Amazing talk and a useful companion to Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche's book Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism. Sparks of awake-ness and clarity revealed by through his words, delivered with humor and joy. Insightful. Thank you Shambhala Archives!
that foreign germ..ie theism.haha..try canada sheep incarnations as example. Of work and god an And crown ..thank you dear trungpa la..arab spring..and volcanic eruptions tsunamis Bring it on 2o22 buzzword now WOKE
sadly genius can either work in two ways make u gain unfathomable wisdom and enlightenment or make u crazy this man had the experience of living in these two worlds and just being human and being at least honest about it and not running away from his downfalls. he was open about his struggles and was real. We are all human and falter but his wisdom remains
He tackled the wild stallion mind of the American culture..and was a terma treasure holder of the karma kagyu family of great Masters.. he was a tulku..using all means to wake up the buddha in you
Such a loving master with unpredictable profound mind, wisdom and power 🙏🙏🙏 "Nothing happens, but everything is there at the same time." Smile with holding a piece of flower while teaching. He is buddha and buddha is precisely and basically everywhere... since your heart
Beyond Good and Evil - Milarepa "Comprehending beyond Good and Evil Opens the Way to perfect Skill. Experiencing the dissolution of Duality, You embrace the highest View. Quotes from Master of the Kagyu Lineage.
I have had the honor of being a student under several Gurus including from the Vajrayana tradition and a Zen roshi. They were all incredibly helpful. I have seen many Western students project their own religious heritages onto Buddhist and Yogic teachers and unfortunately it prevented them from receiving the full benefits of the teachings. Meditation Masters are more like shamans than ministers, priests, rabbis, etc. I think this is a problem that goes unrecognized and has done much damage to dharma in the west.
agree yes i do if students know what vows tib damshig ..they have taken. they would not be babies indefinitely waitng for a guru to drag their corpses to liberation.. lazy students get discouraged .give up samaye ..and hide in denial.. be that as it may..dharma is the only truth worth the struggle .isnit it?
This is the reality of Dharma in the West. Many times people want to hold onto the known and say that they are RIGHT rather than joyful, loving or compassionate. NewCultureofPeace&Love…..Now!🙏
Sorry. Love the guy ... he could talk the talk but stumbled when he tried to walk the walk. In the end I now see that he did not fail the sangha. The sangha failed him.
They say ( I could also quote a book) that Chogyam Trungpa did come from the same Wisdom School as Gurdjeff. Actually, they did teach very similar Doctrines by using very similar methods.
How very ironic that he himself suicided by long-term alcohol abuse. I love him and his pathos and his grief. A complex and lovable soul, he has my eternal goodwill.
His teachings were profound, he didnt withold anything. The deepest teachings he gave to westerners, sure that they could listen and understand. Now that his behaviour, his drunken escapades are history, we can listen to the words rather than be distracted by the fog and miasma that they generated.
His cocaine use, torture of animals, beatings of humans were not profound. This man was a twisted freak, and caused so much harm it's unbelievable that anyone would bother to listen to him.
I am fortunate to be of or from no lineage, say,... accident & body health & Grace of being Human & neuroplasticity have taught me a lot, as well as listening to many different experiences of “aging”, “community”, “learning”,... ... re: Marilyn’s comments, I largely agree with them, as the relative “outsider” I am,... ... I write here now, sparked by Marilyn’s note, but also by what maybe moves her to share them & what/who she shares being witness & participant with in/by her life & practice,... ... ... “Meditation Masters” are just you & she & me, who practice Human, being,...including some sitting, as well as work, play & doing, & including everything anyone ‘woke’ (as described here maybe) survives, is able or ‘disabled’ to do/be, is paying attention & aware to feel & live, do, be, while we age & don’t die,... ... ... it might “look” very different, such “economy” or “planning”, “investment”, “care giving for aging is a work which might require fewer jobs”, & “social safety net”, or it might “look” like things today,... ... but fewer real people will act or feel as “false”,... & fewer will live out the fear of it,...
Are y'all able to stay present while reading? I can sometimes, but more often than not, symbols do not help me; being outside in nature is when it's easiest.
so i just bought a t shirt from GTs kumbucha that is all Wlack with Bhite font that reads: "ENLIGHTENED." on the chest. should i not wear it? Fuck. It was like 30 bucks.
