Alright, in this experiment I tried using a new narrative theory, and a new structure where I try to tell a story first as opposed to purely analyse, as a result, this was an incredibly convulated project to write, so I can only hope it makes sense. This video was also supposed to come out 2 weeks ago, but then I needed to get my Saving Private Ryans video finished first and then I realised I should get the One X-Cellent finally done too so it can come out close to this. But regardless, this next essay is on Miles Morales.
It definitely made sense. It was a fun one to follow along with, and really made me think about the character in a way I had never considered (especially with his reversed role in Dark Phoenix as the one most driven by fear, and how that ending contrasts so sharply with that of Logan).
Hey I just wanted to ask what the name of the acoustic guitar music you use around the 10 minute mark that you have used in other video. I enjoy the song.
After Days of Future Past she stopped putting effort into her performance because apparently being in Hunger Games went to her head and made her think she was above the X-Men films.
I agree, the younger Charles is a more full-fledged character and I honestly the point he makes about Charles arc in this video would've been anywhere as impactful if the movies just followed older Charles.
James McAvoy and Patrick Stewart's scene where they play off each other is the greatest, because I believe it shows off Xaviers greatest gift and his curse, which is not his telepathy, but his empathy.
His tragedy is writers who either see him as boring and try to spice him up in the bad ways, writers that outright hate and don't like him and just bad writing overall
Comics Xavier is exactly like this as well. In the 60's he just started out as the idealistic mentor figure with a dream but as the comics went on writers pushed Xavier into deeper and deeper acts of moral ambiguity, even crossing the line a couple times. Professor X is supposed to be the moral heart of the X-Men but how can he be when he himself keeps compromising his own morals?
Well, things didn't get QUITE as bad as they did for Charles, and Cyclops, in many of the recent comics, and in Ultimate X-Men, etc, thankfully. Still, Dark Phoenix darkens the character a fair bit, and Logan was a pretty overly bleak ending, after the triumphant (and almost climatic) end of Days of Future Past. And of course, Dark Phoenix could not REALLY have been done in a single film, to begin with.
Loved the essay dude; it really got me thinking: This is cathartic af seeing as how in the comics right now Xavier is living his dream, and it is sort of problematic, as upsetting as it is Charles is better off outliving his political pursuits than he is in succeeding at peace, while alive, because his prerogative lies within the fight, and his humanity lies in his position as a leader of change. The endings he gets in the films may seem bleak, but are the only way his dream lives and Xavier doesn’t lose what makes him/his vision good. Therefore, while tragic it could be argued that both endings are bitter sweet, Logan especially when taking in to account the kids, and how Charles’s demise can be viewed as a form of martyrdom for the dream.
Wow blown away by this one. I always really liked xaviers story even though it hardly ends with him being completely happy with the world, but no true story can.
Oh Charles... He achieved a sort of peace in the comics... The issue Is that is more un isolation rather than coexistence and giving the fact that Franklin Richards ran out of power again his plan for preventing the worst for the mutants is now un danger...
Speaking of timelines, based on Marvel's UNIVERSE classification system on the Marvel Database, the original X-Men Timeline is Earth-10005. The Days Of Future Past Timeline is Earth-TRN414, TRN stands for Temporary Reality Number which is what all new timelines get, when a new Universe is shown in the form of a new Movie, TV Series, Video Game, Motion Comic, or Comic. Then eventually they get a new OFFICIAL number at San Diego Comic Con in the following years. But, LOGAN is Marvel Earth-17315. Completely different to TRN414 which is the Days Of Future Past Timeline Future. So LOGAN is an alternate future, and still so incredibly sad and perfect, and Dark Phoenix is a mutually exclusive ending, compared to LOGAN.
love love love this video. xmen movie analysis on youtube is far + few between (especially when it comes to charles) so this was so great to find. i think charles in dark phoenix is the most echo of comics charles + his ~dark side~ while xmfc-dp charles is simultaneously an example of what comics charles could've been with intervention before he became set in his trauma + privilege-induced ways. the idea of the knowledge of hopeless futures hardening charles is also extremely relevant to his comics self in conversation with the house of x/powers of x comics reboot (idk if youre a Comics Enjoyer but! yeah there's a lot of retcon madness going on with that)
As I understand it, the reason Logan takes place in the new timeline but can reference and acknowledge the old one is because when Logan wakes up in the new timeline at the end of Days of Future Past, he still has the memories of the old timeline and therefor Charles can read his mind to know Logan's past. At least that's my head canon of it all.
I personally believe most of the new timeline is on a similar path as the original trilogy, but there were some changes in order to keep the DOFP good ending in tact. No X3/X2, but there was a similar journey in X1, since Rogue still has a white streak in her hair and is still dating Iceman like in the trilogy.
