They said Taekwon at the beginning when they salute and the Tul name. The entry and the exit in the Team Pattern competition doesn't count as points, so they can show off in the entry or exit, what the judges will count is the pattern itself. Hands in the back is for us a respectful way of attention but in relax mode. Like you said ITF is very military like, it came from a military background with General Choi, this position is used normally when we listen to superiors. At-ease/Relax or Swieo 쉬어 in Korean. On team pattern you can choose how to do the pattern, you can do it in sync like Karate or you can alter certain aspect of he sequence but NOT the pattern. For example the Tul (pattern) needs to be performed the same way is teach, but they can choose to do at the same time, one at a time, two at the time and so forth. Each Tul have different way of movements, Normal, Fast, Continues, Connected and the performers need to do the movement following these rules. Wow, you don't practice ITF Taekwon-Do and you understood the Sinewave better than a lot of people that swear they practiced ITF Taekwon-Do. You are absolutely correct, we use the up and down motion or momentum to generate speed and using the gravity coming down for power. Respects to you sir. When performing the Tul in Team Pattern they apply some power but not all, because they need to stay in sync, listen to their breathing in order to perform the Tul correctly. When you compete solo against another competitor you can use as much power as you can but being careful on the movements. Because of the amount of power that we can generate doing these Tul, breathing is very important, the way I explain to my student is like a bomb, you breath, generate power and explode (inhale/exhale). To give you my perspective, the Japanese team was not precise on their movements, meaning that they were going to fast between transition of some of the movements, altering the Tul. Each movement needs to be precised and shown. Yes, Sijak 시작 means Start. Optional versus Designated Pattern, out of all the Tul, the team have an Optional Pattern, meaning they can do any pattern they want, but the Designated Pattern is the pattern that the table choose for them to perform "a surprise selection". The reason we do this is to make sure that the practitioners know their Tul and they just not only learn one Tul to win. This create a tension because you don't know which pattern they will ask you to do, you need to know all your Tul's. That is why if you noticed on the Designated pattern they did less show off moves and more in sync. What judges are looking for is Stances, Attacks, Blocks and Power performed correctly. Both team performed the same pattern by pure luck, GaeBaek as the first one (Optional) and Dan-Gun (Designated) by the Judges. Thank you for such a respectful view of our style Gam Sa Ham Nida 감사 합니다, ありがとうございます
Hello. I love the respect for other arts. I should point out that in ITF Taekwon do abdominal breathing is very important. We do not rely purely on the chest as that would be shallow breathing and maximum power would not be achieved. It is possible under certain conditions to use a combination of the diaphragm combined with chest. The styles of 'walking on' to the mat for team pattern (kata) is something that is not laid down. In other words the teams are allowed to create their own 'walk on routine/ formation. The actual pattern (kata) has to be technically correct but the teams are allowed to synchronise it how they like. Individual pattern competition is quite different. Normal walk on and pattern performed by the book. You noticed one of the team members moved slightly after delivering a punch, more than likely he used too much recoil in his movement. I hope this helps.
Thank you for your kind comments! They are practicing a kata called "Gae Baek". In Taekwondo, we refer to kata as either "poomsae", "hyung", or "tul". They are synonymous, but the terminology is rigid: Kukkion universally uses "poomsae", while ITF uses either "hyung" or "tul". When you see ITF using the sinewave (up-and-down motions in their forms), then they usually use the term "tul". The remainder tend to use "hyung". Whether you use kata, tul, poomsae, or hyung, we are all brothers and sisters in martial arts, and respect the user's terminology is being a part of that person's journey in a lifelong endeavor to better their lives, further the culture of taekwondo, and recognize the differences we all have between each other. For me, I'm 40 years into Taekwondo (Kukkiwon and ITF), and Aikido (10 years). In that time, I have had the pleasure of sharing in several people's journeys in martial arts, be it Taekwondo, Go Ju Ryu, Shotokan, Aikido, and several others.
The word they said in the beginning is simply “Tae Kwon”. I really like the way you use the term momentum in describing the unique ITF “sine wave” movement. Also, instead of saying “poomsae” like the Kukkiwon TKD, ITF use the term “Tul”. Thank you for taking interest in many arts sensei! Your videos are very admirable!
In Chung Ghee style we say Hyung...ex. as in the second form (kata) shown in this competition, which was Dan Gun Hyung. Incidentally, that sine wave bounce is not as popular in the U.S. Jhoon Rhee tradition. We look more like Teken Warrior or Mortal Combat video games.
Excellent video! I did Shotokan (1st kyu) many years ago and I do Taekwondo ITF now (2nd Dan). Many of your questions I did it to myself, until I practiced ITF and I knew the answers. You understood very clearly the sinewave motion, well done! There are many things in common between Shotokan and ITF since it's creator, Gral Choi was 2nd dan in Karate too, before he created TKD. (TKD in the beginning was known as Korean Karate) Regards from Argentina!
Almost all founder of the original 5 kwans and the latter 9 kwans had background in Karate-Do, most of them in Shotokan Karate, one in Shito Ryu Karate and one in Shundokan Karate. Only Hwan Kee the Moo Duk Kwan founder have no official background in Karate, but all the first forms that Hwan Kee taught were exactly the same as Shotokan Katas (even he dosn´t hava a official record of any dan in Karate)
I do ITF Taekwondo and I love it, I also have a Shodan in JKA Shotokan. In ITF we focus in our patterns on Sine wave which is like Tai no shinshuku (contracting and expanding) in Karate. I remember in the Kata Enpi there is a lot Tai no shinshuku. Great video! Can you make more on forms breakdowns in other martial arts? Korean Tang Soo Do is another Shotokan derivative. Thank you! Just subscribed!
In a tournament this event call “team pattern" normally the 1st Tul is own choose and 2nd Tul is jury choose. The 1st Tul call Gae Baek, is one of the 1st dan black tul(have 3 Tul) The 2nd tul call Dan Gun, is yellow belt Tul
I'm a 2nd degree in ITF, training for 22 years and teaching for 16. I really appreciate your commentary. From what I've picked up over the years, the way we teach our techniques seems very similar to Shotokan, but not all ITF schools teach the same way. Both teams did Gae Beck Hyung first and Tan Gun Hyung second. In most of the ITF schools I've encountered, the first is a black belt form and the second is a beginner form (8th kup/yellow belt). Interesting choice to do a beginner form at that level, but on the other hand both teams better get it close to perfect! I would have to give it to N. Korea as well. They were crisper as a team and stayed in rhythm. If you ever get the opportunity I'd love to hear you review Yoo Shin Hyung (also spelled Yoo Sin). It's one of our longer forms at 68 movements, and I think reflects your art very well. Thanks, great channel!
