Sullyvahn really looked at his loving mom, supportive community, safe environment (for him) in the Painted World and said "Naw! There ain't nothing for me here. I wanna go conquer and enslave other people."
@@fsjofthere’s a tree-woman in the painted world of Ariandel who has dialogue where she rambles that her child should come home because it’s cold. Under her is the snap freeze spell which is a sorcery created by Sullyvahn, who left the painted world. So people have come to assume that this tree-woman is Sullyvahns mother even though the evidence is only suggestive.
He had everything handed to him. Born and raised in a paradise for forlorn beings rejected by the real world. He didn’t belong with those people because he never lost anything never fought for anything. He had to leave to find those things. He was corrupted by the profane flame into the man with a tyrannical ambition.
Gwyn is evil. It was Gwyn who committed the first sin by betraying humanity who helped him in his war with the ancient dragons. He abandoned his daughter to keep the Pygmy Lords hidden away. He disowned and erased his son from history because he fraternized with dragons, even though Gwyn himself was a confidant of Seeth the Scaleless. Gwyn also allowed the torturous experiments by Seeth to continue.
"Master Sulyvahn, why did you mutate all those people, put us under martial law, kills so many, and torture your own troops?" "Idk man my home was really fookin' cold"
Warned him about the looming threat of the Giants? Didn’t she just straight up make that up? If I remember correctly she goaded Vendrick into attacking the Giants because of her own want.
I get that gwyn chose to sacrifice himself when he could’ve went on war of conquest for the other lord souls; but damning an entire race of people and creating a religion that pushes them to burn their own souls is probably unforgivable. As for Manus, I think you can argue that he isn’t outright malicious but more insane or just a raving beast.
I’ve come once more to play the devil’s advocate. Pontiff Sulyvahn is easily the most misunderstood character in the franchise, that’s not to say he’s good. Just misunderstood. Pontiff Sulyvahn left the painting of Ariendel and this painting was in need of fire. It is outright stated that Sulyvahn left the painting because he was in a place of loss and he has never experienced loss. However there’s nothing saying he didn’t care, in fact you find one of his sorceries at his supposed mother. One of the first things Sulyvahn found once in the outside world was the Profaned Flame. This could be interfered that Sulyvahn was searching for flame to burn the painting, as was tradition. He may have not belonged but it was his home, and perhaps he trying to make things right for the inhabitants. But the Profaned Flame corrupts all, it was not a simple “burning ambition” that grew within him; it was the power of the abyss corrupting his mind. (To say it only have him ambition is not a good take because it corrupted all the citizens). Immediately after being corrupted; he sook out the holy kingdom of Anor Londo and slowly but surely did everything and anything to stop the linking of fire by: 1) Rising through the ranks of the Darkmoon knights 2) Poisoning Gwyndolin (current figurehead of the linking of the fire) 3) Trapping Yorshka (captain of the Darkmoon knights) 4) Turning notable holy knights into mindless beasts 5) enslaving all First Flame advocates and twisting them into abysmal creatures 6) taking control of the holy city 7) self proclaiming himself as Pontiff 8) allying with the one lord of cinder that is against the linking of the fire 9) feeding the figurehead god to the lord of cinder All to end the first flame because the abyss within him controlled him to do so
Can we just go over the fact that Gwyn build the ringed city to get the remaining humans AS FAR AWAY FROM HIM as he could get them and still hated them. He put them in the worse position in the entire world and labeled it a “gift”.
Just wanted to point out in the cutscene where you kill "ornstein" you can see his hand twitching before smough kills him, its implied smough could tell he was still alive and struck him despite being his partner
Never heard of your channel, but you’ve got a new fan. Always love hearing an analysis on Sulyvahn’s character. As a longtime FromSoft fan (got DS1 release day when I was like 13 and fell in love) and I genuinely believe he’s their best, subtly written character. Every single bad thing that happens in Lothric you can chalk up to him, either directly or vaguely. Profaned Flame/Yhorm’s entire kingdom getting torched? Sulyvahn did it. Lothric finding an outside influence to convince him to remove himself from his duties? (Not evil on its own, but this outsid influence clearly has evil intentions.) Sulyvahn. The HORRIBLE situation of the capital, Anor Londo, Aldrich, , potentially Priscilla, potentially Nito, Gwyndolin who is legitimately in the middle of being devoured alive (you can hear his screams subtly in Aldrich’s fight,) Dancer, and Vordt, all of their miserable situations? Sulyvahn did it. Granted: Aldrich isn’t so much in a horrible situation, but a horrible being inflicted on the rest but Aldrich is almost this instinctual, almost bestial force. Sulyvahn let him loose. There’s even subtle hints that he’s responsible for Wolnir and the Abyss Watcher’s fall. He may have killed Iudex Gundyr’s fire keeper too, the last two are more vague. He is heavily implied to have influenced the split in the Painted World ideologies too and creating the awful state it’s in. All of this likely because he was curious and insecure. He’s the closest to a genuine main antagonist in the whole Souls franchise, but they put him halfway through the game and you can easily assume he’s just another regular boss. He’s done more direct damage than any Souls antagonist, arguably even Gwyn. By far their best character imo. Let’s also not forget that while Seathe created Priscilla, he likely did it through rape. So while she’s a good entity, he doesn’t necessarily get points for this one as a good deed.
Seath: *Tells gywn how to kill dragons out of envy, nearly kills his own race, fails to become immortal, does horrible experiments to mimic immortality, and dies shrieking* Bayle: *Throws hands with Placidussax for going afk, loses his limbs before tactically retreating, starts dragon race war, spares Igon with less limbs to fight him again, and dies summoning lightning one last time* In all seriousness, I think a neat comparison could be made between these two dragons for how similar yet drastically different they are.
Seath does achieve immortality through Lichdom by making the Primordial Crystal his Phylactery. For as long as the crystal was unbroken or he survived to repair it, Seath effectively had true immortality. (It was his own version of the Ancient Dragon's Stone Scales.) He also had other achievements, such as: Grandfather of Sorcery Obtained accursed knowledge Created numerous monstrosities Sired Half-Dragon Crossbreeds Enslaved Midir for the Gods Defeated Havel the Rock Defeated Big Hat Logan Defeated the Chosen Undead canonically at least once. 2nd most influential character in the entirety of Dark Souls. While his death wasn't a roar nor a shriek, it does come off more as a bellow of frustration however.
Nah, Nashandra is straight-up evil. And she could've changed if she tried hard enough, just like her sister Alsanna. Also, where are the DS2 DLC bad guys?