Humor. Sly, snarky intelligence. You are so clever, sir. This is on Par with the Erik video. There is Sooo much to discuss about the Man with a Dream.. (That last bit was the better ending.) :)
Probably one of the few feel good moments they decided to give Charles. Growing up on the movies and the cartoon - I hated how much they gaslighted him just so they can make a MeToo/Feminist commentary in the Dark Phoenix movie.
I thought that was a great way to X-plore Charles journey. Logan for me was a heartbreak of a movie and it was great to see those thoughts contrasted with the other movies
When you said "in conclusion" I was like SHTAWP! That was beautiful, I've got goosebumps, shut up, stop right there. And then you didn't say anything else. Laughed my head off. Well done 😂
makes sense since a different teams were working on those 2 films. Also the franchise did not have a goal to make building blocks for. Each of the rebooted series were mostly self-contained stories that couldn't change too much to affect their previous films continuity. Logan focused at the very end of the timeline to tell a closing story, while the new movies were set to continue as long as they could (before Disney put in the deal to buy Fox). Apparently, Fox were in development of a franchise plan starting with Dark Pheonix, but that never came to fruition.
This made me appreciate dark pinks a lot more although I still think it was a poor adaptation to the comics but it made me be able to stand movie so thank you for that
This video right here is why I keep coming back. Wow. And yeah that's part right before the "conclusion" was the part that made me say Damn, so yeah perfect end point.
i have a theory there are 3 completely independent universes and stories being told and the actors are just playing multiple versions of themselves. U1: Xmen 1-3 U2: Origins/Wolverine/Logan U3: FC/DOFP/A/DF i separated u1 and u2 because i think Logan both fits better as a conclusion to the previous to solo films, but also Logan went out of its way to distance itself from the events of U1. U3’s time travel also takes place within itself although again several similar things to U1 may occur, and the actors reprise their roles(mostly). obviously this isnt really likely but if you treat each series as independent, much less plot holes and annoyances appear
They're alternate universe characters that were put into the same timeline. They don't really have the same character or behavior. Stewart wouldnt have acted like McAvoy when he was a young man and McAvoy Xavior wouldnt have acted like stewart when hes older. That's like saying theres a character ark between Aaron taylor Johnson and evan Peters just because their timelines have come together
With Logan Xavier mentioning pre-soft boot events. He is well aware that the logan he is talking to is not the Logan Jean released in Apocalypse. He also read Longan's mind/history so he's well aware of Logan's story from the original timeline. The Pheonix is pretty simple too, it's inside Jean and got boosted by the force in space.
@@nont18411 Hilariously, Screen Rant *just* posted an article today about how people mistakenly think that. Apparently the "X" means "Ex-tra power". Which is just... ugh.
Am I wrong for thinking that the next Xmen series shouldn't have Professor X in it. I mean since fox is dead we can have back all the mutants. Feels like it would be interesting to have the conflict be between mutants who can pass and those who can't in human life instead of the same weak prejudice allegory it usually leans on.
I think I have it now A man chasing a dream became a prisoner of its impossibility. Inevitably captivated people believing in that dream. The positive imagination of this dreamer has the possibility the tide. In the end he outlines his dream or his dream outlives him. As the life of a dreamer can be impossibility bleak. That is what I got from that. Following a dream is hard so his story severs as a warning and both a hope of the implication that dreamers have the power to change the world.
It’s not that hard to assume that Logan still became a caged fighter in the current timeline after he escaped weapon x and since Charles didn’t mention rogue there, we can assume that Charles is the one that tracked him down and found him at that cage match.
Original Timeline = X-Men Origins X-Men: First Class X-Men X2 X-Men: The Last Stand The Wolverine X-Men: Days of Future Past New Timeline = X-Men: First Class X-Men: Days of Future Past X-Men: Apocalypse Dark Phoenix Deadpool The New Mutants Logan The Deadpool Timeline = X-Men: Days of Future Past X-Men: Apocalypse Dark Phoenix Deadpool Deadpool 2 Deadpool & Wolverine Logan
I've never been able to like prof x, even in the early movies, to me he was just another white man of authority who wants to help the oppressed through his own ideals of controls.
Alright, in this experiment I tried using a new narrative theory, and a new structure where I try to tell a story first as opposed to purely analyse, as a result, this was an incredibly convulated project to write, so I can only hope it makes sense. This video was also supposed to come out 2 weeks ago, but then I needed to get my Saving Private Ryans video finished first and then I realised I should get the One X-Cellent finally done too so it can come out close to this. But regardless, this next essay is on Miles Morales.
