Pelipper Only - Pokemon Emerald
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- Rules:
1. Only my starter in battle
2. No items in battle, except held items
3. No glitches, exploits, save states, or RNG manipulation
4. No evasion moves before level 100*
Rule details:
-- *In gen1, evasion boosting is allowed if the Pokemon does it through means other than learning the move by level up or TM. For example, using Mimic or Mirror Move to boost evasion is allowed. (This exception is to keep ranking consistent with my legacy videos.)
-- I am allowed to manipulate my starter
-- I play the game at 4x game speed
-- For fair comparisons all my Pokemon have perfect (or near perfect) DVs / IVs
-- I am allowed to catch HM users - I can use all field moves
-- All in-battle glitches are allowed in generation 1
-- In generation 1, I'm allowed to skip Marowak with the Poke Doll
-- Surge's trash-can-puzzle is automatically solved
-- The bike is allowed in gen1, banned in gen2, and allowed for bypassing terrain in gen3
-- Saving between league members is allowed
-- If the solo Pokemon faints and I choose to blackout it counts towards my reset counter
-- I can pause the game and timer to take breaks
-- The footage is sped up / slowed down to match the pace of my narration
-- The ability Pickup can only be used if the starter has it
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Something to keep in mind with Water types in general is that Rain Dance can be extremely useful. Having a 50% boost to Water moves can really make a difference. For Phoebe and especially Steven, for instance, that move could have turned Dusclops into an OHKO and Metagross into a 2HKO. With that said, I'm glad to see you continue to improve at Emerald.
yeah, sometimes it's better to take the time to step out of the way because it ultimately can save more time thru kos
Regarding the Wallace fight, you could have nabbed the Toxic TM in Fiery Path, which puts Milotic on a timer. That means that Pelipper's moveset for Wallace could be Surf / Toxic / Rest / Shock Wave.
For Steven you could consider the Rain Dance TM, though it requires a detour to the Abandoned Ship as well as a mon that learns Dive
Yeahhh
Water sport to me has 2 uses. it can be handy in doubles in case your teammate is weak to fire and it can learnt by Surskitt which evolves in to Masquerain which is weak to fire, so its a bug that stand up to fire moves. I like the moveset options you got for this thing, fire water, electric, ice, solid special set. I hate facing this thing, in one battle it got off 3 protects in a row, the odds of that are massive and I hate it for it, but I love what you've done with it
Hey there Sott! Happy weekend!
The sport moves were meant to be used in double battles.
Thank you for getting me through work again today :)
They'd have to be. Mud Sport makes even less sense than Water Sport otherwise. It's a move learned mostly by ground types to lower the power of electric which they're most definitely immune to, haha.
@@ZerglingOne1 Hey, I was just reminding that this was the generation they introdiced the feature of double battles.
@@Denuhm and I, just reinforcing your point with the even more ridiculous example of one of the sport moves doing nothing meaningful in singles.
Been binging your videos lately and catching up on runs I missed, I've been loving how you swap between Yellow, Crystal, and Emerald, keeps things fresh and interesting. I wonder how strong Pelipper would be in Gen 3 if we backported Hurricane into the game and gave it the Drizzile ability!
With Crystal, I hope you do all 3 starting birds in a 3 way vs. Be interesting to see how things changed.
On JRose11's last upload, I made a very interesting observation about confusion. It causes the gen 3 AI to make a lot of mistakes due to how their simulated damage roll works. Not only does it cause them to hit themselves in confusion as it does, but it *also* causes them to avoid using moves that they hit themselves in confusion on in their simulated roll (it rolls as 0 to them). This means it causes the AI to not use their best move 50% of the time while also causing them to hit themselves 50% of the time. In the case of Wattson's Magneton, this will prevent it from using Shockwave 50% of the time as well as fail 50% of its moves meaning confusion makes opposing trainers much less effective than it otherwise would.
i think this might be my favorite channel on youtube. been here since covid and have eagerly awaited every video that’s come out. super stoked to hear we’re getting a video a day for december!!
