Why Doesn't King Cold Transform?
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- Is he stupid?
A note on Frieza's race's hypothesized asexual reproduction: the notes from the below referenced translated interview indicate that it is unclear whether or not they literally meant Frieza was born only by his father, or if they meant his traits were inherited solely from his father.
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As if Trunks would have granted his enemy the opportunity to Transform if he could stop him. He hates fun.
The one sayian that don’t take chances and have a embarrassing moment of pride 😂
Cough* goku, vegeta, gohan!
Trunks wouldn’t know he could to stop it
To be fair, if we assume the same thing happened with Trunks trying to stop Cell from becoming perfect after absorbing 18, Trunks probably couldn’t stop Cold from transforming. Trunks, despite being stronger than Semi Perfect Cell, was unable to stop him from becoming Perfect. Same thing could apply with King Cold transforming into his hypothetical final form.
@@ultimate_capper3643The reason he couldn't stop semi perfect cell from absorbing 18 was because of Vegeta.
@@rsync9490 The scenario you talked about happened before the scenario I was describing in my original comment. Yes, Vegeta did initially prevent Trunks from stopping Cell, but Trunks blasted him away and went back to stopping Cell. However, Cell used a Solar Flare and while Trunks was stunned, he absorbed 18. After Trunks recovered, he tried attacking Cell, but to no avail.
Here's how I see it: Cold didn't transform because he was so convinced that Trunk's power came from that sword.
Yea I believe he just an idiot king and thought Trunk's sword that strong
you're absolutely correct. to King Cold Trunks is a "lowly monkey" after all and was very arrogant and very ignorant when it came to their power gap. to King Cold, there is no way a Saiyan would have such power. only Frieza feared it and rightly so especially when he feared that a super Saiyan could eventually become a god and what greater powers could be beyond it, after all he feared that a super Saiyan god could be on Beerus' level or above it. King Cold on the other hand was just an ignorant mf who underestimated Trunks and let himself become arrogant and has an obvious superiority complex and a lot of racism towards Saiyans
He thought it was the Z sword.
@@SCHMALLZZZ probably
@@SCHMALLZZZtrunks sword definitely is better than z sword
Given the amount of powerful artifacts in Dragon Ball, Kold's assumption about Trunk's sword isn't bad in itself, it possibly could have been some kind of magical sword from his perspective, he just got it wrong is all.
I mean it is a magical artifact. I know it's not Canon, but technically got the sword from Tapion lol.
Not entirely unreasonable when you frame it that way. Maybe he figured it was just a sword that can cut through anything.
King Cold is an arrogant and ignorant being who's racism and superiority complex made him assume no Saiyan could ever best him without some cheap trick like a magic sword
@@fangslore9988 Somewhat true, Kold did look down on them, though up to that point in time there was absolutely no president for him to think a saiyan could be that strong barring some old obscure legend.
I'd call his attitude more akin to "Speciesism" than racism, but regardless, such attitudes toward a species like the Saiyans who themselves had an equally massive superiority complex and wanted to conquer, enslave and drown the the galaxy in blood is basically just the pot insulting the kettle. Frieza and Kold got what they deserved, and so did the Saiyans. Both sides were rotten to the core, the saiyans simply drew the short straw.. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Frieza or Kold wiped out their own species for being inferior to themselves since both of them were asexually reproducing unnaturally powerful mutant off-shoots of their own kind.
@@dreadrath *Cold
but you are correct. there was never any way for King Cold to even consider this warrior race a true threat, none of them even came close to rivaling his true power or even his first form if he ever chose to assume it, and the whole idea of a super Saiyan to him was little more than just a legend. none existed and none would ever exist as far as he was concerned as to him it was little more than a legend concocted by primitives and only Frieza truly feared the legends. but Frieza did get his just deserts but he back in black
I honestly think that Cold doesn’t care to bother to correct his son when he mentions that he’s the strongest being in the universe. Especially when they’re both aware of Manjin Buu and Beerus.
Yes, but this is obviously before either Majin Buu or Beerus were even thought of as concepts in Toriyama's mind.
I don’t think that you could use characters that were thought up later in the story and apply past statements to them as if they’ve always existed. By this logic Vegeta should be stronger than anyone because he claimed he was in the saiyan saga, despite the fact that he was basically Frieza’s b*tch.