Lautrec killed the fire keeper for what he thought was the greater good. Anything to end the endless stream of undead being sent to be sacrificed. Removing the firekeeper removes the bonfire helping the undead on their way to their eventual death. He's meant to be mistrusted by the player until you realize he had a knowledge the player will only find out later. He hints at his intention through his dialogue about how he hates Petrus and the Way of White.
Seath's Phylactery (Primordial Crystal) wasn't "out in the open". It was guarded with: The Lordvessel Seal Numerous Monstrosities Seath himself guarding a vital chokepoint ( Where the Chosen Undead canonically dies once mind you.) A bonfire-locked Prison Maze-like Archives guarded by Channelers Sequestered at the deepest section of the Crystal Cave with invisible pathways. That can hardly be considered "out in the open".
Aldrich is easily number one. It's not just that he would devour human flesh. He ate them while they were still alive and it wasn't just humans, but mainly children. The deacons would collect orphaned kids and in turn would feed them to Aldrich to keep him satisfied and we can tell from Anri's description and the battle with Aldrich, that he ate them while they were still alive. Sulyvahn only contributed to Aldrich's gluttonous ass because he was trying to become more powerful and increase his standing. In a kingdom where children are sacrificed alive, the one doing the devouring is the most evil.
Also, feel free to correct me as I only heard about this. But wasn’t it also implied that some of the children he ate were children he forced Rosaria to have? I can’t remember where I heard this.
Lautrec isn’t purely evil. It is an act of mercy killing the firekeeper. She is indoctrinated and loves her chains. She is tortured and used as a tool. That being said. She would never accept it on her own accord. It’s all she knows. Even if from a place a benevolence, it is wrong to murder someone. But is the only way she would find peace.
Speaking of Smough, I noticed that the super version of Ornstein that you get from killing Smough first also laughs like Smough does in his first and second phases. Weird, but it makes sense.
Sullyvan has a bit of a sad backstory, though only the "Boy born into total filth and became a total bastard" kind of thing. Also, as he took the Dancer as his personal warrior/dancer, possibly he donated Rosaria to Aldritch before his link, and.... well, we know what Aldritch did to Rosaria. There is also the theory, but just a theory, that Aldritch eated his own children from the forced intercourse with Rosaria. Miyazaki, calm down please. P.s: Taking Japanese translation, the Depths in Ds3 is the most horrible thing imaginable. We can see them in the Cathedral, rappresented by horrible insects (while normal Dark is rappresented by good insects for Japan culture, like angels looking like cicadas) and also in the Dlc, the little strange human-creature during the first part of Ringed City, those who create giants Humanity. That is the future of humanity if Aldritch wins, and his plan is make it happen, let the Fire fade and rule over a world of abominations, corruption, stagnation and depravation. Soooo, i think he's even worse than Sullyvan.
leonhardt actually is a "good" man. we can see that aldritch did HORRIBLE things to rosaria, her body was basically sfigured by the abuse of aldritch and leonhardt knew. so he kills rosaria to have her soul in an attempt to end her pain
Damn, I love villains overall, and Pontiff Sulyvanh is definetly one of my favorites DS3 characters. Even if they are far more simple, I love the characters who are evil with no strong motivation or sad backstory.
he was originally going to be the final boss which i kinda wish they went through with, but soul of cinder is literally the only other thing that could be better than him as a finale
I think that a “Good” tier should exist, and I would put: Siegward, Yhorm, Solaire, Gael, and other character that in the end, they did almost nothing bad or just for themselves
Imagine not being able to grow hair anywhere on your body and then killing off the entirety of the human race just because you are jealous. That is pure evil.
Callin' Gwyn Morally Grey is crazy 💀 guy literally has forsaken humanity for its entire life cycle cause he was Jelly of them (humans being the successor of his age) I would place Aldrich and Pontiff better than any god cause they were simply getting back at them (revenge) Eliminating Gwyndolin and Yorshka seemed logical because they actively represent their father's will
@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub for those who dont know, he force feminized gwyndolin, sold off fillanore to the pygmies, exiled his eldest son (nameless king), and gave gwynevere to seath (i think) someone might have to correct me on that one
@@namegeneratorsystem5553 1. There’s no indication that he ‘force-feminised Gwyndolin’ let alone proof. All we know is he raised him as a daughter which could just mean he let him play with dolls and wear dresses for all we know. Most importantly, Gwyndolin seems content with it. 2. What do you mean by ‘sold off fillianore’? He didn’t ‘sell’ her, he sent her to the ringed city to be revered and serve as its guardian. The details again are scarce so you can’t really judge whether Fillianore wanted her position and therefore you can’t judge Gwyn on it. 3. It’s suggested that the first born allied with the dragons after Gwyn linked the first flame, meaning it was his siblings and the other gods that exiled him. But even if Gwyn himself DID exile him… yeah? He literally allied with his greatest enemy, what would you have wanted him to do? 4. Okay, what? Yeah sure this is a theory but there’s hardly any indication that Gwynevere and Seath even were ‘together’ let alone that Gwyn FORCED them to be together. You’re judging his character based on theorisation?
So fighting for your own race and power is evil? I genuinely don’t get why people expect Gwyn to just give up and give his power to the humans, who are often shown in dark souls to be just as morally grey in nature as gwyn himself, if not worse.