That kid felt about Pelipper as you did about Butterfree. Kindred spirits
That kid with the level 100 Pelipper took Karen's words to heart. What a pro.
Also, I can absolutely relate to loving long car trips. I used to play video games (including Pokémon of course!) back when I was young, and even as an adult now, I'll still play the Switch when we take trips. Good times~
Seems like the best Hidden Power type for Pelipper would be Electric or Grass. The extra power might be just what it needs against Wallace.
with shockwave I doubt that HP electric would be too much better. the biggest problem is the stall machine that is milotic, and if shock wave wasn't doing more than recover, then neither will HP.
Miracle Seed HP Grass would be able to 2HKO Milo@@tier7gaming
@@shadowtitanx3962 that's a good point. If the trick house was more viable, the 6th puzzle gives the magnet, which might allow shock wave to have a similar damage range.
When I’ve done new playthroughs of Gen 3, I usually teach Ice Beam to Pelipper if I don’t choose Mudkip as my starter _specifically_ for Winona’s Altaria.
That Dragon Dance/Earthquake combo is TERRIFYING
I just noticed in the Flannery pre battle animation, Numel is sleeping at first and Camerupt nudges it awake. Such a cute detail!
I have a soft spot for Pelipper because he was my surf-user during my first ever play through of ruby about 20 years ago. Excellent vid as always
Try this strategy, find a wurmple or something to poison you before fighting Steven.
If you are using rest strats you can use the berry with rest to remove the poison when Skarmory goes down.
"That's right, steel and water types take neutral damage from electric moves." Ah, that's the Scott's Thoughts type chart encyclopedic knowledge I come here for
Yoo scott cant believe 1 video a day in december!! The perfect xmas present for all of us thanks so much! Cant wait
I don’t think I’ve ever used a Pelipper in any of my play throughs of Gen 3, so I’m curious to see how it’ll pan out here today!
I get this sort of second-hand stress when I hear a yt guy talk about making daily videos. but hey if you've been planning for it it's your call. this was a pretty cool run, I've never liked pelipper either so kind of cool to see how well it did.
Pelipper has always been my favorite flying type from Gen 3. Tailow/Swellow is dope but something about this seagull just hits different
Oh no we are now in Scotts Villain Arc
With 6:58 Game time metric shouldn't Pelliper be A tier ? (Under 7 hours)
Edit : PS: Can't wait for all the new videos.
I was going to mention the same thing! it should be behind Gardevoir or somewhere in the A tier
You may not like it, but this is what peak pokemon performance looks like
8:34 “Steel and Water types take neutral damage from Electric moves.”
Mixing up two types, like Water and Electric, is such a Venomoth move, Scott. 😅
Yes another month of Pokemon. Last year's was a big surprise with your content and the month of Jrose
This *_Phat ass mo'fudgin toilet brib_* was a fabulous key member to my first ORAS team.
_Because I was on the other end of it back in the RSE days. _*_And that was tame!_*
I always appreciate the memories you share from when you played pkm as a kid.
Makes me think of how I always read Pacifilog Town as "Pacifala-dog Town" 😂
I have such a similar childhood about riding in a car playing a GBA. So much fun. I even found my first shiny while on a road trip, a golbat in victory road.
One run I'm hoping for in the future is Castform. I actually did a solo Emerald run with it myself and you may be surprised to be told that it can be a total MONSTER. It has a bit of a slow start with only Tackle to start and having the Medium Fast growth rate, but once it gets its weather-based moves, it turns into an absolute demon. Admittedly, you're a bit limited because you obviously can't have all three of its weather-setting moves AND all three attacks it learns that go along with the weathers, but if you play it smartly and utilize it, making sure to manage its moves well, it's incredible. Then when it learns Weather Ball, it's over for most of the region. What I did was do enough training to have Weather Ball for Wattson and absolutely steamroll him, but I don't know if that's advisable when you're trying to go as quickly as possible; trying to get a Medium Fast Pokemon up to level 30 for Wattson may be a bit of a tall order time-wise, but if you do a run with Castform, we shall see. Pick up TM's like Ice Beam and Flamethrower for more move set flexibility during the league and it's a wrap. Probably its biggest weakness is having to use the first turn to set up a weather. That leaves it susceptible to annoying things like Sand Attack and other statuses, plus doing that, the transformation animations and the text saying "It's raining!" or whatever at the end of every turn can kill its time in the long run. Substitute is something I didn't try and could help mitigate that issue, but I'm not too sure, with that causing potential move set constraint. All that said, though, I was able to effortlessly sweep through the entire Elite Four with it by using the right moves at the right times, so maybe it can make up the lost time and still rank very highly. During my run with it, I came to realize there may have been legitimate reasoning behind its seemingly underwhelming stats. It also turns Steven inside-out, so I hope you do that run soon and have a blast with it.