Toriyama wasn't aware of Majin Buu or even Cell at that time, because when he was making Dragon Ball, he mostly made the story up as he went along, only planning certain things a couple chapters ahead of time, and the Android/Cell Saga was notoriously rife with editorial meddling. And Beerus wasn't even a notion until Dragon Ball's original run had been over for more than fifteen years.
@@jruler93 Cool, but we are talking about IN UNIVERSE, NOT REAL WORLD SHENANIGANS
Cold doesn’t correct him because Freeza>King Cold and at the time Freeza was the strongest in the universe bar Goku (and as they master found out Trunks). It’s not that hard.
It makes sense why the guy with a superiority complex would choose to stay in the form that's the biggest. His ego led him to want that form so he could tower over and scare everyone, despite how inconvenient that form his, he barely fits in the spaceship and has to be uncomfortable in ships/houses. Frieza is confident he's the strongest so who cares how short he is in 1st form, nobody could beat him so he was secure looking that small
Trunks would still one shot him lol
I remember from an interview that Toryiama said that for the frieza family the offsprings are always stronger than the father in the same age and that they can adapt their body also to improve their combat abilities (proven by the golden and the black form). This fact in my personal theory means also that they can have a different final form than their ancestors due to an adaptation of their body: even if cold resembles freezer’s second form his body isn’t complete armored for example (looking at face, arms and legs) and meanwhile freezer’s transformation focus on energy using and speed (gradually larging and removing the armor), cold’s body probably focused on brute strength and resistance keeping part of the armor and making the real body underneath bigger in his final form.
Bingo, but that would require people to actually do research, while this has been explained before
thats not how it works, their final form isn't a power up stage its their original form, the other forms are restraint forms to power down, for frieza's race its reverse to saiyans
@@fangslore9988 The original commenter didn't contradict that, he said they ALSO have power up forms proven by golden and black frieza
@@DioLT true though some have argued about it LMAO in the end Toriyama just wanted Cold and Frieza to finally be killed without them being a credible threat to the android and cell arc but also in the Manga it is never stated King Cold was weaker than Frieza
@@fangslore9988 I don't really know, I was just pointing out what they were saying. I always thought King Cold was stronger because Frieza mentions that he was the only one able to hurt him, but just didn't get how strong Trunks was and poof no one should care about that anymore xD power levels in anime in general are so inconsistent I stopped caring about it long ago
Butter said he was the fastest in universe when Ginyu Frieza and Cold existed. So maybe Frieza claiming to be the strongest isn’t too much of a long shot
Lol, I think Vegeta also said he was the strongest, back during the Saiyan saga… but I don’t recall if that’s in the manga too or just English dub anime.
@@lovesgibsonthe villains say a lot of things, king piccolo said he was going to take over the universe, cell said he could make a spirit bomb, Majin Buu told them he was going to turn them into chocolate and eat them, sometimes villains say things that they can't prove
@@rockk9753then come this green haired madman speaking like a caveman and making loud noises. The heck were all these villains thinking when they talk?
@@dokidoki5850 most of them are probably thinking "oh yeah look at me I'm so edgy and evil", "Broly was most likely thinking"wahraaharhaharhghgahghaa"
At one point even Cell was called a God of Destruction (I'm not sure about the manga though since it was just in the anime title). I don't think many claims are that reliable.
How about Cold, as an elder member of his race, has achieved a state where he can maintain his full power in the form he likes the most. He probablly likes to live in his second form, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s weaker because of it.
Maybe but he's the 2nd weakest member of his race canon or non canon. At least out of the named members
honestly? i’m convinced the form we see him in is his last and only form. From what we saw, members of Frieza's race have a different number of transformations, and the ones they create are customizable, (notably, with training Frieza developed evolutions, which had colors of his choice, endorsing the fact they got the ability to choose how their forms will look). Although the rest of characters, cooler included are not canon, they all understood the principle that they didn’t necessarily have the same forms as Frieza. With Cooler having only his base and his transformation.
"He wasn't cool enough."
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I think he just under estimated Trunks.
grossly so after all Trunks is a "lowly monkey" and in his dealings Saiyans have never been a threat or even close to his power. King Cold also values appearances since his armour was as regal as it could be without sacrificing functionality being it was gold trimmed and with a luxurious cape with gold fasteners, so his second form gave him an imposing presence
true, also the transformations literally take forever (going by how long it takes Frieza to transform in the anime). Cooler pretty much just gambled on the fact that the sword was how he was beating Frieza. Cost him his life though.
