Picked up my Navi about a month ago and already at 1000 miles. Use it for DoorDashing in my small town and it’s perfect, the price was a bit excessive from all the dealer fees OTD I paid $3,700 but practically already paid it self off with how much I save on gas now 👌🏼
Wow they sure did stick it too you ! Man I hate when they do that to someone! Your seeing these on market place with less than 300 miles for $2200 and people are selling them for way less, I bought mine here in Missouri a couple days ago with 90 miles on it fir $1600
I paid $2400 for my navi out the door! Now I have a lot of dealers near me ripping people off with fake fees but I found a Honda dealer 2 hours away they gave me a honest, fair price. Honda charges $300 for shipping the rest was dealer fee and taxes. If you buy a navi make sure you shop around, my first price was $1200 more than what I finally paid.
My Navi was $2628 including shipping it in from another dealer 300 miles away because I wanted the color shown in the video. Financed with $0 down, $91/mo. for 36 months. I'm getting about 80mpg in stop and go traffic, top end is 50mph. Best bike I ever had, and I've had plenty. My insurance is $221/yr. I doubt that eBike is allowed on the roads I'm traveling and I doubt it will ever go as fast. I keep a small can of gas in my luggage compartment for emergencies. Honda has done it again!
Decent comparison but he paid too much for that Navi. The dealer fleeced him. They typically go for around $2,400 OTD. ($1,800 + $300 in freight & surcharge + $200 Sales Tax + $150 registration +/- Negotiation) And that is the problem with buying vehicles at dealerships. It isn't pleasant and the chances are high of getting ripped off when you are inexperienced vehicle buyer.
I own both a scooter and an e-bike. All I know is when the scooter runs out of gas I just fill 'er up, but when my e-bike runs out of juice; I have to go home. The scooter is the clear winner, I didn't use to have to point out the obvious but these days you never know.
@@uwotmetemette6333 Right, and it costs power to charge and power is not free. Also you only get so many charges from the battery before they fail and require replacing. Nothing like buying a $3,000 Prius battery!
he compared a motorcycle to an ebicycle, he should have compared a talaria or surron to this navi for it to be fair since both go faster than a navi and are better in every way, unless you enjoy paying more for gas and oil
Getting a Navi soon and I’m hyped son! I used to have a 7 mile each way commute on a road bike. Never had an e-bike but for the price, even though there are a couple more steps, I do think the minimoto route is going to open many more doors. I love how e-bikes exist but for daily life in the city not needing to charge and keep track of a battery is going to be a huge bonus. Cheap gas cost to fill up is another bonus. It’s almost hilarious how people’s brains break when you inform them how little you pay to fill up. The Honda Ruckus (what I’ve been riding and what got me interested in Honda minimotos)is a good option for people that are interested in either an e-bike or minimoto and already have a driver’s license but don’t wanna mess with getting a motorcycle license. I still need to get my motorcycle license. Wish me luck! I’m sure it’ll be a breeze😎
Ebikes are great for shorter commutes and riding around the neighborhood and being able to ride on a sidewalk if needed. If commuting across town without being able to ride on the freeway definitely the Navi would be the way to go.$3000+ otd for the Navi is way to much though.If it’s $1800 we shouldn’t have to pay more than $2300 otd.
A Honda 50 dirt bike/CRF50 is over $3,000 in our area due to additional fees. A PCX 150 is close to $6,000, so this is a pretty good bargain considering. Sure, you can order a Chinese scooter for $1,400 and be unsure it will make two years or pay upfront and get one of these with proven technology that's been on the shelf for decades.
I just got my Navi today. Don't sleep on the fork lock feature to lock up your wheel when you park it for the night. It's absurd that they haven't been able to figure out how to make an e-bike truly convenient in terms of range and charge. It would be so easy to get your ass stranded somewhere without juice. So you can't even venture that far. Not that you would, but you literally could drive cross country on a Navi non stop except for what amounts to two minute fuel stops. I might be stereotyping a bit too much here. But I feel like the people that buy E-Bikes are often the type of people that want to make a show of being on an E-Bike, and telling you they own and E-Bike to send the message that they think they are smarter than you, by using electric power.
This video was pretty funny Guys! Thumbs up! What happens when it rains? Does the ebike battery get shorted out?? And are the tires Tubeless so you can fix a puncture with a tire plug?
Honda and their dealers are most certainly pulling a bait and switch on both these navi's and the honda grom. Real price out the door is SUBSTANTIALLY higher than what they advertise. A grom is fun as hell but I was able to purchase a vstrom 650 with 2k miles and lots of extras for 5k used, cheaper than a grom out the door. And cheapest I see here used for a grom is 3k.
Crazy! My local dealership is charging $2450ish out the door for a new Navi. That includes any dealership/destination fees, tax, title, license, and I think a $50 charge for filling out the DMV paperwork. Sometimes it pays to live in a small town.
Not sure how much we paid for our Grom but know we got a fair price as we do good business with our Honda dealer. Getting a good trade in price for my Rebel 300.