22 years and still a 2nd degree?I'm sure there is a reason. I was 2nd Degree when I was 12 and 4th Degree at 17, 5th at 22 and then broke my back in a horse riding accident that put an end to everything.
@@liamconnolly164 I was 38 when I started. I've only trained a handful of kids that got to black belt by the time they were 12. They started at age 6 or 7. In our system it's not possible to move up one Dan per year. One of those kids is now a 5th degree and bought the school when our Sabumnim retired. I started when I was 38, and believe me when I tell you I wish I'd started when I was 7.
@@liamconnolly164 Black belt degree testing at my school didn't require being any better at anything, really. Of course there were new forms to learn, but beyond that the only benchmark was coming up with a demonstration. The finale was doing the demonstration at the big show that would be put on with half a dozen other schools. These shows went on for hours and hours. They were throwbacks to the late 70s when doing live demonstration shows were how schools got new students. I decided that being promoted just for jumping around on stage for a minute or two was pretty pointless, and concentrated on teaching, which I'm still doing. Also, I got my first degree when I was 40, so there's that. I have the title of Kyo-sanim, which lets me line up in front of all the non-instructor black belts regardless of degree, which is nice, but not really that important to me. Teaching good techniques and providing encouragement to my students is all I really care about. Sorry about the broken back, I can't imagine how awful that must have been for you.
The sine wave (up-down motion) only came in in the later 70s- early 80s around the time General Choi went to N Korea. Some people think it was to distance it further from Karate. Originally the power was generated with a waist twist. I studied old style Chang Hon (the name of the ITF style) and found the sine wave rather strange when I first encountered it. Try watching a tul called Won Hyo and you will see its relationship with Shotokan.
@@paulpeterson1040 I’m with you. I started in ITF in 1979 and we never did that. I won a lot of pattern tournaments imagining me being in chin deep water and keeping my head as level as possible. The sine wave ruined the patterns.
I'm watching your videos for a while now and you really impresses me... while everyone is trash talking other martial arts your approach is just understand them... congrats that's what the world need ... keep it up with the good work. Subscribing right now
Love the respect you showed all the time. I never understood why practitioners argue about which martial art is better than other, they are all as good as the person who practices it, and I truly believe that every martial art out there has something to show and something to teach. I started practising ITF when I was 25 yeras old, now I´m 38 and II Dan, and I also train Krav Maga and Kali Filipino. Wish I had more free time to train and learn from other martial arts.
The goal of team hyung competition is not only scored on power and execution of technique. It is also scored on creativeness, and the degree of difficulty of your formation plus presentation. Shouting the name of the hyung(kata) at the end is common practice for yellow belt and above. ITF advanced practicioners utilizes sine wave from normal walking motion with hip snap/rotation to generate extra power. The sharp exhale breathing is to defend yourself because if you get hit, you wont get stunned (out of breath)
Hello from Switzerland. We are doing also a form of ITF. But our Forms are named Hyongs and not Poomse/Kata. and we train without full bodycontact unless we do defense. Are there some who know this Taekwon-Do? I'm curious and yusuke really good analysation! Keep going:)
I first started Taekwondo in an ITF class, but earned my 1st Dan in a WTF dojang. In Taekwondo, our low punches are aimed at the stomach, middle punches at the solar plexus, and high punches are to the face.
Hyung...yes. We also train with little contact as beginners. the intensity grows as rank progresses. Full gear during sparring until Black Belt. Then it's just hands and feet. There's no benefit to beating each other up and it is also an insurance issue. In our school, brown belts begin to spar with black belts. ReaL contact but with full gear. Black belts get to beat them up...lol.
ITF tul are cool to watch but difficult to do if you arent used to doing ITF tul. I had an ITF black belt visit my dojo once and I asked him if he would show me how to do an ITF tul ( I think it was called Hwarang tul) and the signwave motion was difficult for me to get the timing on at first. Still a fun experience.
@WolvoExPunk1 If he comes back I'll ask him to show me that one. It was a fun experience either way. I love learning how different martial arts approach things.
I practice both Karate (Kyokushin) and ITF Taekwon-Do so I can understand your perspective. Good observation about the use of gravity (sinewave motion), in ITF there is a deep exhalation with each movement. This video you watched was from competitive Teul, we don't normally walk like soldiers in normal practice. This sort of thing is just done to add a little more flair to team competition, not all teams do it either. Team Teul competition takes more artistic liberties with the choreographies and such to make it more impressive visually and so on. In individual competition nobody does that and nobody walks funny when going in or out. You should watch the Teul done individually, check out JUCHE by Jaroslaw Suska (he's one of the greatest champions in Teul)
Thank you very much for uploading this video. In itf taekwon there is the theory of power, which is the basis of the strength of the techniques, whose elements are: speed (the most important), respiratory control, balance, action and reaction movement and concentration (which refers to focus the blow on a single point, such as the knuckles or the edge of the hand) some also consider body mass. but the power can also be generated through the movement of the body, for that reason the practitioners move through a sinusoidal wave when moving. It can also be generated by moving the body up, down, or using the arms in opposite directions or in the same direction, according to the technique.
They perform 2 Patterns, 1 of their Choice and the other 1 is the Judges Choice. The Judges use a Score Card, which is based on, Technique, Power, Team Work, Choreography, Balance, Breath Control, etc etc, etc.
ITF Team pattern competition is not only judged for execution and team synchronicity but also in creativity of presentation. Here they go very simply with a few inner-pair sequences, same facing. I've seen over the years patterns done in circles, back to back, moving in an intermingling star pattern etc the more complex the presentation, the higher the score (i.e. if you stand back to back, you can't see your partners and adjust yourself, thus much more difficult); but synchronicity (team work) is still the foremost criteria. Regarding high punches; it's simply because the pattern chosen (Dan-Gun; for yellow belt 8th grade to yellow belt with green stripe 7th grade) have those. Dan-Gun follows Chon-Ji which only has middle punches and precedes Do-San which has more various strikes. Thus it introduces that upcoming variation of targets in a simple methodical way from a simpler form.
