Four Reliances.” (1) Don’t rely on the person, rely on the teaching. (2) Don’t rely on the words, rely on the meaning. (3) Don’t rely on the provisional meaning, rely on the definitive, ultimate meaning. (4) Don’t rely on conceptual mind, but rely on wisdom.
This talk took place in a meadow in the Rocky Mountains in a tent near Red Feather Lakes Colorado. It was the occassion of the first seminary conducted on land belonging to Shambhala International rather than a rented site. This represents the fulfillment of a wish that Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche had worked on for a good portion of his life. PRECIOUS BEYOND WORDS> such a profound opportunity for you all to be in the tent here with the rest of us. Last full seminary of Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche
When I was 7 years old, I began to lucid dream and I stopped sleep walking. It was in 1987. I think it's because my Sensei had begun teaching us meditation, and my older brother was assisting me with meditation before sleep. This fellow seems so familiar to me.
As this was the seminary I attended I can say that for me, the words of the teacher was one aspect of the teaching. His immeasurable presence of kindness and the way he moves with such gentleness were also teaching us. He captured all our perceptions. We meet the buddha. Oh! How fortunate we are!
Marjolaine Robert It’s an example of what not to do - precepts state no alcohol. He knew yet led a poor example for students - there is a responsibility as a teacher. Can anyone imagine all the monasteries being run by drunken abbots? Unfortunately, he shows us our own choices, and died young when ppl and students still wud be appreciative of his teachings... It is a quandary really he chose this path.
@@mirror9553 Thank you for responding, and sharing...🙏💖 I would say I understand.... and feel somewhat shamed at my own limitations. When you said you felt anger, I actually expected it to read ‘I felt wholly compassionate’.... and then I realised that is more appropriate for me to share - why would we discern who we feel compassion for?? How can we be only thankful for teachings of holy truths and transmissions, and then adopt an arrogant attitude of judgement! I agree with your mention on anger - a gross and uncomfortable emotion with little use. You inspire me to be grateful, beyond grateful, for his efforts, work, and contribution in toto. Om Mani Padme Hung. With thanks,
If I could have that clarity of mind on saki, I'll go for it. This is nothing to do with alcohol, addiction and the rest. A beautiful transmission at the highest level. Mind to mind. Thank you. The blind just see the glass and the robes. Don't watch, listen and you will see who this Rinpoche is.
I began training with Chogyam Trungpa in 1981. I've never figured him out. My connection isn't a matter of choice. For those of you bothered by his drinking (sake), I suggest you listen to the video without watching it. There's a level of clarity that is separate from his drinking. Also, the energy of those meetings is not communicated here.
Sandra my teacher is Reggie Ray, and he once said to us, "Don't even try to understand Trungpa Rimpoche". I guess the reasoning behind his actions can only be understood at or about the level of wisdom from which they were created. Thanks for your own clarity
Sandra Pontius you shouldn't justify anything... As He, the great Chogyam Trungpa is indispensable... Let the morons be as they ignorantly be! Don't put any level on this great master 🙏
@@Trip_mania if you don´t like cults you should first turn your anger against the catholic church with its millions of followers! about master chögyam trungpa there are many misunderstandings, mostly in the west. there is nothing to figure out about him because there is no person anymore, just pure brilliant emptiness ... .
Accept things as they are. Addiction is a destructive force. Clear as day. I listen to his teachings from 1970s because he was clear then, I can get what I need from that era. Just because a person is addicted doesn't preclude them from love and basic respect. Rest well warrior.
I love this teacher. I recently suffered the same in as Trungpa ,left sided paralysis from a car accident. The chronic pain is 24/7. Nobody ever acknowledges that he is likely in a lot of pain from this serous injury. It would drive even the toughest to drink. Sorry you did not get better help with physical pain Trungpa. Its amazing what he did give of himself with a spinal cord injury and no meds.Incredible.🙂🙂
I have told people repeatedly from the very beginning that he was in a tremendous amount of pain all the time and that that was the reason for drinking ( If he was drinking!) and the drugs. I drank from his glass once. Supposedly it was straight Vodka. I found it to be straight water! But I do not think you could have "drunk from his "cup"." You have to be very qualified to do that.
He was the only Rinpochhe who put his heart and soul to lay the basic foundation of Buddhism in the west by giving up monastic vows to live amongst the westerners, to deeply understand the western way of thoughts and to explain Buddha’s wisdom in the most chewable manner possible! For that, I believe Westerners today and those who in those days, had the opportunity to experience his teachings personally, owe a lot to him. But then there are some of us who doesn’t have the merit to see him as a great master but only think about his drinking and other unconventional way of living that we feel are not in line with the tradition of ‘normal’ spiritual masters we are more familiar with !
This is the very first teaching i saw and he truly touched my heart from which compassion poured out. I briefly saw a documentary on his life and we need to consider what he went through. Fled from tibet under extreme hardships, entering the western society and culture, while leaving back his destroyed monastery.i feel he is holding a mirror.
But he was so compassionate: he took on himself all the ignorance, the lust, the hatred, the pain of his disciples until he was burnt. He followed his disciple down to the bottom of Hell : nevertheless, something remained clear and pure within him.
Been avoiding his teachings for years but ive learned from duncan trussel, ram dass, david nichtern, and other people that studied under him cause i heard of bad stuff... i saw his picture for the first time and it freaked me out how crazy the feeling was. I wake up the next day still thinking about the picture and the feeling is even crazier... so i look him up at night because i cannot stop thibking about his face... then i see he has the same birthday as me... march 5th... You wouldnt believe how i ended up listening to his students either... his actions have altered my life before i even met him... Scary how connected i feel to him by how he "forced his way into my life"... So much shit led me to this weird man that has the same birthday as me
Even we are not in the stage of physical comfort and well ness of pictures world, we keep our right motivation of thought n consciousness for enlightenment n faith, devotion to Buddha dharma. I bow to you rinpoche..... May ur body, mind and speech prevail the light to the deepest darkness of thought of each being.. Love, respect, appreciation to you,,, Your Holiness...
