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- Jeremy and Richard pit the Ford Fiesta ST150 and the Citroën C2 VTS against each other in a battle of the hot hatchbacks, but who will be victorious out on the track?
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This episode was released in 2004, so it's closer to the 80's than we are now to this episode.
I'm so old
You wanna know something? That’s the year I was born. Celebrated my 18th birthday a few months ago.
Bloody hell 😳 that makes ya think where does time go
how ironic that 10 years later Hammond would fall in love with the Fiesta ST :D
What do you mean ironic. He was just acting his part. For all we know he hates that C2.
2.0 Fiesta 148bhp
1.6 C2 125bhp
my standard corsa 1.6 150bhp
@@illkaw your standard Corsa of what year?😂 No shit a 2010s car would have more hp than a mid 2000s car
@@samkmusicofficial1034 Weirdly My standard Corsa is 2008 (Not really a 2010's car.)
Another car i also own is a Insignia 1.8 which is 2011 and that only has 140bhp.
The 2007 Astra 1.8 i had before these was also 140bhp.
Neither the Insignia nor Astra have higher bhp then the Fiesta and barely more than the C2.
But in your opinion they should both have more. I also understand the point your trying to make but you talking to someone who knows this all too well. I also own a 1995 Cavalier 1.8 which only has 94bhp or did have when new.
So in brief;
1995 Cavalier 1.8 94bhp
2007 Astra 1.8 140bhp
2008 Corsa 1.6 150bhp
2011 insignia 1.8 140bhp
@@illkaw You literally have a car with a turbo compared to 2 NA engines
After watching this I've realized that modern hatches sure are massive.
Because they need to be safer. There are no more micro cars because they wouldn't get past any safety regulations.
@@dieOsamas mmm the Smart car crash test is interesting 😏
@@dieOsamas still doesn't make them safer 🤣
AND EXPENSIVE!!!
No wonder the Ford won,it has racing stripes,lol.
"Go faster stripes"
extra 80hp
Mitsubishi Starion GSR
So he cheated!
Spoiler alert???
I’m 18 and trust me , no 18 year old wants a citreon 😂😂😂
I once saw a citroen on my work and it was standing right next to an modern Peugeot and i didn,t like the both of them
Nothing wrong with a saxo vtr or vts anyone who has driven one will understand not many cars come close to being as fun to drive!
The youth of today have no idea! Saxo VTR/VTS over a mk7 or mk8 Fiesta ST any day
True, as soon as I saw it I knew I wanted Jezza to win
Trust me back in the day everyone had a Citroen saxo vts
If you're 18 you're gonna have a hard time insuring either of these :P
JCCars well
Forget 1.6 litres when we can barely afford 1.2
Retro Lad that’s unlucky for you
I got the facelift MK6 ST a few months ago, fully comp at 19 for 1k for the year. Fuel is the most expensive part lol
@@BiscuitEdits That's very reasonable to be honest!
I own the ST150 and its an awesome car, my only gripe is that it sounds a bit standard but other than that its great, was cheap as well. Just know it isn't very fast on the straights but it feels fast but in the corners this thing is a boss, best overall car for the money I think, also very fun, just don't race anyone at the lights or you'll look stupid.
I've just bought one
I had a VTS, after driving it for 3 years I figured the VTS stood for Very Tacky Shit as that's what it was like
🤣
The stripes made it faster...
DrYksM Fiesta ST 150hp , racing stripes 50hp = 200hp 😂
I love that comparision between IPod and Walkman, because that's exactly how I feel about my Fiesta MK6 and I absolutely love it.
"This is an iPod and that is a cassette player"
"Yes but this is first and that is second"
hammond says the fiesta st is no good, yet in the perfect road trip he drove one and thought it was great...mmm
Almost ten years mate. I think...
And drove a focus rs in the grand tour special
I am 18 and i've just bought a Ford Fiesta ST150, absolutely fantastic car!
harry strickland what’s insurance like haha
And Hammond acknowledged later on in Season 20 that the 80's were brilliant
What! A Citroen that made it round the track without breaking down! Or was it towed round the track by the Ford?
Jetmec hahaha
it must have been
Why does everyone hate the citroen?
@@smartpea5596 They are one of the worst car according to the JD power survey
Wow i didn’t know that i always thought they were really reliable because my c4 never had 1 problem with it
Hammond: 'see I'm tighter to the line here.....'
Proceeds to drift out wide
Getting shut of my vts after 7 years of joyous driving . Unfortunately it's had a stroke and it's lost the use of the electrics on its left side .
