@@mrjfox1000 not the samething at all, some games are special depending on the writing lol its more similar with waisting your time on shitty videogames. when that civic is just a bit faster then a civic from the 90s something is wrong
Good job with this video. Very clear and concise intro, and good race footage (cutting out a lot of dead air where nothing was happening) we used to see before.
It's not just the DCT, it's also the additional 2 or so gears which helped on the roll. If one of the cars had a dct and lsd it would be a freak of nature.
@@devn3813 it depends on what you’re expecting. If you’re comparing it to cars it’s mechanically similar with, I think it’s as good as you can get. If you’re comparing it strictly by price, with the V8 pony cars, used stuff, etc, it doesn’t quite stack up in a straight line. But then again it isn’t meant to.
@@virtue946 yeah I was only considering knew and I wanted something with good tech and good gas mileage still. I figured in this market a new v8 car is going to cost nearly $50,000 and isn’t going to be as much of a daily
@@ryanm9628 what turned you off about the stinger? I want the Kona because it seems like it would be easier to park. And more importantly easier to fix up once it gets old. Since parts are everywhere. The stinger tho I think will be horrible to own long term. Similar to owning a G8 GXP, CHEVY SS.
@@dnegel9546 Nothing really? It’s a great car. I think it just comes down to personal preference. It’s a win win regardless of vehicle you choose. Gas mileage is a little better with the Kona N too.
the hyundai dude wasn't actually launching it properly... Seems like he had his traction control on and stability control on. I have the same car and when I launch my Nline i get a bit of wheelspin every time and the thing pulls hard for a 1.6 turbo
my 2021 kia forte gt dct sedan (US version) wheelspin even with tc and sc on. i replace my tires almost every regular service visit. i believe it's more dramatic than the elantra n-line and civic Si. best exhaust sound in the affordable compact car segment!
After seeing someone post a 0-60 of over 7 seconds in his N Line, without complaining about wheelspin (wheel hop, really), I gave mine a go. TC off, sport mode, S1, no driving/lane keep nonsense. It absolutely shredded through first (no hop!), went into second and spun a tad before it somehow wheelhopped. I let off and looked at my speed. I was pretty surprised, but confused about how quick I could've been going when it wheel hopped. (figuring a quick 1-2 shift would be OK, I did not expect to be doing over 50 so quickly, let alone no wheel hop until it goes into second? Fun car but wheel hop is so bad in these things) Takeaways: The N Line is underrated. The stock tires on the US-version DCT are stupid. The car is way fun with everything turned off, and would probably be absolutely incredible with an LSD and some nice engine mounts to stop that damn wheel hop
@@danieln.9638 its all in the tires for sure. I instantly as part of the deal took Brealin Ultra light rims wrapped in BF Goodrich GForce Pro Comp 2's. The only time i have ever experienced wheel hop without these tires on was when i put on my winter tires. Once you get some good rubber under you i bet you will have a different story to tell later =)
@@Striker50_ actually from a performance vehicle standpoint, CVT is inferior. There a reason why many higher performance vehicles avoid using CVT. Nissan uses CVT heavily in almost all their vehicles....except the Z and GTR cars.
It’s crazy how we’ve come to a time where an si gets clapped by an Elantra. Hopefully Honda knows that they’re getting gapped not only in the 1/4 mile but in customers as well. I’ve never seen so many damn Kia’s and Hyundais. They need to make a change next generation and bump up the power a bit imo. If the civic is already losing to the Elantra, I can’t even imagine how bad the integra would compare. Same engine, bigger and heavier car.
I've watched this video 3 times. As someone who was vascillating between the SI and the N-Line for a while-- it's so satisfying to watch the N-Line take the cake in a drag and roll. The SI is a fun car to drive, but the DCT, the much better interior, and the tech you get for the N-line make it a better value by far-- especially because the N-line is really easy to get at MSRP, whereas every single civic SI dealer I've seen across the country marks it up quite a bit to the point where you're paying thousands more for less performance and less tech. I've always been a Honda fanboy, but Hyundai has stolen my heart with the major strides they've made in the past few years. And I'm not going to debate reliablity-- as I'll get rid of my car in 3-5 years, so I'm not looking for a car to last me past 250k miles or something.
ive found that the dealers mark up less the farther away from a big city you are in have a 2024 model on order with no markups and have an option to take off the dealer accessories. Just gotta know where to look
Bro trust ive gotten the 2023 Hyundai Elantra N line it's obviously not the quickest of cars but for a Hyundai and compare to your basic daily drivers shit hauls ass for a 4 cylinder at that I love it a fun fast family friendly car
@@vincentvagianow-mm1tw yeah I agree, I've owned my Elantra N Line for 5 months now and I've been loving every minute of it. The perfect daily driver with just enough pep in it for me 😎🤘
@@official_commanderhale965 the only downside I have found out about my nline is the transmission, it absolutely hates the stop and go traffic and is a bit inconsistent off the start. But it LOVES to cruise on the interstate and it sounds great doing it
@@mharro88 lol constantly speed or being stuck behind a farm tractor going 15 mph because I can’t zip around it that easily? Lol Does the boost in speed feel awesome? Yes. Does it bother me that I can still get 40mpg? No. It’s an overall better car to me as a young guy with no kids.🤷🏻♂️
@@official_commanderhale965 you can't zip around a tractor in something with 200+HP and 150KW? Huh? I would have kept the k5 myself. More refined each to their own
Not sure why people in the comments are knocking the SI so much. Yes the Elantra N line and also the Forte GT are great cars but this was not a manual to manual comparison. Also, I would love to see a track run comparison to determine which one has the best over all performance. 1/4 mile run is a small part of the performance test.
@@slickdaddycc7506 It's all perspective I guess. 99% of people that watch these comparison vids do not go out on track; they don't really care about lap times as they cannot bring that performance to actual road use. There are other factors that are required to paint the whole picture of a car that are omitted from these vids - drivetrain, ride quality, features, reliability etc.
Its because a lot of the videos of the SI are making it look like it is a direct competitor the the ENs VNs GTi Wrx, It is not. The closest competitor is this.
I'm not convinced that the traction control was turned off in the Elantra because with it on it totally holds back the launch control and with it off there is wheel spin which I did not see !
After 54 years of driving from most of the muscle cars of the late 60's and early 70's to the gas saving 4 cylinders of today. I once bought a 98 Honda Civic with a 112 horse (guessing) 4 banger that had a manual transmission. I learned that cars that are low on power and grunt are much more fun to drive with a manual. I always thought of it like this, take for example a Ford Escort with a manual and one with an automatic. Put them beside each other and race, the manual is much more entertaining to drive because you decide how far you want to wind the engine before the next gear change. A one hundred horsepower motor with the A/C on and an automatic transmission would be a slug off the line while the same car with a manual may not be that much faster, it will definitely bring more smiles than the auto gear box. I've owned an estimated 15 vehicles since I was 11 of them were manuals and 4 were automatics, when you decide when to shift it always brings a smile to your face unlike just stomping the go pedal and waiting for the thrust you'll never get. Out of all the manual gearbox cars I've owned, I've only replaced the clutch in two of them and when you know how to use a clutch correctly you don't burn them up. My clutches usually lasted over a hundred thousand miles. On one car the release bearing wore out while the clutch plate material had very little wear. I could replace a clutch in pretty much anything, automatics have just too many little, tiny balls, springs and are just too much for me to deal with, manuals don't have all of that, just a flywheel, pressure plate, clutch plate and release bearing. I've never had much faith in automatic transmissions, just not reliable and just too easy to burn up.
That’s why I love my WRX 2021, Sam...all manual, with 0 automatic stuff on it. Not to be a super fast car, but because it’s fun! Nothing against more automatic and electronic cars, but I still love be more in contact with the car! Thanks for one more very nice video! Cheers!
Interesting results here. You did a race between the previous generation Civic Si against the Nline and the Jetta GLI, and another one against the Nline and Mazda 3 Turbo. The previous generation Civic Si came in 2nd in both races beating out the Nline, behind the Mazda and Jetta. Is this new generation Civic Si that much slower than the previous one it replaces?
I'm confused it looked like the second race was the civic then the result showed the elantra winning. Well either way impressive race the elantra is awesome. The Si has me super pumped for the 23 type r. It sounds similar just way less power
Exactly, it looked like the civic won race 2, showing both in-car camera perspectives of about 15-16 second each (about the time these cars take to do 1/4 mile.) With the in-car civic view he stopped accelerating indicating the race was over and the N-llne clearly had not passed him, then from the in N-line in-car perspective after about 15 seconds the civic was a good 2 car lengths ahead then the camera cut to a 3rd person view photo finish showing the Elanta N-line magically crossing the line first without passing the civic. I mean does it this channel think it's viewers are stupid or something?
