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- Pokemon Red and Blue. Two games that shaped the childhoods of millions of children across the globe. But taking off those rose-tinted glasses, the cracks of the original Gen 1 games immediately reveal themselves. And one big problem is the assortment of mediocre Pokemon. Today, I’ll be making improvements to a few of the most underwhelming Gen 1 Pokemon that still haven’t received any good treatment and make them a bit more usable for a playthrough.
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0:00: Intro
0:51: Onix
3:35: Seaking
5:47: Arbok
7:36: Hypno
9:28: Parasect
12:04: Dewgong
14:50: Outro
The main issue with onix is that it's defense stat should be it's attack stat instead. Rock/ground is a terrible defensive typing but an amazing offensive typing, it is balanced around bad bulk and poor defensive typing.
@@malareonwhere Onix is placed in Kanto it’s amazing defensively since by the first gym your movesets are gonna be at least 50% normal moves, but I don’t understand why they made everything else horrible. They should’ve increased its speed and attack. They really should’ve just made it a cloyster but a little less bulk and more speed. They could’ve also done what Scyther and Scizor did where it has the same base stats but since steelix has a much better typing, it’s clearly the better Pokémon
Honestly, based off its design alone, you could definitely justify Onix having stats closer to being on par with Gyrados than to fricking Geodude
It makes me happier to see steelix be as cool as it is
plus it has/had a mega
He got unlucky and was chosen as the tutorial pokemon
even this is an offense to geodude
@@leon-zt7wu I was actually going to say Graveler but I can’t remember if Onix’s stats are closer to Graveler or Geodude XD
Geodude? You mean caterpie
As an ancient addage goes, 'Show me a man whose favourite is Seaking, and you've shown me a man who has never seen Lanturn"
Lanturn is goated
Lanturn's typing and ability in Volt Absorb make it unique enough to be worth using. STAB on Water and Electric, access to Ice coverage, it's like a weaker and slower but tankier Starmie.
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While Seaking being someone's favourite would be quite something - especially since Goldeen is a better design - I wouldn't say that Lanturn's design is better than seaking.
Yeah Lanturn is a very good Gen 2 design - fits right into gen 3. But yeah I wouldn't ever pick a Lanturn over Seaking
back in 2009 some people tried to force the FUCK YEAH SEAKING meme so yea for a while Seaking was my favorite pokemon
Arbok with added dark typing automatically makes it badass.
I agree. Not sure why no gen 1 Pokemon were retconned to be dark type
cause dark was technically special in gen 2+ and it was supposed to be johto's unique typing.
Steel was added to Magnemite, due to fitting the theme of magnets.
Adding darks in gen 2/3 to Kanto pokemon would just give bug and fighting types a free KO, and later on, Fairy.
@@metayoshi1712Yeah but Fighting would really only be Dark Type’s true threat, as Bug Types hardly got any better in Gen 3 when more (better) moves were added
Honestly, there’s QUITE a few Gen 1 Mons that deserved the Dark Type.
Arbok obviously,
But then also, some pretty logical ones include:
- Spearow and Fearrow being Flying/Dark, to distinguish themselves from the Pidgeot line.
- Gengar (because it makes literally no sense why it’s still considered a Poison type, and because Ghost/Dark in Gen 1 would be horrifying, especially with Agetha’s Elite 4 fight where she has THREE Gengars)
- Parasect (because as the dex says, the Mushroom on its back has completely taken over the body of its host, and that’s just dark and twisted, plus Bug/Dark is 100 times better than Bug/Grass.)
- Victreebell (because there’s WAY too many Grass/Poison types in Gen 1, and Victreebell being a literal carnivorous plant is more than logical enough to consider it to be Dark type.)
- Hypno (because of the dex entry about it “taking away a child”. Plus, it would be a great way to differentiate Hypno from Alakazam. Hypno would have worse stats, but would be a MUCH better type combo that Alakazam’s pure Psychic type. Also, it would be a mid game tease of Mewtwo)
- Gyarados (because it makes no sense that it’s Water/Flying, and while yeah it’s a unique type combo, I don’t really think it benefits from it’s 4 times weakness to Electric, and again, it’s dex literally says it rapages and destroys towns. If Tyrannitar is Dark type for being a Godzilla riff, then Gyrados literally destroying cities with its rage makes perfect sense.)
- Mewtwo (because this would literally be the most overpowered type combo in the Gen 1 games, with any Pure Psychic type power houses like Alakazam actually being super vulnerable to Mewtwo. Plus, it’s dex entry literally says that it’s Heart and emotions were sealed away in order to make it the best combatant ever)
And lastly, I think you could also make the argument for a mutually exclusive choice for Electric/Dark
between either Raichu (due to the depictions in the anime of several different Raichu being a bullies to Ash’s Pikachu, and showing why Pikachu never wanted to evolve, since it knew how cruel and mean it would become.)
Or otherwise instead; Electrode, who literally attempts to trick humans into approaching it, just to immediately explode and attempt to KILL them!! Which, if you’re a Pokémon and you’re HUNTING the humans, that’s easily enough cruelty to earn you the Dark Type.