Enjoyed your commentary. A simple answer to the quick breath out is if you are executing a technique then there is a chance you may receive an attack from the opponent at the same time. By getting the breath out quickly if you are hit say in an area where you could potentially have the breath knocked out of you it won't happen because the breath is gone already since you have expelled it . Your normal reaction then if hit will be to suck breath in thus you can still breath , Yes it may hurt but you can continue to defend or attack because you still can breath because you did not have the breath knocked out of you. I hope I explained it for a clear understanding as to why the ITF we breath as we do. Training ITF since 1983. Thank you again for such a great review.
If you want to learn more about ITF taekwon do check out Grand Master Nardizzi's videos. He explains all the basic movements and how techniques should be performed etc.
Some of the movement for lining up in NK team is from their military marching style. As former us army I use marching as a way to fill in the steps to positions for TKD. It makes it look very clean and formal.
Japanese second tul/kata. The one "bouncing". He was yelling the name of the Tul/kata. That is why he look like bouncing. Great and nice to see analysing other martial art with respect.
Yeah, "sijak (shijak)" means "to begin". I know they say "hajime" in Japan, but from what I've seen on Korean variety shows they also use "sijak" to say "se no" as a starting cue.
おはようございます。I'm a 1st Dan in ITF based (but not affiliated) Taekwondo, and now a green belt in Goju Ryu 空手. Very interesting video 👍. I liked hearing your perspective on the katas. Re: oi tsuki, different ITF Taekwondo Kata have different target areas. You're correct about ITF Taekwondo being similar to Shotokan, as the "main" founder of tkd was a 2nd Dan in Shotokan. If you get the chance, definitely watch all 24 of the ITF Taekwondo kata. The way the tul/Kata are performed, does tend to vary slightly from dojang to dojang. My old dojang tended to welcome more fluid movement (water principle) as you graduated up through the belts. They used to say that, colour belt period of training, is the fire period/season, and when you reach shodan, you begin the water period/season. Both seasons/periods supposedly represent the taegyuk (the red/blue yin-yang of the Korean flag).
Its always fascinating to watch martial arts. I took a self defense class as hen i was a teenager. But I didn't understand what I was being taught. The teacher was not clear on instructions. It wasn't martial arts. And it was private classes. Maybe I should try a group classes now. But I am not sure what form of martial arts to take. Any advice? I found your channel interesting so I followed. Learning alot. I like the discipline and the teachings behind the art form.
Yes 2 katas/Tuls. The first is pattern chosen by the competitor/team that is within their rank level. The second pattern is randomly chosen by the judges and can be any pattern from white belt to their current level. This ensures that the competitors are sharp on all their patterns and who is better overall.
It is up to preference but usually at chest or eye level. The theory is if you can kick high(more difficult) then kicking middle or low should be a walk in the park.
The team that your saying units showing is Japan is doing tkd forms. N wearing uniforms w black stripes. Like tkd. And the Korean team was doing japanese forms
Karate Dojo waKu this is gae baek a 1st degree black belt tul 1 of 3 we have to learn to grade to 2nd dan, second tul was an 8th cup tul called dan gun.
Taekwon-do ITF took karate thecniques becuase the Korean General Choi Hong studied in Japan and learned Karate when he was studing and he combined korean taykion and Jpanese karate
the bounce after the punch was a mess up, it definitely cost his team and taekwondo also calls that move a knife-hand but we use it in a couple other techniques other than to block and hit the neck
at 8:26, he bounce because he is shouting the name of the kata. In ITF taekwondo, the name is said before the beginning and at the end of the kata. Hello from Brazil.
Oh, & a quick explanation. The two Tul/Kata you saw were Ge Baek (2nd Dan) & Dan Gun (7th Kup) In ITF Tae Kwon Do we have punches to High (Nopunde), Middle (Kaunde), & low (Najunde) but in Dan Gun Tul they are specified as High punches. In other Tul (Do San for example) the punches are middle section.
The two tuls are choice (normally the highest known tul) and designated (which can be any tul even the same as the one chosen) You picked up the military aspect as tkd was original designed for the Korean military
I didn't know Sensei where a Shotokan practicer.i start doing Shotokan past year.i was practicing Hapkido and its dificult for me to do the transition hehehehe
Sin-wave is definitely exaggerated in Patterns or Tuls. General Choi just wanted us to create a good habit by reminding the body or muscle memory where the power is always coming from. Have you ever seen how Mike Tyson moves to create power or any boxer, bob and weave? They throw and upper cut or hook, their body comes back before it comes forward slightly. Baseball to throw the ball, you don’t just throw the ball forward you must bring your arm back first to throw it as hard and far as you can, or hammering a nail, you come up before you come down, you don’t just come down. Better example for martial artists, I’m sure you have all seen karate, ITF tkd, and others try and break stones, concrete blocks, boards etc. they never just come forward or just come down before the break, they come up or backwards first to try and create as much power as possible, this is sine-wave believe it or not! Sine wave is everywhere, it’s just clouded minds that wish not to believe it give it a bad reputation.
Wow, just found your channel. New subscriber here, & I'll have to check out your other videos too. It's fascinating to see a Karate Sensei's take on, Tae Kwon Do. I've often wondered what our Tul would look like if performed by a Karateka. Maybe that's something you could demonstrate in a video?
The judge always gives the information of which tul you re doing after the bowing and stuff at 1:40 in the video you can hear a guy screaming the name of the tul then junbi which can vary depending on what pattern it is we have different ready stances
I practice ITF Taekwondo, WTF Taekwondo, Aikikai Aikido, and Kyokushinkan Karate. I just comment at your Heian Nidan video saying that Heian Nidan / Pinan Sono Ni kata is around 60% similar to the Won Hyo tul from ITF Taekwondo. Maybe you can make a video in the future to compare Heian Nidan / Pinan Sono Ni with Won Hyo tul.
