Even if King Cold could transform, does anyone really think Trunks, of all people, would let him transform? The one character that we can all unanimously agree wouldn't let that happen?
This is why Qaaman brings up future Goku. Goku would've 100% allowed Cold to transform, which is why we arrive to the conclusion he doesn't have a transformation.
@@Light_VIP not even Future Goku would've allowed King Cold to transform in this situation. They're on Earth. His home turf. One of the reasons he let Frieza transform is because they were on Namek, a planet that was already going to be destroyed with nobody but him and Frieza on it. He could fight for as long as Namek could keep itself together. That's not possible on Earth.
The thing is that from a writing perspective King Cold only existed to sell the threat of the androids by having the guy who effortlessly beats Frieza and Cold admit he can't beat the androids. Frieza could return on his own but a) seeing as how Goku presumably killed him it wouldn't sell this comparison if it was just him on his own and b) being Frieza's father gives a good explanation for why Frieza is back. Of course, by introducing King Cold Toriyama raised questions he didn't intend on answering. Which was also the case when he tied Dabura to a Demon Realm, mentioned Makaioshins and had four universes excluded from the ToP
something to keep in mind; Frieza's transformations were actually meant to repress and control his enormous power so the first form we originally see him in is actually his fourth form. his final form being his original Maybe Cold doesn't have any transformations, because he could control his power, he never needed to repress it
are you sure about that? how do we know king cold isn't just in a suppressed form too? like cooler was, so was frieza, what makes you think king cold wasn't? im not trying to start a fight im just asking. @@QaamansLand
like you are great at giving evidence. so give me evidence too, so i know where its said that king cold isn't in a suppressed form, because from what i've seen everything else points to the contrary. like i said im not trying to fight i legit want to know.
@@Nightout88 well, Cooler wasn't in a supressed form when you first see him, but in his normal/final form. after which he can transform. as for if Cold isn't suppressed, if he was, then he could have transformed in the time he took to inspect Trunk's sword.
Freeza's final form is his original form and that's exactly why King cold must be in a transformed state already, otherwise he would look similar to Freeza's and Coolas final/original forms... Freeza and Coola are essentially clones of King cold, that's what Asexual reproduction is, there's no other genetics being added so its basically a clone. This means that King cold is definitely capable of transforming
It's a fun idea. Either he was in that form because he had more control or he didn't have the power to suppress as far down as his son. The actual reason is that he was there to shock the cast and then hype up Trunks, and Toriyama never would have thought about it either way. I like that if anyone wanted to write him back in, there's that loophole that maybe he died prior to being allowed to transform, even in the original Goku fight. It wouldn't be believable because it's Goku. But you could do it.
i think its that he liked towering over his minions and have a physically more imposing form. King Cold wasn't as violent as his son, he never killed his minions to keep them in line he chose to look massive and intimidating and he probably has been in that form for so long it may take him a while to gather the ki to unlock his less suppressed form or resume his true form
Nah Goku wouldn't have let that happen at that point because as dumb as he is in Super, he's actually not that stupid. He knows from experience that if he didn't take them out quickly they could have Nameked Earth out of pure salt.
As I've gotten older, I realized King Cold's potential isn't really massive as much as I thought it was as a kid. He truly was just a business man/negotiator (even trying to negotiate with Trunks in death), not really a fighter & doesn't exhibit those violent tendencies like his son that he double-downed on in Super. The only thing that has me a little curious is how he is able to make so many connections to where he is able to be aware of Majin Buu & Beerus. I personally think he's made dealings with Beerus (maybe finding a way for him not to kill Frieza by bribing him), or some of the different gods who rule other parts of the universe.
In dragonball fighterz one of friezas win quotes is along the lines of "youre the first person to kick dust on me since father" suggesting that king cold is powerful at least way back then But it is a non cannon videogame at the end of the day
@@QaamansLand frieza mentioned Buu after Sorbet talking about how he defeated Buu and fougth Beerus and Frieza said: "Buu? My dad told me to never mess with those two"
My logic for why King Cold can’t transform: Because if he was able to do so after seeing Freiza get easily killed by Trunks, then naturally he would’ve thought “Oh no, my powerful son got killed, I need to go full power to survive” and then done so. But that didn’t happen, so we’re chillin with what happened
Yeah that's just an argument fallacy though, just because you didn't see someone do something, that isn't confirmation that they're not capable of doing it... you never seen me do a backflip, so does that mean i cant do a backflip or what? 😅 you see the flaw in that logic?
@@kooyah6420 not only did he not have time to transform, but he didn't even think Trunks was stronger than himself or Freeza, he clearly states that he doesn't think Trunks would have killed Freeza without the sword... And King cold can't sense power levels, so he couldn't tell that Trunks was actually stronger than Freeza and that the sword had nothing to do with it... Cold didn't even think anyone could actually be stronger than Freeza and himself
I mean, Frieza had to ask Goku to WAIT for him to power up. So King Cold might have realized that if it took all of that time, it would have left more of an opening for a killing blow than just fighting as is
@@reptilian_geneticist Your backflip analogy is flawed, not gonna lie. Fact is, until Toriyama says otherwise, King Cold has no other transformations. No ‘Ifs’, ‘ands’, or ‘buts.’ Anything else is just head-canon/fanfiction.
Because Freiza's true form is his physically smallest, least visually intimidating form, I always assumed that Freiza's species originally possessed the ability to transform for intimidation purposes. Only Freiza himself used the transformation to suppress his tremendous power, every other member of his species either used the transformations in order to appear menacing, or stayed in their natural form most of the time (like Cooler). Thus King Cold didn't transform to fight Trunks because his other forms weren't any more powerful, they are just cosmetically different.
Thats a very neat point. I like it. Cold likely used his second transformation to command respect of the saiyans who firmly believe "hes big he must be strong".
Thats a very neat point. I like it. Cold likely used his second transformation to command respect of the saiyans who firmly believe "hes big he must be strong".
He also says when he transformed into Golden Frieza that he deliberately choose Gold as the color he transformed into. That does support your theory that Frieza's race can and does choose the look of their transformations. With second and third form being used for intimidation mainly (explaining why third form Frieza is so grotesque), while Final form is his original form, which is preferable due to smaller size both in width and height than anything. More agile, but still just as powerful, and dropping the horns to be more streamline. Human fighters are always more lean and toned, not big and bulky afterall. But King Cold changed it for intimidation, while Frieza changed his form for power control and intimidation if needed.
That's not very valid bc Frieza only had one form that was large, and he stayed in his suppressed first form which was his smallest form even smaller than his final form
Okay, the way I always thought about this was King Cold didn’t have enough time to transform, and he had a feeling that if he did (thanks to trunks’ no BS attitude) trunks would kill him mid-transformation or in his 3rd form. Not to mention he would also have to power up to 100% and it seemed pretty hopeless. His best move was bribery or hoping to catch him off guard
exactly, just think how quick he died in a fight, he may have been eons stronger than his son but King cold died within 30 seconds, no way he would have had time to gather the ki to unlock his stronger forms
He can't transform. Final form is Frieza's true form. He made the other forms to conserve power and for amusement purposes, and the reason his 2nd form looks so similar is probably a tribute to his loving father.
One thing i read is that Frieza forms arent like Transformations but contentions to his power, his original being the final form, which could be right but i am not sure If it's canon but one thing we should look at is that even if Cold could transform it's implied that no matter what Frieza is stronger than him because it's been confirmed that Frieza is stronger
Your right it is cannon and I think Q 4got because that changes his whole video especially with. Frieza being produced asexually meaning he a clone of his father
You're definitely right his final form is his actual base form all the other 3 forms aside from 100% Full Power and golden are power suppressors because his body can't handle his raw power so he created those forms just so that he can exist and there maybe a similar situation for king cold however king cold could also be considered lazy and also the fact that he retired from fighting for awhile he could've been very rusty similar to what happened to gohan in resurrection F where he almost forgot how to go super saiyan. But for the most part frieza's base power was too much for his body to handle, cooler may have mastered his high base power but then again before hand he was slightly weaker than frieza originally "frieza was a formidable opponent and he definitely had the edge" and since cooler actually fought frieza ge got his 5th form being pushed to his limits by frieza as cooler stated that he discovered the 5th form as a result
Still a shame he didn't get more screentime, King Cold's design is cool as well as his demeanor.. and the idea of Frieza but more calculated and ruthless, bypassing all the nonsense and getting the job done would be extremely dangerous.
@@justinarzola4584 King Cold isn't a joke 💀 he's just as strong as Frieza it was confirmed, obviously not forgotten either if he was mentioned later on by Frieza and us watching a literal video made on him
@@FazeRustyNuts he definitely wasn't as strong as Frieza, at least at that point in the story,Trunks had an even easier time taking him out than Frieza who was even weaker than he was on Namek,( I think Trunks just wanted Frieza to feel some fear of seeing a Super Sayain after Goku before he went to work on him),not to mention Cold didn't seem to have a healing factor after trunks shot him or even the ability of transformations like Cooler and Frieza,heck the fact Cold died easy against Trunk's blast while Frieza survived both a Spirit Bomb and Kamehameha is enough proof.
I was always under the impression that the 4th form was the "true" one for Freeza's species. He did say that forms 1-3 were just there to suppress his powers and conserve energy. Freeza liked hanging out in his first form, so perhaps King Cold liked hanging out in his 2nd form (assuming he even has a 1st form like Freeza does). It's kind of like how we didn't see some of the Saiyan characters turn into Great Apes but we know they could. Of course this is Toriyama we're talking about so it's unlikely we'll ever get a straight answer.
it is but King cold like the intimidation, theatrics and having everyone beneath him that his second suppressed form has. simply put he never saw the need to transform and when he fought trunks and goku in the original and altered timelines King cold was never given time to gather up ki to transform. unlike goku and Vegeta King Cold didn't have their precise ki control so he would need to gather his ki whereas goku and Vegeta typically keep their ki levels just below the transformation line so they can transform at the drop of a hat. King cold also loved that his second suppressed form's height let him look down on everyone. around him his minions all knew their place under Cold's heel. its different with Frieza who basically kept his thugs in line by having them know if they fail they're dead and he would make an example of those who fail him by killing them, he is much more violent than his father
@@amilyon553They are mutants,their genes dont have to work like us. Frieza is too small regardless,King Cold is 12 feet tall,even in his second form Frieza is tiny compared to that
@@QaamansLandyes it is the final form of Frieza's species they all have the same suppressed and final forms, King Cold could transform he just didnt have the time to transform. remember it took great effort for frieza to transform as it took effort to gather the ki to transform, there's no way king cold would be able to buy time to transform and after frieza was killed King Cold became very arrogant and rather than try to gather ki he made an assumption that the sword had a special property of being able to cut through anything including an SSJ1 and not realize that Trunks was imbuing the sword with his ki so it could cut through anything simply put it seems with the Ki imprecise rudimentary control frieza and his father had it would have taken them some time and effort to gather the ki to transform, Trunks did not give him that time, it isnt his style which is exemplified in the android and cell saga and Trunks probably knew King Cold could transform which is why he chose to kill him right away when the sword attempt failed, better to kill an enemy when weak then when they're strong in a nutshell King Cold had no time at all to gather the ki and initiate the transformations as any attempt would get him killed regardless before he had enough power to survive any attack his enemy in the altered timeline being trunks would make. remember that frieza's form is the original form and every other form is a suppressed form to limit their power and King Cold is in a suppressed form. the reason King cold uses that specific suppressed form is actually well within his personality and style, King Cold loves the theatrics and intimidation of that form, he is as powerful as maximum power frieza in that form and the fact that it is a suppressed form means that King Cold is actually very very powerful in his own right, logically he would have had some training to ensure that he was able to destroy any threat the form itself also ensured his minions and thugs look up to him and he looked down on them and they around him would naturally know by his size that they were all under his heel allways and forever. frieza didnt care for that if he needed to motivate his gang he would just kill one of his minions as an example of what failure looks like since Frieza is much more violent than his father
I always theorized that cold couldn't transform because freeza was a mutation in his own race resulting in the enormous power and needing to suppress himself, made the 3 weaker forms.
bingo. That's why. Cooler also has just that shredder transformation that can be reversed. He, like Cold, is already in his true form. Frieza is the exception, the mutation, the prodigy,
It is entirely possible that King Cold CAN transform, but it isn't stronger. Maybe he trained in his second form to be taller and more imposing. I think it's stated that final form Frieza is actually the form he was born in and he uses the transformations to suppress his power, so it might not mean they're the same for all members of Frieza's race
The same can be said about Super Saiyan Cabba is equal to Super Saiyan Vegeta because they are both Super Saiyan. Transformations only multiply one's bass power and they're not a milestone of one's power. And how much they multiply can vary from person to person
their transformations are all suppressed forms but its logical that King Cold didnt have the time as he died in under 30 seconds and King cold and his son did not have precise ki control so they would have had to gather up the ki to even transform, this is unlike goku and Vegeta who have pinpoint precise very disciplined ki control and always keep their ki just under the transformation line but also have the ability to gather ki in the background slowly without effort. this is why when he arrived he just stood there and the frieza force thugs all noticed Goku's power rising even though he was just standing there. King cold and frieza would never have that kind of control so it takes time for them to transform
@@fangslore9988 True, they don't have ki control, as in Super Frieza just states there was never a need to train, but you would think Cold would try at least, seeing Frieza get no diff'd by Trunk. Tbf, tricking Trunks out of his sword might have been the best shot he had, but in that case how much stronger would Cold's other forms be? Certainly less of an advantage than a weapon. To reference Super again, Frieza wanted to be taller since he didn't seem threatening to many characters that can't sense ki, so Cold maybe favored that form to be larger and better command authority.