I know the Honda fanboys are BIG MAD right now. There's no way to justify this defeat, besides the fact the Elantra has a DCT only for the Canadian market. It would be nice to see a manual Elantra in this race for a fair comparison. But overall, I'm very impressed what Hyundai is doing with their brand.
Nah, not really mad at all as a Honda fanboy. New Honda’s just aren’t what they use to be. This 11th Gen has less power than the previous Gen which is pathetic. They went backwards. That’s why I swapped over to the Mazda3 2.5T. Hyundai & Kia has stepped up their game and I’m happy for them.
I know this comment is old but i was choosing between the elantra N and the 11th gen si and every time i was telling them all the cool features about the new Hyundai its always ends with “ya thats cool but its still a Hyundai” every time. So you can say the choice was obvious.
I have a 2023 Elantra N DCT and she is quick. Would give my Genesis coupe 3.8 (Intake, headers, exhaust) a run for the money, especially since my Genesis is manual. I wonder how good the 1.6 N-Line is on the track?
first manual car? That is literally any manual car. Don't downshift into first gear? Like pretty much ever. Its a low gear and not synchronized either. You will break it. Cheers
its to protect the gear, the 2017-19 elantra sport DCT would be iffy if you downshifted to first it got super jerky so i guess thats how they combatted that
Update: I figured out that it will in fact downshift to 1st gear at up to 20mph, IF you let completely off the accelerator first. My favorite thing to do now is get up to 15mph in 2nd gear, let off the gas, drop to first, and punch it. 🏎️💨
@@blooddrunk1432 Engine from Elantra does not have the same tuning potential 🙂, is not as fuel efficient and the DCT is problematic. Honda was, is and will be better.
@@Eugen-E What are you talking about? Just by adding the Gts race chip to the 1.6T, Hyundai or Kia, you add 45hp and 80 pft....That's just one of the many possibility, the less complicated...for 500.00$
Civic SI in Canada is $4000 (add tax to that) more; and that is with the Manual vs DCT. Also, it is $1400 (again add tax to that) more to upgrade the Civic to the same warranty as the Elantra. So they are competitors, but certainly not on price with the Civic close to having a 20% higher price.
I'm not even a Hyundai/Kia fan, but once again we see that the Civic Si is an overrated car. For this year it actually loses power and turns in slower performance. Edit: Don't get me wrong, the Honda certainly feels better, drives better, and in fact is a superior car to the Elantra. But is Honda showing early signs of going full Nissan? The styling went from origami/Transformers bizarre to Camry/Jetta bland. Toyota seems to be pulling out of their low performance disease of the earlier 2000's, and it seems every car maker goes through phases, much like a teenager. Time will tell. I'm not bagging on Honda or the Civic, just think the Civic Si (no, not the Type R of course) has long been overrated. That's all.
It's been proven on the dyno that the civic si actually produces more than its 200hp. It's not about being fast, it's about handling and undoubtedly beats the elantra in that regard. Plus the aftermarket support is stronger for the civic if you want to get more power out of it.
@@fredzeppelin3969 yeah, I see where your coming from though. I think the si should have more power and Honda should've pushed the envelope in the power department. It handles well and has a good manual. But 225 hp and tq would've bee the icing on the cake. Sure it probably wouldn't hook up too well from a dig, but highway passing power is equally if not more important in my book
@@ivanfredoo5863 Amen. 8thgen peak Honda. I may die with mine. If I could spend 24k for exactly the same car new. Id do it tomorrow. Never driven anything else that feels as perfect and tactile in every dynamic
What do you expect from DCT vs Manual with similar power and weight? Its like braking contest between one equipted with an ABS and the other without. However, as always good video presentation.
That was a fun race I'm glad the Hyundai won nicely.. it used to be a stick shift was for more performance but in the days of the newer transmissions not so much. The second run I wondered my grandmother was driving 😁.
While true, theres also a pretty big load of problems that the DCTs experience. If you want to deal with that. Manuals are still much more basic and have far less problems, and imo, far more fun. Performance wise, yeah DCT clearly owns a manual.
The DCT will win 9/10 of the time my friend. A good friend of mine have a manuel 2020 and me a 2020 dct. As you can imagine, we have done the test many time...😁 Pretty fun .....💰
@@fry.master it'd be really difficult to outshift a dct, he got it taken care of on that second race. But sure, there's always someone who could shift faster.
@@MrGunzngirlz ofc ofc and these are new cars, potentially someone watching the video’s cars, so can’t go full force I guess. I’d love to see someone properly bang it through the gears tuned, though
...boost button, as in the "N Grin Shift" button the Elantra N's have? The N Line doesn't have this button. Though there is a way to get the N Line to get moving a bit better than what the video shows, it's through the traction control button rather than anything to do with boost.
@@danieln.9638 I keep seeing this, but how??? Place in sport mode and take traction control off? What am I missing??? This may make me think more highly of my N-line with DCT…….
Just noticed the Elantra N-Line was running with winter tires in this face off. Pause the video @ 0:29. Interesting. Based on a different video from Sam, it looks like the Si was also running with winter tires, too?
Yep the zero time lag between gears makes a difference but the Elantra has a double sport mode with the 7spd DCT transmission. I don’t know if the Canadian version has that but my Elantra n line does. Makes a difference with you do that and paddle shift to rev limit. Plus some mild tuning. It’s kind of a rocket for a 1.6t. Even gives my bros 2022 Elantra N a hard time in N mode. I pull on him for at least 4 going into 5 gear from a dead stop. His is still all stock. My n line has a cold air intake, much better lubricant treatments better plugs not saying the type but not your typical plugs, downpipe custom made at a friends shop and intercooler co2 cool kit. Sixth element engine mount. Michelin cup tires. 😊mild tune.
Excellent video, Sam! Thank you for doing this friendly face-off. The Honda Civic Si is still a great car. However, I think this video demonstrates and really puts a "nail to the coffin" that the Hyundai Elantra N-Line is the best vehicle in its class. The Civic Si has the LSD and thought it would make the biggest impact. I'm surprised. I'm very surprised. I suspect if Canada had the Elantra N-Line in manual transmission and you were to do the face-off between manual vs manual transmission, I think it would be a much closer race. However, I bet that the Hyundai Elantra N-Line would slightly pull ahead as it looks like it has better torque and pulls a bit stronger at higher RPM. I have the Elantra N-Line in manual transmission as it is available here in the US. I love it and it is my first Hyundai purchase. Again, thank you for adding this vehicle to your awesome channel. Watching this video just confirms, for me, that I made a great choice in my car purchase; performance on a budget. For best in class under $30k, Hyundai Elantra N-Line WINS. Elantra N-Line is priced around $25k with 10yr/100k warranty. Nevertheless, both are great vehicles.
what is there to be surprised about, lsd only helps at launch after that its up to the gear ratios and shifting. But the reason LSD is so sought after is that it helps in corners, it is important especially in fwd cars, so civic takes the win for me in handling and fun factor due to manual trans and LSD
Manual to manual the Civic would win probably, the only reason it was getting caught was the DCT because it makes a huge difference. Honda claimed no power bump, for the new generation Civic but the power curve is way better, and manual to manual the old Civic Si is faster than a N-Line Elantra. Also the LSD means the Civic would eat the Hyundai around any corners because of the LSD traction.
Great decision to buy the Elantra N-Line, but I would argue that it's platform mate, the Kia Forte GT is an even better value, and includes things the N-Line doesn't offer, like LED headlights. I would love to see the Forte GT vs the Elantra N-Line on this channel. #savethemanual
Do you know how to launch a turbo manual? You have too spool up the turbo by revving the engine to redline engage the clutch for a split second depress the clutch and then dump it, I guarantee you will be amazed.
@@josephhodges718 if it makes u feel better theres the i20 N with a 201hp 1.6t. i got a mate that likes to think they are the same and i dont agree or disagree cause i havent driven the elantra
@@CurtissB i20 is n-line equivalent. 1.6L turbo 201hp/195tq. My 2017 Elantra Sport has the same gamma engine. The N cars are 2.0L Turbos that make roughly 275 hp stock. Totally different :)
Now for all the other "auto reviewers" out there that is still trying so hard to hype up the 22 Civic Si and match it against the New BRZ/GR86, GTi, WRX, Elantra N etc as its main "competitor" watch this! It cant even beat this N-Line. Smh. Do something like this first before making all the assumptions. BTW this civic has 200whp stock at dyno.