Depending how long you cain 2nd and 3rd it will leave st's behind
Gonna miss her :(
She only just covered the dibber for my abarth :)
Every cloud and all that.
R.I.P my lil French fancy
I’m 17 an I just bought a classic Mini from the 80s, even better!
That makes a point. Nowadays when u buy a car, it's not just a car, it's skynets bathroom. Automatic dual clutch, electronic parking brakes, unnecessary beeps, massive and distracting infotainment system. styling that would look no different if it was driven on by a tank, unnecessary power upgrades and LED headlights that make the sunlight look dim.
I don't care who won this battle. even at 15yo I'd pick an old hot hatch over the stuff they are producing today, when I get my driving license.
No one cares you poor fuck
Not gonna lie, that's a pretty sweet first car. I see this comment is a year old now, so I hope it served you well. Still got it?
@@RaiderOfTheLost spastic 😂
@@RaiderOfTheLost who asked for your opinion?
Тоо bad they didn't review more of that fiesta its awesome!
Hammond's mistake was championing the Citreon instead of the other two contemporary Hot Hatch class leaders. Renault and Honda's Type R have long been the cars that gave Ford's ST division the most challenge, not Citreon, not Seat, and not Peugeot.
Think these were quite a bit cheaper
True that is a good point Mk8 Miller 👍
These were about 12-13k while even then a Civic Type R was about 18k. The only Renault RS comparable in price would be either the Clio RS 172/182 which even then were a bit more expensive but probably a little faster as well or the Twingo RS 133 which came and went without anyone noticing hardly. It’s also worth pointing out that the C2 was the replacement for the Saxo and the Saxo VTR/VTS was the king of hot hatches in its day
I have a fiesta mk6, itz a 1.6 zetec, but still a powerful nice car
Sounds like a event in Gran Turismo 6 lmaoo...
one of the early ass races using a 150hp car
When he brings up the insurance, Richard suddenly starts spouting useful information.
I bet the Citroen reeks of cigarettes and fromage.
Probs owned by my mum
the old mk6 model fiesta sts still look 100 times better than the newer models
Don't think they realise we can barely insure a *base model* fiesta. It's ridiculous
Back in 2004 though!
Ive just bought an 06 Fiesta ST 150 and love it!
I will always stick with Citroën. my first car is a Citroën c3 mrk1 and that car kicks ass and is very reliable
I've just purchased an st150,such fantastic little car.
Mad respect for Jeremy giving props to the RS200 and Escort Cosworth, those were *LEGENDARY* hot hatches on the road, off the road, and on the track. I have nothing but respect for the Focus and the Fiesta, but I *really* like the paint job the one Jeremy is driving in this clip.
Honda 160+hp since early 90's with 1.6 and 35mpg.... ford 145bhp out of 2.0 in 2014 lol Honda k.series 2.0 180hp in 2001...
Honda has a little magic trick called V-tec, it basically means you have 50hp till you hit 5k rpm, then you have to shift and you're back at 50hp xD
Truespeed motorsports the fiesta is a 2004 car. ford had 150bhp from a 2.0 in 1993 WITHOUT the variable cam timing that honda call V-tec.
Truespeed motorsports Ford is American. American cars aren't exactly known for their engineering and technology.
the st heavily restricted for lower insurance, st150 can be tuned to 200 with a few mods. Although 10 years on st-2 can get 240 with some mods from a 1.6 turbo
Sorry but french cars are terribly ugly! I'd choose the ford over the Citroen any time. :D
Ffs without the DS your little ford wouldn't be the same. Citroen make the most comfortable cars driving wise.
+neilvader I saw some fords eaten for breakfast of Renaults and Peugeots sports versions.... sorry mate. TS
The 508 and Megane and C6 look phenomenal. They look better than a Ferrari LaFerrari and nearly every super/hypercar except the Lamborghini Aventador.
Uhhhhh....
Do you think that the aventador is good looking? lol
I remember when i first sat in a Citroën back in the early 90's in a Citroën dealership and to my shock the pedals were offset.
So i walked out immediately with disgust and never sat in a citreon again lol.
Well if you’re looking for something sporty and fast a Citroën will almost never be the answer, if however you are looking for a comfortable and relaxing car with some quirkiness, Citroën is the perfect choice, although if you were looking for a Xantia Activa you certainly made the wrong decision to not buy it, that thing is still more stable in heavy maneuvering than a 911
Offset? What do you mean exactly?
@@WH250398 When you were sat in the drivers car seat in a Citroën the 3 pedals below, clutch, brake & accelerator pedals were offset to the left compared to most other cars, so the clutch pedal on the far left was way too far to the left and was awkward to push it in because it was it was too far to the left compared to most other cars.
