
This video is needed in the Spiderman discussion. Too many people hold Raimi's interpretation as some standard that must be honored because anything else is not good enough.
@Andrew Casali Because there is no standard with a characteristic big as Spider-Man there are countless different versions of him that some love and some hate so comparing a completely different version to the one that YOU personally like the best is pretty silly
No it’s fine to have your own opinion just that you shouldn’t put others down for having a different one
@Andrew Casali I haven’t seen Toby getting any hate at all but I’ll take your word for it I guess
The Raimi movies are holden onto as the golden standard, because they are. They are not only good spiderman movies, but also good movies on their own. MCU Spiderman doesnt have 1 good movie that stands on its own.
I think what could be bothering some people after watching these Holland Spider-Man movies would be that those movies usually spend a bigger amount of time on the small jokes and funny interactions between the characters, this way making a little bit harder to develop Peter's entire arc on the movie.
The Raimi and Webb's “style” that was mentioned during the video'd be referring to the idea that they, while studying the character and showing their interpretation, made the whole plot with the objective of showing the full and developed arc of him.
The drama would be a big part of the development that Peter goes through, it wouldn't work if the script showed it as a joke or with a small screen time that wouldn't show Peter's full reaction to it, giving the idea of the “Marvel” lighthearted structure.
i miss stan so much.
Thank you for this video. I feel that when there is a mainstream movie involving a character, even if the movie is good and treats the character well, it could still lead to the creation of misconceptions regarding the character. The Sam Raimi Spiderman Trilogy and Tobey Macquire's Spiderman are great, but there are lots, and I mean lots, of people seem to think that Tobey Macquire's Spiderman is the first Spiderman ever and act as if every Spiderman incarnation should be exactly like him, but that is objectively wrong (I'm wondering if some of the people who say those things have ever read a Spiderman comic book in their lives) and unfair to all incarnations of Spiderman. Ironically enough, if you judge them by comic book accuracy, Tom Holland's and Andrew Garfield's Spiderman portrayals are more comic book accurate than Tobey Macquire's portrayal. And before someone gets the wrong idea, no, "more accurate to the comic books" doesn't mean "better" and it shouldn't be the only argument as to why someone prefers one incarnation of a character over another. There are some aspects of Spidey's character that Tobey's Spiderman handled better than comic book Spiderman (such as Uncle Ben's death). The point that I'm trying to make is that just because one incarnation of the wall-crawler does something differently than our favourite favourite incarnation of the wall-crawler doesn't mean that it does it badly.
Also, wanna know which is my favourite scene in the entire MCU? The scene where Peter breaks down and cries inside the plane next to Happy. When I saw that scene...I felt something. I felt Peter's pain. I related to him. Peter was a young boy who felt that he failed everyone, because of the unrealistically high standard that was set for himself by everyone else...and by himself. He felt enormous guilt for all the mistakes he made, for all the mistakes that led to the situation he is now. But Happy was there to reveal to him that his hero and mentor, Tony, wasn't flawless and perfect. He was flawed. Just like Peter. And that's OK. No one is perfect, but that didn't stop Tony from correcting his wrongs and doing the right thing and that didn't stop Peter from correcting his wrongs and doing the right thing either. I felt sympathy for Peter and respect for Happy from that scene and during the final battle I was rooting for Spiderman as much as possible and very few scenes in all superhero media had such an impact on me. Have you heard of One Marvellous Scene? Well, Happy talking to Peter on the plane is my One Marvellous Scene. Everyone, have a good day.
@Andrew Casali I never said that people who like Tobey's Spiderman and dislike Tom's Spiderman are toxic. I like both Tobey's and Tom's portrayals of Spiderman. Tobey's, Andrew's and Tom's portrayal of the wall-crawler are all special in their own right and everyone has the right to like them or dislike them. I was simply talking about an unfair stance some people (some, not everyone) hold against MCU Spiderman. I feel that (at least for the most part) there isn't a definitive version of any fictional character. A youtuber called Omni Viewer made a good video discussing that topic called "The myth of the Definitive Godzilla". Sam Raimi's Spiderman and MCU Spiderman are different incarnations of the wall-crawler that try different things with the character of Spiderman. If my comment didn't change your opinion about MCU Spiderman, then that's perfectly OK and I'm sure you have solid reasons to justify yourself. Well, those were my 2 cents in the debate. Have a good day.
@Andrew Casali Thanks. Have a good day.
I think the main thing people don’t like about the films is that MCU Peter doesn’t have any life altering consequences until ffh mid credit scene. The stories that are told are good but Peter is meant to resemble the every man, he is supposed to struggle and fall but always get up to conquer any issues. My favorite Holland moment came in homecoming when the building fell on him and he had to dig himself out and not rely on anyone but himself. He is the teen who makes his own suits out of what he comes by, he struggles to make payments, he’s always falling behind in his personal life due to his Spider-Man life. Having someone like Tony there makes all of his relatable problems vanish
I'm so glad I found this channel.
Thanks so much for this. I really appreciate it.
You may have just changed my mind about those films, and I didn't think it could be done. I always loved Holland's performance, but I hate the jet-setting, private-school milieu, which IMHO is exactly the opposite of the hardscrabble life shown by Lee & Ditko. But you're dead right about Peter's rough edges, his initial callousness, his over-the-top cockiness. Maybe the character work is good enough to outweigh the unwonted luxury.
