Why Being Toxic to Others is Toxic for You
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Ill take this as dating advice.
Every Gem video is dating advice
don't shout slurs at your partner
@@skyguy1236 I will try shouting slurs at my partner and let you know how it goes to see if this advice is good
Please don't just dunk the fish and move on with your life
thats what it always comes back to lol
And this is why I don't like the "Skill issue" mentality. Because a situation where one team will be extremely disrespectful and unsportsmanlike will be understood to be the other teams fault for not being skilled enough, and telling them to just use that experience to get better. But you can't learn anything if you get splatted the second you set foot on the field.
Eh not the same at all. People use “skill issue” against people who are failing and blaming others or the game for it. Like, “this game is bad, it’s so poorly balanced. My weapon of choice literally can’t win!” … “skill issue” no one says skill issue to people with a legit point.
@@MysteriousStranger50 Well when this video in particular was posted on Twitter, the replies were mainly "Skill issue", "Got outskilled", "Boohoo, just play better"
"Skill issue" to someone who's not willing to reflect on themselves is perfectly fine. But I've seen so many people use that phrase to justify that particular toxic behavior, it just comes off as extremely toxic in my opinion for this reason
@@nelliaelRight. It’s exactly as was said. The word “toxic” is so broadly used that people will roll their eyes upon hearing it.
Same idea when saying “Skill issue”. An actual skill issue is when a player loses against someone else that just flat out outranks them. Or someone that doesn’t reflect on what they can do to improve.
It gets thrown around too often and loses meaning of what the words literally mean.
There is a point in telling people they need to blame other factors less and take more responsibility for their own losses and problem solve to improve, but I do also think "skill issue" isn't a particularly sensitive way to say it and the way it's used is much more to dunk on someone than to make good faith criticism.
"Skill issue" is just the HD remaster of "git gud"
A couple days ago, I had a turf war match where a good Explosher player ended up teaching me how to shark. To clarify, they were on the enemy team, and I was a tri-slosher, and I saw that they were good enough at hitting directs and zoning me out that I couldn't just rush in as I usually do. So I actually adapted to their playstyle and began concealing information from them to try and get a leg up.
It was a loss, but it was a close one--and one I came away from feeling good about.
Nice job, bud
similar thing happened to me when i came back to splatoon 2 for a bit. since last playing the game i had improved a lot and ended up matchmaking with people who were the same skill level as way back when i just started out. i was playing a pretty aggressive shooter and often used the technique where you shoot the floor in front of you, swim, and repeat so youre always moving. later on in the same game i saw another player on the enemy team pick up that same technique and effectively use it against our team. i absolutely loved seeing the guy take the situation he was in (with me often rushing in and escaping their shots) and turn it into a learning opportunity instead of splatting me once and squidbagging
nice job on doing the same thing. i find that experience is often the best teacher there is
On twitter, it was really upsetting seeing a competitive player flat out say “it brings me joy to know i made your day worse by doing this to you”. But why? Why do you genuinely take pleasure in bringing others down like that? We’re all we have, why take that bully dynamic into a setting that’s explicitly meant to be fun? That kind of talk just brought my spirit down, I don’t get how this is a philosophy some people are 100% comfortable with having. Surely they don’t take this attitude to real life?
Some people it’s the highest platform they’ll ever get to and feel the joys of looking down on others. Pretty sad really but people goin’ be people.
...That's just messed up
Twitter is FULL of people who adopt this same bully mentality, among both immature minors and stunted adults.
it's bc humans are sociopathic beings
Waa waa cry about it it’s obviously a joke and it’s just a game softy
Broke: Artificially extending match while spawn-camping to assert dominance.
Woke: Disabling your own weapons, running at the enemy stuck in an A-pose and yelling, "Need a dispenser here!" to assert dominance.
ERECTING A DISPENSER! _tacticooler jingle_
"POOTIS SPENCER HERE"
TF2 definitely has Splatoon beat in unique ways to be passive lol
The point about close losses really resonated with me. I'll take one absolute nail-biter of a match that ends in a loss by a single point than over 25 complete stomps any day of the week.
exactly. it actaully gets pretty boring if you're just winning easily for 5 matches in a row but the moment i get a team that is on my level and we get that really close back and forth tug of war... so much fun.
You know a good loss when you got one when you can learn something from the opponent and you could respect them for it.
I think the most disturbing tweet was the one that said “this is why I love spawncamping people like you”
Like I was seriously concerned for the person who said that…..
I REMEMBER SEEING THAT HELP?? they were trying too hard to be cool and unique fr
u know how a lot of people make ‘good’ choices in video games bc they dont wanna be mean to the npcs even if it has no consequences?? yeah that person was the opposite of that. like yeah ofc other people dont really need to take this game that seriously but why are u going out of ur way to antagonise them. doesnt rlly paint u in a good light either
He really thought that tweet was a pwn? Maximum soy right there.
I remember seeing someone writing a whole comment about how happy it made them to know they ruined someone's day and made them cry.
Like oh, so cool! That's definitely normal behavior! I'm sure you have lots of friends that love you if you act like this!
