Cool hearing Thens voice for the first time! This is great way to frame a cut content discussion, I'll be watching later and I'll edit some reactions into this post! I've learned a bunch from Thens, he's the right guy for this. ❤
Got my first job roofing for a week just to earn the cash to buy DeS. Walked into GameStop in 2009, covered in tar and debris, handed up a wad of cash "one demons souls please." Passed out reading the back of the box during dinner.
The unnerved or 'crestfallen' warrior in the Nexus has a few cut dialogue lines discussing the true death mechanic. Before watching this video, I thought his lines saying "if you die once more, you'll lose everything" and "get that corpse of yours back before it rots" and "so you've died completely this time" were just awkward ways of discussing the loss of a bloodstain---so I couldn't really understand why they were all cut. Interesting stuff.
Awesome to see Thens here! got a chance to meet him in a DeS server and he's a super cool guy, been very interested in his northern limit restoration. 🙏
Edit: I finished the video now. The Maneater animation at 1:25:42 is actually still in the final game -- it's the Maneater's buff technique. The snake tail bites the Maneater and begins making it glow with a yellow/golden energy that increases the amount of damage the Maneater does per attack. Also, the Flamelurker does have some changes throughout his fight in the final game, though they don't incorporate anything close to his unused techniques by any means. The Flamelurker glows more intensely and does more damage as the fight goes on/as he takes more damage. Additionally, the Flamelurker swaps out his quick clenched hands pounce attack for a winding jump punch that either does really low damage or instead does none and it's his "burn foes on contact" damage that harms foes during/immediately after the move. Thanks for the nice summary of all the unused things Demon's Souls fans have discovered in the game's code!
some of the information I had was from the wiki, and that was one of the parts. Sadly I didn't check to see if the man-eater one was used or not due to time constraints. Thanks for pointing that out though!
I'm so glad there are people that talk about Demon's Souls still, I love the game a lot! Thanks for the content, can't wait to get my hands on Lokey's book about it too!
Amazing work! It's really good to see all this laid out and explained. This community grows and learns more every day thanks to everyone's shared love of the game. I can't wait to see what we can do with modding and content in the future!
Great format for a video. I'm a big fan/researcher of cut content in FROM works for how mysterious and interesting it can be (gives me fond feelings of old SoTC mysteries from a time before datamining and information on the topics was less available). And it was perfect to have someone as knowledgeable as Thens to speak on the video. I wonder if something akin could be possible for any of the other titles... 🤔
I wish the pictures of the cut content things would stay longer since this video is over 2 hours long and only has gameplay to fill in otherwise so I use it like a podcast.
This is a great video, but could you not have kept the images of the unused content on screen for longer? You show them for like 2 seconds and then go back to gameplay
I wanted to say being that demons souls was my first souls game. I was disappointed playing the later souls game not really having a blueblood equivalent… like it totally makes the broken sword useful. To my knowledge it’s the only game with a special upgrade path!
Gears of War was made by Epic for the Xbox 360 and it ran on Unreal Engine 3. Maybe since Demon's was very experimental they were trying to switch to another engine when it almost got cancelled or were simply experimenting importing assets from different engines or, lastly, since in this era a lot of their games were multiplatform it was just an asset from the Xbox dev kit (probably this one).
There is an actul version of gears of war that you can play on the PS3 dev console, but it is not optimized to run smoothly. You also need a keyboard to enter the level. Tho I don't know why a model from one game would end up in another game. Mabey some dev worked on Gears of War, but then worked on DeS and just decided to use this model?
True Death to me, just the way it was described, sounds like a third form you can have. Like, die as human and you become a soul, die as a soul and you get true death. Then, you're encouraged to do the multiplayer to regain your humanity so you can avoid losing your items the next time you die and have to go recollect them. Imagine human and soul form being exactly the same, but with the addition of losing items in soul form. Honestly, I don't think I'd love this game as much as I do if that were in the game.
Now that's what I would call a Great content Two hours of Nerds talking about demon's souls, that's awesome Hope that @Thens_DeS had a better mic to have his voice in both Channels, but nonetheless I will take this content every day of the week Keep this amazing work please and thank to both of you.