It all comes down to preference and availability. If the city has good bike paths that you can ride bikes safely, the e bike would be a great solution especially with a tight budget. However if you require to travel just slightly farther and it's more bustling roads and less bike lanes, the Navi is definitely a way to go. Sure paying 2.5-3k is pricier, but when it comes to long term investments the Navi helps greatly when it comes to commuting. Overall great comparison video.
In the long run The Honda gets my vote ! Electric Bikes are cool but after a while .The Fun is no longer fun when charging VS. going dead and forgetting to charge it ,starts happening a little too often. The coolness of the electrics is NOT COOL!
@@Trillville43 Noob, you don't own an electric bike or something. I've owned them since 2005 ish, and currently have 3 and it's not uncommon to forget to charge or don't manage the charging well enough that it affects the day I ride it. And I'm only riding it for fun; so not needed everyday.
Several hidden pro's for the Navi. The cost of e-bikes mostly comes from the battery, which degrades over time no matter what. After 3+ years, your typical e-bike will have a resell value of about $300 tops. The Navi, being a street legal bike, will always have a healthy used market. Also, though e-bikes are simpler than the Navi, bikes and electric scooters can and will have quirks such as cheap fenders that make noise or certain screws that have to be tightened, and I'm told hub motors rarely get beyond 5k miles before service is required(magnets becoming loose, etc). But the Navi, like all good motor vehicles, will have a shop manual and the maintenance schedules are laid out simply, and any issues you might encounter can be diagnosed and fixed. I'd say the Navi and a class 3 e-bike serve difference purposes. If you need higher speed and actually plan on putting lots of miles, better to skip the e-bike(though I still want one).
you can buy a replacement 500watt bafang hub motor wheel for $300 lol. most d2c ebikes come with the weakest w/ah (48v)battery which cost $400 to replace lol. youre crazy man. plus most of these can just be repaired with replacement parts for a tiny fraction of that cost if youre too lazy to fix it urself
Just bought mine yesterday . It was 3,000 OTD in socal. I’ve seen some places charging 3500 and up for them 🤢. I hate stealerships but fuck it. Rather deal with that than get ripped off on a used one to find out it’s broken or something. Have fun riding !
@@jdoe981 In all truth it scared me, it was my first bike as a non rider at age 56. When I decided I might want to take up riding (since my husband was getting back into it after a 25 year gap, He now has a Harley and a Grom which was formerly mine but due to my shifting issues he adopted it) we went to the dealership to look at bikes, I spotted the Navi at first and asked about it. The husband and sales guy both poo pooed it because it's "basically a scooter". Looooooong story short I'm finally getting my Navi!! Now I will tell you the Rebel is very comfortable, very well respected as a very decent motorcycle and very good for keeping its value. I was able as a beginner to ride it and shift it fairly well but like I said it did scare me because for me personally I think it was just a bit too much bike...The husband was on a huge waiting list for the Rebel 1100 before he decided he wanted his Harley. They really are great bikes just not a match for me.
My Goat bike does 45 mph for 2500.00. I get 50 miles per charge ( at work). I can put it in the back of my suv. I can ride on the sidewalk, beach, trails and keep up with street traffic. No lic,reg,gas excise tax but to each his own. How often are you going to ride a 100 miles per day?
the crux of this comparison comes down to where you are riding and the laws around e-bikes and motorcycles... where I am, you are required by law to insure and wear at the very least a DOT helmet for motorcycles... so if you get hit by a car, even if it is your fault, you get a new bike and medical paid for but your insurance will go up.. where as with an e-bike.. you get nothing but a massive medical bill (again, depending on where you are). Also some places limit e-bikes even further to around 20 miles per hour by throttle only. But, depending on the E-bike you can buy extra batteries to have charged and on you to switch over, mildly (though not completely) negating distance issues... and you can also pedal to save power.
Having had both I really cant pass up the Navi. I got an Aventon Adventure (comparible to his) for $1000 second hand and put so many miles on it commuting. The range anxiety is really the only problem I had. I recntly bought a Navi for $1600 second hand (1000 miles) and I absolutley adore it. After tagging, titling, and getting insurance, it was $2000. The Navi can handle traffic so much better and the fact you can gas it up puts it ahead of ebikes for me.
talaria or surron is better tho, no need for insurance, liscence, gas, easier maintenance, plus you can go off road with them and use bike lanes/sidewalks. how much do you spend per month on gas? cause ebikes only spend a few bucks. also riding on a navi makes you look like a dork unless youre a kid or very short
Y'all are fucking hilarious, and made this debate fun to watch. I'm having this debate myself having e bikes already... I need something thats a little faster and can get me a little further. I love how i didnt know which side you two were really on most of the video, truly presenting pros and cons for each
That sounds like me. I bought an ebike, Lectric, they shipped it to my house. 1000 bucks, minimal assembly, just like any modern bicycle. Road it a little around town, POS only goes for 20 miles on a charge, and you do not want to pedal these things, they did not design them to be actually pedaled like a bicycle. They come with lights on the front and rear. Fenders and a shock absorbing front fork. Top speed 22 mph. I said, piss on that. I picked up an honda adv 150. A much superior bike than the navi. About 4700 out the door. It's a maxi scooter, 150 cc engine, fuel injection, full headlights, tail lights, brake lights, blinkers, horn, huge under seat storage, easily handles 2 people on board, gets about 70 mpg and top speed is around 63 mph. I've put 4500 miles on it last summer. I stay off of the interstate and other heavily traveled highways. Wisconsin has a lot of good paved County and town roads to explore. The bike holds 2.1 gallons of gas and if I'm on the road and running low, I'll just go to any gas station and fuel up for another carefree 150 miles. Anyone want to buy a used ebike?