@@daphenom45 doesnt matter, they should know that this Si is not in the same category as the other cars they trying to put it as. Thats why the price on this Si is thru the roof. I mean the Si is great, Id want one, but to overhype it and put it as a competitor to cars above it category is bs. You think itll beat the N, WRX etc on track? Hell no bro.😅
Already is.. Si is top tier auto X and it's even beating type R depending on drivers. Full circuit it's behind on power but you don't realize what handling does for actual racing, the elantra is not even close.
@@pss0520 hate to bust your victory lap but a 2017 Si is faster than the 2015 WRX in C&D lighting lap. WRX understeers greatly, again don't expect much "car" people to know that while sitting in parking lots and doing donuts in intersections.
So much fun to watch! Love hearing the revs and exhaust! Hope to see it in all the videos 👍 Those Honda manual transmissions are like butter. I'll take the Si for more fun and enjoyment even if it's slower. Can always tune/mod it to go faster.
@@nighthawk0077 The Elantra and Veloster N are more entertaining than a Type R around town. The SI is not even in the race. The rev hang alone is a deal breaker in that car.
Less performance lol. Better build quality and parts in every dept inside and out and historically way more reliable plus all the aftermarket support? I'll take the si.
@@nartin86 The Elantra N line is 25-26 k, it has 201 hp and competes with the Civic Si...the full blown Elantra N is 32k and competes with the Civic Type R.
I do love these vids, do not get me wrong. However…nothing but straight line drags. Props to Sam for mentioning that the Civic would be great on a course with turns, he gets it. But many of the comments suggest that course driving is irrelevant. - A course - or real day to day driving - could completely turn the tables where this comparison is concerned. Or even many other comparisons involving the new Civic si. I would bet the lsd and suspension mating would prove harder to beat on a course.
Just a few bolt ons + tune on those 1.6 in the elantra are no joke, you can make 300 wheel easy. But the no Lsd kind of ruins it, the car has to be pointed straight if u want to punch it
i have a 2022 elantra n line manual, it also came stock witha white pinstripe and even after looking it up i cant find a picture of one that came with it so now im wondering if the dealership just put it on lol, i got it with 12 miles on it
@@applepoop10 don't be a hater guys. Y'all might be Honda fans but why would you hate on well engineered piece of automobiles lol. Both are awesome cars and thanks both Honda and Hyundai for making these.
The Honda Civic Si needs to offer a 10 speed automatic option or a DCT for non manual driving car buyers if they want to stay competitive in sales against the DCT Volkswagon Jetta GLi, Kia Forte GT, and Hyundai Elantra N-Line. The “manual-only” enthusiast mindset is clearly losing them marketshare. Don’t even try to bring up the CVT Acura Integra because that’s just an $5000 overpriced Civic Si Hatchback.
What?, it looked like the civic won race 2 both from the perspective from the Civic and N-nline racing for about 15sec each(about the duration of the drag race) with the civic being in front by a decent margin then the camera cut to a 3rd person perspective at the finish line Elanta N-line magically crossing the line first without passing the civic? I think you'll have to explain yourself here?
Civic Si is an awesome 🚗 but, dang $32-34k US or more. Too expensive. Everyone gets so wrapped up in the minor differences in performance, straight line, track, ect. 99% people aren't pushing their cars to the limit every day. Most people just want a fun car that handles and rides nice. N-line does that @$26k.
You forgot the 5/100 waranty my friend!! 👍That's exactly what i feel. Not that the SI is not a good car, it's simply to much expensive ! Hyundai/Kia does better for less ..Alot less..
@@pascalleduc1735 In the past i would agree with you. But less today....My step dauther sold her base Elantra 2 months ago, it was a 2020, automatic, and she had almost the price she paid 2 years ago. But yes, in most situations, Honda have a better resale value....You're right.🤙
the elantra dct actually weighs over 3,000lbs and honda underrates the civic's power output by like 30 horses (around 230bhp). so, i'm more impress with the elantra. even though it was slower out of the hole, it caught and pass the civic. plus, it won the roll race.
i think manual turbo economy cars with around 200hp are slow until you add an auto trans to them. while it's the opposite for NA cars. you need to make the right transmission that will best suit the engine. So, turbo economy cars work well with auto trans. while, naturally aspirated economy cars work well with manuals.
@@jstreampc5132 Auto transmission ? You're not thinking cvt i hope? DCT is always faster....you're right. Could you imagine that the new Integra will have a cvt...What a shame..👎🤮
@@Frank-hg9rl In terms of acceleration, sad to say, a cvt civic Si would be faster than a manual. The regular 1.5t from the 10th gen was faster with a cvt than a manual. That’s what Honda offers (cvt) so that’s what I’ll say. If Honda offered the 8-9gens NA with auto, they wouldn’t be as fast compared to a manual. The NA accord was faster with a manual than the auto. Miata is faster with manual. The NA Gr86 or brz Is faster with a manual than and auto. Elantra n line, forte gt, gt I, gli (all turbos) are faster with autos
You should race it against the 2018 Elantra Sport ,this car is available WITH manual Transmision in Canada ,the same engine 201 Hp/195 Torque like the 2022 Elantra N-line
what difference transmission changed anything?? The manual did great out of the hole. Shifts only change 0.1 of a second. Horsepower and top end make the difference on rolling races especially
This new Si is really proving itself in auto X as a top tier pick and depending on driver besting many type R and more. It obviously is down on power for full circuit tracks but my 22 Si with dp/fmic and e30 tune is already much faster than any eleantra besides the N.
@@donnywilderness front mount intercooler. I have PRL downpipe/frontpipe/intercooler/flexfuel kit/ktuner 21 psi e30 tune/whiteline rear sway bar/tein s tech springs/18x9.5 SSR gtx01 wheels/ 255/35r18 continental extreme contact sport tires.
@@teamhyperplasia1368 while the elantra does have a few options for aftermarket support the civic has endless upgrade parts, tuners and the aftermarket is huge. There are 10 second 10th gen (1.5t) civic Si something that the N line and even the fully fledged N just won't accomplish. And that's just talking quarter mile. When it comes to actual racing it's just not even close.
@@Nitek09Z I wasnt talking about full race car, civic and elantra are normal car. I was just saying for normal car (daily driver) I like more the performance of the n line. While getting 5.8 l/100km beating it.
Does brake boosting the DCT help the1.6t Hyundai with the 7sp in any car seem awful off the line. with a manual handbrake I could revving DCT on the HB and dropping it maybe . Even without an LSD it could use some revs coming out of the whole and then it pulverize the Honda. the real race is DCT vis Honda CVT . The MT Honda beats a MT 1.6t Hyundai , I have one and they are stupid cars to drag race in reality and launching them is kind of goody in any situation but I do know that launching or even rolling into full throttle in 1st can cause bad spin and tramping and wheel hop in the Hyundai and in that regard the Honda has a giant advantage drag racing even if I think drag racing 200hp cars is goofy and not their purpose of where they shine which is decent power and ability to cave a road up pretty good and have just enough power to feel fast in regular driving if your adept at keeping the car in the right gear / power band .Basically just enough power to enjoy the manual and shift more cause you gotta be in the right gear and for my hyundai you can't hit 60 in second gear , I think it's like 54 mph and shifting earlier is better as by 55 your past peak near limiter , . but you gotta be on your toes in both these cars for gear selection and know the engine well to pick the right gear compared to a powerful car . I love my 1.6t shockingly as I never thought I would say that about a tiny engine with only 200 hp pushing 3000lbs as I am used to more like double pushing similar weight or at least way more low torque , but because you can ring them out all the time without doing 150 MPH they are amusing to downshift Rev match and find the sweet spots . Also pretty fond of way my 1.6t sounds in cabin as I have never enjoyed 4 cyl sound beside maybe MY STi and although not particularly loud in cabin it's a pretty nice noise when your on it . Back in the day 4 CYL cars sounded awful , buzzy , whiney and like they were going to come apart in this class of car .
When the 2022 Honda Civic Type R comes out there needs to be a 2022 Hyundai Elantra N vs 2022 Honda Civic Type R. The Hyundai Elantra N line and N are two different models for those that don’t know
I have already run my friends Elantra N DCT! In my 2021 CTR. We were pretty dead even with me shifting my ass off! I’m a bigger guy but like I said it was a great run both stock up to 150+! You could tell as I stopped shifting up top I had a small advantage but that Elantra N is so much faster than the Veloster N top end power!