1. Nashandra didn’t warn Vendrick of the giants. She baited Vendrick to began a war with the giants. 2. 13:37 Manus’ pendant did not belong to a deceased wife. Could’ve belonged to a sister, mother, father, etc. 3. Manus didn’t deliberately want to kill the people of Oolacile. The Humanity that went wild turned into the Abyss, which then turned the people into monsters or devoured them. Think of it as collateral damage. In all, Manus is more of a victim than a ‘bad guy’. 4. 15:58 Seath did not create Priscilla. It’s hinted in game that he is the father of her. Yorksha STATES IN GAME that her father is Gywn and her brother is Gywndolin. Even if this video is for fun, this video has many misleading information
I just don't understand putting Patches in a bad tier especially after his whole arc in ds3 that proves that there is more to this character then just being a dick. I think punishing humans greed is his actual purpose that his extremely devoted to. and I think that purpose was what kept him alive and not hollowed for supposedly hundreds of years. It makes a lot of sense since we know that Darkness and humanity is affected and corrupted by evil emotions. Like in case of Manus it was suffering, hateret and rage, creating the abyss and in case of Aldrich it was, greed, gluttony, hunger for power that ended up with creation of other Branch of Dark, called the Deep. Both are corrupted and evil version of darkness and probably the things that Gwyn's was afraid of and accidentally caused by restraining humans nature. I think the other reason why i would consider Patches moraly grey is because of his friendship with Greirat who's arguably one of the best characters in terms of morality in this world, together with Solarie and Anion knights of Catarina that we got to know. And Patches risked his life to help him when he could then fairly warned him that he won't be able to do the same in a lothric castle And Patches story in ringed city actually is a another proof for his purpose. At the end of times even Unbreakable finally goes hollow BECAUSE HE FORGETS HIS goal. Then when he's second man to us to break the undead curse in the whole history of DS. His goal once again drifts through his mind. That is the proof that it is not a simple excuse to be a dick. He kicks us this one last time of the tower stairs into the place we actually wanted to go and helps us fight the boss and Express his gratitude for our help. It is truly buffering to me of how underrated NPC he is in these games. He's literally my favorite and literally one of the most important for understanding the lore. I won't say his good because his methods are bad And in this case, the ends do not justify the means. But putting him after anyone that was before him is a major misunderstanding. Nashandra is literally soulless monster, Gwyn was a prideful tyrant that made an entire race lifes miserable. We can say that it's the same case with patches, with end&means, but the difference is that Patches ends had actually good consequences and Gwyn thought he's doing smth good but it turned out to be one of the greatest sins ageinst free will of humanity and on the other end patches helps us regain this freedom. Frida is a another Tyrant making people's lives miserable. And Smough is a cannibalistic sadist... what there's more to say? Except that I love this video and love to talk about this shit xD 17:10 "Devoured Gwyndolyn's ass" Would.... What?.. 🗿
😆And the P Diddy jokes enter the soulsborne vid universe lol 😆 Great vid! I heard a rumor that Pontiff was supposed to be the original final boss of the story playthrough. I'm glad he wasn't though. I can only imagine the Xtra phases they would have added to him.
Gotta agree with Gwyn placement here, he may have been an evil oppressor to some, but he was a genuine hero to others and, while his intentions may have been self motivated and greedy/prideful in part, they were an equal measure of altruistic and selfless to try to preserve his people and the world that he thought was best even at the cost of his own life
Imma be real with you... Imo, the most evil character is the "player character". (It especially feels REALLY evil killing sif.) Oh yeah, Pontiff as well... But I'm sure he had his reasons :)
It depends if you're a murderhobo or not. Sif attacks you even though you freed his master, completed their mission and literally saved his ass back in Oolacile so screw that dog.
Killing Sif is unavoidable though, she won't just let you through or give you the ring of Artorias without a fight. She is doing it to protect you technically but there's no peaceful solution.
If you're wonder how deceptive Sullyvahn is: he literally imitating Darkmoon spell with sheer intellegence and fool everyone with it. So basically he is a Sorcerer (which so many point out if intellegence users considered as heretics by Way of White) in a Cleric-based or Templar-Like Knighthood. 😂
I wonder if you will do another one considering there are characters that you could mention, those being Soul of cinder Midir Nameless king Yhorm And Slave knight Gael
I always had a lovexhate thing Leonard. I think in some ways he felt very Unworthy for his dedication for Rosaria . When you start becoming more dedicated then he was for her blessings. Another theory is he was starting to feel some unresolved guilt for somethings never resolved for all those pale tongues he gave. Thus feeling something deep inside he couldn't quite comprehend. In resulting of killing Rosaria either out of spite or by accident. The other theory behind being called a 'Beast' could be because of making the grave mistake of telling you about her. He probably had not really planned on running into you when you arrive at the firelink shrine
Calling Manus a "morally grey" character is a hard for me. The way you find Oolacile, there's something that happened to her during that fight or during the possession, but something happened to her,
I think what Seath did to the dragons is justiifiablr, I mean the guy was made an outcast by his own kind just because he was "defective", you can see why he grew anger, rage and "envy" for what the dragons had, they always put him down for what he lacked, but.... What Seath does during the gwyn era is just straight up evil and mad, the guy goes insane and becomes a mad scientist dragon Yes Sulyvhan is easily number 1 or really on pair with aldrich, before I opened the video I already knew these two would be top 2 as all Dark Souls fans know too, what I find interesting is that in a way is that Gwyn and Sulyvhan are on pair with eachother, the diference between the two is that Sulyvhan does the dirty job, which I don't know whats worse, doing bad just because or watching it, being aware and not doing anything, the dude did the worse on humanity, betrayed them, gave his daughter as a "gift" but guess what, if she wakes up the world ends, hes a coward, everything that happens in dark souls is because a p*ssy guy refuses to acept that hes comand will end, and he's a hypocrit, banishing his oldest son and erasing him from history because he sided with the dragons only for gwyn to side with one much before his son
I have played all souls games and in my opinion Marika is the most evil character... Even though her background is certainly tragic, her devious actions are down right terrifying
But what if evil villain to someone is good hero to someone same time? That’s why world is tragedy. True Hero sacrifices himself and someone for world. Sometimes, someone is precious one for others.
Lautrec isn’t necessarily evil, he’s from carim, which is pretty bent on ending the age of fire and letting the natural cycle take place, so it would make sense that he tries to stop the age of fire by killing the fire keeper and putting the player to a stop before they can link the fire. I think looking at him as an inherently bad guy is wrong, he’s from an entire different culture that wants to end the age of fire, something that most people agree is actually pretty awful because of the undead curse. He’s really annoying and there’s definitely good reason to dislike his character, but to say he’s straight up bad is kinda dishonest to what he’s trying to accomplish. Definitely one of my favorite npcs when you look at things from a different perspective.
How is Sullyvan lower than Gwyn? Gwyn is literally Sullyvan buy on a much larger scale. Gwyn doesn't have a tragic backstory, the only tragic element of his story is that he was so power hungry, that he would rather sacrifice himself, so that his family will never lose power over people. He was also extremaly racist towards people.
He explained that Gwyn did good thing such as the creation of Anor Londo which looked like a prosperous city. Sulhivan only oppressed it's people because of his hunger for power. Basically Gwyn did what he did because he thought it was for the best (again that's what he thought not necesseraly what was the best) and may have done some good things. Sulhivan only did what he did to gain more power and have done nothing but oppressing his ennemies and people since hé gain this power.