@@biffitup2525 one would think but King Cold arrogantly thought that no "monky" would ever be stronger than he or his son, and assumed that Trunks only won because of the sword and though that the sword may have some kind of inherent ability to kill things as strong as he and his son and thought it would be ironic to kill this "legendary super Saiyen" with his own sword. if King Cold could sense Ki he would know that Trunks' power easily eclipsed the power he had in his second form. and after the sword thing happened he realized, this warrior he was facing was about to kill him and he realized there was no possible way to win. in the original timeline when Goku fought King Cold i would assume King Cold would have attempted to gather ki to transform but its very likely Goku would have toyed with him and frieza with instant transmission and would simply teleport to King Cold everytime Cold would gather Ki and made the process extremely difficult and would have also very quickly dispatched King Cold and Frieza. in the original timeline knowing how strong Frieza was, he would have surely made sure King Cold would not be able to transform either, that mistake pretty much sealed Namik's doom and he would ensure King Cold couldn't access his full power to protect the earth and he would have sensed that his friends were close by to the battle too
I think he could transform but was just killed before he had the chance to. It was more in line with his character to use diplomacy over brute strength. On top of the fact that King Cold was aging and was probably rusty, so he couldn’t transform as easily as he could during his youth. Just my speculation of course, i don’t actually know.
When they landed on Earth (Frieza and Cold) ,the Z warriors stated that there was 2 power level of around the same force in the ship in it (Since Mecha-Frieza had a power level of 240 000 000 (Well he has no official power level ,the last one official was Goku SSJ 1 with 150 000 000 on Namek) but he was stated to be twice stronger than previously so since he was at 120 000 000 in Final Form 100% ,it is assumed that he was at 240 000 000 as Mecha-Frieza on Earth so Cold (2nd form) on Earth should also be around 240 Millions) . In an interview ,when the journalist asked Toriyama how strong would Cold Final Form be ,Toriyama responded that he would be as strong as Android 18 and 17 . If we apply the same multiplicator as Frieza's form (530 000 -> 1 060 000 (+100%) -> 1 590 000 (+50%) -> 60 000 000 (+3 673,58%) -> 120 000 000 (+100%)) It would be 120 000 000 -> 240 000 000 -> 360 000 000 -> 13 584 888 000 -> 27 169 776 000
Then how he got killed..he could had transformed against trunks!!!?? It doesn't make any sense..when frieza couldn't handle super namek piccolo he just transformed to his 3rd form and retained the power gap remember..@@plumebrise4801
I think Frieza’s and King Cold’s motivations are fundamentally different as well. King Cold is more practical and complacent in a sense that he isn’t constantly being driven by his own ego the way Frieza is. Though all villains display a degree of antisocial behavior, Frieza leans a lot farther into narcissism than other villains with the 2 closest comparisons being early Vegeta and Cell who were both directly influenced by Frieza. Frieza thinks of everyone and everything as being beneath him but like a narcissist also craves their validation so his desire to display his superiority and achieve more power and transformations is more driven by ego than necessity. That’s the reason he acts so rashly in Super to get his revenge on Goku because all he can think about is the humiliation he felt and needing to reclaim his superiority
1. Given the scenario against trunks, if he could transform he would’ve 2. I kinda theorised that frieza chose the looks of his forms purposely, the xenomorph form was chosen so that his scary appearance made up for the power loss but he couldn’t control it so he chose to downgrade again but this time used his father as inspiration but still couldn’t control himself. But this theory got thrown away by frost. If Colds 2nd was equivalent to frieza final form, do u know how frickin power colds final form would be😂
@@QaamansLand well I explained 3rd and second, his first form is essentially a miniature version of his second king cold looking form. Final form is his regular looking form, 100%frieza is just him at full power. Golden is just Frieza mimicking super saiyan. Black frieza is where it gets kinda tricky, it may be a bit out there but frieza witnessed UI Omen and MUI at the ToP. So I assume he was following the trend of frieza mimicking gokus forms. UI Omen had BLACK hair, MUI has GREYISH-WHITEISH hair, seeing this frieza simply copied it. MUI/Omen put goku as the top dog at the ToP, Black frieza puts frieza’s as the top dog currently.
I believe that King Cold could transform, but his fear kept him from doing so. There's also the fact that, more than likely, Trunks wouldn't have given him the chance to do so. As a result, King Cold tried to kill trunks in a more practical manner as opposed to using brute force.
Yeah but at the same time, future goku definitely would’ve allowed king cold to transform (since it’s not in gokus character to just kill immediately). Despite this king cold still lost to goku meaning he likely never had another transformation.
King Cold is transformed... He never got to his original form cause Trunks didn't let him. Freeza was so powerful he couldn't even stay in the form his dad did... cause 1 million power is too much to carry around so he reduced it even more. So... if he did transform he'd just be a slightly smaller target for Trunks.
I think he does have transformations similar to Freeza but he uses his 2nd form because it's the tallest, most imposing. Cold definitely cares about appearances. Not only does he have the snazzy armor (which Freeza also wore but broke prior to transforming) but it even has the cape attached to it, something no one else has, not even his own son.
its really the intimidation value and the theatrics, the size ensures he looks down on everyone around him and all his minions have to literally look up when talking to him. its a lot like a sense of "you're talking to a giant" and that he can swat you away but also you know your place when he is there, you know you're beneath his heel always and forever whereas frieza is much more violent and is more willing to either shove his hand through the chest of those who he feels betrayed him or he'll just deathbeam them through the head and kill them instantly on a side note while King Cold and Frieza both were tyrants and made their wealth by selling planets they did directly help a lot of people who would have died in a lot of these planet sales though 5 times out of 10 it was at the cost of the sentient inhabitants of those worlds so they aren't too evil in the grand scheme of things but they are still somewhat evil
King Cold is confirmed to be weaker than Frieza. He gave up his position to his son while he was still young, signifying Frieza had surpassed his father in strength. Since King Cold is in the huge horned form, it could be said that unlike Frieza, he doesn't have the midget form, so we can speculate he is at very most half of Namek Frieza's power. When Frieza was upgraded with tech he became even stronger, so having Trunks kill Frieza so easily would definitely have put King Cold on the edge. What Krillin and Gohan meant when they said King Cold's power was similar to Frieza's, is the familial similarity. As for what comes to Goku not being able to defeat fully powered up King Cold and Frieza in the future timeline, did ya miss the part where Goku managed to keep up with sword wielding Trunks with just his finger? The real reason we never saw King Cold transform, is because there was no need for it, and Toriyama couldn't be bothered to create extra designs for a character meant to hype up the next arc in the story.
You’d think they would all look like first form friezas and all learned to develop new forms and king cold just happened to stop at his second firm. Although that kinda suggests that he would be wayyy more powerful than his sons and we know that frieza’s final form is his regular
There are no official statements about whether King Cold can transform or not. The closest thing we have is a a blurb from the 'Dragon Book' that states that "King Cold appears to be the type to transform". Toriyama did state himself that King Cold is "a mutant with an abnormally high power level" and that Frieza was "still in possession of the mutant traits". Of course we don't really know what 'mutant' means in this context, it may or may not be referring to the ability to transform and perhaps is just stating that Cold and Frieza have high power in general. Until we get any further explanation, my personal headcanon is that King Cold does have (at least) as many transformations as Frieza, but remains in his 'second form' due to the intimidating appearance and because he **needs** to suppress his full power, due to his advanced age. Perhaps in the days of his youth, and the days in which he established his empire, he utilized his 'final form', which I theorize is at the very least, even more powerful than Kaioshin (which would explain why Cold told Frieza about not messing with Buu and Beerus but didn't bother to mention Kaioshin). Perhaps in the past, King Cold had a run in with Kaioshin and nearly defeated him until Beerus stepped in and threatened him, afterwards making a deal; that so long as Cold doesn't mess with Kaioshin (and Kaioshin doesn't interfere with Cold or his empire), he can freely do as he wishes throughout the universe - so long as he makes sure to destroy very specific worlds at certain times, thereby doing Beerus's own job for him (and allowing Beerus to take even longer naps). But as the decades (perhaps centuries? Millenia?) passed, King Cold's body became unable to maintain his full power without running the risk of destroying his body, so he used transformations in order to suppress his power, eventually resting on his 'second form'. This form was still more than powerful enough to ensure that no mortal at the time could even come close to him - save for one, his son, whom he created to be the eventual successor to his empire. Even in Cold's suppressed 'second' form, he was still slightly more powerful than Frieza (at the time), which was to ensure that Frieza wouldn't betray him and try to kill him - which Frieza would have likely tried to do so, going by statements he made in 'Resurrection F' and Super about hating being "bossed around" and ultimately glad his father was dead. Of course we all know that in retrospect, Frieza had far more 'potential' than Cold, which wasn't fully realized until after his resurrection (which is honestly a huge plot hole). Perhaps Frieza's own offspring would also have more potential than him as well, and so on. But the pride of the 'Cold family' means that they probably wouldn't even *want* to have a child who could potentially overthrow them - at least not until they are very old and need a successor.
I always thought he didnt bother transforming because he seen how easy his more powerful son got killed so he tried to talk and get the sword which he thought was making trunks stronger and if he started transforming obviously that would tip trunks off to his plan to trick him by talking
Quick answer = because trunks killed him too quickly. Naturally cold has a 4th form because Frieza says it's his true form and the other 3 are just suppressed forms also frieza was born in his 4th form
I’d like to think that since he was the strongest mortal in the universe for a long time, he mastered his power as he aged. Transforming for him would be nothing more than show.
2:38 King Cold and Frieza are mutants, and as said Frieza was born from King Cold which would really suggest that if Frieza can transform then his father is more likely to be able to do the same, and specifically because of two reasons, the first is because of the structure of the story, and by that I mean the example of another alien race "the saiyans", in the story saiyans have bred with beings not from their planet and their children have the same transformations and tails as normal full blooded saiyans, and another reason is that Frieza came from King Cold, and there is no reason for Frieza to be born with some abnormal potential that never existed in his father even a little. 3:55 King Cold was scared of Trunks that's true, but his fear was specifically directed at the sword that Trunks was using because we have to remember that King Cold can't sense KI, just like his son can't, and so he wouldn't know how much powerful Trunks really is, but what he saw was that Trunks used nothing but his sword against Frieza, and now by that logic that sword has the power to kill anyone in King Cold's eyes because of the ease with which Trunks killed his son, and when he found out that the sword is nothing special like he thought he couldn't escape or do anything against Trunks, let alone transform because it is very possible that like his son he needs time to transform and Trunks is not the person to give him that time to transform, but he finished off King Cold before King Cold could react or come up with a counterattack with the first major wound Trunks suddenly dealt him. 4:42 King Cold didn't have any time after his bet on the magic sword as he thought that the sword was special, but he was possibly mortally wounded with that attack Trunks suddenly dealt him, and I wouldn't say that the transformation would heal him or that he could transform for like 10 seconds. 4:50 This is a very stupid argument and I didn't think I would ever hear you say something so ignorant, like some new Dragon ball fan who just heard some things about the show without context, or not explained properly, and just watched a few episodes. 5:15 That Goku's fight was never described in any way before, and that's why we don't know how he defeated them, he may have destroyed them all at once because he didn't want to spare them, or he dragged out the fight a bit and then finished them off, but the point is that we don't know how that fight looked like, which isn't proof that King Cold can't transform but a possibility. 7:07 Frieza is a very arrogant person and he likes to think that he is above everyone, and him saying that he is the most powerful in the universe as he liked to say is the same as Burter saying that he is the fastest in the universe, and if we use the example from the movie Dragon ball super Broly it's not emphasized that King Cold is weaker than his son, but that he was fed up with the duties he had as a conqueror and he simply gave command to his son, King Cold literally just retired, and what is emphasized and infused is that Frieza is more cruel than his father which does not mean more powerful, but that he is just more evil. 7:24 King Cold seems like a side character because he wasn't created for anything else, his role was just to fix his son and appear with him to show how powerful and cool Trunks is, for Akira Toriyama to set the level of power that future threats bring, and that our characters are not safe but have to prepare, and that was the only role of King Cold and his son when they appeared together in the manga, and nothing else. 9:35 His decision to destroy the earth from space is logical and not out of fear, King Cold doesn't see any difference because he doesn't care about those things, while his son as we all know likes to torture his victims which cost him his life, King Cold came to the planet so he can watch as his son gets his revenge, and he didn't come to interfere but just to watch, and that would be in character of a person who doesn't care but is there to please his son, that's why Frieza was fighting all the time and King Cold only got involved when he suddenly lost his son, so he looked strategically at the causes of the situation, which I already explained above, and why everything happened the way it did. 11:42 And here we hear his true opinion as to why he thinks King Cold can't transform, and any evidence that suggests the possibility that King Cold can transform he won't care about it, because he created this video so that no more people would ask him about this, so I know this comment won't carry any weight in his eyes.
