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I prefer Old school TaeKwonDo because I grew up with it when I started at 7 years old. I'm now 30 and there's a huge difference. Not only sparring, but forms (poomsae/hyong) and the philosophy itself. These days, I feel like the emphasis is more on performance/show, sparring/competition and politics more so than the self defence part. But this might just be me and my opinion :)
I like the OLD Taekwon-Do bcoz it has more emphasis on power and rapid attacks + counter as well. They also put their hands up for blocking and they do punch although may not be punching as much as ITF Taekwondo version. The new WTF taekwondo focusing on "point scoring" aspect way too much😅😅 Btw, my friends and I looking forward to see your reaction and opinions regarding OLD/NEW ITF Taekwon-Do sparring. Thanks sensei😁
I prefer Old Taekwondo. I got shodan in TKD when I was young and that's the style I'm familiar with. However, I think NEW Taekwondo is heading to a good direction. A friend of mine actually continues the study of TKD and he is now an owner of a TKD school. Visiting his school, NEW Taekwondo has better training method compared to the Old days. It is safer and more uniformed than before (Poomsae is so much more uniformed now compared to the old days). The sparring nowadays focus a lot on speed than power because of the new point system. In the Old days, head and chest are all one point (thus, we practice double roundhouse A LOT, because we want to maximize our points).
Old school tkd is a lot more fun to train and watch. I've been trying to implement more of these techniques into my training and it feels so good to catch someone with a solid hit unlike the lighter taps that have become common in modern tkd
The worst thing happened to Tae Kwon do was bringing it up to the Olympics. Tae Kwon Do is a beautiful martial art focused on speed and power. TKD kicks are beautiful, fast and powerful. Now when you watch a TKD match, unfortunately, you don't see that beauty anymore.
Agreed. Olympic Tae Kwon Do is not really a martial art, in my opinion. It is just a T-rex type of kick-fest pretending that fighters do not have arms or fists.
Remember the old rules in English “a point will only be given for physically displacing the opponent” which everyone took to mean that we had to bang so hard you had to move the opponent back or to the side by a foot lol
Old school Taekwondo instructors like Grandmaster Hee ill Cho put emphasis on lunging and thrusting their hips forward to generate more speed to create power behind their kicks. The object was to knock your opponents out, not just score points. The old school tkd was more of a fighting style, not the watered down sport style being taught in the west nowadays.
I quit in 1990 because my masters work visa ran out after five years. We as a school never involved ourselves in competitions. It was never questioned. After he left the school closed. Still wanting to practice I went on to ATA having to start over at white from green ( progression was slow ) I was told to either ease up significantly during sparring and kicking pads or leave. I left.
@@amyth8388 Sounds like you're at a McDojo. Go to an international level tournament and ask an athlete warming up to tap you. TKD was the event with the most injuries in the 2000 Olympics, nearly all foot and shin fractures and bruises. I've been a ref at my country's Olympic selection tournaments, it's not toe-tapping. th-cam.com/video/0f6LiOAP47M/w-d-xo.html
@@xyaeiounn 2000s taekwondo is very different than taekwondo in 2020. Electronic scoring drastically changed the style. I sparred (been beaten up by) 4 worlds paprticipants and 1988 olympic silver medalist. The recent world champion hit lighter but with more head kicks. They use their front leg more and lean back when kickinh with their rear leg thats why it has less power.
Man it's such a shame this style died. Like every martial art that becomes an Olympic sport, the martial art changes for the worst. It's the same with judo. I sure hope Muay Thai or MMA don't get recognized as Olympic sports.
Yeah, these guys are shooting to kill. This is nothing like the step aerobics we've got now. I don't even want to get excessively down on the modern sport, it's really a good fit for a lot of people where they actually live their lives including myself. I train in a different Korean art; my instructor likes to say you're not going to be killed by a mugger on the subway, you're going to be killed by your refrigerator.
@@HenshinFanatic There were, but they were less common, and they came in all flavors: TKD, Karate, and let's not forget Kenpo....it seems in the 80s, there were a ton of "American Karate" schools where linage was sketchy, credentials were nonexistent and n there were the Ninjas....every fool was a ninja....WTF
The Korean words in the beginning roughly translates to "if you try you can do it, it's a fact" ...basically the Nike motto LOL. Just Do It. Glad people are seeing this. These were the days ^_^ loved training in the 90's
@@KarateDojowaKu It's also against conventional wisdom to do a back kick when in closed stance. Maybe that was part of what the coach wasn't happy with, the guy didn't try a back kick again...
@@Samperor It's not impossible to pull off, and you wanna throw one out when countering in closed stance once in a while, just so you don't become predictable... but if you're playing the numbers game, a back kick counter is far more likely to work against an attacker in open stance. That's why it's worth training up your left leg back kick, to counter all those right-footed fighters.
I did taekwondo for a couple yrs starting in 2006, and we were taught to do things from both sides. Ironically, so did almost every other style I've learned, except for boxing. Lol. That was the only one that was focused more on one side.
@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 True, but even in Taekwondo, most people tend to have an accurate leg that they "jab" with and a power leg that they follow through with 👍
We use the punch on sparring to cut the enemy's attack, and then be able to counter-attack him. But outside the sparring we use different kinds of hand hits just as karate. Keep making this kind of videos, I love them!! Such a great analysis.
When I trained tae kwon do in the early seventies, it was still very much influenced by it's Shotokan roots. It was even called"Korean karate". It was a fusion of Japanese and Korean techniques; like Shotokan, but with higher stances and more mobile hips. And, of course, very strong kicks. It had some very effective techniques, but that approach seems to have all but disappeared in the current era.
Realistically, hands down lowers the center of gravity for quicker Mobility. And hands up is not going to stop a kick or even slow it down in most cases. Also realistically, Taekwondo was a colonial martial art of Japanese occupation. It is an artifact of cultural warfare.
@@richardschatz9992 the arms down position is actually deeply rooted although not as blatant arms down but also out a bit away from body its roots ( and is very effective) is to catch kicks and block as well hands up when you think about it whats it protect that your arm already isnt? ideally traditional TDK one arm down usually the front arm and rear arm is about the waist remember traditional TDK your in more of a side stance not a walking style stance
@@rodrigorodriguez509 traditional TKD has roots dating way back hwa rang do and Hapkido would be a close cousin, the high kicks and flying kicks were developed under Japanese occupation to take Japanese soldiers off horseback
@@callofthewildoutdoors Nope and nope. This is Korean propaganda that was developed after the Japanese annexation in order to remove traces of Japanese influences from the period following rise in reactionary nationalism. Tae Kwondo is a modern off-shoot of Shotokan Karate that was taught to Koreans who were conscripted into the Japanese army. When the annexation ended, these soldiers tweaked the art to focus on kicks and distance its performance from Karate. Same goes for Hapkido which is a derivative of Jujutsu and Judo. The idea that Koreans used Tae Kwondo kicks to take Samurai off horses is as ridiculous as it is unrealistic. Anyone who thinks a person will be able to kick an armored man off a horse without destroying their leg in the process has never touched a horse, armor or kicked a heavy moving target in their lives.
One of the reasons our kicks seem so straight is because the whole movement is the same as front kick. At the very movement of impact, we chamber our leg and then it turns into a roundhouse kick.
i haven't practiced for about 12 years... but yeah, the difference is when and how we chamber the kicks that's slightly different from karate's more rooted kicks. our kicks are as if we are on the swing and just want to go a little higher, i little further. karate's kick is the person pushing the swing without getting pushed back. i don't know if that made any sense but that's how i imagine it.
@@HowToFight1 that's why the new front leg chambers is so freaking terrifying (for those getting hit) you dont know if it's a low round kick, high round kick, hook kick, or side
I love how martial arts youtuber nowadays just analyse and apply which best techniques suits of their capabalities and not just simply ranting about which martial arts better. They just want to know better.
I like that about martial artist today too; they love to cross-train, have fun with any art you throw at them, and find something they can use to add to their repertoire.
The way my master explained it was using figure skating (of all things) for an analogy. Specifically, the pirouette and how figure skaters could control the speed of rotation.
Yes! It is about time s fellow martial artist pointed this out. Iv been pointing all this out for years. I started out in Tengu Ninjitsu and then studied Shito-ryu karate, Taekwondo, and Shorin-ryu karate. I started Taekwondo in 1997. Today we call it old school Taekwondo. The Taekwondo of today started in 2000, but not all schools taught it until maybe around 2003. I officially stopped training in Taekwondo in 2011 at the rank of 4th black and then a few years later I returned to one of the Taekwondo schools I use to train at. The head instructor pitted me against her champions who study todays Taekwondo. Their kicks were fast, but lack power. My kicks were painful. Towards the end of class the instructor told her students that I studied an older version of Taekwondo. Taekwondo has evolved for competition purposes, but has devolved for defense.