Really good first video but the second part is easily the one I'm more interested in. There's so much going on with the Northern Limit it really shouldn't have been cut nor ignored with the remake.
I've only played the remake and was surprised to learn that the maneaters tail biting itself is not in the original. This was fully implemented in the remake. It will happen occasionally and allow you to get some hits in, presumably to curb the difficulty of the fight a bit. Also very nice thematically to show the monk is cruel even to those who guard him. Surprising to see the remake make an actual improvement mechanically, even if it was still invented by the original team.
The technique is actually in the original game too, and it functions as a buff that gives the Maneater a golden/yellow glow and increased attack power.
Love the video but why do you show the model for like 2 seconds and talk about it for much longer with random gameplay in the background? I was listening without watching and when they mentioned the owl or wounded wolf etc it was so hard to scrub around and look for the subject of the discussion, especially when the footage we see instead is completely meaningless....idk just a tiny complaint, thank you for the video
The Maneaters' snake tails don't bite them in the original game? I have only played the remake and they do this! It's really weird to see, until I played through a few times I wasn't sure what was happening but it's exactly this. The Maneater doubles over incapacitated for a moment while it gets abused by the tail. Maybe Bluepoint revived it?
Strange, the Wikidot wiki lists it as an attack in the original version: "Power Boost. The snake tail bites the back of the neck of the Maneater. The Demon will be immobilized for several seconds, thus allowing this boost to be interrupted. If not interrupted, the upper body of the Demon will glow yellow, signaling a significant increase in damage. This boosts lasts for approximately 30 seconds." maybe this is a different animation, though. I bet its so dark in that level that most people just didn't notice.
I think the Beastmen enemies could've added something, because I have a bias towards subtropical environments and they (+the crocodile) seem like they'd fit in there. Though at this point that's just me writing fanfiction about something that isn't really even hinted at.
So the being summoned as a black phantom thing, it may have been redone as the covenant system in bloodborne with the potential for vileblood vs executioner if one summons the other as a co op summon.
Iam with you guys.. demons souls is my favorite.. I love ds1 and 2 and 3.. Elden ring and sekiro is great.. but I always go back to demons souls.. I feel like it’s got the right amount of jank but the lore and world tendency thing to me was always more interesting to me
Alright, how are two NPC's less interesting than a torch? lol Think I would have put the torch in the uninteresting but shouldn't have been cut box. Love you
I see Demon Souls rabbit hole and I think to 2010ish and finishing Demon Souls thinking "woah they even left that ambiguous, your character could be good or evil or however but the bad option is world ends in fog" - and then starting Dark Souls - "In the beginning there was nothing but the Endless fog and Dragons...." 👀 ah I think I know how this world started guys.... Then Bloodbourne- The "Great Old Ones" (👀👀👀) coming from space with Mad appetites and a weird form of reproduction in which someone mantles their being.... has anyone played Demon Souls lol. I kinda expected Ellen Ring to be a bit clearer on how you would equal a cosmic being but it seems the point was to make it so you'd understand how difficult it is to interact with them? You tell me
Fyi you can change your phone audio to mono (at least with Android) in accessibility sound settings. And on Windows you can change to mono audio in the Settings as well
@@AesirAesthetics I mean you could ask a certain someone who can do one better than that but I'm not sure if he'd exactly be willing to talk, he barely even streams nowadays.
These games always have the good the bad and the ugly The good would be saint urbain The bad would be sage freke The ugly would be patches. Saint urbain explains that the souls arts are demonic Sage Freeke goes crazy like big hat Logan over time and explains that the saints unknowingly worship the same god and that miracles are from the great one aswell. And then patches is just a personification of the truth which is men are inherently evil an we can greed is not justified. I’m glad they left children out of the game.
I also prefer to kill the dragon on bridge after you kill the first demon, it saves you dealing with 2 dragons near the end, it does take a while tho😂.
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Cool hearing Thens voice for the first time! This is great way to frame a cut content discussion, I'll be watching later and I'll edit some reactions into this post! I've learned a bunch from Thens, he's the right guy for this. ❤
Thens CANNOT be allowed to keep his beautiful voice from us any longer! >:O
@@AesirAesthetics I'll talk more in my videos eventually 😅
I talk in some of my videos, but I'm really bad at writing scripts. I've gotten a lot better at recording though!