Ioniq 3. I don't know about affordable, but it should be around $30ish K after tax credits. Also Hyundai is considering leasing the batteries like Nio does in China and that could lower the price by over another $5k...
Watching the beginning ads right now but I’m calling it SI loses, reason I say this is because the 11th gen civics have been slower than last generation all across the board despite using the same powertrain
Im surprised with the results here Honda should be ashamed of their selves that five extra horsepower they took away made it so the elantra n takes the win I feel like the 10th GEN si would’ve definitely won against both of these. The Dct transmission obviously is the Elantras winning card ..
Everyone is getting worked up that the Si lost but when has the Si ever been made for straight line races? The Si has always been an affordable canyon carver. The Si will always have more character and be fun to drive over the Elantra for sure so I'm not too concerned about this.
@@ericdrobnick1942 yes it’s a great car, I agree it always has been the handling performance has been improved over the years for sure ! .. I’ve had three different generations Honda Civic SI I could very Confidently tell you there is a noticeable power loss this generation aside from that yes all is great
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Everybody crying that they want manual transmission but they don't know how to shift properly😒😒
Well, there is a difference between driving a manual around town for pleasure and being proficient when racing one. Not everybody is Dominic Toretto.
You cannot shift faster than a DCT.
You cannot shift faster than a DCT. It’s impossible, even for a pro racer.
@@copperkeyracing6167 dct shift in 8 milliseconds u goofy
@@copperkeyracing6167 Roblox playing ass don’t even got a car
I was literally looking for a video of these two cars drag racing last night. You have granted my wish once again!
Same here😅
Same here lol
Lol why nothing special at all about these cars
It's nothing special about playing videos games either but you do right lol ?
@@mrjfox1000 not the samething at all, some games are special depending on the writing lol its more similar with waisting your time on shitty videogames. when that civic is just a bit faster then a civic from the 90s something is wrong
That 2nd run seemed legit as a 3.00 bill. 😂
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Good job with this video. Very clear and concise intro, and good race footage (cutting out a lot of dead air where nothing was happening) we used to see before.
It's not just the DCT, it's also the additional 2 or so gears which helped on the roll. If one of the cars had a dct and lsd it would be a freak of nature.
The Elantra N does
The EN has a DCT, eLSD, and about 90 more hp. Picked mine up about a month and a half ago and it’s a blast.
@@virtue946 mine is supposed to come in less than two weeks from now. I hope it is powerful enough
@@devn3813 it depends on what you’re expecting. If you’re comparing it to cars it’s mechanically similar with, I think it’s as good as you can get. If you’re comparing it strictly by price, with the V8 pony cars, used stuff, etc, it doesn’t quite stack up in a straight line. But then again it isn’t meant to.
@@virtue946 yeah I was only considering knew and I wanted something with good tech and good gas mileage still. I figured in this market a new v8 car is going to cost nearly $50,000 and isn’t going to be as much of a daily
I just bought a Kona N. Never thought I would buy a Hyundai, but I love it thus far.
I'm thinking I may get one. But then I can also get a used stinger for same price... Ugh decisions 😅
@@dnegel9546 test drive both. The N products are fun cars to drive. I almost got a Stinger, but the Kona N had me sold.
@@ryanm9628 what turned you off about the stinger?
I want the Kona because it seems like it would be easier to park. And more importantly easier to fix up once it gets old. Since parts are everywhere. The stinger tho I think will be horrible to own long term. Similar to owning a G8 GXP, CHEVY SS.
@@dnegel9546 Nothing really? It’s a great car. I think it just comes down to personal preference. It’s a win win regardless of vehicle you choose. Gas mileage is a little better with the Kona N too.
the hyundai dude wasn't actually launching it properly... Seems like he had his traction control on and stability control on. I have the same car and when I launch my Nline i get a bit of wheelspin every time and the thing pulls hard for a 1.6 turbo
my 2021 kia forte gt dct sedan (US version) wheelspin even with tc and sc on. i replace my tires almost every regular service visit. i believe it's more dramatic than the elantra n-line and civic Si. best exhaust sound in the affordable compact car segment!
Yep. different animal with no trac on. I also own Nline. I mentioned in a prev vid about the traction control. it makes a world of difference
@@Vaylkin exactly .... he shouldve held the traction control button for about 3-4 seconds to defeat the traction and stability control
After seeing someone post a 0-60 of over 7 seconds in his N Line, without complaining about wheelspin (wheel hop, really), I gave mine a go.
TC off, sport mode, S1, no driving/lane keep nonsense. It absolutely shredded through first (no hop!), went into second and spun a tad before it somehow wheelhopped. I let off and looked at my speed. I was pretty surprised, but confused about how quick I could've been going when it wheel hopped. (figuring a quick 1-2 shift would be OK, I did not expect to be doing over 50 so quickly, let alone no wheel hop until it goes into second? Fun car but wheel hop is so bad in these things)
Takeaways: The N Line is underrated. The stock tires on the US-version DCT are stupid. The car is way fun with everything turned off, and would probably be absolutely incredible with an LSD and some nice engine mounts to stop that damn wheel hop
@@danieln.9638 its all in the tires for sure. I instantly as part of the deal took Brealin Ultra light rims wrapped in BF Goodrich GForce Pro Comp 2's. The only time i have ever experienced wheel hop without these tires on was when i put on my winter tires. Once you get some good rubber under you i bet you will have a different story to tell later =)
Love the Red Bull-Honda F1 jacket. Wish Honda would have stayed fully committed.
In my opinion, with nowadays tech manual transmission is no more quick than automatic because computer is far more quick than your hands and reaction
That's not a recent thing, it's been that way for a while
Obvious Facts for $400, Alex.
A manual is EXTREMELY inferior to an auto or even a CVT
Yes,u right transmission automatic to used computer for shifting with ECU order is more quick
@@Striker50_ actually from a performance vehicle standpoint, CVT is inferior. There a reason why many higher performance vehicles avoid using CVT. Nissan uses CVT heavily in almost all their vehicles....except the Z and GTR cars.
Picking up my 2022 N-Line tomorrow - super excited!
Noticed the new styled intros the last few vids. Good stuff!!! 🖖😎👍
It’s crazy how we’ve come to a time where an si gets clapped by an Elantra. Hopefully Honda knows that they’re getting gapped not only in the 1/4 mile but in customers as well. I’ve never seen so many damn Kia’s and Hyundais. They need to make a change next generation and bump up the power a bit imo. If the civic is already losing to the Elantra, I can’t even imagine how bad the integra would compare. Same engine, bigger and heavier car.
Dude it’s an automatic vs manual lmao. Race That civic on a track
Well, the Civic SI doesn't have a automatic option to compare..
Honestly Honda could do a 2.0t like the one in the accord but idk it’s so stupid that they don’t
@@neometalx9 yeah i get that but even on the roll there's no chance even with an auto that the civic catches up.
@@axware7553 yeah i get that but even on the roll there's no chance even with an auto that the civic catches up.
I've watched this video 3 times. As someone who was vascillating between the SI and the N-Line for a while-- it's so satisfying to watch the N-Line take the cake in a drag and roll. The SI is a fun car to drive, but the DCT, the much better interior, and the tech you get for the N-line make it a better value by far-- especially because the N-line is really easy to get at MSRP, whereas every single civic SI dealer I've seen across the country marks it up quite a bit to the point where you're paying thousands more for less performance and less tech. I've always been a Honda fanboy, but Hyundai has stolen my heart with the major strides they've made in the past few years. And I'm not going to debate reliablity-- as I'll get rid of my car in 3-5 years, so I'm not looking for a car to last me past 250k miles or something.
ive found that the dealers mark up less the farther away from a big city you are in have a 2024 model on order with no markups and have an option to take off the dealer accessories. Just gotta know where to look
Bro trust ive gotten the 2023 Hyundai Elantra N line it's obviously not the quickest of cars but for a Hyundai and compare to your basic daily drivers shit hauls ass for a 4 cylinder at that I love it a fun fast family friendly car
@@vincentvagianow-mm1tw yeah I agree, I've owned my Elantra N Line for 5 months now and I've been loving every minute of it. The perfect daily driver with just enough pep in it for me 😎🤘
The si would've won if shifted properly. I've raced n lines and elantra n's . Barely lost to the N
@@wakaisenshiclips7465if you raced an N in the si he wasn’t even trying lol the si is just slow.