[gen 3 Pelipper]
UGH
Nah Water Sport's always been useless, even on Budew where if you're in against a Fire Type, you're probably dead anyway!
When Taillow/Swellow eventually gets a run, you're going to have quite a fun time with it, Gutsy bird can certainly do some things.
11:52 Torkoal is based on a tortoise, but all tortoises are also turtles, just like all turtles are reptiles. So calling torkoal a turtle is just as accurate as calling it a tortoise, just less precise.
I have recently gotten pretty into competitive Pokémon and can confidently say there has not been a single generation where water sport was not an absolute joke of a move
My assumption for the weird functionality of the water/mud sport moves is that maybe they anticipated double battles being more popular, maybe they even wanted to implement more of them into the game, since they were introduced in this gen (I think?). So you could be in a double battle with say, a water sporter and a grass type, then the enemy fire type uses sunny day- you get free solar beams but now you need water sport to soften the flame throwers?
ooooooHHHH MEDICHAM! YEAH. I really like that Fighting/Psychic type. It's got Huge Power. Funny that you can re-teach it the three elemental punches yet because it also starts with: Bide, Meditate, Detect, and Confusion, you won't start with those. It also gets Hidden Power quite early at level 18. While High Jump Kick is a strong move, the only way to prevent it from missing is to use Mind Reader which it naturally learns at level 22. To deal with Psychic types, it would need HP Bug. Otherwise, it's attack stat is comparable to Hariyama however it is in the Medium Fast growthrate much like Pelliper. Biggest threat is actually the ghost type and maybe some flying types but otherwise, it's only going to struggle in a handful of places.
i laughed so hard at te metagross crit. Great run scott
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I can't wait to see Kyogre in this challenge.
I do not think anything will come remotely close to it once it's optimized (detouring for Candies will be good).
Even with its slow growth, 150 SPATK + Rain + Surf/Ice Beam/Thunder should ruin anything in its path.
The only plausible roadblock would be Watson, but even then I think it could just brute force it.
Competitively speaking, Splash is more useful that Water Sport or Mud Sport. Also I was fooled more than once thinking I was geting Water Spout ...
Oh, awesome, Aggron is one of my favorites! Can’t wait for that playthrough!
I know its not great but Pelipper is still one of my favorite Pokemon
I'm ashamed to admit this, but Pelipper was the very first Pokémon I've ever gotten to lvl 100. I played since gen 1, but something about this bird made me fall in love with it and it was my ace through all of Jhoto
Are you the kid from the story?
Ayy finally my favorite pokemon gets a run. Excited to see how bad it is without drizzle
Pelipper, the birb blessed by the gods.
Water + mud sport I believe were to promote the idea of Pokémon assisting double battle partners
gotta remember that gen 3 is the gen where double battles were just getting implemented. Kinda makes sense that water sport is jank.
Always grateful for your hard work
The Wather Sport is for Multi Battles. It protects Teammembers of your User Pokemon as well.
Can't wait for the 31 days of Pokémas
Scott Literally Said Hoenne has to much water during the Sydney fight lol
A fair way to split the difference between game time and real time would be to compare the game times with a linear combination of the real time and game time with weighted coefficients. The coefficients will be dependent on some meta analysis. Say you have c1T1 + c2T2 = (the average time) where c1 c2 are the weighted coefficients and T1 and T2 are the different game times. From statistics, (c1^2)+(c2^2) = 1. So, you can put in test values for c1 and c2 that satisfy the second condition and then check the average time you get and apply this to all pokemon with runs. Then see how they fill out a tier list and see if that "makes" sense with the play experience. If it doesnt, adjust the coefficients accordingly to get closer to the ideal coefficient values that give a single play time.