Fun fact at 6:18 they are doing a yellow belt pattern 😂 they legit went down from a first degree black belt tul Ge baek is the 12th, Dan gun is the 2nd i mean that is why tul is so fun to participate in Because you will never know which pattern that will be chosen😂
Having done JKA karate for 5 years, and now doing ITF Taekwondo, I can with confidence say that Katas are much flashier and way more fun to do than Tuls / Poomsaes. On the flip side though, I find the sparring in Taekwondo to be much more fun as well. It's almost like a trade-off, but I really do miss Katas :\
Hi Yusuke. I'm impressed that you figure out the function of our ITF signature sinewave just by watching. Many people think that it is useless, but you get the idea. Bravo.
i like watching karate katha more.. maybe because i was exposed to karate more at the age of 7 with my brothers. due to my father ...nice vlog by the way...i;m from the philippines and i love karate..
there are different styles of patterns in Taekwondo. Hyong and Poomsae.. depending on ITF or WTF. There are different in motion and technic .. poomsae patterns are more modern(more reviewed and changed over time). Hyong goes back more to the originpatterns of the "founder" general Chong hoi hi(i think i miss spelled it). If you look to the last 'bounce', you see that they do their punsh and afther that they al do the shout (look at the guys on the left), but the don't do it so expressiv. Its not wrong because they express more the breathing and the tension by taking it away and put it back in(the bounce).
Quite possible that that was the source material. It seems there are also aspects of the 7th gup pattern Do-San in there as well. So Dan-Gun and Do-San possibly had a similar origin.
Ok, appart from the north korean ballet dance we see, Taekwondo is to defend yourself against weapons first of all. That is, to remove any weapon your opponent is having, and then to kick him down. That's why "gravity" power. Grab your opponents weapon, and then kick him into immobilization. If you hurt your opponent is ok.
@@platterhof pls, look up ITF Taekwondo, it has alot of great techniques and atleast in my school we practically did mma 20 years before it even existed, so yeah, its usefull if you have a good trainer, but on the part of weapons....no, just no, if u want to do stuff with weapons look up Pekiti Tirsia Kali which I also train, most real, most advanced martial art to do with weapons, if i had a chance to train PKT instead of TKD all my life i would, bc its alot more real and yeah i like knifes ahaha
at 7:01 the form they did was a very low chon ji form if i remember correctly 6 or 7th gup maybe its a tie breaker and were asked to perform the lower form as most BB wouldnt have much practice actually performing it because they teach it so often ( yes i got caught like that many years ago ) I looked like an idiot lol. or so i thought anyways, must have been a tie breaker both teams performed same form, for those doing palgwe or tae guek forms notice in the chong ji style they do half circle with there feet coming in and circling out i dont see that in tourneys from other schools with the palgwe or tae guek forms nor did i learn them that way after doing the chon ji forms for many years was a hard habit to break which even to this day ill catch myself doing.
The original art I came from is Taekwondo (wtf) But what I heard about them is they are using is what I heard "sine wave?" please someone correct me if I am wrong. You may try sensie to see and comment about the art "sikaran" it is like the taekwondo version in my country.
Yes we call it the sine wave. Using the natural up and down motion of walking it generate extra power during the downward(gravity assistance) phase. We also use it together with hip snap or hip rotation to generate even more power.
I do WT (WTF). WTF is more linear motion. You can do the Sine Wave of ITF. I think it has a lot of value in “Finishing” moves such as in your self defense or One Step Sparring moves.
ITF theory of power is the Sine Wave while WTF is Action / Reaction and twisting power. Both have value. I can see applications of Sine Wave in strikes such as Hammer Fist while I see Twisting applications in more close-quarter situations. The targets you mention are interesting. In WTF we spend a lot of time with Solar Plexus strikes, gradually raising the target area to the neck as we get more advanced. Thank you so much for your unbiased videos. They are helpful as we indeed are all ONE!
like the fact that you admire other discipline, really shows your respect for others.. Great job Yusuke 🤓👍🏼
haha thank you so much!
A true martial artist.
They said Taekwon at the beginning when they salute and the Tul name.
The entry and the exit in the Team Pattern competition doesn't count as points, so they can show off in the entry or exit, what the judges will count is the pattern itself. Hands in the back is for us a respectful way of attention but in relax mode. Like you said ITF is very military like, it came from a military background with General Choi, this position is used normally when we listen to superiors. At-ease/Relax or Swieo 쉬어 in Korean.
On team pattern you can choose how to do the pattern, you can do it in sync like Karate or you can alter certain aspect of he sequence but NOT the pattern. For example the Tul (pattern) needs to be performed the same way is teach, but they can choose to do at the same time, one at a time, two at the time and so forth. Each Tul have different way of movements, Normal, Fast, Continues, Connected and the performers need to do the movement following these rules.
Wow, you don't practice ITF Taekwon-Do and you understood the Sinewave better than a lot of people that swear they practiced ITF Taekwon-Do. You are absolutely correct, we use the up and down motion or momentum to generate speed and using the gravity coming down for power. Respects to you sir.
When performing the Tul in Team Pattern they apply some power but not all, because they need to stay in sync, listen to their breathing in order to perform the Tul correctly. When you compete solo against another competitor you can use as much power as you can but being careful on the movements. Because of the amount of power that we can generate doing these Tul, breathing is very important, the way I explain to my student is like a bomb, you breath, generate power and explode (inhale/exhale).
To give you my perspective, the Japanese team was not precise on their movements, meaning that they were going to fast between transition of some of the movements, altering the Tul. Each movement needs to be precised and shown. Yes, Sijak 시작 means Start.
Optional versus Designated Pattern, out of all the Tul, the team have an Optional Pattern, meaning they can do any pattern they want, but the Designated Pattern is the pattern that the table choose for them to perform "a surprise selection". The reason we do this is to make sure that the practitioners know their Tul and they just not only learn one Tul to win. This create a tension because you don't know which pattern they will ask you to do, you need to know all your Tul's. That is why if you noticed on the Designated pattern they did less show off moves and more in sync. What judges are looking for is Stances, Attacks, Blocks and Power performed correctly. Both team performed the same pattern by pure luck, GaeBaek as the first one (Optional) and Dan-Gun (Designated) by the Judges.
Thank you for such a respectful view of our style Gam Sa Ham Nida 감사 합니다, ありがとうございます
Very well explained
@@basuraeterna yea
Thank you for that respectful and detailed reply,
A fellow ITF TKD student.
FUCK RESPECT..... BRAINWASHING........... FIGHT IS FIGHT NO RESPECT.
@@ovideoarkans7982 This is no street fight. This is martial art where discpiline is a must. Getfo with your entitled opinion.