@@QaamansLand To be honest I didn't even expect you to answer😅, I just wrote my opinion and how I see things, everyone is free to agree or disagree with what I said.
I feel like you are the only one who understands King Cold, great video. I have always thought that Frieza picked his 2nd form to look like his father and his first form to look like a younger / smaller version of his father. Frost having the same forms was BS to me.
I always thought that K. Cold can transform and that the form we see is the final one. Otherwise why would he be in panic against Trunks if he had more transformations? To be fair he was right about the idea of blowing up Earth from far away because listening to Freeza brought their deaths. If we consider Cooler for a sec than they are with the same style of no bullshit just business. Freeza underestimate every enemy besides the fact that he is wasting time. One of the things that was weird to me in his revival movie- He said that if he trains for 4 months he can reach 1.3 M when by now he should be far above it. I think K. Cold was stronger than Freeza at the time but simply gave the stage to his son for boosting his confidence.
King cold can transform and prefered his 2nd form. unfortunatly when he fought Trunks he realized he that he was moments from dying he didnt have time to transform, he didnt have time to counter attack or block the attack he didnt have time to retreat or escape. he froze because all his options resulted in death, he foolishly and arogantly thought the only way Trunks defeated frieza was the sword since he couldn't sense power levels, and he wanted to see if the sword was a powerful as he thought but when it failed and trunks put his hand on Cold, yeah the ex-tyrant realized not nothing he could do would result in a victory because he had no time
@@fangslore9988 What are you basing it on that K. Cold can transform more than what we see? Yes he was arrogant and stupid I agree it brought his downfall. I just think that if he could transform further, once he saw Freeza getting killed he would say to himself "This guy means business I better transform for safety measures." There is no evidence anywhere that K. Cold can transform further than what we see unless you have such.
@@eranshachar9954 Frieza's final form is their species true form though, so its logic but trunks never gave King cold to gather the ki to transform. trunks isnt that foolish, he humored King Cold but knew what he planned to do through gaging his personality. then he immediately put his hand on Cold's chest who knew what was about to happen and thus time became his enemy, he was going to die and he froze because he had 0 options available then Trunks blasted a hole in Cold's chest mere seconds later. to transform he would have needed more time than he had available to him. Goku and Vegeta always keep their ki just below the necessary level to transform which is why they can at a drop of a hat. King Cold and Frieza dont have that level of Ki control. really the point is moot because while on a biological point yes he would have had other transformations, but did he use them no simply because he had no time in universe and out of universe Toriyama probably forgot or simply chose to keep King Cold in that form because he wanted King Cold to meet a quick death so the logically he ensured that Trunks simply didn't let it happen he obviously knew about it which is why he was so quick to finish off king cold right after blocking the sword. the whole "did king cold have the ability to transform" falls under "why didnt King cold attack with ki blasts rather than try to use the sword" we dont see King cold use ki blasts but that doesn't mean he didnt know how to use them. in the end king cold was given a swift kill rather than time to prolong the fight. and many also would say "couldnt king Cold power up while frieza fought?" the answer to that is that he cannot sense ki levels so he assumed Trunks was much weaker than his son and that it was only the sword's power that led to Frieza's death, and it was only when Trunks grabbed the sword blade King Cold realized the immense gravity that was Trunk's power and he knew that he was going to die regardless of any choice he would attempt in trying to survive or power up. unlike frieza King cold was a much more cautious and seasoned fighter he knew when he was in an unwinable situation and that was the fight between him and trunks if you want to call it that
My personal headcanon is that Freeza is just a mutant amond mutants, and so while King Cold is stick at 2nd form and Cooler had to work for his Final Form and Fifth Form, Freeza popped out in his final form and had to figure out the lower transformations, which is why King Cold was willing to cede control to Freeza on the spot.
They aren't lower transformations, those transformations are literally made to drastically suppress his power. Frieza's final form is actually his true or base form.
It's actually stated in official source material that King Cold can transform like Frieza. But it is heavily implied he is in his original form rather than his 2nd suppressed form and that Frieza dedicated his 2nd suppressed form to his father's original form.
@@basicbodybuilding Well because they're an asexual race it's heavily implied yes. Though his suppressed forms likely look different to that of Frieza. But not too different since they are asexual. Probably the equivalent of frost, like the 3rd form might have spikes or might not. That sort of variance. And different colours.
Why haven't Akira Toriyama just confirmed that King Cold couldn't have transformations like his mutant son? It would have put the argument to rest already.
If I'm not mistaken, his Appearance in the anime the z fighters said they felt frieza and a power level that matched his soooo....he really didn't need to transform as far as he was concerned, also the second form would seem more intimidating then the final for people who can't sense ki as its bigger and bulkier then the final
Cold either didn't have a transformation, was already in his "true" form, or felt that higher transformations would make no difference because Trunks was too powerful. Commenting on the movie quote, I think it meant that Frieza would just transform to his 2nd form to look taller, which resembled the form his father had, instead of hinting that Cold has a higher form. Also, I guess Cold would had just given the ability to transform or repress powers to his offspring. It would've been cool to have explored and developed Cold's character and powers more in DBZ.
I just always assumed king cold was in his second form because it just makes intuitive sense Both frieza and cooler are smaller in their "final form" and beef up in their 100% form which is coolers single transformation so I like to think that king cold simply always stayed in that suppressed second form because it made him a more physically intimidating ruler due to being able to tower over everyone
In resurrection f it said that reason never train so to get thet potential he needed to his parents have good geanes not one but of the boat of them.sound suggest that king call and multiple transformations but he didn't had the chance to show them
Yooo you completely missed when frieza said he hus final form is his original form. The other forms are to contain his power and depower himself. So yes King Cold has that final form because thats their original form.
@@QaamansLandit has everything to do with king cold if Frieza is produced asexually in a sense a clone if his father. So if the transformations are to suppress their power now gain King Cold definitely has the original form which we know as final form. So yes K Cold can go xenomorph than final. Question answered
Olympic level mental gymnastics at play here. You don't need to see every single thing play out. By your logic, it's impossible for gohan to get super saiyan god even though we never see him try to do it
Well my stance is if he could, his fourth form he might be as strong as Perfect Cell at most and that's a highball. Now it is more likely King Cold could access a form similar to Golden if he trained like Frieza.
@@Firemalleoandjelly There are people that STILL assume King Cold can body Beerus But Revival of F, Frieza told (sorbet???) "My father warned me to avoid Beerus and Majin Buu" That right there is enough to tell me that King Cold is nowhere Cell's Power... Supreme Kai tried flexing, saying that he could destroy Frieza with ease (and unless I'm wrong I swear I saw/heard Supreme Kai is almost as strong as Semi-Perfect Cell) so I can see where yu're coming from saying King Cold = Perfect Cell is a high Ball (but understandable too/
@@QaamansLand I'm saying that saying that as a highball estimate. I would consider that Frieza's second from was probably was about 1 million given Frieza doesn't train at that point so that shouldn't be any higher and so Frieza's Final Form was at full power was 120 million which is 120 times he might be close to Cell if not on par with him butt hat's a the most. It may be a bit wanky but he would not solo everything. Buu would still clock him easily.
The reason king cold doesn't transform is that in their species has hyper-evolved to have niche transformations. What this means is that yes every member of his race can transform. However each transformation does have its merits and difficulties. Namely we can state this because it means that each member of the race has a form in which they are accustom to. Before I address each of the forms I should mention one key note about Toriyama's magic system aka ki and powerlevels. Ki is the energy of life, power levels read the overall parameters of life. Meaning the scouters read based on the amount of energy the target unleashes in that moment. From the farmer who had a power level of 2. Meant that ate that moment his power level was 2. I say this because power levels aren't ki. Power levels just show the status of ki, a subtle but important thing to know. In summary think of power levels as the overall limit of how much energy you can produce. If the most energy you can produce is 1,000 then throughout the day every action utilizes energy so it can steadily decline. Said this your power level can also temporarily go above your limit of 1,000. I say temporary cause most organisms have a limiter in their genes. Breaking this limiter causes an awakening of some kind, but it is unnatural to body and causes incredible strain. Why did I mention of all of this before discussing Freiza forms. Well it's simple we know the min and max amount of energy Frieza can do. In his first form he stated it stands around 530,000, with that he managed to destroy the saiyan planet. What many fans forget is that once Frieza uses up that energy it takes time for him to build back. We know that Frieza declared his power level is million. However, we also know Frieza is braggart so he always saves a bit of power so let's push it to 1.5 million. For Frieza to go from 530,000 to a 1.5 million is impossible unless his transforms. Upon his second form we see him spend energy to trigger the transformation. We know mass can't be gained from nothing. So Frieza metabolizes his own energy to forcibly evolve. Now what many people won't understand is that such a transformation is exceedingly painful and troublesome. It appears as his body is evolving to the next state that can handle his power. This makes sense when applying it to his third form. Which due to its larger head allows it be the smartest of his forms, and is the fastest. Frieza was able to unleash multiple death beams at once. Normally for him a single death beam is enough to use multiple also take his energy. Frieza final form was one that caught me off guard and took a while before I realized what was going on. Frieza's final form is created by expanding his exoskeleton throughout his entire body. An exoskeleton that can survive the vacuum of space, severe winds and heat. It's this that is Frieza greatest strength. Maintaining a fully body exoskeleton would require tons of energy. I believe when Frieza boasted that his power level often meant when scounters read his transformations the numbers would've been excessively high. Now we can finally address King Cold. As we saw throughout the story King Cold created the empire long before Frieza was even born. He stated that he would leave everything to Frieza. Given King Cold's brief statements we can tell he is calm, rational, and authoritative. Less of a tyrant like Frieza, but an actual King. As such he delegates his thoughts in order to achieve the most efficient tactics. Choosing his second form to maintain works on many levels, especially psychological. If we humans suddenly saw a ten-foot overly muscular being, backed by soldiers and alien technology logically we would submit. After all no mere human can overcome such physical truths. King Cold uses his second form simply as a means of intimidation, then with his sharp tongue and rational mindset, he can conquer planets. By maintaining his second form we see that he is much larger than Frieza. So the longer one remains in whatever form they become more accustomed to. Knowing all of this it makes sense why King Cold used Frieza as he did. He made Frieza literally into his nuke. Repeatedly cycling through forms is stressful on the body. Repetition of this would steadily increase your overall power level. This also means when you devolve you will have excess energy to burn allowing for powerful ki attacks. Now applying this thought to humans. If humans could accomplish what Frost Demons can do. Would mean that we could alter our height, weight and metabolism at will. So let's say resources are abundant we can take up fully grown adult bodies. Whilst we live in that form our bodies we could use to a certain amount calories we burn naturally. Then if resources disappaer or the environment becomes harsh we wouldn't worry. For as we would be able to condense our height and weight. Due to bones being more complex than muscle and fat. We would have larger heads, but as we kept up this process we could reduce it for more energy. Yet the larger heads would allow us to reason more effectively. Eventually resources would start coming back. Logically the earlier you can get resources the greater the means for survival. We would prioritize a form that is physical daunting produce solely muscle fibers. It is this form that would make one able to challenge any competition. Finally once one is ready to reproduce asexually they will require a form that utilizes energy efficiently. By burning all the excess muscles we would eventually reach a form that is child like. Yet this form would boast the highest energy release. If the condtions and timing is adequate to superb a spawn could be made. To conclude my analysis I would simply state Toyotaro is incredibly skilled, but lacks imagination. Instead of adding more he could've further establish Toriyama's world building instead conflict with it. It shows that some fans like anime, some like manga, myself I like the creator of the story. As such it would do justice if more races in Dragon Ball get more attention. If they created a Dragon Ball: Empire. Showing how King Cold built his empire and how he trained Frieza to make full use of each form would've been excellent way to create a new fan base entirely. Cause saiyans aren't the only thing that makes Dragon Ball. We could see various frost demons with unique final forms that best fits themselves. Like one that kept the hardened spikes forming blades for cutting attacks. Perhaps others with greater exoskeletons forming armor. Like we see in Universe six, Frosts final form produces a highly potent paralytic nerve agent. Given their theme we could base their country on Rome. Where their species would travel to other worlds dominating, all lead by King Cold's ancestor. They would allow prisoners to fight for their freedom in coliseums. This would be an excellent way of introducing a Saiyan for the first to their species. Maybe this could be were the legend of Yamoshi truly began. That within the coliseums many saiyans would fight any for survival. That if a Saiyan loses they would have their tails cut off, showing great dishonor. As we saw in the imagery the first super saiyan god still had a tail, and Vegeta hair style. In fact I would design Yamoshi as being a blend of all the Saiyans. Born with a high power level and intelligence like Vegeta. Known for incredible Zenkai and Rage to adapt mid fight like Broly. Yet has a cheerful disposition and enjoys helping others like Goku. That eventually could have built a small army to rebel. However this would introduce Yamoshi character flaw that he likes the Coliseums cause he was born into it. As many were prisoners that remember better days. All Yamoshi would know is combat and nothing else. Then when his comrades would use him as symbol of their freedom. Forcing Yamoshi between a rock and hardspace. Does he stay obedient and continue the life he has always known or does it risk everything for a dream. It would eat away at him. Sincerly thanks I wanted to list all my thoughts cause frankly when I write less people believe than understand my thinking instead and make assumptions. With this any who reads this can add or offer constructive criticism to hone it.