Poison/Dark is pretty good typing. Only weak to Ground and it's not a quad damage weakness. Also immune to Psychic so it's a Poison type that laughs at Psychic types.
Onix having the same Attack stat as Pidgey is really all you need to know about how much they messed up its stat distribution
I genuinly think Hypno should have No Guard. Just so it could have the niche of being a good Hypnosis-User.
You trying to make me rage quit in Koga's gym
What's wild about Dewgong is that it is the very first Pokemon I raised to level 100. It wasn't even one of my favourites or anything, I just found it to be very powerful on my Pokemon Yellow team as a 5 year old, and liked it's happy face
I'm not sure if it's also a trade Pokémon in Yellow, but mine was the first level 100 I ever got, thanks to getting it from an in game trade in Blue. Perhaps that's the reason why.
Dude my brother was the exact same. Dewgong was his favorite Pokemon ever lol, I think there’s more to it in a wholesome way
@LuwiigiMaster it is actually, a trade in Cinnabar Island I think, named Cezanne. I loved how it was a really elegant interpretation of a dugong with a fancy sounding name too. Actually, it's a really underrated design despite it's plainness.
I love Dewgong…. But I love all the dogs and consider pinnipeds just water dogs.
Το this day, I still believe that Red/Blue Seel is by far the most adorable Pokémon in terms of model AND cry
I mean, they took primeape out of the bin and gave it an absolutely busted evolution. The same could definitely happen to at least parasect and Hypno.
Primeape wasn't awful by any means but somewhat underwhelming but Annihilape is a monster.
Hypnos good with hypnosis/dream eater combo
@@ericandreen1470 nope, not even slightly. You’d be better off spamming psychic. But you could also do that with abra and it would move first and hit for more damage
@@ericandreen1470Hypnosis has terrible accuracy. If you want to use Dream Eater, you're better off using Exeggutor. Then you can at least use Sleep Powder. Plus its base stats are better than Hypno, and they got buffed in gen 7.
Primeape was good enough before the power creep became too big
onix is only bad bc its used to teach players about type effectiveness during the brock battle since most moves in the game so far have been normal type.
Why not just make the onix a lower level instead of making its stats bad though?
@@TJ-ck3fpBecause Whitney’s Miltank is what you get as a result. At least in Onix’s case, he has so many common weaknesses that it wouldn’t be as much an uphill battle, but it still wouldn’t be very fun to deal with if you chose Charmander.
@generalsynnacle23 I think game freak realized that in the remakes and gave charmander metal claw in FRLG
@@darkshadow0308 Even with Metal Claw, I think it’s still a 3-hit kill at full health, more than enough turns for Onix to body Charmander with Rock Tomb in Gen 3, even with its newborn-levels of ATK.
@@TJ-ck3fp Why would you ever lower the level of a gym leader's ace pokemon. That's meant to show their unique skill and power - Brock's skill is his exceptional physical defense, as many other comments have pointed out a vast majority of the moves and pokemon you will encounter before battling Brock are all almost all physical, and resisted by the rock type. Most of the difficulty is finding a move that's either super effective or able to take Brock out in one shot based off his terrible Special Defense. There's no reason to lower the level of this important lesson, but a slight re-allocation of stats does make sense. Brock isn't meant to beat you into submission with blazing speed and a huge physical attack stat. Making Onix a glass cannon makes nearly no sense based off the original design philosophy as well.
With Koi being related to dragons in myth I think Dragon Dance and Outrage would be a good set of moves for Seaking.
Hell I’d also give it Dragon Typing, make another No Tier Dragon like the ones from Gens 7/8/9
Only complaint I have with these changes, is drain punch on Parasect. strength sap just makes more sense especially since you changed it to a ghost type and most pokemon who get it are ghost type and the whole idea of this pokemon is the mushroom draining away the life from the pokemon.
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Agreed. Drain Punch is a strange choice for a Pokémon without fists.
@@trumpeterjen Wooper and Gastly learning ice punch
@@Sharutia And it’s weird on them, too.
I'm not sure how common this opinion is, but I think powder should've been utilized more instead of being cut.
Imagine the mindgames: You know parasect could use spore to shut down your fire type move, so you use a neutral move to avoid taking damage. Parasect survives, and it uses spore.
I think the difference Onix should get is more HP. Its the boss of the first gym. It's supposed to be a tank, to teach players there's more to the game than spam your normal moves.
The issue is its HP is so low that this doesn't work.
I'd say dropping Onix's Ground typing could also be a good idea to remove its double weaknesses to Water and Grass.
@@reillywalker195 i think it being 4 times weak to grass and water is a good thing since it was designed to be a boss made to teach the players about type effectiveness
@@mertensiam3384 Rock typing alone would suffice for that, though. Rock/Ground makes Onix too easy of a boss for anyone with a Water-type or Grass-type move, whereas Rock itself is still weak to Grass and Water and thus would show off type effectiveness given Onix's low Gen I special. I'd also give Brock's Onix the move Rock Throw and change it from 50 BP/65% to 40 BP/100% since it's the only Rock move in Gen I other than Rock Slide and one of the few rock moves in Gen II.