Hello. I love the respect for other arts. I should point out that in ITF Taekwon do abdominal breathing is very important. We do not rely purely on the chest as that would be shallow breathing and maximum power would not be achieved. It is possible under certain conditions to use a combination of the diaphragm combined with chest. The styles of 'walking on' to the mat for team pattern (kata) is something that is not laid down. In other words the teams are allowed to create their own 'walk on routine/ formation. The actual pattern (kata) has to be technically correct but the teams are allowed to synchronise it how they like. Individual pattern competition is quite different. Normal walk on and pattern performed by the book. You noticed one of the team members moved slightly after delivering a punch, more than likely he used too much recoil in his movement. I hope this helps.
It's always nice to learn about other martial arts, and your comment helped me a lot! Thank so much!
Thank you for your kind comments! They are practicing a kata called "Gae Baek". In Taekwondo, we refer to kata as either "poomsae", "hyung", or "tul". They are synonymous, but the terminology is rigid: Kukkion universally uses "poomsae", while ITF uses either "hyung" or "tul". When you see ITF using the sinewave (up-and-down motions in their forms), then they usually use the term "tul". The remainder tend to use "hyung". Whether you use kata, tul, poomsae, or hyung, we are all brothers and sisters in martial arts, and respect the user's terminology is being a part of that person's journey in a lifelong endeavor to better their lives, further the culture of taekwondo, and recognize the differences we all have between each other. For me, I'm 40 years into Taekwondo (Kukkiwon and ITF), and Aikido (10 years). In that time, I have had the pleasure of sharing in several people's journeys in martial arts, be it Taekwondo, Go Ju Ryu, Shotokan, Aikido, and several others.
Such respect shown to a different martial art style. You’re an ambassador for your art.
ITF taekwondo uses sine wave motion to produce power, plus breathing on impact, tha way they enter the mats is main a team thing.
The word they said in the beginning is simply “Tae Kwon”. I really like the way you use the term momentum in describing the unique ITF “sine wave” movement. Also, instead of saying “poomsae” like the Kukkiwon TKD, ITF use the term “Tul”.
Thank you for taking interest in many arts sensei! Your videos are very admirable!
In Chung Ghee style we say Hyung...ex. as in the second form (kata) shown in this competition, which was Dan Gun Hyung. Incidentally, that sine wave bounce is not as popular in the U.S. Jhoon Rhee tradition. We look more like Teken Warrior or Mortal Combat video games.
Excellent video!
I did Shotokan (1st kyu) many years ago and I do Taekwondo ITF now (2nd Dan).
Many of your questions I did it to myself, until I practiced ITF and I knew the answers. You understood very clearly the sinewave motion, well done!
There are many things in common between Shotokan and ITF since it's creator, Gral Choi was 2nd dan in Karate too, before he created TKD. (TKD in the beginning was known as Korean Karate)
Regards from Argentina!
I thought he was 5th dan in Shotokan before he created Tkd?
@@davidbarnwell_virtual_clas6729 He was 2nd Dan in Shotokan, indeed
Almost all founder of the original 5 kwans and the latter 9 kwans had background in Karate-Do, most of them in Shotokan Karate, one in Shito Ryu Karate and one in Shundokan Karate. Only Hwan Kee the Moo Duk Kwan founder have no official background in Karate, but all the first forms that Hwan Kee taught were exactly the same as Shotokan Katas (even he dosn´t hava a official record of any dan in Karate)
I do ITF Taekwondo and I love it, I also have a Shodan in JKA Shotokan. In ITF we focus in our patterns on Sine wave which is like Tai no shinshuku (contracting and expanding) in Karate. I remember in the Kata Enpi there is a lot Tai no shinshuku. Great video! Can you make more on forms breakdowns in other martial arts? Korean Tang Soo Do is another Shotokan derivative. Thank you! Just subscribed!
As an English martial artist, I have to compliment you on your mastery of the English language
The North Korean team was so crisp and it was really awesome and impressive, but I also loved the creative patterns of rhythm of the Japanese team.
In a tournament this event call “team pattern" normally the 1st Tul is own choose and 2nd Tul is jury choose.
The 1st Tul call Gae Baek, is one of the 1st dan black tul(have 3 Tul)
The 2nd tul call Dan Gun, is yellow belt Tul
I'm a 2nd degree in ITF, training for 22 years and teaching for 16. I really appreciate your commentary. From what I've picked up over the years, the way we teach our techniques seems very similar to Shotokan, but not all ITF schools teach the same way.
Both teams did Gae Beck Hyung first and Tan Gun Hyung second. In most of the ITF schools I've encountered, the first is a black belt form and the second is a beginner form (8th kup/yellow belt). Interesting choice to do a beginner form at that level, but on the other hand both teams better get it close to perfect! I would have to give it to N. Korea as well. They were crisper as a team and stayed in rhythm. If you ever get the opportunity I'd love to hear you review Yoo Shin Hyung (also spelled Yoo Sin). It's one of our longer forms at 68 movements, and I think reflects your art very well. Thanks, great channel!
22 years and still a 2nd degree?I'm sure there is a reason. I was 2nd Degree when I was 12 and 4th Degree at 17, 5th at 22 and then broke my back in a horse riding accident that put an end to everything.
@@liamconnolly164 I was 38 when I started. I've only trained a handful of kids that got to black belt by the time they were 12. They started at age 6 or 7. In our system it's not possible to move up one Dan per year. One of those kids is now a 5th degree and bought the school when our Sabumnim retired.
I started when I was 38, and believe me when I tell you I wish I'd started when I was 7.
@@liamconnolly164 Black belt degree testing at my school didn't require being any better at anything, really. Of course there were new forms to learn, but beyond that the only benchmark was coming up with a demonstration. The finale was doing the demonstration at the big show that would be put on with half a dozen other schools. These shows went on for hours and hours. They were throwbacks to the late 70s when doing live demonstration shows were how schools got new students.
I decided that being promoted just for jumping around on stage for a minute or two was pretty pointless, and concentrated on teaching, which I'm still doing.
Also, I got my first degree when I was 40, so there's that. I have the title of Kyo-sanim, which lets me line up in front of all the non-instructor black belts regardless of degree, which is nice, but not really that important to me. Teaching good techniques and providing encouragement to my students is all I really care about. Sorry about the broken back, I can't imagine how awful that must have been for you.
I like your commentary...fabulous stuff. respectful and yet immersed with curiosity! loving the channel thus far. Great work
ITF was born in South Korea, beacuase the general was south korean general, but he introduced in his Country North and Suth Korean was one.