Ugh! That rev hang makes me cringe on every shift.
Agreed .. the only way to fix it is purchasing a tune like ktuner. Night and day difference
Agree, It’s bogs down acceleration a bit
Hondata
😢....when I see the Canadian market Si, with all the amenities, in comparison to the decontented US market car. You guys are so lucky.
Absolutely love my 2022 n line, perfect car nice change from the power I got from my 2016 ats I had before I traded. Beyond happy with this car!
I had a 2021 Kia K5 GT-Line and despite the looks, it's terrible for power.
Now I have the 22 Elantra N. Thing is a beast.
@@official_commanderhale965 the only downside I have found out about my nline is the transmission, it absolutely hates the stop and go traffic and is a bit inconsistent off the start. But it LOVES to cruise on the interstate and it sounds great doing it
@@official_commanderhale965 it's not terrible at all. Unless you want to consistently speed or take to the track why bother.
@@mharro88 lol constantly speed or being stuck behind a farm tractor going 15 mph because I can’t zip around it that easily? Lol
Does the boost in speed feel awesome? Yes. Does it bother me that I can still get 40mpg? No.
It’s an overall better car to me as a young guy with no kids.🤷🏻♂️
@@official_commanderhale965 you can't zip around a tractor in something with 200+HP and 150KW? Huh? I would have kept the k5 myself. More refined each to their own
Can you get your hands on the new Kia Forte gt(201hp) to race against all other cars in its class such as Elantra N-line, and civic SI
This would be a good comparison!
Not sure why people in the comments are knocking the SI so much. Yes the Elantra N line and also the Forte GT are great cars but this was not a manual to manual comparison. Also, I would love to see a track run comparison to determine which one has the best over all performance. 1/4 mile run is a small part of the performance test.
It sure is but for some reason that’s all that matters to people, who can go faster in a strait line. Both cars are pretty cool tho
@@slickdaddycc7506 It's all perspective I guess. 99% of people that watch these comparison vids do not go out on track; they don't really care about lap times as they cannot bring that performance to actual road use. There are other factors that are required to paint the whole picture of a car that are omitted from these vids - drivetrain, ride quality, features, reliability etc.
Its because a lot of the videos of the SI are making it look like it is a direct competitor the the ENs VNs GTi Wrx, It is not. The closest competitor is this.
Great car 🚗 Too expensive! $32-34k US. Fail. 😲
@@DQ333 Price. Civic Si is pretty awesome, but expensive. $32k US or more!
That intro blending vehicle bodied into the music was spot on man !
100k and going keep up the content 💯
About as evenly matched as it get can. I fully expected the DCT to win, Elantra gained every time the SI changed a gear.
I'm not convinced that the traction control was turned off in the Elantra because with it on it totally holds back the launch control and with it off there is wheel spin which I did not see !
@@vroomgc I agree. Picked up the Elantra N line back in January with the DCT, and the launch with traction control off is so much different.
@@Nugsy_SiegeI Sam didn't want to upset the Honda army!🤣
Also the Elantra N-line 1.6 Turbo have a great torque end in lower rpm, that help.
Does the traction control off make the Elantra even quicker?
After 54 years of driving from most of the muscle cars of the late 60's and early 70's to the gas saving 4 cylinders of today. I once bought a 98 Honda Civic with a 112 horse (guessing) 4 banger that had a manual transmission. I learned that cars that are low on power and grunt are much more fun to drive with a manual. I always thought of it like this, take for example a Ford Escort with a manual and one with an automatic. Put them beside each other and race, the manual is much more entertaining to drive because you decide how far you want to wind the engine before the next gear change. A one hundred horsepower motor with the A/C on and an automatic transmission would be a slug off the line while the same car with a manual may not be that much faster, it will definitely bring more smiles than the auto gear box. I've owned an estimated 15 vehicles since I was 11 of them were manuals and 4 were automatics, when you decide when to shift it always brings a smile to your face unlike just stomping the go pedal and waiting for the thrust you'll never get. Out of all the manual gearbox cars I've owned, I've only replaced the clutch in two of them and when you know how to use a clutch correctly you don't burn them up. My clutches usually lasted over a hundred thousand miles. On one car the release bearing wore out while the clutch plate material had very little wear. I could replace a clutch in pretty much anything, automatics have just too many little, tiny balls, springs and are just too much for me to deal with, manuals don't have all of that, just a flywheel, pressure plate, clutch plate and release bearing. I've never had much faith in automatic transmissions, just not reliable and just too easy to burn up.
That’s why I love my WRX 2021, Sam...all manual, with 0 automatic stuff on it. Not to be a super fast car, but because it’s fun! Nothing against more automatic and electronic cars, but I still love be more in contact with the car! Thanks for one more very nice video! Cheers!
Interesting results here. You did a race between the previous generation Civic Si against the Nline and the Jetta GLI, and another one against the Nline and Mazda 3 Turbo. The previous generation Civic Si came in 2nd in both races beating out the Nline, behind the Mazda and Jetta. Is this new generation Civic Si that much slower than the previous one it replaces?
Yes. The non si civics of the 10th gen are quicker than the current gen SI
I'm confused it looked like the second race was the civic then the result showed the elantra winning. Well either way impressive race the elantra is awesome. The Si has me super pumped for the 23 type r. It sounds similar just way less power
Yup I noticed that as well, the 2nd race was edited with the first race results to look like the Elantra won smh, this guys race videos are shady.
I notice that too!
@@MikeJones-on9vm lol yeah they are. I think he’s bias.
Exactly, it looked like the civic won race 2, showing both in-car camera perspectives of about 15-16 second each (about the time these cars take to do 1/4 mile.) With the in-car civic view he stopped accelerating indicating the race was over and the N-llne clearly had not passed him, then from the in N-line in-car perspective after about 15 seconds the civic was a good 2 car lengths ahead then the camera cut to a 3rd person view photo finish showing the Elanta N-line magically crossing the line first without passing the civic.
I mean does it this channel think it's viewers are stupid or something?
Yes I notice that too and said wait hold on to replay.
Some sneaky editing going on or a simple mistake.
Good comparison!
After this drag race, the Hyundai needs to get fixed...
hyundai is also 4k less. put those 4k into mods and see what the difference is
I love my elantra. It's only a 2020 preferred but I smoke a lot of civics. I want to see the Sanata in line though or is it too much of a diff?
The Sonata N line would be too big a difference vs the SI. 90 more horsepower, much more torque, plus a more sophisticated powertrain
I know the Honda fanboys are BIG MAD right now. There's no way to justify this defeat, besides the fact the Elantra has a DCT only for the Canadian market. It would be nice to see a manual Elantra in this race for a fair comparison. But overall, I'm very impressed what Hyundai is doing with their brand.
Nah, not really mad at all as a Honda fanboy. New Honda’s just aren’t what they use to be. This 11th Gen has less power than the previous Gen which is pathetic. They went backwards. That’s why I swapped over to the Mazda3 2.5T.
Hyundai & Kia has stepped up their game and I’m happy for them.
It’s pretty obvious a Manual transmission will never beat a DCT
It’s a 1.5t. Not fast stock. But very fast tuned
@@duszy2602 Honda should make a N/A version of the K20C, from the FK8 and fit into this new Civic quicker and more reliable.
I know this comment is old but i was choosing between the elantra N and the 11th gen si and every time i was telling them all the cool features about the new Hyundai its always ends with “ya thats cool but its still a Hyundai” every time. So you can say the choice was obvious.
Do a normal/factory settings run first with all the cars, in this case Hyundai Kia products don't use full power without sport mode
The SI needs a better driver
terrible driver. Anyone that thinks auto is better, needs to stick to auto.
dct proved it was better. lol i shifter as fast as i could. smh
exactly
that was some good shifting and he was power shifting, si couldint be any faster, the hyundai is better
@@onestophobbyspot9350 if you think that was good then you are part of the problem anybody that drag race know that was trash 🗑
@@Em1Kevin
Are you saying that manual is better than modern auto in drag racing?
I love toll booths in my 6 speed elantra n line! So fun to roll through the gears!
I have a 2023 Elantra N DCT and she is quick. Would give my Genesis coupe 3.8 (Intake, headers, exhaust) a run for the money, especially since my Genesis is manual. I wonder how good the 1.6 N-Line is on the track?
My 2023 N-Line has been amazing in almost every way...
My only gripe is that it won't downshift to first gear if you're going above ~10mph.