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sorry for the mic issues on my part! The next video I'm on will be better since I actually learned how to record audio.
You sounded fine my dude.
I didn't even notice an issue. Thank you for your insight
Is that why Thens is super quiet in the right channel?
I was wondering if they were going for a unique, stereo dialogue thing.
Left channel*
@@Sam-lf3hn you have to be deaf to think that was fine
It's funny when devs make a random object so essential to their game to the point where if you remove like a jpeg of a gas station it just falls apart
Spaghetti code
lol
My apologies for the occasional clicks and clacks in the background.
The topic demanded a lot of file openings so it couldn't be helped ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Got my first job roofing for a week just to earn the cash to buy DeS. Walked into GameStop in 2009, covered in tar and debris, handed up a wad of cash "one demons souls please." Passed out reading the back of the box during dinner.
Cool story
The unnerved or 'crestfallen' warrior in the Nexus has a few cut dialogue lines discussing the true death mechanic.
Before watching this video, I thought his lines saying "if you die once more, you'll lose everything" and "get that corpse of yours back before it rots" and "so you've died completely this time" were just awkward ways of discussing the loss of a bloodstain---so I couldn't really understand why they were all cut. Interesting stuff.
Awesome to see Thens here! got a chance to meet him in a DeS server and he's a super cool guy, been very interested in his northern limit restoration. 🙏
Stay tuned then!
He and I also recorded a talk on the Northern Limit!
Edit: I finished the video now. The Maneater animation at 1:25:42 is actually still in the final game -- it's the Maneater's buff technique. The snake tail bites the Maneater and begins making it glow with a yellow/golden energy that increases the amount of damage the Maneater does per attack. Also, the Flamelurker does have some changes throughout his fight in the final game, though they don't incorporate anything close to his unused techniques by any means. The Flamelurker glows more intensely and does more damage as the fight goes on/as he takes more damage. Additionally, the Flamelurker swaps out his quick clenched hands pounce attack for a winding jump punch that either does really low damage or instead does none and it's his "burn foes on contact" damage that harms foes during/immediately after the move.
Thanks for the nice summary of all the unused things Demon's Souls fans have discovered in the game's code!
some of the information I had was from the wiki, and that was one of the parts. Sadly I didn't check to see if the man-eater one was used or not due to time constraints. Thanks for pointing that out though!
The love you've shown to DeS has earned my sub. It is still my favorite of Miyazaki's works. Thank you for this video, genuinely.
Thanks for the sub! :D
I have a bunch of other Demon's Souls videos you could check out if you haven't already
I'm so glad there are people that talk about Demon's Souls still, I love the game a lot!
Thanks for the content, can't wait to get my hands on Lokey's book about it too!
Demon's Souls holds a special place in my heart. I love that it's still getting attention from the community.
32:00 Animal-like-models - i wonder if they are from pre-Miyazaki phase of development. For me makes sense.
Amazing work! It's really good to see all this laid out and explained. This community grows and learns more every day thanks to everyone's shared love of the game. I can't wait to see what we can do with modding and content in the future!
Watched all your content twice over, some maybe a third time. Cant wait to watch
Now this is what I call quality content, demons souls is my favourite fromsoft game by far
Mine too! :)
Great format for a video. I'm a big fan/researcher of cut content in FROM works for how mysterious and interesting it can be (gives me fond feelings of old SoTC mysteries from a time before datamining and information on the topics was less available).
And it was perfect to have someone as knowledgeable as Thens to speak on the video. I wonder if something akin could be possible for any of the other titles... 🤔
Oh, I have plans for more of these....
Cool stuff, was nice to have a full overview over all the things uncovered over the years.
Glad you liked it 😉
Awesome that you got DeS n°1 modern for this. Thanks guys
😎👉👉 you know it!
I wish the pictures of the cut content things would stay longer since this video is over 2 hours long and only has gameplay to fill in otherwise so I use it like a podcast.
Hey dude. Thanks for this upload. Its going to get me through work.