It definitely made sense. It was a fun one to follow along with, and really made me think about the character in a way I had never considered (especially with his reversed role in Dark Phoenix as the one most driven by fear, and how that ending contrasts so sharply with that of Logan).
@Implicitly pretentious this was a great video but I'm curious when are you going to get to your men of steel and unbreakable comparison video
I liked it it was an amazing video and it made complete and utter sense thank you also look at my other comments for more context to my thank you
Hey I just wanted to ask what the name of the acoustic guitar music you use around the 10 minute mark that you have used in other video. I enjoy the song.
@@jubinfinity same
I love how you didn't even call JL's mystique
You just called her Jennifer Lawrence
Truth be told, my lisp would've made me say "Myshplique"
@@ImplicitlyPretentious lol
After Days of Future Past she stopped putting effort into her performance because apparently being in Hunger Games went to her head and made her think she was above the X-Men films.
"The tragedy of it all is that, in the end, he either outlives his dream, or his dream outlives him"
I love the younger version of Charles more than the older version although (the only time I didn't like the young version was in X-Men dark Phoenix)
I agree, the younger Charles is a more full-fledged character and I honestly the point he makes about Charles arc in this video would've been anywhere as impactful if the movies just followed older Charles.
James McAvoy and Patrick Stewart's scene where they play off each other is the greatest, because I believe it shows off Xaviers greatest gift and his curse, which is not his telepathy, but his empathy.
His tragedy is writers who either see him as boring and try to spice him up in the bad ways, writers that outright hate and don't like him and just bad writing overall
Comics Xavier is exactly like this as well. In the 60's he just started out as the idealistic mentor figure with a dream but as the comics went on writers pushed Xavier into deeper and deeper acts of moral ambiguity, even crossing the line a couple times. Professor X is supposed to be the moral heart of the X-Men but how can he be when he himself keeps compromising his own morals?
Globalists ruin everything.
Well, things didn't get QUITE as bad as they did for Charles, and Cyclops, in many of the recent comics, and in Ultimate X-Men, etc, thankfully.
Still, Dark Phoenix darkens the character a fair bit, and Logan was a pretty overly bleak ending, after the triumphant (and almost climatic) end of Days of Future Past.
And of course, Dark Phoenix could not REALLY have been done in a single film, to begin with.
Cramping it into one film wasn't the plan in the beginning, they planned two films, you can look it up
Loved the essay dude; it really got me thinking:
This is cathartic af seeing as how in the comics right now Xavier is living his dream, and it is sort of problematic, as upsetting as it is Charles is better off outliving his political pursuits than he is in succeeding at peace, while alive, because his prerogative lies within the fight, and his humanity lies in his position as a leader of change. The endings he gets in the films may seem bleak, but are the only way his dream lives and Xavier doesn’t lose what makes him/his vision good. Therefore, while tragic it could be argued that both endings are bitter sweet, Logan especially when taking in to account the kids, and how Charles’s demise can be viewed as a form of martyrdom for the dream.
Never properly watched the x-men movies so I did not realize how much of a tragic character Xavier is.
Thanks, I'm sad now.
I suggest watch the series through Logan eyes
Any theory about how the time travel stuff turned Xavier from American to British?
Why have I never noticed Patrick Stewart altered his accent in X1, 2, 3 and Logan I feel stupid lmao
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Wow blown away by this one. I always really liked xaviers story even though it hardly ends with him being completely happy with the world, but no true story can.
Oh wow thanks! I'm really relieve to hear that cuz this essay was a mess to make, so I had clue if it came off well at all!
Im really enjoying this content! (im new here)
Ooh yeah this guy is a gifted movie analyst
Have fun with the back-log!
^_^
Sameee!
Welcome! ☺️
Check out Filmento as well.
Oh Charles... He achieved a sort of peace in the comics... The issue Is that is more un isolation rather than coexistence and giving the fact that Franklin Richards ran out of power again his plan for preventing the worst for the mutants is now un danger...