He seems to be focused like a laser on that glass, yet the volume of sake/15-22% alcohol (or vodka/30-60%) doesn't seem to change until towards the end. Maybe it's an enigmatic trick to keep people watching him. They might think they're missing his words, but they're not really. Also, people might contemplate his actions long after the Satsang is over, which is what he wants.
Trungpa seems to demonstrate with his actions some key point of what he is talking about. He is much of an actor or showman. As if he has read the mind of those around him and is both speaking and showing the deepest thing he could communicate to that particular audience at that time. If you are trying to figure out Trungpa Rinpoche maybe consider this feature. Usually, it seems, that if you more deeply consider what is said and done, the actual message could mean much more than what you might understand at first glance. This quality is what makes him so enigmatic, and his explanations something unique still to this day. This is also why I think he intended for us to listen to his talks, and watch his videos, and wrote only one book. As the first Modern Tibetan Buddhist teacher, his medium of communication were the modern technologies of recording and video. Lets face it, most Buddhist teachers have no entertainment value for the modern western audience.
Lots of people wonder how he was able to speak being so drunk. Well, the unfortunate truth is that he was doing a lot of cocaine, which he kept hidden from most except for a few in the inner circle. So keep in mind, when watching his videos and reading comments of people praising this man, keep in might that his drinking and drug habits not only harmed himself, they harmed his family and many other people, some of whom suffer to this day. In the end, he was just human, and was suffering because he could not handle the world, but this was made complicated because his job was to be a sort of 'life philosopher'. So he drank and took drugs to hide from it all. I hope he has found peace in the astral.
wow you're just the ultimate gossipy "insider"! You have no idea who was harmed and who was helped and neither do they. See Robert Frost The Road Not Taken and anyway it's just basic Buddhism 101 to understand what "free will" might mean or not and what Karma is or is not and to wonder if there is a difference between standing on one side of the street or the other. Imagination is all we have and when we lose that to linear "science" thinking we have nothing to live by. Jump off the cliff or go back to unitarian universalist church which can teach you to respect everyone and humble your smart self,. Boom! Everything that I have at one time or other perceived as negatives in my life have transformed to be my greatest teachers and comforts. That's called growth. That's called transformation. Vajrayana is all about TRANSFORMATION. Not fairy stories of good and evil and "sociologists" reports about what harms and what helps. I guess sociology is a dead science now but you get my drift. YOU just DO NOT know, not even for yourself, let alone for others. ANd suffering is a choice, by the way. Third Noble Truth. Let's remember our ABC's here.
the sake never seems to decrease as he is drinking it,maybe by his looking at it it increases,anyway i think he is a magnificent mirror ,Thank you Rimpoche
coming down to the level of drug cultured sentient beings just to be one of us to show us the buddha way ()()() In tibetan language it is called thabla khepa - being creative
.. mis hermanos en el Dharma ..., sois las valiosas joyas que voy encontrando..., en el sendero del camino..., hacia el abandono del sufrimiento de samsara..., y por el beneficio de tod@s l@s seres del ciclo de existencias podamos tod@s alcanzar la iluminacion..., Gampopa 1043-1153
Most people that we worship can't overcome some aspect of their life. And even if they did, they would find something to bash. Drunk or not, he preached things that could make someone question themselves, and didn't preach violence, or teach dogmatic thinking to cling to one thing. He preached to go above your false self. Why does everyone go to the rose garden and look at the thorns.
This is a lesson in addiction. Even a realized master can be taken down by addiction. I saw him in 1974 and he was drinking a lot then. Eleven years later and he can barely speak. He can't take his mind off the alcohol or his hand off the glass. I'm so grateful I saw the truth and didn't do more than read his great books. Obviously written before his downfall.
Thanks for this comment! Have a couple of his books at home but been wondering if he was really authentic and had really any sorts of realization. Specially the abuse allegations kind of have me thinking if they were true. His teaching seemed to be full of elegance and beauty.
@@ratinhoembondeiro646 yes he was authentic. Trungpa’s books are brilliant translations of Tibetan Buddhist teachings that are expressed specifically in ways that Western students can most easily access the understanding and timeless truth at the root of the words. Definitely read his books. There are no perfect teachers. Some are more perfect than others.
@@lynlavalight Yes his books are brilliant. The way he translates Buddhism is pretty creative, uplifting and pragmatic. Human dignity seems to underline his teaching.
From what I understand, he was always corrupt in terms of violating the precepts. Alcohol may have aggravated this, that is why it's elevated to the level of the other 4 precepts when it appears less harmful on the surface.
The buddha himself was taken down by lust in one of his previous lifes as a king's retinue. he had purified his mind and master the way to walk on air as if walking on earth, water and fire. One day he paid a visit to his king, and by a stroke of fate as he was decending from the air to the king's chamber he didn't find the king but the beautiful queen, naked in her glorious alluring feminine form. the former life of the buddha locked eye with the queen and they both serve each other's lusts. I watched chogyam trungpa's talk with jiddhu krishnamurti on meditation and I can say with confidence he's a meditation master with significant accomplishment. And in another occasion I watched his talk on how to meditate and his tip on focusing especially on the outbreath had a very big impact on my own meditation practice. The dhamma as in prajnaparamita (condensed).. amala ... avimala...neither pure nor impure... with significant emphasis on the impure part.
If being human was an obstacle to enlightenment, we would all be pretty screwed. Nice to see an adult guru. Where I grew up no one liked (or trusted) people who didn't engage with life. Fighting, drinking, sex, drugs, rock n roll these are all the things adults do. I not only want but EXPECT my teacher to have done them and be completely unconcerned whether you do them or not, not because it is enlightened, but, because it is basic adult behaviour. The primary school rules, don't swear, don't fart people can also have their own guru, where people get offended by the slightest negative feeling.
@@JudeMalachi He didn't like rock and rock, but he loved the lifestyle, which included cocaine, alcohol, money and sex -- and not to mention 7 wives -- and that path of carelessness is his legacy. But he did outdo the typical rock star.