@Annie charpentier just remember if anyone asks you "what is enlightenment?" while wearing your shirt make sure to tell them "Enlightenment is absence of bullish*t"
Even a student should know that it is impossible to explain experiences like emptiness in words. A master also struggles with trying to make it comprehendable let alone experienc-able. So why get caught up in what words he used and in what resonated with you or didn’t? Isn’t it the experience of in this case Emptiness that we are looking for in the space that the words are not occupying (in addition to the space that they are occupying) ?
I guess it’s just that much easier to bitch about someone’s choice of words or style of expression than sit in vipashyana meditation trying to realize emptiness :)
There's only APPARENT Suffering due to false identification with the subjective bodies...gross subtle mental..and getting caught up in objective creation with the phenomenal world of duality of forms...and only during the waking state of Consciousness of 16 hours a day... MEHER BABA...Don't worry be happy 🥰
One can be physically awake but full of thoughts and emotions, false concepts and fantasies. From this point, all of life, waking and sleeping, can be seen as a dream world. You may think you are a student, an engineer, a father, whatever... Is it your essential nature? No. This is dreaming, a drama that arose, is playing out and which will end. Just as a body of memory and identity emerges when we open our eyes and arise in the morning, and our sleeping body is filled with this waking body, so our essential nature can emerge into the dream-world of our lives, when we create the right conditions for it (non-aggression, meditation - the "eightfold path"). This is the awakening he is talking about.
There's only APPARENT Suffering due to false identification with the subjective bodies...gross subtle mental..and getting caught up in objective creation with the phenomenal world of duality of forms...and only during the waking state of Consciousness of 16 hours a day... MEHER BABA...Don't worry be happy 🥰
@@BeyondSideshow There is nothing to realize the mind cannot see mind like an eye cannot see its self. If you use mind to study reality you won't understand mind nor reality if you don't use mind you'll understand both.
HE represents both sides of DUALITY... GOD Get Over Duality...in the waking state of Consciousness Every ISSC individualized soul SELF Consciousness is playing their role as per their prarbhdha Sanskaras... Our goal is to UNLEARN our evolutionary Sanskaric Ignorance through the teachings and our own experiences and REALIZE our SELF ...the Real I SELF. ..rather than getting entangled with our eps..ego personality selves. ..which exists only during the waking state. .. There's only APPARENT SUFFERING due to false identification with the subjective bodies...gross subtle mental..and getting caught up in objective creation with the phenomenal world of duality of forms...and only during the waking state of Consciousness of 16 hours a day... WE are in a WAKING DREAM from which we haven't woken up or AWAKENED as compared to our sleeping dream from which we wake up. Period. What a "god"...game of duality. ..nothing more...nothing less...just be a POW Pure Observer Witness. ..not a "prisoner of war" with our 'thinking mind ego' MEHER BABA...Don't worry be happy 🥰
His ideas, interpretation of Hinayana idea of Shunyata is bullshit though. They aren't nihilist. They definitely wouldn't be sitting there drunk on their asses though while delivering a Buddha teaching. haha The Hinayanans are not with out bodhicitta either. Trungpa definitely was a bodhisattva who dropped into a hell realm Had to be a drunk end up drinking himself to death in order to attract people in the same situation. .Let's all give him a big bow.
Your statement is unkind and reflects an aggressive attitude. Very un Buddhist an attitude. Unlike Soygal, he was never called to account by the Dalai Lama.
Realization of this is so far beyond our ordinary way of thinking that you have never thought of it, heard of it, or conceived of it! It's not about you at all, its completely not you. You is a straightjacket, a pair of too tight, uncomfortable, dirty, disgusting, distasteful, limiting conceptual jeans you have to wear to work in the garden. Jeans you have to escape thru crystal clear pure morality and samadhi. So the question is not whether Rimpoche's words 'resonate' with you, the question is whether you are resonating with him. The laughter marks those who don't have a clue. Waking up means you have studied well enough, meditated well enough, developed samadhi deeply enough yourself that you suddenly, instinctively wake up as his words cause all the spokes to fall into place, WHAM! Something completely unknown and unheard of cannot resonate with you, unless you are on the same wavelength through study and practice. Be precise, stand back and continually reassess the teaching as your understanding grows. Adjust yourself to Rimpoche's wavelength without hesitation. Let go of your first understanding and welcome the changing landscape as your understanding unfolds. The lotus blooms, the ax falls, the tsukubai thumps! Ah! The crystal land opens. Go! Freedom from the conceptual mind that limits us so horribly into terrible mistakes. Seeing this suffering could make you weep forever.