@@dannyg4835 Well that's the whole concept of the video, yes Gwyn action had more consequences than Sulhivan's but Gwyn actually had a sort of ambition other than "I just want more power" which Sulhivan had not si that's why I personnaly consider Sulhivan more like a evil person than Gwyn (I'm not saying that Gwyn is a good Guy though)
It's even more likely that the one who ordered the making of the statue was gwindolin as smough is the only knight left at anor londo gwindolin would want to make sure he doesn't leave and still defends the kingdom.
I'd put Aldrich in first place. I think he was inspired by Gilles de Rais former Joan of Arc's companion-in-arms. He was a psycho who did horrible things to children. If you do Anri's questline, you learn that Aldrich also had a taste for children.
What about McLloyd? He's one of the most evil characters I know. Undead hunts? Might be the guy who exiled Gwyn's Firstborn. Way of White discovered how Gwyn summoned lightning and made a whole religion around it, and in his arrogance makes different mediums to cast miracles (they're different throughout the Souls series) probably to not make us too strong. And probably made that religion to gain political power. Actually, Lloyd is probably behind most bad things that is painted onto Gwyn. If so he deserves the number 1 spot on this list. Well, next to maybe Seath, Sulyvahn, and Aldrich, which all are fairly excusable in contrast to the feats of McLloyd. Seath, all he ever really knew was the Archdragons, and he was the odd one out in such a power based culture of immortals. Sulyvahn was an inquisitive scholar but naive, and wanted to see more than his safe but enclosed small world, and in his evident solitude as a sorcerer he made up ideas when he saw the Profaned Flame...it's little wonder he went bad, such is the way of life. Aldrich just so happened to get a taste for human flesh. That's a f*ed up thing to like, but it's not his fault he suddenly got a passion for it. Whatever led him to reason that it's good would've come from how the world was shown to him, and how he learned to view the world after that. Those events are happenstance, so at most they're only partially evil. After all, actions aren't the only things that defines one's morality. And McLloyd has no redeeming qualities. Maybe even going so far as to claim he's Gwyn's uncle because Gwyn got popular. He's the worst of the worst.
Interesting points...but I agree about Seath being an evil bastard...betray his mind because he lacked what his kin had....and experiment on defenseless maidens....jerk
There really REALLY isn't anything redeemable about petrus, I really like that little detail when you meet him tho He asks you to show you his faith, but you have to PAY him money for it, no faith stat requirements Unlike logan, who will reject you if you're not capable :( Petrus really is such evil slime imo lol
Pontiff Sullyvahn is the literal worst character, he destroyed a world he had almost no stake in just because, unlike us who destroys the world, because it was already fucked so why not start over and give the new people a go. Some like to say that dark souls 1 and 3 are a loop, but I like to pretend that Elden Ring is the first flame switching it up.
Dark souls is a good game but I I don’t don’t like like dark dark souls souls but it it has the best mechanics mechanics in in a game I like the way the games work with 2:38
And where is Oceiros? The princes' father, who turned himself a dragon like creature because he went mad and become a lot of people's cause of suffering? Pretty much the whole kingdom's I guess. Sullivahn is evil that is a fact but I think you should have to mention the consumed king at least. Though I'm sure I missed a lot of things in the lore.
The most evil character in Dark Souls is Darkstalker Kaathe. If you go through with the fourth ending - his plan succeeds and the world is forever fucked.
Sullyvahn really looked at his loving mom, supportive community, safe environment (for him) in the Painted World and said "Naw! There ain't nothing for me here. I wanna go conquer and enslave other people."
"Loving mom" do we even know who she is?
@@fsjofthere’s a tree-woman in the painted world of Ariandel who has dialogue where she rambles that her child should come home because it’s cold. Under her is the snap freeze spell which is a sorcery created by Sullyvahn, who left the painted world. So people have come to assume that this tree-woman is Sullyvahns mother even though the evidence is only suggestive.
@@Timebomb_19he have tree face and wings as well
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He had everything handed to him. Born and raised in a paradise for forlorn beings rejected by the real world. He didn’t belong with those people because he never lost anything never fought for anything. He had to leave to find those things. He was corrupted by the profane flame into the man with a tyrannical ambition.
Gwyn is evil. It was Gwyn who committed the first sin by betraying humanity who helped him in his war with the ancient dragons. He abandoned his daughter to keep the Pygmy Lords hidden away. He disowned and erased his son from history because he fraternized with dragons, even though Gwyn himself was a confidant of Seeth the Scaleless. Gwyn also allowed the torturous experiments by Seeth to continue.
Yep he hardly did these things for charitable reasons, all of them a means to an end. Pogroms fueled by his religion doesn't sound 'morally grey)
all because old boy gwyn was afraid of the dark
"Master Sulyvahn, why did you mutate all those people, put us under martial law, kills so many, and torture your own troops?"
"Idk man my home was really fookin' cold"
sounds like gwyn and the witch
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Warned him about the looming threat of the Giants? Didn’t she just straight up make that up? If I remember correctly she goaded Vendrick into attacking the Giants because of her own want.
This is the accurate lore.
I'm sure there's a quote in one of the memories about the giants attacking in revenge after "the kingdoms misguided barbarism".
vendrick was a war monger. he looked for fights
Her throne of want, if you will
I get that gwyn chose to sacrifice himself when he could’ve went on war of conquest for the other lord souls; but damning an entire race of people and creating a religion that pushes them to burn their own souls is probably unforgivable.
As for Manus, I think you can argue that he isn’t outright malicious but more insane or just a raving beast.
The dude was denied a peaceful death, and to add insult to injury, had his tomb desecrated.
Not Pontiff Sullivan being PDiddy with his Dancer of the boreal valley
Now I see why he imprisoned Gwndolin...
Sulyvahn*
@@dmaster184Gwyndolin*
Really? You really need to correct them both?
I’ve come once more to play the devil’s advocate.
Pontiff Sulyvahn is easily the most misunderstood character in the franchise, that’s not to say he’s good. Just misunderstood.
Pontiff Sulyvahn left the painting of Ariendel and this painting was in need of fire.
It is outright stated that Sulyvahn left the painting because he was in a place of loss and he has never experienced loss.
However there’s nothing saying he didn’t care, in fact you find one of his sorceries at his supposed mother. One of the first things Sulyvahn found once in the outside world was the Profaned Flame.
This could be interfered that Sulyvahn was searching for flame to burn the painting, as was tradition. He may have not belonged but it was his home, and perhaps he trying to make things right for the inhabitants.