@@coillockspiral That reminds me of a nice german joke: Some interviewer visited an old, wise guy and asked him the question, how he got into this "state of bliss". His answer: "Don´t drink, don´t have sex, NO women, NO drugs, NO greed for the almighty $, NO fast cars; j u s t m e d i t a t e." The interviewer finally asks: "And THAT was worth it " ?
I have to come out of retirement on my posting. My grandfather, a musician and choir director, said that if he could live his life over he would never have abused alcohol. This is a pathetic display of a lack of compassion for others in that his alcohol abuse confuses the spiritual lives of the auditors. Trungpa's behavior shows that he perceives that he is psychologically separate from others in that he does not understand the interpersonal psychological effects he has on others. Someone like this can only take us so far and we can go farther.
Very sad. I visited Samye Ling in southern Scotland which he founded - this would be around 1974 - he had left five years earlier. It was here I discovered Tibetan Buddhism. Throughout the following years, I had great respect for him. But then I came across this video about ten years ago and it saddens me to see what was once a great Buddhist teacher drunk, pissed, and can hardly talk properly. I wonder where he is today - still drinking?
To all folks irritated by his state of drunkenness: There is a nice story of HAN SHAN cominout of the mountains to his monk friend in a monastery. And why yes, these guys liked booze / moonshine / wine very VERY much (maybe it is the chill over there !)
There's a phrase from the Bible, about " treasures in vessels of clay" which sums up Trungpa. At one level he seems a fucked up drunk; at another he manifests a clarity despite this which is seldom manifested in people who are stone cold sober. A paradox. Go figure!
He's just a human. Great teachers, master meditators are still only human, and not necessarily enlightened. He was not above attachment. I doubt he wouldve chosen the harm the alcohol did to his body had he been full seeing all the time.
Though technically the Trungpas are greats of Zurmang. But with his teachers Kongtrul, Gangshar and Dilgo Khyentse, Trungpa XI counts as one of ours, proudly!
The opening credits have the date wrong. It could not have been June, 1985 because this seminary did not begin until July of that year.
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Thank you for uploading this. Very interesting. --------------------- Serious question: Does he look hung over? Or maybe on a morning after a coke binge? Statistically, he probably was both. Perhaps that explains his slow speak and lack of aliveness, rather than him being spiritual and enlightened. I am sure meditation and his intense intelligence allowed him to hide his hungover and coke aftermath state better. What do you think?
He typically drank first thing in the morning -- huge amounts -- and continued throughout the day. When he would have a talk or gathering, he used cocaine to make himself somewhat coherent.
i think it's none of your business, thanks for asking. not sure what is so "serious" about gossiping about strangers, but if you say so . . .good luck. Ugh "Very interesting" stated to set up your mockery of sincerity with "serious question". This is why people like to work from home.
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@@garypuckettmuse I think there is room for opinions about it. The appropriateness of his degree of drug use given his position and the complaints about his behavior does, to me, make it significant for the community to know. But I respect if you think otherwise.
No, many different teachers have different styles. For example, Ramana Maharshi taught by speaking very little or not at all, only answering questions from pupils after sitting for long periods of time. Alan Watts did his teachings in even more of a lecture format with poetic delivery. Osho is known for being more explicitly comedic than most spiritual teachers, using obscenities and curse words often in order to point to spiritual truth. Ram Dass liked to include kirtan or musical chanting with his teachings. etc....
+Kieran Wilson except not by nisargadatta maharaj who acknowledged him as a great being. In fact I know of no teacher who has doubted his realization, his personal flaws aside!
I am a devotee of Adi Da Samraj and once again I can only say that one must follow ones heart in relation to spiritual masters. I have been listening to (on amazon audio) OSHO a lot lately and I must say he is a brilliant sage. He would probably be what Adi Da referred to as a sixth stage realise. As for this chap we are watching I must conclude also that of he touches your heart in a deep way then listen to him. If he offends then listen even more.
He might have some levels of realization, but USA proves too much of temptation, booze, drugs, sex, he was an addict. A lot addicts are really smart and brilliant like that.
The fifth Buddhist precept is the refraining from intoxicating substances, e.g. drugs or drink. Sorry to see Rinpoche drunk like this . . . feel very sorry for the guy!!
First you judge by thinking you are cleverly throwing his own book -- chapter and verse just to really be who you are -- at him (whiich just shows yo9u don't get it -- the rules are for YOU -- NOT FOR YOU TO ENFORCE ON OTHERS PAL) then you have the unmitigated gall to be such a lost soul as to express PITY for a being who is so far beyond anything you can even glimpse in a dream? He doesn't need your pity at all. I spit on your fake , holier-than-thou, condescending pity. Sorry. So sorry. Very sorry. So sorry to see you like this.
He was a known alcoholic. That beverage he was drinking was more than likely "Gin". I was shocked to see how often he was taking sips out of it and starring at it during his talk.
Well, nice of you to defend him but, be honest, it was 80% of it was incomprehensible and, you are probably accurate that at least the other 20% of my attention was occupied with "why are they showing this to the public anyway?" I just started listening to his talks today and spent four hours enrapt and amazed. Then this. Unfortunate light to show him in. In spite of his demons and frailties being well documented it's kind of disrespectful to put this on youtube. An inch from crawling around on the bar floor looking for the car keys.
Right up there with the legendary Zen greats and he's even wearing their costume which I love -- right up there with the best of the Dadaists, the Surrealists and the cultural and religious gangsters throughout time and all over this earth -- the magicians, the troubadors the tellers of 101 Nights' Tales -- AND YOU, obviously.
One wonders why Shambhala International would choose to randomly cut out certain passages of a dharma talk and thus kill its logic. This is actually a violation of Trungpa Rinpoche's legacy, but alas! only one of so many...
Conman are hard to figure out - masters of deceit and manipulation. Here’s a lost soul masquerading as a guru and deceiving/bedazzling the gullible. Brilliant, indeed.
