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I set out to make a video about collecting / scavenging heat from the exhaust... while measuring the temp of the pipe I was using, I thought to myself... "that's not enough to cool on" .... So the question is.... Is it really ?
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My step father, Joe Noyes, during long car trips, used to heat up/cook cans of beans, soup, stew, or hash on the exhaust manifold of his car. He rigged up a open topped wire cage in a can-sized space between or next to the exhaust ports in the manifold, and, when he got hungry, he would pull over, pop a couple of holes in the top of a can (so it wouldn't explode), place the can in the caged area on the manifold, drive a few miles, pull over again and retrieve his now hot canned meal. In modern cars, the exhaust manifold often has a heat shield on it that might have to be modified for this to work -- but it is still do-able....
Of course you would want to keep a can-opener and some kind of hot pads or tongs to grab the hot can in the car. He used his pocket knife to pop the holes in the can.
Haha... that's awesome.... I did that once with a few slices of Pizza a few years ago. There is a company called "Hot Dogger" who makes (or made in the 90s) a device for snowmobile mufflers, to heat up food.
good idea.. maybe a couple baffles to deflect the exhaust heat or maybe a 90 degree turn to the center right below the stove top.
I was rushed to get this video out as it was filmed last evening to post for new years day... but yes... a baffle would have helped. After the video was edited I went back out and pointed the exhaust at the top (for the thumbnail photo) and it worked really well. I'm currently running it now because it makes my garage smell really good, haha !
There you go. I thought a 90 to the center top would heat very well.... what temp did it get up to?
make a couple... so you can throw one in with the camping gear... btw how's the wheelbarrow heated handles coming?@@loweredexpectations4927
Try flat copper pipe or tubing! Plus copper retains heat very well for cooking and a heat exchanger,
I like copper cookware!
I am going to use copper pipe as my exhaust, straight down through the floor, no pressure issues from all those bends. I might expand it to 3/4 or a full inch.
I would love to do this, and have almost pulled the trigger a few times... Every time I stand there looking at the price of copper.... Yikes. I was looking at 1" pipe and it was $70 for 6 feet, I believe.
Like you say, the pipe doesn't have the rough surface, so 3/4 is probably fine. In fact, the inside of the exhaust port is 19mm 3/4"
Happy New Year Joel. This had me in stitches. When you mentioned exhaust heat recovery I wish there was I way I could send you a video of my system. Just got it hooked up a day ago. If my calculations are correct I am gaining an extra 1 to 1.5kw of energy back from my exhaust gas heat recovery system. Keep up the whacky videos these are great.
I believe you on the kw savings ! There is a lot lost through the exhaust for sure. I have lots of wacky ideas in mind... it's all a matter of how much time and money I can throw at them, haha.
Nice way to think outside the box.
🤣 How clever .
Hook exaust to a long baseboard water rad, the hot air should heat the rad fins enough to produce enough heat.
Yes... I agree... I would love to do this... Not sure if I can justify the cost for testing, as this is not my primary heat source.
Nice, a New Years cookout! I bought a 300cm exhaust from China for 15 USD, wound it into a 10 inch coil of 4-5 turns, and am using it to extract all the exhaust heat before venting it. With natural convection, the final turn is still cool enough to touch at setting 1-2. A small desk fan blowing over it makes the last turn cool at any heat level. It only represents about 5-10% of the heat output/fuel usage, but it makes it just that much cheaper than electricity.
Good stuff... I wondered how much you could get form just a longer section of exhaust.
@@loweredexpectations4927 All of it! I had no issues with restriction in Alpine mode, but it may be a tad too restrictive for the max setting. It looks cleaner than I expected too. If you're set on getting a heat exchanger, a brazed plate heat exchanger from China might be a good option, you can run air or water through it if you wish. I think you can get an appropriate size for 50-100 US. Brazed-plate exchangers aren't as restrictive as they might look, as once the fluid goes through the hole, it runs through all the plates simultaneously, and I _think_ the hole can be enlarged a bit since it won't be under significant pressure. Looking forward to what's to come, thanks!
@@WaffleStaffel There are a lot of options out there for sure ... sometimes that just makes things more difficult, haha.
@@loweredexpectations4927 Sorry about the *walls of text.* Here's an IR video of the exhaust in action th-cam.com/video/m46SCf-p_pQ/w-d-xo.html
@@WaffleStaffel I checked it out... very cool !
Joel walks in house... wife says dinner is done... Joel I'm good I just finished eating eggs and hot dogs cooked off a cookie tin heated by my diesel heater.. lmao. I bet the heat from the blower would probably cook faster tho. Funny stuff man.
Haha ! It was delicious !