For me is the same with other martial arts that become more competitive, not only taekwondo, but I see this videos and think, taekwondo was more agressive before in the combats and tournaments, that today.
I love how all of them are wearing whatever. Some are wearing the uniform, others parts of the uniform, others just different colored tracksuits. And some of them are barefoot, some wear sneakers.
that's when you know the dojo cares about performance and not appearance ! my sanda gym is the same, we wear whatever comfortable, the sifu is 70 yo and still kick ass :))
This is the style I learned. Old school 80's - 90's era TKD. Hard hitting, fast change up, controlled aggression, and quick recovery. The power of the kicks stem so much from the torque of the hip. Especially on the round house kick. You pull forward almost out of necessity to deliver the full brunt of the force. I miss those days. This made me both happy and a bit sad.
@@KarateDojowaKu I'm so much older now and life has kind of gotten in the way. I'm mulling over a return, but it might not be TKD. It's been about 2o + years.
@@SmootholdGuy i hope you returned, At age 51 I still try to approach TKD as I did in the 80s and 90s but it is a bit harder to do some days....but overall I am glad I returned when I did
the speed and the explosiveness is marvelous...certainly wouldn't want to mess with these guys!! Probably makes a decent impact even with the chest protection in between.
I spent 8 years in Taekwondo from '86-'94. Our sparring scoring had rules for scoring a point, which they called "Trembling Shock". The strike must physically move the opponent to be scored. The only exception was head kicks, where simple contact was sufficient. The match went one to three rounds, and there was no reset after scoring a point. The only time they'd stop the action was for leaving the ring, or an injury.
Back before tae keondo practitioners weren’t scared of getting hurt or losing. This is the style my master began teaching us until he realized that clients were leaving because it got too tough.
oh man.. I wanted to do tkd but the classes and sparring always seemed so soft, ended up changing to kick boxing + muay thai ( haven't practiced for 3 years now and would love to find somewhere to get the type of training this video shows)
@@komitt I do not know if real "old school" TKD even exists anywhere today. But the old school fighters could get in the ring with anyone from Muay Thai to PKA or Kyokushin. In fact we did. Mike Warren and many other would fight 'PKA' the kickboxing of our time '70s. As well, we would train with each other. Herb Perez a TKD gold medalist from the olympics trained with Paul Vizzio a Kickboxing champion, who came from Fu Jaw Pai. But the hard fighters of TKD are gone. Sad but true.
@@johngrossman2180 Ofc it does, ITF Taekwondo is basically still the same good old Taekwondo as it was in the 40's. WT on the other hand is practically not even Taekwondo.
What you see in this video is an old record of university level taekwondo training during 90's in South Korea, the national team train alot harder than this.
Well it looks like this was a slow day for the guys in the video. I'm pretty sure that they have days or periods where they train a lot harder. You can't train 110% all year round, it's counter productive, so there are softer training days too and this is what we can see in this video.
Nope. Korean elite athletes usually are full-time athletes care of district governments or public/private companies. There goal is olympic medals. After retired, they gonna have jobs in their teams or go back to university teams.
So a few things here. In modern sports Taekwondo, everybody keeps their hands down but it actually started as a method to bait the opponent into trying to go for the head kick so you could counter them. Good observation about the power from movement part. There is no righty vs lefty in Taekwondo. People try to ambidextrous and have no weak sides. They practice so as to make their left as strong as their right.
There is no righty vs lefty in Taekwondo. People try to ambidextrous and have no weak sides. They practice so as to make their left as strong as their right. →yes others have pointed that out as well. Since that's not so common in karate, I was extremely impressed
Yep, many top fighters in MMA also fight with their hands down as well. It helps with balance, and your punches have more power as they travel further.
@@tjl4688 I don't watch a lot of MMA, but I've only seen Anderson Silva and Israel Adesanya play that way. Silva used to do that because low hands makes defending takedowns easier. It also helps him with his counter-striking by baiting opponents in. Adesanya does that because he too is a precise counter striker. Plus, his style is very deceptive, which keeps opponents guessing. And further proving his nickname, The Last Stylebender also uses guards from a variety of martial arts including Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Karate, and more when required, using his hands for frames, posts, traps, and much more. Who else plays with their hands down?
@@l.k.9666 Never seen Gunnar Nelson play, but Stephen Thompson and Connor McGreggor just have a more side stance. Their arms still are up. Not as high as other fighters, but they don't keep them down 'Manhattan Guard' fashion either. In fact, Oliver Enkamp and Lyoto Machida also fight in a similar fashion. It's mostly a point Karate footwork thing, darting in and out.
👍This young Karate sensei is more matured & impartial than many proud old traditional senseis. Yes, adopt whatever is good for u, no matter which style. And most of all, do not shut your mind to think yours is superior.
That might just be the difference between practice and competition though? In practice, having fun and trying weird stuff doesn't cost you. In competition it might be what costs you the match and sends you home from the tournament. When was the last time anyone tried scoring a point in a karate tournament with a jumping (from a fainted maegeri) uchiro-ura-mawashi-geri? Yet we tried that kind of move in the dojo
@@KarateDojowaKu I hate to bring movies into a martial arts discussion, but if you want to see some good old school TKD, check out Best of the Best. One of the co-stars was Simon Ree, his brother Phillip played his main opponent. In their fight scene they put on a fantastic display. Both are masters in the art, and used their talent to create a minimally choreographed finale. FYI: don't bother watching the sequels, they're trash.
@@KarateDojowaKu For me, it meant that you couldn't work on a common fighting formula based on the modern points system. Back in the old days, it was a full-contact chess match with very dynamic shifting of moves and tactics to get the knockout shots. There was a reason tournaments in the old days were called "Headhunter" competitions. Often it was the sparring tactician who made the first mistake that lost. I even have a scar above my eyebrow line from when I was the one who got faked into zigging when I should have zagged.
Hey bro, in my opinion old school is definitely better if someone wants to train to fight. Talking about new school, it does have a lot of creativity, nowadays I am seeing many different types of kicks on the internet. And those kicks are absolutely cool to look at. Obviously they are just to score points though.
This is the tkd I missed where your form, strikes and techniques looks more like you can fight than hop around like a chicken (new tkd) Sparring really makes your body sore You can get hurt and feel the pain You feel like a real warrior compared to the unli side kick front kicks hop flaps of the twk today..
Everyone likes old school better ... *some people make excuses but honestly NOBODY - also take note that those old school TKD techniques have slowly started to trickle into MMA and alot of knockouts have occurred over recent years.... computerized scoring has completely changed it.... they don't' even try to kick that hard anymore.
Yes I’m ashamed of what it has become. We used to focus on speed power and technique. As this videos demonstrated. It’s rubbish now and I don’t want my kids learning the new way of TKD. Computerised scoring has taken away the true art.
Yeah, The rise of modern mma is bringing back these harder versions of mma. Especially after people like cro cop, or wonder boy today. I mean, who really cares about the Olympic martial art sports really...?
The fighting principle for tkd is based on the spinning top. Not focused on the power bcoz the power will come once u r accurate & fast. Sort of physics re power=speed & weight.
Good thing I have a good teacher. I've practiced W.T.F Taekwondo for about 9 years now. I can confirm that this "old school" style still exists, you just have to find a good school and a good teacher (which is pretty hard these days). We usually spar without gear and full contact, though if you want to practice sparring for competition you usually train with gear on because you want to get as close to a real tournament as possible. We also do something that modern W.T.F schools usually don't, we practice conditioning a lot.
Karate Dojo waKu The way you analyze their kicks and what you would do if you were sparring them! so im watching some karate sparrings and other martial arts to adapt and apply it to my style it makes all martial arts very exciting and interesting! keep it up!
We're about the same age and started training around the same time... I started at 13 in 1999. First generation Korean immigrant as my instructor. Much different than how it is now, even in his school. I think as he's aged and realized the American culture, he sees how he can make more money/retain membership softening his teaching. When he was younger and hungry, he whooped our ASSES
A side note about the hip thrusting: As I was trained, almost every front oriented kick in TKD starts by chambering the knee up straight and forward. The idea is not to telegraph which kick you will use (front kick, roundhouse, etc) until you commit to it in the second phase of the kick. The hip thrusting helps offset the loss of power from not rotating the whole body from the start of the kick. Another small difference is TDK guys will usually almost always only impact with the instep or heel of the foot.
In traditional Taekwondo sparring in the past, one guards with hands (although poorly compared to kickboxing), and when closing to the opponent after a kick, throw a punch into the opponent's body to interrupt opponent's next move or push to make distance, and then immediately perform a roundhouse kick. And quickly changing the left and right stance, moving forward, placing importance on the fast roundhouse kick left and right combo.