Little wonder that AA had so many clients among his students....Still, there are glimpses of what had been a wonderful mind, by this time wasted by alcoholism.
whoa! a buddhist teacher "attached" to alchol... a little absurbd. Like a vegetarian eating meat and believing to be a good example of vegetarianism :) ... e people admiring him. what the F...k
Which is weirder -- that he is wearing a Japanese Zen Monk costume or that Shambala posted a video of him so drunk that he cannot string two words together or hold his head up? I find that rather disrespectful. I realize he was drunk all the time but I've watched many of his videos which are boozy around the edges but so coherent, poetic and in mastery of his immense language skills. This is just unnecessary for people to relive.
cck was he not also quite ill at the time? Also, surely all aspects and incidents of his life should be relived, as to tell the whole story of who he was, judgment aside?
"Surely all aspects and incidents of his life should be relived to tell the whole story of who he was." When you start a sentence with "Surely" that means "Period." And if you think you have some sort of right to have this mess "relived" for you by the magic of video, gawk on. Obviously Shambala agrees with you. Are there any videos of him vomiting up the alcohol they could post? Just so I get the "whole story"?
cck as I'm not American....the word 'period' has a very exclusive meaning here in the UK....but way to nitpick at semantics. Have you ever considered your own bitter perspective of his behaviour is yours alone?
cck 'gawk on'...your choice of words betrays a lot about your attitude towards this video....nothing to do with mine...but I'm sure you won't realise that. No one is forcing you to be here, either.
People just don't get it, either you get it or you don't, keep your eyes on the Dharma not the medium and maybe you might see the Dharma even in all the bullshit, it's serious business but it's not all that serious after all 🙃😕
Check his glass. After the cut, it has more booze in it. I guess they didn't want to show him refilling it. Too bad, they could have made some money for product placement. Or, the booze maker did not agree to pay for the product placement, so they cut it out.
wow you must be a marketing major in college. You really thought that one through. Alternative: during the breaks people went to the washroom, made phone calls, got drinks and resettled. It looks like there is a huge glass flask on the table so he probably could have helped himself EXCEPT THAT HE ONLY HAS ONE WORKING ARM. Suggesting this was being hidden from the cameras but not from the live audience because a "booze" maker refused to pay a placement fee is really making you look like you went to NYU or something, haha. Maybe I'll see you in a black te shirt on a "bros podcast" talking about being a milionaire before 30 or something. I'll be looking for you . . .
Really ? Thats interesting. I always thought that "Eckie" must have collected all his speechings/books from somewhere. Norhing comes from nothing . . .
Perfect example of how charisma is being made. Just hear the talk first, and the read the comments. There is no substance at all in his words, he just babbles mainly nonsense, sometimes loses track of what he has said. Yeah, prajna is open mind, the buddha talking in your brain, bla bla. And now read the comments. Its all projection, attribution of charisma. Not different from the the Osho crowd. Makes me sad.
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Four Reliances.”
(1) Don’t rely on the person, rely on the teaching.
(2) Don’t rely on the words, rely on the meaning.
(3) Don’t rely on the provisional meaning, rely on the definitive, ultimate meaning.
(4) Don’t rely on conceptual mind, but rely on wisdom.
Thanks for clarity.
But know what you know before you surrender.
Ok, so how many people did he infect with his 'teaching'?
Who can even understand you? Thank you.
I didn't know and I lost everything before I attained realization
This talk took place in a meadow in the Rocky Mountains in a tent near Red Feather Lakes Colorado. It was the occassion of the first seminary conducted on land belonging to Shambhala International rather than a rented site. This represents the fulfillment of a wish that Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche had worked on for a good portion of his life.
PRECIOUS BEYOND WORDS> such a profound opportunity for you all to be in the tent here with the rest of us. Last full seminary of Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche
When I was 7 years old, I began to lucid dream and I stopped sleep walking. It was in 1987. I think it's because my Sensei had begun teaching us meditation, and my older brother was assisting me with meditation before sleep. This fellow seems so familiar to me.
As this was the seminary I attended I can say that for me, the words of the teacher was one aspect of the teaching. His immeasurable presence of kindness and the way he moves with such gentleness were also teaching us. He captured all our perceptions. We meet the buddha. Oh! How fortunate we are!
Marjolaine Robert It’s an example of what not to do - precepts state no alcohol. He knew yet led a poor example for students - there is a responsibility as a teacher. Can anyone imagine all the monasteries being run by drunken abbots? Unfortunately, he shows us our own choices, and died young when ppl and students still wud be appreciative of his teachings... It is a quandary really he chose this path.
@@mirror9553 Thank you for responding, and sharing...🙏💖 I would say I understand.... and feel somewhat shamed at my own limitations. When you said you felt anger, I actually expected it to read ‘I felt wholly compassionate’.... and then I realised that is more appropriate for me to share - why would we discern who we feel compassion for?? How can we be only thankful for teachings of holy truths and transmissions, and then adopt an arrogant attitude of judgement! I agree with your mention on anger - a gross and uncomfortable emotion with little use. You inspire me to be grateful, beyond grateful, for his efforts, work, and contribution in toto. Om Mani Padme Hung. With thanks,
Mirror thanks for sharing that.
@@mirror9553 thank you Mirror
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If I could have that clarity of mind on saki, I'll go for it. This is nothing to do with alcohol, addiction and the rest. A beautiful transmission at the highest level. Mind to mind. Thank you. The blind just see the glass and the robes. Don't watch, listen and you will see who this Rinpoche is.
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I began training with Chogyam Trungpa in 1981. I've never figured him out. My connection isn't a matter of choice. For those of you bothered by his drinking (sake), I suggest you listen to the video without watching it. There's a level of clarity that is separate from his drinking. Also, the energy of those meetings is not communicated here.
Sandra my teacher is Reggie Ray, and he once said to us, "Don't even try to understand Trungpa Rimpoche". I guess the reasoning behind his actions can only be understood at or about the level of wisdom from which they were created. Thanks for your own clarity
Thanks Scott.
Yes, that's called charisma. That's what you need to create a cult. It helps you get away with anything and have all your devotees rationalize it.