I don't know more about karate and taekwondo.but after watching your video I am interested in this . really you are best.
The sine wave (up-down motion) only came in in the later 70s- early 80s around the time General Choi went to N Korea. Some people think it was to distance it further from Karate.
Originally the power was generated with a waist twist.
I studied old style Chang Hon (the name of the ITF style) and found the sine wave rather strange when I first encountered it.
Try watching a tul called Won Hyo and you will see its relationship with Shotokan.
I think the sin wave is ridiculous
@@paulpeterson1040 I’m with you. I started in ITF in 1979 and we never did that. I won a lot of pattern tournaments imagining me being in chin deep water and keeping my head as level as possible. The sine wave ruined the patterns.
I wish there are more senses like you. Who respect and compare differences without judgment! 👍
I'm watching your videos for a while now and you really impresses me... while everyone is trash talking other martial arts your approach is just understand them... congrats that's what the world need ... keep it up with the good work. Subscribing right now
I found this guy by accident, by a recommended video watching TotallyPointlessTV; & now o can’t stop watching
So cool! I have never watched a taekwondo presentation before
Love the respect you showed all the time. I never understood why practitioners argue about which martial art is better than other, they are all as good as the person who practices it, and I truly believe that every martial art out there has something to show and something to teach.
I started practising ITF when I was 25 yeras old, now I´m 38 and II Dan, and I also train Krav Maga and Kali Filipino. Wish I had more free time to train and learn from other martial arts.
The goal of team hyung competition is not only scored on power and execution of technique. It is also scored on creativeness, and the degree of difficulty of your formation plus presentation. Shouting the name of the hyung(kata) at the end is common practice for yellow belt and above.
ITF advanced practicioners utilizes sine wave from normal walking motion with hip snap/rotation to generate extra power. The sharp exhale breathing is to defend yourself because if you get hit, you wont get stunned (out of breath)
Great Video as always! 😁
Thank youuu
Body mass dropping, the hip twists, and the twisting and speed of the strike generates the power.
Hello from Switzerland. We are doing also a form of ITF. But our Forms are named Hyongs and not Poomse/Kata. and we train without full bodycontact unless we do defense. Are there some who know this Taekwon-Do? I'm curious and yusuke really good analysation! Keep going:)
Hi, this is an original ITF with HQ in Vienna, Austria. Official website is www.itf-tkd.org :)
I first started Taekwondo in an ITF class, but earned my 1st Dan in a WTF dojang. In Taekwondo, our low punches are aimed at the stomach, middle punches at the solar plexus, and high punches are to the face.
Hyung...yes. We also train with little contact as beginners. the intensity grows as rank progresses. Full gear during sparring until Black Belt. Then it's just hands and feet. There's no benefit to beating each other up and it is also an insurance issue. In our school, brown belts begin to spar with black belts. ReaL contact but with full gear. Black belts get to beat them up...lol.
ITF tul are cool to watch but difficult to do if you arent used to doing ITF tul. I had an ITF black belt visit my dojo once and I asked him if he would show me how to do an ITF tul ( I think it was called Hwarang tul) and the signwave motion was difficult for me to get the timing on at first. Still a fun experience.
@WolvoExPunk1 If he comes back I'll ask him to show me that one. It was a fun experience either way. I love learning how different martial arts approach things.
@@captainbeaver_man903 Simple explanation. Bend your knees before any movement, the rest should just happen. Just don't bend too far.
the movement of Tul such as Dancing stance.. it has meaning not just moves, and it alsi influenced by Taekkyeon foot movement
your telling the truth---happy 2022
I practice both Karate (Kyokushin) and ITF Taekwon-Do so I can understand your perspective.
Good observation about the use of gravity (sinewave motion), in ITF there is a deep exhalation with each movement.
This video you watched was from competitive Teul, we don't normally walk like soldiers in normal practice. This sort of thing is just done to add a little more flair to team competition, not all teams do it either.
Team Teul competition takes more artistic liberties with the choreographies and such to make it more impressive visually and so on.
In individual competition nobody does that and nobody walks funny when going in or out.
You should watch the Teul done individually, check out JUCHE by Jaroslaw Suska (he's one of the greatest champions in Teul)
U do both at same time ?
Thank you very much for uploading this video. In itf taekwon there is the theory of power, which is the basis of the strength of the techniques, whose elements are: speed (the most important), respiratory control, balance, action and reaction movement and concentration (which refers to focus the blow on a single point, such as the knuckles or the edge of the hand) some also consider body mass. but the power can also be generated through the movement of the body, for that reason the practitioners move through a sinusoidal wave when moving. It can also be generated by moving the body up, down, or using the arms in opposite directions or in the same direction, according to the technique.
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They perform 2 Patterns, 1 of their Choice and the other 1 is the Judges Choice. The Judges use a Score Card, which is based on, Technique, Power, Team Work, Choreography, Balance, Breath Control, etc etc, etc.
love your videos keep it up :)
ITF Team pattern competition is not only judged for execution and team synchronicity but also in creativity of presentation. Here they go very simply with a few inner-pair sequences, same facing. I've seen over the years patterns done in circles, back to back, moving in an intermingling star pattern etc the more complex the presentation, the higher the score (i.e. if you stand back to back, you can't see your partners and adjust yourself, thus much more difficult); but synchronicity (team work) is still the foremost criteria.
Regarding high punches; it's simply because the pattern chosen (Dan-Gun; for yellow belt 8th grade to yellow belt with green stripe 7th grade) have those. Dan-Gun follows Chon-Ji which only has middle punches and precedes Do-San which has more various strikes. Thus it introduces that upcoming variation of targets in a simple methodical way from a simpler form.
Great video. The way we move in ITF is following a sine wave pattern, General Choi's theory of power.
The up and down motion of generating power in itf was explained to me as the sine wave.
Enjoyed your commentary. A simple answer to the quick breath out is if you are executing a technique then there is a chance you may receive an attack from the opponent at the same time. By getting the breath out quickly if you are hit say in an area where you could potentially have the breath knocked out of you it won't happen because the breath is gone already since you have expelled it . Your normal reaction then if hit will be to suck breath in thus you can still breath , Yes it may hurt but you can continue to defend or attack because you still can breath because you did not have the breath knocked out of you. I hope I explained it for a clear understanding as to why the ITF we breath as we do. Training ITF since 1983. Thank you again for such a great review.