I started in 1973, so 1997 to me seems still pretty new. Prior to the ITF Olymic style, Tae Kwon Do was similar to karate in that we also used punches including punches to the head. This had us keeping our guard up. Probably, in Tae Kwon Do then, we used more high kicks than traditional karate at that time (although later, we saw karateka also using high kicks more frequently). Gradually, rules were made to showcase Tae Kwon Do Kicks, so head punches were eliminated, and then came the ITF Olympic style where punches were rarely or never used. Personally, I think that the ITF style fighting changed Tae Kwon Do for the worst as fighters completely lost hand skill. When ITF Olympic style fighters go to open tournaments with karateka using their hand punches, the ITF fighters almost always lose because they are not prepared for fast hand techniques or close fighting.
You mean WTF (World Tae Kwon Do Federation). WTF is the newer Olympic style. ITF was started by General Choi; the style keeps hands up and has lots of hands to the head. TKD was assembled in the '50 from the Kwons (schools) that reopened after WWII after Japanese left Korea. Look at some Chung Do Kwon for traditional TKD.
@@mlmiller110 Yup, but even now the new ITF has been ruined by ugly sine waves and poor sparring habits. I started in ITF 45 years ago when it was a more beautiful art.
@@mlmiller110 Actually, actually, WT (they dropped the "F" when it was noticed how the acronym resembled something else) was created first. It was only after the founder of Taekwondo, Choi Hong-hi was kicked out for sharing Taekwondo with North Korea which lead him to moving abroad. He eventually returned and defected to North Korea where he founded the rival organization of ITF.
Its really great to see a martial artist giving his reviews about another martial art while comparing different aspects. The comparisons and analysis are really sensible and not turning into 'this vs that'.
@@JKBEAST you’re not quite getting the point. Competing against each other is one thing, but the entire spirit of TKD is lost when guys start hitting each other with zero power and only worry about scoring points. It’s why kickboxing, Muay Thai and boxing are good bases in mma and tkd and karate are not - all practicality of the martial arts have been lost due to their sport variants.
@@abluequaker5486 yeah, if you are talking about the very spirit of the martial art, in this specific aspect I absolutely agree with you. Basically you meant the focus is not on fighting skills but on points. Gotcha bro. Agreed✌️
Love this kind of videos!!! The old school teakwondo indeed seems more like a true martial art where they research true knock-out power and speed instead of only going for the points...
I've trained taekwondo for 12 years straight and these guys remind me of the old days, when i watch the new taekwondo, the way they spar and compete is literally a joke, watching this, made me scared and reminded me of how good of a sport it was.
You are right about the spin back kick. It is not a spin, you turn the heel of the front leg towards the target, then you turn the upper body just to be able to see with peripheral vision over the shoulder. After you see the target, the kick is similar to switching the legs but they are close to each other. So you don't have a big circular leg movement.
Joe Rogan is just over two years older than me and stopped competing at about the same time as I first travelled internationally to compete. He's a tragic who's wangled fame from media without having one pro bout. He's that wiseguy with shit for brains you know at work and uses HGH to try to stay athletic into his 50s. I don't know why he's ever mentioned in any discussion about martial arts.
@@xyaeiounn Joe was 4 time state champion , one time Us open champion, and came second in the world championship. At least that’s what he said on his podcast. Is that bs credentials ? I wouldn’t spontaneously say so. A lot of competitors he had to beat to get those titles.
@@joyousnomad1 I don't think it's taking anything away from his amateur record to say that he's a tragic. He did well in some competitions and he can talk about combat sports, he's been there. Any time someone starts to talk him up though, I have to remember he's from a time where TKD wasn't really international and the standards were trash compared to now. I'm from just after that time, i remember it. Saying his kicks are real strong and asking is he doing some old-school, more legit form of TKD is just wrong-headed.
@@xyaeiounn aww is someone upset? Bruh he just didn’t want to fucking compete and went to the UFC get over it he’s still a black belt and a talented martial artist you claim your not taking anything away from him even though that’s exactly what you just did
I'm right handed but a stronger left kicker. I've studied Tae Kwon Do in the late 90's and Kenpo later. I moved away once and could no longer study Tae Kwon Do, and took up Kenpo which was available in my town. A year later I returned to my old Tae Kwon Do school while in town, and the Instructor said he could certainly tell I had switched to Karate. Very interesting what you said what makes Tae Kwon Do kicks special.
I'm born 1971 and did taekwondo 1981-2000 and... In all honesty, these guys are exceptional. Their catlike reflexes... Many black belts in Thailand and Sweden where I've been practicing didn't look this good. Some did but not the entire class. Many real good competitors trained like this like 1-2 hrs after "regular" class. Just to sharpen their game before a big tournament. But Korea is Korea... Especially in the 90s. I believe you could or can be a Dr in taekwondo there. Many thanks man. Like your unbiased style😊
I am very impressed by your open minded approach to other arts. It gives me hope for the future. I've trained in ITF Taekwondo as well as a few other arts. Of all the martial arts I trained I tried to take something from each of them. Taekwondo taught me accuracy and power in kicks like I had never seen, their ability to snap a kick off is so impressive. Add to that speed their accuracy, you are trained to snap your head over the shoulder a milisecond and spot your target before you release the kick. Its incredibly hard to master but if you do almost no one can block the kick because its so fast. These students are exceptional; sadly a lot of the modern Taekwondo is too focused on point sparring so they do not train like this much anymore.
When training in '88 I went to a TKD school with several good fighters. The training was intense and for all the people who ask why someone isn't trying to block the kicks with their arms? the largest of the fighters, a light heavyweight broke a competitors forearm with a back kick which they tried to block by putting up his front arm. Truly an ugly situation. But it teaches us to roll with a strike, like a boxer rolls with a punch; and avoid the stronger ones.
You are very humble,open minded, and respectfully,,I like the fact you point out the positive in other martial arts,,and I'm sure you incorporate those positive aspects into your personal style,,, and,,,that what makes a TRUE MARTIAL ARTIST,,,MAHALO FROM ADAM,,BIG ISLAND HAWAII 👣✝️
They are using their chest protectors as combat pads by using their arms to create space. Its a cool idea. I began learning tyekwondo in the early 80s, at around 6 or 7. Many of these videos bring back a lot of memories. Since then I've studied many martial arts styles. From all over, including South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Thailand, and even arts invented and shaped right here in america. In those studies, I've gained many interesting perspectives on the arts. Loved every minute of it. Even the painful ones. Learning traditionalist based martial arts taught in the old way. You can know one thing for certain, there will be pain, but its an invaluable experience that will give you an even better perspective on what martial arts were, and how they have adapted over time. And the pros and cons of both. I really was in sort of in the right place at the right time. My first master, was a Small South Korean ex-soldier who came over to America. 9th dan in tye kwon do. As well as a 5th dan in hapkido, and a 3rd in jujitsu. He was a great guy. Taught me many things. Even when it wasn't always profitable for him. He passed many years ago. He is still missed.
I have no idea why I got recommended your video but since I've been training TKD for many years that made me smile... that's how I learnt, that's how I trained my students, two became county champions, sadly they often lost on points once we started using electronic equipment. Now we just train for fun. Thank you for your open-minded evaluation!
Sport TKD competition changed in response to competition rules. What you learn overall in class maybe different than what you see in sport competition. If the TKD is traditional it will include a wider variety of techniques.
I started my marital arts training in 1974, learning Tae Kwon Do. My instructor was of the mindset that we were learning how to FIGHT, not score points. We were trained to deliver our kicks with precision, control, and power, moving ourselves forward to force the opponent to move backwards. From what I've seen in most schools now...it's all about "scores" and "points", and nothing to do with actual fighting. They've taken the "martial" out of the art.
I was originally trained in the traditional form of Taekwondo back in 1982-1987. I left to the military and life happened. 35 years later I’m continuing my journey and I have to say that I’m glad I learned the old style, I also believe the new Olympic style will be complimented because of it.
This is the Taekwondo I trained in as a teenager and young adult. It is satisfying to see their movement and kicks. The footwork and rapid directional changes and pauses are great. This is when Taekwondo had hope of translating into MMA well. Oh well. Taekwondo sparring was like a fight back then. Not a game.
Guys posting and commenting on videos like this need to understand there are traditional martial arts and then sport equivalents. Whether it's karate, taekwondo etc. You can train for competitive sport. You can train for traditional art. You can train for both. There's nothing wrong with it as long as you don't claim yourself as something you're not.
Yeah,it is also my favorite kick, someone approached me and i used the reverse backwards side kick to counter him,he blocked with his leg and he said his leg was sore for 3 days,as i am not very flexible,i spent a lot of time on this kick and i made it my ultimate counter attack
@@KarateDojowaKu Jamming kicks was a favourite counter of mine in TKD, especially against opponents who like to use reverse hook/crescent kicks. A proper reverse side kick (chambered early) is almost impossible to nullify completely. Once it backfired though, because my opponent was wearing a plastic knee brace, which hit me in the ribs when I closed distance to counter a reverse crescent kick.