Your left leg would be at a sharper angle to left pushing the clutch in, so your leg, foot & hip would ache a while after a long drive.
@@1066gaz Well that's stupid.
@@WH250398 Yep Citroën is certainly stupid.
18 years later and it really shows who is the better car manufacturer. There are still a lot of fords about of that body shape, however there arent that many citroens about.
Richard loves the fiesta ST, somehow I think he was just hating on the ST because Clarkson liked it 😂
That's the whole point. They hate there colleges car all the time😂
Love my little Citroen. Would get the ford, money no object, but it's so much more expensive to buy and insure at 17
Citroen C2
I used to drive a C2 VTR, one of the most fun hatchback I've ever driven.
Now I got an mx5, wich is better and funnier but not an hatchback ;)
I have an st it’s like a tiny go cart handles so well engine size is a bit silly for a n/a bit it’s bags of fun
Got a st150 2008 mk6. I just love that car! Sure, it isnt trouble free! But you forget these troubles when pushing it on tight backroads!
VW GTI owners laughing at both of them. 😆
I actually own a Fiesta ST150 and it's brilliant!
Hammond literally can talk all he wants about the ST150 but meanwhile he's behind??????????
"he's not getting away from me in the corners"
yeah well are you passing him no
That Citroen has to be one of the ugliest cars i've seen.
yea
GTR is uglier...
Try looking at the ford KA ( KACK) , Renault Megan & the so called G-wizz C'MON They AV GOT to be GROSSLY WORSE!!! Personally I don't like any modern car. NO CHARACTER!
wat
Gigidag77 don't look at a Pontiac Aztec.
What episode is this from? I thought I'd seen every one but obviously not!
+TopGear figures, i was about to say clarkson looks like a spry young lad in this
The Ford is better because the Citroen is, well , French.
I will never ever get a Ford. You have to look hard to find a worse rustbucket then Ford. On that note, i would never get a Citroen either, because as you said, it's french.
Lavdi That or a Volvo.
Scot-free And the Fiesta German
i'm agree, but the espace f1 was french :( and venturi 400(that sort of f40 clone) even, obliously a road car is different, a clio williams can't compete with cosworts(sierra or escort)
France have given us some incredible cars.
It's interesting that, no matter how many times Top Gear do the whole solving-the-1980's-Hatchback-versus-a-modern-hatchback-debate-once-and-for-all gambit, no-one ever seems to notice that they bring it back almost every series.
In fact, I swear I first saw Clarkson use this idea 17 years ago, back in 1997 on 'Apocalypse Clarkson'...
Hammond is soo wrong on this occasion
I have a fiesta ST like the one in this video. awesome little car
Me too, blue with gt40 lines)
in the description is says Citron C2 VTS when its Citroen
Now, a new stock civic beats both in performance. How much times have changed...
Base Civics now has like 180hp since its I-Vtec Turbo so yeah, the Fiesta ST or C2 are dogwatered
I own a 2019 fiesta st and it is absolute beautiful to drive. you dont buy a fist for the interior or the luxury, you buy for the driver experience, it is one hell of a ride for what it is
"He's not getting away from me........ I'm tighter in the lines......." but I list by MILES!!
The bottom line is
'Jeremy drives better than Hammond'
That's been obvious from the first big crash
The thing is, the c2 vts is fairly cheap to buy compared to an st, I went with one myself last year and whilst it isnt as fun as a saxo vtr its still worth the money, if your looking for a fun hot hatch you can get a decent vts for £1000
Stick to running in Wheels, Hamster! :)
Got an XR4 (Aussie equivalent identical to the ST minus the ST badge), its a dream to drive, especially around the corners, feels quite quick and snappy, has a light flywheel though so requires a bit of revving to prevent stalling, otherwise steering is tight, sticks to the road like cement, brakes are good and its an overall good buy, just has issues with reliability, both of the drivers seats no longer pull forward so can't get into back, boot rattles and the driver's window motor is busted (reportedly common problem). As an all rounder, I don't know much better for the price, something comparable to it however is the Polo GTI but doesn't have the same "fizz".
damn remember when they were allowed to race side by side on the track
Let me just clarify...I've owned a fiesta st 150bhp and now I have a citreon c2 1.6 diesel turbo vts stage 1 mapped 143bhp 238lbs foot and I can honestly say my citreon would piss all over my fiesta st ...plus 30 pound a year tax a lot less on insurance and way way better mpg ...job done..