There's only APPARENT Suffering due to false identification with the subjective bodies...gross subtle mental..and getting caught up in objective creation with the phenomenal world of duality of forms...and only during the waking state of Consciousness of 16 hours a day... MEHER BABA...Don't worry be happy 🥰
Kama Krishna How unoriginal. What a boring distasteful reply to such wonderful poetry. I notice that this seems to be your approach. You copy and paste this all over the place like a stamp of your own mind. Transcend your mind and you may be capable of enjoying the beautiful poetry of the person you replied to with your absolute garbage cult words.
He didn't need to overcome alcoholism. Wisdom like that works how it works. Furthermore, if a tree stump had something wise to say, it'd be a good idea to listen.
Thou Art That idiot...he didn't need help lol. He was sent to the west by his gurus to help all the wanderers there and lost and tortured souls. He couldn't stand it there, and the job was so painstaking and mindnumbingly boring that he had to drink a lot.
Thou Art That I can understand your question. It is logical but it is based on the assumption that enlightenment is connected with religious ideas (particularly Middle Eastern religious ideas) of saintliness and being concerned with orderliness. Such saints are super citizens. Everybody wants them on their side and on their team. It seems that enlightened beings are nothing like "saints". Their identity is a product of the circumstances in which they find themselves. So is your identity and mine but they know it. Enlightenment doesn't mean we win the game. We become high achievers. We are great to be around. Enlightenment is direct awareness of what is. Awareness of things as they are. That is all. Make any sense to you?
the way I see it enlightenment is not really something anyone not enlightened can understand. If you are fortunate enough to meet or be near an enlightened person and are drawn to them they can give you instructions to get you on the right path and if you listen to them and follow their instructions you may be pleased with the results. Thats my idea of it at least from my studies of Tibetan Buddhism(which is highly guru/lama centric) Quite different from the older school of buddhism which hand down very straightforward logical sutras, but then Tibetan Lamas seem really quite different from regular monks, on a really different level of being it often seems. Not saying one is superior because there is no superior, but they are a different species with different paths associated with them. And that doesn't always make sense to someone who has never met a Tibetan, or thinks they know what it means when anyone in the world says Buddhism just because they took a buddhism 101 course in college, or even read one of the early texts commonly referred to. The word Buddhism, like Christianity, Judaism etc. has come to mean a very wide range of things depending on who is using it. hahah
I know what he is hinting at and I know he knows it, but by no means is he communicating it here. If you're sitting in that Shambala audiance thinking your getting it just by being a paying participant in this nothingness bullshit, think again. You are going to have to dig much deeper than this to know what mind is doing. The guru is dead, find your own way to parinirvana.
***** Why thank you Sarah, and what a brave warrior you are for commenting. Perhaps I should have said the Guru is dead, find your way to parinirvana, instead of find your own way. To make it a more personal open invitation to embrace one’s own emptiness beyond the BS emptiness talk.
Christopher Dillon - BS emptiness talk..? If it’s indeed BS, and things are NOT empty of independent existence, then you are taking on the whole buddhist worldview. Would you assert that there is actually an independent ”you” and and independent, objective world out there that you inhabit? No interdependence?
I attended one of his talks in London - it would have been '75 or '76 - my memory is that he was impressive and a brilliant figure. Unfortunately, he later turned to drink, got involved with a woman, and I think it went a bit downhill from there. Even in this talk, such words as bullshit, et,c have no place in a dharma talk - sorry! One of the steps on the Eightfold Path is Right Speech . . .
+Ian Oliver No downhull involved. Everything he did was compassionate and wise. He did have a bad car accident which left him in great pain till he died.
If you believe a word such as "bullshit" has no place to be spoken in a dharma talk, then you are making a judgment on somebody else. Therefore wouldn't you also be implicating yourself by making unnecessary judgments? Can you control what he said? Nope. So why the impulse to criticize? The reality is he said what he said and he said it honestly in the moment. That is the simple truth.
Trungpa has changed my life. I love it!