But the Profaned Flame corrupts all, it was not a simple “burning ambition” that grew within him; it was the power of the abyss corrupting his mind. (To say it only have him ambition is not a good take because it corrupted all the citizens).
Immediately after being corrupted; he sook out the holy kingdom of Anor Londo and slowly but surely did everything and anything to stop the linking of fire by:
1) Rising through the ranks of the Darkmoon knights
2) Poisoning Gwyndolin (current figurehead of the linking of the fire)
3) Trapping Yorshka (captain of the Darkmoon knights)
4) Turning notable holy knights into mindless beasts
5) enslaving all First Flame advocates and twisting them into abysmal creatures
6) taking control of the holy city
7) self proclaiming himself as Pontiff
8) allying with the one lord of cinder that is against the linking of the fire
9) feeding the figurehead god to the lord of cinder
All to end the first flame because the abyss within him controlled him to do so
I have a bit more but you get the point
Patches, because he's bald.
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It's not our fault bro, damn
@@anon3631 i never accused you of anything. feeling guilty already? speaks volumes.
Patches is a traitor primarch
Can we just go over the fact that Gwyn build the ringed city to get the remaining humans AS FAR AWAY FROM HIM as he could get them and still hated them. He put them in the worse position in the entire world and labeled it a “gift”.
Just wanted to point out in the cutscene where you kill "ornstein" you can see his hand twitching before smough kills him, its implied smough could tell he was still alive and struck him despite being his partner
Never heard of your channel, but you’ve got a new fan. Always love hearing an analysis on Sulyvahn’s character. As a longtime FromSoft fan (got DS1 release day when I was like 13 and fell in love) and I genuinely believe he’s their best, subtly written character. Every single bad thing that happens in Lothric you can chalk up to him, either directly or vaguely. Profaned Flame/Yhorm’s entire kingdom getting torched? Sulyvahn did it. Lothric finding an outside influence to convince him to remove himself from his duties? (Not evil on its own, but this outsid influence clearly has evil intentions.) Sulyvahn. The HORRIBLE situation of the capital, Anor Londo, Aldrich, , potentially Priscilla, potentially Nito, Gwyndolin who is legitimately in the middle of being devoured alive (you can hear his screams subtly in Aldrich’s fight,) Dancer, and Vordt, all of their miserable situations? Sulyvahn did it. Granted: Aldrich isn’t so much in a horrible situation, but a horrible being inflicted on the rest but Aldrich is almost this instinctual, almost bestial force. Sulyvahn let him loose. There’s even subtle hints that he’s responsible for Wolnir and the Abyss Watcher’s fall. He may have killed Iudex Gundyr’s fire keeper too, the last two are more vague. He is heavily implied to have influenced the split in the Painted World ideologies too and creating the awful state it’s in. All of this likely because he was curious and insecure.
He’s the closest to a genuine main antagonist in the whole Souls franchise, but they put him halfway through the game and you can easily assume he’s just another regular boss. He’s done more direct damage than any Souls antagonist, arguably even Gwyn. By far their best character imo.
Let’s also not forget that while Seathe created Priscilla, he likely did it through rape. So while she’s a good entity, he doesn’t necessarily get points for this one as a good deed.
Seath: *Tells gywn how to kill dragons out of envy, nearly kills his own race, fails to become immortal, does horrible experiments to mimic immortality, and dies shrieking*
Bayle: *Throws hands with Placidussax for going afk, loses his limbs before tactically retreating, starts dragon race war, spares Igon with less limbs to fight him again, and dies summoning lightning one last time*
In all seriousness, I think a neat comparison could be made between these two dragons for how similar yet drastically different they are.
Seath does achieve immortality through Lichdom by making the Primordial Crystal his Phylactery. For as long as the crystal was unbroken or he survived to repair it, Seath effectively had true immortality.
(It was his own version of the Ancient Dragon's Stone Scales.)
He also had other achievements, such as:
Grandfather of Sorcery
Obtained accursed knowledge
Created numerous monstrosities
Sired Half-Dragon Crossbreeds
Enslaved Midir for the Gods
Defeated Havel the Rock
Defeated Big Hat Logan
Defeated the Chosen Undead canonically at least once.
2nd most influential character in the entirety of Dark Souls.
While his death wasn't a roar nor a shriek, it does come off more as a bellow of frustration however.
Nah, Nashandra is straight-up evil. And she could've changed if she tried hard enough, just like her sister Alsanna. Also, where are the DS2 DLC bad guys?
Nashandra was so evil her goddamn *portrait* cursed you just by viewing it.
@@Raphie009 nashandra is very very evil
Lautrec killed the fire keeper for what he thought was the greater good. Anything to end the endless stream of undead being sent to be sacrificed. Removing the firekeeper removes the bonfire helping the undead on their way to their eventual death. He's meant to be mistrusted by the player until you realize he had a knowledge the player will only find out later. He hints at his intention through his dialogue about how he hates Petrus and the Way of White.
Seath's Phylactery (Primordial Crystal) wasn't "out in the open".
It was guarded with:
The Lordvessel Seal
Numerous Monstrosities
Seath himself guarding a vital chokepoint
( Where the Chosen Undead canonically dies once mind you.)
A bonfire-locked Prison
Maze-like Archives guarded by Channelers
Sequestered at the deepest section of the Crystal Cave with invisible pathways.
That can hardly be considered "out in the open".
All that undone by one guard forgetting the key was in his pocket lmao
@@vinayakshende1828"You had ONE job"
If you found it, it's out in the open.
Aldrich is easily number one. It's not just that he would devour human flesh. He ate them while they were still alive and it wasn't just humans, but mainly children. The deacons would collect orphaned kids and in turn would feed them to Aldrich to keep him satisfied and we can tell from Anri's description and the battle with Aldrich, that he ate them while they were still alive. Sulyvahn only contributed to Aldrich's gluttonous ass because he was trying to become more powerful and increase his standing. In a kingdom where children are sacrificed alive, the one doing the devouring is the most evil.
Also, feel free to correct me as I only heard about this. But wasn’t it also implied that some of the children he ate were children he forced Rosaria to have? I can’t remember where I heard this.
@justanotherguy560 I haven't heard that. I'll have to check into it.
Seath is worse still
I think patches just can’t resist his intrusive thoughts
Talks abt Gwyn without talking abt his firstborn son the nameless king lmao
Seath is more morally ambiguous IMO since he had a reason to do what he did, rejected by his kind exiled by his kind.