This guy deserves more subs
Lol that makes me more anxious 😂
Speaking of timelines, based on Marvel's UNIVERSE classification system on the Marvel Database, the original X-Men Timeline is Earth-10005. The Days Of Future Past Timeline is Earth-TRN414, TRN stands for Temporary Reality Number which is what all new timelines get, when a new Universe is shown in the form of a new Movie, TV Series, Video Game, Motion Comic, or Comic. Then eventually they get a new OFFICIAL number at San Diego Comic Con in the following years. But, LOGAN is Marvel Earth-17315. Completely different to TRN414 which is the Days Of Future Past Timeline Future. So LOGAN is an alternate future, and still so incredibly sad and perfect, and Dark Phoenix is a mutually exclusive ending, compared to LOGAN.
love love love this video. xmen movie analysis on youtube is far + few between (especially when it comes to charles) so this was so great to find.
i think charles in dark phoenix is the most echo of comics charles + his ~dark side~ while xmfc-dp charles is simultaneously an example of what comics charles could've been with intervention before he became set in his trauma + privilege-induced ways. the idea of the knowledge of hopeless futures hardening charles is also extremely relevant to his comics self in conversation with the house of x/powers of x comics reboot (idk if youre a Comics Enjoyer but! yeah there's a lot of retcon madness going on with that)
As I understand it, the reason Logan takes place in the new timeline but can reference and acknowledge the old one is because when Logan wakes up in the new timeline at the end of Days of Future Past, he still has the memories of the old timeline and therefor Charles can read his mind to know Logan's past. At least that's my head canon of it all.
I personally believe most of the new timeline is on a similar path as the original trilogy, but there were some changes in order to keep the DOFP good ending in tact. No X3/X2, but there was a similar journey in X1, since Rogue still has a white streak in her hair and is still dating Iceman like in the trilogy.
Humor. Sly, snarky intelligence. You are so clever, sir.
This is on Par with the Erik video.
There is Sooo much to discuss about the Man with a Dream..
(That last bit was the better ending.) :)
Aww thanks! I think that's one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me ☺️
0:54 yeah, I ignored everything that was in Dark phoenix except this moment. My shipper goggles were tied on tight for this.
Probably one of the few feel good moments they decided to give Charles. Growing up on the movies and the cartoon - I hated how much they gaslighted him just so they can make a MeToo/Feminist commentary in the Dark Phoenix movie.
Paris proposal ftw
I thought that was a great way to X-plore Charles journey. Logan for me was a heartbreak of a movie and it was great to see those thoughts contrasted with the other movies
I love your essays, they’re so damn good. keep up the good work man
Thank you! ☺️
When you said "in conclusion" I was like SHTAWP! That was beautiful, I've got goosebumps, shut up, stop right there. And then you didn't say anything else. Laughed my head off. Well done 😂
You make any movie sound like a masterpiece
The most confusing part is between days of future past and logan
makes sense since a different teams were working on those 2 films. Also the franchise did not have a goal to make building blocks for. Each of the rebooted series were mostly self-contained stories that couldn't change too much to affect their previous films continuity. Logan focused at the very end of the timeline to tell a closing story, while the new movies were set to continue as long as they could (before Disney put in the deal to buy Fox). Apparently, Fox were in development of a franchise plan starting with Dark Pheonix, but that never came to fruition.
This made me appreciate dark pinks a lot more although I still think it was a poor adaptation to the comics but it made me be able to stand movie so thank you for that
Thanks!
7:17 you know, I would not have minded seeing that movie. Including the part where Charles figures out that Kurt is his nephew.
Cheers to you! Trying to make sense of the X-Men CU and pull an overarching theme/story out of it is a real brain wrinkle.
Aww thanks! 😊
I definitely feel it's better for your dreams to outlive you when they are noble ones like Xavier's.
This video right here is why I keep coming back. Wow. And yeah that's part right before the "conclusion" was the part that made me say Damn, so yeah perfect end point.
Ptobably my favorite video of yours because hope is always the best thing to discuss
i have a theory there are 3 completely independent universes and stories being told and the actors are just playing multiple versions of themselves.
U1: Xmen 1-3
U2: Origins/Wolverine/Logan
U3: FC/DOFP/A/DF
i separated u1 and u2 because i think Logan both fits better as a conclusion to the previous to solo films, but also Logan went out of its way to distance itself from the events of U1.
U3’s time travel also takes place within itself although again several similar things to U1 may occur, and the actors reprise their roles(mostly).
obviously this isnt really likely but if you treat each series as independent, much less plot holes and annoyances appear
Always love these videos so well made
Aww thanks ☺️☺️
Charles Xavier has like five different endings. Only one of which ends well for him, “Days of Future Past” (post-timeline change).
That intro is amazing ngl, keep up the awesome work
Is that not a legacy his dream outlives him. His cause is taken up by his students
They're alternate universe characters that were put into the same timeline. They don't really have the same character or behavior. Stewart wouldnt have acted like McAvoy when he was a young man and McAvoy Xavior wouldnt have acted like stewart when hes older. That's like saying theres a character ark between Aaron taylor Johnson and evan Peters just because their timelines have come together
I love your conclusions they are superb
I think it would be easier for you to break down the 90's cartoon Xavier, the cinematic X men as a while wasn't very cohesive by its ideas and themes
With Logan Xavier mentioning pre-soft boot events. He is well aware that the logan he is talking to is not the Logan Jean released in Apocalypse. He also read Longan's mind/history so he's well aware of Logan's story from the original timeline.