Amazing talk and a useful companion to Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche's book Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism. Sparks of awake-ness and clarity revealed by through his words, delivered with humor and joy. Insightful. Thank you Shambhala Archives!
this guy doesn't beat around the bush at all. love this
such mazing energy, character, will and true power. a bright light in the darkness.
An Extremely Wonderful Teaching. Thank you.
An incredible human being. Truly beautiful in so many ways.
Amazing bodhisattva. For the liberation of all sentient beings.
so simple, so deep, an enjoyable journey with a true guru.
what are the challenges and difficulties on the spiritual path for you?
that foreign germ..ie theism.haha..try canada sheep incarnations as example. Of work and god an
And crown ..thank you dear trungpa la..arab spring..and volcanic eruptions tsunamis
Bring it on
2o22 buzzword now WOKE
most if the USA foggy people he spoke to needed comedy to blow their minds to oblivion. b4. they could thknk
sadly genius can either work in two ways make u gain unfathomable wisdom and enlightenment or make u crazy this man had the experience of living in these two worlds and just being human and being at least honest about it and not running away from his downfalls. he was open about his struggles and was real. We are all human and falter but his wisdom remains
Honest, he was. Troubled, he wasn't.
He tackled the wild stallion mind of the American culture..and was a terma treasure holder of the karma kagyu family of great Masters.. he was a tulku..using all means to wake up the buddha in you
@@randygoff2563 what a ridiculous thing to assume. Alcoholism = troubled. Jezzzzz! You can find lots of honesty in AA.
@@williamcallahan5218 when you were with him did he seem drunk?
May all beings benefit
This teaching really helped me further and more deeply understand emptiness. Thank you, sir. I appreciate this. 🙏
Such a loving master with unpredictable profound mind, wisdom and power 🙏🙏🙏 "Nothing happens, but everything is there at the same time." Smile with holding a piece of flower while teaching. He is buddha and buddha is precisely and basically everywhere... since your heart
We don't like our world. Because we are full of heart, acceptance.... Rinpoche, so honest...I am awake 🙏🙏🙏
Beyond Good and Evil - Milarepa
"Comprehending beyond Good and Evil
Opens the Way to perfect Skill.
Experiencing the dissolution of Duality,
You embrace the highest View.
Quotes from Master of the Kagyu Lineage.
How Brave .. how outrageons.. Thank you always Chogyi
I just finished reading 'The Mahasiddha and His Idiot Servant". What an amazing master!
Honor y gloria a este venerable Maestro Tibetano-Canadiense. Gratitud infinita por sus sabias enseñanzas plasmadas en sus conferencias y sus libros.
can't believe a Tibetan having that kindda mastery of English!
Some decades ago , not now , when there was no colour picture
感恩仁波切慈悲開示🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Would love to have this on Spotify or other audio providers. Stuff so good!
Timeless wisdom
Ian - He was (is) a MahaSiddha.
so amazing
Very inspiring. Thank you.
Yes, total sense!
Thank you.
I have had the honor of being a student under several Gurus including from the Vajrayana tradition and a Zen roshi. They were all incredibly helpful. I have seen many Western students project their own religious heritages onto Buddhist and Yogic teachers and unfortunately it prevented them from receiving the full benefits of the teachings. Meditation Masters are more like shamans than ministers, priests, rabbis, etc. I think this is a problem that goes unrecognized and has done much damage to dharma in the west.
agree yes i do
if students know what vows tib damshig ..they have taken. they would not be babies indefinitely waitng for a guru to drag their corpses to liberation.. lazy students get discouraged .give up samaye ..and hide in denial.. be that as it may..dharma is the only truth worth the struggle .isnit it?
This is the reality of Dharma in the West. Many times people want to hold onto the known and say that they are RIGHT rather than joyful, loving or compassionate.
NewCultureofPeace&Love…..Now!🙏
It's fear, moreso than a problem
What a treasure!
Sorry. Love the guy ... he could talk the talk but stumbled when he tried to walk the walk. In the end I now see that he did not fail the sangha. The sangha failed him.
🌷🌸🌺💐🌻🏵️🌹❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
you are fucking awesome, I LOVE YOU!
Love hearing him speak.
After spirituell Materialism we do conflict detouring ...
They say ( I could also quote a book) that Chogyam Trungpa did come from the same Wisdom School as Gurdjeff. Actually, they did teach very similar Doctrines by using very similar methods.
quote the book!
'They' would be wrong then.