Check out closer look video on far from home. You will understand why people have problem with him from writing perspective. Even if you don't take it as a spiderman movie and just a movie, you will start finding flaws here and there spread throughout the movie
@@jojosoni6355 He doesn’t explain
Overall I think MCU Spider-Man is fine. Not my favourite incarnation of the character, but not the worst thing either. I can respect what they’ve tried to do with him and the juggling act of Disney and Sony working together on all this.
I don’t think he should be attacked. Not every incarnation of a character will hit for people. Just have to hope the next one works for them better since it’s Spider-Man and he’ll undoubtedly get rebooted again someday.
im so glad to finally see some positive opinions on mcu spidey, i belive the best part of all is we actually have 3 spidermen who feel different from one another and i personaly love that.
I like MCU Spidey a lot… I just wish he’d get mad more. Think about Toby when goblin threatened Marry Janes life. He freaked out and those type of Spider-Man moments are the best and I hope to see them in the new movie
The genie has granted your wish of the new movie I see.
Although there was Peter getting mad at Stark in the first so there’s that. I don’t think that qualifies though.
To each there own. I appreciate how you tried to tie the MCU Spidey back to the comics and I see your point but have to disagree.
I read the comics years ago (around the time of “One More Day” so I probably didn’t pick the best time to get into them lol) starting with the original issues and for sure. Peter was an asshole in the beginning. He was selfish and it was that selfishness that led to Uncle Ben’s death. In my opinion MCU Spidey did this the worst because (as you said yourself) he was far too likable in these movies.
I remember thinking how he thought of the Avengers, Fantastic 4, and tried but couldn’t work with them. If something like that happened in the MCU movies it would’ve been great. And I think that’s what they tried to do in Homecoming with the Stark suit but it felt all wrong cause he didn’t even loose it until the third act of the film. Maybe if they did it with him losing it way early on and earning it throughout the film it would’ve worked better. Because that’s always been my issue with this Spidey. Nothing feels earned.
SPOILERS FOR NWH:
Now that said, I liked NWH a lot. This film finally had stakes and felt like it mattered. Dr. Strange pointed out my biggest problem with him when he said “You didn’t even think of calling them before having me wipe everyone’s memory?” That was great and gave me much hope moving forward. In the end, he had to sacrifice everyone knowing who he is to literally save the world. He is now on his own and has to grow up. He finally has to take responsibility for his actions and can’t turn to his magic or rich friends to get him out of his own messes anymore. I love that. He finally feels like Spider-Man.
I hated “Homecoming” and even “Far From Home” is my second least favorite Spidey media (yes. More than TASM2 and SM3) but it looks like they’re finally done with Iron Boy and that he’s actually going to be Spider-Man now. I’m hopeful for the future of Spidey in the MCU. Does it fix or retroactively justify the first two “Home” movies or how cringey is writing was in the Avengers films? No. But this soft reboot feels like they’re finally going in the right direction. Hopefully it’ll be good enough to forget the others even exist.
And that new suit looks amazing! Major “Web of Shadows vibes”
Reminds me if gubz video with the same title except switch out tom for andrew i agree all spidermen deserve live unlike some others who hate just because they like the others better although i do prefer andrews spiderman i still really enjoy the others, always love your videos mate
THIS is the video that finally put into words what I’ve been trying to say. I hope people don’t dumb this down to “oh the original comics were funny so thats why they like the movies” thats not what we’re saying. Its about capturing that original feel. Hopefully if they make more movies they can capture the feel of the later comics aswell.
1:00 Ok, but when he crashes the bikes with Flash's car, funniest scene of the movie 😂
No matter how many times you tried to defend MCU Spider-Man, there's always these people in the comments section disagreeing. They're honestly quite sad and exactly the same kind of person who would jump on the hate bandwagon because of how new it is. (Remember when TASM gets shit on because it was nothing like the Raimi Trilogy) Mark my words, when Miles Morales becomes the main Spider-Man in the MCU a decade or so from now, people would start to defend MCU Peter and hate on Miles. The cycle continues.
That's false, a Miles Morales movie already exists, and it was extremely beloved by the Spider-man community in general.
You know why? Because unlike MCU Spider-man, they actually got the characters right.
@@Snaoe I know, I absolutely loved Into the Spider Verse. But when the time comes for the MCU to introduce Miles and does something different with him, people would go compare ITSV with MCU Miles. It's inevitable at this point.
@@TheSpeedMason mcu spiderman is basically comic miles morales how would that work
@@Eking-su3tr He sort of is, MCU Miles is definitely going to be very different from it's comics counterpart. ITSV's Miles is pretty different from comics Miles anyway, and they pulled it off very well.
Uh... There is a miles movie... I've never met a person who disliked it? What the fuck are you talking about?
I sense a hint of bitterness for the Sam ramey flims at certain points if I'ma be honest. Watering down one of the best spider man movies if not one of the best super hero movies plot points. To "just wanting to smash" kinda feels like you missed the whole point of why he lost his powers in that movie. Especially when later on it's very well shown on why he needs to be spider man. And Peter himself cones to that realization, but that's just my opinion. Otherwise I think there's a lot of valid points made in this video.
Stan, Steve and john and all those dudes made some p cool spuderguy books
See the problem with people who hate on this Spider-Man is that they always judge it based on the movies that came before. While failing to dive into the source material that this version of Spider-Man follows pretty well.