Mine won’t downshift unless below 15 but if you keep hitting the downshift paddle it will
first manual car? That is literally any manual car. Don't downshift into first gear? Like pretty much ever. Its a low gear and not synchronized either. You will break it. Cheers
@@nastynate9529 his car is DCT...and no almost all 99.9 manuals modern cars have a synchronized 1st gear...but still a straight cut reverse gears
its to protect the gear, the 2017-19 elantra sport DCT would be iffy if you downshifted to first it got super jerky so i guess thats how they combatted that
Update:
I figured out that it will in fact downshift to 1st gear at up to 20mph, IF you let completely off the accelerator first.
My favorite thing to do now is get up to 15mph in 2nd gear, let off the gas, drop to first, and punch it.
🏎️💨
And just think, the Acura Integra will have the same power train as the Si, and be heavier. 🤦♂️
What is Honda doing?
It will not have more than 100lb extra, so...quite the same weight. Put a K-Tuner ond it and adios Elantra N Line.
@@Eugen-E how about we tune the elantra too ??? You dont make any sens lmao
@@blooddrunk1432 Engine from Elantra does not have the same tuning potential 🙂, is not as fuel efficient and the DCT is problematic. Honda was, is and will be better.
@@Eugen-E What are you talking about? Just by adding the Gts race chip to the 1.6T, Hyundai or Kia, you add 45hp and 80 pft....That's just one of the many possibility, the less complicated...for 500.00$
@@Frank-hg9rl Check MAPerformance. 45hp ? Go home, you're drunk.
Civic SI in Canada is $4000 (add tax to that) more; and that is with the Manual vs DCT. Also, it is $1400 (again add tax to that) more to upgrade the Civic to the same warranty as the Elantra. So they are competitors, but certainly not on price with the Civic close to having a 20% higher price.
Love it, finally someone compare this two
I'm not even a Hyundai/Kia fan, but once again we see that the Civic Si is an overrated car. For this year it actually loses power and turns in slower performance.
Edit: Don't get me wrong, the Honda certainly feels better, drives better, and in fact is a superior car to the Elantra. But is Honda showing early signs of going full Nissan? The styling went from origami/Transformers bizarre to Camry/Jetta bland. Toyota seems to be pulling out of their low performance disease of the earlier 2000's, and it seems every car maker goes through phases, much like a teenager. Time will tell. I'm not bagging on Honda or the Civic, just think the Civic Si (no, not the Type R of course) has long been overrated. That's all.
It's been proven on the dyno that the civic si actually produces more than its 200hp. It's not about being fast, it's about handling and undoubtedly beats the elantra in that regard. Plus the aftermarket support is stronger for the civic if you want to get more power out of it.
The SI is really not what it used to be, I mean the si had 200 hp 15 years ago it's not really keeping up now is it?
@@kyron2092 agreed, and I did an edit about this. 👍
@@IRaoulDuke yeah that is true. I feel like it should have about 225 hp and tq.
@@fredzeppelin3969 yeah, I see where your coming from though. I think the si should have more power and Honda should've pushed the envelope in the power department. It handles well and has a good manual. But 225 hp and tq would've bee the icing on the cake. Sure it probably wouldn't hook up too well from a dig, but highway passing power is equally if not more important in my book
An old Acura RSX Type-S also makes 200 HP and it’s way more fun to drive. I don’t know why Honda doesn’t just slap in a Turbo K24 into the Civic Si.
K series is for the type r, and it gets a turbo K series (although not a K24)
That's because the last si's were the 8th gens
@@ivanfredoo5863 Amen. 8thgen peak Honda. I may die with mine. If I could spend 24k for exactly the same car new. Id do it tomorrow. Never driven anything else that feels as perfect and tactile in every dynamic
I gapped my friends 04 rsx type s im stock and he’s modified with k tuner full exhaust etc. yall on too much copeamine
Any Elantra N versus videos?
What do you expect from DCT vs Manual with similar power and weight? Its like braking contest between one equipted with an ABS and the other without. However, as always good video presentation.
Race Starts At 4:02
Not all heroes wear capes..
Can you do an IS350 f sport vs a Kia stinger? Or g70
A 3.3t Stinger and G70?
I’m a current owner of 2020 G70 3.3t, my previous car 2017 IS350.
Performance is not even close. 3.3t is MUCH faster
the new base stinger 2.5t would smoke the is350. i think the g70 is still using the 2.0t. the is350 might smoke it.
@@closg9309 trust me I know. I just want to see g70 or stinger kick that is350 ass
I am a honda fan, but im curious of trying a new make, if going to Acura or Hyundai🤔
This the race we wants thanks sam (accord 1.5T vs sonata 1.6T)
That was a fun race I'm glad the Hyundai won nicely.. it used to be a stick shift was for more performance but in the days of the newer transmissions not so much.
The second run I wondered my grandmother was driving 😁.
Manuals haven't had more performance than dual clutches for a very long time. They won't even outperform a good auto.
While true, theres also a pretty big load of problems that the DCTs experience. If you want to deal with that. Manuals are still much more basic and have far less problems, and imo, far more fun. Performance wise, yeah DCT clearly owns a manual.
Nice runs you should try the 2022 Kia Forte gt manual vs dct if you can find them!
The DCT will win 9/10 of the time my friend. A good friend of mine have a manuel 2020 and me a 2020 dct. As you can imagine, we have done the test many time...😁 Pretty fun .....💰
Theres no manual in canada so that video is never gonna happen.
@@Frank-hg9rl The DCT is naturally faster with the gear ratios.
However, the manuals can hold more power before blowing up. :)
I've heard of driver mod, but passenger mod??
When will you race an Elantra N?
Wow, Honda has really gone down hill.
Type r isnt even out yet, this si also has less hp than last gen for some reason
The new Si has less HP than not just last gen, but the gen before that, too.
Let that sink in.
Yes! Shifting like your life depends on it!
still slow shifts tho chief hes letting the clutch out wayyy too late...
@@fry.master it'd be really difficult to outshift a dct, he got it taken care of on that second race.
But sure, there's always someone who could shift faster.
@@MrGunzngirlz ofc ofc and these are new cars, potentially someone watching the video’s cars, so can’t go full force I guess. I’d love to see someone properly bang it through the gears tuned, though
@@MrGunzngirlz And driving that hard, you'll be ending with some gaz in the oil......like many experimented with the 1.5T
So who won race 2?
Didn't the Civic si win round 2? Why does it show the Elantra winning at the end? Correct me if I'm wrong.
That's exactly what I saw. He was winning then the cone showed the elantra but I never saw the elantra in the window. Strange.
I had a feeling the Nline was going to win. Also, did the drive use the boost button?
...boost button, as in the "N Grin Shift" button the Elantra N's have?
The N Line doesn't have this button. Though there is a way to get the N Line to get moving a bit better than what the video shows, it's through the traction control button rather than anything to do with boost.
@@danieln.9638 I keep seeing this, but how??? Place in sport mode and take traction control off? What am I missing??? This may make me think more highly of my N-line with DCT…….
Just noticed the Elantra N-Line was running with winter tires in this face off. Pause the video @ 0:29. Interesting. Based on a different video from Sam, it looks like the Si was also running with winter tires, too?
OMG thanks for this haha... I have one and I can't even stick to real dry surface when I accelerate with winter tire...
If I remember correctly the DCT Nline comes with winters standard and the manual comes with summers.
@@ericespejo8835 In US, DCT comes standard with all-season tires. Manual transmission comes equipped with summer tires. Might be different for Canada?
Please Elantra N DCT vs Type R.
Yep the zero time lag between gears makes a difference but the Elantra has a double sport mode with the 7spd DCT transmission. I don’t know if the Canadian version has that but my Elantra n line does. Makes a difference with you do that and paddle shift to rev limit. Plus some mild tuning. It’s kind of a rocket for a 1.6t. Even gives my bros 2022 Elantra N a hard time in N mode. I pull on him for at least 4 going into 5 gear from a dead stop. His is still all stock. My n line has a cold air intake, much better lubricant treatments better plugs not saying the type but not your typical plugs, downpipe custom made at a friends shop and intercooler co2 cool kit. Sixth element engine mount. Michelin cup tires.
😊mild tune.