You know it’s bad when you’re starting with Smough
Lautrec isn’t purely evil. It is an act of mercy killing the firekeeper. She is indoctrinated and loves her chains. She is tortured and used as a tool. That being said. She would never accept it on her own accord. It’s all she knows. Even if from a place a benevolence, it is wrong to murder someone. But is the only way she would find peace.
Speaking of Smough, I noticed that the super version of Ornstein that you get from killing Smough first also laughs like Smough does in his first and second phases. Weird, but it makes sense.
Sullyvan has a bit of a sad backstory, though only the "Boy born into total filth and became a total bastard" kind of thing. Also, as he took the Dancer as his personal warrior/dancer, possibly he donated Rosaria to Aldritch before his link, and.... well, we know what Aldritch did to Rosaria. There is also the theory, but just a theory, that Aldritch eated his own children from the forced intercourse with Rosaria. Miyazaki, calm down please.
P.s: Taking Japanese translation, the Depths in Ds3 is the most horrible thing imaginable. We can see them in the Cathedral, rappresented by horrible insects (while normal Dark is rappresented by good insects for Japan culture, like angels looking like cicadas) and also in the Dlc, the little strange human-creature during the first part of Ringed City, those who create giants Humanity. That is the future of humanity if Aldritch wins, and his plan is make it happen, let the Fire fade and rule over a world of abominations, corruption, stagnation and depravation.
Soooo, i think he's even worse than Sullyvan.
leonhardt actually is a "good" man.
we can see that aldritch did HORRIBLE things to rosaria, her body was basically sfigured by the abuse of aldritch and leonhardt knew.
so he kills rosaria to have her soul in an attempt to end her pain
Damn, I love villains overall, and Pontiff Sulyvanh is definetly one of my favorites DS3 characters.
Even if they are far more simple, I love the characters who are evil with no strong motivation or sad backstory.
Sulyvahn has probably one of the most simple and understandable motivations, though. He just wants power and to do whatever he wants.
he was originally going to be the final boss which i kinda wish they went through with, but soul of cinder is literally the only other thing that could be better than him as a finale
@@namegeneratorsystem5553 source that he was original going to be the final boss?
I think that a “Good” tier should exist, and I would put: Siegward, Yhorm, Solaire, Gael, and other character that in the end, they did almost nothing bad or just for themselves
That’s why Sulyvhan was originally planned as the endboss for ds3 but they cut it
Nashandra was pretty evil, but she was just a shard of MANUS. Manus has to be the most 'evil', IMHO.
Patches is good ol boy, just hates greed
Imagine not being able to grow hair anywhere on your body and then killing off the entirety of the human race just because you are jealous. That is pure evil.
Callin' Gwyn Morally Grey is crazy 💀 guy literally has forsaken humanity for its entire life cycle cause he was Jelly of them (humans being the successor of his age)
I would place Aldrich and Pontiff better than any god cause they were simply getting back at them (revenge)
Eliminating Gwyndolin and Yorshka seemed logical because they actively represent their father's will
I came to comment the thing about Gwyn as well, bro hated the idea of humans having their time so much that he fucked the entire world
Gwyn wasn’t even kind to his own kin either. Have you read the ish he did to his children?
@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub for those who dont know, he force feminized gwyndolin, sold off fillanore to the pygmies, exiled his eldest son (nameless king), and gave gwynevere to seath (i think) someone might have to correct me on that one
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1. There’s no indication that he ‘force-feminised Gwyndolin’ let alone proof. All we know is he raised him as a daughter which could just mean he let him play with dolls and wear dresses for all we know. Most importantly, Gwyndolin seems content with it.
2. What do you mean by ‘sold off fillianore’? He didn’t ‘sell’ her, he sent her to the ringed city to be revered and serve as its guardian. The details again are scarce so you can’t really judge whether Fillianore wanted her position and therefore you can’t judge Gwyn on it.
3. It’s suggested that the first born allied with the dragons after Gwyn linked the first flame, meaning it was his siblings and the other gods that exiled him. But even if Gwyn himself DID exile him… yeah? He literally allied with his greatest enemy, what would you have wanted him to do?
4. Okay, what? Yeah sure this is a theory but there’s hardly any indication that Gwynevere and Seath even were ‘together’ let alone that Gwyn FORCED them to be together. You’re judging his character based on theorisation?
So fighting for your own race and power is evil? I genuinely don’t get why people expect Gwyn to just give up and give his power to the humans, who are often shown in dark souls to be just as morally grey in nature as gwyn himself, if not worse.
1. Nashandra didn’t warn Vendrick of the giants. She baited Vendrick to began a war with the giants.
2. 13:37 Manus’ pendant did not belong to a deceased wife. Could’ve belonged to a sister, mother, father, etc.
3. Manus didn’t deliberately want to kill the people of Oolacile. The Humanity that went wild turned into the Abyss, which then turned the people into monsters or devoured them. Think of it as collateral damage. In all, Manus is more of a victim than a ‘bad guy’.
4. 15:58 Seath did not create Priscilla. It’s hinted in game that he is the father of her. Yorksha STATES IN GAME that her father is Gywn and her brother is Gywndolin.
Even if this video is for fun, this video has many misleading information
I just don't understand putting Patches in a bad tier especially after his whole arc in ds3 that proves that there is more to this character then just being a dick.
I think punishing humans greed is his actual purpose that his extremely devoted to. and I think that purpose was what kept him alive and not hollowed for supposedly hundreds of years. It makes a lot of sense since we know that Darkness and humanity is affected and corrupted by evil emotions. Like in case of Manus it was suffering, hateret and rage, creating the abyss and in case of Aldrich it was, greed, gluttony, hunger for power that ended up with creation of other Branch of Dark, called the Deep.
Both are corrupted and evil version of darkness and probably the things that Gwyn's was afraid of and accidentally caused by restraining humans nature.
I think the other reason why i would consider Patches moraly grey is because of his friendship with Greirat who's arguably one of the best characters in terms of morality in this world, together with Solarie and Anion knights of Catarina that we got to know. And Patches risked his life to help him when he could then fairly warned him that he won't be able to do the same in a lothric castle
And Patches story in ringed city actually is a another proof for his purpose.
At the end of times even Unbreakable finally goes hollow BECAUSE HE FORGETS HIS goal.
Then when he's second man to us to break the undead curse in the whole history of DS. His goal once again drifts through his mind. That is the proof that it is not a simple excuse to be a dick. He kicks us this one last time of the tower stairs into the place we actually wanted to go and helps us fight the boss and Express his gratitude for our help.