E-bikes are a waaaaaay better choice for most short distance, shop-trip, college town and senior riders among others. They are less demanding physically, cheaper to operate, nearly maintenance-free, Not smelly, easier to to store, bike rackable and lots more. The NAVI is a toy motorcycle and really marketed toward the owners of bigger Cycles...regardless of what some YT reviewers have said. This is not an entry-level bike for a potential motorcyclist. If you want to get into motorcycles, get a more full-size CB300R or similar bike and learn to handle all road conditions with more "authority".
not to mention an ebike like a talaria or surron are more comparable to a motorcycle like the navi, although the talaria and surron outperform the navi in every possible objective way
Yup its a motorcycle but I consider it a mini-moto. My main selling point is its an automatic. My Honda Rebel 300 was my first bike but its too much bike for me and shifting scared the crap out of me! We are trading in my Rebel for a Navi, we pick it up this week!! 👍🏻🏍️ My son just traded in his car for an E Bike since his work is only 3 miles away.
I cannot figure out why every video about the Navi says you're not walking away paying $1807. No sh*t Every street legal motor vehicle has destination fee, title, license, insurance and tax (according to state) I get that there are sleazy dealers jacking the fees but if you go on Honda's site you can order directly and have it delivered to a listed authorized dealer. There's a $200 destination fee and a $100 surcharge over MSRP. When you pick it up tax, title...etc is added like any vehicle
besides the speed idk a good ebike is kinda the way to go no gas no tags no insurance. easy storage For the Record i do like the Navi just between storage and the monthly cost it’s not as practical for me if it reached 65mph highway speeds i would have prob gotten one. if i’m stuck on side streets Ebike for me.
Getting my Navi to cruise around with the husband while he's on our Grom (or his Harley if taking our son with us). Just nice backroads trips 45/50 mph or less.
My vote is the Navi. My concern with either one is both are easy to steal. I don't trust my fellow man. I am in Cohasset, Massachusetts and I wouldn't go to Roxbury,or Quincy and leave either one unattended
To add to that a square trade warranty will cost you less than 100 for 2 years full coverage.....I got a 3000 watt electric chopper goes 47....range 40 miles thanks to the upgraded 30ah battery and it only cost 2300 otd.....that was the number I wanted for the navi but was told 3k......tack on Insurance and getting a m1 license and that's 1k more .....I love the chopper...with that extra 1k and the savings from gas, oil changes and smog I'm gonna throw it into a down payment for the sondors ev...
I had an ebike stolen - somebody sawed through the porch railing it was cable locked to. It was registered and actually recovered from a police check stop later. Locked by a Ubolt lock to steel post after that.
A MA-er here too!! I'm going to lock mine to a pole plus have and extra wheel lock when I have to go to the shadier areas. Might even hide an apple tag thingie on it.
I bought an ebike for the city, but it's too dangerous to commute with. Homeless and drivers both have gone out of their way to harass people on bicycles on my commute route. Shopping for a Navi now
Not really a true comparison, the ebike good for short journeys and exercise, the navi better for longer, but I wouldn’t go on a highway, a truck driver would just drive over you!
what are you gonna lock your mini bike to? a bicycle rack? a sign pole? locks seem pretty pointless on a tiny bike that can be picked up and put in someones backseat
I really want to buy a Honda Navi but I don't want to pay for any fees besides the freight fee and sales tax. If I can't get around a lot of those fees from my local dealership, then I guess I will just buy an electric bike.
get a talaria or surron ebike if you want a fair comparison to a freaking motorcycle. this guy is comparing an ebicycle to a motorcycle. talaria and surron beat navi in performance in every way, plus you get the benefits of not paying for or using gas and oil and being allowed to use bike lanes and sidewalks
I as a female who is picking up my lovely red Navi this week I better dig out my pink and white helmet and padded jacket so I look a bit more feminine on my manly bike 😂 (I did have a black Rebel 300...nothing at all feminine about that bike!). My husband wouldn't let me put Stitch stickers all over it. 😭
Lols if you're from NYC they steal everything even kids bikes. We even have citi bikes/E-bikes and people keep claiming them like they own them lol. Don't matter what you ride it matters the about your location, where you store it and how you choose to store it. But love how yous spent 3k on the Navi might as well went for the grom.
4 to 5 hours with the supplied charger. You can buy a faster charger. For commuting you keep a charger at both ends and never worry about how long it takes to charge. You do pay for charging though. That charging cost adds up &, depending on location, could even reach a dollar a week;) At WOT I doubt the Navi will do better than 70-80 mpg. Still cheap for an ICE but cost comparisons to an e-bike?