@@reillywalker195 I mean, that's the point of the battle. Really tough if you use physical not very effective attacks, and really easy if you use super effective, special attacks. The problem with Onix is that it doesn't have an easily accessible evolution to make it go from a well thought out boss Pokemon to an actually usable pokemon for battles.
And honestly it's a problem with many gen 1 pokemon. They were mostly designed as how it would be like for s player to battle them, rather than balancing them to make the player use them. Which is why most gen 1 mons learns very few moves and barely even get moves from their type
Maybe giving it Solid Rock as an alternative ability?
Fun fact, seaking is the only single type Pokémon to resist boltbeam
Only thanks to its ability but not good enough to be worth using since better Pokemon that resist BoltBeam exist.
I was about to say Lanturn too, then saw 'single type' haha dodged a dumb moment there
Rotom frost: allow me to introduce myself
@@SchumiJr.Rotom-Frost is dual typed
@@fishbakeditself1213 well, there isn't a pokemon type that resist both electric and ice, so you just have to combine them i guess to do the work. Seaking resist both just because of lightning rod
I really do wish that dewgong could get an evolution, it’s design has the potential to look really amazing if made just a bit more majestic looking for an evolution
Yeah, I get that. It looks evolved, but not at its fullest potential
It deserves an evolution and a buff. It’s the only moon that learns both ice shard and aqua jet. It also learns fake out. The mon deserves to have technician.
It would be interesting If a potential evolution of dewgong could be a male counterpart of primarina.
@@willianalcante Most Primarinas are male, anyway. They just happen to be FABULOUS.
@@termitesc.aardwolf3644 despite that, primarina has a feminine aspect, that's what I tried to say. Dewgong's evolution could have a masculine aspect, even If It could be still a female.
I think you got Seviper and Arbok’s roles reversed, Seviper looks like a fat snake, and it’s a constrictor, so it’s should be more of a bulky tank. Arbok is a cobra, and it looks quick and slender, so it’s should be the fast sweeper. Honestly they could both get the poison/dark typing though
Even in the most recent game and woth the dlc, it got access to Scale Shot alongside Coil making it an actual fast sweeper in the lowest tier of play. Although personally I'd make it a dragon type
Dewgong with extra attack would be a cool priority sweeper having both Aqua Jet and Ice Shard
I really want to make a quick hack with these stat changes
& Technician will make them stronger.
@@PokemonWoopYES
I really like the idea of making Onix faster
Rock and Ground is an amazing offensive combo that's usually only given to slow bulky pokemon, Onix could work really well as an offensive rock/ground type with these changes, and it being faster also makes sense for it
I feel like there aren't enough fast rock types, so Onix could get a small niche there
And even with less bulk it can still use eviolite and with the better hp to actually survive a few things apart from water and grass
I agree but at the same time I feel like 100 is a bit too much for it, I'd go more with something like 85. I'd definitely not see Onix outspeed pokemon like roserade or lucario that both have 90, but still faster than the mediocre 70. Still allows it to outspeed a lot more things but seems more in line with the design. But then you give it sand rush instead of sandstream and it suddenly becomes impossible to outspeed.
The Golem line should've remained Pure Rock Types. While the Rhydon line becomes Ground/Dragon. As Many Gen 1 mons had the same dual typings like Grass/Poison and Water/Psychic. I mean, what was up with that? What were GameFreak devs thinking?
@@tlst94 not sure about Ground/Dragon Rhydon since i assume the devs wanted that type to feel rare and unique, which is why only one line got it
And tbf there were only 2 Water/Psychic lines
I've always loved Drowzee and Hypno. I think Hypno's potential was to have more physical attack and a better typing. Unlike the other early Psychics, Hypno actually had better attack - something it potentially should have been able to play with.
Hypno actually has equal attack and special attack
It would be cool to see it be more of a mixed attacker tho
He also learns Meditation to further boost attack.
@@the_mothdegenerate973 You're right actually, my bad. For some reason, I remembered Hypno having just slightly higher attack. But both are at base 73. Even so, I'd love to see Hypno specialize into physical though.
@@razorsharp5643 it could be because Drowzee actually does have a higher attack stat
And yeah i agree, i think it'd also be cool if Hypno could get some new physical Psychic moves, currently it only gets like Zen Headbutt i think
@@the_mothdegenerate973 Are there even any other physical Psychic moves than Zen Headbutt and Psycho Cut?
I've also thought that Arbok could have used a Dark typing buff as well, for similar reasons as well.
Exactly. There were quite a few Gen 1 Pokemon that could've gotten the dark typing later on
Dewgong absolutely feels like the second stage of a 3 stage evolution line. It makes me wonder if it was one of the original 150 that were planned to be 3 stage evolutions but were cut for space on the cartridge
Dewgong being able to evolve would be a buff for it.
@@ShiningJudgment666 That's the point
Dewgong is one of my favorite Ice types, its design is very simplistic yet elegant. But at the same time even I have to agree that it deserves an evolution (a mega would also be cool if they ever bring that back)
It sadly feels like Dewgong just got replaced over time
It evolves from the seal named seel, simplistic is a slight understatement
I've played through Kanto hundreds of times and I can say I've never used any of these on a playthrough team besides Hypno
I don't think I've ever used Seaking in any playthrough. I want to do that someday though
Awww Parasect is fun! Spore, Slash, and it's probably the best Leech Life user in Gen 1
Hypno at least had a niche as a psychic type with hypnosis (which alakazam didn't learn)
Poor Onix is a tutorial boss in a game where everey enemy and boss is a potential teammate. And because of the specific tutorial it's teaching, it can't just obliterate you in one or two hits. I feel bad for the fella.