It is truly buffering to me of how underrated NPC he is in these games. He's literally my favorite and literally one of the most important for understanding the lore.
I won't say his good because his methods are bad And in this case, the ends do not justify the means.
But putting him after anyone that was before him is a major misunderstanding.
Nashandra is literally soulless monster, Gwyn was a prideful tyrant that made an entire race lifes miserable. We can say that it's the same case with patches, with end&means, but the difference is that Patches ends had actually good consequences and Gwyn thought he's doing smth good but it turned out to be one of the greatest sins ageinst free will of humanity and on the other end patches helps us regain this freedom.
Frida is a another Tyrant making people's lives miserable. And Smough is a cannibalistic sadist... what there's more to say? Except that I love this video and love to talk about this shit xD
17:10 "Devoured Gwyndolyn's ass"
Would.... What?..
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Let's not forget what Sesth did to Havel lol
"Hes basically the p diddy of dark souls" is wild😂
Royal Sorcerer Navlaan is another one that comes to mind, particularly the assassin side of him
😆And the P Diddy jokes enter the soulsborne vid universe lol 😆
Great vid! I heard a rumor that Pontiff was supposed to be the original final boss of the story playthrough. I'm glad he wasn't though. I can only imagine the Xtra phases they would have added to him.
Hold on, you heard a dude is a sadistic cannibal and went "yeah that sounds morally grey". Im suddenly terrifed to ever meet you LMAO
Gotta agree with Gwyn placement here, he may have been an evil oppressor to some, but he was a genuine hero to others and, while his intentions may have been self motivated and greedy/prideful in part, they were an equal measure of altruistic and selfless to try to preserve his people and the world that he thought was best even at the cost of his own life
Patches is truly morally grey and gwyn is bad. Switch those and this is a good video.
Imma be real with you...
Imo, the most evil character is the "player character". (It especially feels REALLY evil killing sif.)
Oh yeah, Pontiff as well... But I'm sure he had his reasons :)
It depends if you're a murderhobo or not. Sif attacks you even though you freed his master, completed their mission and literally saved his ass back in Oolacile so screw that dog.
Depends on what game you’re talking about. In DS3 for example you’re only doing your duty as Ash, would it be better to just let the world stagnate?
Killing Sif is unavoidable though, she won't just let you through or give you the ring of Artorias without a fight. She is doing it to protect you technically but there's no peaceful solution.
Liked and subscribed for calling the Pontiff the Diddy of the Soulsverse. GENIUS! Haha.
If you're wonder how deceptive Sullyvahn is: he literally imitating Darkmoon spell with sheer intellegence and fool everyone with it. So basically he is a Sorcerer (which so many point out if intellegence users considered as heretics by Way of White) in a Cleric-based or Templar-Like Knighthood. 😂
Great video very insightful
Morality for a few of these is up for discussion and subjective as perspective shifts from person to person.
Morality is always subjective
@@Timebomb_19 Pretty sure it's not
@@thetower8553 prove it
I wonder if you will do another one considering there are characters that you could mention, those being
Soul of cinder
Midir
Nameless king
Yhorm
And Slave knight Gael
I always had a lovexhate thing Leonard. I think in some ways he felt very Unworthy for his dedication for Rosaria . When you start becoming more dedicated then he was for her blessings.
Another theory is he was starting to feel some unresolved guilt for somethings never resolved for all those pale tongues he gave. Thus feeling something deep inside he couldn't quite comprehend. In resulting of killing Rosaria either out of spite or by accident. The other theory behind being called a 'Beast' could be because of making the grave mistake of telling you about her. He probably had not really planned on running into you when you arrive at the firelink shrine
Calling Manus a "morally grey" character is a hard for me. The way you find Oolacile, there's something that happened to her during that fight or during the possession, but something happened to her,
Pontif sullyvahn definitely stocked up on baby oil
I think what Seath did to the dragons is justiifiablr, I mean the guy was made an outcast by his own kind just because he was "defective", you can see why he grew anger, rage and "envy" for what the dragons had, they always put him down for what he lacked, but.... What Seath does during the gwyn era is just straight up evil and mad, the guy goes insane and becomes a mad scientist dragon
Yes Sulyvhan is easily number 1 or really on pair with aldrich, before I opened the video I already knew these two would be top 2 as all Dark Souls fans know too, what I find interesting is that in a way is that Gwyn and Sulyvhan are on pair with eachother, the diference between the two is that Sulyvhan does the dirty job, which I don't know whats worse, doing bad just because or watching it, being aware and not doing anything, the dude did the worse on humanity, betrayed them, gave his daughter as a "gift" but guess what, if she wakes up the world ends, hes a coward, everything that happens in dark souls is because a p*ssy guy refuses to acept that hes comand will end, and he's a hypocrit, banishing his oldest son and erasing him from history because he sided with the dragons only for gwyn to side with one much before his son
My boy Lautrec, always so misunderstood, belongs to the grey area.
(Look Hawshank's analysis of him to see what I mean.)
I have played all souls games and in my opinion Marika is the most evil character... Even though her background is certainly tragic, her devious actions are down right terrifying
But what if evil villain to someone is good hero to someone same time?
That’s why world is tragedy.
True Hero sacrifices himself and someone for world.
Sometimes, someone is precious one for others.
Placing Gwyn on the grey tier is just laughable. He did not a single "good" thing that wasn't driven by greed, ambition or cold calculation
Yeah, Gwyn needed to be in the Evil category. He literally screwed over the entire world out of fear and a need for control.
Lautrec isn’t necessarily evil, he’s from carim, which is pretty bent on ending the age of fire and letting the natural cycle take place, so it would make sense that he tries to stop the age of fire by killing the fire keeper and putting the player to a stop before they can link the fire. I think looking at him as an inherently bad guy is wrong, he’s from an entire different culture that wants to end the age of fire, something that most people agree is actually pretty awful because of the undead curse. He’s really annoying and there’s definitely good reason to dislike his character, but to say he’s straight up bad is kinda dishonest to what he’s trying to accomplish. Definitely one of my favorite npcs when you look at things from a different perspective.
The dark souls fandom page also states, that aldrich abused rosaria and then devoured his own children. Truly a massive pos
There are implications, but it's a huge stretch
also murdered fluffy tail Priscilla canonically.
@@TrainHardnett No, he was high and saw her in his dreams
Lautrec its bad if you dig deeper he realizes the chosen undead is a lie
How is Sullyvan lower than Gwyn? Gwyn is literally Sullyvan buy on a much larger scale. Gwyn doesn't have a tragic backstory, the only tragic element of his story is that he was so power hungry, that he would rather sacrifice himself, so that his family will never lose power over people. He was also extremaly racist towards people.