If u would like to know the tul is called gae baek (44 movements)and is leaned at 1st dan witch is what im on now :)
If you want to learn more about ITF taekwon do check out Grand Master Nardizzi's videos. He explains all the basic movements and how techniques should be performed etc.
Thank you so much! I will check him out!
The second from they did was Dan-Gun, yellow belt form.
Some of the movement for lining up in NK team is from their military marching style. As former us army I use marching as a way to fill in the steps to positions for TKD. It makes it look very clean and formal.
Japanese second tul/kata. The one "bouncing". He was yelling the name of the Tul/kata. That is why he look like bouncing. Great and nice to see analysing other martial art with respect.
Yeah, "sijak (shijak)" means "to begin". I know they say "hajime" in Japan, but from what I've seen on Korean variety shows they also use "sijak" to say "se no" as a starting cue.
おはようございます。I'm a 1st Dan in ITF based (but not affiliated) Taekwondo, and now a green belt in Goju Ryu 空手.
Very interesting video 👍. I liked hearing your perspective on the katas.
Re: oi tsuki, different ITF Taekwondo Kata have different target areas.
You're correct about ITF Taekwondo being similar to Shotokan, as the "main" founder of tkd was a 2nd Dan in Shotokan.
If you get the chance, definitely watch all 24 of the ITF Taekwondo kata.
The way the tul/Kata are performed, does tend to vary slightly from dojang to dojang.
My old dojang tended to welcome more fluid movement (water principle) as you graduated up through the belts.
They used to say that, colour belt period of training, is the fire period/season, and when you reach shodan, you begin the water period/season.
Both seasons/periods supposedly represent the taegyuk (the red/blue yin-yang of the Korean flag).
the second tul was dan gun, the second patern you learn so they dont just do very advanced paterns so you have to stay crisp in every single one
Its always fascinating to watch martial arts. I took a self defense class as hen i was a teenager. But I didn't understand what I was being taught. The teacher was not clear on instructions. It wasn't martial arts. And it was private classes. Maybe I should try a group classes now. But I am not sure what form of martial arts to take. Any advice? I found your channel interesting so I followed. Learning alot. I like the discipline and the teachings behind the art form.
Yes 2 katas/Tuls. The first is pattern chosen by the competitor/team that is within their rank level. The second pattern is randomly chosen by the judges and can be any pattern from white belt to their current level. This ensures that the competitors are sharp on all their patterns and who is better overall.
Great gob, love your videos :3
In ITF they do the oi zuki mainly in the chest, but in this kata (called "Dan Gun") all punchs are in the face.
I see. Thanks for your knowledge!
It is up to preference but usually at chest or eye level. The theory is if you can kick high(more difficult) then kicking middle or low should be a walk in the park.
@@lcw1980 It's not up to preference in ITF. In ITF every technique, block, kick or punch has a set height.
The high punches in Dan Gun are supposed to represent the holy Dan Gun (founder of Korea) either climbing a mountain or ascending to heaven.
@@moominpic For real? Do you have a reference on that? I'd never heard that before.
The team that your saying units showing is Japan is doing tkd forms. N wearing uniforms w black stripes. Like tkd. And the Korean team was doing japanese forms
Second form of Japan Team was Dan-Gun Tul
In the second tul with the rear fighter you were right. It's a mistake if you finish a technique and then wobble
Karate Dojo waKu this is gae baek a 1st degree black belt tul 1 of 3 we have to learn to grade to 2nd dan, second tul was an 8th cup tul called dan gun.
Taekwon-do ITF took karate thecniques becuase the Korean General Choi Hong studied in Japan and learned Karate when he was studing and he combined korean taykion and Jpanese karate
the bounce after the punch was a mess up, it definitely cost his team and taekwondo also calls that move a knife-hand but we use it in a couple other techniques other than to block and hit the neck
The outdo music snuck up on me! But I really like the song!
at 8:26, he bounce because he is shouting the name of the kata. In ITF taekwondo, the name is said before the beginning and at the end of the kata. Hello from Brazil.
Ohh I see. So they're using their lungs to scream out. We depend on the stomach, so that's another difference
You should check out any video of “Won-Hyo” tul, which is almost identical to Heian/Pinan Nidan.
Oh, & a quick explanation. The two Tul/Kata you saw were Ge Baek (2nd Dan) & Dan Gun (7th Kup) In ITF Tae Kwon Do we have punches to High (Nopunde), Middle (Kaunde), & low (Najunde) but in Dan Gun Tul they are specified as High punches. In other Tul (Do San for example) the punches are middle section.
Ge Baek is performed TO PASS to 2nd Dan and Dan Gun TO PASS to 7th Kup)
Well explained, regards
@@basuraeterna yes, that's what I meant. Sorry for not being clearer.
@@Anton_the_Vampire No problem, taekwon!
Pretty impressive for both teams tbh.
The two tuls are choice (normally the highest known tul) and designated (which can be any tul even the same as the one chosen)
You picked up the military aspect as tkd was original designed for the Korean military
There us already a way of doing Shitokan katas almost with this rithm is Tang Soo Do...
I've done itf tkd for 7 yrs now I've never seen someone enter the ring like that
I didn't know Sensei where a Shotokan practicer.i start doing Shotokan past year.i was practicing Hapkido and its dificult for me to do the transition hehehehe
Sin-wave is definitely exaggerated in Patterns or Tuls. General Choi just wanted us to create a good habit by reminding the body or muscle memory where the power is always coming from. Have you ever seen how Mike Tyson moves to create power or any boxer, bob and weave? They throw and upper cut or hook, their body comes back before it comes forward slightly. Baseball to throw the ball, you don’t just throw the ball forward you must bring your arm back first to throw it as hard and far as you can, or hammering a nail, you come up before you come down, you don’t just come down. Better example for martial artists, I’m sure you have all seen karate, ITF tkd, and others try and break stones, concrete blocks, boards etc. they never just come forward or just come down before the break, they come up or backwards first to try and create as much power as possible, this is sine-wave believe it or not! Sine wave is everywhere, it’s just clouded minds that wish not to believe it give it a bad reputation.
Wow, just found your channel. New subscriber here, & I'll have to check out your other videos too. It's fascinating to see a Karate Sensei's take on, Tae Kwon Do. I've often wondered what our Tul would look like if performed by a Karateka. Maybe that's something you could demonstrate in a video?
I was hoping for another video of tkd and secret to there kicks?