After I had this video edited, I went back out the get the thumbnail photo... I decided to redirect the exhaust just a little, and the eggs were sizzling away in no time. My first goat it was very last minute "let's getter done!"
Pffff who needs a freaking blackstone when you have this!
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So, is this the direction the wheelbarrow mounted heater is heading? Food Cart!!🤣🤣🤣 Happy New Year, keep up the great content
Haha... That's a possibility. I have big plans for the wheelbarrow heater... it just hasn't been cold enough !
I would like to see you open up or chop off the heat exchanger and turn the heater (what's left of it) upright so the flame shoots up. Put a grate so you can set the pan over that flame. Don't have the flame touching the pan, or you may get a lot of soot.
To reclaim heat from exhaust, use old hot-water baseboard. It has fins on the copper pipe. The pipe may be too small and pose a restriction to flow, so you might need to use 2 tubes side-by-side.
That would be a pretty intense cool top, also very interesting.
I have been looking at those baseboard heaters for almost a year. I may go for it some day.
Really wanted this to work. One because I'm a frugal bastard who thinks cooking with waste heat is perfect. Second because i had a history doing similarly on the intake manifold of a '66 Bronco in the 80's. The exhaust temperature is tempting, but it seems that the number of Btu available is simply inadequate. I have not figured a cooking device efficient enough to make this idea viable. There are limits to the time i would willimgly spend hanging around the back side exhaust vent on a cold evening. Nuts.
Haha... Well do I have good news for you ! If you put just a little effort, planning and thought into it, this will work really well. The exhaust output is about 700 to 800 watts, and with a little playing around I was able to get the cooktop close to 200C
I have plans to build another one as this one was just a last minute "gitter done" thing where I literally grabbed an old tin ... I had been using it to store plumbing supplies for 8-9 years.
They made a device called a "Hot Dogger" that attaches to the exhaust on your snowmobile and warms / cooks meals while you drive... This is a real thing, and it works pretty well.
Happy New Year to all diesel heater enthusiasts 🎆😃🥳! Yes, it would sizzle and cook a lot faster if you orientate the exhaust inlet towards the cooking surface.
The heat from the exhaust is so much, in fact, it's slightly lower than the diesel ignition temp of 210°C? It can be put to use in many different ways if done properly. For example, first stage cooker, followed by water heater and air heater stages, all in series or parallel depending on feasibility and one's preference.
Copper or aluminum is better than steel at heat conduction, even your cat knows this 😅. A used BPHE is about tenna. You have a welder, you can weld copper pipes to it easily. The trick is to install it in L shape - inlet exhaust and BPHE in straight vertical into a bucket/tank/barrel/water butt, then outlet from BPHE in horizontal out of the bucket at near the bottom to a flexi or rigid pipe or no pipe at all, let the condensation (if any) drips out. In that way, with no pump, you get free hot water.
That's how this whole experiment started... I was messing about with ways to scavenge heat from the exhaust with stuff that I had laying around... I have many ideas for heat exchangers and other nonsense... Time and money are always standing in my way.
Sine men started to monetize time, we neither have enough time nor money 😂. Let me play a lottery 💰. If I win, I'll start a non profit diesel heater startup 👍😃.@@loweredexpectations4927
Ford EGR cooler or you can just run it through a copper radiator if you have an older one laying around or of junkyard You're just running heat through the exhaust instead of water with the same thing as a heat exchanger
Thanks... For some reason I thought these were only use on european cars... Now I know what to look for.
this is a nice outdoor cooking solution
If a person was serious about this, it wouldn't be too hard to come up with a much more refined and convenient system. This was a last minute "use what's laying around" set up... but it works !
Basically a simple aga brilliant if you set up in a home would always get the extra heat from the grill and the bonus of cooking.
True... as long as it is sealed up properly and venting outside... and portable as you don't' want the heat in the summer, haha.
Happy New Year! 🎉
I know a guy who invented a gizmo called the quick chill. You put ice in, the can rotates and within a minute or two the beverage was cold.
Simply put, when it's sitting stationary, it's cooling from the outside in. When you rotate it.....
While your food is cooking (under a lid).
Quick chill... good idea. Pulling energy out requires good conductivity so I can see how moving it around is necessary.
This could work better. I imagine that tin just doesn’t retain enough of the heat. Due too the thin metal and large surface area
Yes... that is true. The thin metal is not ideal. It is just what I had laying around.
Let's try a Dutch oven next
i have been thinking of this. A oven would be the most usefull thing for outdoor vanlife
Yeah... no reason it can't be done, but you want to make sure that you have it sealed up well so you're not fumigating your food, haha.