@@terrycruise-zd5tw TOO TRUE. You can get a charger that allows you to choose the amperage. Then you can trickle charge when you have the time or fast charge when you don't. If you usually slow charge to 80% I don't think you'll do too much damage only fast charging occasionally & only charging to 100% to balance the cells.
@@chris135x they tried to add shit on last second and i got up and started walking out. They already saw my cash so i figured they didn't want it walking out the door and they didn't... they tried to sell me the same navi 4 months earlier at a higher price and i guess no one was biting there hooks
That cost more than the Navi and any electric bike in MS that goes over 20 mph requires the same registration/insurance and follow the same rules as a motorcycle. Nothing to be gained there!
Can't you register the Navi as a scooter below 150cc or does it have to be registered as a motorcycle? If so you don't need a m class just a scooter L class
@@brewcrewgarage I'm aware of that but most states do have a separate scooter registration over 50cc's. I was just curious if in those States would allow you to register as a scooter. Hopefully someone out there has done it
Navi had unlimited range. No e-bike will ever match it in terms of food delivery unless you only do 25 miles a day. The Hemingway is ok but that 14a battery is a joke. The Navi is not 3,000. It’s 1807 plus fees typical 2600 out the door.
Picked up my Navi about a month ago and already at 1000 miles. Use it for DoorDashing in my small town and it’s perfect, the price was a bit excessive from all the dealer fees OTD I paid $3,700 but practically already paid it self off with how much I save on gas now 👌🏼
Nice! $3,700 to much. I got quote for $2,700 OTD.
@@iMotoTactic00L i got 2700 plus 10 percent for fees taxes and such then they wanna do 3200 nah either 3k or i walk they sold after a while
2800 otd for me
Wow they sure did stick it too you ! Man I hate when they do that to someone! Your seeing these on market place with less than 300 miles for $2200 and people are selling them for way less, I bought mine here in Missouri a couple days ago with 90 miles on it fir $1600
Mine i got for 3,000 in april
Im now at 1500 miles. I want to use door dash but my phone cant handle it so i do uber eats. But they dont pay shit
I paid $2400 for my navi out the door! Now I have a lot of dealers near me ripping people off with fake fees but I found a Honda dealer 2 hours away they gave me a honest, fair price. Honda charges $300 for shipping the rest was dealer fee and taxes. If you buy a navi make sure you shop around, my first price was $1200 more than what I finally paid.
My Navi was $2628 including shipping it in from another dealer 300 miles away because I wanted the color shown in the video. Financed with $0 down, $91/mo. for 36 months. I'm getting about 80mpg in stop and go traffic, top end is 50mph. Best bike I ever had, and I've had plenty. My insurance is $221/yr. I doubt that eBike is allowed on the roads I'm traveling and I doubt it will ever go as fast. I keep a small can of gas in my luggage compartment for emergencies. Honda has done it again!
That is actually VERY smart carrying around some extra gas, will get a container for that. We pick up my Navi this week! 😊👍🏻
I actually walk my Navi through the front door and park it in the living room. Takes up about as much space as a coffee table.
Mine will have a place of honor between my husband's Harley and our Grom! 👍🏻
your house must stink like gas and oil, plus the floor must be stained
Decent comparison but he paid too much for that Navi. The dealer fleeced him. They typically go for around $2,400 OTD. ($1,800 + $300 in freight & surcharge + $200 Sales Tax + $150 registration +/- Negotiation) And that is the problem with buying vehicles at dealerships. It isn't pleasant and the chances are high of getting ripped off when you are inexperienced vehicle buyer.
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I own both a scooter and an e-bike. All I know is when the scooter runs out of gas I just fill 'er up, but when my e-bike runs out of juice; I have to go home. The scooter is the clear winner, I didn't use to have to point out the obvious but these days you never know.
navi costs $4 every 80 ish miles… not expensive
@@uwotmetemette6333 Right, and it costs power to charge and power is not free. Also you only get so many charges from the battery before they fail and require replacing. Nothing like buying a $3,000 Prius battery!
the navi is not a moped. moped is a bike with motor and pedal power . the ebike is an electric moped.
he compared a motorcycle to an ebicycle, he should have compared a talaria or surron to this navi for it to be fair since both go faster than a navi and are better in every way, unless you enjoy paying more for gas and oil
Getting a Navi soon and I’m hyped son!
I used to have a 7 mile each way commute on a road bike.
Never had an e-bike but for the price, even though there are a couple more steps, I do think the minimoto route is going to open many more doors.
I love how e-bikes exist but for daily life in the city not needing to charge and keep track of a battery is going to be a huge bonus. Cheap gas cost to fill up is another bonus. It’s almost hilarious how people’s brains break when you inform them how little you pay to fill up.
The Honda Ruckus (what I’ve been riding and what got me interested in Honda minimotos)is a good option for people that are interested in either an e-bike or minimoto and already have a driver’s license but don’t wanna mess with getting a motorcycle license.