This comment has nothing to do with Cold but when you said Frieza could have found his transformations, it kinda confused me for a bit. Because didn't Frieza say that he chose the Golden forms appearance, so wouldn't that mean he chose his other form's appearances too?
I have two ideas, perhaps King Cold wasn't anywhere near as gifted as his son was maybe Frieza was a more advanced version of his father's dna and Cold just was at his limit which would explain why he was so stunned by Frieza's defeat on Namek and after on earth, or Cold simply hadn't even thought about increasing his body and never learned he was capable of being like that of Frieza's power and transformations to increase his strength and as Frieza stated he was born a prodigy and never bothered to train like Frieza, Cold was probably to lazy and arrogant with his own power never bothered himself, though it would have been a cool thing for the show even as a non cannon film to have him transform against an ssj 2 Vegeta or Goku also nice choice of clips and manga columns for this vid mate 👍💯
King Cold most likey can transform but would've needed 1 episode to pull it off. Of course we know the kind of person trunks is and he wouldn't have allowed it!
There was a interview with Akira Toriyama. Where he stated that King Cold had more forms. Also, his true form was around the same level as Cell's final form.
Also it's entirely possible that Frieza created his forms himself,as Is the case with cooler And his "5th form" and the fact the golden form is only technically a form because frieza wanted something to show off the grand scale of his training so he made a gold form
My headcanon was always that every member of friezas species has the final form, but not everyone gets weaker when they transform. King Cold is simply a rare example of a member of Friezas species that gets stronger by transforming instead of weaker.
many of their species didnt need to suppress their power as many were not as strong as him, frieza and his father were considered mutants because of their abnormally high ki levels but according to Toryiama their species have an insane battle potential but Frieza was a born warrior and naturally knew of ways to increase his overall power the most efficient way possible
I feel like logically King Cold was in his final form simply because of who he was going up against. Like, his son got folded once before fighting a Super Saiyan and Frieza even implied the two of them might need to squad up if things go south. Unless Cold was just stupid and didn't transform he was probably already in his final form.
Ok so my thinking for this has always gone as follows. So we know that for Frieza his form that looks like King Cold is his second form. But we also know that those extra forms are actually used to suppress Frieza's power and that his "final" form is actually his true form. So it always made sense to me(and I think you make a lot of the same points and just go the opposite direction to this) is that King Cold is in the same form Frieza had but just simply isn't as strong as Frieza so his most suppressed form is that form. So that means that even though he COULD potentially transform it just wouldn't have mattered in the fight with Trunks because he is so much more powerful than even Frieza that he stomps him without any effort(which is why King Cold assumed it was the sword giving him that power). So instead of the idea that King Cold took the sword because he had no other option it always made more sense to me that he had other transformations to get to the "true" form of Frieza's race but that they wouldn't have mattered since Trunks was so much stronger. So he kind of had to believe the sword was the key in a way because otherwise he stood no chance. Kind of like how not all Super Saiyans are the same power level when they first achieve it, I think it makes sense that not all members of Frieza's race have the same power in their true form. That is my thinking anyway. I could see it going either way but this has always been my thought process.
Your theory is definitely wrong, that’s his original form. Keep in mind he asked to hold trunks sword so he can fight with it because he thought it gives him more power if he wanted to transform he would but he didn’t because thats his full power 🤦🏾♂️
@@isaiahnavarro8268 you don’t understand what I said, my explanation for king cold is that he CAN TRANSFORM BUT king cold has the ability to use his full 100 percent power in any form that he wants, and he chooses his second form.basically meaning that king colds “transformations” don’t make him stronger at all.
dang... my impression was that the frost clan had the ability to somewhat tailor their forms to their liking. I remember hearing somewhere that Frieza has mentioned that he uses his 1st form because it's more comfortable, and not blowing up the expensive scouters constantly by accident is probably a bonus. It would make sense that they are able to adapt their bodies to different circumstances and as they grow more powerful their biology feels the need to morph and adapt a more efficient form to harness that power. Frieza is a prodigy compared to his father and while King Cold is powerful, his body may never have had the need to change past the 'second form'
I believe King Cold had a power level of 75,000,000 Why?Mecha Frieza is implied slightly above Namek Goku,so lets say 160,000,000 But its also stated Mecha Frieza wasnt at full power King Cold is stated twice to be comparable and only slightly weaker than what Mecha Frieza showed but Frieza said he would be helpful if he couldn't beat Goku. Therefore Mecha Frieza was propably in his 50% state Its more than likely Frieza modelled his second form after his father Also since they are both mutants there is no reason why they should look similar,they are abnormal so their genetics have no reason to work like us Frieza might be more powerful cause he is smaller and the power/ki was more condensed,smaller in Dragon Ball usually means stronger
@@QaamansLandWell Frieza in his 2nd form was initially a little over 1 million,lets say twice his 1st form which would be 1,060,000 Then he powers up against Piccolo Using the multiplier we have from Piccolo removing his clothes against Raditz this would put full power 2nd form Frieza in near the 1,400,000 range Frieza full power was 120,000,000 Therefore King Cold would be... 6,375,000,000 Which in my list is close to Cell Games Vegeta and Trunks whom i have at 8,500,000,000 Xenomorph form isnt as a significant boost as the second form,i believe Frieza went from 1,400,000 to 2,200,000 with the Third form Therefore King Colds third firm would be 112,000,000 Lets say a 1.5x boost for simplicity
@@QaamansLandBut it doesn't matter because its certain that King Cold was in his true form. But he should be able to find powered up forms like his sons. Frieza was stated stronger than his father since he was born,so lets say that 100% newborn Frieza was at 80,000,000 and he got to 120,000,000 by growing up.
@@QaamansLandAlso i am making a fan manga about the fight with Cold and Frieza and the Z Fighters,i know it has been done but this will be much better than what has been done and i managed to copy Toriyamas artstyle down to a t
I always thought King Cold was wasted potential. They could've left him out there as a looming, smarter, more mature, if indistinct threat quite a bit longer. I mean they could still have Frieza go to Earth and get killed easily to make Trunks look cool and show how dangerous the androids would be, but man it would've been more interesting if Cold basically told Frieza that he'd be an idiot to go to Earth looking for a fight with the guy who beat him, only for him to go anyway and Cold later gets news Frieza was killed and is like "Foolish boy. I warned him. Looks like I must leave retirement. Best avoid Earth for now and keep it under surveillance. while I strengthen my position and myself. Their time will come; but patience... for now."
Bringing back Frieza in Super basically accomplished that same goal since he came back a million times stronger with a new mindset. On top of that you get Frieza who actually has history with everyone.
6:50 hmm I wonder.... If they are near each other in power, and King Cold doesn't have the same mutations as Freeza. Does this mean king cold trained. 🤔 Or was able to have way more power in a "lower" form than Freeza. The reason I say "lower" is because I was under the impression that Freeza's 'Final Forms' was how he was born. However, in Dragon Ball Super Broly, we see Freeza's 'First Form' has different colors, presumably indicating youth. So, does the signs of youth stay as he made these lower forms. Was that his actual form at birth. 🤔 which brings a further thought... what's the purpose of these weaker forms from a lote perspective 🤔
Just pointing out one slight hole probably insignificant but Future Trunks is the one of the few exceptions to the transformation rule having no issues with killing somebody before letting them transform. From his perspective being alone in battles in his timeline he’s not down for risking lives a fun fight. He don’t play that sayain pride shit. He’s with that Kobra Kai mentality strike first strike hard blow them up and be clutch to take care of business to protect people. My example is that he was willing to and did strike his father to prevent a transformation to Perfect Cell
@@QaamansLand like I said probably not enough to really disprove everything that you said and I agree with you but just throwing it out there Future Trunks don’t play with his enemies. Kid Trunks would though. I can only think of Super Buu and Kid Buu and 17 as the others who don’t care about that. And only one other person in all of anime that I know of technically being Eren from AoT buut he’s not really playing by any other rules either nowadays
One thing missed which everyone seems to miss is that when Freeza was explaining his transformations to Vegeta he says “I’m unique in that my transformations are to keep my uncontrollable power controllable” or something along those lines. Meaning he’s unique in that his transformations aren’t transformations to boost his power but they’re actually suppression forms. The fact he said I’M unique and not “MY RACE is unique” is pretty much confirmation only he can do it the way he did.
Theory: Friezas species are like certain species of insect with multiple metamorphosis into different instars. First form is a larval form, final form is the adult form. Frieza transforms into back into his larval form to avoid learning how to control his power enough to not break everything around him. Cold only needs to transform back to 2nd form to maintain that sort of control.
Final Form Frieza is canonically his true form and the rest are supressions. All of his races's members have that as their true form, King Cold just takes his second weakest due to a lack of need to fight and it being more imposing than the rest, with Cooler's 5th form being a power up from his 4th, true form. Whether Chilled has the same final form or if the final form is what it is through darwinian evolution and Chilled being from a time where First Form was the True Form is unknown due to the lack of canonicity and him not having as much screen time as Cooler.
isnt it canon that frieza's true form is the dildo one and that he uses the other forms to suppress himself?
As far as i know, It is, though First form being called dildo made my day
His what form
Yes I commented the same thing now he has to throw away this whole video and redo it
@@amilyon553 you don't need to be rude
Dbz dildos HAVE to exist right?
Even if King Cold could transform, does anyone really think Trunks, of all people, would let him transform? The one character that we can all unanimously agree wouldn't let that happen?
But Dragon Ball logic says the characters have to sit there and watch
@QaamansLand That's only if you're the main villain, lol.
@@QaamansLand17 and Trunks disagree with this
This is why Qaaman brings up future Goku. Goku would've 100% allowed Cold to transform, which is why we arrive to the conclusion he doesn't have a transformation.
@@Light_VIP not even Future Goku would've allowed King Cold to transform in this situation. They're on Earth. His home turf. One of the reasons he let Frieza transform is because they were on Namek, a planet that was already going to be destroyed with nobody but him and Frieza on it. He could fight for as long as Namek could keep itself together. That's not possible on Earth.
Fans: *argue for decades over King Cold's power*
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Toriyama: So I made a girl interest for Tien named piss.
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The thing is that from a writing perspective King Cold only existed to sell the threat of the androids by having the guy who effortlessly beats Frieza and Cold admit he can't beat the androids. Frieza could return on his own but a) seeing as how Goku presumably killed him it wouldn't sell this comparison if it was just him on his own and b) being Frieza's father gives a good explanation for why Frieza is back. Of course, by introducing King Cold Toriyama raised questions he didn't intend on answering. Which was also the case when he tied Dabura to a Demon Realm, mentioned Makaioshins and had four universes excluded from the ToP
Toriyama had even forgot super saiyan 2 or mystic gohan exsted
something to keep in mind; Frieza's transformations were actually meant to repress and control his enormous power
so the first form we originally see him in is actually his fourth form. his final form being his original
Maybe Cold doesn't have any transformations, because he could control his power, he never needed to repress it
I didn't think it was necessary to mention this because it has nothing to do with King Cold.
are you sure about that?
how do we know king cold isn't just in a suppressed form too?
like cooler was, so was frieza, what makes you think king cold wasn't?
im not trying to start a fight im just asking.
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like you are great at giving evidence.
so give me evidence too, so i know where its said that king cold isn't in a suppressed form, because from what i've seen everything else points to the contrary.
like i said im not trying to fight i legit want to know.
@@Nightout88 well, Cooler wasn't in a supressed form when you first see him, but in his normal/final form. after which he can transform.
as for if Cold isn't suppressed, if he was, then he could have transformed in the time he took to inspect Trunk's sword.
Freeza's final form is his original form and that's exactly why King cold must be in a transformed state already, otherwise he would look similar to Freeza's and Coolas final/original forms... Freeza and Coola are essentially clones of King cold, that's what Asexual reproduction is, there's no other genetics being added so its basically a clone. This means that King cold is definitely capable of transforming
It's a fun idea. Either he was in that form because he had more control or he didn't have the power to suppress as far down as his son. The actual reason is that he was there to shock the cast and then hype up Trunks, and Toriyama never would have thought about it either way. I like that if anyone wanted to write him back in, there's that loophole that maybe he died prior to being allowed to transform, even in the original Goku fight. It wouldn't be believable because it's Goku. But you could do it.
you could just say that goku knew he couldn’t take them both so he first killed final form frieza then killed cold after letting him transform
i think its that he liked towering over his minions and have a physically more imposing form. King Cold wasn't as violent as his son, he never killed his minions to keep them in line he chose to look massive and intimidating and he probably has been in that form for so long it may take him a while to gather the ki to unlock his less suppressed form or resume his true form
Nah Goku wouldn't have let that happen at that point because as dumb as he is in Super, he's actually not that stupid. He knows from experience that if he didn't take them out quickly they could have Nameked Earth out of pure salt.