I may expand on this idea a little in the future, as plenty of people showed interest.
cooking take up a loot of energy, especially a oven. Like boiling a cup og coffee no problem with the car battery and an inverter, also an egg is easy. but a oven and toaster/panini would be the most usefull thing. i would buy a Vevor diesel heater oven if it was cheap i would say around a 100 euro i would pay ;)@@loweredexpectations4927
If they use hydronic baseboard heat in your area, maybe try one of those core's for an exhaust heat recovery device.
When I lived in New England, they were 3/4 inch diameter copper pipe with aluminum fins around them
They sell them at the hardware store... or at least online... I have been checking them out for about a year now, haha... $100 +
@@loweredexpectations4927 Do you know anyone who works for a demolition crew? Or you could possibly find one cheap at a junk shop.
Happy new year to you from a cold Scotland. I have to say im just about to go to bed but you definitely put a smile on my face. Your videos are very good but this one certainly made me laugh, keep them coming and goid on you for thinking out of the box 😁👍
Thanks for the comment ! Much appreciated. Keeping warm and and snacks are some of my favorite things... win win !
Haha..."outside of the box" 👍 Stay warm.
That was original! I have an excuse to polish off my tin of chocolates now.
LOL... Now I'm thinking I missed a perfect opportunity to get a fresh tin of chocolates !! This was being used as a storage container for several years. ... Dang it !
I look forward to every new vid and I love your thinking.
Haha... Thanks, I'm glad I'm not just out here amusing myself.
@@loweredexpectations4927 we all know the cat is amused (lol... Phone legit tried to autocorrect that to "cat is abused".... Maybe Google watching you try to gas out the kitty in the rafters... Beware of the great AI... it knows when you are sleeping, it knows when you're awake... It knows when you record yourself trying to forever sleep the kitty, so just don't do it Joel, for goodness sake.)
@@tilly8297 HAHA ! Dang auto correct trying to accuse me of things...
Insulate the box bottom and sides.. and the exhaust from the heater. Good move if heating a space and want some snacks.. :-)
Two of my most favorite things... Staying warm and snacks ! Insulating and pointing the pipe at the cook surface would work wonders.
I like your slow cooker idea, think that would work better, just have the exhaust do a loop around some kind of pot to transfer the heat into and cover it with a lid. Let it cook for like 6 hours and boom.
As long as you don't have any leaks. 👍
Happy New Year.
Don't you have a scrapyard somewhere near?
You better not use one of these stacked plate style heat exchangers, they clog too easy, when used at lowest setting for longer periods, like over night - for instance to prevent freezing.
It depends on the fuel.
With the super clean modern Diesel or kerosene, it's almost no danger for any sooth, with heating oil there is some, because it's not burning as clean.
Happy New Year to you as well. Yes... There are a few car scrap yards close by.
I would only use it with diesel or other light fuels, as clogging would be an issue for sure.
LMAO! You crack me up with some of these crazy experiments! Who would think of trying to cook on an inverted cookie tin with diesel exhaust as the fuel source? Joel would, obviously! I'm surprised it cooked that well with this setup, air is a poor conductor, but I bet if you had some internal baffling to increase surface contact with the "cooktop" it would probably work pretty good, but then again you don't want to create a back pressure to the heater either. Happy New Year to you too!
😁 "Wow... that exhaust is hot enough to cook an egg on.... wait a minute..."
Pretty much exactly how it happened. I went out after editing my video and got it to work MUCH better. I just bent a little kink in the end of the exhaust so it pointed up at the lid... This directed the heat more at the cooktop haha... and it worked really well.
Lol great episode ! ❤❤❤. That box is a great exhaust heat capture idea, with a fan on top to distribute it and it’s perfect 👍
Thanks for the comment. definitely better ways to do this, haha.
just got my heater and i thought for sure this would be something available and couldn't find anything. then this just poped up lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣 too funny. I'm sure if you spent $100 you could build a really nice one. I may give it a try for a future video as a few people have shown interest.
Yoke is the best part
Is this some sort of yoke ... I mean, joke.
I like it. It's a 2 for 1 combo. Flat top stove/ exhaust muffler. How about a mini water heater with the water being heated by the exhaust. So you can wash your hands before you eat your eggs and hot dog sandwiches. Happy new year brother. Cheers.
Haha... yeah, a water heater would be neat. I might give that a try in the future.
and a happy new year to you as well. keep the vids coming.
Thanks ! I have some interesting ones planned 👍
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Let me start with... 1. You check the temp first, before applying ANY oil and 2. Salt and pepper go on AFTER cooking..., idiot !