I still need to get my motorcycle license.
Wish me luck!
I’m sure it’ll be a breeze😎
Ebikes are great for shorter commutes and riding around the neighborhood and being able to ride on a sidewalk if needed. If commuting across town without being able to ride on the freeway definitely the Navi would be the way to go.$3000+ otd for the Navi is way to much though.If it’s $1800 we shouldn’t have to pay more than $2300 otd.
I paid 3k but they did the dmv paper work at least they pocketed 600 for being middle men
Also most places wanna make more than 200 for being middle men cause 1800 plus 300 fees doesnt give them a lot of room to drop it lower
$300-$400 of it is also freight charges that the dealership passed along to the buyer 😫
A Honda 50 dirt bike/CRF50 is over $3,000 in our area due to additional fees. A PCX 150 is close to $6,000, so this is a pretty good bargain considering. Sure, you can order a Chinese scooter for $1,400 and be unsure it will make two years or pay upfront and get one of these with proven technology that's been on the shelf for decades.
If I'm paying cash no way I'm paying more than 2100 OTD, I would easily walk out.
I just got my Navi today. Don't sleep on the fork lock feature to lock up your wheel when you park it for the night. It's absurd that they haven't been able to figure out how to make an e-bike truly convenient in terms of range and charge. It would be so easy to get your ass stranded somewhere without juice. So you can't even venture that far. Not that you would, but you literally could drive cross country on a Navi non stop except for what amounts to two minute fuel stops. I might be stereotyping a bit too much here. But I feel like the people that buy E-Bikes are often the type of people that want to make a show of being on an E-Bike, and telling you they own and E-Bike to send the message that they think they are smarter than you, by using electric power.
THE NAVI REQUIRES A MOTORCYCLE LICENSE. MOPEDS HAVE PEDALS AND A 49CC ENGINE. THE NAVI IS 110 CC.
Massachusettes has weird "Moped Laws"
@@brewcrewgarage doesn't change the fact that the Navi ain't no moped lol
@@MrDioish Massachusetts considers it
@@MrDioish Yep, pretty much. In NYS it's a Class A motor scooter requiring a motor cycle license and plates
I have a Navi and an e bike. They both have there place and I couldn't be happier.
I paid $2483 OTD in Missouri for the Navi. I haven't ridden my E-bike since I bought the Navi.
In Nevada, I paid $40 more but we have a combined sales tax of about 8%. It makes me happy every time I ride it just like my 2-stroke Zuma did.
This video was pretty funny Guys! Thumbs up!
What happens when it rains? Does the ebike battery get shorted out??
And are the tires Tubeless so you can fix a puncture with a tire plug?
still rather the navi
"Definitely can't pick this thing up" proceeds to pick it up 😂
Not over your head though.
Honda and their dealers are most certainly pulling a bait and switch on both these navi's and the honda grom. Real price out the door is SUBSTANTIALLY higher than what they advertise. A grom is fun as hell but I was able to purchase a vstrom 650 with 2k miles and lots of extras for 5k used, cheaper than a grom out the door. And cheapest I see here used for a grom is 3k.
It is near criminal!
Crazy! My local dealership is charging $2450ish out the door for a new Navi. That includes any dealership/destination fees, tax, title, license, and I think a $50 charge for filling out the DMV paperwork. Sometimes it pays to live in a small town.
@@grogdocr damn dude that's awesome! I live nearby LA it's like 3300+ at starting price...
Not sure how much we paid for our Grom but know we got a fair price as we do good business with our Honda dealer. Getting a good trade in price for my Rebel 300.
Navi kicked some ass
A moped has pedals like a bicycle. It’s NOT a moped !
I take the navi. It may be more expensive but it has just enough speed for me to feel comfortable with some roads.
talaria or surron go faster tho and you can ride on sidewalks on bike lanes with them too LOL
Navi for sure.
It all comes down to preference and availability. If the city has good bike paths that you can ride bikes safely, the e bike would be a great solution especially with a tight budget. However if you require to travel just slightly farther and it's more bustling roads and less bike lanes, the Navi is definitely a way to go. Sure paying 2.5-3k is pricier, but when it comes to long term investments the Navi helps greatly when it comes to commuting. Overall great comparison video.
In the long run The Honda gets my vote ! Electric Bikes are cool but after a while .The Fun is no longer fun when charging VS. going dead and forgetting to charge it ,starts happening a little too often. The coolness of the electrics is NOT COOL!
That sounds like a you problem especially when no one forgets to put gas in their car so why would you forget to charge it lol.
@@Trillville43 Noob, you don't own an electric bike or something. I've owned them since 2005 ish, and currently have 3 and it's not uncommon to forget to charge or don't manage the charging well enough that it affects the day I ride it. And I'm only riding it for fun; so not needed everyday.
@@axemanners6643 😅 I'm sorry I didn't know you were a child and I have 2 ebikes and have never forgotten to charge them.
@@Trillville43 aww did I hurt you baby?
@@axemanners6643 little Timmy please leave me alone.