Sandra Pontius you shouldn't justify anything... As He, the great Chogyam Trungpa is indispensable... Let the morons be as they ignorantly be!
Don't put any level on this great master 🙏
@@Trip_mania if you don´t like cults you should first turn your anger against the catholic church with its millions of followers!
about master chögyam trungpa there are many misunderstandings, mostly in the west.
there is nothing to figure out about him because there is no person anymore, just pure brilliant emptiness ... .
Accept things as they are. Addiction is a destructive force. Clear as day. I listen to his teachings from 1970s because he was clear then, I can get what I need from that era. Just because a person is addicted doesn't preclude them from love and basic respect. Rest well warrior.
I love this teacher. I recently suffered the same in as Trungpa ,left sided paralysis from a car accident. The chronic pain is 24/7. Nobody ever acknowledges that he is likely in a lot of pain from this serous injury. It would drive even the toughest to drink. Sorry you did not get better help with physical pain Trungpa. Its amazing what he did give of himself with a spinal cord injury and no meds.Incredible.🙂🙂
They failed to leave that bit of detail out
I have told people repeatedly from the very beginning that he was in a tremendous amount of pain all the time and that that was the reason for drinking ( If he was drinking!) and the drugs. I drank from his glass once. Supposedly it was straight Vodka. I found it to be straight water! But I do not think you could have "drunk from his "cup"." You have to be very qualified to do that.
He was the only Rinpochhe who put his heart and soul to lay the basic foundation of Buddhism in the west by giving up monastic vows to live amongst the westerners, to deeply understand the western way of thoughts and to explain Buddha’s wisdom in the most chewable manner possible! For that, I believe Westerners today and those who in those days, had the opportunity to experience his teachings personally, owe a lot to him. But then there are some of us who doesn’t have the merit to see him as a great master but only think about his drinking and other unconventional way of living that we feel are not in line with the tradition of ‘normal’ spiritual masters we are more familiar with !
This is the very first teaching i saw and he truly touched my heart from which compassion poured out. I briefly saw a documentary on his life and we need to consider what he went through. Fled from tibet under extreme hardships, entering the western society and culture, while leaving back his destroyed monastery.i feel he is holding a mirror.
But he was so compassionate: he took on himself all the ignorance, the lust, the hatred, the pain of his disciples until he was burnt. He followed his disciple down to the bottom of Hell : nevertheless, something remained clear and pure within him.
That is such an interesting way of looking at him- I also remember a Ram Dass talk- where he speaks of Trungpa in this way-
Thats such nonsense
You can either heed his teaching or your own commentary; it's your goal and you decide which better serves your aspirations
Been avoiding his teachings for years but ive learned from duncan trussel, ram dass, david nichtern, and other people that studied under him cause i heard of bad stuff... i saw his picture for the first time and it freaked me out how crazy the feeling was. I wake up the next day still thinking about the picture and the feeling is even crazier... so i look him up at night because i cannot stop thibking about his face... then i see he has the same birthday as me... march 5th...
You wouldnt believe how i ended up listening to his students either... his actions have altered my life before i even met him...
Scary how connected i feel to him by how he "forced his way into my life"...
So much shit led me to this weird man that has the same birthday as me
I can’t help but laugh every time he reaches for the glass. Yet he does it so mindfully. What is this sorcery?
I’m mesmerized by that glass of water ! 18 minutes of drinking still not halfed 😆
Thank you so much for sharing this precious gem.
Even we are not in the stage of physical comfort and well ness of pictures world, we keep our right motivation of thought n consciousness for enlightenment n faith, devotion to Buddha dharma. I bow to you rinpoche..... May ur body, mind and speech prevail the light to the deepest darkness of thought of each being.. Love, respect, appreciation to you,,, Your Holiness...
I think if people actually listened, studied and PRACTICED the dharma, they really wouldn't have too much opinion about most things.
Form is emptiness, emptiness is form ❤
That’s a good opinion 😆
But still good point I see what you mean
He seems to be focused like a laser on that glass, yet the volume of sake/15-22% alcohol (or vodka/30-60%) doesn't seem to change until towards the end. Maybe it's an enigmatic trick to keep people watching him. They might think they're missing his words, but they're not really. Also, people might contemplate his actions long after the Satsang is over, which is what he wants.
A Tibetan Buddhist dressed in Zen robes, teaching whilst wasted on Saki. My sort of pure realm!
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This is the real deal at its finest. For the liberation of all sentient beings 🙏
Om Namu Guru Rinpoche Dai-Osho! Gate Gate Parasamgate Bodhi Svaha!
Couldn't be more perfect.
Whatever you are looking at ,you are looking at your own mind!
Trungpa seems to demonstrate with his actions some key point of what he is talking about. He is much of an actor or showman. As if he has read the mind of those around him and is both speaking and showing the deepest thing he could communicate to that particular audience at that time. If you are trying to figure out Trungpa Rinpoche maybe consider this feature. Usually, it seems, that if you more deeply consider what is said and done, the actual message could mean much more than what you might understand at first glance. This quality is what makes him so enigmatic, and his explanations something unique still to this day. This is also why I think he intended for us to listen to his talks, and watch his videos, and wrote only one book. As the first Modern Tibetan Buddhist teacher, his medium of communication were the modern technologies of recording and video. Lets face it, most Buddhist teachers have no entertainment value for the modern western audience.
Mi Querido y Gran maestro.... Su mente pristina es un rayo de Luz entre tanta ignorancia. Gracias por haber existido!
Lots of people wonder how he was able to speak being so drunk. Well, the unfortunate truth is that he was doing a lot of cocaine, which he kept hidden from most except for a few in the inner circle. So keep in mind, when watching his videos and reading comments of people praising this man, keep in might that his drinking and drug habits not only harmed himself, they harmed his family and many other people, some of whom suffer to this day. In the end, he was just human, and was suffering because he could not handle the world, but this was made complicated because his job was to be a sort of 'life philosopher'. So he drank and took drugs to hide from it all. I hope he has found peace in the astral.