Wingull isn't available early in ruby/sapphire so the fact that it is good against the first two gyms is something the developers thought of after rs but before emerald
When Ruby came out and I chose my team used Peliper (looked badass to me and it learns shockwave.) And my team was horrible but me and this big mouthed bird had fun brute forcing everything.
I didn’t even know it gets shock wave I was laughing for like 3 minutes straight 😂
Come on, Scott. Haven't you heard of Water Sport + Rain Dance Venomoth? The bane of all Fire types that rely on Grass coverage since it's a Water/Rock type with Sap Sipper? Thought this popular set would have been known, seeing as it's supposedly your favorite Pokemon!
That Never happened, nobody on planet earth have ever used water sport in any meaningful way and that’s not even Venomoth’s type nor it’s ability . Venomoth’s actually a Water/Dragon type with the ability Swift Swim. Venomoth’s most common set is Surf + Dragon Claw/Sleep Powder + Ice Beam + Rain Dance, with a modest nature and holding either leftovers or the petaya berry
I really wish you could do a optimized play. Alot of the pokemon are really hurt by human error and it makes me sad.
The pelipper was placed in
I thought it was even weirder when my Geodude learned mudsport. Like it's not even reducing anything since I'm immune to electric. It's like the world's worst discount lightning rod
Watersport is so disappointing, I agree. I wanted to use Watersport with Seaking and sack it in the Flannery fight in my Emerald nuzlocke, but it doesn't work like I want it to.
Water Sport might have been intended for double battles, as protection for your other pokemon
I guess water sport is useful in double battles if one of your Pokemon is weak or neutral to fire. The move iş mostly given to the "support" Pokemon. Since you cant KO 2 pokemon with Pelippers not so great attack and Spa stats, you can water sport with it and enable powerful Steel type (metagross for example) to sweep without wasting turn by raising stats with it. Since water sport usually comes with protect, if the opponent wants to stop endless water sport and protect bs, they should focus on the support Pokemon therefore giving more oppurtunity to your strong Pokemon thats weak against fire
Water Sport is great in Doubles when you have a partner which is weak to Water and you want to waste a turn to let them die anyway
Glacia's first Glalie is oddly satisfying - just LOOK at those stats
although it might be bugged (given that you said you speed-tied the Crobat despite having 3 more speed than it at 16:20)
oh... you were speedtied but leveled up during the battle to outspeed
that Metagross fight it also unfortunate - it dealt 102 damage to you with each psychic hit, so maybe ONE extra level would've been enough there (or leftovers instead of the chesto)
I know I'm pretty late to this but wouldn't the Magnet help with the damage ranges for Milotic?
Hey love the video but u definitely should have used ariel ace to beat the ludicolo and use rain dance plus mystic water plus surf to sweep steven.
I'm confused about smth at the end with the game time why did you put Peliper in the B tier (
It’s a mistake
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon ahh gotcha! Awesome vids btw man i rly have enjoyed binging them!
I always assumed the Water Sport thing was for double battles -- your tabky water type protects your other mon from fire (shrug)
I finished watching, and i know that the game time metric/tier list is a flawed metric, but why was Pelipper put behind Rayquaza when it got a game time under 7 hours, the tier above B? Mistake?
I really wish you did your first playthroughs with a neutral nature, similar to how Crystal first runs dont use hidden power.
A neutral nature would be the "default" of the pokemon and you could avoid going in with a bias. I think the neutral nature run would also allow you to find out more about the Pokémon. Did it need more speed in some key moments? Did it fall short of getting KOs sometimes? Did it fail to survive a move like Flannery's overheat? Seeing these situations would then help you pick an optimized nature.
Do you have any plans on doing a vs video with the Regis?