The Pheonix is pretty simple too, it's inside Jean and got boosted by the force in space.
Thank you for this videos, keep going
Thank you for watching them! :)
That husband joke caught me off guard 🤣
Underrated x men character
Yeah and aww thanks for coming back man!
And he should not be underrated at all! Because the team name came from him (X-men, “Xavier men”)
@@nont18411 Hilariously, Screen Rant *just* posted an article today about how people mistakenly think that. Apparently the "X" means "Ex-tra power". Which is just... ugh.
Better for the dream to outlive you
We really need a link to this guys guitar intro it's so good I love the guitar beginning and then the change to a happier tune
you should do the rise, fall and redemption of darth vader, if you get the time
Excellent. Thank you.
As opposed to futures past comic when the phoenix force sent kitty pryde back in time.
Am I wrong for thinking that the next Xmen series shouldn't have Professor X in it. I mean since fox is dead we can have back all the mutants. Feels like it would be interesting to have the conflict be between mutants who can pass and those who can't in human life instead of the same weak prejudice allegory it usually leans on.
This is my 3rd time watch this because I need really need to digest all of what your saying here.
I think I have it now
A man chasing a dream became a prisoner of its impossibility. Inevitably captivated people believing in that dream. The positive imagination of this dreamer has the possibility the tide. In the end he outlines his dream or his dream outlives him. As the life of a dreamer can be impossibility bleak. That is what I got from that. Following a dream is hard so his story severs as a warning and both a hope of the implication that dreamers have the power to change the world.
And we're not even up to the part with the Red Skull and the brain bit yet.
It’s not that hard to assume that Logan still became a caged fighter in the current timeline after he escaped weapon x and since Charles didn’t mention rogue there, we can assume that Charles is the one that tracked him down and found him at that cage match.
Love both Xs, interested if they bring House of X Xavier to the MCU!
Sorry if i'm don't comment that often, sometimes i just don't know what to say, lol, but i watch all of your( great ) vids, so don't worry
GREAT VID
Headed for Onslaught?
Love it
Xavier kind of reminds me of Tony Stark
Original Timeline =
X-Men Origins
X-Men: First Class
X-Men
X2
X-Men: The Last Stand
The Wolverine
X-Men: Days of Future Past
New Timeline =
X-Men: First Class
X-Men: Days of Future Past
X-Men: Apocalypse
Dark Phoenix
Deadpool
The New Mutants
Logan
The Deadpool Timeline =
X-Men: Days of Future Past
X-Men: Apocalypse
Dark Phoenix
Deadpool
Deadpool 2
Deadpool & Wolverine
Logan
Im watching this high on shrooms.........mind blown
Your vids are too good, this won was just great, even if a bit of a downer, lol.
Shoot, I'll have to hold off on watching this one until I've seen Dark Pheonix(which I can't stream anywhere!).
Let me tell you, as someone who saw it in theaters: it's a waste of time. I'd try pirate it lol
@@deaf-tomcat Telling you as someone who pirated it, it was a waste of money even when pirated.
The time wasted alone is a massive loss.
Wooooow.
5:12
nice :)
Xavier is a man imprisoned by an impossible dream... oof. I need to do some introspection.
PLEASE WATCH AND DISSECT LEGION! I think you'd have a great time doing it. It's about Charles's child who is an Omega level mutant.
We have it in us to be the better men...
4:43 what movie is that from?
X-Men The Last Stand post credit scene
Anyone know the song that starts at 10:59?
Lol, keep em coming 👍
Do the Live Die Repeat Edge of Tomorrow
whats the name of the music that plays at start?
It's called Ok Pop Ko
Hey dude, how old are ya?
4th.
I feel famous now
@@ImplicitlyPretentious Lol, thanks I love your videos, I'm trying to watch through all of them now.
One thing I hate about the reboot Xavier is that he is always trying to control the women around him. He abuses his power.
Yea hence why we all promptly ignore dark pheonox😂 itw as a garbage film
Nonsense. There is nothing even remotely " simple " about being an empath.
Xavier IS bald
EFAP are you watching this ? 😆
bruh, no translate button :(
Ich scheiße in die Hose
In conclusion: he's a liberal
Too much hiss, hard to listen to. Use a de-esser maybe
First
I've never been able to like prof x, even in the early movies, to me he was just another white man of authority who wants to help the oppressed through his own ideals of controls.