I fortunately scored a used Onyx City 2 with only 600 miles for $2300 it goes 54 mph tops depending on weight.
Several hidden pro's for the Navi. The cost of e-bikes mostly comes from the battery, which degrades over time no matter what. After 3+ years, your typical e-bike will have a resell value of about $300 tops. The Navi, being a street legal bike, will always have a healthy used market. Also, though e-bikes are simpler than the Navi, bikes and electric scooters can and will have quirks such as cheap fenders that make noise or certain screws that have to be tightened, and I'm told hub motors rarely get beyond 5k miles before service is required(magnets becoming loose, etc). But the Navi, like all good motor vehicles, will have a shop manual and the maintenance schedules are laid out simply, and any issues you might encounter can be diagnosed and fixed. I'd say the Navi and a class 3 e-bike serve difference purposes. If you need higher speed and actually plan on putting lots of miles, better to skip the e-bike(though I still want one).
you can buy a replacement 500watt bafang hub motor wheel for $300 lol. most d2c ebikes come with the weakest w/ah (48v)battery which cost $400 to replace lol. youre crazy man. plus most of these can just be repaired with replacement parts for a tiny fraction of that cost if youre too lazy to fix it urself
Just bought mine yesterday . It was 3,000 OTD in socal. I’ve seen some places charging 3500 and up for them 🤢. I hate stealerships but fuck it. Rather deal with that than get ripped off on a used one to find out it’s broken or something. Have fun riding !
shouldve gotten a talaria or surron for that price, its better than navi
Navi all day!!
I bought the Navi in Red. $2700 otd..also bought the G Force ZM e bike..loads of fun on both!
Picking up my red Navi on Tuesday! (trading in my Honda Rebel 300)
@@charlottesmom what did you think of the rebel 300? I'm loving the Navi..
@@jdoe981 In all truth it scared me, it was my first bike as a non rider at age 56. When I decided I might want to take up riding (since my husband was getting back into it after a 25 year gap, He now has a Harley and a Grom which was formerly mine but due to my shifting issues he adopted it) we went to the dealership to look at bikes, I spotted the Navi at first and asked about it. The husband and sales guy both poo pooed it because it's "basically a scooter". Looooooong story short I'm finally getting my Navi!! Now I will tell you the Rebel is very comfortable, very well respected as a very decent motorcycle and very good for keeping its value. I was able as a beginner to ride it and shift it fairly well but like I said it did scare me because for me personally I think it was just a bit too much bike...The husband was on a huge waiting list for the Rebel 1100 before he decided he wanted his Harley. They really are great bikes just not a match for me.
I have a Navi and haven’t had it very long but so far I like it and I would love to also have the ebike
Interesting comparison. I actually really like this. Love the attitude you guys had in the video. Hilarious.
Is on sale at my local shops for $1500 (2023, new) before fees. Look around, many new shops are selling around $1800 nowadays.
My Goat bike does 45 mph for 2500.00. I get 50 miles per charge ( at work). I can put it in the back of my suv. I can ride on the sidewalk, beach, trails and keep up with street traffic. No lic,reg,gas excise tax but to each his own. How often are you going to ride a 100 miles per day?
the crux of this comparison comes down to where you are riding and the laws around e-bikes and motorcycles... where I am, you are required by law to insure and wear at the very least a DOT helmet for motorcycles... so if you get hit by a car, even if it is your fault, you get a new bike and medical paid for but your insurance will go up.. where as with an e-bike.. you get nothing but a massive medical bill (again, depending on where you are). Also some places limit e-bikes even further to around 20 miles per hour by throttle only. But, depending on the E-bike you can buy extra batteries to have charged and on you to switch over, mildly (though not completely) negating distance issues... and you can also pedal to save power.
“What’s does that mean for cc’s ?” 😂😂😂
Equivalent amount of power, electric to gas.
Having had both I really cant pass up the Navi. I got an Aventon Adventure (comparible to his) for $1000 second hand and put so many miles on it commuting. The range anxiety is really the only problem I had. I recntly bought a Navi for $1600 second hand (1000 miles) and I absolutley adore it. After tagging, titling, and getting insurance, it was $2000. The Navi can handle traffic so much better and the fact you can gas it up puts it ahead of ebikes for me.
talaria or surron is better tho, no need for insurance, liscence, gas, easier maintenance, plus you can go off road with them and use bike lanes/sidewalks. how much do you spend per month on gas? cause ebikes only spend a few bucks. also riding on a navi makes you look like a dork unless youre a kid or very short
We were $2200 out the door. Navi does not get 110 mpg. It get more like 90 mpg and only has a 1 gallon tank. It needs a 1.5 gallon tank.
Y'all are fucking hilarious, and made this debate fun to watch. I'm having this debate myself having e bikes already... I need something thats a little faster and can get me a little further. I love how i didnt know which side you two were really on most of the video, truly presenting pros and cons for each
It's almost July. I've been waiting for my Navi since November
That sounds like me. I bought an ebike, Lectric, they shipped it to my house. 1000 bucks, minimal assembly, just like any modern bicycle. Road it a little around town, POS only goes for 20 miles on a charge, and you do not want to pedal these things, they did not design them to be actually pedaled like a bicycle. They come with lights on the front and rear. Fenders and a shock absorbing front fork. Top speed 22 mph.