@@loweredexpectations4927 this channel will go FAAAAAAAR!!!!!! I hope I get to see your rise to fame and world domination. 😁
@@tilly8297 Thanks for your vote of confidence !
Broken yoke and no brown sauce 😟
You, sir, are a heathen 🤣🤣
@@Dirt-Diggler LOL... I have heard the words "brown sauce" but don't even know what it is ! Now I have to look it up.
such cooking devices already exist, but cost 2-3k ..... usually sold for posh yachts.
I'm about to build one from an old ebrspecher by cutting off the end of the burn chamber so the hot flames can directly heat an iron sheet which will form a pizza oven. diesel fired pizza......
Very cool ! I have been thinking about doing this for almost a year but haven't gotten around to it... I wasn't thinking about doing it for cooking purposes, just for heat dissipation. Very cool.
I wonder if insulating the exhaust with glass tape would make the stove any hotter.
Have you tried Duck eggs they taste amazing?
Happy New year to you and yours Joel and Thanks for all the interesting Mad entertainment.
Insulating wouldn't hurt, that's for sure. The biggest thing, however, is the direction of the exhaust. It is over 200C . I went out and testing it later with the pipe redirected and it was sizzling in a hurry.
I have not tried duck eggs.... I have tried a few others including ostrich, but that was decades ago.
Hahaha, decades ago. I'm 70 and I remember them well. I know I'm going through my second childhood because I feel like I'm reliving the sixties.
@@tjhouston4916 I have a terrible memory, haha... I'm either 46 or 47... 1977.... I feel like I'm reliving my childhood because I'm lost and I want my mommy 🤣🤣
Happy New Year 🎉 another fun video indeed. I honestly can't wait to see your next great experiment 🙏 Yea yea, I could be like some others and go into some long scientific diatribe about heat transfer and yadda yadda yadda. Nope, you keep it fun and pleasant. A welcome change to an ever growing angry world. 👌
Haha... Yes ! Trying not to take it too serious... and still learn stuff along the way. I have some fun videos planned... but I'm not sure what's coming next.
Maybe make something like a oven use a smaller tin inside that tin and insulate the outside tin
Not a bad idea... it would have to be very well sealed to avid exhaust contamination.
I got the same monitor. :)
and another on the wall, just to be sure!
Yes, they are cheap and a good idea to have around.
Opens up a whole lot of ideas about using the exhaust heat for all kinds of things.
Yes... I've had a few ideas ever since I got the heater... Some more practical than others, haha.
Any radiator that can handle the temperature, would probably work as a heat exchanger.
@@markcoyle8003 ... any radiator with metal ends ... most these days are have plastic end caps, unless it is a performance one. I'm sure I could find one at the scrap yard. The exhaust temp is over 200C so it has to be metal for sure.
It’d be a lot cheaper than amazon…
@@loweredexpectations4927 No problem for anybody like us to dump plastic fittings and weld on solid ones.
Use a longer larger pipe for the exhaust. Aluminum or copper would be best. Don't want to restrict the exhaust.
Yes... I am considering purchasing some copper pipe for an experiment... not sure if I can justify the cost.
Neat experiment, and Happy New Year.
Thanks !
maybe an idea for your new heater? before you start it up
to polish or home the fire room.
make it nice and smooth like the inside of a cylinder, greetings Gilbert / Dutch 🔥👍
I assume you mean so that carbon doesn't stick to the surface ?
@@loweredexpectations4927yes, at least try it and see how long it works and whether it works, I have no idea, it seems original, it looks like a standard pipe, not modified, it is a simple modification, if it works, people can do it themselves, if it doesn't work, it has been tried 🤭🔥 by lowerexpectation 😎👍
@@gilbertgilberts1767 This is true. The inside of the burn tube should be fairly easy to polish, but the area where the fuel starts burning is behind a baffle and has a wick / metal mesh that can't be polished.
@@loweredexpectations4927 Yes, think of the large surfaces inside and outside.
It could be that it makes a big difference or nothing at all 🙈🔥 expectations.
maybe you or someone else from youtube have more ideas to smooth it out. Whatever you do, I'll definitely take a look at your report👌😌🔥
Happy new year buddy all the best
Thanks ! Happy New Year to you as well !!
Happy new year, Joel! Did you ever think you'd be making survivalist videos? :) :)
Thanks ! I have considered doing something like Steve Wallis, haha. I am pretty attached to my garage though... I feel naked without it.
at least you wont starve for a hot meal if your in the doghouse one day and the misses wont let you in the house😂@@loweredexpectations4927
Enjoying the vids as always chap 👍😎👍
Thanks !