We move in wave sign to generate power
The judge always gives the information of which tul you re doing after the bowing and stuff at 1:40 in the video you can hear a guy screaming the name of the tul then junbi which can vary depending on what pattern it is we have different ready stances
I practice ITF Taekwondo, WTF Taekwondo, Aikikai Aikido, and Kyokushinkan Karate. I just comment at your Heian Nidan video saying that Heian Nidan / Pinan Sono Ni kata is around 60% similar to the Won Hyo tul from ITF Taekwondo. Maybe you can make a video in the future to compare Heian Nidan / Pinan Sono Ni with Won Hyo tul.
They are doing Gae-Baek it's one of the 3 from 1st Dan forms/tuls
New subscriber here.. Hope to see more of your video.. Keep safe.
Fun fact at 6:18 they are doing a yellow belt pattern 😂 they legit went down from a first degree black belt tul Ge baek is the 12th, Dan gun is the 2nd i mean that is why tul is so fun to participate in Because you will never know which pattern that will be chosen😂
Having done JKA karate for 5 years, and now doing ITF Taekwondo, I can with confidence say that Katas are much flashier and way more fun to do than Tuls / Poomsaes.
On the flip side though, I find the sparring in Taekwondo to be much more fun as well. It's almost like a trade-off, but I really do miss Katas :\
What do you and other Japanese Martial Artists think about the Bujinkan ? Thanks...
Loved your channel I got some suggestions for content do I leave it here ?
I remember Hwoarang doing some of those in Tekken 3 intro.
Yes , this is form itf taekwon-do
I can't take that walk seriously 💀
In karate it’s called a dojo but in tkd it’s called a dojang
Hi Yusuke. I'm impressed that you figure out the function of our ITF signature sinewave just by watching. Many people think that it is useless, but you get the idea. Bravo.
i like watching karate katha more.. maybe because i was exposed to karate more at the age of 7 with my brothers. due to my father ...nice vlog by the way...i;m from the philippines and i love karate..
You try watching WTF Taekwondo freestyle poomsae
In the first 56 seconds I was laughing idk i learn Taekwondo but they never taught me how to walk like that😂😂😂
Lol!
Rember that the TKD was created by an army general for his army. And how does the army parade march look like ? :)
You should react to TKD demo
itf sine wave is funky
there are different styles of patterns in Taekwondo. Hyong and Poomsae.. depending on ITF or WTF. There are different in motion and technic .. poomsae patterns are more modern(more reviewed and changed over time). Hyong goes back more to the originpatterns of the "founder" general Chong hoi hi(i think i miss spelled it).
If you look to the last 'bounce', you see that they do their punsh and afther that they al do the shout (look at the guys on the left), but the don't do it so expressiv.
Its not wrong because they express more the breathing and the tension by taking it away and put it back in(the bounce).
Is a revarse pounch like uraken
The old ITF didn't have the up and down motion.
The second kata for the Korean team looked like heian nedan
Quite possible that that was the source material. It seems there are also aspects of the 7th gup pattern Do-San in there as well. So Dan-Gun and Do-San possibly had a similar origin.
Best way to prove who won is Kumite or at least kihon
Ok, appart from the north korean ballet dance we see, Taekwondo is to defend yourself against weapons first of all. That is, to remove any weapon your opponent is having, and then to kick him down. That's why "gravity" power. Grab your opponents weapon, and then kick him into immobilization. If you hurt your opponent is ok.
Totally wrong. Also devoted ITF practioner will never call the hyungs a ballet dance.
Too bad youre bullshiting my friend, tkd has nothin to do with weapons
@@necijamama6743 really? Nothing to do? Ok s tkd is just to show off when you want at the beach.
@@platterhof pls, look up ITF Taekwondo, it has alot of great techniques and atleast in my school we practically did mma 20 years before it even existed, so yeah, its usefull if you have a good trainer, but on the part of weapons....no, just no, if u want to do stuff with weapons look up Pekiti Tirsia Kali which I also train, most real, most advanced martial art to do with weapons, if i had a chance to train PKT instead of TKD all my life i would, bc its alot more real and yeah i like knifes ahaha
ITF-Taekwon-Do come from Shotokan Karate.
back in the days does karate effective against jeet kun do or kung fu originated and popularized by the Legend Bruce lee
at 7:01 the form they did was a very low chon ji form if i remember correctly 6 or 7th gup maybe its a tie breaker and were asked to perform the lower form as most BB wouldnt have much practice actually performing it because they teach it so often ( yes i got caught like that many years ago ) I looked like an idiot lol. or so i thought anyways, must have been a tie breaker both teams performed same form, for those doing palgwe or tae guek forms notice in the chong ji style they do half circle with there feet coming in and circling out i dont see that in tourneys from other schools with the palgwe or tae guek forms nor did i learn them that way after doing the chon ji forms for many years was a hard habit to break which even to this day ill catch myself doing.
you should learn how to kick like them and add it to your kicks. would be pretty fun i'd say.
The original art I came from is Taekwondo (wtf)
But what I heard about them is they are using is what I heard
"sine wave?"
please someone correct me if I am wrong.
You may try sensie to see and comment about the art "sikaran" it is like the taekwondo version in my country.
Yes we call it the sine wave. Using the natural up and down motion of walking it generate extra power during the downward(gravity assistance) phase. We also use it together with hip snap or hip rotation to generate even more power.
@@lcw1980 please sir tell me more about it. Since before I am wondering If I could Apply it in my sparring in (wtf) ?
@@elmarmamaril3958 basically in any natural downward motion of your body you should execute you technique together with it.
I do WT (WTF). WTF is more linear motion. You can do the Sine Wave of ITF. I think it has a lot of value in “Finishing” moves such as in your self defense or One Step Sparring moves.
ITF theory of power is the Sine Wave while WTF is Action / Reaction and twisting power. Both have value. I can see applications of Sine Wave in strikes such as Hammer Fist while I see Twisting applications in more close-quarter situations. The targets you mention are interesting. In WTF we spend a lot of time with Solar Plexus strikes, gradually raising the target area to the neck as we get more advanced. Thank you so much for your unbiased videos. They are helpful as we indeed are all ONE!
i miss training 😕
You should react to taekwondo freestyle
in tkwd we call forms poomsae (i could have spelled it wrong)
And in ITF we call them tuls or hyun(g)s, depending on when they are from.