The cocaine story is, I’m.afraid, is untrue. You see in this mirror only what is in your own mind. Lama Trungpa Dorje Chang là namo!
wow you're just the ultimate gossipy "insider"! You have no idea who was harmed and who was helped and neither do they. See Robert Frost The Road Not Taken and anyway it's just basic Buddhism 101 to understand what "free will" might mean or not and what Karma is or is not and to wonder if there is a difference between standing on one side of the street or the other. Imagination is all we have and when we lose that to linear "science" thinking we have nothing to live by. Jump off the cliff or go back to unitarian universalist church which can teach you to respect everyone and humble your smart self,. Boom! Everything that I have at one time or other perceived as negatives in my life have transformed to be my greatest teachers and comforts. That's called growth. That's called transformation. Vajrayana is all about TRANSFORMATION. Not fairy stories of good and evil and "sociologists" reports about what harms and what helps. I guess sociology is a dead science now but you get my drift. YOU just DO NOT know, not even for yourself, let alone for others. ANd suffering is a choice, by the way. Third Noble Truth. Let's remember our ABC's here.
He is amazing. Thumbs up
the sake never seems to decrease as he is drinking it,maybe by his looking at it it increases,anyway i think he is a magnificent mirror ,Thank you Rimpoche
coming down to the level of drug cultured sentient beings just to be one of us to show us the buddha way ()()() In tibetan language it is called thabla khepa - being creative
.. mis hermanos en el Dharma ..., sois las valiosas joyas que voy encontrando..., en el sendero del camino..., hacia el abandono del sufrimiento de samsara..., y por el beneficio de tod@s l@s seres del ciclo de existencias podamos tod@s alcanzar la iluminacion..., Gampopa 1043-1153
Most people that we worship can't overcome some aspect of their life. And even if they did, they would find something to bash. Drunk or not, he preached things that could make someone question themselves, and didn't preach violence, or teach dogmatic thinking to cling to one thing. He preached to go above your false self. Why does everyone go to the rose garden and look at the thorns.
This is a lesson in addiction. Even a realized master can be taken down by addiction. I saw him in 1974 and he was drinking a lot then. Eleven years later and he can barely speak. He can't take his mind off the alcohol or his hand off the glass. I'm so grateful I saw the truth and didn't do more than read his great books. Obviously written before his downfall.
Thanks for this comment! Have a couple of his books at home but been wondering if he was really authentic and had really any sorts of realization. Specially the abuse allegations kind of have me thinking if they were true. His teaching seemed to be full of elegance and beauty.
@@ratinhoembondeiro646 yes he was authentic. Trungpa’s books are brilliant translations of Tibetan Buddhist teachings that are expressed specifically in ways that Western students can most easily access the understanding and timeless truth at the root of the words. Definitely read his books.
There are no perfect teachers. Some are more perfect than others.
@@lynlavalight Yes his books are brilliant. The way he translates Buddhism is pretty creative, uplifting and pragmatic. Human dignity seems to underline his teaching.
From what I understand, he was always corrupt in terms of violating the precepts. Alcohol may have aggravated this, that is why it's elevated to the level of the other 4 precepts when it appears less harmful on the surface.
The buddha himself was taken down by lust in one of his previous lifes as a king's retinue. he had purified his mind and master the way to walk on air as if walking on earth, water and fire. One day he paid a visit to his king, and by a stroke of fate as he was decending from the air to the king's chamber he didn't find the king but the beautiful queen, naked in her glorious alluring feminine form. the former life of the buddha locked eye with the queen and they both serve each other's lusts. I watched chogyam trungpa's talk with jiddhu krishnamurti on meditation and I can say with confidence he's a meditation master with significant accomplishment. And in another occasion I watched his talk on how to meditate and his tip on focusing especially on the outbreath had a very big impact on my own meditation practice. The dhamma as in prajnaparamita (condensed).. amala ... avimala...neither pure nor impure... with significant emphasis on the impure part.
I find this quite sad.
If being human was an obstacle to enlightenment, we would all be pretty screwed.
Nice to see an adult guru.
Where I grew up no one liked (or trusted) people who didn't engage with life.
Fighting, drinking, sex, drugs, rock n roll these are all the things adults do.
I not only want but EXPECT my teacher to have done them and be completely unconcerned whether you do them or not, not because it is enlightened, but, because it is basic adult behaviour.
The primary school rules, don't swear, don't fart people can also have their own guru, where people get offended by the slightest negative feeling.
@@JudeMalachi He didn't like rock and rock, but he loved the lifestyle, which included cocaine, alcohol, money and sex -- and not to mention 7 wives -- and that path of carelessness is his legacy. But he did outdo the typical rock star.
@@coillockspiral That reminds me of a nice german joke: Some interviewer visited an old, wise guy and asked him the question, how he got into this "state of bliss".
His answer: "Don´t drink, don´t have sex, NO women, NO drugs, NO greed for the almighty $, NO fast cars;
j u s t m e d i t a t e." The interviewer finally asks: "And THAT was worth it " ?
Teacher can only be criticized if you achieve the level of that teacher
Oh! incredible drunken master!
I offer you my crown and all ,
I bow down to you;
Bless me to become just as you.
The last minute made me laugh so much. Love
Chaaagtsalo..Lama khyenno🙏🙏🙏😪😿
He was apparently very ill at the time. Bear that in mind.
My baba was never ill
If by ill you mean drunk ..
You would smile even at his silence!
so sad to witness the influence of addiction :(
What I've come to learn about judgmental people is that they usually don't have ALL of the facts
I didn't understand what does He mean by Buddha is big to be put in pigeon hole. Can someone explain it to me please.
I remember Virupa, and my heart begins to break. Trungpa Rinpoche la namo
...i'm sure that is NOT water :D
I have to come out of retirement on my posting. My grandfather, a musician and choir director, said that if he could live his life over he would never have abused alcohol. This is a pathetic display of a lack of compassion for others in that his alcohol abuse confuses the spiritual lives of the auditors. Trungpa's behavior shows that he perceives that he is psychologically separate from others in that he does not understand the interpersonal psychological effects he has on others. Someone like this can only take us so far and we can go farther.