You got this! 💪
the GoW gun was probably a test model they used for the ranged weapons (bows/crossbows) in the game before they had models of their own for that
This is a great video, but could you not have kept the images of the unused content on screen for longer? You show them for like 2 seconds and then go back to gameplay
I probabky should have
I wanted to say being that demons souls was my first souls game. I was disappointed playing the later souls game not really having a blueblood equivalent… like it totally makes the broken sword useful. To my knowledge it’s the only game with a special upgrade path!
Gears of War was made by Epic for the Xbox 360 and it ran on Unreal Engine 3. Maybe since Demon's was very experimental they were trying to switch to another engine when it almost got cancelled or were simply experimenting importing assets from different engines or, lastly, since in this era a lot of their games were multiplatform it was just an asset from the Xbox dev kit (probably this one).
There is an actul version of gears of war that you can play on the PS3 dev console, but it is not optimized to run smoothly.
You also need a keyboard to enter the level.
Tho I don't know why a model from one game would end up in another game.
Mabey some dev worked on Gears of War, but then worked on DeS and just decided to use this model?
True Death to me, just the way it was described, sounds like a third form you can have. Like, die as human and you become a soul, die as a soul and you get true death. Then, you're encouraged to do the multiplayer to regain your humanity so you can avoid losing your items the next time you die and have to go recollect them. Imagine human and soul form being exactly the same, but with the addition of losing items in soul form. Honestly, I don't think I'd love this game as much as I do if that were in the game.
Now that's what I would call a Great content
Two hours of Nerds talking about demon's souls, that's awesome
Hope that @Thens_DeS had a better mic to have his voice in both Channels, but nonetheless I will take this content every day of the week
Keep this amazing work please and thank to both of you.
Really good first video but the second part is easily the one I'm more interested in. There's so much going on with the Northern Limit it really shouldn't have been cut nor ignored with the remake.
Northern Limit video coming soon.....
I've only played the remake and was surprised to learn that the maneaters tail biting itself is not in the original. This was fully implemented in the remake. It will happen occasionally and allow you to get some hits in, presumably to curb the difficulty of the fight a bit. Also very nice thematically to show the monk is cruel even to those who guard him. Surprising to see the remake make an actual improvement mechanically, even if it was still invented by the original team.
The technique is actually in the original game too, and it functions as a buff that gives the Maneater a golden/yellow glow and increased attack power.
Thanks for the hard work!
:)
Love the video but why do you show the model for like 2 seconds and talk about it for much longer with random gameplay in the background?
I was listening without watching and when they mentioned the owl or wounded wolf etc it was so hard to scrub around and look for the subject of the discussion, especially when the footage we see instead is completely meaningless....idk just a tiny complaint, thank you for the video
Love this!
We're recording another deedive on the Northern Limit in a few weeks :)
There might just be a connection between interest in demon's souls and interest in other-wordly experiences😂
The Maneaters' snake tails don't bite them in the original game? I have only played the remake and they do this! It's really weird to see, until I played through a few times I wasn't sure what was happening but it's exactly this. The Maneater doubles over incapacitated for a moment while it gets abused by the tail. Maybe Bluepoint revived it?
Strange, the Wikidot wiki lists it as an attack in the original version:
"Power Boost. The snake tail bites the back of the neck of the Maneater. The Demon will be immobilized for several seconds, thus allowing this boost to be interrupted. If not interrupted, the upper body of the Demon will glow yellow, signaling a significant increase in damage. This boosts lasts for approximately 30 seconds."
maybe this is a different animation, though. I bet its so dark in that level that most people just didn't notice.
Eat some engagement, algorithm! Great video as usual Aesir
I think the Beastmen enemies could've added something, because I have a bias towards subtropical environments and they (+the crocodile) seem like they'd fit in there. Though at this point that's just me writing fanfiction about something that isn't really even hinted at.
Maaaaaaan.
Tropical Demon's Souls would've been a blast!
So the being summoned as a black phantom thing, it may have been redone as the covenant system in bloodborne with the potential for vileblood vs executioner if one summons the other as a co op summon.
Thank you for this amazing content! Step aside, Mathewmettosis.
Demon's Souls in my top 3 & I've been loving vidya since 1991.