It's a good idea especially cooking a small meal. But you just expanded the idea of making a box with some maybe mandrel bends a couple maybe tighter S bends under a steel plate to distribute some heat across a little larger area. Random thought over here. Would be interesting to test for us outdoors people could result in not carrying extra fuel for a burner /bbq/grill to make a small meal, hard to replace a small bbq or grill for outdoor adventures though
Yes... this test started off as being able to collect heat from the exhaust for efficiency... and then I just decided to do this, last minute.
I did a little looking around and it turns out that the exhaust fits PERFECTLY over the outside of a 3/4 copper pipe coupling. This means that you can easily use 3/4 copper pipe for the exhaust... I suspect long runs of 3/4 may be too restrictive at max output... but if so, one could always step up to 1"... but that's much more costly.
I'm not totally sure if normal solder would hold up to the temp at the joints close to the heater, so it would have to be mechanically fastened as well. I do want to play around with this more... I will have to see if I can justify the cost of purchasing the copper parts.
@@loweredexpectations4927 if solder won't hold up... Braze it... You've got to get copper pretty much in the red glow to braze, and that would surely hold up... In fact, I'm unsure if you could braze with straight propane without adding oxygen through your torch.
@loweredexpectations4927 if we lived closer I could get all sorts of mandrel bent tube for reasonable price just would need to cut and weld to put them together and the tube is same size as exhaust od and I'd being 1/8th wall would restrict some flow but is it beneficial who knows but would retain heat better better. I was going to use some for my exhaust initially until realizing it was same od on test fitting. If they had a stronger fan system feeding the burn chamber I would mess around with making a heater exchanger for my portable fishing tent to recoup some lost heating btu potential but size would be just wonky inside a 6.5x6.5ft tent taking up space. My situation the heater sits outside and both sides of heater are plumbed into the tent to save space
@@tilly8297 I do have a tig welder, so I'm sure I can do it... however, if it is safe, it would be nice if the average person could do it as well.
@@ChippyOutdoors I have been considering robbing parts off of my air compressor... I designed and built an air cooler for it... actually two. The first one isn't really used, and it is a long section of 3/4 copper pipe, with 3/8 soldered to the outside of it... The plan was to circulate water through the 3/8 pipe, but I never got around to it.
After that, my air goes into 40 feet of 1/2 copper pipe with a fan that kicks on when the compressor is running, haha. It's a little overkill. It was made from copper that I pulled out of my house during renovations.
Anyway.... The 3/4 could be used to collect heat into water, but I'd have to replace the section so that I could use my compressor, haha.
Absolutely brilliant, Happy New Year. Loved the video
Thanks !! haha.
the inlet to the cooker should start from the bottom then straight up then exit the side lime you have it
Yeah... There are better ways to do this for sure. This was a last minute toss together to get a video out on NewYears eve.
I was worried that it would just burn everything if I did that, as the exhaust coming out is a little over 200C.
I came out after the video was edited, to get a thumbnail, and pointed the exhaust up at the cooking surface. It had no trouble keeping the top sizzling set yo like this.
@@loweredexpectations4927 throw a steak n brats n youl get everyone attention, ya im hungry already😅👍
@@rgrg3683 Party at Joel's house... ! Bring your own brats !
Hey, can I suggest a couple of mods try out for "self-cleaning" heater?
Water injection in small amounts(either in thru the fuel line or a separate injector somewhere in the intake air stream).
And.
Vibrator(no not that kind). The vibrator can prevent ash build up in side by shaking it out and letting it flow out the exhaust.
Happy New Years!
Hey ! Thanks for the comment.
I have been considering a few typed of self cleaning for almost a year now... Steam is problematic as it absorbs too much heat and if it were made outside of the heater (by the exhaust or other heat source) when injected into the chamber, it would displace too much volume and cause issues with the burn.
I have not considered vibration... It's an interesting idea. I'm not sure that you could shake the whole heater that intensely. It would risk breaking the exhaust and inlet off, not to mention killing the electronics. Perhaps a plunger or something that periodically tapped the chamber... a solenoid that operated at a high frequency...🤔 ... that might work.
The ideas that I came up with were 1. a rotating brush that turns slowly inside the burn area and 2. an auger that also turns slowly and screws / pushes all of the crud out the end of the burn chamber. Not sure if I will ever get around to creating these... but they have been in my mind !
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Keep in mind, that it has to be simple enough to function in a low mainenance, high stress, labour loaded situation - otherwise it's not a useful solution.
Don't get lost in luxury dreams of people with no need of heating.
@@werner.x Agreed... One of the reasons I have not attempted to build this, yet... is because the ash has to go somewhere... Getting it out of the chamber would extend the service interval for waste oil ... but it would still have to be cleaned frequently.