@@ishowslow5044 King Cold would never have survived his attempt at transforming plus he underestimated Trunks assuming the source of his power was the sword. King Cold was both Ignorant and arrogant
@@fangslore9988 Pretty much
@@ishowslow5044 King Cold dug his own grave and pretty much paid the hangman to take his life when fighting trunks as well as hired the reaper to take his soul to hell with the sheer stupidity he possessed
I like to think King Cold is as strong as final form Frieza, but he just likes to be big and intimidating, and don’t really care to show power when he can just get things going with fraction of the power.
That part where you said The legend of the super sayian NEVER BOTHERD him speaks volumes about how confident he was in his powers especially when frieza stated his father told him there was only 2 beings to avoid at all cost and that was BUU and Berrus
I really like your editing and videostyle! I also believe that Cold hasn't seen much combat and just believed the sword to hold the key to victory.
Great video. Feels good to see a Dragon Ball video with someone that has their head and their shoulder and actually considers the narrative. Definitely subscribing
toriyama had issues with consistency so i'm going to say cold had more forms and they never got used.
its also likely Toriyama didn't want a frieza saga 2.0, he probably wanted frieza and Cold to be dusted but the easy explenation was he simply assumed Trunks had a magic sword and without it a lowly monkey could never beat him even in his second form
Yes he did but just because he did sometimes doesn’t mean you can stick that logic here. Cold was already in his final / natural form. Freiza created forms cause he couldn’t control his power. That’s not something every member of his race does ( cooler isn’t canon but even he wasn’t doin that ). Cold was weaker then frieza it’s stated in all guides, if he could transform he would have after seeing someone stronger then him get turned to butter
@@0vern9K please note that Toriyama when talking about Frieza said that Frieza's final form was his people's original form and that the previous transformations were all restraint forms to limit his power logic dictates that this extends to King Cold as well, and its also worth pointing out in the Manga Frieza never said he was stronger than his father, and there's in inconsistency in the anime english dub which is the only place its stated that King Cold's power was equal to frieza's when the Z-fighters sensed their approach
remember the anime you watch on screen isn't canon it is its own continuity. plus what Toriyama said about frieza's transformations and knowing that King Cold was only in his 2nd form and not his original form, its likely King Cold was much more powerful then frieza. King Cold also didn't transform because he underestimated Trunks and it was confirmed that King Cold assumed Trunks wielded the Z-sword which King Cold knew of and knew that the legends say it could cut anything in the universe including the gods (though the legend is untrue)
@@fangslore9988 Freiza and cold are mutants even to their race of own people. Meaning they have completely different genes then others. There gonna differ from other members of their people. Which will effect appearance
There quite literally a new species from their people
@@fangslore9988 also, that’s the English dub. The z fighters don’t state that no where in the Jap sub. We all know the Japanese sub is the most accurate of any anime that’s just how it works. And naw it’s still cannon to the manga…
TBH I think this is just a case of fans assuming that King Cold can transform to increase his power. Frost seems to only use the suppressions because he wanted his real power to remain a secret while Freeza used his suppressions due to being bad at controlling his power. It seems like after resurrection of F, Freeza chooses to remain in his final form (probably because he learned to utilize his power properly and doesn't need the suppressions anymore). By the time of the Tournament of Power, Freeza and Frost both show up in their final forms to start. If I had to guess, even IF King Cold can also transform, he's probably already at full power. Then again, he might not be able to transform and Frost/Freeza both can simply because they are alternate universe versions of each other so to speak.
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I like the DB Multiverse idea that unlike Freezer who is a prodigy he cant control his Full Power,i mean remember tha not even Frieza was confident of this before going to his final form
Fuck DB multiverse. They promote some of the most garbage fan ideas, like Cell being able to defeat Dabura's spit by ripping his head off... That's just stupid and doesn't make sense.
Anyway, it doesn't make sense because Frieza himself stated that the reason why he transformed to less states was because he couldn't control his full power in his true form...