A stock N/a car vs a mapped turbo car is an unfair comparison. Of course the turbo car is going to be quicker.
An ST150 with a basic bolt on turbo kit makes 230bhp+ but that’s not a fair comparison either tbh.
Walkman for the win!!
I like Jeremy rolex submariner
This was shown on TV in 2004, which is just as far away from today in 2022 as it is to 1986. The 2000’s in the 2020’s is the equivalent of the 1980’s in the 2000’s
Agreed, I'm with Jeremy on this one fords better
That Fiesta's last MOT was in 2009. It probably got written off.
I like both
My choice would be either the Ford 3 cylinder turbo Fiesta or the VW, VR6
Hatch. Both are excellent.
I am 18 and I still prefer the ford because I know I can afford that
3 years later, has your mind changed?
Icemann336 gaming
Lol
the fiesta has a massive engine though
The Stig's German Cousin
If you can call 2 litres "massive" unless you mean it relatively to the car. Even then, the VR5/6 and other 2.5L 5-pots exist
Icemann336 gaming I mean for a first car, 2 litres is a ridiculous amount for insurance prices (I'm relating to the original comment we are replying to)
Richard is wearing one of James’ shirts while driving that Citroen
Ford
The Citroën is way more user friendly and cheaper to buy and run than the ford. Plus that fiesta looked like an 80s throwback whereas the C2 has aged quite well!
@@MadKingJorge No, they just moved to Eastern Europe. Ford just gone to junk yard. I still have C2 GT running like beast.
2:21 its the mirror of opposites!
I would choose the Ford. Love the stripes.
Fricking insurance. Ive a friend with a Supra that he cant drive until hes 30. Same with these two hot hatches. You're going to be destroyed.
A 1.6 litre Citroen small hatchback ...........
Cost me an extra £30 to go from a 1.6 focus to the ST150, 21 with coming up to 3 years no claims next month, a tickle under £1000. Sounds bad but my first car a 2000 W reg 1.25 fiesta cost £1290 to insure and changing to a 1.4 03 took it to £1690 😅
Actually the best performers of the hot hatches from the 80's were 1. VW Corrado G60 160hp 2. Opel Kadett GSI16v 150hp , 3. Golf GTI 16v 129hp. All three had emissions control. The Escort RSturbo was a great hot hatch 1.6turbo 132hp but had no cat converter and was disqualified in a German Auto, Motor and Sport Hot Hatch test in 1988 or 89.
AetiusPraetorian corrado had a supercharger, kadett (or Astra as it is known in the UK) was 16 valve, as was the Golf. the Escort was running technology in the basic engine that was tested in the 70's and, in carburettor, non turbo form, was launched in 1980 with mechanical fuel injection added in 1981, if memory serves me. distributorless ignition was trialled on the RS1600i in 1981 and the turbo wasnt added to the range until around 1985. ford was ALWAYS playing catch-up in the 80's with their engines, with the exception of the Cosworth. the car that spawned the road going rally car for the masses (Lancia had a bad reputation and were rare in the UK and Audi were VERY expensive, compared to ford, opel (Vauxhall in the UK) VW etc) LONG before the Mitsubishi Evo and Subaru WRX etc. and even though the cosworths may not be as fast as the mitsubishi or subaru, theyre STILL the better car
Peter Lattimer Yeah I remember the Sierra Cosworth. Was a pretty bad ass car in those days, of course so was the M3 and MB 190E Evo price for these two was abit higher. I know the Escort RS turbo was kind of a throwback in tech, but still performed quite well considering. The Kadett (Astra) GSi16v was an excellent racer from those days. Even the GSi's with just the standard 2.0i-OHC (115-129hp) gave the Golf GTI, GTI16v a spanking. They should have also shown the Peugeot 205 GTI 1.9. The one VW I liked back in the late 80's was the Corrado G60 and later the VR6. Bad ass little hatchback. It amazes me how much HP it takes today to get smaller but heavier hatch's to achieve decent 0-100km times.