We used to compete in Karate tournaments. We had trouble handling all the face punches, but our TKD back kicks worked very well against the karate fighters.
My dad was born in ‘55 in Korea. He’s a 3rd-5th degree black belt. The taekwondo he taught/showed me involved punches and grapples, on top of kicks. Also, hands up.
When I did it, it was 1 hand up and 1 hand in the middle. Allowed for baiting, some easier blocking of low and mid level kicks, and felt more balanced. I think can assist speed over having both high. But, there is a compromise, obviously.
I started training in TKD in 1989, right before I turned 5 yrs old (I was his youngest student at the time). My instructor was actually one of the coaches for the US Olympic Team. The way he taught how to properly spin was by comparing it to figure skaters. In order to maintain balance, you only turn your head in single movements, rather than let it spin with your body. Basically quick 180 degree shifts. It helps reduce dizziness.
@@KarateDojowaKu check out Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu for that. She's a pro Muay Thai fighter who's trying to get the Guinness World Record for most number of pro fights. She was until recently with Petchrungruang Gym in Pattaya. She trains with some of the best Nak Muays from the 90s like Yodkunpon and Dieselnoi & she fights girls who are bigger than her most of the time, including kard chuek fights where the fists are wrapped in rope & the only way to win is by KO. Her pro record is 170-73-10, 89 KOs.
I trained like this for 3 years in Barcelona Spain. Korean masters that immigrated to Barcelona in the 70s and 80s have kept this training style alive.
Hello. Please react to the "1969 Professional Karate Championships" for a taste of old school American karate It's definitely worth the watch, it's a very interesting time in the early days of karate becoming popular in the US
Before, our goal for every kick was to knock out the opponent and end the fight early. That’s why we were so obsessed with effective high kicks and risky turning kicks to the head. To train in hardcore tkd was the most unforgettable experience I ever had.
My father learned Taekwondo in the 80s and later on taught me. I got made fun of a lot for practicing it, but as I didn't get taught the competitive side, rather the actual martial art, I never had a problem to defend myself yet.
Taekwondo kick saping fast forcing .result u can see 70 year old karete master still prety good on perfomaning.but Taekwondo masters injured lot or becouse of alged slowed down or lose flexability those wip like kicks high angles .so thier prime span shorter ofc some peıople event cant practive serious Taekwondo injuries or speed and forcing those kicks they change to other martials arts like karete.its not mean better or stronger just as i said more demanding some special psyical atributes.those hight kicks specially so demaning .karate is safer .im not talking about this vdieo general.and im not saying anything ad ay martial art about.just Taekwondo is more forcing some joints result more injuries like some prot sport at.after some time they pile up. like taichi why is popular with aged people becouse of its calm slow movment like meditation.they not forcing stressing body.karete not demanding as core.its depend person or his school. sorry for bad grammer.self learned.
in my college days. we used to have a TKD subject (Physical Education) Our professor is an old school TKD blackbelt. he quit TKD when he got kick in his jaw and got an injury. He teaches us like some mix of karate and TKD for good offense and defense and also he use some difficult training to ensure that we can last longer in the fight.
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I prefer Old school TaeKwonDo because I grew up with it when I started at 7 years old. I'm now 30 and there's a huge difference. Not only sparring, but forms (poomsae/hyong) and the philosophy itself. These days, I feel like the emphasis is more on performance/show, sparring/competition and politics more so than the self defence part. But this might just be me and my opinion :)
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I like the OLD Taekwon-Do bcoz it has more emphasis on power and rapid attacks + counter as well. They also put their hands up for blocking and they do punch although may not be punching as much as ITF Taekwondo version.
The new WTF taekwondo focusing on "point scoring" aspect way too much😅😅
Btw, my friends and I looking forward to see your reaction and opinions regarding OLD/NEW ITF Taekwon-Do sparring. Thanks sensei😁
I prefer Old Taekwondo. I got shodan in TKD when I was young and that's the style I'm familiar with. However, I think NEW Taekwondo is heading to a good direction. A friend of mine actually continues the study of TKD and he is now an owner of a TKD school. Visiting his school, NEW Taekwondo has better training method compared to the Old days. It is safer and more uniformed than before (Poomsae is so much more uniformed now compared to the old days). The sparring nowadays focus a lot on speed than power because of the new point system. In the Old days, head and chest are all one point (thus, we practice double roundhouse A LOT, because we want to maximize our points).
Old school tkd is a lot more fun to train and watch. I've been trying to implement more of these techniques into my training and it feels so good to catch someone with a solid hit unlike the lighter taps that have become common in modern tkd
The worst thing happened to Tae Kwon do was bringing it up to the Olympics. Tae Kwon Do is a beautiful martial art focused on speed and power. TKD kicks are beautiful, fast and powerful. Now when you watch a TKD match, unfortunately, you don't see that beauty anymore.
@ikmal fakimal Totally agreed, I practiced TKD Jidokwan in the early 90's. It was completely different at what you see now.
Itf taekwondo is what remains
wdym you still see the speed when you watch sparring matches, thats what its about nowadays, speed
Agreed. Olympic Tae Kwon Do is not really a martial art, in my opinion. It is just a T-rex type of kick-fest pretending that fighters do not have arms or fists.
Agreee
When someone's training with their jacket on like they just came home from a tekken match, you don't trifle with them lol
People who wear jackets in fights can usually fuck you up
@@hypnoticskull6342 Right they dont seem to think they need to remove extra weight yet.
And on hardwood floors at that!! Hells to the no! I'm gonna apologize and go about my damn way!
There are weightclasses in TKD, so some do this to get down closer to tournaments.
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This was the way we trained Taekwondo before.
Kicks used to knocked opponents not for easy scoring.
Very different from now
Most definitely different from modern taekwondo. Old school taekwondo, kicks were thrown with intent and purpose.
Ah. The good old days.
Remember the old rules in English “a point will only be given for physically displacing the opponent” which everyone took to mean that we had to bang so hard you had to move the opponent back or to the side by a foot lol
@@Tomatito1981 I think it was something about "tumbling impact".
Old school Taekwondo instructors like Grandmaster Hee ill Cho put emphasis on lunging and thrusting their hips forward to generate more speed to create power behind their kicks. The object was to knock your opponents out, not just score points. The old school tkd was more of a fighting style, not the watered down sport style being taught in the west nowadays.
My grandmaster encourages this. Got laughed at when I visited another school, in warmups, but bruised ribs will make you change your mind.
Agreed
I quit in 1990 because my masters work visa ran out after five years. We as a school never involved ourselves in competitions. It was never questioned. After he left the school closed. Still wanting to practice I went on to ATA having to start over at white from green ( progression was slow ) I was told to either ease up significantly during sparring and kicking pads or leave. I left.
@@ronaldowens5025 Man that sucks
@@ronaldowens5025 Seemed like your master was more interested in teaching how to fight than how to win some tournament, good for him.
I like this channel, the Karate sensei is humble and open minded.
Thanks so much! I will openmindedly be reviewing other martial arts on this channel!
@@KarateDojowaKu thanks for being so respectful to TKD, you are a nice person.
Very humble. He is a true Martial Artist. Not just a Karate Sensei...We love every style...
Totally agree. No what what your art form, there is something to be had from all.
@@KarateDojowaKu please react to this compilation of Lyoto Machida's karate moves in MMA: th-cam.com/video/CQr950AhbRE/w-d-xo.html
The difference in training for POWER rather than POINTS.
TKD players hit harder these days, the movement is so abbreviated and efficient you can't see it loaded up though.
@bhauger1 but someone with a conditioned body will do well with just a little boxing training on top of the tkd.
@@xyaeiounn no they don't they literally tap people with their toes and I do taekwondo and yes, I have sparred before it just feels like toe tapping.
@@amyth8388 Sounds like you're at a McDojo. Go to an international level tournament and ask an athlete warming up to tap you. TKD was the event with the most injuries in the 2000 Olympics, nearly all foot and shin fractures and bruises.
I've been a ref at my country's Olympic selection tournaments, it's not toe-tapping.
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@@xyaeiounn 2000s taekwondo is very different than taekwondo in 2020. Electronic scoring drastically changed the style. I sparred (been beaten up by) 4 worlds paprticipants and 1988 olympic silver medalist. The recent world champion hit lighter but with more head kicks. They use their front leg more and lean back when kickinh with their rear leg thats why it has less power.
Man it's such a shame this style died. Like every martial art that becomes an Olympic sport, the martial art changes for the worst. It's the same with judo. I sure hope Muay Thai or MMA don't get recognized as Olympic sports.