It was aliens
How very ironic that he himself suicided by long-term alcohol abuse. I love him and his pathos and his grief. A complex and lovable soul, he has my eternal goodwill.
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
His teachings were profound, he didnt withold anything. The deepest teachings he gave to westerners, sure that they could listen and understand. Now that his behaviour, his drunken escapades are history, we can listen to the words rather than be distracted by the fog and miasma that they generated.
His cocaine use, torture of animals, beatings of humans were not profound. This man was a twisted freak, and caused so much harm it's unbelievable that anyone would bother to listen to him.
"'Tis wiser to ask forgiveness than permission."
- Diamond Heart Mother Sutra
See Tulku Urgyen for clarity.
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He was trying to say " pain in the ass but he couldn't"!..
:)
My favorite drunken teachers, cutting straight through the bullshit, are Trungpa Rinpoche and Doug Stanhope.
doug might be better.
Nah
Manfrog Adi da?
I am fortunate to be of or from no lineage, say,... accident & body health & Grace of being Human & neuroplasticity have taught me a lot, as well as listening to many different experiences of “aging”, “community”, “learning”,... ... re: Marilyn’s comments, I largely agree with them, as the relative “outsider” I am,... ... I write here now, sparked by Marilyn’s note, but also by what maybe moves her to share them & what/who she shares being witness & participant with in/by her life & practice,... ... ... “Meditation Masters” are just you & she & me, who practice Human, being,...including some sitting, as well as work, play & doing, & including everything anyone ‘woke’ (as described here maybe) survives, is able or ‘disabled’ to do/be, is paying attention & aware to feel & live, do, be, while we age & don’t die,... ... ... it might “look” very different, such “economy” or “planning”, “investment”, “care giving for aging is a work which might require fewer jobs”, & “social safety net”, or it might “look” like things today,... ... but fewer real people will act or feel as “false”,... & fewer will live out the fear of it,...
Yamantaka
Are y'all able to stay present while reading? I can sometimes, but more often than not, symbols do not help me; being outside in nature is when it's easiest.
Pluto in Virgo
Venus in Uranus?
Click!
Click boom
so i just bought a t shirt from GTs kumbucha that is all Wlack with Bhite font that reads: "ENLIGHTENED." on the chest.
should i not wear it? Fuck. It was like 30 bucks.
Wear it only if you don't keep thinking about enlightenment...and maybe wear it when you go see a real teacher.
@Annie charpentier just remember if anyone asks you "what is enlightenment?" while wearing your shirt make sure to tell them "Enlightenment is absence of bullish*t"
Wear it to a new age workshop featuring one of those enlightened teachers. You could offer it to them, as donation
if one wants to see emptiness in action, one only needs to read this comment section! 😆
lol very funny Tubby >:-(
Even a student should know that it is impossible to explain experiences like emptiness in words. A master also struggles with trying to make it comprehendable let alone experienc-able. So why get caught up in what words he used and in what resonated with you or didn’t? Isn’t it the experience of in this case Emptiness that we are looking for in the space that the words are not occupying (in addition to the space that they are occupying) ?
I guess it’s just that much easier to bitch about someone’s choice of words or style of expression than sit in vipashyana meditation trying to realize emptiness :)
There's only APPARENT Suffering due to false identification with the subjective bodies...gross subtle mental..and getting caught up in objective creation with the phenomenal world of duality of forms...and only during the waking state of Consciousness of 16 hours a day...
MEHER BABA...Don't worry be happy 🥰
@@meherbaba4397The only way out if suffering is Buddhahood. Otherwise, it is real as the conditions in the six realms of samsara.
i feel like he could say It...
if Reagan could say It, CT can say It.
I don't know what he is talking about but I'm awake already. When I go to sleep I'm asleep when I wake up in the mornign I'm awake and so on...
1.61803398875 Be cautious friend, we are tested, for the universe is listening! 😉
1.61803398875 - He is talking about waking into realizing the true nature of reality.
One can be physically awake but full of thoughts and emotions, false concepts and fantasies. From this point, all of life, waking and sleeping, can be seen as a dream world. You may think you are a student, an engineer, a father, whatever... Is it your essential nature? No. This is dreaming, a drama that arose, is playing out and which will end. Just as a body of memory and identity emerges when we open our eyes and arise in the morning, and our sleeping body is filled with this waking body, so our essential nature can emerge into the dream-world of our lives, when we create the right conditions for it (non-aggression, meditation - the "eightfold path"). This is the awakening he is talking about.