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Other than it's not in Vevors favour, it sure would attract many viewers, if you'd develop an easy to diy blue flame waste oil burner of the conventional type with easy removable pan, that can be treated with an hammer or kitchen cleaver for daily cleaning before use.
For that money of such a diesel heater, one could weld three or four dedicated waste oil burners, if not more.
I know, there are already many out there, but i'd give it a try anyhow - because it's your viewer's count, that matters and there is still demand or at least curiosity out there - i'd consider the waste oil diesel heater either a dead horse, or if really used, a pain in the ass.
I'd do that myself, because the best one isn't out there, i know it (there were perfect commercial ones 50 to 40 years ago, but they banned them and now the technology is gone) - and i could use one myself - but really, i get old and tired and have motivation problems lately. Besides, i want to focus more on electronics in the future. Away from cars and steel - customers won't pay, that took the fun out of it - and for hobby it's too much dirt and grime. Was fine with 30, makes me sick now.
@@werner.x Almost all of what I do is driven by curiosity. Who knows, maybe in a few months I will be living somewhere where I have to be more concerned purely about survival, and come up with a waste oil burner that works.
I would really like to be able to incorporate some of the diesel heater control system into a waste oil burner because it is pretty simple, convenient and cheap... I do realize that the burner is the difficult part. I highly suspect that I have been able to achieve a clean burn several times with my heater, the problem is that the ash builds quickly, and this causes it to start working really poorly. I definitely need to spend more time on this.
Would filling the box with sand help distribute the heat but it might take longer to get up to cooking temp, also cut the weiner in half long ways it will cook faster that way..
Yeah... Sand would likely take a lot longer to heat up... You may also need to run a lot more pipe or baffles to increase surface area, or it may not heat up at all.
@@loweredexpectations4927 Hi Joel Sorry I can only contact you here as I don't know of any other way to do so. I know you will be able to answer my question and that's why I've put it your way..
How much does a CDH cost to run per KWH can you tell me, or at least tell me what you think the numbers might be thanks alot..
@@martinpanks992 I have never done corrected calculations, meaning taking into account how much you lose out the exhaust, but I say you are looking at around 16 cents per kwh currently, here in Calgary. This is on the max heat setting with a 5kw heater. About $.080 cents to operate per hour with a fuel price at $1.66 per litre.
using an old alloy intercooler of eBay, not yet plumed in but tests are encouraging
Awesome... I have some simple tests planned for the near future with exhaust heat extraction.
Happy New Years buddy!🎉
Thanks !!
Im surprised at the non stick quality of that tin 😄
ME TOO ! I was completely shocked... how is that even possible, haha. It's just the bottom of a cookie tin.
the tin box is most likely aluminium. not exactly healty but it builds an oxid layer [or even got a whiff of elox in the factory] that makes it semi-foodgrade AND attracts the oil wayy better then the usual teflon (PTFE) surface in pans.
@@casemodder89 It's not aluminum, but it may have some sort of oxide layer.
@@loweredexpectations4927 I do think, it's a combination of two lucky points: very smooth, not yet scratched or oxidized tin and low temperature, that never did burn the oil away.
@@werner.x I agree.
Happy New Year !!!😂👍👍
✌ Thanks !
Happy new year's Joel
Thanks Tim !
I’ve seen somebody using a small central heating radiator instead a heat exchanger. Much cheaper :)
I think the central heating exchanger is a much better idea, haha...
Excellent idea. If you placed it in a larger metal container and had insulation in between ?
Thanks ! There are a lot of ways to make this much better. This was thrown together at the last minute just to get a video out.
Insulating it would help for sure. I tried it later and found that with the exhaust simply pointing up a little, the cook top was able to get close to 200C and it fried up an egg pretty quickly.
That hot dog is worse than the worrying of Co2 lol😂
Haha... I all depends who you ask !
4:42 that’s a long egg😂😂
LOL.... stupid thing... just stay in one spot... Gordon Ramsay I am not.
@@loweredexpectations4927but could Gordon make that long of an egg?🤔🤔😂
@@Weldoholic 🤣 I'm pretty sure not... he says not to add salt while cooling as it does something to the protein or something... and makes the egg runny... He's totally against long eggs.
@@loweredexpectations4927 weird I thought everyone just knew to season the eggs before they cooked to hold seasoning in anyways haha
@@Weldoholic That's my thoughts on the matter... lock it in, haha.
Be careful with putting your carbon monoxide detector too close to the exhaust pipe. You can “poison” the sensor with the non combustibles from the exhaust.
Yes, this is a good point... I always try to keep in moving and find a sweet spot. The manual on my other meter does warn about losing accuracy if exposed to high levels, but that you can correct this by setting it in fresh air for a while.