The constant restriction of Judo techniques is such a shame. It used to have so many great leg grab takedowns.
Olympic boxing is still hard, so maybe it's more with how the rules for the Olympic version is set and not the fact that it's in the Olympics!
@@TheCzarsoham its the mums that ruin contact sports. Kevin just got his braces lmaooo
@@TheCzarsoham Nah... Olympic boxing is nothing like professional boxing. They box for points just like in karate
Many places still train like this. It's just the comps that aren't good
I've never seen anyone move like that before. I've gained new respect for taekwondo. These guys are beasts. That snap, oof
Yeah, these guys are shooting to kill. This is nothing like the step aerobics we've got now.
I don't even want to get excessively down on the modern sport, it's really a good fit for a lot of people where they actually live their lives including myself. I train in a different Korean art; my instructor likes to say you're not going to be killed by a mugger on the subway, you're going to be killed by your refrigerator.
Taekwondo before 2010 aproximately was this good.
This is how we did it in the 80s and 90s
@@samdkatt7947 Yeah, though there were still McDojangs even back then.
@@HenshinFanatic There were, but they were less common, and they came in all flavors: TKD, Karate, and let's not forget Kenpo....it seems in the 80s, there were a ton of "American Karate" schools where linage was sketchy, credentials were nonexistent and n there were the Ninjas....every fool was a ninja....WTF
The Korean words in the beginning roughly translates to "if you try you can do it, it's a fact" ...basically the Nike motto LOL. Just Do It. Glad people are seeing this. These were the days ^_^ loved training in the 90's
Haha yeah it's exactly like Nike
@@KarateDojowaKu It's also against conventional wisdom to do a back kick when in closed stance. Maybe that was part of what the coach wasn't happy with, the guy didn't try a back kick again...
@@MrHarumakiSensei Did not know that.
@@Samperor It's not impossible to pull off, and you wanna throw one out when countering in closed stance once in a while, just so you don't become predictable... but if you're playing the numbers game, a back kick counter is far more likely to work against an attacker in open stance.
That's why it's worth training up your left leg back kick, to counter all those right-footed fighters.
The reason why all seem that they are lefties is because from the beginning your a thaught in TKD to kick ambidextrous (because of the ruleset)
So true! We were always taught to train both.
I did taekwondo for a couple yrs starting in 2006, and we were taught to do things from both sides. Ironically, so did almost every other style I've learned, except for boxing. Lol. That was the only one that was focused more on one side.
@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 True, but even in Taekwondo, most people tend to have an accurate leg that they "jab" with and a power leg that they follow through with 👍
@@daveyjones18 yeah. Everyone has their preferred/dominant side.
I believe there's also a significant taoism component. Balance is extraordinarily important to Korean culture, study their flag and see.
We use the punch on sparring to cut the enemy's attack, and then be able to counter-attack him. But outside the sparring we use different kinds of hand hits just as karate. Keep making this kind of videos, I love them!! Such a great analysis.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Yes I will continue to make videos!
When I trained tae kwon do in the early seventies, it was still very much influenced by it's Shotokan roots. It was even called"Korean karate". It was a fusion of Japanese and Korean techniques; like Shotokan, but with higher stances and more mobile hips. And, of course, very strong kicks. It had some very effective techniques, but that approach seems to have all but disappeared in the current era.
@Rob Koch Yeah, I just don't get the "continuous attack with your arms at your sides" thing. But hey, to each his own...
Realistically, hands down lowers the center of gravity for quicker Mobility. And hands up is not going to stop a kick or even slow it down in most cases.
Also realistically, Taekwondo was a colonial martial art of Japanese occupation. It is an artifact of cultural warfare.
@@richardschatz9992 the arms down position is actually deeply rooted although not as blatant arms down but also out a bit away from body its roots ( and is very effective) is to catch kicks and block as well hands up when you think about it whats it protect that your arm already isnt? ideally traditional TDK one arm down usually the front arm and rear arm is about the waist remember traditional TDK your in more of a side stance not a walking style stance
@@rodrigorodriguez509 traditional TKD has roots dating way back hwa rang do and Hapkido would be a close cousin, the high kicks and flying kicks were developed under Japanese occupation to take Japanese soldiers off horseback
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Nope and nope. This is Korean propaganda that was developed after the Japanese annexation in order to remove traces of Japanese influences from the period following rise in reactionary nationalism.
Tae Kwondo is a modern off-shoot of Shotokan Karate that was taught to Koreans who were conscripted into the Japanese army.
When the annexation ended, these soldiers tweaked the art to focus on kicks and distance its performance from Karate.
Same goes for Hapkido which is a derivative of Jujutsu and Judo.
The idea that Koreans used Tae Kwondo kicks to take Samurai off horses is as ridiculous as it is unrealistic.
Anyone who thinks a person will be able to kick an armored man off a horse without destroying their leg in the process has never touched a horse, armor or kicked a heavy moving target in their lives.
One of the reasons our kicks seem so straight is because the whole movement is the same as front kick. At the very movement of impact, we chamber our leg and then it turns into a roundhouse kick.
Ohh I see so you lift the knee up vertically first...very interesting
@@KarateDojowaKu Sensei Seths video on Roundhouse Kicks has a good explanation of the tkd roundhouse.
i haven't practiced for about 12 years... but yeah, the difference is when and how we chamber the kicks that's slightly different from karate's more rooted kicks. our kicks are as if we are on the swing and just want to go a little higher, i little further. karate's kick is the person pushing the swing without getting pushed back. i don't know if that made any sense but that's how i imagine it.
@@HowToFight1 that's why the new front leg chambers is so freaking terrifying (for those getting hit) you dont know if it's a low round kick, high round kick, hook kick, or side
@@HowToFight1 yes yes react to sensei seths
I love how martial arts youtuber nowadays just analyse and apply which best techniques suits of their capabalities and not just simply ranting about which martial arts better. They just want to know better.
Thanks!
I like that about martial artist today too; they love to cross-train, have fun with any art you throw at them, and find something they can use to add to their repertoire.
This is the style of taekwondo that I trained in when I earned my Black Belt in 1999. I'm still training now.
Great dedication you have!
Nice, I got mine in 1998 haha, pretty close!
@travis Lol alright.
travis I mean, it’s TKD so....
Same style I started in 87 and earned my Black Belt in 1992. Stayed until 96.
i love how he accurately observe the delivery of Taekwondo turning kicks. (i'm a Taekwondo instructor)
The way my master explained it was using figure skating (of all things) for an analogy. Specifically, the pirouette and how figure skaters could control the speed of rotation.
Do you have any technique for arms/fist/ellbow or it only feet??
Yes! It is about time s fellow martial artist pointed this out. Iv been pointing all this out for years. I started out in Tengu Ninjitsu and then studied Shito-ryu karate, Taekwondo, and Shorin-ryu karate. I started Taekwondo in 1997. Today we call it old school Taekwondo. The Taekwondo of today started in 2000, but not all schools taught it until maybe around 2003. I officially stopped training in Taekwondo in 2011 at the rank of 4th black and then a few years later I returned to one of the Taekwondo schools I use to train at. The head instructor pitted me against her champions who study todays Taekwondo. Their kicks were fast, but lack power. My kicks were painful. Towards the end of class the instructor told her students that I studied an older version of Taekwondo.
Taekwondo has evolved for competition purposes, but has devolved for defense.
I agree to a certain point!
For me is the same with other martial arts that become more competitive, not only taekwondo, but I see this videos and think, taekwondo was more agressive before in the combats and tournaments, that today.
Cool bro can tell us more?
I love how all of them are wearing whatever. Some are wearing the uniform, others parts of the uniform, others just different colored tracksuits. And some of them are barefoot, some wear sneakers.
Not sneakers. They're shoes specifically made for Tae Kwon Do.
that's when you know the dojo cares about performance and not appearance ! my sanda gym is the same, we wear whatever comfortable, the sifu is 70 yo and still kick ass :))
This is the style I learned. Old school 80's - 90's era TKD. Hard hitting, fast change up, controlled aggression, and quick recovery. The power of the kicks stem so much from the torque of the hip. Especially on the round house kick. You pull forward almost out of necessity to deliver the full brunt of the force. I miss those days. This made me both happy and a bit sad.
Thanks for your insight! Why don't you restart?
@@KarateDojowaKu I'm so much older now and life has kind of gotten in the way. I'm mulling over a return, but it might not be TKD. It's been about 2o + years.
@@SmootholdGuy i hope you returned, At age 51 I still try to approach TKD as I did in the 80s and 90s but it is a bit harder to do some days....but overall I am glad I returned when I did
the speed and the explosiveness is marvelous...certainly wouldn't want to mess with these guys!! Probably makes a decent impact even with the chest protection in between.