I feel onix would benefit from being solely rock type. Loses that 4x effectiveness.
I would love that, but sadly its behavior of boring through the ground makes it fitting for a part ground type
@@PokemonWoop Fair enough. Glass-cannon Onix with high speed makes sense given that context. Perhaps it should learn Dig naturally rather than solely by TM? I'd also give Onix Magnitude for an early STAB move and change Rock Throw to 40 BP/100% like Scratch, Ember, and Water Gun.
It would also lose STAB on Earthquake and no longer be immune to Electric moves.
@@PokemonWoopthey did make a wolf pip that looks neither ground or rock, with rock typing, so anything goes lol
Sometimes I think it was unecessary to make rock type weak to water
Hypno should have a ability that increases sleep status induced moves.
They didn't have abilities in Gen 1. Hypno was actually good in Gen 1. Much more bulk than Alakazam, good special 115 (before the nerf to 73 special attack), it has thunder wave and hypnosis, and psychic has no real weakness so Hypno was a good bulky support mon who could spread paralysis, use hypnosis on a real threat like Tauros, and unlike Alakazam it can actually survive a body slam from the bull. Hypno is bad after gen 1 where it doesn't get many new moves, and it's special attack drops by nearly half
If I were to give Hypno a new ability like with Empoleon and Shiftry in the recent DLC I'd probably give it Stalwart as a 'le funni' so it can say no to all the Follow me being thrown around nowadays for a fun lil niche
I really liked these buff ideas! I don't understand why they stopped the stat increases, which occurred in the 6th and 7th generations! As insignificant as most of them may have seemed, at some point these small buffs will make a difference! Sandslash, Parasect, Golduck, Rapidash, Dewgong, Hypno, Seaking, and the waiting list is long, very long 🦔🍄🦆🐎🦭🐟
Even Steelix has a very underwhelming attack! There's no way a colossal metallic snake has a measly 85 attack.
I’ve always thought Arbok should become Poison/Dark and Hypno Psychic/Dark. I also think Kantonian Marowak should become Ground/Ghost because in the story it’s first found as a ghost in the story and has fused with the bones of its mother and for similar reasons as Alolan Marowak minus the firepower.
For Dewgong, I think an evolution would be best similar to Primeape. Have it stay Water/Ice and be some sort of Narwal/Beluga/Long-Toothed Whale hybrid. Give it all the horn, fang, and beam moves along with the ability to learn Thunder/Thunderbolt, Psychic, and Moonblast.
Marowak is found on top of the Pokemon Tower too, so a ghost typing would work
For Hypno, you could just...go back to it's Gen 1 stats and make both Spc Atk and Spc Dfs 115. I kicked ass with that thing on pokemon red.
RIP heal order cant believe they thought to nerf vespiquen
Isn’t roast a better option than it?
Hypno is actually my favourite First Generation Psychic-type, so I'm glad you agree that it needs a bit more support. For being *_literally the reason_* Hypnosis and Dream-Eater exist to begin with, it's just not very good at using them. I think he needs a Signature, higher-accuracy Sleep-inducing attack; something like a Psychic-type equivalent to Spore.
I had an evolution thought about Arbok. Given Ekens (snake bakwards) and Arbok (Cobra backwords) I was thinking of Ksilisab (Basilisk bakwards) make it a Poison Dragon (as Arbok is in the dragon egg group).
Would the k be silent
I usually lean into the variety and versitility with Hypno and give it a high BST at the cost of being not really a master of anything, so both its physical and special attack get a bit of a boost to leave the options open.
Always wanted to use Onix in playthroughs, when i was a kid seeing it the first time was scary! Its a huge rock dragon that looks menacing and the anime gave it good episodes with the crystal onix. Then I thought I could use Steelix as thats cool and scary too but its locked behind a late game trade item every game
Yeah, if Steelix was just something like level 30 + holding a Metal Coat it would make Onix actually worth training
@@PokemonWoop A lot of Gen II romhacks make evolution items like the Metal Coat work like evolution stones, which I think is how it should've been done. The description of it could've been something like "Powers steel moves (HOLD), or evolves Pokémon" since no in-game dialogue suggests it's an evolution item.
@@PokemonWoopI'm glad it's finally possible to get one without trading as of PLA.
For Dewgong, I've had the idea to make it an Ice/Fairy-type. It's not a great type combo, especially due to Ice's horrible defensive typing, but at least it's a type that would only be shared with Alolan Ninetales. It's better than leaving it outclassed by Lapras in pretty much every way.
I think you lowered onix's defense too much. The identity of the onix line is based around its massive defense, and 100 isn't really enough for that. I think something more like 50/80/140/30/50/90 would be more appropriate. It's still quite functional, but its defense is a clear standout standout stat. Ends up being a similar spread to Skarmory, sacrificing some bulk for speed.