There's only APPARENT Suffering due to false identification with the subjective bodies...gross subtle mental..and getting caught up in objective creation with the phenomenal world of duality of forms...and only during the waking state of Consciousness of 16 hours a day...
MEHER BABA...Don't worry be happy 🥰
@@BeyondSideshow There is nothing to realize the mind cannot see mind like an eye cannot see its self. If you use mind to study reality you won't understand mind nor reality if you don't use mind you'll understand both.
HE represents both sides of DUALITY...
GOD Get Over Duality...in the waking state of Consciousness
Every ISSC individualized soul SELF Consciousness is playing their role as per their prarbhdha Sanskaras...
Our goal is to UNLEARN our evolutionary Sanskaric Ignorance through the teachings and our own experiences and REALIZE our SELF ...the Real I SELF. ..rather than getting entangled with our eps..ego personality selves. ..which exists only during the waking state. ..
There's only APPARENT SUFFERING due to false identification with the subjective bodies...gross subtle mental..and getting caught up in objective creation with the phenomenal world of duality of forms...and only during the waking state of Consciousness of 16 hours a day...
WE are in a WAKING DREAM from which we haven't woken up or AWAKENED as compared to our sleeping dream from which we wake up. Period. What a "god"...game of duality. ..nothing more...nothing less...just be a POW Pure Observer Witness. ..not a "prisoner of war" with our 'thinking mind ego'
MEHER BABA...Don't worry be happy 🥰
LMAO! What utter bollocks.
He stole that slogan from Bobby McFerrin...
แปลไม่ออกคะ อยากทราบทุกเรื่องเกี่ยวกับ สุญญตา🙏
Trungpa wasnt a clerk of dharma...
madnesssuitable for westeners.
U t t e r. B i I g e
His ideas, interpretation of Hinayana idea of Shunyata is bullshit though. They aren't nihilist. They definitely wouldn't be sitting there drunk on their asses though while delivering a Buddha teaching. haha The Hinayanans are not with out bodhicitta either. Trungpa definitely was a bodhisattva who dropped into a hell realm Had to be a drunk end up drinking himself to death in order to attract people in the same situation. .Let's all give him a big bow.
Your statement is unkind and reflects an aggressive attitude. Very un Buddhist an attitude. Unlike Soygal, he was never called to account by the Dalai Lama.
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Realization of this is so far beyond our ordinary way of thinking that you have never thought of it, heard of it, or conceived of it! It's not about you at all, its completely not you. You is a straightjacket, a pair of too tight, uncomfortable, dirty, disgusting, distasteful, limiting conceptual jeans you have to wear to work in the garden. Jeans you have to escape thru crystal clear pure morality and samadhi. So the question is not whether Rimpoche's words 'resonate' with you, the question is whether you are resonating with him. The laughter marks those who don't have a clue. Waking up means you have studied well enough, meditated well enough, developed samadhi deeply enough yourself that you suddenly, instinctively wake up as his words cause all the spokes to fall into place, WHAM! Something completely unknown and unheard of cannot resonate with you, unless you are on the same wavelength through study and practice. Be precise, stand back and continually reassess the teaching as your understanding grows. Adjust yourself to Rimpoche's wavelength without hesitation. Let go of your first understanding and welcome the changing landscape as your understanding unfolds. The lotus blooms, the ax falls, the tsukubai thumps! Ah! The crystal land opens. Go! Freedom from the conceptual mind that limits us so horribly into terrible mistakes. Seeing this suffering could make you weep forever.
There's only APPARENT Suffering due to false identification with the subjective bodies...gross subtle mental..and getting caught up in objective creation with the phenomenal world of duality of forms...and only during the waking state of Consciousness of 16 hours a day...
MEHER BABA...Don't worry be happy 🥰
Kama Krishna How unoriginal. What a boring distasteful reply to such wonderful poetry. I notice that this seems to be your approach. You copy and paste this all over the place like a stamp of your own mind. Transcend your mind and you may be capable of enjoying the beautiful poetry of the person you replied to with your absolute garbage cult words.
Not quite, but not bad, at least compared to some here.
i can't help but have a problem with his teachings, when they couldn't help him overcome alcoholism?