@@TheMissingLink2 I know DB Multiverse has a lot of problems, it's too gory at times adn it's not greatly written and sometimes they redo a character weirdly like Vegetto and how did that change of what i said?If Freezer wasn't sure to control his 100% and in fact he couldn't only controling his 75% it would make sense for Cold to control even less,maybe even 1% explaining why he stays in 2nd Suppression wich is 100 times Weaker than 100%,also tbh the Cell thing isn't dumb cux maybe it shouldn't be done but we do know hogh regen being high powered can regenerate from only their heads like Piccolo did and Cell only needs his core however a better snswer would be to evaporate the stone parts before it spread if you dont like severe gore that much.
2:54 - 2:57 ish, i'm sure seeing king cold gave Krillin HARDCORE Namek PTSD given how Freiza impaled Krillin and told him to "yeehaw, ride it bucko!" lmao
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I’m still looking for that game 😭😭 but great video and new sub 🔥💯
2:22 Something I find interesting here : As someone pointed out to me, this moment (that I believe might be in the anime too but I don’t remember) implies that Frieza did train, with his father no less, before the Super retcon about him never training and having just that big of a potential.Just wanted to mention that.
And another thing that goes with what you were saying about Frieza being in fact the strongest here, with Cold not correcting him, this kind of further makes them knowing about Beerus and Buu incoherent.
Cold is the King. In true Kingly fashion he would think transforming is below him especially in front of the help.
Doesn't make sense. Freeza is referred to as "Lord" or "Freeza-sama" so why would he think of transforming? That logic makes no sense.
Maybe Cold didn't have proper Ki control like Frieza and Cooler did so it's possible that he didn't know how to revert back to his true power, either that or he just couldn't control his full power which would explain why he and the others need augmented transformations to suppress their power.
I'm afraid that snowglobe understood that the beverage was just too much
Good breakdown man!
Considering that frost has similar transformations to frieza, it’s safe to assume that king cold is in his 2nd form
maybe he is already in his final form.
@@SuCKeRPunCH187 he might be, but considering dbz and super with frost, he’s probably in his 2nd form
agreed, as it would be biologically consistent
I'm betting Cold's 2nd form *is* his final form. Members of the Frieza race don't necessarily have to have the same amount of forms each. Frieza and Cold are mutants after all, probably Frost is one too.
@@DamonDraven all evidence would suggest otherwise its a restraint form based on the idea that all the restraint forms are specifically a feature of their biology similar to how goku and the other saiyans on earth all have the same transformations except the god ones, its biological since frieza's final form is the original form of their entire race, Frieza and Cold being mutants only means that they were born with massive amounts of ki compared to possible members of their race elsewhere in the galaxy. just like how Broly is technically a Saiyan mutant
Because he can't. That's his Final form. This was already shown on multiple times in multiple Shonen Jump magazines.
Frieza is a Mutated version, similar to Broly.
Whoever replies, don't start with a non-canon Cooler, that's dumb argument.
great vid! suggestion: is cell a super saiyan?
If Cold had 2 transformations and got the same boost as freiza he’d be around as strong as 17 and 18 easily in a final form which mean trunks, goku or Vegeta or done for. There wouldn’t be a way to write him out for the android saga
I mean, other than the EXTREMELY obvious answer of 'Goku and Vegeta know better than to let a frieza family member transform'. Trunks just has no chill and wouldn't let them sit there and power up regardless.
@@jtnachos16 well Freiza tansfromations are not like normal ones. He does not get to his base form until his final form so you really cant stop him from going into it. The lower forms are just mask. Cold could just put up a ki barror like cell while his body changes and trunks wold not get through. If he really could transform trunks gave him penty of time to do it. Anyway with the sword thing.
@@JJJJ-he8bz That sure sounds like a lot of headcanon there, given Frieza is SHOWN taking time to transform during Namek saga. As well as assuming he could 'just put up a ki barrier'. The only time I remember ever seeing 'ki barriers' are from Gero's androids, SPECIFICALLY those with the infinite engines. Which CELL didn't have until after absorbing 17. That's not an option for King Cold. It is entirely likely that even if he COULD and INTENDED to transform, he wouldn't be given the time to. Do keep in mind, Future timeline Goku killed Frieza and King cold, as Trunk's changes to timeline didn't occur until AFTER King Cold accompanying Frieza to earth was locked in. This implies that either King Cold magically found a sword to give to Goku so he could claim it was magic, or that he didn't get a chance to transform there either. Or alternatively, that he couldn't transform. Meanwhile EVERY member of Frieza's race, both in canon sources and non, has been able to transform.
A lot more evidence on hand for 'King Cold just didn't consider it until it was too late'.