I mean im all for spawncamping in turf but jeez lol
@@_ghostfly "I REMEMBER SEEING THAT HELP" in what world does it help anyone
I thought we all learned as kids how important "good sportsmanship" was. I learned it was about being a "good winner" as much as a "good loser." It's in all of our best interests, as a tribal species, to keep all competition good natured. That way, we function as a single community, and that is how we have survived as a species.
Me watching the African wild dogs utilize team strats and running double splash
me watching the clan of 80+ hyenas playing 20 dipers, 20 splashes, 20 ballpoints and 20 nzaps/tri nouveaus
@@ravioliburritochampion1610I'd rather run something like 20 tetras over 20 splashes if you're gonna run 20 ballpoints tbh
@@therobloxiangang3218i feel like 15 dipers and 15 splashes would be fine, allowing for 10 tetras
Meta slaves dude, you can't escape them literally anywhere
Expected wild animal behavior. Metagaming. Cheetahs put all their level up points in speed, and GIraffes on height.
In before, “This is also dating advice.”
Referring to that Twitter video you mentioned at the beginning, I think what I don't like the most of the discussion that derived from it is people who expect you to play the game only if you're good at it at the level of competitive players. They don't blame other teams for being unnecessarily cruel and dragging the thing on, they blame YOU because you didn't immediately know what to do, because you didn't immediately track all of them down and splat them, completely ignoring the fact they're splatting you the moment you land on the battlefield.
How are you supposed to take it as a learning experience if you don't have the opportunity to put your knowledge in action and check what you're missing? Everyone is different, for some people matches like that can motivate them to become better but for other people, like me, being bullied relentlessly like this doesn't get us motivated, if anything it makes us want to abandon the game and leave the community.
What motivates us is being defeated while playing fairly, even if it's an immediate knockout. THAT teaches something, spawnbullying doesn't.
I just wish people were more understanding and kind instead of trying to be high school bullies in their 20s.
It's not the point of this video, but I think this also why Turf War really needs a knockout condition. I think the main reason spawn camping is complained about it because the majority of the playerbase are casuals that just play Turf War. In Turf War, spawn camping as hard as possible for as long as possible is both optimal and indirectly encouraged by design. So there, the line between spawn camping because it's how to win and doing it for dominance or other stupid reasons is blurry. The victims in Turf War aren't going to know the difference and feel like it was a display of dominance regardless of the actual intent. That needs to change. If there was a knockout condition, at least those playing in good faith can end it sooner for everyone's sake.
Or just make the maps better
I don't think the spawn camping would rationally carry over to the other game modes, because there the objective to win is clear. But I do know it can be really annoying to get pushed back into base, and I feel bad when I end up keeping the enemy team in their base.
That being said, I wish that the other modes were part of splatfest! All of them, including salmon run. That way everyone's favorite mode is involved, because there are so many issues with Turf war and it makes splatfests way less fun imo.
@@undefinederror40404 4man spawncamping is also rational in zones after capping the zone, and it can sorta work in the other modes, but also play objective and if your doing it finish them off as quick as posible
@@R8Spike 4man spawncamp in zones is an all-or-nothing offense, so the second the opponents break through your team or take you out, they get a free run at the zones (keep in mind that if you splat them, they basically don't lose any ground, but if they splat/trade even just one of your teammates, that player goes all the way back to your spawn). It only works if your team can consistently keep up the pressure and hold the ground on the enemy, and I've seen so many situations where a team has tried to spawncamp, gets wiped, the enemy team pushes up and caps the zone, and the campers get slapped with a nasty penalty. Not saying people don't/can't do it, but it's not an optimal strat, and it's even less so for any of the other modes unless it's a 3man spawncamp while your forth rides the tower/carries the rainmaker in. For Clams it's practically useless because if you have the enemy on the ropes, everyone should be cycling to gather clams to KO the game.
The latter half of this video would make for a great criticism of the Andrew Tate community. Thanks squid school.
once again i love how this channel lays out how wonderful and unique splatoon’s community is for a competitive game. it’s also a wish of mine that this behavior doesn’t catch on. there wouldn’t be so many amazing people in the scene if it did early on 😅
I know this isn’t about any specific event (besides the spawn camping thing) this is a timely video. Don’t know why people have to be so mean to people. It’s just a squid game.
SQUID GAME?!??!!!??!
Sadistic behavior, that’s what.
It’s particularly funny that people act like this in _Splatoon_ of all games. “I AM THE ALPHA MALE BECAUSE I PWNED YOU IN THE CUTE SQUID GAME!”
@@Dreigonix All fandoms have some toxic part.
@@KaffeineAddict Yep…
I was at a Smash local yesterday and the vibe was great. People complementing both peoples abilities and in the moment plays etc…, both in tournament and in friendlies and people just laughing to say “Lmao I messed up” instead of getting angry at it.
“Just dunk the fish and move on with your life”
Gem-2023
Nice vid. It’s lack of sportsmanship like this that always pushes me away from getting into the competitive scene, but I guess that’s also a fault of mine assuming every competitive interaction is going to end like this.
It wouldn’t surprise me if people act like this because there’s not much else they’re good at or they’ve got nothing else going for them in their daily lives. I think that for someone whose whole world is playing this game, they’ve got to keep winning to validate themselves, you know? And when winning isn’t enough, you’ve got to make others feel bad about losing.