Yeah! I can image!
I learned TKD in the 1980s, so this is closer to what I learned. It’s interesting to see in just a few videos how it has evolved.
I know right! Huge change
I spent 8 years in Taekwondo from '86-'94. Our sparring scoring had rules for scoring a point, which they called "Trembling Shock". The strike must physically move the opponent to be scored. The only exception was head kicks, where simple contact was sufficient. The match went one to three rounds, and there was no reset after scoring a point. The only time they'd stop the action was for leaving the ring, or an injury.
Why'd you quit?
@@larryoconnor7094 a combination of going to college, and a medical issue that was giving me fainting spells
Back before tae keondo practitioners weren’t scared of getting hurt or losing. This is the style my master began teaching us until he realized that clients were leaving because it got too tough.
oh man.. I wanted to do tkd but the classes and sparring always seemed so soft, ended up changing to kick boxing + muay thai ( haven't practiced for 3 years now and would love to find somewhere to get the type of training this video shows)
@@komitt I do not know if real "old school" TKD even exists anywhere today. But the old school fighters could get in the ring with anyone from Muay Thai to PKA or Kyokushin. In fact we did. Mike Warren and many other would fight 'PKA' the kickboxing of our time '70s. As well, we would train with each other. Herb Perez a TKD gold medalist from the olympics trained with Paul Vizzio a Kickboxing champion, who came from Fu Jaw Pai. But the hard fighters of TKD are gone. Sad but true.
same
@@johngrossman2180 It does, WT is not as homogenous as it seems.
@@johngrossman2180 Ofc it does, ITF Taekwondo is basically still the same good old Taekwondo as it was in the 40's. WT on the other hand is practically not even Taekwondo.
What you see in this video is an old record of university level taekwondo training during 90's in South Korea, the national team train alot harder than this.
If you know, how do those national team athletes make a living?
@@KarateDojowaKu some are teachers like you and or have it as a side job :)
Well it looks like this was a slow day for the guys in the video. I'm pretty sure that they have days or periods where they train a lot harder.
You can't train 110% all year round, it's counter productive, so there are softer training days too and this is what we can see in this video.
Some of them have other jobs than becoming an athlete.
Nope. Korean elite athletes usually are full-time athletes care of district governments or public/private companies. There goal is olympic medals. After retired, they gonna have jobs in their teams or go back to university teams.
This is cool. Reminds me of a couple Korean TKD fighters that would knock me around when I did Kyokushin.
So a few things here.
In modern sports Taekwondo, everybody keeps their hands down but it actually started as a method to bait the opponent into trying to go for the head kick so you could counter them.
Good observation about the power from movement part.
There is no righty vs lefty in Taekwondo. People try to ambidextrous and have no weak sides. They practice so as to make their left as strong as their right.
There is no righty vs lefty in Taekwondo. People try to ambidextrous and have no weak sides. They practice so as to make their left as strong as their right.
→yes others have pointed that out as well. Since that's not so common in karate, I was extremely impressed
Yep, many top fighters in MMA also fight with their hands down as well. It helps with balance, and your punches have more power as they travel further.
@@tjl4688 I don't watch a lot of MMA, but I've only seen Anderson Silva and Israel Adesanya play that way.
Silva used to do that because low hands makes defending takedowns easier. It also helps him with his counter-striking by baiting opponents in.
Adesanya does that because he too is a precise counter striker. Plus, his style is very deceptive, which keeps opponents guessing. And further proving his nickname, The Last Stylebender also uses guards from a variety of martial arts including Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Karate, and more when required, using his hands for frames, posts, traps, and much more.
Who else plays with their hands down?
@@SomnathRoyGrimfangs Stephen Thompson, Gunnar Nelson, Conor McGregor sometimes
@@l.k.9666 Never seen Gunnar Nelson play, but Stephen Thompson and Connor McGreggor just have a more side stance. Their arms still are up. Not as high as other fighters, but they don't keep them down 'Manhattan Guard' fashion either. In fact, Oliver Enkamp and Lyoto Machida also fight in a similar fashion. It's mostly a point Karate footwork thing, darting in and out.
👍This young Karate sensei is more matured & impartial than many proud old traditional senseis. Yes, adopt whatever is good for u, no matter which style. And most of all, do not shut your mind to think yours is superior.
I like open mind people
I find the old taekwondo more creative than today. Today's taekwondo sparring tournament is not very interesting to look at, lacking in creativity.
If you don't mind, what do you mean by creativity?
That might just be the difference between practice and competition though? In practice, having fun and trying weird stuff doesn't cost you. In competition it might be what costs you the match and sends you home from the tournament. When was the last time anyone tried scoring a point in a karate tournament with a jumping (from a fainted maegeri) uchiro-ura-mawashi-geri? Yet we tried that kind of move in the dojo
@@KarateDojowaKu I hate to bring movies into a martial arts discussion, but if you want to see some good old school TKD, check out Best of the Best. One of the co-stars was Simon Ree, his brother Phillip played his main opponent. In their fight scene they put on a fantastic display. Both are masters in the art, and used their talent to create a minimally choreographed finale.
FYI: don't bother watching the sequels, they're trash.
@@KarateDojowaKu For me, it meant that you couldn't work on a common fighting formula based on the modern points system. Back in the old days, it was a full-contact chess match with very dynamic shifting of moves and tactics to get the knockout shots. There was a reason tournaments in the old days were called "Headhunter" competitions. Often it was the sparring tactician who made the first mistake that lost. I even have a scar above my eyebrow line from when I was the one who got faked into zigging when I should have zagged.
Hey bro, in my opinion old school is definitely better if someone wants to train to fight. Talking about new school, it does have a lot of creativity, nowadays I am seeing many different types of kicks on the internet. And those kicks are absolutely cool to look at. Obviously they are just to score points though.
This is the tkd I missed where your form, strikes and techniques looks more like you can fight than hop around like a chicken (new tkd)
Sparring really makes your body sore
You can get hurt and feel the pain
You feel like a real warrior compared to the unli side kick front kicks hop flaps of the twk today..
Everyone likes old school better ... *some people make excuses but honestly NOBODY - also take note that those old school TKD techniques have slowly started to trickle into MMA and alot of knockouts have occurred over recent years.... computerized scoring has completely changed it.... they don't' even try to kick that hard anymore.
Yes I’m ashamed of what it has become. We used to focus on speed power and technique. As this videos demonstrated. It’s rubbish now and I don’t want my kids learning the new way of TKD. Computerised scoring has taken away the true art.
Yeah, The rise of modern mma is bringing back these harder versions of mma. Especially after people like cro cop, or wonder boy today. I mean, who really cares about the Olympic martial art sports really...?
@@TheTommy9898 What CRO COP has to do with TAE KWON DO?
@@adamoleoni2272 oh idk....only that he fucking started in TKD and has a black belt in it. plus, his kicks are TKD style.
1 big thing I notice is that their stance isn't completely side on, it looks closer to a neutral fight stance.
Oh yeah interesting point!
The fighting principle for tkd is based on the spinning top. Not focused on the power bcoz the power will come once u r accurate & fast. Sort of physics re power=speed & weight.
Yes! It makes the kicks hard to see when they are coming and your momentum carries you into the next technique!
I think you are referring to F=ma.
But you mean the same thing; the more acceleration you generate, the higher the force.
Good thing I have a good teacher. I've practiced W.T.F Taekwondo for about 9 years now. I can confirm that this "old school" style still exists, you just have to find a good school and a good teacher (which is pretty hard these days). We usually spar without gear and full contact, though if you want to practice sparring for competition you usually train with gear on because you want to get as close to a real tournament as possible. We also do something that modern W.T.F schools usually don't, we practice conditioning a lot.
I do taekwondo and muay thai so this is interesting seeing a reaction from another martial artist that does karate
keep it up great video as always
Thanks for checking it out! Which part did you find the most interesting?
Karate Dojo waKu The way you analyze their kicks and what you would do if you were sparring them! so im watching some karate sparrings and other martial arts to adapt and apply it to my style it makes all martial arts very exciting and interesting! keep it up!
I appreciate his open assessment coming from another style.
I started TKD in 97 at 14 years old and competed up into the early 2000's. I miss this style of training and fighting.
We're about the same age and started training around the same time... I started at 13 in 1999. First generation Korean immigrant as my instructor. Much different than how it is now, even in his school. I think as he's aged and realized the American culture, he sees how he can make more money/retain membership softening his teaching. When he was younger and hungry, he whooped our ASSES
A side note about the hip thrusting: As I was trained, almost every front oriented kick in TKD starts by chambering the knee up straight and forward. The idea is not to telegraph which kick you will use (front kick, roundhouse, etc) until you commit to it in the second phase of the kick. The hip thrusting helps offset the loss of power from not rotating the whole body from the start of the kick.