@@jtnachos16 And what the guy said in the video, Cold being weaker also makes much more sense.
But I disagree with you. Goku and Vegeta would, 1000%, let Cold reach his final form. Just look at Freeza and Cell.
Trunks, however, wouldn't.
@@gustavolopes5094 Uh, no. Goku wouldn't. Not after the experience with Frieza. VEGETA, on the other hand, absolutely would.
Goku let Frieza power up further for the same reason Gohan played around with Cell instead of just wiping him out. They were enraged and not thinking, although in both cases their rage ran cold, which is arguably MORE dangerous.
Missed a massive opportunity for the thumbnail to point at king cold and say “is he stupid?”
Cold underestimated Trunks and thought he only beat Frieza because of the sword, then died too quick to transform.
I think a good way for a King Cold Theory like that to work is if like Frieza he had never trained before or had just remained in his second form to a point where (Where similar to Ressurection F Gohan) is unable to advance due to being so out of shape.
It also would make sense why King Cold handed over his empire to Frieza if only because Frieza has surpassed Cold in power. Cold probably knew his days were numbered with his ambitious child if he stayed in command.
It took freiza an entire arc and a near death experince to understand using his full power at the start
Good explanation
Answer: *Trunks gets shit done*
one thing missing is that Friezas race canonically produces "bios-suits" effectively growing their own clothing, which combined with changing in size is effectively all this transformation is, its also implied these arent universal, but are rather customizable(as frieza states he intentionally made his new form golden and the fact friezas family are stated to be abnormally strong mutants so normal members of the species would just use them as clothes rather then using it as effectively weighted training clothes like the royal family does) this means its far more likely that rather then both being the second stage, Frieza merely modeled his second form after his fathers default form to give it a kingly appearance, this also makes sense why his first form is basically just a mini-me version of it, since its the form he is in most often he wants it to have that royal vibe the commands respect but also wants it closer to his original form in size as its likely more comfortable for him(and convenient to fit threw small doors and into his little pod), this customization logic also fits with his third and fourth forms, his third form is normally as strong as he will get with any opponent, so its designed to be monstrous and intimidating because he enjoys watching his opponents crumble in fear, while his final forms biosuit is simple and sleek to not hinder his movements at all and is chosen purely for fashion
which yes it is implied his "final form" is not actually his true form, in appearance anyway, his true form seems to be the pink bits you can see in his earlier forms and when hes younger(so imagine first form frieza without the "helmet" this is backed up by the fact he seems to wear actual pants in these forms, implying he has actual exposed genitalia that need to be covered
He just hadnt the time to do so
If you consider trunks destroyed freezer in one second he knew his only chnace is talk arround. Which also didnt work of course
Cold should’ve brought his Ray gun. Caught them both lackin’
My speculation is that a contributing factor to Cold not transforming is because of his appearance, a trait Freeza might have inherited from him. Freeza hates the fact that his base form is so short as he worries about his troops not taking him as seriously because of it, and might even feel somewhat juvenile because of it. It's to the point where after he gave up on immortality his immediate next wish he wanted to make on the Dragon Balls was to make himself taller. One of his henchmen even questions him why he doesn't just power down into his 2nd form like his father did.
As such, my speculation is that Cold had the same insecurity that he would have then passed onto his son. His 2nd form is simply just bigger, broader, and taller. It gives him an intimidating and imposing figure befitting a space emperor as opposed to his other forms that are too small, short, or monstrous looking.
Cold: Ah! so the sword makes the man
As I know, his father is unable to transform anymore, that is his max power form. His power is much lower than his son freezer.
ho he could still transform but he was arrogant and ignorant, he has suffered no rivals and each of the transformations other than golden aren't power ups they transform in reverse, the final form is the original form and they transformed to restrain and power down. King cold was underutilized and never got to fight so its likely he simply underestimated trunks and his power in universe where out of universe Toriyama didn't want a frieza saga 2.0 since it was the start of the android and cell arc so he needed to quickly tie off loose ends that were cell and King Cold
This is what I believe as well. There is no reason to believe he has another form, what we see IS his final form. Simple as that.
@@Bingo_the_Pug I think there's even less reason to believe he doesn't have another form. Both Frost and Cooler have final forms similar to Frieza, so why wouldn't his own father?
Because sons are usually superior to their dads.