He didn't need to overcome alcoholism. Wisdom like that works how it works. Furthermore, if a tree stump had something wise to say, it'd be a good idea to listen.
Thou Art That idiot...he didn't need help lol. He was sent to the west by his gurus to help all the wanderers there and lost and tortured souls. He couldn't stand it there, and the job was so painstaking and mindnumbingly boring that he had to drink a lot.
Thou Art That I can understand your question. It is logical but it is based on the assumption that enlightenment is connected with religious ideas (particularly Middle Eastern religious ideas) of saintliness and being concerned with orderliness. Such saints are super citizens. Everybody wants them on their side and on their team. It seems that enlightened beings are nothing like "saints". Their identity is a product of the circumstances in which they find themselves. So is your identity and mine but they know it. Enlightenment doesn't mean we win the game. We become high achievers. We are great to be around. Enlightenment is direct awareness of what is. Awareness of things as they are. That is all. Make any sense to you?
the way I see it enlightenment is not really something anyone not enlightened can understand. If you are fortunate enough to meet or be near an enlightened person and are drawn to them they can give you instructions to get you on the right path and if you listen to them and follow their instructions you may be pleased with the results. Thats my idea of it at least from my studies of Tibetan Buddhism(which is highly guru/lama centric) Quite different from the older school of buddhism which hand down very straightforward logical sutras, but then Tibetan Lamas seem really quite different from regular monks, on a really different level of being it often seems. Not saying one is superior because there is no superior, but they are a different species with different paths associated with them. And that doesn't always make sense to someone who has never met a Tibetan, or thinks they know what it means when anyone in the world says Buddhism just because they took a buddhism 101 course in college, or even read one of the early texts commonly referred to. The word Buddhism, like Christianity, Judaism etc. has come to mean a very wide range of things depending on who is using it. hahah
kamupadana > to alchohol
I know what he is hinting at and I know he knows it, but by no means is he communicating it here. If you're sitting in that Shambala audiance thinking your getting it just by being a paying participant in this nothingness bullshit, think again. You are going to have to dig much deeper than this to know what mind is doing. The guru is dead, find your own way to parinirvana.
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Why thank you Sarah, and what a brave warrior you are for commenting. Perhaps I should have said the Guru is dead, find your way to parinirvana, instead of find your own way. To make it a more personal open invitation to embrace one’s own emptiness beyond the BS emptiness talk.
+Jeffrey Baughman The brick wall can be what wakes you?
Even great Buddhas like Milarepa acknowledged their Gurus as the one’s who illuminated the path to their Nirvava.
Christopher Dillon - BS emptiness talk..? If it’s indeed BS, and things are NOT empty of independent existence, then you are taking on the whole buddhist worldview.
Would you assert that there is actually an independent ”you” and and independent, objective world out there that you inhabit? No interdependence?
Hate to burst your bubble but you really don't understand. Nice try though.
I attended one of his talks in London - it would have been '75 or '76 - my memory is that he was impressive and a brilliant figure. Unfortunately, he later turned to drink, got involved with a woman, and I think it went a bit downhill from there. Even in this talk, such words as bullshit, et,c have no place in a dharma talk - sorry! One of the steps on the Eightfold Path is Right Speech . . .
+Ian Oliver No downhull involved. Everything he did was compassionate and wise. He did have a bad car accident which left him in great pain till he died.
+Ian Oliver you are mistaken in your view. You are speaking like Theravada is the only view. Well the views of all nine vehicles lead to Ati.
+Shradhaji Satya he's talking to op.
Right speech indeed (in Theravada) - not ”politically correct language”
If you believe a word such as "bullshit" has no place to be spoken in a dharma talk, then you are making a judgment on somebody else. Therefore wouldn't you also be implicating yourself by making unnecessary judgments? Can you control what he said? Nope. So why the impulse to criticize? The reality is he said what he said and he said it honestly in the moment. That is the simple truth.
Completely recycled Buddhist, hilarious!
I've just wasted half hour of my life listening to this drunken waffle !
strake750 - Didn’t understand what he was saying then?
BeyondSideshow he tuned in on wrong frequency. Couldn’t connect
Great, at least you weren't out being a complete prick for once. Trungpa did you a great favour.
@@TenzinDorjee Still, it’s too late; after half an hour, the seed is planted. Some day: 🌳