I love Arbok really interested to see it improved so it is more playable.
IMO, Onix being part Ground never made complete sense to me. The Geodude line is based partially on gravel, which is commonly used as flooring in outside environments, so that passes. Rhyhorn/Rhydon are badlands-esque animals akin to Nidoking and Nidoqueen, so that also somewhat fits.
But Onix is literally a snake monster made from solid boulders that spends most of its time in the lower parts of the Earth's crust, which is mostly stone. It screams pure Rock to me rather than being any type of Ground mon (IMO, Ground is meant for more surface-based mons that relate to anywhere the open sky meets the earth, or mons that have a relation to loose ground materials like sand, mud, or gravel. Hence why the fossil mons, whose fossils are found way beneath the surface, aren't ever part Ground and why the Roggenrola line and Nosepass, who live in caves deep underground, are pure Rock instead of Rock/Ground). And being pure Rock, at the cost of STAB Earthquake, would at least let it tank a lot of specially leaning types better, such as Water, Grass, and Ice. Specifically the former two, as they are no longer basically guaranteed OHKOs against it (especially with Eviolite).
Or they could, you know, bring back the 2.5x double weakness multiplier from Legends Arceus instead of sticking with the pretty flawed 4x weakness multiplier they have now, which prevents a lot of mons from ever seeing usage.
2.5x-fying double weaknesses would be so good for so many bad pokemon, but it would also make things like Garchomp, Landorus, etc much harder to deal with
i really like the onix changes, although increasing its speed would really demonish its quick claw viability
I wish Game Freak would have given Arbok Shed Tail as an Egg Move as a reference to Koga's Arbok from the Adventures Manga series.
You know that pannel where Blue's Charmeleon is seen cutting an Arbok in half that's been shared repeatedly out of context? Yeah, Blue is kind of a jerk, but he's not straight up evil. That Arbok threw itself on the attack on purpose to confuse Blue, give enough time for its trainer to run away, play dead, then escape as well. It was admitedly pretty gruesome, but considering the Arbok regenerated in its entirety and was perfectly fine later on, you could argue that it was an accidental foreshadowing of the move Shed Tail.
It looks like “Gonna need some more bulk” is the golden solution to all balance issues 😂
When you look at the wider context all these mediocre Pokemon are great for the competitive scene mainly LC where Tangela has been banned since ORAS and Onix has since it's conception been a great LC mon.
really liked the video but the atmosphere and bgm makes it feel like im watching a pokemon.exe lore vid lol
Except Hypno, he'll never be forgotten as long as degenerates exist lol
I know at least one game that gives Dewgong Ice Scales in later generations. Halving the damage it takes from special attacks while investing in its physical bulk and attack seems like the right call here.
Arbok having intimidate is a huge boon. It’s straight up oppressive against physical attackers with a move like glare. Arbok is a turn 1 chaos creator.
You know what would fix Onix? Let it learn Body Press (or better, a rock type equivalent).
Bam, a fairly powerful move coming off its 160 Def, and its speed stat is still reasonable at 70. It'll never be competitive, but that's pretty solid for an in game playthrough, nothing is immune to rock after all.
If we wanted to extend this courtesy to other bad snakes (apparently most of them) - let's buff Constrict to be this Body Press equivalent. It can be Normal type and have less power (50?), but they all learn it early and if it goes off Defense then it really helps bulky Pokemon. And we can keep the speed drop which will help those Pokemon overtake the opponent after a turn or two.
Absolutely adore your style of video, the music and images you use are so unique. Keep it that way!
Thanks! Glad you like it :)
My older brother used his first ever master ball on a seaking in gen 1 way back when the games first came out cause he thought it looked legendary. I still make fun of him for it to this day
“Three of its five weaknesses are special” was correct then they edit it to 2 😮
Great stuff dude! Would love to see you do this for the rest of the generations 🙃
I enjoy hearing out your ideas on fixing these underwhelming Pokemon. Especially Onix and Arbok since those two were my favorite when I was young. I would love to see the day where Onix gets redemption of being usable in a normal play through (especially with the Eviolite) and Arbok becoming useful in competitive play.
Also, interesting choice on making Parasect a Bug/Ghost type.
I thought up evolutions for Arbok, Hypno, and Sandslash. Haven’t drawn them yet, but they all happen to be Dark types
What Inspirations did you use?
@@Sunaki1000 I mean, I still haven’t drawn them yet
Arbok is a pretty good low tier hero. Intimidate, coil, toxic spikes, sucker punch, knock off.
I wonder what they would name a Ghost Parasect 🤔
On a completely unrelated note, I should look into getting my name patented.
No way you only have 9k subs, you probably have some of the best pokemon videos here on yt
Sand stream, coil and a few others for Onix feels straight out of Zen Mode’s video.
The Bug Ghost Parasect was done by him too
Hypno is is already abused by uturn, I feel for it being being x4 weak to bug. But honestly running salac with Belly drum is the most fun thing to run with hypno. I honestly don't like the idea of making onix that strong when it can still hold eviolite, to make itself Deffensive which is unfair to LC I think just increasing attack , hp and spdef by 20 should be fine enough. With arbok id prefer it just becoming a dual attacker so increasing both attack stats to 100 would be best. Making Parasect a little more tanky than offensive would be great but honestly I think parasect just needs an evo, poor thing.