And cold was an arrogant fool. It's not like frieza ever trained. All he did was suppress his power and divide it over his forms. Cold clearly didn't care to do that
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@@davisbowe8668cooler isn’t canon and frost is frieza’s doppleganger none of this proves cold can transform.
Was it ever stated in the anime/manga that Frieza's final form was his species' true form. Cause I remember him saying in his second form that he still had two more transformations left.
I'm asking because if they had been treated as transformations, then we can just assume Cold was too old or he didn't have enough power like his son to go beyond his current form.
He was quicker than Frieza at realizing that Trunks was no joke, so you'd think he would have transformed if he had the ability to do so.
Toryama probably didn’t think of cold at that time
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I assumed he was just doing the Gohan tek and levelling his base form
King Cold was fodder. You see your son get destroyed by a Super Saiyan with ease even after you knew how strong your son was, plus the enhancements to his body made him even stronger, and you didn’t immediately take on your strongest form the minute you saw that? Yeah. He was a damn fool
Given that supressed forms exist at all they probably have the ability to make there own forms and Colds form is probably just a form similar to his final in power but with the appearance of the second form. A side grade sort of situation.
Could be possible that he simply can't.
Gold and Black Frieza is exactly the same thing. He just changed the colour.😂
i believe cold being in the second form is just for making him look huge and scarier and it doesnt have to anything with his power, freeza also stated agaisnt goku that if it wasnt for him goku would be the strongest in the universe
Totally agree on the intimidation factor. The video was getting a bit bloated with speculation so I left this out, but Freeza's henchman Kikono suggests he should use his second form to look taller. This implies that Cold may have used similar reasoning back in the day. It literally makes no difference which form he's in when the next highest power level is ~120,000 range, so might as well pick the form you prefer the look of.
The dialogue between characters on Namek making out that Freeza is the defacto ruler I think could be explained by Toriyama not thinking that far ahead.
From what Radits says in Z, I got the idea that Sayians are doing what they do without input outside. Then we find out Freeza's to blame.
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King Cold is past his prime or had his fun back in his generation. He will just be Duke Cold acting as an advisor?
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final form cold would literally just fall down from stress alone.
even if king cold can transform.
so literally trunks would've still killed him.
Who's to say that he isn't already in his final form?!
Frieza got older and said I ain’t hiding NOTHING I want them to feel me coming no diddy
The only person that makes sense during the great cold debate😂
In Cold's defense he COULD still be stronger than Freeza (up to a point). I don't think that people fearing Freeza more than his father is an accurate indicator of power. I personally think it all comes down to how they both operate as rulers. King Cold seems like the type of person who would rather sweet talk and manipulate others in order to have his way. Freeza on the other hand seems less calculating and reserved than his father and is prone to destroying entire planets on a whim. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Freeza seems to lean more towards using brute force far more often than his dad which would explain why more people would be afraid of Freeza then Cold since Freeza uses unnecessary force to get his way and is even known to kill his own men just because he feels like it. It's honestly no surprise that people would fear such a person far more then the guy that would rather sit you down and talk to you before deciding on whether leaving you alive or not is more beneficial for him.
I wish we could have seen King Cold in a real fight!
I think the answer is the same as why Frieza didn't go into battle at form 4 from the start: transformations are uncomfortable and energy consuming and they typically use the lowest form they think they're going to need to beat an opponent. This of course becomes a huge problem when they do what Cold did here: underestimate an opponent to such an extent that they can one-shot you in that form.
cold in future trunks timeline probably show goku and the other z fighters that he was more cruel than his son after he transformed
I don’t remember where I heard it but I swear it was mentioned that frieza modeled his second form off of his father, and most secondary material shows cold being a big coward so
Just imagine King Cold's final form (I think the same of Cooler, 1 more than Frieza). I think it would have been even more powerful than Perfect Cell at that time.
I think he didn't transform both for plot reasons (otherwise no one would have beaten him, especially in that period, when Goku SSJ1 wasn't even able to beat Android N. 17 and 18, before training) and for the fact that he believed that the secret of Trunks' power was his sword.
Here is an idea: the Frieza race form cap level is based on total strength. So those weaker than Frieza may have a base form that looks like one of Frieza's lower forms. The higher forms only being the bases for the stronger members of his race like Frieza. This would be in contrast to the SSJ in two ways: SSJ forms increase the base power, and they act as multipliers instead of fixed levels.