As I've gotten older, I realized King Cold's potential isn't really massive as much as I thought it was as a kid. He truly was just a business man/negotiator (even trying to negotiate with Trunks in death), not really a fighter & doesn't exhibit those violent tendencies like his son that he double-downed on in Super. The only thing that has me a little curious is how he is able to make so many connections to where he is able to be aware of Majin Buu & Beerus. I personally think he's made dealings with Beerus (maybe finding a way for him not to kill Frieza by bribing him), or some of the different gods who rule other parts of the universe.
Remind me, when did King Cold mention Buu? I honestly forgot and will look it up.
@QaamansLand it was a quote from Frieza in the Revival of F movie after he was put together. He was told by his father to never fight Buu & Beerus
@@QaamansLandyou should make a video on it
In dragonball fighterz one of friezas win quotes is along the lines of "youre the first person to kick dust on me since father" suggesting that king cold is powerful at least way back then
But it is a non cannon videogame at the end of the day
@@QaamansLand frieza mentioned Buu after Sorbet talking about how he defeated Buu and fougth Beerus and Frieza said: "Buu? My dad told me to never mess with those two"
My logic for why King Cold can’t transform: Because if he was able to do so after seeing Freiza get easily killed by Trunks, then naturally he would’ve thought “Oh no, my powerful son got killed, I need to go full power to survive” and then done so. But that didn’t happen, so we’re chillin with what happened
Yeah that's just an argument fallacy though, just because you didn't see someone do something, that isn't confirmation that they're not capable of doing it... you never seen me do a backflip, so does that mean i cant do a backflip or what? 😅 you see the flaw in that logic?
Nah, Freiza took awhile to transform and Trunks basically had him cornered with one blast away from death, so King Cold didn't have time.
@@kooyah6420 not only did he not have time to transform, but he didn't even think Trunks was stronger than himself or Freeza, he clearly states that he doesn't think Trunks would have killed Freeza without the sword... And King cold can't sense power levels, so he couldn't tell that Trunks was actually stronger than Freeza and that the sword had nothing to do with it... Cold didn't even think anyone could actually be stronger than Freeza and himself
I mean, Frieza had to ask Goku to WAIT for him to power up. So King Cold might have realized that if it took all of that time, it would have left more of an opening for a killing blow than just fighting as is
@@reptilian_geneticist Your backflip analogy is flawed, not gonna lie.
Fact is, until Toriyama says otherwise, King Cold has no other transformations. No ‘Ifs’, ‘ands’, or ‘buts.’
Anything else is just head-canon/fanfiction.
Frieza came first. Frieza was lonely and created his own dad.
Lol
LMAO this ninja
Because Freiza's true form is his physically smallest, least visually intimidating form, I always assumed that Freiza's species originally possessed the ability to transform for intimidation purposes. Only Freiza himself used the transformation to suppress his tremendous power, every other member of his species either used the transformations in order to appear menacing, or stayed in their natural form most of the time (like Cooler). Thus King Cold didn't transform to fight Trunks because his other forms weren't any more powerful, they are just cosmetically different.
Thats a very neat point. I like it. Cold likely used his second transformation to command respect of the saiyans who firmly believe "hes big he must be strong".
Thats a very neat point. I like it. Cold likely used his second transformation to command respect of the saiyans who firmly believe "hes big he must be strong".
He also says when he transformed into Golden Frieza that he deliberately choose Gold as the color he transformed into. That does support your theory that Frieza's race can and does choose the look of their transformations. With second and third form being used for intimidation mainly (explaining why third form Frieza is so grotesque), while Final form is his original form, which is preferable due to smaller size both in width and height than anything. More agile, but still just as powerful, and dropping the horns to be more streamline. Human fighters are always more lean and toned, not big and bulky afterall.
But King Cold changed it for intimidation, while Frieza changed his form for power control and intimidation if needed.
That's not very valid bc Frieza only had one form that was large, and he stayed in his suppressed first form which was his smallest form even smaller than his final form
@followerofchrist1994 His first form has horns though, seems like that would have more intimidation factor than his true form.
Okay, the way I always thought about this was
King Cold didn’t have enough time to transform, and he had a feeling that if he did (thanks to trunks’ no BS attitude) trunks would kill him mid-transformation or in his 3rd form. Not to mention he would also have to power up to 100% and it seemed pretty hopeless. His best move was bribery or hoping to catch him off guard
exactly, just think how quick he died in a fight, he may have been eons stronger than his son but King cold died within 30 seconds, no way he would have had time to gather the ki to unlock his stronger forms
He can't transform. Final form is Frieza's true form. He made the other forms to conserve power and for amusement purposes, and the reason his 2nd form looks so similar is probably a tribute to his loving father.
One thing i read is that Frieza forms arent like Transformations but contentions to his power, his original being the final form, which could be right but i am not sure If it's canon but one thing we should look at is that even if Cold could transform it's implied that no matter what Frieza is stronger than him because it's been confirmed that Frieza is stronger
Your right it is cannon and I think Q 4got because that changes his whole video especially with. Frieza being produced asexually meaning he a clone of his father
You're definitely right his final form is his actual base form all the other 3 forms aside from 100% Full Power and golden are power suppressors because his body can't handle his raw power so he created those forms just so that he can exist and there maybe a similar situation for king cold however king cold could also be considered lazy and also the fact that he retired from fighting for awhile he could've been very rusty similar to what happened to gohan in resurrection F where he almost forgot how to go super saiyan. But for the most part frieza's base power was too much for his body to handle, cooler may have mastered his high base power but then again before hand he was slightly weaker than frieza originally "frieza was a formidable opponent and he definitely had the edge" and since cooler actually fought frieza ge got his 5th form being pushed to his limits by frieza as cooler stated that he discovered the 5th form as a result
Cold was in Frieza's second form, and i doubt he can transform like Frieza or Cooler.
Still a shame he didn't get more screentime, King Cold's design is cool as well as his demeanor.. and the idea of Frieza but more calculated and ruthless, bypassing all the nonsense and getting the job done would be extremely dangerous.
There should of been a whole arc with Cold, Frieza and Cooler vs the Z fighters.
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@@FazeRustyNuts yeah whatever,,but it's better than Cold just being a joke that's immediately forgotten after Trunks serves him.
@@justinarzola4584 King Cold isn't a joke 💀 he's just as strong as Frieza it was confirmed, obviously not forgotten either if he was mentioned later on by Frieza and us watching a literal video made on him
@@FazeRustyNuts he definitely wasn't as strong as Frieza, at least at that point in the story,Trunks had an even easier time taking him out than Frieza who was even weaker than he was on Namek,( I think Trunks just wanted Frieza to feel some fear of seeing a Super Sayain after Goku before he went to work on him),not to mention Cold didn't seem to have a healing factor after trunks shot him or even the ability of transformations like Cooler and Frieza,heck the fact Cold died easy against Trunk's blast while Frieza survived both a Spirit Bomb and Kamehameha is enough proof.
I was always under the impression that the 4th form was the "true" one for Freeza's species. He did say that forms 1-3 were just there to suppress his powers and conserve energy. Freeza liked hanging out in his first form, so perhaps King Cold liked hanging out in his 2nd form (assuming he even has a 1st form like Freeza does). It's kind of like how we didn't see some of the Saiyan characters turn into Great Apes but we know they could.
Of course this is Toriyama we're talking about so it's unlikely we'll ever get a straight answer.
it is but King cold like the intimidation, theatrics and having everyone beneath him that his second suppressed form has. simply put he never saw the need to transform and when he fought trunks and goku in the original and altered timelines King cold was never given time to gather up ki to transform. unlike goku and Vegeta King Cold didn't have their precise ki control so he would need to gather his ki whereas goku and Vegeta typically keep their ki levels just below the transformation line so they can transform at the drop of a hat.
King cold also loved that his second suppressed form's height let him look down on everyone. around him his minions all knew their place under Cold's heel. its different with Frieza who basically kept his thugs in line by having them know if they fail they're dead and he would make an example of those who fail him by killing them, he is much more violent than his father
especially now that he's dead
I was under the impression that the 4th/final form were races' original forms, and Frieza made forms to limit his power
Yes, Frieza did but we don't know about King Cold.
@QaamansLand but if Frieza was produced asexually from his father than his father has to have that form too.
@@amilyon553They are mutants,their genes dont have to work like us.
Frieza is too small regardless,King Cold is 12 feet tall,even in his second form Frieza is tiny compared to that
dildo is true one
@@QaamansLandyes it is the final form of Frieza's species they all have the same suppressed and final forms, King Cold could transform he just didnt have the time to transform. remember it took great effort for frieza to transform as it took effort to gather the ki to transform, there's no way king cold would be able to buy time to transform and after frieza was killed King Cold became very arrogant and rather than try to gather ki he made an assumption that the sword had a special property of being able to cut through anything including an SSJ1 and not realize that Trunks was imbuing the sword with his ki so it could cut through anything
simply put it seems with the Ki imprecise rudimentary control frieza and his father had it would have taken them some time and effort to gather the ki to transform, Trunks did not give him that time, it isnt his style which is exemplified in the android and cell saga and Trunks probably knew King Cold could transform which is why he chose to kill him right away when the sword attempt failed, better to kill an enemy when weak then when they're strong
in a nutshell King Cold had no time at all to gather the ki and initiate the transformations as any attempt would get him killed regardless before he had enough power to survive any attack his enemy in the altered timeline being trunks would make. remember that frieza's form is the original form and every other form is a suppressed form to limit their power and King Cold is in a suppressed form.
the reason King cold uses that specific suppressed form is actually well within his personality and style, King Cold loves the theatrics and intimidation of that form, he is as powerful as maximum power frieza in that form and the fact that it is a suppressed form means that King Cold is actually very very powerful in his own right, logically he would have had some training to ensure that he was able to destroy any threat the form itself also ensured his minions and thugs look up to him and he looked down on them and they around him would naturally know by his size that they were all under his heel allways and forever. frieza didnt care for that if he needed to motivate his gang he would just kill one of his minions as an example of what failure looks like since Frieza is much more violent than his father
Bro that final form king cold thumbnail is so fucking cursed 😭
Huh?
@@QaamansLand Talking about the thumbnail with king cold
I always theorized that cold couldn't transform because freeza was a mutation in his own race resulting in the enormous power and needing to suppress himself, made the 3 weaker forms.
bingo. That's why. Cooler also has just that shredder transformation that can be reversed. He, like Cold, is already in his true form. Frieza is the exception, the mutation, the prodigy,
It is entirely possible that King Cold CAN transform, but it isn't stronger. Maybe he trained in his second form to be taller and more imposing. I think it's stated that final form Frieza is actually the form he was born in and he uses the transformations to suppress his power, so it might not mean they're the same for all members of Frieza's race
The same can be said about Super Saiyan Cabba is equal to Super Saiyan Vegeta because they are both Super Saiyan. Transformations only multiply one's bass power and they're not a milestone of one's power.
And how much they multiply can vary from person to person
their transformations are all suppressed forms but its logical that King Cold didnt have the time as he died in under 30 seconds and King cold and his son did not have precise ki control so they would have had to gather up the ki to even transform, this is unlike goku and Vegeta who have pinpoint precise very disciplined ki control and always keep their ki just under the transformation line but also have the ability to gather ki in the background slowly without effort. this is why when he arrived he just stood there and the frieza force thugs all noticed Goku's power rising even though he was just standing there. King cold and frieza would never have that kind of control so it takes time for them to transform
@@fangslore9988 True, they don't have ki control, as in Super Frieza just states there was never a need to train, but you would think Cold would try at least, seeing Frieza get no diff'd by Trunk. Tbf, tricking Trunks out of his sword might have been the best shot he had, but in that case how much stronger would Cold's other forms be? Certainly less of an advantage than a weapon.
To reference Super again, Frieza wanted to be taller since he didn't seem threatening to many characters that can't sense ki, so Cold maybe favored that form to be larger and better command authority.
@@biffitup2525 one would think but King Cold arrogantly thought that no "monky" would ever be stronger than he or his son, and assumed that Trunks only won because of the sword and though that the sword may have some kind of inherent ability to kill things as strong as he and his son and thought it would be ironic to kill this "legendary super Saiyen" with his own sword. if King Cold could sense Ki he would know that Trunks' power easily eclipsed the power he had in his second form. and after the sword thing happened he realized, this warrior he was facing was about to kill him and he realized there was no possible way to win.
in the original timeline when Goku fought King Cold i would assume King Cold would have attempted to gather ki to transform but its very likely Goku would have toyed with him and frieza with instant transmission and would simply teleport to King Cold everytime Cold would gather Ki and made the process extremely difficult and would have also very quickly dispatched King Cold and Frieza. in the original timeline knowing how strong Frieza was, he would have surely made sure King Cold would not be able to transform either, that mistake pretty much sealed Namik's doom and he would ensure King Cold couldn't access his full power to protect the earth and he would have sensed that his friends were close by to the battle too
He was as strong as Mecha Freeza in the form he was in. So if he had more forms, he’d be stronger.