Like you said, in people’s quests to assert dominance in a video game of all things, people like this just end up pushing potential teammates/friends away from themselves and the competitive scene.
If it helps, this mindset isn't common in comp
it was satisfying to watch gem make a mistake (1:07) and then learn from it the following game (7:20)
This is also why the Splatoon series does not keep track of how many times Player A splatted-or assisted in spatting-Player B in a row without Player B splatting-or assisting in splatting-Player A. In certain first person shooters, if Player A accomplishes this feat four times in a row, the game announces that Player A is DOMINATING Player B. On Player B's screen, Player A is labeled as a NEMESIS and always visibly labeled (unless using some stealthy item or tactic). Player A's character even delivers a specific taunt to Player B's character. Here are some Splatoon-friendly versions of them:
V-WIPER: (to HYDRA) Hey, Octo-fatty! Those lard-filled arteries don't stop ink, do they?
S-BLAST: This is MY turf! You are NOT WELCOME on my turf!
MACHINE (to C-JR.) Go on and build more o' yer little toys, lad! I'll shove every one of them up your bass!
HYDRA: What sick squid sends SQUISHIES (infant Inklings) to fight me?
C-JR.: (to V-WIPER) How'd that plan turn out for ya, dummy?
ZAP: Vould you like a second opinion? You are also ugly!
E-LITER: (to ZAP) Too slow, Medicine Woomy!
CARBON: (to ZAP) You are such a bad supporter! (laughs)
Only after Player B splats-or assists in splatting-Player A is Player B said to get REVENGE against Player A and the NEMESIS tag removed from Player B's screen.
Sounds like fun? The problem with this system in Splatoon is that it can distract a player from the real objective and tilt them on a futile hunt for revenge. In a four-player team, having even one player distracted from the objective by a personal impulse can prevent the team from taking, extending, or holding a lead.
This is why Haunt is detrimental in solo queue heh heh heh.
@@malcovich_games Some competitive players use Haunt to keep track of certain opponents without actively trying to splat them. For example, if a Carbon Deco or Wiper user got splatted by an opposing E-liter user, Haunt will allowing them to avoid any sightlines the latter might control. If communication is being used, they can also relay this information to teammates.
NOVA: (unintelligible yet smug cephalopod gargling)
this is a good video for my question, how can I practice being this "always good mood" kind of player in solo queue when there is no team interaction,or someone to joke with, as playing alone, I end up tilting just myself
There's a lot of questions that go into answering that, but I think the best way to start is to make sure you never, ever take your losses or wins personally. Gem mentions that there are many ways to enjoy the game, and that even when it's a training exercise, it can be a positive experience. But that's because when you are playing to learn, there is great value in every loss, sometimes even more than a victory. Losing is a great opportunity to study from, and examine all the events that led to that result.
And I know that humility and patience are far from the easiest things to ask from a person, but they are great skills if you can find yourself with them. So if you ever start finding yourself getting upset, you have to admit your feelings to yourself and make some changes before it gets any worse. Taking a break, even though it can feel like admitting defeat, can give you the time you need to adjust your perspective and realize that you don't want to be upset, and realize that you have the strength to change that. Changing your goal can also help, like in Gem's recent short about tilt weapons. Removing yourself from the goal or mindset that made you upset can be helpful in letting go of your anger.
That question is a really good question for a lot of people in my experience whose answers can be talked about beyond the scope of the video, so to get a convo started I'll respond with strategies I use and I want to see what y'alls use :
1. Force team interaction. I'll give an example - when I feel that tilt might be setting in for solo que, I will look at a teammate, remember their name, and that teammate will be my "buddy" for the round. We will do everything together, to the bitter end if need be to a comedic level (dive together, paint together, jump out together, etc). The purpose of this is that when you have that thought of "there's no team interaction" then you more quickly than you probably realize start contributing to that (also if you start having the thought that you "have to carry", that's another telltale sign I see), and you set up a feedback loop that burns you out.
2. Compliment everyone. Two forms of this - first, compliment your opponents verbally when they make a good play. This is generally a good humanizing habit for the people on the other end of the connection that it is far too easy to forget are people and just think are story mode enemies for you to conquer (realize how that line of thinking lines up with what was said in the video about the desire for domination that becomes extremely unhealthy extremely quickly), and reminds you that you and your opponents are both trying to learn to be better from everything involved which opens your mind back up to "okay, with that good play my opponent made, what about the counterplay should I be thinking about?" Second, compliment your teammates both verbally and with "booyah!" - verbally was discussed with complimenting your enemies, and for the booyah... it's something that just feels good to have a team and knowing that you're watching eachother and are happy when things go well in games were so much needs to go well. Also really good that actively implementing this gets you looking at your teammates, which should help with the "lack of team interaction" type feeling.
3. Consider for the session just stopping. Tilt spirals very quickly, and for a lot of people it is best to just do something different from soloq (whether that involves literally shutting your Switch down or actively searching for players to play with so it's more social of an experience) for both your own emotional health and even performance (since you don't learn your best when tilted).