Of course this runs into the issue of golden Frieza but that is a special thing conceived of decades after his arc was originally completed.
I do actually really like this debate.
There are so many factors to consider. Frieza is in his 50% form but that doesn't mean he is anywhere close to 50%, also he is more then half mechanical now. That makes him stronger then before but how much does his sensible power get reduced? If he is half gone does that mean his actual ki is halved now?
Does Cold even have another form? Yes frieza looks very different in his final form but its been implied that forms don't mean that much to them. At least the golden form is told to us to be golden because that is what frieza wanted it to be. Its not like a sayian transformation where they have no control over the appearance and can only transform to increase power.
You could argue that we know the suppression transformations are standard because frost is the same, but you could say he is supposed to basically be a alternate version of frieza so he is special. That are you can look at how they also forgot that there is a massive difference between unlocking ssj and mastering it in terms of power during this time to and just state that none of the material here reflects on the pasts arcs at all
"Frieza is in his 50% form but that doesn't mean he is anywhere close to 50%, " That doesn't make sense but Frieza's was using half of his raised power so his cybernetics stay on.
Maybe his 3rd and final form is so fast he can't see what he's doing.
Since i was a kid i've always assumed that King Cold was always in his final form. There is no canon confirmation that he was on his 2nd form, King Cold is only stated to be in his 2nd form in games.
Because King Cold cannot, that's the fact of the matter. He simply could not alter his form like Frieza can and his appearance is of his choosing.
king cold symply didn't knew how to transform: in the first cooler movie, cooler himself stated the changeling race can keep their power in check by turning into a weaker form BUT ! , cooler also stated that changelings don't know how to turn back to their original form, they have to learn that through training or in freeza's case just by beeing super talented. in king cold's case its simply a case that he didn't learned yet how to go back to his original form.
0:10 What scene is that from?
Dbz broly movie
Key point here: If both King Cold and Frieza never trained, are both asexual and so have very similar genetics, and both had very similar power levels when Frieza was mecha, I can only conclude King Cold was already in his final form, perhaps was stronger than Frieza due to being older and having more life experience. And that his final form resembling frieza's 2nd form is simply that Frieza made it look like his father's final form. The idea that Cold would have been leaps and bounds above Frieza is a bit preposterous even though it's a cool fan theory. Because they produce asexually.
The legendary super sayain wasn't a concern to frieza until Lord beerus told him to wipe them out
Cold stay in that form because that's the only form in which he is taller than any of his other form
Its his final form, its stated that Friezas second form is a tribute to his fathers final form
in dbz kai when they approach earth z fighters are saying that they are sensing frieza and someone even stronger than frieza
Another point is that if these cybernetics can make Frieza even stronger, why did cold choose not to allow himself to be augmented as well? He clearly cares more about keeping people down than making himself more powerful. His tactics show this. He'd rather blow up the earth and be done with it. He doesn't care if people surpass him in strength, he wants to use his wit and intellect to win and play the long game. Which Frieza is the complete opposite of. Frieza put him in a bad situation where he had to play by Frieza's rules after he got defeated. If Cold was acting alone he'd have taken different courses of action to victory not requiring him to increase his strength beyond what was necessary to get the job done. He's very cold and calculated you see. Transforming is also quite painful and seems risky as well. Perhaps you could get locked in a transformation for a long period if you got sick, and so it would be wise to stay in your most preferred and comfortable form that you're able to control the best. Maybe he ate something and thus it would make it very risky to transform since he'd effectively get stomach cramp. There's probably a logical reasoning.
I always thought he stayed in his 2nd for the sake of looking intimidating due to the sheer height he has in the form, I believe being taller than Legendary Broly when you factor in the horns. If Cold doesn't care to battle or exude any force at all, why would he ever use a form that _looks_ significantly less imposing when he can retain the intimidation factor of a really deep and booming voice (complete with a hint of a British accent in the dub) and being like 10 feet tall?
Frost Demons' forms depend on their genetic potential. Their forms are actually doors opening to their limit, and their final form is their true power. King Cold's final form is what we know as second form. Freeza's final form is the fourth, short form (maybe presumably the buff one) and Coola's final form is the fifth form.
4:34 But Cold was Retire for almost 40 years(or more) up this point for this reason i don´t belive this is a good prove to Freeza be so much stronger. Like even in the context most not even see the Freeza final form, imagine the Father Final Form, is rare. I still stick with the theory hhahaahah. Even more now because the Reference of power to King Cold was Majin Boo and Beerus.