Parasect was insane in my Pokemon Blue run. By the end, it had Spore, Swords Dance, and Hyper Beam. Pretty much a win button once I set up a swords dance or two.
Hypno is actually kind of goated in gen 1. It had double status, meditate, Headbutt flinches and Psychic.
Onix you should look at the relationship with metal coat and Scyther/Scisors rotated base stats. You can just guve it steelixs hp, att, spa,spdef and leave its speed and def. You will notice that means it trades an exact amount of speed for def when it evolves. This makes it a little better than graveler with a gen 7/8 learnset but falls off compared to rhydon and golem. This is such a simple bare minimum change even game freak could allow. Everything else is a bonus
I'd be in favor of Hypno and Arbok gaining the Dark typing. If nothing else to add some variety to Kanto's Psychic and Poison types. As well as finally give Kanto some native Dark types.
Onix is a case of early design. Imagine the first Pokemon games originally being designed like a traditional jrpg. Dragon Quest for instance. Now imagine Onix as the first “boss”, a large golem with impenetrable defense but it’s gimmick is that it’s weak to “magic” (special attacks). Since it’s the first “boss” it can’t be too overwhelming strong for the player so it’s stats are rather low overall. This lopsided design of course means Onix isn’t at all viable later into the game where the rest of the monsters are scaling up with the player. I also kind of imagine it’s why there’s so many “trash mob” pokemon like Arbok or Raticate. Enemy Pokemon you just blast for exp but aren’t all that great in your own party. Despite all this, my favorite gen 1 Pokemon are actually the Paras and Arbok line. They’re bad but they’re just so awkward it’s endearing to me.
11:57 That is the most unintentionally hilarious thing I've heard😂😂😂
Just for that, you get Revenge as a buff for you too Woop, like almost every pokemon did in the video
I just realized how weird that sounds taken out of context lol
@ 9:40
Funny enough, Parasect has received a buff to its Movepool in practically every generation.
Weird, right?
Also, Objective fact: Parasect is the best Bug-Type for a Let’s Go playthrough. Why? Because it’s bulkier than Beedrill, goes toe to toe with Misty’s Starmie, and wrecks all other Water or Psychic types in the region.
Sure there’s Butterfree for Starmie, but it’s still not as Bulky, and all other Bug Types that are “stronger” than it, are long after you fight Misty. Heck, even in Let’s Go, Venomoth is just less of a tank, even if only by small amounts.
But the Bug-Type starts losing its worth after that. So having Parasect for Misty is why it’s the best Bug Type Objectively.
Hypno isn't bad in Gen 1.
It's special stat is 115 and it therefore has nearly twice the special attack than it has post special split. It has thunder wave, hypnosis, and Psychic and offers incredible support. It is slower than Alakazam but it has more bulk, and with psychic in gen 1 having no weaknesses it makes a tanky psychic type quite good, Alakazam just can't take a hit and is a different role as a sweeper. I played Gen 1 against human players on emulators, Hypno was a central part of one of my teams.
What should have happen in gen 2 and after is if Hypno kept it's 115 in special attack as well as defense. Instead it was the most nerfed pokemon in the split. Going from 115 Special to 73 special attack.
But again, Hypno is widely considered "good" in Gen 1
Speaking of Dewgong. A while back I showed one of my friends a picture of Dewgong and asked him "Which pokemon is this, Seel or Dewgong" and he got it wrong. That entire line is so amazingly forgettable.
Always found Dewgong to be adorable. I'm hoping it gets an evolution one day. Hopefully one that's as deadly as Annihilape.
Thanks for making these kind of videos!
I'm working on a Pokemon Colosseum remake and I WILL implement all these changes into it.
I smashed the like button on your videos and subbed on your channel.
I think parasect should have much more hp, because it's mushroom is not only massive, but it also managed to still cling to life even with it
With spore, rage powder and dry skin Parasect (briefly) was relevant in competitive pokemon about 10 years ago when rain was permanent which is very fun
The issue with Onix is, that it serves as the first boss monster in the first game. Giving it better stats in said game could've ended up being too difficult for new players. Still no excuse for why it's still shit tho
*Onix:* Despite my awareness of Onix's beginner tutorial role, I feel it could have been way more powerful. In Gen 1, I would increase its Attack from 45 to 70. It might seem harsh for Charmander's trainers and those who play Yellow at first, but it not only makes more sense for its colossal design but also reinforces its own purposes to make people rely more on decreasing stats moves instead of spamming Special moves brainlessly. Besides, this buff isn't that much since Onix's Attack is still lower than Geodude and the AI could have been programmed for focusing more (or uniquely) on Bide rather than Tackle.
After Gen 2 Special split, I would also improve Onix's Special Defense from 45 to 100 for another educational purpose. Although Steelix would have significantly lower Sp.Def, the metalic snake would have still been a more reliable Special wall due to the fact its distribution stats and combination type are better. It helps casual trainers to realize how it is important to analyse the whole context instead of looking at one single aspect.