If you're down here and you've read this entire rant thank you, and I hope you have the best day that you can!
take breaks if u lose too many times in a row, catch yourself when ur tilting and thinking negative thoughts and try and replace them with a different view, for me i usually dont stay mad and instead recognise that my opponent made a good play against me, or i just laugh at my mistake like yeah lmaoo what was i thinking dropping here etc
Not gonna repeat what XDD said, so...
1. Do not stress on rank points, win rate or X Power. Focus on improving skills.
2. To help keep yer mind off "points"... when you start a play session, think about what you want to work on and can be measured but doesn't involve winning, KDA or rank points. i.e. "I will try to avoid 1v1's" or "I will check the HUD if my team is ahead" or "I'll turf around the objective line", etc.
Imagine if in basketball people scored one basket and then played defense so hard, grabbing the ball and then proceeding to play monkey in the middle for the next hour and a half with the other team as the monkey. There would be an outrage. People want esports to be more widely recognized, and acting like this does nothing but hurt
You just described why the shot clock was invented!
@@malcovich_games shows how much I know about sports. I didn’t even know that was a thing
@@lolin6379 no prob! I’m only familiar with bball thanks to nba 2k anyway. :)
So yes, stalling was a very common strat in the sport’s early years.
It really is a shame that, from an outsider's perspective, this is the kind of behavior the Splatoon comp scene cultivates. I've got 2000 hours total across all 3 entries in the Splatoon series and I can pretty consistently get like 2400 X power, but when stuff like this is all I see about the comp scene, instead of taking a step into the scene I just dropped the series months ago and started playing other games instead. I know plenty of people who supported the team in the clip, heck i even personally know one of the players, and if behaviors like that continue to be supported, the number of players this game's scene has will likely only go down. Appreciate you making a statement about it.
This isn't the comp scene. The perpetrator team appears to be a div 3 team (high level, but far from top-level). The other team is a two-stack with two randoms. If it seems that this is what the comp scene is like, the problem is that the negative experiences people have are shared more than the more common positive ones.
That is admittedly a very fair point, people who play this game on a competitive level doing this to players in random matchmaking still doesn't paint competitive players in a good light of course, but that distinction is important. And you're entirely right, negativity tends to get much more of a spotlight online. Thank you for the clarification, although as someone who is on the outside looking in, I hope it's quite apparent why I would interpret it the way I did and how the issue at hand still paints the comp scene in a bad light to those outside of it, even if it isn't explicitly a problem with the scene itself.
I just wanna say that 2400X with only around 2k hours between all games kinda sounds insane. Good Job.
THIS is the exact reason why i avoid so many PvP games, they always feel so unsafe to go around with all the bad habits that people just regulate.
**especially the ones in Xbox, dear god...**
This is when you’d be thankful that Splatoon doesn’t have on by default voice chat.
Being extremely shy is what made me stay away from the comp scene until last year despite playing since the first game and actually enjoying being competitive (It was actually thanks to you for promoting Junior's Draft(and Elemental for organizing it ofc) so thankyouthankyou :] ). Always been terrified of having to deal with toxic people like that so I'm really glad you're approaching the topic of the people who are oppressed by it.
This reminds me a lot of last christmas where there was a whole debacle about going easy on newbies/trolling newbies with a lot of people trying to keep the gates closed and locked because for some reason they didn't know how to play without taking their lil lunchbox to enemy spawn in turf war, going against enemies they assumed to be KIDS. In a game that's supposed to be for them. I mean. Good job for taking out someone that's not a challenge for you? I hope you've gained a lot of experience from it?
I don't find spawn camping a team that's struggling to survive any fun at all. There's nothing to it because all you do is sit down and periodically splat inexperienced players. What makes the game fun is to move around the map, find ways through enemy defenses, take down someone who keeps giving you a hard time, making a push along with your team, etc. That's how you enjoy the game. Being toxic is just enjoying bullying people.
(wow that was a ramble i just have many feelings about this)
(btw gem ur beakon game suxx git gud at it noob
.. jk. kinda😌)
Man... If I ever get a team like that, I'm just gonna try and force a rainmaker reset. You don't deserve to win if you're gonna be rude about it, and I don't want to be a part of a team like that. Fr would be the only time I intentionally throw a match. Or I would just force a communication error. Either would work for me
Someone should make a playlist of all of Gem's videos like this and call it Dating Advice
did so
Honestly, I love seeing a comeback in any form. Sometimes playing Splatoon my team will be sort of bullying the other team, by keeping them stuck in their base (not camping, just controlling the area) and then when they turn it around in the last 30 seconds to win I'm like "Ok they deserved to win that."
One of the biggest things I stand for is spreading positivity instead of negativity, and wow, this might actually be the best way I've heard that idea put
When you spread either positivity or negativity, you'll usually get it back in some way or another. Both can feel good to give out, only only one feels good to get back in return - going for spreading negativity because it feels better to give out in the moment, instead of spreading positivity because you'll also feel good getting it back later, honestly is just childish.