AetiusPraetorian id totally forgotten the 205 GTi, although the 1.6 was better set up in the suspension department for UK roads (the 1.9 was too stiffly sprung and the bodyshells were prone to flexing and cracking at welded joints because of it) but again, running much newer tech than the old RS turbo escort (and later, fiesta)
as for smaller and heavier needing more power to achieve the same 0-60mph times (0-100km/h) whilst i do agree, and it takes more power to achieve the same times as it did with a lighter car (obviously) im not necessarily certain than the cars ARE smaller! for example, i currently own a 2010 ford mondeo. this is as big, and heavier, than the 1994 Ford Granada (Ford Scorpio, depending where you are from) i owned 15 years ago. the current ford fiesta we have in the UK is much heavier and bigger than the original Ford escort was, and its the same with all other cars too. the original 205 gti was VERY light. its modern equivalent is meant to be the 208, but i reckon the 107 is probably nearer the size of the original 205, and the new car will be MUCH heavier! the Polo is now the size of an early Golf, and also heavier than the original Golf, Corrado was a replacement for the original Scirocco, and because they were based on the Golf, the new Sciricco is much bigger and heavier etc......
so yes, theyre heavier cars and need more power. also we, as buyers, demand more equipment than ever, air-con, power steering, ABS, Airbags etc all add to weight and drag. are the cars smaller? no. they have just upsized each model and can now slot in a new model at the smaller end of the range.
My favorite hatchbacks are the early 90's honda civics and the vw golf.
Both actually make fantastic RX cars!!
i personally have the code limited edition of the c2, great car
Ive had my st for 10yrs and have drove it like jezza for 100thousand miles I haven't been to particular about oil changes either and its know knocking from bottom end so hats off to ford it lasted well 🏁
You can tell this is some old school shit since they talk about an iPod being modern.
I would have rather worked harder for Fiesta, the price difference is made up for with the visuals.
I'm 26, I've got Ford Escort XR3i, and don't give a damn about some insurance groups =)
i miss old top gear
;D
0:57 bit ironic because if you see the episode 1 in season 21 (with the 80s hot hatchs are better than modern ones) richard says he loved the 80s
Different writers write different things for them to say that they love or hate.
He got older and started to get nostalgic... :)
also in episode 3 in season 2 he didnt really like the look of the c2
I acctualy have a Ford Fiesta not exactly like the one on the show but similar it is orange and I have named it Evelyn
They spelled "Citron" wrong in the description
+TopGear Who comments? The Stig? Hammond? ;-)
+Dà wèi Chan Citron mean Lemon so it's correct LOL
They are the best!
the new ford fiesta st looks much better than this tiny model
Maybe it just looks tiny, they look the same size parked next to each other, even a focus or golf doesnt look much bigger.
TOP Nürburgring Videos the parts from the mk7 model is from my mk6 recycling parts same thing
I have Mk6 and that's when they stopped looking good. After that they look like bottom feeder fish with big guppy mouths.
But It weight less
And sounds so much better!
I wish, i have a Ford Sierra 2.9l :D
Top gear please bring Jeremy, Richard and James back. The show was such a success. Will they come back Soon?
+Panico Soteriou Nope, the trio is going to amazon!
No one ever rolls up with their mates in a citroen
Citroën saxo maybe
Whats an I pod?
Fiesta ST is a different class to that French shitbox C2
+CFC1995 Rubbish! First of all the fiesta has a 2 liter turbo against a 1.6 and It has only 23 hp more. Then the interior of the ford seems that they cost 9.99. In the follow-throw the c2 looks like far more exiting just because It is!
+CFC1995 And then there is the fact that Clarkson is a better driver than Hamster! Give them to the stig and I bet they are almost identical! Oh, in the citroen you feel like you are in a premiun pruduct! And It's way more confortable also with hard suspention!
+TheBellonz The mk6 ST doesn't have a turbo, just naturally aspirated 2.0 ltr
Brad yeah It is not turbocharged!
+CFC1995 I drive that french "shitbox" and I cannot complain. It's very sporty, very cheap reliable and full of extras for way less money. Now explain why it's shit?
First of 122 Bhp is heaps enough for a 1100Kg car second nothing rattles at a 120 mp/h and third it's comfy in your normal day use even with the stiff suspension.
Everyone knows the only thing Hammond knows about cars is to PRETEND he's the stig.
Sorry, but I'm with Jezza on this one. I just can' pick a french hatchback over an american one. The Ford is full of pride and power and history while the Citroen is built by the same company that did the 2CV. At least it doesn't have 17 reverse gears ;)
How bout an ultimate minivan challenge.
My mum had that Ford Fiesta ST and it's the best car she's ever had
Richard's celebration after winning the off-road race against the German rivals.
The ford st is also restricted by ford to 148hp for insurance purposes for younger drivers, derestricted it's 165hp
R.I.P. Jeremy Clarkson The Man of the Year :,(
R.I.P Richard Hammond the true man of the year and perhaps the decade
lovin' the face of hammond in the thumbnail! also, may i point out Top Gear did a typo and in the description wrote "...and the Citron C2 VTS against..."