I think he could transform but was just killed before he had the chance to. It was more in line with his character to use diplomacy over brute strength. On top of the fact that King Cold was aging and was probably rusty, so he couldn’t transform as easily as he could during his youth. Just my speculation of course, i don’t actually know.
When they landed on Earth (Frieza and Cold) ,the Z warriors stated that there was 2 power level of around the same force in the ship in it (Since Mecha-Frieza had a power level of 240 000 000 (Well he has no official power level ,the last one official was Goku SSJ 1 with 150 000 000 on Namek) but he was stated to be twice stronger than previously so since he was at 120 000 000 in Final Form 100% ,it is assumed that he was at 240 000 000 as Mecha-Frieza on Earth so Cold (2nd form) on Earth should also be around 240 Millions) .
In an interview ,when the journalist asked Toriyama how strong would Cold Final Form be ,Toriyama responded that he would be as strong as Android 18 and 17 .
If we apply the same multiplicator as Frieza's form (530 000 -> 1 060 000 (+100%) -> 1 590 000 (+50%) -> 60 000 000 (+3 673,58%) -> 120 000 000 (+100%))
It would be 120 000 000 -> 240 000 000 -> 360 000 000 -> 13 584 888 000 -> 27 169 776 000
Then how he got killed..he could had transformed against trunks!!!?? It doesn't make any sense..when frieza couldn't handle super namek piccolo he just transformed to his 3rd form and retained the power gap remember..@@plumebrise4801
Did you have a stroke when saying cooler? 1:56
Culluerk
PUT HIM ON BLAST
Gotta Final Flash their ass
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I think he did this the right way, I am very proud of Quamnn for being bigger not doing so
Who was it
NO!!!!! 😡 💢
Imagine sitting down to this at a dinner to that friendly guy who wants to share his thoughts on something with you.
Huh?
I think Frieza’s and King Cold’s motivations are fundamentally different as well. King Cold is more practical and complacent in a sense that he isn’t constantly being driven by his own ego the way Frieza is. Though all villains display a degree of antisocial behavior, Frieza leans a lot farther into narcissism than other villains with the 2 closest comparisons being early Vegeta and Cell who were both directly influenced by Frieza. Frieza thinks of everyone and everything as being beneath him but like a narcissist also craves their validation so his desire to display his superiority and achieve more power and transformations is more driven by ego than necessity. That’s the reason he acts so rashly in Super to get his revenge on Goku because all he can think about is the humiliation he felt and needing to reclaim his superiority
1. Given the scenario against trunks, if he could transform he would’ve
2. I kinda theorised that frieza chose the looks of his forms purposely, the xenomorph form was chosen so that his scary appearance made up for the power loss but he couldn’t control it so he chose to downgrade again but this time used his father as inspiration but still couldn’t control himself. But this theory got thrown away by frost.
If Colds 2nd was equivalent to frieza final form, do u know how frickin power colds final form would be😂
Then explain all Frieza forms then and your theory for each. All 7
@@QaamansLand well I explained 3rd and second, his first form is essentially a miniature version of his second king cold looking form. Final form is his regular looking form, 100%frieza is just him at full power. Golden is just Frieza mimicking super saiyan.
Black frieza is where it gets kinda tricky, it may be a bit out there but frieza witnessed UI Omen and MUI at the ToP. So I assume he was following the trend of frieza mimicking gokus forms. UI Omen had BLACK hair, MUI has GREYISH-WHITEISH hair, seeing this frieza simply copied it. MUI/Omen put goku as the top dog at the ToP, Black frieza puts frieza’s as the top dog currently.
@@karnage2948that’s a good theory
@@mr.patriotjolthanks, the more I think the black frieza one makes more sense to me
@@karnage2948 or maybe because Frieza watched the Boondocks and decided to get revitiligo, but able to turn it on and off lmao
In my mind Cooler's existence " cannon" but the movie is not
Here's a funny idea. What if King Kold's form is actually like Frieza's first form, making him super gigantic in his 2nd form?
I believe that King Cold could transform, but his fear kept him from doing so. There's also the fact that, more than likely, Trunks wouldn't have given him the chance to do so. As a result, King Cold tried to kill trunks in a more practical manner as opposed to using brute force.
Yeah but at the same time, future goku definitely would’ve allowed king cold to transform (since it’s not in gokus character to just kill immediately). Despite this king cold still lost to goku meaning he likely never had another transformation.
@@extremelegendsupreme4596Bulma might have told Trunks all of Cold’s tricks too.
that and the fact trunks didnt even give him time to gether ki to transform. King Cold didnt even last 30 seconds
King Cold is transformed...
He never got to his original form cause Trunks didn't let him.
Freeza was so powerful he couldn't even stay in the form his dad did... cause 1 million power is too much to carry around so he reduced it even more.
So... if he did transform he'd just be a slightly smaller target for Trunks.
I think he does have transformations similar to Freeza but he uses his 2nd form because it's the tallest, most imposing. Cold definitely cares about appearances. Not only does he have the snazzy armor (which Freeza also wore but broke prior to transforming) but it even has the cape attached to it, something no one else has, not even his own son.
its really the intimidation value and the theatrics, the size ensures he looks down on everyone around him and all his minions have to literally look up when talking to him. its a lot like a sense of "you're talking to a giant" and that he can swat you away but also you know your place when he is there, you know you're beneath his heel always and forever whereas frieza is much more violent and is more willing to either shove his hand through the chest of those who he feels betrayed him or he'll just deathbeam them through the head and kill them instantly
on a side note while King Cold and Frieza both were tyrants and made their wealth by selling planets they did directly help a lot of people who would have died in a lot of these planet sales though 5 times out of 10 it was at the cost of the sentient inhabitants of those worlds so they aren't too evil in the grand scheme of things but they are still somewhat evil
King Cold is confirmed to be weaker than Frieza. He gave up his position to his son while he was still young, signifying Frieza had surpassed his father in strength.
Since King Cold is in the huge horned form, it could be said that unlike Frieza, he doesn't have the midget form, so we can speculate he is at very most half of Namek Frieza's power. When Frieza was upgraded with tech he became even stronger, so having Trunks kill Frieza so easily would definitely have put King Cold on the edge. What Krillin and Gohan meant when they said King Cold's power was similar to Frieza's, is the familial similarity.
As for what comes to Goku not being able to defeat fully powered up King Cold and Frieza in the future timeline, did ya miss the part where Goku managed to keep up with sword wielding Trunks with just his finger?
The real reason we never saw King Cold transform, is because there was no need for it, and Toriyama couldn't be bothered to create extra designs for a character meant to hype up the next arc in the story.
I said the sword thing in previous videos. I have a bad habit of assuming you guys don't watch every single video so some details get missed
You’d think they would all look like first form friezas and all learned to develop new forms and king cold just happened to stop at his second firm. Although that kinda suggests that he would be wayyy more powerful than his sons and we know that frieza’s final form is his regular
There are no official statements about whether King Cold can transform or not. The closest thing we have is a a blurb from the 'Dragon Book' that states that "King Cold appears to be the type to transform". Toriyama did state himself that King Cold is "a mutant with an abnormally high power level" and that Frieza was "still in possession of the mutant traits". Of course we don't really know what 'mutant' means in this context, it may or may not be referring to the ability to transform and perhaps is just stating that Cold and Frieza have high power in general.
Until we get any further explanation, my personal headcanon is that King Cold does have (at least) as many transformations as Frieza, but remains in his 'second form' due to the intimidating appearance and because he **needs** to suppress his full power, due to his advanced age. Perhaps in the days of his youth, and the days in which he established his empire, he utilized his 'final form', which I theorize is at the very least, even more powerful than Kaioshin (which would explain why Cold told Frieza about not messing with Buu and Beerus but didn't bother to mention Kaioshin). Perhaps in the past, King Cold had a run in with Kaioshin and nearly defeated him until Beerus stepped in and threatened him, afterwards making a deal; that so long as Cold doesn't mess with Kaioshin (and Kaioshin doesn't interfere with Cold or his empire), he can freely do as he wishes throughout the universe - so long as he makes sure to destroy very specific worlds at certain times, thereby doing Beerus's own job for him (and allowing Beerus to take even longer naps).
But as the decades (perhaps centuries? Millenia?) passed, King Cold's body became unable to maintain his full power without running the risk of destroying his body, so he used transformations in order to suppress his power, eventually resting on his 'second form'. This form was still more than powerful enough to ensure that no mortal at the time could even come close to him - save for one, his son, whom he created to be the eventual successor to his empire. Even in Cold's suppressed 'second' form, he was still slightly more powerful than Frieza (at the time), which was to ensure that Frieza wouldn't betray him and try to kill him - which Frieza would have likely tried to do so, going by statements he made in 'Resurrection F' and Super about hating being "bossed around" and ultimately glad his father was dead.
Of course we all know that in retrospect, Frieza had far more 'potential' than Cold, which wasn't fully realized until after his resurrection (which is honestly a huge plot hole). Perhaps Frieza's own offspring would also have more potential than him as well, and so on. But the pride of the 'Cold family' means that they probably wouldn't even *want* to have a child who could potentially overthrow them - at least not until they are very old and need a successor.
Toriyama when asked how strong Cold would be in his final form in an interview ,said that he would be as strong as
C-17/C-18
I always thought he didnt bother transforming because he seen how easy his more powerful son got killed so he tried to talk and get the sword which he thought was making trunks stronger and if he started transforming obviously that would tip trunks off to his plan to trick him by talking
Quick answer = because trunks killed him too quickly.
Naturally cold has a 4th form because Frieza says it's his true form and the other 3 are just suppressed forms also frieza was born in his 4th form
I’d like to think that since he was the strongest mortal in the universe for a long time, he mastered his power as he aged. Transforming for him would be nothing more than show.
i like to think that he liked his 2nd form just because of its size
2:38 King Cold and Frieza are mutants, and as said Frieza was born from King Cold which would really suggest that if Frieza can transform then his father is more likely to be able to do the same, and specifically because of two reasons, the first is because of the structure of the story, and by that I mean the example of another alien race "the saiyans", in the story saiyans have bred with beings not from their planet and their children have the same transformations and tails as normal full blooded saiyans, and another reason is that Frieza came from King Cold, and there is no reason for Frieza to be born with some abnormal potential that never existed in his father even a little.
3:55 King Cold was scared of Trunks that's true, but his fear was specifically directed at the sword that Trunks was using because we have to remember that King Cold can't sense KI, just like his son can't, and so he wouldn't know how much powerful Trunks really is, but what he saw was that Trunks used nothing but his sword against Frieza, and now by that logic that sword has the power to kill anyone in King Cold's eyes because of the ease with which Trunks killed his son, and when he found out that the sword is nothing special like he thought he couldn't escape or do anything against Trunks, let alone transform because it is very possible that like his son he needs time to transform and Trunks is not the person to give him that time to transform, but he finished off King Cold before King Cold could react or come up with a counterattack with the first major wound Trunks suddenly dealt him.
4:42 King Cold didn't have any time after his bet on the magic sword as he thought that the sword was special, but he was possibly mortally wounded with that attack Trunks suddenly dealt him, and I wouldn't say that the transformation would heal him or that he could transform for like 10 seconds.
4:50 This is a very stupid argument and I didn't think I would ever hear you say something so ignorant, like some new Dragon ball fan who just heard some things about the show without context, or not explained properly, and just watched a few episodes.
5:15 That Goku's fight was never described in any way before, and that's why we don't know how he defeated them, he may have destroyed them all at once because he didn't want to spare them, or he dragged out the fight a bit and then finished them off, but the point is that we don't know how that fight looked like, which isn't proof that King Cold can't transform but a possibility.
7:07 Frieza is a very arrogant person and he likes to think that he is above everyone, and him saying that he is the most powerful in the universe as he liked to say is the same as Burter saying that he is the fastest in the universe, and if we use the example from the movie Dragon ball super Broly it's not emphasized that King Cold is weaker than his son, but that he was fed up with the duties he had as a conqueror and he simply gave command to his son, King Cold literally just retired, and what is emphasized and infused is that Frieza is more cruel than his father which does not mean more powerful, but that he is just more evil.
7:24 King Cold seems like a side character because he wasn't created for anything else, his role was just to fix his son and appear with him to show how powerful and cool Trunks is, for Akira Toriyama to set the level of power that future threats bring, and that our characters are not safe but have to prepare, and that was the only role of King Cold and his son when they appeared together in the manga, and nothing else.
9:35 His decision to destroy the earth from space is logical and not out of fear, King Cold doesn't see any difference because he doesn't care about those things, while his son as we all know likes to torture his victims which cost him his life, King Cold came to the planet so he can watch as his son gets his revenge, and he didn't come to interfere but just to watch, and that would be in character of a person who doesn't care but is there to please his son, that's why Frieza was fighting all the time and King Cold only got involved when he suddenly lost his son, so he looked strategically at the causes of the situation, which I already explained above, and why everything happened the way it did.
11:42 And here we hear his true opinion as to why he thinks King Cold can't transform, and any evidence that suggests the possibility that King Cold can transform he won't care about it, because he created this video so that no more people would ask him about this, so I know this comment won't carry any weight in his eyes.