I don't usually like to be so harsh on ideas to the point of calling them things like childish, but I just can't think of a better way to describe it, the mindset that you should spread negativity instead of positivity is just that bad
(Phenomenal video as always, by the way, your videos mainly focused on general life advice have legitimately some of the best life advice I've ever heard)
I had a turf war experience where all the opposing team disconnected. Once that happened and I jumped back to base and refused to take part in punishing this player. We won and there was no way that lone player would win. I am all for pushing myself, but even I know when to show compassion and mercy.
i think my problem is that growing up, i internalized the mindset that if someone wins against me, that puts them "above" me in a sense. like, i am a lesser person for losing, because now they have something to ridicule me for. maybe that's just how my neurodivergent brain interprets it, but i've always hated competitive games because i never learned a positive mindset surrounding winning. it's not that i have to feel better than someone else- i actually am very careful to make sure that i conduct myself in a way such that no one feels that i am putting myself above anyone else after outperforming them in any way- but i have to win because i can't give people something to hold over me, showing that i am "inferior" to them in some way.
i think this kind of mentality has bled into most other aspects of my life, honestly. i feel like i have to have the best grades in my college classes possible, not because i have to outperform my peers so i can think i am better than them, but because i don't want to feel like i am, i guess, "less human" than someone else because they were better than me at something. this toxic gamer mentality of having to prove that you are better than someone at a video game, and therefore a better person than them in general, is something i don't want people to hold at all- but my fear that other people do hold such mentalities forces me to outperform them whenever i can, so they can't use it against me.
sorry for the long paragraphs of me just rambling to myself, this comment is mostly for myself honestly
thank you, gem, for this video, it gave me a nice chance to reflect on how i think about my own successes and failures.
i'm the same but not really. if i win, i feel good and won't get those feelings of throwing myself down a ravine and if i lose, i don't get to eat for 3 hours. basically if i don't win, i have to punish myself bc people refuse to learn to play right bc those people aren't around so i can scream and tear at them for costing us the match.
watching this video feels like looking in a mirror and i'm not proud of it
Never too late to make a change. There's no better time to start than right now.
I'm starting with the man in the mirror (OH YEAH!)
You know the rest.
I feel like acting this way is kinda like entering a contract where you increase the amount you feel good when you win, in exchange for having to feel bad when you win, which is self defeating because why not just feel good when you lose (because video games are fun and cool) and feel even better when you win. But I do get how people arrive there, because people are greedy, and if you think you can't lose then logically you should just extract as much pleasure as possible from your win. I bet the dude yelling in the clip felt absolutely fantastic, even better than if he was a good sport about it, but he's forgetting that it could happen to him.
9:06 unrelated but watching this moment play out activated my fight or flight response
this toxic mentality in gaming is exactly why don't enjoy competitive games. i've been the target of this kind of "gamer mindset" bullying enough that i am constantly overwhelmed and stressed at all times during any sort of pvp situation. it's why i can only really enjoy splatoon at a distance. i'll play salmon run on occasion, or i'll replay the story mode from time to time, but i only really have the capacity for one or two matches of turf war or MAYBE ranked (if the rotation is good) A WEEK. even though i know the majority of people are not literally pointing and laughing at me from behind their screens, it's something i've experienced enough to make me embarrassed to be less than perfect at any given competitive game. so thank you for talking about this. i doubt it will do much to fix my own situation or anyone else who's in a similar boat to me, but hopefully we can prevent people down the road from getting to this point.
1 toxic player made me quit League of Legends :)
I was much younger then… but it was an experience.
Brilliant! When I first started playing S1, I l splated an opponent who then proceeded to chase me all over the map thru 2 games. He wouldn’t stop. By the third game, I was angry. Everywhere I turned, he was there and I was taking him down. I was new to shooters so not good at all. Next game, he left. It’s pretty discouraging when new players are treated this way but glad I didn’t quit.
Thank you SO much for the aside about pack mentality being a false science and anyone who peddles it is conning you in some way, it is so important that people know this
Thanks for addressing this.
I fully admit it's incredibly difficult to feel good about a close loss. Between the "only one team can win a tourney" and the fact that any in-game systems boil to W/L... I haven't figured out how to look further than the fact it just gets boiled to L with no further information.
The only time I was toxic in splatoon was in 3 when my team was being spawncamped in turf war and one of the opponents was jumping up and down in between kills, so when I managed to splat them I (briefly) squidbagged them
We lost that game lmfao
6:29 "chances are your team isn't the one that wins everything"
good timing on showing a loss RIGHT as you say that
that's actually good
I don’t mind losing at all if the match was engaging. On Pokemon Showdown (a fansite for competitive battles), I even complement my opponent for really smart plays/teambuilding.
Getting angry and raging at them only makes me miserable and it doesn’t benefit me at all.
Splatoon 3 is the most Toxic game in the planet. It's the only game that I know with a reference to a particular Britney Spears outfit.
This is also very apparent in martial arts sparring where a good fight without toxicity feels great for both contestants regardless of who won point wise.
I get such gamer rage when I lose and I’ve been trying to be better about thinking “that was a good game even if I lost”
I wish everyone could hear this great message as life and dating advice. Bravo!