In my opinion King Cold didn't transform so as not to lose his royal mantle.
In the world of Dragon Ball, the one thing that's made absolutely crystal clear is the constant: there is always more to learn.
I mean, it’s pretty apparent why he didn’t transform… they didn’t put that much thought into whether he would transform or not there’s massive incontinuity throughout the story of Dragon Ball..
My take on this would be that freeza race choose how they want to look like. And freeza choose his 4th to be his normal look while king cold choosed the 2nd form to be his normal one. ofc this is just my take and it would seem that it doesn't work in the current canon of dbs where freeza want's to be taller. Though it's kinda weird if you think about it, bcs freeza says himself that he choose golden freeza to look like that himself.
Frieza was born in his fourth transformation. Technically that is base Frieza.
@@Gojira3445 yeah but i mean they can manipulate what is their base form
I remember in the anime dub (for what that's worth) that when the Z fighters sensed the approach of Frieza and Cold, that they said they felt Frieza and someone even stronger than him. It was at least partially implied that Cold is stronger than Frieza despite not being in his final form. If that is true, Cold would have been, hypothetically, somewhere near the level of Imperfect Cell.
Maybe the whole thing with Freeza being the top guy back then was only because we didn't know of King Cold.
Maybe Toriyama didn't think of KC at the time and didn't think "yeah, F is strong, but KC is even stronger" it could be that F was the main villain and he was the big bad guy, the most powerful being in the universe.
There's lots to discuss here.
Maybe KC wasn't Toriyama's idea, but someone told him this, how Freeza returns, better than before, with whom but his father.
Imagine if freeza now in super revived cold and cooler and make them train to get an equivalent of his black or golden form to kill goku or the sayans or something like that
That would be cool. Black freeza, black cooler, black king cold, and black frost. Black freeza alone one shots all the saiyans in their strongest forms so having 4 black frost demons is too OP and can take over the other universes and even fight god of destructions
Or maybe the reason he doesn't transform his entirely because of the energy problem Frieza has in his 100% form just much worse the any form beyond the second form takes up energy that could eventually let him win
I have a little AU of Dragon Ball, kinda like DB AF but more original and a lot different. In this AU, King Cold comes back without Frieza or any other member of his race (because it's extinct) or army (because it doesn't exist anymore) and he goes through a lot of stuff and ends up redeeming himself and after Beerus' time as a God of destruction ends... Guess who is selected as the new one.
Freezer was a mutant and abnormal amongst his race explaining all the extra transformations king cold either felt he didn’t need to transform or simply was at his limit
Akira Toriyama stated that BOTH Frieza and Cold are mutants among their race.
I always figured he couldn't go beyond his current form. Frieza and Cooler are both prodigies of their species. So it could be that they're a very rare example
Freiza was an anomaly, even for his race. He legit was just built different, and was the strongest in his clan
I'm pretty sure what we saw was already king cold final form because considering how arrogant he and his son is he wouldn't have wasted any time trying to bargain with trunks he would have immediately gave a lil speech about how strong he but he isn't a match for him and transformed
The androids arent a retcon. Its more likely that Frieza didnt know he existed. Its like when Buu showed up and Frieza got scared. There are stroger fighters but theyre either dead or he doesnt know then yet
I always wished people would call his final form, instead, his true form.
I think it's as simple as:
Frieza is Colds son, and, being the next generation, had evolved new forms, beyond what Cold had.
It has nothing to do with power levels or laziness. He is just more evolved.
well the freiza guy from universe 6 in U6 vs U7 tournament or Beerus vs Chompa over Planet Earth, we see a Freiza-race type character that has spikes on his wrist that inject a neurotoxin.
however, he looks identical to freiza's pre-golden transformation, only for him to later transform into 2nd and 3rd from it... when asked by freiza to do so. which makes no sense.
since freiza and king cold's base form look identical if we extrapolate from their 2nd form.
so idk why U6's freiza went from pre-gold form to 2nd, and 3rd and stopped there at the ridley scott's attempt to sue a japanese anime over rights of the aliens species look-alike that never went anywhere.
i guess its like cooler where they have different base forms and transformation look... idk.
but imagine if freiza unlocked cooler's transformation and then gold and then the new one in which i can't find any episodes on...