Excellent video, Sam! Thank you for doing this friendly face-off. The Honda Civic Si is still a great car. However, I think this video demonstrates and really puts a "nail to the coffin" that the Hyundai Elantra N-Line is the best vehicle in its class. The Civic Si has the LSD and thought it would make the biggest impact. I'm surprised. I'm very surprised. I suspect if Canada had the Elantra N-Line in manual transmission and you were to do the face-off between manual vs manual transmission, I think it would be a much closer race. However, I bet that the Hyundai Elantra N-Line would slightly pull ahead as it looks like it has better torque and pulls a bit stronger at higher RPM. I have the Elantra N-Line in manual transmission as it is available here in the US. I love it and it is my first Hyundai purchase. Again, thank you for adding this vehicle to your awesome channel. Watching this video just confirms, for me, that I made a great choice in my car purchase; performance on a budget. For best in class under $30k, Hyundai Elantra N-Line WINS. Elantra N-Line is priced around $25k with 10yr/100k warranty. Nevertheless, both are great vehicles.
what is there to be surprised about, lsd only helps at launch after that its up to the gear ratios and shifting. But the reason LSD is so sought after is that it helps in corners, it is important especially in fwd cars, so civic takes the win for me in handling and fun factor due to manual trans and LSD
Manual to manual the Civic would win probably, the only reason it was getting caught was the DCT because it makes a huge difference. Honda claimed no power bump, for the new generation Civic but the power curve is way better, and manual to manual the old Civic Si is faster than a N-Line Elantra. Also the LSD means the Civic would eat the Hyundai around any corners because of the LSD traction.
Great decision to buy the Elantra N-Line, but I would argue that it's platform mate, the Kia Forte GT is an even better value, and includes things the N-Line doesn't offer, like LED headlights. I would love to see the Forte GT vs the Elantra N-Line on this channel. #savethemanual
Agreed, I had a 2019 DCT ILX and it's so silky smooth n quite enjoyable 😉
Do you know how to launch a turbo manual? You have too spool up the turbo by revving the engine to redline engage the clutch for a split second depress the clutch and then dump it, I guarantee you will be amazed.
@samscarlegion awesome vid man would like to see More compact cars 🚗
nice drag sam. i just dont like new hyundai's faces. i believe the old ones have a better looks.
The messed up part is the 2019 sonata is the 2017-2018 Elantra body
Finally someone said it. I thought I was the only one who felt that way.
A 17/18 Elantra Sport body with the N powertrain would be LOVE.
@@josephhodges718 if it makes u feel better theres the i20 N with a 201hp 1.6t. i got a mate that likes to think they are the same and i dont agree or disagree cause i havent driven the elantra
@@CurtissB i20 is n-line equivalent. 1.6L turbo 201hp/195tq. My 2017 Elantra Sport has the same gamma engine. The N cars are 2.0L Turbos that make roughly 275 hp stock. Totally different :)
Now for all the other "auto reviewers" out there that is still trying so hard to hype up the 22 Civic Si and match it against the New BRZ/GR86, GTi, WRX, Elantra N etc as its main "competitor" watch this! It cant even beat this N-Line. Smh. Do something like this first before making all the assumptions. BTW this civic has 200whp stock at dyno.
That's because those people take thier cars to a proper track, and don't do stupid psuedo racing like highways pulls
@@daphenom45 doesnt matter, they should know that this Si is not in the same category as the other cars they trying to put it as. Thats why the price on this Si is thru the roof. I mean the Si is great, Id want one, but to overhype it and put it as a competitor to cars above it category is bs. You think itll beat the N, WRX etc on track? Hell no bro.😅
Already is.. Si is top tier auto X and it's even beating type R depending on drivers. Full circuit it's behind on power but you don't realize what handling does for actual racing, the elantra is not even close.
@@Nitek09Z Not really fair to compare to N-line. It's 25k, manual. Civic Si is pretty awesome, but it's $32k or more. That's a big price gap!
@@pss0520 hate to bust your victory lap but a 2017 Si is faster than the 2015 WRX in C&D lighting lap. WRX understeers greatly, again don't expect much "car" people to know that while sitting in parking lots and doing donuts in intersections.
'23 US spec N-Lines are DCT only.Still a joy to drive even at stock.
I wonder which one handles better
So much fun to watch! Love hearing the revs and exhaust! Hope to see it in all the videos 👍 Those Honda manual transmissions are like butter. I'll take the Si for more fun and enjoyment even if it's slower. Can always tune/mod it to go faster.
Elantra N can beat civic si too
@@Soul_Flow_ cool but with most roads speed limit is 50-70km/h so kind of useless. I would take the car that is more entertaining at low speeds.
@@nighthawk0077 speed limit is just a suggestion.
@@nighthawk0077 The Elantra and Veloster N are more entertaining than a Type R around town. The SI is not even in the race. The rev hang alone is a deal breaker in that car.
For real, love a car you can push to its limits on the streets. My 2011 GTI only had 200hp but it was possibly the most fun car I've ever driven
I have the Elantra N line with a manual, it is surprisingly quick! Lots of torque! The Si costs thousands more but you get less performance.
LETS GO SONOTA N!
Less performance lol. Better build quality and parts in every dept inside and out and historically way more reliable plus all the aftermarket support? I'll take the si.
Where do you get the idea that the SI cost thousands more? On the websites, the SI starts at 27k and Elantra N starts at 32k. It seems the opposite.
@@nartin86 The Elantra N line is 25-26 k, it has 201 hp and competes with the Civic Si...the full blown Elantra N is 32k and competes with the Civic Type R.
@@Greeneggsandham3 The Civic Si 1.5 turbo has oil dilution issues, not good.
I do love these vids, do not get me wrong. However…nothing but straight line drags. Props to Sam for mentioning that the Civic would be great on a course with turns, he gets it. But many of the comments suggest that course driving is irrelevant. - A course - or real day to day driving - could completely turn the tables where this comparison is concerned. Or even many other comparisons involving the new Civic si. I would bet the lsd and suspension mating would prove harder to beat on a course.
Just a few bolt ons + tune on those 1.6 in the elantra are no joke, you can make 300 wheel easy. But the no Lsd kind of ruins it, the car has to be pointed straight if u want to punch it
Sweet, great match up. I would to pick up the new si for a daily fun car with my maverick 👍👍👍
Great match
We need someone from the U.S to get their ass up to Canada and make the 6Speed face off possible!
It will be interesting to see how the new Integra handles the Elantra N and even the Si .
From what I've read the si has the same motor as the Integra
The N will smoke that integra.
i have a 2022 elantra n line manual, it also came stock witha white pinstripe and even after looking it up i cant find a picture of one that came with it so now im wondering if the dealership just put it on lol, i got it with 12 miles on it
All dealerships put on the pinstripes. No car come with that stock.
@@r3games1985 oh i didnt kno that lol
The design on that elantra is so futuristic 😍😍
Sure, but they are still uninspired to drive.
@@applepoop10 have you driven a elantra n?
@@applepoop10 Take it easy there... Not everyone has the means to purchase a race car.
They are! They come with the door dent integrated into the design!
sarcasm aside, they are interesting looking
@@applepoop10 don't be a hater guys. Y'all might be Honda fans but why would you hate on well engineered piece of automobiles lol. Both are awesome cars and thanks both Honda and Hyundai for making these.
The Honda Civic Si needs to offer a 10 speed automatic option or a DCT for non manual driving car buyers if they want to stay competitive in sales against the DCT Volkswagon Jetta GLi, Kia Forte GT, and Hyundai Elantra N-Line. The “manual-only” enthusiast mindset is clearly losing them marketshare. Don’t even try to bring up the CVT Acura Integra because that’s just an $5000 overpriced Civic Si Hatchback.
I have a 6spd Nline, super fun car to drive!
What?, it looked like the civic won race 2 both from the perspective from the Civic and N-nline racing for about 15sec each(about the duration of the drag race) with the civic being in front by a decent margin then the camera cut to a 3rd person perspective at the finish line Elanta N-line magically crossing the line first without passing the civic? I think you'll have to explain yourself here?
Wow this one was a bit of a shocker. Hyundai did right by poaching the BMW guy.
As a 2022 Hyundai Elantra N-Line with DCT, I am very surprised at the results! I wanted a Si, but I’m glad I got the Hyundai!!
I was going to get another Hyundai but the engine blew at 56k miles. I’ll see if the si can live up to Honda reliability
@Ed Findlay just cold air intake and cat back exhaust
Whoops! You showed the result of the first roll race--- BEFORE the actual roll race was shown! Lolol
Honda uses DCTs in the ILX. Why isn't it available for the CIvic that shares the same platform?
Civic SI has always been manual only.
