Renault VS Peugeot VS Ford - HOT HATCH DEATH MATCH | Fifth Gear
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- Taken from Series 23 of Fifth Gear, first broadcast in 2013, Tiff & Jason bring you one of our best Hot Hatch death matches, Renault VS Peugeot VS Ford! Enjoy...
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Peugeot for me, test drove all these and brought a 208 GTi, had it three years and it's been brilliant.
Your lucky, mine keeps breaking down
Love these 2 ... they should have their own show called “Thrashers”.
It’s annoys me all these programs say the fiesta is 20hp down because it really isn’t. It’s 197 in the top gears
I have GTi in 55000 km. Love it so much and in Türkiye we prefer 208 GTİ rather than other Hot hatches.
I have the new Fiesta ST and it’s sensational 👊 The old one was a riot as well !
I've just got a 2008 st 150 new to this
Clio could have been driven out without launch or sport mode and it would have been seconds ahead.
Don't think so bud. It's the heaviest, dct don't like short burst driving like that
If you've driven a fiesta st ever you'll understand why it's the pick for most people
this whole scene was so ridiculous to watch. you dont need to use the key to open the clio, you dont need to put the key in, you dont need to use launch control get off. they just tried too hard to fuck this car up. If they hat put it in manual and race they could have shifted gears easily. so far they didnt had any idea how to use the car proper.
@@robbe_895 absolutely agree! also in the first test that radar should've been mounted to some kind of tripod, not to the hand of a human
I loved the running of Tiff. Always love him.
You can still find him on the _Lovecars_ channel
😎👍🏼
@@YusufGinnah F**k I unsubscribed them. I couldn't see their shitty drag races. I had subscribed just for Tiff.
Quarter mile usually won by the fastest time.
Somehow completely forgetting how to get in and drive a car is a bit odd. Something tells me the Clio lost before the cars even arrived.
These two are the best , you learn a lot about a car by pushing it ...
I hate the Clio, it looks ugly and it has the most hopelessly stupid gearbox which is atrocious and its utterly wayward and its also I strongly despise Renault
Owned the GTi for 5 years and absolutely loved it!
Im planning to buy the 2013 model used, how is reliability
@@achilleas_christ9136 I'd avoid a 2013. Post facelift are more reliable (late 2015 onwards). You can tell the difference between pre and post facelift from their front bumper style.
@@achilleas_christ9136 did you get one?
I love the Fiesta ST, its so much more better than the two Frenchies and it has a more desirable badge
In this segment of cars, the badges are about equal, if not tipping the scales in favour of the Renault and Peugeot considering their hot hatch history.
2013: Hot hatches should have back-to-basics driving thrills
7 years have passed and hot hatches are now popular with dual-clutch gearboxes. Oh... how times change. 😆
The problem is they dont have a mechanism to shift quickly between Reverse and forward gears. Can't pull off J-turns with an automatic shifter.
I like this video, very interesting and exciting in making it.
Salute ,salute .
Atleast for us in the U.S.A. (unsure how diffrent the tune is) the fiesta st is better off shifting around 5500 and not redline due to how it makes power
The clio lost in the second challenge due to user error. Perhaps if Tiff tried to be less exuberant while doing the setup, he wouldn't have to redo some of the settings.
I haven't driven that car but having driven a few modern cars, they are increasingly being dominated by pointless, complicated technology. Everything is "automatic" or "haptic" etc, there are touchscreens where basic functions that could be done with one button require three presses, there are suspension modes, gearbox modes etc etc, it's horrific compared to a sports car of the 90s and early 2000s in particular.
I agree they should have practiced it better, and put the clio in race mode, but the point they were trying to make is valid, it's a fat overweight car with too many silly electronics, and should have been manual. Period. Auto or paddle hot hatch is no hot hatch at all. Does it even need three modes? No, no it doesn't. It's a stupid car and they exaggerated that. All car journalists felt the same way.
@theashenfox are you kidding me? 🤣🤣🤣
Since when was manual transmission a requirement to be a hot hatch? So your telling me that a DCT Golf GTI and R, Hyundai I40N, Mini John Cooper Works, Megane RS, etc. are not hot hatches? That's an opinion only you hold.