Before watching my fave demons souls cut content Is the animal people. I'm so curious to know what was going on with those guys
Thanks for the vid
:D
Fantastic video!
Thank you :D
Iam with you guys.. demons souls is my favorite.. I love ds1 and 2 and 3.. Elden ring and sekiro is great.. but I always go back to demons souls.. I feel like it’s got the right amount of jank but the lore and world tendency thing to me was always more interesting to me
It's the least refined but it has the largest creative scope
@@AesirAesthetics yes grass healing is the best healing.
Miyazaki can release a documentary & book about the behind the scenes of the games.
He owes us!
Alright, how are two NPC's less interesting than a torch? lol Think I would have put the torch in the uninteresting but shouldn't have been cut box. Love you
Lol
I see Demon Souls rabbit hole and I think to 2010ish and finishing Demon Souls thinking "woah they even left that ambiguous, your character could be good or evil or however but the bad option is world ends in fog" -
and then starting Dark Souls -
"In the beginning there was nothing but the Endless fog and Dragons...."
👀 ah I think I know how this world started guys....
Then Bloodbourne-
The "Great Old Ones" (👀👀👀) coming from space with Mad appetites and a weird form of reproduction in which someone mantles their being.... has anyone played Demon Souls lol.
I kinda expected Ellen Ring to be a bit clearer on how you would equal a cosmic being but it seems the point was to make it so you'd understand how difficult it is to interact with them? You tell me
Such a shame seeing cut content due to time. The what ifs always hurt
Yes
Demon souls my beloved !!!!!!
❤️
I love demon’s souls but I hate the how the remake changes it, but I still play the remake for 60fps and omni-rolling
Should have added drop attacks when falling from ledges too since ds 1 added that in it always feels weird to not have that option
Oh, 2-hour video about Demon's Souls... just like my first video :D
Oh damn son, dis gun b gud
why is thens only in the left channel
Fyi you can change your phone audio to mono (at least with Android) in accessibility sound settings.
And on Windows you can change to mono audio in the Settings as well
I have my laptop settings on mono and didn't notice
Oh shit it's the dude who finds unused Demon's Souls stuff
and me!
(And him!)
You should make a Bloodborne version of this video
if only I knew someone who datamines Bloodborne 🤔
@@AesirAesthetics I mean you could ask a certain someone who can do one better than that but I'm not sure if he'd exactly be willing to talk, he barely even streams nowadays.
@@Stangrex didn't he die from Covid+anime?
Or are we thinking of different people?
@@AesirAesthetics well I'm talking about the one and only, Lance Mcdonald, and he's still standing.
The game changes when you play his mod, makes its abandoned state more depressing if I’m being honest. Don’t buy a pro just for that I’ll say 😅
try not to mention kings field challenge
comment to boost engagement Thens is stinky
Very stinky! >:O
@@AesirAesthetics I see Thens successfully convinced you that I'm not a vandal.
@@FenoTheFox lol!
♥
Bump
😉
1:37:36 should've stayed because women are powerful and interesting
These games always have the good the bad and the ugly
The good would be saint urbain
The bad would be sage freke
The ugly would be patches.
Saint urbain explains that the souls arts are demonic
Sage Freeke goes crazy like big hat Logan over time and explains that the saints unknowingly worship the same god and that miracles are from the great one aswell. And then patches is just a personification of the truth which is men are inherently evil an we can greed is not justified. I’m glad they left children out of the game.
good idea for video but daam the sound is ass
third!
algorithm
:)
Wow no Demons Souls remake footage. You must not be a true gamer................................
reamke footage?!!!?!?!? what do you take me for? someone who isn't based?
BASED AND UMBASAPILLED
First!
you are the first time I've ever had a "first" commenter actually be first
How did you do it? 1 month before release🤔
@@ronwiesel5120 As a gregarious benefactor on Patreon I had access a month earlier, hohohoho!!
@@AesirAesthetics first
Temple knight sound track is a banger
Have you ever gotten the special death if you beat the tutorial boss fight, I have.
I hate to ask, but can someone do timestamps?
I also prefer to kill the dragon on bridge after you kill the first demon, it saves you dealing with 2 dragons near the end, it does take a while tho😂.