I wish there was a chat system in the lobby or maybe an optional VC that turns game wide at the end so I can tall the team that lost how good they did, and how much we struggled to get the win, or if we lost I could encourage my team, that's why I can always enjoy a match of something like overwatch, because I can make friends and be supportive, that's why I'm so happy when my friends make time to play, we can talk with each other, joke about our plays, talk about how the charger just trick shot me and it was awesome, and how much fun it is to just sit back and talk about our favorite game, and when I don't have that opportunity I devolve into a raging mess, blaming my teammates even though they did great, and getting mad at my enemies for being good and genuinely smart people, and sometimes, when I finally get the satisfaction of a 1 sided game, it feels shallow, empty, wrong, and I always feel bad for everyone involved instead of feeling good for myself, because I know when that happens the game is pairing me against lower ranked players, and while it is frustrating to see X players while the highest I've been is A+ (I used to play sticks that's why), I know how unfair that feels and it's just horrible to feel like you're bad and you should quit because you got stomped once, or have a lose streak, they don't matter at all but you think they do, because people tell you they do, because they taunt you, and sometimes when you're on the other end, you do what they did to you, onto someone else, it's an awful cycle, and I just wish everyone could go back to having fun instead of having to be superior, this mindset even seeps into my normal life too, ruining relationships and ruining myself, if you taunt people like that, if you spread negativity intentional or not, I know it's hard, hell I can't even do it but try to change, be positive, it helps you improve, both in game, and outside of it mentally, thanks for reading this if you actually did, it means a lot.
I wish there was a way to skip the enemy winning emote
it feels like theey're rubbing their win on your face, mocking you for losing
I'd rather have losing emotes like in splatoon 1
I find not seeing my own character moping is better, though. And i’ve played spla2n a lot. Different strokes, though.
@@malcovich_games It's a whole different kind of feeling isn't it?
I preffer that feeling of "Oh man I need to try harder next time" to the one of seeing my enemy saying "TAKE THIS DAB LOSER better luck next time!"
@@Meep_kun Totally! As for me I just want to congratulate them and probably make golf claps.
@@Meep_kun I never really interpreted the emotes as mocking the loser, I interpret it as more "Yay, I did it!" Or at the very least, that's how I want my own emotes to be interpreted when I win.
i think this is more of a being a dick to enemy issue but i also see a lot of teammate blaming which feels very toxic, especially in solo q. ig its me playing a lot salmon run that i went to a more "what can i do to prevent this loss?" kind of mindset (and id love to adopt it to pvp since it worked wonders)
This is great life advice
Another amazing video, Gem. Idk what to really comment but just commenting for the algorithm ❤
It’s off topic but I think still related what you have mentioned in the video. “I hate to lose and fells anger against losing opponents because I know the value of win.”
When I analyze my mind set, this would be the best way to describe.
Are there any way to fix this?
I don’t wanna stress out to every loss but don’t wanna lose my eager to winning.
I spent the entirety of Splatoon 2 being like that ;)
Anyway, here’s some tips stolen from other Gem videos
1. Don’t focus on win rate, rank points or x power. Winning comes when you improve.
2. Each match try focusing on improving a skill, like game sense, turfing around the objective, only taking 2v1’s, etc.
3. Compliment yourself, your teammates AND your opponents on a good play. Even if they can’t hear you.
P.S. It’s not unhealthy to have the will to win, but it might be unhealthy to feel like you deserve to win.
i can relate this kind of behavior, obviously to less of an extreme, to a game called team fortress 2
Team fortress 2 actually supports this kind of toxic behavior, but on a much less, and more fun scale
introducing, the G button, the G button allows the player to taunt the other opponent, and its pretty funny when its done after kills, the characters dont directly insult the player, they insult the class thats played against them in a witty way
what makes a TF2 player toxic, is responding to this silly little thing, players that get ticked off at it usually complain about it in the chat, the more time they spend in chat complaining, the more toxicity they reveal
it is toxic to write more than two words about it, most TF2 players will leave it at a “wow” or “lol” because they understand that this is apart of the game, its a video game, and most of the TF2 players (in uncletopia, a community server i play on a lot) realize this, and dont take the game too seriously when they die or lose, because they have better things to worry about going on in their life
Im not gonna lie, I feel like I would kind of enjoy spawn camping like this, but *only* if it helps my team push the objective better
One of the main reasons I stopped playing overwatch was because of the massive amounts of toxicity, especially from your own teammates.
bro has no enemies
I love this man
Gem being based as always
You can pretty much say the same thing to those who feel sad or even angry toward others, when they are not the top 5% in Big Run or Eggstra
Some people believe only when they got the gold medal is considered a 'win', when is just sad, in so many ways
Eyyyy, who was the person in the cilp for the reference, i dont think ive of them before
i just play to have fun. reggie: if its not fun why bother
Toxicity holds you back people. I'm just now improving again because I finally let that shit go after 5 years.
New vid yay!
I'm not against BMing people if all parties involved are in a tournament setting. If one team, or player, in particular wants to don the role of the villain, which isn't uncommon in a lot of competitive communities, then that is totally fine. It opens the possibility for storylines and cretes engagement within the community that otherwise wouldn't exist if everyone was all squeaky-clean and positive about everything. People want to win and the drive to win is what should make someone overcome whatever toxicity is being spewed by these sorts of players.