Agreed that a more retro approach would have bit for fun. But it is the 21rst century and not everyone, sadly, can drive a manual or want to drive a manual. So should the automakers lose sales because of the few that wants a manual gearbox? I think not.
I love that 208 gti soooo much
When your mom says we have top gear at home
Yes, but Tiff Needell
Yes, but Jason Plato
@@AndorRadnai All hail Jason Potato
@@maxlundquist All hail Jason Pilates!
This is better than some top gear
This remind me of the days I use to buy Motor and CCC magazines
I agree with you guys. That's why I bought my fiesta!
So in fact the clio was the fastest in the second test because it left at 35 seconds. And was also behind held back at the end of that part. The first test with only 1 mile speed difference I would like to see again. So I really dont get why the rs is not in the final.
That’s the whole point, it left later because the time begins from running to the car, turning on, sports mode etc. All 3 were tested the same, the Clio might off got a better time if it was more simple to drive.
@@davidhall1680
Nonsense test. If we say based the Tesla model 3 performance on how easy and fast it is to engage launch it'd get its ass handed to it. As it is, it doesn't.
Same for the Clio. So it's a little more involved to engage a few features? What difference will that make on a track day if all three were in their sportiest settings prior to the flag dropping? None.
Can you compare the Ford fiesta st vs Hyundai i20N... please
Oh, This has taught me that I am not entirely wrong for liking the Peugeot! I would love the little gti! Simple and quick!
As someone who owns one. They’re not the most reliable unless you get a face lift 2015+ model but they are so much fun and incredibly underrated. Amount of times I’ve been on the motorway and someone tried racing me without actually realising what they’re capable of is unbelievable
@@OverIoad7 what's wrong with the early ones?
@@adamstanford9998 water pump, weaker bottom end and KO3 turbo whilst face lift have the KO3S. Also chain tensioner is known for going on pre facelifts. Mines just gone and in need it replacing
Edit: I’ve definitely missed a few but also clutch release bearing is one
@@adamstanford9998High pressure fuel pump is notorious for going on the early models.
These 2 are great. We love a hot hatch
Avoid the Renault, its a terrible car and its completely slow and also they use cheap materials and they are hysterically terrible and the idea of having a flappy paddle gearbox hatchback is laughable
@@lightsaberlordp373 agree on the materials
He didn't have a clue what he was doing with the clio's traction control, don't need to hold the button twice, just start it out it in manual and hold the sport button and it automatically goes to race mode. I could have done that in half the time
Mate it took him 35 seconds meaning if you had done it in half the time it still would of lost by a mile.
I love it so much I bought it even though North America would only allow the four-door/five door.
You guys get all the good stuff.
European countries are not one blanket unity. Each country may have different specs and prices more so in the UK .
@@andyantonioap did you or did you not get the 3-door Fiesta ST?
I didn't say shit else.
I disagree we only get the three door in my country and i'de rather have the 5 door version for practicality ! Although the three door looks a bit better
@@jonah9165 you say that, but the back doors and seats are tiny and useless.
I had a first gen focus 3 door, and my ex had the 4 door, our friends always wanted to ride in my 3 door because, though it's a little harder to get in and out of there, it was much more roomy in the 3 door back seat once you were there.
@@deejayimm
Not withstanding the comment on the Clio...but I've owned several generations and model types of the Focus... how in the world was the 3 door roomier than the 5 door with the same wheelbase but with ever so slightly bulkier front seats?
Did they not get the 5 door fiesta st in the uk?
I wonder how this GTI compares to the facelift version by Peugeot Sport?
Pretty much exactly the same, except some minor tweaks. Driven both and I couldn’t tell driving normally.
Try adjusting the steering wheel if you can't see the display...
Over 44 mpg? Those manufacturers are comedians aren't they? 😂 😂
Gallons in the uk are bigger than American gallons, 44 would be 36 here, still high imo, but still more reasonable
@@ethanankrum4149 Manufacturers always bullshit about mpg. Even a Prius. 😂
On the motorway my 208gti done 50mpg.