Another small difference is TDK guys will usually almost always only impact with the instep or heel of the foot.
In traditional Taekwondo sparring in the past, one guards with hands (although poorly compared to kickboxing), and when closing to the opponent after a kick, throw a punch into the opponent's body to interrupt opponent's next move or push to make distance, and then immediately perform a roundhouse kick.
And quickly changing the left and right stance, moving forward, placing importance on the fast roundhouse kick left and right combo.
This was a much better video than I was expecting. I hope it blows up.
I started in 1973, so 1997 to me seems still pretty new. Prior to the ITF Olymic style, Tae Kwon Do was similar to karate in that we also used punches including punches to the head. This had us keeping our guard up. Probably, in Tae Kwon Do then, we used more high kicks than traditional karate at that time (although later, we saw karateka also using high kicks more frequently). Gradually, rules were made to showcase Tae Kwon Do Kicks, so head punches were eliminated, and then came the ITF Olympic style where punches were rarely or never used. Personally, I think that the ITF style fighting changed Tae Kwon Do for the worst as fighters completely lost hand skill. When ITF Olympic style fighters go to open tournaments with karateka using their hand punches, the ITF fighters almost always lose because they are not prepared for fast hand techniques or close fighting.
You mean WTF (World Tae Kwon Do Federation). WTF is the newer Olympic style. ITF was started by General Choi; the style keeps hands up and has lots of hands to the head. TKD was assembled in the '50 from the Kwons (schools) that reopened after WWII after Japanese left Korea. Look at some Chung Do Kwon for traditional TKD.
@@mlmiller110 Yup, but even now the new ITF has been ruined by ugly sine waves and poor sparring habits. I started in ITF 45 years ago when it was a more beautiful art.
@@mlmiller110 Actually, actually, WT (they dropped the "F" when it was noticed how the acronym resembled something else) was created first. It was only after the founder of Taekwondo, Choi Hong-hi was kicked out for sharing Taekwondo with North Korea which lead him to moving abroad. He eventually returned and defected to North Korea where he founded the rival organization of ITF.
Its really great to see a martial artist giving his reviews about another martial art while comparing different aspects. The comparisons and analysis are really sensible and not turning into 'this vs that'.
1:59 it says 하면 된다 which is literally "if (you) do, you can" or basically like "you can do it!"
and the second part is 사실 이다 which means "it's true"
I see. Just like Nike
A very good and open minded analysis I do wish more practitioners were as open to others ideas as this karate instructor
Traditional TKD is a) a lot more fun as a spectator and practitioner and b) a much purer martial art.
Sportification is the death of any martial art.
Sometimes it is but sometimes its necessary. Sportification makes people competitive, sometimes the sports encourage people to push harder.
@@JKBEAST you’re not quite getting the point. Competing against each other is one thing, but the entire spirit of TKD is lost when guys start hitting each other with zero power and only worry about scoring points. It’s why kickboxing, Muay Thai and boxing are good bases in mma and tkd and karate are not - all practicality of the martial arts have been lost due to their sport variants.
@@abluequaker5486 yeah, if you are talking about the very spirit of the martial art, in this specific aspect I absolutely agree with you. Basically you meant the focus is not on fighting skills but on points. Gotcha bro. Agreed✌️
Love this kind of videos!!! The old school teakwondo indeed seems more like a true martial art where they research true knock-out power and speed instead of only going for the points...
I've trained taekwondo for 12 years straight and these guys remind me of the old days, when i watch the new taekwondo, the way they spar and compete is literally a joke, watching this, made me scared and reminded me of how good of a sport it was.
You are right about the spin back kick. It is not a spin, you turn the heel of the front leg towards the target, then you turn the upper body just to be able to see with peripheral vision over the shoulder. After you see the target, the kick is similar to switching the legs but they are close to each other. So you don't have a big circular leg movement.
Glad I was correct! Thanks for the detail!
Is joe Rogan's style a older style of taekwondo. his kicks are crazy powerful, more than most taekwondo practitioners I see today
Yes it is
Joe Rogan is just over two years older than me and stopped competing at about the same time as I first travelled internationally to compete. He's a tragic who's wangled fame from media without having one pro bout. He's that wiseguy with shit for brains you know at work and uses HGH to try to stay athletic into his 50s. I don't know why he's ever mentioned in any discussion about martial arts.
@@xyaeiounn Joe was 4 time state champion , one time Us open champion, and came second in the world championship. At least that’s what he said on his podcast. Is that bs credentials ? I wouldn’t spontaneously say so. A lot of competitors he had to beat to get those titles.
@@joyousnomad1 I don't think it's taking anything away from his amateur record to say that he's a tragic.
He did well in some competitions and he can talk about combat sports, he's been there.
Any time someone starts to talk him up though, I have to remember he's from a time where TKD wasn't really international and the standards were trash compared to now. I'm from just after that time, i remember it. Saying his kicks are real strong and asking is he doing some old-school, more legit form of TKD is just wrong-headed.
@@xyaeiounn aww is someone upset? Bruh he just didn’t want to fucking compete and went to the UFC get over it he’s still a black belt and a talented martial artist you claim your not taking anything away from him even though that’s exactly what you just did
I'm right handed but a stronger left kicker. I've studied Tae Kwon Do in the late 90's and Kenpo later. I moved away once and could no longer study Tae Kwon Do, and took up Kenpo which was available in my town. A year later I returned to my old Tae Kwon Do school while in town, and the Instructor said he could certainly tell I had switched to Karate. Very interesting what you said what makes Tae Kwon Do kicks special.
Getting closer see if you find something from before 1988 when TKD got into the Olympics. Older it is less sport oriented it is.
I'm born 1971 and did taekwondo 1981-2000 and... In all honesty, these guys are exceptional. Their catlike reflexes... Many black belts in Thailand and Sweden where I've been practicing didn't look this good. Some did but not the entire class. Many real good competitors trained like this like 1-2 hrs after "regular" class. Just to sharpen their game before a big tournament. But Korea is Korea... Especially in the 90s. I believe you could or can be a Dr in taekwondo there. Many thanks man. Like your unbiased style😊
I am very impressed by your open minded approach to other arts. It gives me hope for the future. I've trained in ITF Taekwondo as well as a few other arts. Of all the martial arts I trained I tried to take something from each of them. Taekwondo taught me accuracy and power in kicks like I had never seen, their ability to snap a kick off is so impressive. Add to that speed their accuracy, you are trained to snap your head over the shoulder a milisecond and spot your target before you release the kick. Its incredibly hard to master but if you do almost no one can block the kick because its so fast. These students are exceptional; sadly a lot of the modern Taekwondo is too focused on point sparring so they do not train like this much anymore.
When training in '88 I went to a TKD school with several good fighters. The training was intense and for all the people who ask why someone isn't trying to block the kicks with their arms? the largest of the fighters, a light heavyweight broke a competitors forearm with a back kick which they tried to block by putting up his front arm. Truly an ugly situation. But it teaches us to roll with a strike, like a boxer rolls with a punch; and avoid the stronger ones.
You are very humble,open minded, and respectfully,,I like the fact you point out the positive in other martial arts,,and I'm sure you incorporate those positive aspects into your personal style,,, and,,,that what makes a TRUE MARTIAL ARTIST,,,MAHALO FROM ADAM,,BIG ISLAND HAWAII 👣✝️
They are using their chest protectors as combat pads by using their arms to create space. Its a cool idea. I began learning tyekwondo in the early 80s, at around 6 or 7. Many of these videos bring back a lot of memories. Since then I've studied many martial arts styles. From all over, including South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Thailand, and even arts invented and shaped right here in america. In those studies, I've gained many interesting perspectives on the arts. Loved every minute of it. Even the painful ones. Learning traditionalist based martial arts taught in the old way. You can know one thing for certain, there will be pain, but its an invaluable experience that will give you an even better perspective on what martial arts were, and how they have adapted over time. And the pros and cons of both. I really was in sort of in the right place at the right time. My first master, was a Small South Korean ex-soldier who came over to America. 9th dan in tye kwon do. As well as a 5th dan in hapkido, and a 3rd in jujitsu. He was a great guy. Taught me many things. Even when it wasn't always profitable for him. He passed many years ago. He is still missed.
Thanks for your insight!
I have no idea why I got recommended your video but since I've been training TKD for many years that made me smile... that's how I learnt, that's how I trained my students, two became county champions, sadly they often lost on points once we started using electronic equipment. Now we just train for fun. Thank you for your open-minded evaluation!
This is what Taekwondo for me.
Thank you for reacting on our video 🥋👍
Thank you for letting me access to such an amazing video!
Sport TKD competition changed in response to competition rules. What you learn overall in class maybe different than what you see in sport competition. If the TKD is traditional it will include a wider variety of techniques.