With that said, it is not the case of this occurence. A competitive team stacked up in Anarchy Open and thought it was a good idea to dunk on just some random people, which we know that per Splatoon's great MM system could be anyone from any rank. Just dogpiling on them and making them suffer for 5 minutes. This isn't the same situation. The other team wasn't even on the same page. This creates nothing else but negativity, because the team that does this gets to have some laughs, but the other side could possibly just quit the game forever because it's such a frustrating experience that they didn't sign up for.
If the people that did this to the other team really are comp players, I really think that it should be in the hands of the TOs to punish these players accordingly. Identify the perpetrators and remove them from the competitive setting for a given amount of time so they cannot participate in any events and use this time to reflect on what they have done, as they need to learn that actions have consequences. TOs have the duty to maintain the community alive and actions such as this are totally opposite to such thing. Complacency only leads to reoccurence, so an example needs to be set.
I agree with you it’s such a controversial topic but still pls splatoon bring it back😭
5 minutes into this video and i already can apply these points to just about any game, yugioh and shooters like overwatch and CoD to name a few, in regards to yugioh its way to common to see the meta involve shutting down the opponent and preventing them from doing anything, thats pretty bad for a TCG when part of the fun is the back and fourth nature of playing cards, so i can certainly apply these points to yugioh and many others and it hurts to say that
W take as always
Welp ig im toxic to myself
I was playing Roblox Criminality, a REALLY toxic Community, to the point of doxxing over lego politics lol, either way, I choose a more oacafist route in this community, and usually try to be kind in such a harsh environment, and I get good karma because of that, like recently, I used my awarness and sound told them "I heard ya, eatch your sound" got a peacefull "Thank you sir" and many clan leaders were hard to believe me that I was able to gain control in some lobbies using peace instead of harm, I truly believe being different is better than following the crowd!
Honestly I just have fun playing games competitively. That rainmaker spawn camping is super mean though. You can BM without being completely ridiculous like this. Uncool.
Players who are found to have participated in griefing should be banned from tournaments and ostracised from the community. Unfortunately, the actions of bullies are celebrated and defended.
I deserve it honestly 😞😞
It’s fine but only if it’s a suspension for the first strike.
Handing out the “death penalty” of social isolation for (the first instances of) griefing is just too harsh. It’ll just cement their behavior and they’ll go to another community to do the same. We gotta give them a chance to make amends and think about what they’ve done.
@@veemolikesspoonz1530 i doubt it. Whatever you did, don’t be too hard on yourself. Realization is already the first step.
spiderman why is your kd 5-10
It’s not 5-10, he’s talking crazy!
More Dating Advice?
tbh the times I spawn camp is really just to press advantage, its something I picked up from my time in splatoon 1 in 2016- until the second game released. I only do it if my team is gonna also press advantage. oh also, good gameplay, that death right as you were placing the rainmaker was so unfortunate, its nice seeing a bunch of good players all around
I like gem 💎
anger is an emotion I've never really understood. i's so stupid
SPLATOON EGO DEATH!!!!!!!!
The last bits of your video is why I think we will never get recognized as an eSports on commercial level. Especially when Nintendo has a level of image to uphold, the expectations of the players to reflect that and if this is the common image of your everyday comp player, I don't think anyone would be in the right mind to sponsor them especially when they will have a brand to represent when they signed on. It's just bad business.
I disagree. How are more toxic games like League and CSGO esports? These even have proven cheaters and toxic pro players who had to be banned or suspended. Even in real sports they had to hand out suspensions to big stars for bad behavior.
It’s just this company’s unwillingness to take this financial and reputation risk and moderate their players. Given Fortnite’s target audience it is still an esport.
I found that in online games, I do better when I congratulate others on killing me helps me play better, since it helps me calm down and focus on proper strategies.
Rust players should take notes from you.
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Well the only time I think it's fine(not the squidbagging) is during turf war, because there is no way to finish a match earlier
I made into a squid school video no way!!!! 🥹🥹🥹
It's easy enough to stop spawn camping in tournaments, just tell everyone that ties will be decided by whichever team played the least amount of time per game
Sorry but that tiebreaking rule just also punishes slow grind teams and also incentivizes having randomly gotten a lopsided matchup, so i would not want such a thing. And fortunately we often do double elims instead of swiss…
Fair point about the double elimination.
It could be used in subsequent tournaments to seed teams that didn't place, though.
I don't know that the slow grind team argument is very valid. I agree playing strategically is important, but it's always better to win faster regardless of play style.
True, it's Splatoon 3 (unlike 2) which heavily encourages a fast play style anyway.
It's easier to tiebreak if there''s a best of X set per match in a swiss bracket though. Ties can be broken by losses given, knockouts and finally by objective progress attained.
comp teams spawn camping?! ugh such clowns fr
Nah bro that first clip was funny af.
...Yeah it kinda was.