@@williamsmith-ob6kv 'did'
Not really, I have the ST and it's very economical
Fiesta ST for me. Not am I also a massive fan of Ford, but also of Liftoff Oversteer. Hella fun.
Tiff is as old as my grandpa, yet looks as young as my dad!! Who is 42 btw
Just goes to show that in this weight class, 170/180bhp is a sweetspot. 20 extra horses don't really do anything under a 100mph. I've got a fiesta ST150 with mountune's mp165 package, so 165bhp and 200nm, and i've timed my 1/4 mile with the dragy timer, and managed 93mph in 15.3 seconds. Just 0.2 behind carwow's (2x times) 15.1 for the new mk8 fiesta ST. 😄👍
dont forget when you add overboost in the mk7.5 it's 197bhp only 1st and 2nd gear is at 180bhp
1:51 imagine thinking engine size is that important in performance lmao. Can easily get a 1.6 that’s quicker than a 2 litre
This is still better than new top gear
Need to get some of these french brands back into the USA....As long as they are reliable cars...remembering the 2CV Richard Dreyfus drove in movie American Graffiti!
Corsa: I'm I Nothing To You!!! 🥺
that's 8 years old jfyi
They probably didn't want to embarrass it :)
@@resnonverba137
I'd take the VXR over the ST.
@@skylined5534 I find that a very strange choice. VXRs are fine in a straight line, but lack handling balance and a decent chassis. Personally, I also hate the interiors. Still, it would be a boring world if we all liked the same thing.
@@resnonverba137
True, it would. Have you actually driven one on the road for an extended period of time? I think you'd feel differently Once you have done. Great little cars.
Fiesta is the best car here without a shadow of a doubt, mate of mine had the Peugeot and it fell apart on him, luckily it was still in warranty. And the gearbox in that clio makes it a no go, for me at least. Bought an ST last week and it’s fantastic. Also they neglect to mention that the fiesta has 200bhp in 3rd gear and above on overboost
Its i-cockpit interior, you should’ve looked the meter cluster above the wheel not through the wheel
For me easy choice Fiesta :)
I would've preferred they test the Clio for "fun" and lap time as well. The Fiesta is still the winner.
Problem is that Renault broke during the previous test XD
@@stjezeky2224Oh yeah XD
@@stjezeky2224 I mean... they tried to do a J-turn/reverse entry with a dual-clutch auto gearbox.
You just can't do that, obviously it broke. Quite pointless they tested agility like that on the poor Clio.
Jason is awesome and but I'm liking because of Tiff. @fifthgear you messed up by dropping Tiff.
Call me old fashioned but id rather have any of the older versions. They looked better and more fun to drive
Hello fifth gear why did tiff leaf fifth gear
GTi all day long 💪💪
I preferred the old Top Gear’s comparison personally 😊
You're in a minority of three.
Give me a geeeaaarrr!!
arrgg cmon the agility test is good but you need test the clio in the circuit...
Come on now, they don't want to see the Clio wrecking the Fiesta around a track...for some reason!
@@skylined5534 only because the 208 gti and fiesta st had stick shifts.
Tbh though they should have known that you can't pull J-turns/reverse entry with automatics. It was really pointless testing that on the Clio.
It's actually a quick car on racetracks though, that is where that dual-clutch gearbox works well.
@@aaryeshg.6526
Totally agreed. Wasn't it Chris Harris who was a fair fan of the mk4 Clio RS? Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure he liked it.
@@skylined5534 yes I think he was the only one who actually liked the Clio for what it had.
I think the real problem was this gen Clio came too early with the _4 door & dual-clutch auto only_ hot hatch that is now super common today. If this Clio was made today, people would honestly love it.
I personally don't care that it has no manual or 2 door version because it still is a very fun and fast car, it was simply more grown up and easier to live with, much like the ones today like the VW Golf R and Mercedes-AMG A 45 S. Both of these cars have the same 2 things the Clio introduced back then, 4 doors only and dual-clutch in a hot hatch.
Where did Peugeot's chassis engineers go?
Peugeot sport.
That was such a terrible set of tests back then. Like all motor shows of the time they wanted to punish Renault for removing the stick and adding a turbo, even though in most normal tests it was the winner. Launch control into a corner was particularly painful though, we get it - you wanted a long time.