You should check out lethwei, it’s similar to Muay Thai buys its bare knuckle and you can use headbutts. Plus you can only win by knockout.
If you wanna see someone really awersome, just find Paul Green training videos. He is the perfect taekwondo player.
Thanks for the suggestion!
And levent tuncat, one of the beast ever😂
Agree, watch the Paul Green video "Game of Death" (Refers to music from the Bruce Lee movie soundtrack) Its AWESOME!
Excellent video and commentary Thanks for sll the awesome insight.
I mean when you see this, Hwoarang doesn’t feel so unrealistic anymore 🤔
Hwoarang is based on a real TKD practioner, a very good one though. So, indeed his movements are realistic.
Thank you for uploading and giving us all something to be excited about. 👌✊✌
I started my marital arts training in 1974, learning Tae Kwon Do. My instructor was of the mindset that we were learning how to FIGHT, not score points. We were trained to deliver our kicks with precision, control, and power, moving ourselves forward to force the opponent to move backwards.
From what I've seen in most schools now...it's all about "scores" and "points", and nothing to do with actual fighting. They've taken the "martial" out of the art.
I was originally trained in the traditional form of Taekwondo back in 1982-1987. I left to the military and life happened. 35 years later I’m continuing my journey and I have to say that I’m glad I learned the old style, I also believe the new Olympic style will be complimented because of it.
This is the Taekwondo I trained in as a teenager and young adult. It is satisfying to see their movement and kicks. The footwork and rapid directional changes and pauses are great. This is when Taekwondo had hope of translating into MMA well. Oh well. Taekwondo sparring was like a fight back then. Not a game.
very true I never knew what a tournament was till the late 90s i was taught to defend myself against multiple attackers
@@callofthewildoutdoors ya lots of people had to spar more than one person at the same time for black belt testing.
Ik this comments old, but when I did takwendo , we had no equipment. My master retired . He was old.
@@simonjesusbeliever3467 did you kick full contact to the face?
@@MaharlikaAWA I never got advanced enough to kick to the face. Ig my belt dint require equipment.
It's nice to meet you sensei and see that the good judgment you have about other martial arts
The athens olympics taekwondo competition for me was the best. I believe it had the most knock outs
Guys posting and commenting on videos like this need to understand there are traditional martial arts and then sport equivalents. Whether it's karate, taekwondo etc.
You can train for competitive sport.
You can train for traditional art.
You can train for both.
There's nothing wrong with it as long as you don't claim yourself as something you're not.
4:12 - A reverse backwards side kick is a perfect weapon in TKD against people who are looking to close the distance. It's a devasting weapon.
OH for that part I was talking about closing in the distance to the other guy as a counter!
Yeah,it is also my favorite kick, someone approached me and i used the reverse backwards side kick to counter him,he blocked with his leg and he said his leg was sore for 3 days,as i am not very flexible,i spent a lot of time on this kick and i made it my ultimate counter attack
@@KarateDojowaKu Jamming kicks was a favourite counter of mine in TKD, especially against opponents who like to use reverse hook/crescent kicks. A proper reverse side kick (chambered early) is almost impossible to nullify completely. Once it backfired though, because my opponent was wearing a plastic knee brace, which hit me in the ribs when I closed distance to counter a reverse crescent kick.
Karate Dojo waKu check out Joe Rogan performing this kick. If you want to see some scary power, Joe will scare ya.
We used to compete in Karate tournaments. We had trouble handling all the face punches, but our TKD back kicks worked very well against the karate fighters.
하면 된다. 사실이다.
== やればできる。事実だ。
== You can do it. It's true.
In the taekwondo my school practices we try to keep our hands up
Yep, that's how it should be.
Yea same for me
My dad was born in ‘55 in Korea. He’s a 3rd-5th degree black belt. The taekwondo he taught/showed me involved punches and grapples, on top of kicks. Also, hands up.
When I did it, it was 1 hand up and 1 hand in the middle. Allowed for baiting, some easier blocking of low and mid level kicks, and felt more balanced. I think can assist speed over having both high. But, there is a compromise, obviously.
@@yodisbsteveyes, there used to be leg grabs and foot sweeps, but not as heavily emphasized as in karate.
Great Video!! Really enjoyed that! Please watch others of all kinds!!
3:15 combo was so damn beautiful
I know right!
I started training in TKD in 1989, right before I turned 5 yrs old (I was his youngest student at the time). My instructor was actually one of the coaches for the US Olympic Team. The way he taught how to properly spin was by comparing it to figure skaters. In order to maintain balance, you only turn your head in single movements, rather than let it spin with your body. Basically quick 180 degree shifts. It helps reduce dizziness.
I love Muay Thai honestly one of the more interesting martial arts if you could react to it that would be cool
That should becoming your soon! Thanks for the comment!
Karate Dojo waKu Yea thank you love your content
@@KarateDojowaKu check out Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu for that. She's a pro Muay Thai fighter who's trying to get the Guinness World Record for most number of pro fights. She was until recently with Petchrungruang Gym in Pattaya. She trains with some of the best Nak Muays from the 90s like Yodkunpon and Dieselnoi & she fights girls who are bigger than her most of the time, including kard chuek fights where the fists are wrapped in rope & the only way to win is by KO. Her pro record is 170-73-10, 89 KOs.
Skiamakhos Silvie is an absolute monster
I trained like this for 3 years in Barcelona Spain. Korean masters that immigrated to Barcelona in the 70s and 80s have kept this training style alive.
the sign under the Korean Flag: "All you need to do is do! That's a fact! "
Wow!!! Those kicks are amazing! So quick! Very impressive.
You should check out Joe Rogan's taekwondo, it's the style he learned and his kicks are absurdly powerful
하면 된다 = Works If you try
사실 이다 = This is a Fact
It just means Nothing is Impossible.
Hello.
Please react to the "1969 Professional Karate Championships" for a taste of old school American karate
It's definitely worth the watch, it's a very interesting time in the early days of karate becoming popular in the US
Before, our goal for every kick was to knock out the opponent and end the fight early. That’s why we were so obsessed with effective high kicks and risky turning kicks to the head.
To train in hardcore tkd was the most unforgettable experience I ever had.
How old is he even? He looks like 20😲
If you’re talking about me, I’m 23
Your observation about the spinning was spot on.
Sensei great reaction video. Now can you do a reaction to 'ITF taekwondo?'
Sure thing!
@@KarateDojowaKu OSS!, Thank You Very much Sensei 🤧
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@@christianadriansalegel4955 taekwon, thanks dude🙏
As an old school Taekwondo guy I can tell you, the further back you go the higher the hands get. We kick going backwards and side to side too.
Almost felt old hearing that Yusuke-sensei was born the year after me, but then it hit me that we have the same age
I have practiced Taekwondo for a long time but i know that Karatedo is very well. Karate is hard. Congratulations from Colombia.
You should look at even older, 70s; when we would train to actually defend ourselves on the streets.
i just started watching his vids AND I LUV THEM ALREADYYYY UGHH THERE SO GOOD XD
Cobra Kai. Strike First. Strike Often. Show No Mercy! Hai Sensai!
Look forward to my Cobra Kai reaction video coming up in a few days!
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Yusuke: You don't call yourself a Sensei, it's weird
Also Yusuke: As a Karate Sensei...
damn all those dudes are like in their 40s-50s now shieeet
My father learned Taekwondo in the 80s and later on taught me. I got made fun of a lot for practicing it, but as I didn't get taught the competitive side, rather the actual martial art, I never had a problem to defend myself yet.
Taekwondo kick saping fast forcing .result u can see 70 year old karete master still prety good on perfomaning.but Taekwondo masters injured lot or becouse of alged slowed down or lose flexability those wip like kicks high angles .so thier prime span shorter ofc some peıople event cant practive serious Taekwondo injuries or speed and forcing those kicks they change to other martials arts like karete.its not mean better or stronger just as i said more demanding some special psyical atributes.those hight kicks specially so demaning .karate is safer .im not talking about this vdieo general.and im not saying anything ad ay martial art about.just Taekwondo is more forcing some joints result more injuries like some prot sport at.after some time they pile up.
like taichi why is popular with aged people becouse of its calm slow movment like meditation.they not forcing stressing body.karete not demanding as core.its depend person or his school.
sorry for bad grammer.self learned.
Just found this channel. Great video and commentary man.
Sport Taekwondo: WTF
Real Taekwondo: ITF
All I see is the usual WTF.
Old school Wtf is the best taekwondo, itf is light contact bs
in my college days. we used to have a TKD subject (Physical Education)
Our professor is an old school TKD blackbelt. he quit TKD when he got kick in his jaw and got an injury.
He teaches us like some mix of karate and TKD for good offense and defense and also he use some difficult training to ensure that we can last longer in the fight.