*Seaking:* 450 BST for a horny fish is good enough. It's higher than likes of Fearow, Marowak and Haunter, it owns good Attack and pretty decent Special bulk for its niche. Not every Pkmn is supposed to be in the top of chain and Seaking is one of these. Perhaps change its type (Water/Normal) to cause extra damage with likes of Return, Body Slam and such, but the same could have been argued for Kingler and it seems rather unnecessary. You have a point to make Goldeen available earlier though. Apart from it, Seaking is fine as it is.
*Arbok:* Transform this snake into a sort of tank doesn't really suit with its design. Just like Seaking, Arbok's BST is fine for its own purpose. However, I would fix its signature move. Glare would have 100% accuracy while Thunder Wave could have been 90%. It might have given Arbok something really unique back then, similar to what happen to Parasect (as bad as it is). In Gen 2, Arbok should definitely have been retconned as a Poison/Dark, just like Magnemite/Magneton as Electric/Steel. Along with its good movepool, it would have improved Arbok in a organic way.
*Hypno:* Even though Alakazam was usually the first choice for pure non-legendary Psychic Pkmns in Gen 1, Hypno was not mediocre. He was way bulkier than his rival and owned a pretty good arsenal to work well as a annoyer, as a nice screen setter, sleeping inducer, paralysis/poison spreader etc. Besides, before Special split in GSC, Hypno had 115 Special Attack, hitting harder than ever. That being said, a good start for Hypno's improvement is not to diminish his Special Attack so much (90 SpAtt and 500 BST, slightly higher than Alakazam). To be honest, Hypno fits as a better Special Attacker than Mr.Mime, who still remained with 100 Sp.Att.
*Parasect:* I don't see Parasect with Attack stats even higher than Tauros or Defense as good as Blastoise. Too forced! I know it seems cruel to the bug, but its distribution stats seem natural as it is. Although Bug/Grass combines with it, I believe Ghost/Grass also suits very well here. After all, the bug itself is dead and becomes a zumbi (Ghost) controlled by a fungus (Grass). It kills two birds with one stone, because it adds another Ghost type in Gen 1 and gives a better niche for Grass types back then.
I love Seaking… but I have an affinity for fish. I try to go through the games with mostly water Pokémon, like a misty role player.
I think it would be fun if hypno got a unique ability to cause a yawn effect on the opponents Pokemon (might have to be one slot to slightly balance it). It’d be broken but it being a lacklustre Pokémon stat-wise would stop it from breaking the game
About Dewgong personnally I'd make it faster. The only thing it has going for it over other water/ice types is that it's tied with cloyster for being the fastest. I'd also buff its special attack over its physical attack, first of all because it's more usable given its typing and movepool also because I think its suits its more graceful vibe compared to Walrein. Its bulk is actually completely fine, it's very similar to clefable's which I don't think I have to specify is well enough, it just need a buff to ice typing and some more useable abilities. For its movepool I'd add moonblast, dazzling gleam, extrasensory, flip turn, megahorn and the elemental fangs.
Personally I've always liked Dewgong, it's very simple but got a very mysterious vibe, it sort of reminds me of Vaporeon, Milotic or Dragonair in some aspects. For
But if you made parasect a bug ghost type it wouldn't be immune to powder-based moves like spore because it has a literal mushroom on its back
As a Dewgong fan from a young age (I had a narwhal obsession and it was the closest thing to one I could find in Pokemon), I like your changes a lot! They were honestly more generous than I would have been, Horn Leech and Earthquake feel like stretches to me lol. I feel weird about making it a physical attacker, but there are about 10000 special water types and Dewgong isn't going to suddenly get something they all don't that's going to make it useful in any tier, so I understand. I personally would go mixed attacker, as its got a fat body that I could see doing some damage, but it also feels more like a special attacker, so I'd say combine the two. And on the topic of mons not feeling special enough for exclusive abilities- I don't think a mon's specialness matters. If its got something in its lore that could be a cool ability, I don't see why it couldn't get that, even if its just a route 1 rat or a lategame mon with mediocre stats. And hey, if you don't feel like making Frigid Frenzy, give it Slush Rush! (I know you're not actually making a game with these changes, that's just how I phrased it)
Thank you for making such quality pkm content. I always watch your videos and it's about time a subscribe. Good on you! 👍
Seaking is an old fav of mine. Ever since the ancient "FUCK YEAH SEAKING" meme.
I remember that. Seaking's only moment of fame
Believe or not I had a Seaking.
I caught a Goldeen and evolved it at 33. I didn't know it was so bad.
Before the physical-special split, it was really bad. But I think it's passable for a playthrough now
I haven’t forgotten Dewgong! You will shine one day!
I feel like a lot of people probably used seaking back in 2007 when 'fuck yeah seaking' was a meme
Once Onix got body-press, he became a sneaky knowledge-check sweeper with eviolite. (320 base damage provided you can outspeed or survive a switch in.)
Crazy how Onix has such low stats you would think by gen 8 all these guys would've had a buff to me more useful.
To be fair, having spore and false swipe on Parasect in Gen 2 make it one of the best pokemon for catching.
I had considered giving Onix the Scyther treatment. Make it have the same base states as Steelix, but differently distributed.