Civic Si is an awesome 🚗 but, dang $32-34k US or more. Too expensive. Everyone gets so wrapped up in the minor differences in performance, straight line, track, ect. 99% people aren't pushing their cars to the limit every day. Most people just want a fun car that handles and rides nice. N-line does that @$26k.
You forgot the 5/100 waranty my friend!! 👍That's exactly what i feel. Not that the SI is not a good car, it's simply to much expensive ! Hyundai/Kia does better for less ..Alot less..
Honda will have much better resale value...
@@pascalleduc1735 In the past i would agree with you. But less today....My step dauther sold her base Elantra 2 months ago, it was a 2020, automatic, and she had almost the price she paid 2 years ago. But yes, in most situations, Honda have a better resale value....You're right.🤙
the elantra dct actually weighs over 3,000lbs and honda underrates the civic's power output by like 30 horses (around 230bhp). so, i'm more impress with the elantra. even though it was slower out of the hole, it caught and pass the civic. plus, it won the roll race.
the stock 11 gen dynoed at 207 whp
i think manual turbo economy cars with around 200hp are slow until you add an auto trans to them. while it's the opposite for NA cars. you need to make the right transmission that will best suit the engine. So, turbo economy cars work well with auto trans. while, naturally aspirated economy cars work well with manuals.
@@jstreampc5132 Auto transmission ? You're not thinking cvt i hope? DCT is always faster....you're right. Could you imagine that the new Integra will have a cvt...What a shame..👎🤮
@@Frank-hg9rl In terms of acceleration, sad to say, a cvt civic Si would be faster than a manual. The regular 1.5t from the 10th gen was faster with a cvt than a manual. That’s what Honda offers (cvt) so that’s what I’ll say. If Honda offered the 8-9gens NA with auto, they wouldn’t be as fast compared to a manual. The NA accord was faster with a manual than the auto. Miata is faster with manual. The NA Gr86 or brz Is faster with a manual than and auto. Elantra n line, forte gt, gt I, gli (all turbos) are faster with autos
@@jstreampc5132 In my book, you can't put cvt and sport in the same phrase👎👎👎It sound like a freeking snowmobile !!!🌨☃️
Would love to see Hyundai Elantra N-Line vs Kia Forte GT. Winner races Honda Civic Si
You should race it against the 2018 Elantra Sport ,this car is available WITH manual Transmision in Canada ,the same engine 201 Hp/195 Torque like the 2022 Elantra N-line
It'll be a bummer when the Elantra n-line is walking the new Integra. The Elantra N would absolutely destroy it.
yeah extra 75hp in the N. a bit slower than type R but looks and sounds awesome. id probably take the type r hahah
That’s the base Integra not the Type S
@@CurtissB it beats the type r on track easy
Automatic gearboxes have really come a long way...now they're even faster than manual!
Well duh.
Not fun, certainly but faster.
dude you're late. automatics have been faster then manuals since the 2000's
what difference transmission changed anything?? The manual did great out of the hole. Shifts only change 0.1 of a second. Horsepower and top end make the difference on rolling races especially
Good video but to me, victory to the Hyundai as expected
This new Si is really proving itself in auto X as a top tier pick and depending on driver besting many type R and more. It obviously is down on power for full circuit tracks but my 22 Si with dp/fmic and e30 tune is already much faster than any eleantra besides the N.
I have 22 si as well what Is fmic?
@@donnywilderness front mount intercooler. I have PRL downpipe/frontpipe/intercooler/flexfuel kit/ktuner 21 psi e30 tune/whiteline rear sway bar/tein s tech springs/18x9.5 SSR gtx01 wheels/ 255/35r18 continental extreme contact sport tires.
Well not that True, I have a tune and intake on my n line. 0-100kph in 5.7s.
@@teamhyperplasia1368 while the elantra does have a few options for aftermarket support the civic has endless upgrade parts, tuners and the aftermarket is huge. There are 10 second 10th gen (1.5t) civic Si something that the N line and even the fully fledged N just won't accomplish. And that's just talking quarter mile. When it comes to actual racing it's just not even close.
@@Nitek09Z I wasnt talking about full race car, civic and elantra are normal car. I was just saying for normal car (daily driver) I like more the performance of the n line. While getting 5.8 l/100km beating it.
Do a Corolla TRD vs GTI please.
Why one of my type choices for my next vehicle is between the Toyota GR86 or the Hyundai Elantra N
Can you make a video of the Forte gt against these two!! It has about the same hp as the Honda I think
I would say yes (I have a Forte GT) but honestly, the Elantra Nline is basically the same car.
That si Is fast for a manual transmission but nothing beats DCT
Does brake boosting the DCT help the1.6t Hyundai with the 7sp in any car seem awful off the line. with a manual handbrake I could revving DCT on the HB and dropping it maybe . Even without an LSD it could use some revs coming out of the whole and then it pulverize the Honda.
the real race is DCT vis Honda CVT . The MT Honda beats a MT 1.6t Hyundai , I have one and they are stupid cars to drag race in reality and launching them is kind of goody in any situation but I do know that launching or even rolling into full throttle in 1st can cause bad spin and tramping and wheel hop in the Hyundai and in that regard the Honda has a giant advantage drag racing even if I think drag racing 200hp cars is goofy and not their purpose of where they shine which is decent power and ability to cave a road up pretty good and have just enough power to feel fast in regular driving if your adept at keeping the car in the right gear / power band .Basically just enough power to enjoy the manual and shift more cause you gotta be in the right gear and for my hyundai you can't hit 60 in second gear , I think it's like 54 mph and shifting earlier is better as by 55 your past peak near limiter , . but you gotta be on your toes in both these cars for gear selection and know the engine well to pick the right gear compared to a powerful car . I love my 1.6t shockingly as I never thought I would say that about a tiny engine with only 200 hp pushing 3000lbs as I am used to more like double pushing similar weight or at least way more low torque , but because you can ring them out all the time without doing 150 MPH they are amusing to downshift Rev match and find the sweet spots . Also pretty fond of way my 1.6t sounds in cabin as I have never enjoyed 4 cyl sound beside maybe MY STi and although not particularly loud in cabin it's a pretty nice noise when your on it . Back in the day 4 CYL cars sounded awful , buzzy , whiney and like they were going to come apart in this class of car .
When the 2022 Honda Civic Type R comes out there needs to be a 2022 Hyundai Elantra N vs 2022 Honda Civic Type R. The Hyundai Elantra N line and N are two different models for those that don’t know
I have already run my friends Elantra N DCT! In my 2021 CTR. We were pretty dead even with me shifting my ass off! I’m a bigger guy but like I said it was a great run both stock up to 150+! You could tell as I stopped shifting up top I had a small advantage but that Elantra N is so much faster than the Veloster N top end power!
Hyundai/Kia please reveal a nice looking “affordable” sporty EV sedan or hatchback soon.
Exactly. I want an EV gti/si style hatchback so bad.
@@Kevin-xz4jq Kona EV is basically a hatchback, just needs the N version
@@Kevin-xz4jq They make the Golf GTE in Europe which is a hybrid GTI essentially. It’d be great if we could see that come to the States.
Ioniq 3. I don't know about affordable, but it should be around $30ish K after tax credits. Also Hyundai is considering leasing the batteries like Nio does in China and that could lower the price by over another $5k...
Watching the beginning ads right now but I’m calling it SI loses, reason I say this is because the 11th gen civics have been slower than last generation all across the board despite using the same powertrain
I'm curious as to how a 6 speed Elantra N-Line would fair. I have a 21 with a 6 Speed manual, and I absolutely love the thing.
I wish the N-line was spec'd with the 6MT for an apples to apples comparison. Nice to see anyways
Im surprised with the results here Honda should be ashamed of their selves that five extra horsepower they took away made it so the elantra n takes the win I feel like the 10th GEN si would’ve definitely won against both of these.
The Dct transmission obviously is the Elantras winning card ..
Even manual I think N would win
Everyone is getting worked up that the Si lost but when has the Si ever been made for straight line races? The Si has always been an affordable canyon carver. The Si will always have more character and be fun to drive over the Elantra for sure so I'm not too concerned about this.
@@ericdrobnick1942 yes it’s a great car, I agree it always has been the handling performance has been improved over the years for sure !
.. I’ve had three different generations Honda Civic SI I could very Confidently tell you there is a noticeable power loss this generation aside from that yes all is great
@@SamCarLegion agreed!! I wanted a manual in mine. But if I can learn something new about the DCT, might be glad I got it.
@@ericdrobnick1942 Ah yeah it's not. I've driven both and the Elantra n-line is more refined and fun to drive