Very sad. I visited Samye Ling in southern Scotland which he founded - this would be around 1974 - he had left five years earlier. It was here I discovered Tibetan Buddhism. Throughout the following years, I had great respect for him. But then I came across this video about ten years ago and it saddens me to see what was once a great Buddhist teacher drunk, pissed, and can hardly talk properly. I wonder where he is today - still drinking?
Ummm…… didn’t he die like 30 years ago?
To all folks irritated by his state of drunkenness:
There is a nice story of HAN SHAN cominout of the mountains to his monk friend in a monastery. And why yes, these guys liked booze / moonshine / wine very VERY much (maybe it is the chill over there !)
Why don't you tell the story, my friend? Entertain us
Amazing 🙏
There's a phrase from the Bible, about " treasures in vessels of clay" which sums up Trungpa. At one level he seems a fucked up drunk; at another he manifests a clarity despite this which is seldom manifested in people who are stone cold sober. A paradox. Go figure!
10 years ago i up down he was really different and healthy what happened to him?
if you know ? it may concern me ,
it doesn't concern you.
Nothing Romantic about Saki! Sneaks up on you, relative or absolute. "Pain never goes, you will Never be happy" - CTR
Totally hammered !! All he's actually thinking of is that Raki in his glass!!
Totally hammered and still clearer than you or I will ever be, Simon lol...
+Scott Rennie 😝
He's just a human. Great teachers, master meditators are still only human, and not necessarily enlightened. He was not above attachment. I doubt he wouldve chosen the harm the alcohol did to his body had he been full seeing all the time.
He is beyond attachment or non attachment
Por favor seria genial poder tener subtitulado en español.
Profound.
I agree...
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The opening credits have the date wrong. It couldn't possibly have been June 22nd because that seminary did not begin until July.
How do I find more of his talks? Youtuve has limited and incomplete videos of his talks
Please help me.
I wonder if Ekhart Tolle has watched any of these?
he non stop watching his glasse scare the wodka gone
Fuck you...,😂
Good joke
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I love it! Buddha talks in my brain too, thanks to CTR and other greats of Zechen.
Though technically the Trungpas are greats of Zurmang. But with his teachers Kongtrul, Gangshar and Dilgo Khyentse, Trungpa XI counts as one of ours, proudly!
The last minute was fucking hilarious.
The opening credits have the date wrong. It could not have been June, 1985 because this seminary did not begin until July of that year.
Thank you for uploading this. Very interesting.
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Serious question: Does he look hung over? Or maybe on a morning after a coke binge? Statistically, he probably was both. Perhaps that explains his slow speak and lack of aliveness, rather than him being spiritual and enlightened. I am sure meditation and his intense intelligence allowed him to hide his hungover and coke aftermath state better. What do you think?
He typically drank first thing in the morning -- huge amounts -- and continued throughout the day. When he would have a talk or gathering, he used cocaine to make himself somewhat coherent.
i think it's none of your business, thanks for asking. not sure what is so "serious" about gossiping about strangers, but if you say so . . .good luck. Ugh "Very interesting" stated to set up your mockery of sincerity with "serious question". This is why people like to work from home.
@@garypuckettmuse I think there is room for opinions about it. The appropriateness of his degree of drug use given his position and the complaints about his behavior does, to me, make it significant for the community to know. But I respect if you think otherwise.
tell u what I couldn't talk about dharma if I was drunk and coked out lmao.. jay guruji
☸️☸️☸️☸️☸️☸️☸️☸️💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎🪷🪷🪷🪷🪷🪷🪷🪷Om mani padme hum
hahah this reminded me of eckhart tolle. Are all spiritual teachers like this?
No, many different teachers have different styles. For example, Ramana Maharshi taught by speaking very little or not at all, only answering questions from pupils after sitting for long periods of time. Alan Watts did his teachings in even more of a lecture format with poetic delivery. Osho is known for being more explicitly comedic than most spiritual teachers, using obscenities and curse words often in order to point to spiritual truth. Ram Dass liked to include kirtan or musical chanting with his teachings. etc....
alright, that's cool. I'm going to check Osho out :).
+Kieran Wilson except not by nisargadatta maharaj who acknowledged him as a great being. In fact I know of no teacher who has doubted his realization, his personal flaws aside!
I am a devotee of Adi Da Samraj and once again I can only say that one must follow ones heart in relation to spiritual masters. I have been listening to (on amazon audio) OSHO a lot lately and I must say he is a brilliant sage. He would probably be what Adi Da referred to as a sixth stage realise. As for this chap we are watching I must conclude also that of he touches your heart in a deep way then listen to him. If he offends then listen even more.
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He might have some levels of realization, but USA proves too much of temptation, booze, drugs, sex, he was an addict. A lot addicts are really smart and brilliant like that.
What was cut out?
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So admirable that he's drunk here. And also that he died of it. Note how cute the audience really does think this is.
I do not feel Trungpa as fully enlightened : that is extremely rare, a fully awaken person cannot stay too long in this world.
He did didn’t even make it to 50.. what are you talking abt?!🤣🤣🤣
He wasn't enlightened. He might have been a master mediator but that doesn't mean you are enlightened.
I should ask talking in your brain or mind... Or mind nature ate neurons? Which a dead desintagrate... Now mind is the brain or is beyond...?
The fifth Buddhist precept is the refraining from intoxicating substances, e.g. drugs or drink. Sorry to see Rinpoche drunk like this . . . feel very sorry for the guy!!
Buddhism is more than its laws.
Two girls approached Milirepa and said, "Oh I hope we never become like this sad fellow!" Milirepa replied, "Don't worry. You won't."