What motivated you to write an essay on all of my points?
@@QaamansLand To be honest I didn't even expect you to answer😅, I just wrote my opinion and how I see things, everyone is free to agree or disagree with what I said.
I feel like you are the only one who understands King Cold, great video. I have always thought that Frieza picked his 2nd form to look like his father and his first form to look like a younger / smaller version of his father. Frost having the same forms was BS to me.
I always thought that K. Cold can transform and that the form we see is the final one. Otherwise why would he be in panic against Trunks if he had more transformations? To be fair he was right about the idea of blowing up Earth from far away because listening to Freeza brought their deaths. If we consider Cooler for a sec than they are with the same style of no bullshit just business. Freeza underestimate every enemy besides the fact that he is wasting time. One of the things that was weird to me in his revival movie- He said that if he trains for 4 months he can reach 1.3 M when by now he should be far above it. I think K. Cold was stronger than Freeza at the time but simply gave the stage to his son for boosting his confidence.
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King cold can transform and prefered his 2nd form. unfortunatly when he fought Trunks he realized he that he was moments from dying he didnt have time to transform, he didnt have time to counter attack or block the attack he didnt have time to retreat or escape. he froze because all his options resulted in death, he foolishly and arogantly thought the only way Trunks defeated frieza was the sword since he couldn't sense power levels, and he wanted to see if the sword was a powerful as he thought but when it failed and trunks put his hand on Cold, yeah the ex-tyrant realized not nothing he could do would result in a victory because he had no time
@@fangslore9988 What are you basing it on that K. Cold can transform more than what we see? Yes he was arrogant and stupid I agree it brought his downfall. I just think that if he could transform further, once he saw Freeza getting killed he would say to himself "This guy means business I better transform for safety measures." There is no evidence anywhere that K. Cold can transform further than what we see unless you have such.
@@eranshachar9954 Frieza's final form is their species true form though, so its logic but trunks never gave King cold to gather the ki to transform. trunks isnt that foolish, he humored King Cold but knew what he planned to do through gaging his personality. then he immediately put his hand on Cold's chest who knew what was about to happen and thus time became his enemy, he was going to die and he froze because he had 0 options available then Trunks blasted a hole in Cold's chest mere seconds later. to transform he would have needed more time than he had available to him. Goku and Vegeta always keep their ki just below the necessary level to transform which is why they can at a drop of a hat. King Cold and Frieza dont have that level of Ki control.
really the point is moot because while on a biological point yes he would have had other transformations, but did he use them no simply because he had no time in universe and out of universe Toriyama probably forgot or simply chose to keep King Cold in that form because he wanted King Cold to meet a quick death so the logically he ensured that Trunks simply didn't let it happen he obviously knew about it which is why he was so quick to finish off king cold right after blocking the sword.
the whole "did king cold have the ability to transform" falls under "why didnt King cold attack with ki blasts rather than try to use the sword" we dont see King cold use ki blasts but that doesn't mean he didnt know how to use them. in the end king cold was given a swift kill rather than time to prolong the fight. and many also would say "couldnt king Cold power up while frieza fought?" the answer to that is that he cannot sense ki levels so he assumed Trunks was much weaker than his son and that it was only the sword's power that led to Frieza's death, and it was only when Trunks grabbed the sword blade King Cold realized the immense gravity that was Trunk's power and he knew that he was going to die regardless of any choice he would attempt in trying to survive or power up. unlike frieza King cold was a much more cautious and seasoned fighter he knew when he was in an unwinable situation and that was the fight between him and trunks if you want to call it that
The reason why Frieza keeps coming back because he sells toys.
Cool video of course my friend qaaman
Trunks was gifted back then, homie was casually ending arcs early
Thanks for another awesome video!
Thanks but it's 12 minutes long and has been uploaded for 4...
It just came out 😭
My personal headcanon is that Freeza is just a mutant amond mutants, and so while King Cold is stick at 2nd form and Cooler had to work for his Final Form and Fifth Form, Freeza popped out in his final form and had to figure out the lower transformations, which is why King Cold was willing to cede control to Freeza on the spot.
They aren't lower transformations, those transformations are literally made to drastically suppress his power. Frieza's final form is actually his true or base form.
gota love seeing an whole video explaining how a dead guy who we will bassicaly never see again could or couldnt put up more of a fight
Don't think we didn't notice the zoom in at 8:36 😂
What zoom in?
Plot twist: King Cold just forgot how to turn off his second form.
It's actually stated in official source material that King Cold can transform like Frieza. But it is heavily implied he is in his original form rather than his 2nd suppressed form and that Frieza dedicated his 2nd suppressed form to his father's original form.
Where is it stated
This would debunk qaaman
But he can still create new forms like frieza did.
@@chabbab6698 I think in shonun jump or dragon book. I saw it on another video. An official material that basically says he can transform.
@@basicbodybuilding Well because they're an asexual race it's heavily implied yes. Though his suppressed forms likely look different to that of Frieza. But not too different since they are asexual. Probably the equivalent of frost, like the 3rd form might have spikes or might not. That sort of variance. And different colours.
Imagine a scene where kid freiza changes to new forms in front of king cold, like how Goten first went super saiyan in front of gohan
Why haven't Akira Toriyama just confirmed that King Cold couldn't have transformations like his mutant son? It would have put the argument to rest already.
I wonder if anyone asked. He probably doesn't give a shit. Maybe Toyotarou could prod him about it? lol
Agreed, they could simply have Frieza recon it in a upcoming ARC while discussing his transformations and how he got to black frieza.
Akira doesn’t care about his own franchise
Cell joined conversation.... "Vegeta, get your kid" lmao
If I'm not mistaken, his Appearance in the anime the z fighters said they felt frieza and a power level that matched his soooo....he really didn't need to transform as far as he was concerned, also the second form would seem more intimidating then the final for people who can't sense ki as its bigger and bulkier then the final
So it would be useful In running a empire
Thank you for almost if not a decade of your work in the db community
8:38 Ayo pause
What's wrong?
Cold either didn't have a transformation, was already in his "true" form, or felt that higher transformations would make no difference because Trunks was too powerful. Commenting on the movie quote, I think it meant that Frieza would just transform to his 2nd form to look taller, which resembled the form his father had, instead of hinting that Cold has a higher form. Also, I guess Cold would had just given the ability to transform or repress powers to his offspring. It would've been cool to have explored and developed Cold's character and powers more in DBZ.
I just always assumed king cold was in his second form because it just makes intuitive sense
Both frieza and cooler are smaller in their "final form" and beef up in their 100% form which is coolers single transformation so I like to think that king cold simply always stayed in that suppressed second form because it made him a more physically intimidating ruler due to being able to tower over everyone
king cold is in his second form, he just never needed his stronger forms
In resurrection f it said that reason never train so to get thet potential he needed to his parents have good geanes not one but of the boat of them.sound suggest that king call and multiple transformations but he didn't had the chance to show them
Yooo you completely missed when frieza said he hus final form is his original form. The other forms are to contain his power and depower himself. So yes King Cold has that final form because thats their original form.
No I didn't miss this. How could I when I've said this in previous videos. That has nothing to do with King Cold.
@@QaamansLandit has everything to do with king cold if Frieza is produced asexually in a sense a clone if his father. So if the transformations are to suppress their power now gain King Cold definitely has the original form which we know as final form. So yes K Cold can go xenomorph than final. Question answered
@@QaamansLand...how?
How what?
"That has nothing to do with King Cold."
@@QaamansLand
I almost forgot cooler was not cannon
We should have cooler being canon 😭
Trunks asked him if he felt in charge and Cold started squatting bricks.
I doubt trunks would let him transform. Trunks is here for blood, and Cold knows that
Olympic level mental gymnastics at play here.
You don't need to see every single thing play out. By your logic, it's impossible for gohan to get super saiyan god even though we never see him try to do it
OMG THANK YOU
DBZ wankers try saying King Cold can SOLO everything if he used his true power
Well my stance is if he could, his fourth form he might be as strong as Perfect Cell at most and that's a highball. Now it is more likely King Cold could access a form similar to Golden if he trained like Frieza.
Jesus. Perfect Cell? I thought Android 16 was a fair call.
@@Firemalleoandjelly There are people that STILL assume King Cold can body Beerus
But Revival of F, Frieza told (sorbet???) "My father warned me to avoid Beerus and Majin Buu"
That right there is enough to tell me that King Cold is nowhere Cell's Power... Supreme Kai tried flexing, saying that he could destroy Frieza with ease (and unless I'm wrong I swear I saw/heard Supreme Kai is almost as strong as Semi-Perfect Cell) so I can see where yu're coming from saying King Cold = Perfect Cell is a high Ball (but understandable too/
@@QaamansLand I'm saying that saying that as a highball estimate. I would consider that Frieza's second from was probably was about 1 million given Frieza doesn't train at that point so that shouldn't be any higher and so Frieza's Final Form was at full power was 120 million which is 120 times he might be close to Cell if not on par with him butt hat's a the most. It may be a bit wanky but he would not solo everything. Buu would still clock him easily.
@@HebiSaru21You're not wrong, Supreme Kai is said to be on Goku from Cell games level, so yes, he could technicaly body Semi Perfect Cell
That ain’t no king cold, that’s cold.
Did you tell him in private that he was wrong ?
The reason king cold doesn't transform is that in their species has hyper-evolved to have niche transformations. What this means is that yes every member of his race can transform. However each transformation does have its merits and difficulties. Namely we can state this because it means that each member of the race has a form in which they are accustom to. Before I address each of the forms I should mention one key note about Toriyama's magic system aka ki and powerlevels. Ki is the energy of life, power levels read the overall parameters of life. Meaning the scouters read based on the amount of energy the target unleashes in that moment. From the farmer who had a power level of 2. Meant that ate that moment his power level was 2. I say this because power levels aren't ki. Power levels just show the status of ki, a subtle but important thing to know. In summary think of power levels as the overall limit of how much energy you can produce. If the most energy you can produce is 1,000 then throughout the day every action utilizes energy so it can steadily decline. Said this your power level can also temporarily go above your limit of 1,000. I say temporary cause most organisms have a limiter in their genes. Breaking this limiter causes an awakening of some kind, but it is unnatural to body and causes incredible strain.
Why did I mention of all of this before discussing Freiza forms. Well it's simple we know the min and max amount of energy Frieza can do. In his first form he stated it stands around 530,000, with that he managed to destroy the saiyan planet. What many fans forget is that once Frieza uses up that energy it takes time for him to build back. We know that Frieza declared his power level is million. However, we also know Frieza is braggart so he always saves a bit of power so let's push it to 1.5 million. For Frieza to go from 530,000 to a 1.5 million is impossible unless his transforms. Upon his second form we see him spend energy to trigger the transformation. We know mass can't be gained from nothing. So Frieza metabolizes his own energy to forcibly evolve. Now what many people won't understand is that such a transformation is exceedingly painful and troublesome. It appears as his body is evolving to the next state that can handle his power. This makes sense when applying it to his third form. Which due to its larger head allows it be the smartest of his forms, and is the fastest. Frieza was able to unleash multiple death beams at once. Normally for him a single death beam is enough to use multiple also take his energy. Frieza final form was one that caught me off guard and took a while before I realized what was going on. Frieza's final form is created by expanding his exoskeleton throughout his entire body. An exoskeleton that can survive the vacuum of space, severe winds and heat. It's this that is Frieza greatest strength. Maintaining a fully body exoskeleton would require tons of energy. I believe when Frieza boasted that his power level often meant when scounters read his transformations the numbers would've been excessively high.
Now we can finally address King Cold. As we saw throughout the story King Cold created the empire long before Frieza was even born. He stated that he would leave everything to Frieza. Given King Cold's brief statements we can tell he is calm, rational, and authoritative. Less of a tyrant like Frieza, but an actual King. As such he delegates his thoughts in order to achieve the most efficient tactics. Choosing his second form to maintain works on many levels, especially psychological. If we humans suddenly saw a ten-foot overly muscular being, backed by soldiers and alien technology logically we would submit. After all no mere human can overcome such physical truths. King Cold uses his second form simply as a means of intimidation, then with his sharp tongue and rational mindset, he can conquer planets. By maintaining his second form we see that he is much larger than Frieza. So the longer one remains in whatever form they become more accustomed to. Knowing all of this it makes sense why King Cold used Frieza as he did. He made Frieza literally into his nuke. Repeatedly cycling through forms is stressful on the body. Repetition of this would steadily increase your overall power level. This also means when you devolve you will have excess energy to burn allowing for powerful ki attacks.
Now applying this thought to humans. If humans could accomplish what Frost Demons can do. Would mean that we could alter our height, weight and metabolism at will. So let's say resources are abundant we can take up fully grown adult bodies. Whilst we live in that form our bodies we could use to a certain amount calories we burn naturally. Then if resources disappaer or the environment becomes harsh we wouldn't worry. For as we would be able to condense our height and weight. Due to bones being more complex than muscle and fat. We would have larger heads, but as we kept up this process we could reduce it for more energy. Yet the larger heads would allow us to reason more effectively. Eventually resources would start coming back. Logically the earlier you can get resources the greater the means for survival. We would prioritize a form that is physical daunting produce solely muscle fibers. It is this form that would make one able to challenge any competition. Finally once one is ready to reproduce asexually they will require a form that utilizes energy efficiently. By burning all the excess muscles we would eventually reach a form that is child like. Yet this form would boast the highest energy release. If the condtions and timing is adequate to superb a spawn could be made.