I said, piss on that. I picked up an honda adv 150. A much superior bike than the navi. About 4700 out the door. It's a maxi scooter, 150 cc engine, fuel injection, full headlights, tail lights, brake lights, blinkers, horn, huge under seat storage, easily handles 2 people on board, gets about 70 mpg and top speed is around 63 mph. I've put 4500 miles on it last summer. I stay off of the interstate and other heavily traveled highways. Wisconsin has a lot of good paved County and town roads to explore. The bike holds 2.1 gallons of gas and if I'm on the road and running low, I'll just go to any gas station and fuel up for another carefree 150 miles.
Anyone want to buy a used ebike?
youre comparing a foldable, pedaled e bicycle to a motorcycle lol, seems like youre clueless about what you wanted
E-bikes are a waaaaaay better choice for most short distance, shop-trip, college town and senior riders among others. They are less demanding physically, cheaper to operate, nearly maintenance-free, Not smelly, easier to to store, bike rackable and lots more. The NAVI is a toy motorcycle and really marketed toward the owners of bigger Cycles...regardless of what some YT reviewers have said. This is not an entry-level bike for a potential motorcyclist. If you want to get into motorcycles, get a more full-size CB300R or similar bike and learn to handle all road conditions with more "authority".
not to mention an ebike like a talaria or surron are more comparable to a motorcycle like the navi, although the talaria and surron outperform the navi in every possible objective way
The navi vs the grizzly v2 would be a good vs video. The price and range are close.
Great Suggestion! Know anyone in Boston that has one?
@@brewcrewgarage no
This was good, I have a ebike but I want a navi. Lol wish it didnt have all the extra fees.
Yeah I just got quoted $3890 for an $1800 bike. $1000 ADM way more than I expected
Yup its a motorcycle but I consider it a mini-moto. My main selling point is its an automatic. My Honda Rebel 300 was my first bike but its too much bike for me and shifting scared the crap out of me! We are trading in my Rebel for a Navi, we pick it up this week!! 👍🏻🏍️
My son just traded in his car for an E Bike since his work is only 3 miles away.
I cannot figure out why every video about the Navi says you're not walking away paying $1807. No sh*t Every street legal motor vehicle has destination fee, title, license, insurance and tax (according to state) I get that there are sleazy dealers jacking the fees but if you go on Honda's site you can order directly and have it delivered to a listed authorized dealer. There's a $200 destination fee and a $100 surcharge over MSRP. When you pick it up tax, title...etc is added like any vehicle
Yup exactly, there are the typical add ins. 👍🏻
besides the speed idk a good ebike is kinda the way to go no gas no tags no insurance. easy storage For the Record i do like the Navi just between storage and the monthly cost it’s not as practical for me if it reached 65mph highway speeds i would have prob gotten one. if i’m stuck on side streets Ebike for me.
You bring up very valid points
@@brewcrewgarage thx I enjoyed the comparison.😎
Getting my Navi to cruise around with the husband while he's on our Grom (or his Harley if taking our son with us). Just nice backroads trips 45/50 mph or less.
talaria and surron both go much faster than the navi, those are probably the most popular ebikes out there
@@terrycruise-zd5tw yea I’ll probably get a XXX or a Roadrunner Pro in the spring.
My vote is the Navi. My concern with either one is both are easy to steal.
I don't trust my fellow man. I am in Cohasset, Massachusetts and I wouldn't go to Roxbury,or Quincy and leave either one unattended
Neighbors!
Depending on how you buy it you should be able to add a full coverage warranty on the ebike for cheap....
To add to that a square trade warranty will cost you less than 100 for 2 years full coverage.....I got a 3000 watt electric chopper goes 47....range 40 miles thanks to the upgraded 30ah battery and it only cost 2300 otd.....that was the number I wanted for the navi but was told 3k......tack on Insurance and getting a m1 license and that's 1k more .....I love the chopper...with that extra 1k and the savings from gas, oil changes and smog I'm gonna throw it into a down payment for the sondors ev...
I had an ebike stolen - somebody sawed through the porch railing it was cable locked to. It was registered and actually recovered from a police check stop later. Locked by a Ubolt lock to steel post after that.
A MA-er here too!! I'm going to lock mine to a pole plus have and extra wheel lock when I have to go to the shadier areas. Might even hide an apple tag thingie on it.
I bought an ebike for the city, but it's too dangerous to commute with. Homeless and drivers both have gone out of their way to harass people on bicycles on my commute route. Shopping for a Navi now
Not really a true comparison, the ebike good for short journeys and exercise, the navi better for longer, but I wouldn’t go on a highway, a truck driver would just drive over you!
There is a storage compartment that is under the seat. It's not real big, but it'll hold a lock, chain, and a small can of extra gas for emergencies.