Best grill ever!! :D :D
Agreed !
An old electric radiator heater could possibly be turned into a heat exchanger
I assume you mean one of the oil filled type... I have been thinking of that... should work 👍. Drain the oil out and run the exhaust through, as long as you have a drain for condensation. It might rust out form the moisture after a year or two, but it should work fine until then.
How do you come up with these video ideas? I would've never thought of something like that. XD
Well... I'm glad you asked.
I was thinking of a way to capture heat from the exhaust, to make it more efficient. I had a piece of steel pipe and placed in the exhaust inside... when I checked the temperature of the pipe I thought to myself "wow, that's so hot you could cook an egg on it!" .... so I did, haha.
I have many many ideas like this, except that I can't afford to make most of them come to life... The odd time I come a across one like this that I can make happen !
Sliver soldier coper 1" coper tubing and make your heat exchanger
My thoughts exactly, two months ago, standing in the plumbing section at HomeDepot... and then I saw the price of the pipe, haha. 60 something for 6 feet. I'm not sure if I can justify the cost.
I've wanted to do it for a long time though.
Yep , I have worked with this type heater for years , the exhaust is usable however I had to make it Air tight , keeping in mind the heat .
The SS. Chineseum is not a good choice :-)
Was scrolling through the comments section, talking about another heater for a heat exchanger. I just picked up a couple of catalytic converters to play with. If you used one for a heat exchanger you could crank up the heater and not worry about CO and recover the heat through the cat and whatever length of exhaust pipe.
I like the idea of installing a cat in the secondary heater... I'm not sure that cats do anything to change CO. Cats calalize unburnt fuel but if CO is produced by the primary heater I don't know if the process of catalyzing changes CO at all...🤔
According to Google... they do in fact convert CO to CO2...
Yes sir, I would not post opinions as facts. I've been off grid for 13 years, been intensively studying alternative energy for about 30 years and studying chemistry as long. I built 2 wood Gasifiers, but put those away, too complicated, dirty and finicky. I do charcoal gasification now. I have an 1850 watt generator running on charcoal and am building a gasifier that I'm going to patent. I'm building a whole system: gasifier, gasometer for gas storage and my goal for the last 20 years is to convert the producer gas to methane and then to methanol to put in the gas tank, or mix with veg oil to burn in the heaters.
I admire doers and really like what you are doing.
Forgot to add, I'm almost there. I have to build more equipment. Still waiting for stuff from eBay. I'm a decentralist. The information is hidden in academia behind a money wall and a bunch of big words to put the masses to sleep. They keep this information almost inaccessible unless you go in the front door and play their game. I wouldn't make it past the front door, but it is a global initiative now.
Like George Carlin said: It's a big party and YOU ain't invited.
Who cares.
@@tjhouston4916 Very cool. I have been strongly considering waste oil gasification just to make a video... Never heard of it being done ... sort of just like distilling, I suppose, but without condensing the gasses.
For gas storage I assume it is compressed ? That must be quite the process... it would have to be cooled, have all the moisture removed and a bunch of other things I'm totally overlooking on this superficial level, haha.
For a year now I have been wondering if the exhaust heat from the heater would be enough to boil off waste oil and make enough fuel for the heater.
If you wrapped the box it’s some insulation the top would have gotten a good bit hotter. You are losing a lot of heat on the sides.
Absolutely. this was very last minute, use whatever is laying around. There are much better ways to do this.
How would a "cast iron radiator" work for as a heat exchanger? And adding a 12volt computer fan?
If it was large enough, that would work great ! Cast iron isn't as good at absorbing and dissipating heat as say aluminum, but if it has enough surface area, it will absorb lots of heat.
Lol at u cooking
Cooking up a storm... A little late for Christmas dinner... Maybe next year !
How about making an oven to bake bread
Interesting thought. I'd also have to find someone who was able to bake bread in a real over for a fair test, haha.
Kinda disappointed you didn't cook bacon with that egg and then use the bacon grease to refuel the heater. Not quite a perpetual motion machine, but at least it would smell good.
HAHA... I have bacon and was considering it, however, it would be a sin to waste bacon, and I wasn't sure if It was actually going to work, or if it would be edible due to being cooked on the tin... I thought it may be coated with a clear coat or something.
use a old cast iron heat radiator
I hear in some places these can be found cheap, even at scrap yards... not so much on the west side of Canada. The house I grew up in, on the East Coast had a coal fired boiler with cast radiators... and our schools all had water heat, but I haven't seen any of that in decades.