To conclude my analysis I would simply state Toyotaro is incredibly skilled, but lacks imagination. Instead of adding more he could've further establish Toriyama's world building instead conflict with it. It shows that some fans like anime, some like manga, myself I like the creator of the story. As such it would do justice if more races in Dragon Ball get more attention. If they created a Dragon Ball: Empire. Showing how King Cold built his empire and how he trained Frieza to make full use of each form would've been excellent way to create a new fan base entirely. Cause saiyans aren't the only thing that makes Dragon Ball. We could see various frost demons with unique final forms that best fits themselves. Like one that kept the hardened spikes forming blades for cutting attacks. Perhaps others with greater exoskeletons forming armor. Like we see in Universe six, Frosts final form produces a highly potent paralytic nerve agent. Given their theme we could base their country on Rome. Where their species would travel to other worlds dominating, all lead by King Cold's ancestor. They would allow prisoners to fight for their freedom in coliseums. This would be an excellent way of introducing a Saiyan for the first to their species. Maybe this could be were the legend of Yamoshi truly began. That within the coliseums many saiyans would fight any for survival. That if a Saiyan loses they would have their tails cut off, showing great dishonor. As we saw in the imagery the first super saiyan god still had a tail, and Vegeta hair style. In fact I would design Yamoshi as being a blend of all the Saiyans. Born with a high power level and intelligence like Vegeta. Known for incredible Zenkai and Rage to adapt mid fight like Broly. Yet has a cheerful disposition and enjoys helping others like Goku. That eventually could have built a small army to rebel. However this would introduce Yamoshi character flaw that he likes the Coliseums cause he was born into it. As many were prisoners that remember better days. All Yamoshi would know is combat and nothing else. Then when his comrades would use him as symbol of their freedom. Forcing Yamoshi between a rock and hardspace. Does he stay obedient and continue the life he has always known or does it risk everything for a dream. It would eat away at him.
Sincerly thanks I wanted to list all my thoughts cause frankly when I write less people believe than understand my thinking instead and make assumptions. With this any who reads this can add or offer constructive criticism to hone it.
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@@QaamansLand king cold 🤢
This comment has nothing to do with Cold but when you said Frieza could have found his transformations, it kinda confused me for a bit. Because didn't Frieza say that he chose the Golden forms appearance, so wouldn't that mean he chose his other form's appearances too?
*Had ample time to transform but... Not against Trunks, he wouldn't just sit there! HE GET'S SHIT DONE!!
he had more transformations, he just didnt have time to do it when guy with sword is in his face
Great video.
If king Cold got stronger like Frieza I can see him having a silver form.
@qaamansland --- Maybe Cold's transformation took too long to be useful against Trunks?
I have two ideas, perhaps King Cold wasn't anywhere near as gifted as his son was maybe Frieza was a more advanced version of his father's dna and Cold just was at his limit which would explain why he was so stunned by Frieza's defeat on Namek and after on earth, or Cold simply hadn't even thought about increasing his body and never learned he was capable of being like that of Frieza's power and transformations to increase his strength and as Frieza stated he was born a prodigy and never bothered to train like Frieza, Cold was probably to lazy and arrogant with his own power never bothered himself, though it would have been a cool thing for the show even as a non cannon film to have him transform against an ssj 2 Vegeta or Goku also nice choice of clips and manga columns for this vid mate 👍💯
King Cold most likey can transform but would've needed 1 episode to pull it off. Of course we know the kind of person trunks is and he wouldn't have allowed it!
This could also imply that Cold has an easier time controlling his strength than his sons. Since he seems to always be at full power.
There was a interview with Akira Toriyama. Where he stated that King Cold had more forms. Also, his true form was around the same level as Cell's final form.
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Me when I want to extend my essay😂
Seriously man just talk 😂
Don't get what you mean
GREAT QAAMAN VIDEO KING COLD EXPLAINING.
here is the thing Frieza's 4th form is really his true form so cold can't have a second form without having a true form to begin with
Also it's entirely possible that Frieza created his forms himself,as Is the case with cooler
And his "5th form" and the fact the golden form is only technically a form because frieza wanted something to show off the grand scale of his training so he made a gold form
My headcanon was always that every member of friezas species has the final form, but not everyone gets weaker when they transform. King Cold is simply a rare example of a member of Friezas species that gets stronger by transforming instead of weaker.
many of their species didnt need to suppress their power as many were not as strong as him, frieza and his father were considered mutants because of their abnormally high ki levels but according to Toryiama their species have an insane battle potential but Frieza was a born warrior and naturally knew of ways to increase his overall power the most efficient way possible
I still thinking cold, deserves more time to shine in the story
I feel like logically King Cold was in his final form simply because of who he was going up against. Like, his son got folded once before fighting a Super Saiyan and Frieza even implied the two of them might need to squad up if things go south. Unless Cold was just stupid and didn't transform he was probably already in his final form.
In my head, I simply thought that King Cold couldn't, and that Frieza was special even among his own people
Ok so my thinking for this has always gone as follows. So we know that for Frieza his form that looks like King Cold is his second form. But we also know that those extra forms are actually used to suppress Frieza's power and that his "final" form is actually his true form. So it always made sense to me(and I think you make a lot of the same points and just go the opposite direction to this) is that King Cold is in the same form Frieza had but just simply isn't as strong as Frieza so his most suppressed form is that form. So that means that even though he COULD potentially transform it just wouldn't have mattered in the fight with Trunks because he is so much more powerful than even Frieza that he stomps him without any effort(which is why King Cold assumed it was the sword giving him that power). So instead of the idea that King Cold took the sword because he had no other option it always made more sense to me that he had other transformations to get to the "true" form of Frieza's race but that they wouldn't have mattered since Trunks was so much stronger. So he kind of had to believe the sword was the key in a way because otherwise he stood no chance. Kind of like how not all Super Saiyans are the same power level when they first achieve it, I think it makes sense that not all members of Frieza's race have the same power in their true form. That is my thinking anyway. I could see it going either way but this has always been my thought process.
Good vid!
Made it here in the first 15. Great vid
But I just uploaded it. How could you have seen it yet? Lol
@@QaamansLandhe has the power to stop time.
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My theory is that king cold simply found a way to use all of his power in any transformation that he wants and just prefers being in his second form.
Your theory is definitely wrong, that’s his original form.
Keep in mind he asked to hold trunks sword so he can fight with it because he thought it gives him more power if he wanted to transform he would but he didn’t because thats his full power 🤦🏾♂️
@@isaiahnavarro8268 you don’t understand what I said, my explanation for king cold is that he CAN TRANSFORM BUT king cold has the ability to use his full 100 percent power in any form that he wants, and he chooses his second form.basically meaning that king colds “transformations” don’t make him stronger at all.
dang... my impression was that the frost clan had the ability to somewhat tailor their forms to their liking.
I remember hearing somewhere that Frieza has mentioned that he uses his 1st form because it's more comfortable, and not blowing up the expensive scouters constantly by accident is probably a bonus.
It would make sense that they are able to adapt their bodies to different circumstances and as they grow more powerful their biology feels the need to morph and adapt a more efficient form to harness that power. Frieza is a prodigy compared to his father and while King Cold is powerful, his body may never have had the need to change past the 'second form'
8:36 Noice... Also, Cooler looks like a Yugioh summon in that close up XD
Fused in a Jojo kind of art
I believe King Cold had a power level of 75,000,000
Why?Mecha Frieza is implied slightly above Namek Goku,so lets say 160,000,000
But its also stated Mecha Frieza wasnt at full power
King Cold is stated twice to be comparable and only slightly weaker than what Mecha Frieza showed but Frieza said he would be helpful if he couldn't beat Goku.
Therefore Mecha Frieza was propably in his 50% state
Its more than likely Frieza modelled his second form after his father
Also since they are both mutants there is no reason why they should look similar,they are abnormal so their genetics have no reason to work like us
Frieza might be more powerful cause he is smaller and the power/ki was more condensed,smaller in Dragon Ball usually means stronger
So theoretically, if King Cold was in his "second" form the what is his true potential. Specifically for his Xenomorph and True form if he has them.
@@QaamansLandWell Frieza in his 2nd form was initially a little over 1 million,lets say twice his 1st form which would be 1,060,000
Then he powers up against Piccolo
Using the multiplier we have from Piccolo removing his clothes against Raditz this would put full power 2nd form Frieza in near the 1,400,000 range
Frieza full power was 120,000,000
Therefore King Cold would be... 6,375,000,000
Which in my list is close to Cell Games Vegeta and Trunks whom i have at 8,500,000,000
Xenomorph form isnt as a significant boost as the second form,i believe Frieza went from 1,400,000 to 2,200,000 with the Third form
Therefore King Colds third firm would be 112,000,000
Lets say a 1.5x boost for simplicity
@@QaamansLandBut it doesn't matter because its certain that King Cold was in his true form.
But he should be able to find powered up forms like his sons.
Frieza was stated stronger than his father since he was born,so lets say that 100% newborn Frieza was at 80,000,000 and he got to 120,000,000 by growing up.
@@QaamansLandAlso i am making a fan manga about the fight with Cold and Frieza and the Z Fighters,i know it has been done but this will be much better than what has been done and i managed to copy Toriyamas artstyle down to a t
I'm asking hypothetically if King Cold had a 4th form or true form. With his third form being 112 mill, what would his "True" form be?
I always thought King Cold was wasted potential. They could've left him out there as a looming, smarter, more mature, if indistinct threat quite a bit longer. I mean they could still have Frieza go to Earth and get killed easily to make Trunks look cool and show how dangerous the androids would be, but man it would've been more interesting if Cold basically told Frieza that he'd be an idiot to go to Earth looking for a fight with the guy who beat him, only for him to go anyway and Cold later gets news Frieza was killed and is like "Foolish boy. I warned him. Looks like I must leave retirement. Best avoid Earth for now and keep it under surveillance. while I strengthen my position and myself. Their time will come; but patience... for now."
Bringing back Frieza in Super basically accomplished that same goal since he came back a million times stronger with a new mindset. On top of that you get Frieza who actually has history with everyone.
6:50 hmm I wonder....
If they are near each other in power, and King Cold doesn't have the same mutations as Freeza.
Does this mean king cold trained. 🤔
Or was able to have way more power in a "lower" form than Freeza.
The reason I say "lower" is because I was under the impression that Freeza's 'Final Forms' was how he was born.
However, in Dragon Ball Super Broly, we see Freeza's 'First Form' has different colors, presumably indicating youth.
So, does the signs of youth stay as he made these lower forms.
Was that his actual form at birth.
🤔 which brings a further thought... what's the purpose of these weaker forms from a lote perspective 🤔
8:35 bro what is that cut 💀
Just pointing out one slight hole probably insignificant but Future Trunks is the one of the few exceptions to the transformation rule having no issues with killing somebody before letting them transform. From his perspective being alone in battles in his timeline he’s not down for risking lives a fun fight. He don’t play that sayain pride shit. He’s with that Kobra Kai mentality strike first strike hard blow them up and be clutch to take care of business to protect people. My example is that he was willing to and did strike his father to prevent a transformation to Perfect Cell
Great point.
Trunks was almost wiling to kill Vegeta If meant stopping Cell and in manga Trunks actually does kill both Frieza and Cold quickier than in anime
@@QaamansLand like I said probably not enough to really disprove everything that you said and I agree with you but just throwing it out there Future Trunks don’t play with his enemies. Kid Trunks would though. I can only think of Super Buu and Kid Buu and 17 as the others who don’t care about that. And only one other person in all of anime that I know of technically being Eren from AoT buut he’s not really playing by any other rules either nowadays
One thing missed which everyone seems to miss is that when Freeza was explaining his transformations to Vegeta he says “I’m unique in that my transformations are to keep my uncontrollable power controllable” or something along those lines. Meaning he’s unique in that his transformations aren’t transformations to boost his power but they’re actually suppression forms. The fact he said I’M unique and not “MY RACE is unique” is pretty much confirmation only he can do it the way he did.
But Frost did the same thing so your point is wrong.
@phillipholland6795 but isn't he from an entirely different universe?
Theory: Friezas species are like certain species of insect with multiple metamorphosis into different instars. First form is a larval form, final form is the adult form. Frieza transforms into back into his larval form to avoid learning how to control his power enough to not break everything around him. Cold only needs to transform back to 2nd form to maintain that sort of control.
Final Form Frieza is canonically his true form and the rest are supressions. All of his races's members have that as their true form, King Cold just takes his second weakest due to a lack of need to fight and it being more imposing than the rest, with Cooler's 5th form being a power up from his 4th, true form. Whether Chilled has the same final form or if the final form is what it is through darwinian evolution and Chilled being from a time where First Form was the True Form is unknown due to the lack of canonicity and him not having as much screen time as Cooler.
Trunks doesn't give a damn about waiting for transformations. He got that 17 energy