Adjustments to Onix:
+30 to HP, Attack, and Speed
+15 to Special
This gives you:
HP: 65 (S is 75)
Atk: 75 (S is 85)
Def: 160 (S is 200)
Spc: 45 (S is 55/65) (This is also Onix’s Sp Def stat in later gens)
Speed: 100 (S is 30)
Also, with Eviolite. Holy cow!
"Gen 1 not having dark types"
Yes that was because they didnt exist yet
But even after gen 1 kanto doesnt have any dark types
Seaking’s only claim to true fame is being in a DurhamRockerZ King of the Hill YTP
Great video, agree with many of the proposed changes. Personally, I love the idea of a Dewgong evolution. Probably the best fix possible.
giving magcargo desolate land and shell smash would be pretty funny
Dewgong would probably benefit from an evolution becoming faster and more offensive to differentiate it more as a Water/Ice type, and in-keeping with its sleeker and more elegant design.
So I'd make a Dewgong evolution the following:
Type: Water/Ice
Abilities: Thick Fat/Hydration
Hidden Ability: Slush Rush
HP: 90 -> 95
Attack: 70 -> 110
Defence: 80 -> 85
Special Attack: 70
Special Defence: 95 -> 100
Speed: 70 -> 85
Total: 545
I would add Earthquake to its moveset for some Ground coverage, Megahorn, Flip Turn, Liquidation, Swords Dance, Crunch, Healing Wish, Icicle Crash, Play Rough, Knock Off and maybe some support moves like Aurora Veil, Light Screen, Reflect, Haze, Tickle, Wish and Healing Wish since it still has a more elegant, supportive look. Dewgong is odd since it looks like it could be a blend of both archetypes. Oh and I'd throw Mind Reader in there for the lolz.
hypno was far from being one of the worst pokemon in gen 1
in the RBY tradebacks meta he's the 2nd best pokemon in the entire game, having access to amnesia and elemental punches for coverage
It also had its Special Defense treated as its Special stat so it was monstrous as it was. Without tradebacks, it was outclassed by Alakazam and arguably Kadabra too due to lacking Recover in its movepool.
I mean I have to throw some support for parasect. In original gen 1, it was the only pokemon that could 1v1 down mewtwo at level 100 with consistent reliability. It could tank a hit, spore, growth, leech life to victory. Back then, everyone opened with mewtwo in 1998-00, and I genuinely won several live tournaments with a parasect opener
I wish Onix wasn't left behind. I actually used one in a Red nuzlocke, and it's one of my favorite Pokémon.
For Arbok though, cobras as well as many snakes can strike their prey lighting fast. Less speed, why not, but give him a talent that prioritizes Poison moves as a trade off (poison is resisted by enough types to not make it broken, and steel, a popular type, is even immune to it)
At least they gave Dewgong some buffs in Gen 9, especially with how Ice types gotten some huge improvements.
Parasect doesn't make much sense about it being grass type considering grass types are usually plants and mushrooms are separate from plants
But litteraly every fungo pokemon is grass type. I think its less gamefreak being innacurate and more a situation that the type can make sense with both especies, so a bit of generalization dont hurt that much (atleast in concept)
@@dingola_Let go.
Ok, you should be realistically be able to confirm a mons type based on appearance.
...Let the devs cook.
Idk. I said this than remembered same ones gave Bruno 2 Onix...
For Onix, I was thinking about the following changes:
HP: 65 (+30)
Ark: 75 (+30)
Def: 125 (-35)
Satk, Sdef, Spd: unchanged.
Steelix should get these changes as well, so that his Ark sits at a respectable base 115 instead of an underwhelming base 85.
I really like most of your revisions except for Parasect, though I wouldn't know what I'd do with it.
The idea of making the Onix-Steelix relationship the same as Scyther-Scizor-Kleavor is one I hadn't heard before and I think it makes a lot of sense. In every type of media Onix is in it's portrayed as this big and imposing monster so your changes make sense. I think keeping the Rock Head and Weak Armor abilities make sense with this new offensive Onix though.
I don't really have any opinions on Seaking, I think it just really needs an evolution to spice up the 'Koi/Goldfish with Horn' design.
Your Arbok changes make sense and I fully agree with the Dark secondary typing, it already learns so many dark moves too.
I used Hypno in a Yellow playthrough and enjoyed having it a lot. The extra Dark typing again makes sense and I like Prankster as an ability. Though if Hypno gets Prankster I'd knock off another 10 speed to make it 40 and give it to it's attack. This way it gets priority Trick Room and it's a better speed for in Trick Room, and it keeps the even attacking stats so it has a good reason to keep using that great physical movepool it has. Just give Hypno Bulk Up too and you can run a truly astounding amount of sets.
I truly love Dewgong and I think it's because it kinda has the same vibe as Dragonite in that it just seems happy to be your friend. It's honestly a shame it was introduced in the same gen as Lapras and then completely overshadowed by Walrein.
It honestly needs an evolution like Seaking and I'd focus more on it's elegant fins in contrast to bulky Lapras and Walrein and play up it's horn more like you said.
What it also really needs (besides an evolution) is some sort of set-up move since it has none now.