I'm in Ontario and there's still some for sale here on marketplace and kijiji and They do still sell new ones but there not that cheap
also you will get a lot of water out of the pipe when you try to cool it so keep that in mind
I was planning on just using some copper pipe but you will need a lot and its also not cheap lol @@loweredexpectations4927
Hey Joel, Happy New Year. I had a question. Could you theoretically run the exhaust out from one heater directly into the air intake of a second vevor heater and use the second heater's heat exchanger and fan to capture and use the exhaust heat? Do you think the exhaust from the first heater would be enough to heat up the second heater's heat exchanger to capture the exhaust heat. Might be an easy experiment given you have two heaters and only need to connect them by a length of pipe.
I have actually been wanting to do this for some time. I need to get another heater from Vevor, haha. I'm almost certain that this would work really well.
I've already thought about how you would have to remove the combustion fan so that it wouldn't melt... You would want to leave the external fan on and running as the greater the temperature differential, the more efficient it will be. I would say there is at least a Kw of energy being lost, and I think a second heater with a fan would do a pretty good job of capturing the heat.
I don't know how to ask Vevor for a heater for this reason... try to explaining to a chinese lady that .... yeah. I may just have to take the one out of my truck, or buy another one...
@@loweredexpectations4927
Oh oh, dangerous direction, especially these days, where luxury life has met its limits and the rollback has started.
I'd keep in mind, that there is not much sense in showing people how to burn money, empty their wallets faster or what else leads toward this direction.
The draining effect to peoples wallets is generally high enough just with the sparked interest in gadgets and tools, but the initial idea should linger around the point of saving money by diy.
So, no - it is not a good idea to burn valuable money by using a second heater as a mere heat exchanger and throw the expensive activ components out.
@@loweredexpectations4927 I'll ask them. "Hey Vevor! Joel needs another free heater to run an experiment that may or may not totally destroy it. But if it works, in return you get mine and potentially many hundreds more people's business who watch this channel and will want to buy another heater. Give Joel a free heater and the rest of us will keep giving you our business". There you go my friend, I'm sure Vevor are sending another heater to you as we speak😁
@@PUBHEAD1 I second @PUBHEAD1 's comment for Vevor to send you a free one, so that we'll continue to buy their stuff... Except we'll probably buy it anyway... But I still think they should send one to their new product ambassador.
@@PUBHEAD1 When will I receive our invoice for managerial services ? 🤣 I'm sure it would make for a great video... not always easy to explain that to even an english speaking person...
Bacon is supposed to go with eggs, not the hot dog 😋
Very true... but it would be down right reckless to risk ruining bacon !
I clean windows in the uk with a reach and wash system. Is there anyway heat a 450l water tank and the back of the truck with a diesel heater in winter? Everyting gets frozen and just now i put a oil heater in it in morning but its £££££££
Loving the content ❤
Very cool ! Thanks for the comment.
Thanks!
God bless
Thanks. Take care, friend !
Did you realize - there's a typo in the thumbnail
I did not... I will have to check it...
I don't see an error... What am I missing ?
Dieserl... It original Chinese transration accurate. Lol
@@tilly8297 LOL... OH... in the thumbnail ! I totally read "title" Oops.
Wow... I'm dopy. You clearly wrong "thumbnail" and I read "title" .... even after looking for an error.
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Thanks !
Just proves if the pipes freeze up to the toilet...you have a problem 🥺
Not sure I understand this comment.... 🤔 I mean... I'm not sure what proves this. Pipes freezing to your toilet is a problem, htat's for sure.
Connotation...rough food assortment with Pepsi drink..jeeze...just don't it for two years.I'm sure you have a decent kitchen with probably three wall ovens.😏and convection range and 12 large tv screens and 3 motor homes. With remotes that had to buy another remote..to make that remote more of a real remote.And please wipe grease prints off your guinnea pig heater.
@@DonaldWells-wk8dc Lol.... How'd you guess... I thought I was hiding it so well !
If only that were true I could sell one of my motorhomes so I can afford my house ! I'm probably not going to become totally homeless within the next few months, but I'm likely going to have to move because I won't be able to get a mortgage on my house. My common law is leaving and I have to buy her out, or sell.
Well, that wasn't very smart. Why, you ask because that tin and tin are far from food grade and most likely are dispersing heavy metals and toxic chemicals. YUM
Tape*
I start everyday with a heavy dose of cancer... Personally, I kinda like that salty taste. Lol
I wasn't cooking on the tape. I was cooking on the bottom of an old cookie tin... that has been used for 8 years to store plumbing supplies including solder, copper and brass pipe, haha.
The max temp was under 100C so I'm not at all worried about it, though I wouldn't recommend it for preparing your meals on a daily basis.