100% agree...if anyone wants to watch an actual proper review of the Clio RS200, they should watch the Chris Harris Drive video
Yeah. Like what the actual fuck was that one test when they run in? Unlock the car, keyless start, put it in drive and hold the rs button to go into race mode. No need to launch control out of there aswell... Just poorly done, just to shit on the Clio
Most road tests I have from the time had nothing good to say about the clio
@@nickblundell9990 i think it was just the reaction to it being completely different to what the RS purists were used to before; no more 2 doors, now it was a 4 door only; no more high revving n/a 4-bangers with all the power at the top, but now it was a turbo lump with fat and flat torque curve that didn't rev high, no more manual but a DCT with paddles and 3 different driving modes;
Yes it was different but it wasn't bad and i think time will prove that;
that's why I said that Chris Harris Drive review was the closest truth to what Clio IV RS 200 is - a realy good small hot hatch
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 fluent they running
Nowadays cars drive us instead of us driving them. Shame.
As for the video - good work boys!
someone please wipe the grease off the camera lens :P
i'm off to buy a fiesta st
Shame the quicker track car was removed from taking part in the track test, I haven't watched Fifth Gear recently but I hope Tiff is less pantomime
Fifth gear was by far the best car show on TV better than T, G, and the grand tour.
Jason Plato and Tiff Needell work well together. End of a era
Regular car more interesting than a supercar hahaha
Hicieron de todo para manejar mal al Clio
Clio RS 3 much better than Clio 4 RS
They all breaking up. Not really yaris grmn levels ay?😂
So the Germans have done the French over yet again 🤣🤣
I knew you would have the Fiesta win but the cheating is so obvious, I can’t believe my eyes and ears! You’ve lost all credibility! 👎👎👎
My mom,s car ils a Ford Fiesta
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Why not just time it instead of using the stupid gun
Ford e traíra demais saiu do Brasil e deixou todo mundo na mão, se antes já era caro e difícil de conseguir peças de agora pra frente nem se fala
Can see why there not on TV anymore lol
Why does the older guy always act like an excited young school person?
I get the dual clutch isnt perfect for james bond turns - but this "putting it in sport mode and launch control" was so dumb.
Dual Clutch, just floor it and i will go :D
P.S: i know this test is 8 years old.
ok
Peugeot won 2/3 so I’d say it beat the Ford
And 4 all you younger generation the ST is the best to tune past 300hp on stock internals the French cars just break
The Pugs aren’t actually as bad as you’d think
Never had major issues with my 208 GTi 30th. A great driver’s car that’s not bad to live with!
300hp in a st sounds useless as hell
@@Garf2O I have 350, very capable car
205 T16
Clio William
Fiesta RS turbo
These modern ones are shite
Renault´s hot hatches ended in clio mk3
shit test..time of clio??????????????????????
The Peugeot is hideous.
you are just extremely bad with that clio
First hope the Peugeot wins
Using Death in the title of a Hot Hatch review feels a little off.
Polo gti ?
A boring VW
Dynamically Outclassed by these three..
Where's the corsa vxr.
In the bin where it belongs
@@ayrtonowen2703 not a fan of the corsa vxr I presume then
"These hatches aren't from the bargain bin section" proceeds to introduce the Ford.
I'd still take the clio over the other two because I don't race my passengers to get in or drive around an improvised 'fun' scenario.
Very old cars.
Its ford lol.....
Hello, how’s everyone doing?
I’d probably just pick the Ford; but I like Clios....Peugeot 🤮
I don't have anything against Peugeot but yeah, the Fiesta ST would be my pick
Peugeot troll spotted 😒🖕🤬
What an idiotic test of course they will get to the same speed on the same distance what's matters is time they need to do it... Its called physics
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.... Bruh.. You being serious
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announcing Peugeot's' biggest fan
@@stefanodeanjou8732 he's on every single Peugeot video trolling from South African videos to Top Gear videos to French videos haha 😂
Get a life Lopez. You've had time to troll every single Peugeot video on TH-cam 😒😂
Oh not this again. You’ve been doing this weirdly formatted comment on every Peugeot video for months now