First you judge by thinking you are cleverly throwing his own book -- chapter and verse just to really be who you are -- at him (whiich just shows yo9u don't get it -- the rules are for YOU -- NOT FOR YOU TO ENFORCE ON OTHERS PAL) then you have the unmitigated gall to be such a lost soul as to express PITY for a being who is so far beyond anything you can even glimpse in a dream? He doesn't need your pity at all. I spit on your fake , holier-than-thou, condescending pity. Sorry. So sorry. Very sorry. So sorry to see you like this.
was he drunk?
He was a known alcoholic. That beverage he was drinking was more than likely "Gin". I was shocked to see how often he was taking sips out of it and starring at it during his talk.
misha magik Yes..very sad....a terrible affliction.
Were you able to tame your mind and at some point listen to what he was saying....and comprehend it?
Well, nice of you to defend him but, be honest, it was 80% of it was incomprehensible and, you are probably accurate that at least the other 20% of my attention was occupied with "why are they showing this to the public anyway?" I just started listening to his talks today and spent four hours enrapt and amazed. Then this.
Unfortunate light to show him in. In spite of his demons and frailties being well documented it's kind of disrespectful to put this on youtube. An inch from crawling around on the bar floor looking for the car keys.
He was mostly glancing at his notes. He has a piece of paper there with the main points of discussion.
this guy is the best cosmic joker i've ever heard.
Right up there with the legendary Zen greats and he's even wearing their costume which I love -- right up there with the best of the Dadaists, the Surrealists and the cultural and religious gangsters throughout time and all over this earth -- the magicians, the troubadors the tellers of 101 Nights' Tales -- AND YOU, obviously.
All of the students in his Austin dharmadatu center drank sake daily - and a lot of it - plus serious fried chicken
why is he wearing a rakusu?
That glass seemed to be like a magnet to his consciousness: vodka and lemon, gin and tonic, Bacardi and soda, whisky and lime?😋!!
No, sake. Just sake. Basic sake. Fundamentally unprocessed pure sake.
awareness leaks out through the pigeon holes
One wonders why Shambhala International would choose to randomly cut out certain passages of a dharma talk and thus kill its logic. This is actually a violation of Trungpa Rinpoche's legacy, but alas! only one of so many...
Conman are hard to figure out - masters of deceit and manipulation. Here’s a lost soul masquerading as a guru and deceiving/bedazzling the gullible. Brilliant, indeed.
Bummer dude.
Lost a great lama to western life style. Sad......
Perhaps one could benefit from the numerous empty spaces between his words rather than his words. But perhaps on the other hand, it's all empty.
Little wonder that AA had so many clients among his students....Still, there are glimpses of what had been a wonderful mind, by this time wasted by alcoholism.
Nonsense.
Lama Kheno !!!
With high regards!
name them.
whoa!
a buddhist teacher "attached" to alchol... a little absurbd.
Like a vegetarian eating meat and believing to be a good example of vegetarianism :) ... e people admiring him. what the F...k
He was also addicted to cocaine. Married 7 women. Tortured animals. Bit people. So yes, this whole thing is absurd.
Which is weirder -- that he is wearing a Japanese Zen Monk costume or that Shambala posted a video of him so drunk that he cannot string two words together or hold his head up? I find that rather disrespectful. I realize he was drunk all the time but I've watched many of his videos which are boozy around the edges but so coherent, poetic and in mastery of his immense language skills. This is just unnecessary for people to relive.
cck was he not also quite ill at the time? Also, surely all aspects and incidents of his life should be relived, as to tell the whole story of who he was, judgment aside?
"Surely all aspects and incidents of his life should be relived to tell the whole story of who he was." When you start a sentence with "Surely" that means "Period." And if you think you have some sort of right to have this mess "relived" for you by the magic of video, gawk on. Obviously Shambala agrees with you. Are there any videos of him vomiting up the alcohol they could post? Just so I get the "whole story"?
cck as I'm not American....the word 'period' has a very exclusive meaning here in the UK....but way to nitpick at semantics. Have you ever considered your own bitter perspective of his behaviour is yours alone?
Gawk on, Madame! No one's stopping you. Enjoy!
cck 'gawk on'...your choice of words betrays a lot about your attitude towards this video....nothing to do with mine...but I'm sure you won't realise that. No one is forcing you to be here, either.
People just don't get it, either you get it or you don't, keep your eyes on the Dharma not the medium and maybe you might see the Dharma even in all the bullshit, it's serious business but it's not all that serious after all 🙃😕
Check his glass. After the cut, it has more booze in it. I guess they didn't want to show him refilling it. Too bad, they could have made some money for product placement. Or, the booze maker did not agree to pay for the product placement, so they cut it out.
wow you must be a marketing major in college. You really thought that one through. Alternative: during the breaks people went to the washroom, made phone calls, got drinks and resettled. It looks like there is a huge glass flask on the table so he probably could have helped himself EXCEPT THAT HE ONLY HAS ONE WORKING ARM. Suggesting this was being hidden from the cameras but not from the live audience because a "booze" maker refused to pay a placement fee is really making you look like you went to NYU or something, haha. Maybe I'll see you in a black te shirt on a "bros podcast" talking about being a milionaire before 30 or something. I'll be looking for you . . .
Stop vilifying or deifying him. What a conundrum! The worst teacher and the best teacher right before your eyes.
it's probably some medicine or some shit he designed himself. he just drinks with huge awareness
Buddha talking in your Brain...It might happen to you.
So we don't have to put Buddha in a pigeon hole. Maybe he's too big.
He had deep insecurity issue. He doesnt believe what he is saying apparently.
The perfect lesson in attachmemt
Ekharte tolle copied his way of speaking
Really ? Thats interesting. I always thought that "Eckie" must have collected all his speechings/books from somewhere. Norhing comes from nothing . . .
How that possible for alcohol and meditation go together? the brain is already been banged by the alcohol. He must be especial to do that.
I bibeer
Perfect example of how charisma is being made. Just hear the talk first, and the read the comments. There is no substance at all in his words, he just babbles mainly nonsense, sometimes loses track of what he has said. Yeah, prajna is open mind, the buddha talking in your brain, bla bla. And now read the comments. Its all projection, attribution of charisma. Not different from the the Osho crowd. Makes me sad.