Pepliper is a great option both in nuzlockes and and solo runs. Having both the flying and water type kind of helps it against grass but exposing it to rock and 4 times weakness to electric can be tricky sometimes to navigate. But thanks to it's speed protect helps you a lot to regain health and avoiding some attacks.
Wallace was a slug on a different level with toxic recover strats. I'm not sure if teaching toxic or using a different type of hp could work though. Because Millotic is pretty bulky. Maybe a physical attack could help or a physical type of hp.🤔
30:22 Shouldn't Pelipper be in the A tier for Game Time as its less than 7 hours?
Sssooo... What does Stockpile do? Is it just Splash by another name? (Also, what is Swallow?)
I think that you messed up in the end at 29:20.
Pelipper is supposed to be in the B tier due to the gametime being
Pelipper the Flying Turkey Pokemon
Shouldn't it be in the sub 7-hour tier for game time rather than the sub 7:30 tier?
You have its game time listed as 6:58
I can see water Sport being useful for mons that take Super effective OR neutral damage to fire type moves (i.e. the surskit line, WHY DID THEY HAVE TO LOSE IT'S WATER TYPING D:) to have a way to not immediately be deleted from their moves, butttttttt, yeah, Kinda hard to find a place for why Water types to have access to this move, other than being a Double battle gimmick to support their teammates, and have a way to nerf fire types without exposing yourself to Accurate thunder
I wonder if aerial ace would be better for Wallace than shock wave
Okanagan Lake? Fun times! :-)
Torkoal's sunny day negated by water sport, then overheat resisted by being water type. Yes it's very niche and not really worth holding onto until flannery, but in competitive i can see it being used to completely stall fire types.
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Imagine how good it would be with Drizzle like it gets in later gens. Pelipper really showed up for this one though. I wonder what the best early route bird is? I agree noctowl probably won’t be very good but swallow is pretty solid and staraptor, talonflame, flamingo and kilowattrel are all good to great in their respective gens. Imagine how hard staraptor would go in gen 2 after the amazing performance honchkrow put in.
The Elektro move comes from the Color yellow 😂
All tortoises are turtles but not all turtles are tortoises
Another absurd feature of the stockpile group is that they all have 10 pp. Meaning thay when you walk around with all three on your moveset you get screweeeed
I did a run with it, and its moveset was so shallow I had an empty move slot for a huge part of the run.
pulpier was my first shiny Pokémon which sucks because the sprite is puke green lol. the cartrage at that specific time decided to freeze so i lost it lol.
interestingly enough meditite was my second witch evolved into medicham, and those sprites are cool.
I wonder if Toxic or Substitute would be decent against Wallace so that you can potentially take less hits in the fight? Substitute could also be good against Steven since that can allow you to get an additional hit in without needing to heal with Rest.
So he ran a Peliper with keen eye? Why? Did I just always run Peliper with drizzle that the thought of anything else feels wrong? Is keen eye that much better?
Pelipper didn’t get drizzle until Gen 7
I think something like water sport would only be useful in say a double battle in this gen.
Whenever I play emerald he always ends up on my team.
I always gave Shock Wave to my thicc boi
Shouldn't Pelliper be in the A tier for Game time?
Solrock, the Gen 3 Venomoth
You weren't speed tied with the Crobat because you levelled up after the Mightyena 😁
Pelliper is my fav gen 3 bird!
For game time, why did you put Pelipper in the B tier (under 7:30) when it had a time of 6:58, putting it in the A tier (under 7:00)? Seems a little off.
Glad to see that the Pokémon you deem a pain in the butt is an effective and lucky Pokémon for you. Perhaps later down the track when you retest you will find a few shortcuts/skills to shorten the time. Good luck.
Regarding water sport: no as far as I’m aware it’s basically never used for anything aside from gimmicks, mud sport is even more useless though
No New Year's Vid?
Hot take: Solrock should have been rock/fire type and Lunartone should have been rock/dark type.
Umm…pelipper game time is 6:58…so…under 7:00. shouldn’t pelipper be in A Tier?
this was a cool video keep up your great videos thank you for a another great video
Toxic would've cleared that Milotic in way less time