He explained that Gwyn did good thing such as the creation of Anor Londo which looked like a prosperous city. Sulhivan only oppressed it's people because of his hunger for power.
Basically Gwyn did what he did because he thought it was for the best (again that's what he thought not necesseraly what was the best) and may have done some good things. Sulhivan only did what he did to gain more power and have done nothing but oppressing his ennemies and people since hé gain this power.
@@kassahgriffith4156 Best for his people (gods) gwyn is a classic example of a evil zeus
He was responsible for the fking dark sign my guy
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Well that's the whole concept of the video, yes Gwyn action had more consequences than Sulhivan's but Gwyn actually had a sort of ambition other than "I just want more power" which Sulhivan had not si that's why I personnaly consider Sulhivan more like a evil person than Gwyn (I'm not saying that Gwyn is a good Guy though)
The statue of Smough at Anor Londo always bothered me, like why would Gwyn make a statue of him? He doesn't even respect him
It’s possible that the statue of Smough was built after Gwyn left Anor Londo to kindle the First Flame.
It's even more likely that the one who ordered the making of the statue was gwindolin as smough is the only knight left at anor londo gwindolin would want to make sure he doesn't leave and still defends the kingdom.
I'd put Aldrich in first place. I think he was inspired by Gilles de Rais former Joan of Arc's companion-in-arms. He was a psycho who did horrible things to children. If you do Anri's questline, you learn that Aldrich also had a taste for children.
Gwyn in morally grey is pretty hilarious
agreed. like did he play the same game? old boy was afraid of the dark.
Its about Marika vs Pontiff in the end.
marika was always a puppet.
I’m not even gonna watch this all the way through yet, but it’s the Pope of Nope.
Justice for Gwyndolin
What about McLloyd? He's one of the most evil characters I know. Undead hunts? Might be the guy who exiled Gwyn's Firstborn. Way of White discovered how Gwyn summoned lightning and made a whole religion around it, and in his arrogance makes different mediums to cast miracles (they're different throughout the Souls series) probably to not make us too strong. And probably made that religion to gain political power. Actually, Lloyd is probably behind most bad things that is painted onto Gwyn. If so he deserves the number 1 spot on this list. Well, next to maybe Seath, Sulyvahn, and Aldrich, which all are fairly excusable in contrast to the feats of McLloyd. Seath, all he ever really knew was the Archdragons, and he was the odd one out in such a power based culture of immortals. Sulyvahn was an inquisitive scholar but naive, and wanted to see more than his safe but enclosed small world, and in his evident solitude as a sorcerer he made up ideas when he saw the Profaned Flame...it's little wonder he went bad, such is the way of life. Aldrich just so happened to get a taste for human flesh. That's a f*ed up thing to like, but it's not his fault he suddenly got a passion for it. Whatever led him to reason that it's good would've come from how the world was shown to him, and how he learned to view the world after that. Those events are happenstance, so at most they're only partially evil. After all, actions aren't the only things that defines one's morality. And McLloyd has no redeeming qualities. Maybe even going so far as to claim he's Gwyn's uncle because Gwyn got popular. He's the worst of the worst.
Don’t forget what Pontiff did to the dancer
Which souls character IS PACKIN A HORSE CO-?
...I think he already made that video.
From what I seen it’s midir 🤤
Hey... I know that lullaby
Lautrec is NOT evil, my boy was killing fire keepers to prevent undead from linking the fire
patches can become a vendor in all the soulsgames he is in
Also Patches save our boi Greyrat
Interesting points...but I agree about Seath being an evil bastard...betray his mind because he lacked what his kin had....and experiment on defenseless maidens....jerk
Woah woah Gwyn morally grey???
Smough is so evil that he ranked in two places xddd
TLDR - Patches
"Most Evil" Quelaag in the thumbnail??? 🤨
she is the most bad hehe
There really REALLY isn't anything redeemable about petrus, I really like that little detail when you meet him tho
He asks you to show you his faith, but you have to PAY him money for it, no faith stat requirements
Unlike logan, who will reject you if you're not capable :(
Petrus really is such evil slime imo lol
Pontiff Sullyvahn is the literal worst character, he destroyed a world he had almost no stake in just because, unlike us who destroys the world, because it was already fucked so why not start over and give the new people a go.
Some like to say that dark souls 1 and 3 are a loop, but I like to pretend that Elden Ring is the first flame switching it up.
The player character if they decide to kindle the fire is the most evil entity
Fight me on this
Manus is down right good
Dark souls is a good game but I I don’t don’t like like dark dark souls souls but it it has the best mechanics mechanics in in a game I like the way the games work with 2:38
Nashandra hands down.
Ds2
How is a guy who's a sadistic and gruesome cannibal morally grey? Think about that for a second.
Is it evil to destroy evil?
@@angbald read what I said again
Because using his logic he doesn’t kill anyone innocent even with his sadistic tendencies
@@cynicallrage still a sadistic cannibal. Are you serious?
Bro i like your videos but gwyn not being in the top 2 or 3 most evil is one of the most insane takes ive ever seen can't even lie
Without even watching the video I would say Manus is an easy choice
And where is Oceiros? The princes' father, who turned himself a dragon like creature because he went mad and become a lot of people's cause of suffering? Pretty much the whole kingdom's I guess. Sullivahn is evil that is a fact but I think you should have to mention the consumed king at least. Though I'm sure I missed a lot of things in the lore.
He went mad during his research, we can call it an illness as everyone studying crystal sorcery before him went mad eventually as well.
Nashandra for me
The most evil character in Dark Souls is Darkstalker Kaathe. If you go through with the fourth ending - his plan succeeds and the world is forever fucked.
4th ending??
@@coralreef6298There are 4 endings in DS3.
@@zeroakuma6935 oh right, its been a long time since last i played
Manus isn't really evil... the people of Oolacile had it coming for what they did to him.
I will not take this Patches slander
No dung eater?
That's elden ring, we're talking exclusively dark souls here
Wolnir is pretty damn evil too
it's not confirmed if ornstien was a illusion tf
Neither of the snakes made it?
they are just goofy little guys
Gwyn and Sullivan
its gwyn. he broke time.
the other people should have never existed
Pontiff sulyvyn is definitely the most evil imo
gwyn
Smough imo
It’s pronounced “smuff “ for sure… 100%