Yeah, having played Splatoon since the series began, I can say that you start to get a sense of who the REALLY obnoxious "bully" players are. One glaring red flag (at least to me) is the one where a player will come in for ONE match of Turf War, get splats in the double digits, and then immediately cut and run afterward. If they win, it's so they can snicker at you and maintain their dominance as they beat a path out the door, because you know...God forbid they should hang around and fight you again after you've already gotten a sense of their play style and may have already begun to develop a strategy (or maybe just have a better Weapon/Gear combo) to defeat it. They rely on that element of surprise to ambush an opposing team, basically, and are too afraid to face you without it. And if they lose, they just run off to lick their wounds and cry about it.
It could also just be people using turf to warm up for ranked. I don't think seeing a rando leave is an indication of their mindset. Lot's if people who play ranked don't like turf much too.
…or they only had one game left on their meal ticket and left to go refresh it. Or they forgot to use their meal ticket and left to go apply one. Or they’re grinding gear abilities and left to go scrub their clothes. Or, hell, maybe they figured that, seeing as you're playing the swingiest mode in the game, so you had two and a half minutes to figure out their gameplan and devise how to beat it, and seeing as Ranked battles don’t (usually) pit you against the same opponents repeatedly, and therefore don’t let you swap gear to adjust to your opponents, so either they’re literally the best player in the game or whatever strategy they used to beat you must be possible to adapt to using whatever gear you already had on hand… and seeing as you didn’t - you got totally stomped in this scenario - maybe they just thought that this room was below their skill level, and they thought it'd be selfish to barge in here and force the seven players who were here first to adjust when they could just as easily leave and hope to be placed in a room that's a better match.
Honestly, there must be well over a dozen totally innocent reasons why someone would only drop in for one match of Turf War. Seems monstrously unfair to call it a “glaring red flag.”
Or they just had a communication error
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A little bit of toxicity is fun as long as it isn’t genuinely malicious
Did you even listen to the video m8
If your toxicity makes other people feel bad, it can only be fun if you have no empathy
If it's describable as "toxic" then no, it is not fun. If you're being mean ironically with someone who understands that's what you're doing, then sure, but that's not really being mean. As soon as there's any ambiguity as to whether they mean any part of it, it's not cool, even if they were already friends to begin with.
If someone gets genuinely upset over the funny squid person flopping around like a fish they are more of a problem than me. (Being real I really only squidbag people if they do it first, since people who do that unprovoked tilt easily. Also clash blaster users cause they deserve it.)
You're not supposed squid bag back becuz now ur letting the enemy whom squidbag u that u can't remain cool minded which can farther escalate the toxicity in battle, in other words if u do it back ur just as toxic as they are
Honestly, grow up. It's a kids game; a game that can be enjoyed by everyone, yes, but still a kids game. We all play it for different reasons, and we all have fun in different ways. Those "toxic" players were probably having a blast and while I do feel a little sorry for the opposing team, crying over spilled milk makes you a little bit of a baby doesn't it?
I get having good sportsmanship or whatever, but again, this is a kids game, I don't care about that crap, I'm here to have fun, and if fun constitutes squid bagging after getting a lucky quad I didn't deserve then I'm gonna do it. Sure after getting rolled you'll be a little tilted, I've been there, but either go on with your day, play again, or play something else, because crying about it doesn't help anyone. In fact I kind of love getting destroyed in games because it makes clutching out a win even sweeter. Pride before the fall and all that jazz y'know?
Also if you're stomping a team in a game, don't tell me you'd back off to preserve the other team's feelings or help them improve at the game, unless you're coaching or something. No, you'd take every piece of ground you could until the game's won, as you should since that's how the game is played. We all have to learn and we're better for it. I didn't break my switch after getting spawn camped by sweaty Japanese players who probably play the game 24/7 when starting out; I got better so I could beat them, and if not, at least match them so it doesn't happen. If anything, blame Nintendo's horrid matchmaking system lol.
Also no, taunting isn't gonna cause some sort of toxic "alpha/beta wolf" subculture to develop in the Splatoon community. That part of the video is fear mongering and cringe. If that was the case then I'd hate to see y'all interact with anyone in the older FGC. There wouldn't be enough buckets to contain the tears.
There is already tweets of people being "glad i spawncamp people like you" and "i am happy to think that my gameplay made you cry". Alpha/beta'ish mentality in splatoon is already here? Lol.
Your "kids game" argument is so stupid i dont even know what to tell you. If kids play baseball it doesn't make it any less disrespectful if an enemy batter started whacking kids with the bat if it were adults were doing it. I think everyone can agree that being an asshole is being an asshole regardless of age.
'It is a children's game for children, so I am entitled to act like a child'.
LET ME DOMINATE IN THE KIDS GAME!!!!
No one is asking anyone to sandbag, hold off or show mercy. Feel free to dominate. But exhibit good sportsmanship by just dunking the fish, taking your points and moving on.
You're not entitled to making others feel bad just because you won in silly squid game. You're being immature and it just shows your lack of life experience.
When the enemy team has that one player that is trash talking all game and you dominate them it is so satisfying
I hadnt ever thought about it like that but it is a very good point, if your reaction to winning games is to mental tell the opponent "get stomped, you suck" then when you lose you will feel like YOU got stomped, and YOU suck. If you feel charitable towards opponents when you win, you are more likely to feel charitable toward yourself when you lose.