It also has 2 helmet holders. 👍🏻
what are you gonna lock your mini bike to? a bicycle rack? a sign pole? locks seem pretty pointless on a tiny bike that can be picked up and put in someones backseat
Asking the real questions
Honda.... You can't go wrong with a Honda..... Also resell value is higher
Truth ☝️
Too true! My husband got a great trade in price for my Rebel 300, held its value great for the year I owned it.
still saying that after the motocompacto launch? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
the navi would be great to ride around with the lads
Mr.Navi . I crack up hearing you saying that
...Ebike over priced ... The honda ...$3000? Over priced ....Buy both cheaper and Enjoy!
I’ve reached 28 miles an hour on a single speed normal bicycle on flat land.
I really want to buy a Honda Navi but I don't want to pay for any fees besides the freight fee and sales tax. If I can't get around a lot of those fees from my local dealership, then I guess I will just buy an electric bike.
get a talaria or surron ebike if you want a fair comparison to a freaking motorcycle. this guy is comparing an ebicycle to a motorcycle. talaria and surron beat navi in performance in every way, plus you get the benefits of not paying for or using gas and oil and being allowed to use bike lanes and sidewalks
Ebike for me.
The Honda is more MANLY 👍🏽
I as a female who is picking up my lovely red Navi this week I better dig out my pink and white helmet and padded jacket so I look a bit more feminine on my manly bike 😂 (I did have a black Rebel 300...nothing at all feminine about that bike!). My husband wouldn't let me put Stitch stickers all over it. 😭
Lols if you're from NYC they steal everything even kids bikes. We even have citi bikes/E-bikes and people keep claiming them like they own them lol. Don't matter what you ride it matters the about your location, where you store it and how you choose to store it. But love how yous spent 3k on the Navi might as well went for the grom.
4 to 5 hours with the supplied charger. You can buy a faster charger. For commuting you keep a charger at both ends and never worry about how long it takes to charge. You do pay for charging though. That charging cost adds up &, depending on location, could even reach a dollar a week;)
At WOT I doubt the Navi will do better than 70-80 mpg. Still cheap for an ICE but cost comparisons to an e-bike?
it costs a few bucks to charge an ebike per month lol, compared to buying gas per month lolll (remember you have to fill the tank first :) )
also faster chargers lower the life of a battery
@@terrycruise-zd5tw TOO TRUE. You can get a charger that allows you to choose the amperage. Then you can trickle charge when you have the time or fast charge when you don't. If you usually slow charge to 80% I don't think you'll do too much damage only fast charging occasionally & only charging to 100% to balance the cells.
My Navi 2290 out the door. No where near 110 mpg 😂
More like 70
Navi
i paid 2k for my navi ...
Were you able to get around the fees? That's my only concern.
@@chris135x they tried to add shit on last second and i got up and started walking out. They already saw my cash so i figured they didn't want it walking out the door and they didn't... they tried to sell me the same navi 4 months earlier at a higher price and i guess no one was biting there hooks
You can't ride the Honda on trails or sidewalks or boardwalks, I'll take the lower speed and range instead.
Haha Pedro...you coulddddd but you will get in a lot of trouble!!
@@brewcrewgarage Nah, I don't want to end up in jail and become someone's girlfriend at this point in my life.
Gas ⛽️ is better
Weird to compare... Ebike can go into park and navi cant. Since they are city bikes better see it like this.
In uk they would get stolen same day you buy it.
As soon as you leave the store!!
You didn’t have to pay all that. You could have just not bought one.
Ya bro
if he paid 3k for a navi he got fkd, and that's on him.
Do it against a 3000w mp1 chopper.... more even comparison
Thanks for the suggestion! We will try and find one
That cost more than the Navi and any electric bike in MS that goes over 20 mph requires the same registration/insurance and follow the same rules as a motorcycle. Nothing to be gained there!
I have both
i with the honda Ruckus no tag and it will do 38 mph
Navi don't cost no 1,800. It's like 2,300 with taxes and fees
Yea it is! We did an out the door price video from the dealer- th-cam.com/video/vwl56IFM_ac/w-d-xo.html
I’m gonna keep looking thanks
Honda Monkey???? Stay tuned!
That's like 4gs tho?
Can't you register the Navi as a scooter below 150cc or does it have to be registered as a motorcycle? If so you don't need a m class just a scooter L class
Every state is different
@@brewcrewgarage I'm aware of that but most states do have a separate scooter registration over 50cc's. I was just curious if in those States would allow you to register as a scooter. Hopefully someone out there has done it
THE NAVI HAS 110 CC ENGINE. REQUIRES A MOTOR CYCLE LICENSE.
In my state (MA) its considered a motorcycle, you need a motorcycle license. They classify a scooter as 50cc's or below, the Navi is 109cc.
Lol the Navi has OUTRAGEOUS OTD prices.
Got mine for 2400, including tax title and license. Bigger city prices are absolutely nuts, talked to guys in SoCal paying around $4k.
Its because its new and barely anyone had them in stock last year, our dealership now has 5 in stock and their sister dealership has at least 8.
@@charlottesmom what’s the OTD price?
@@SpicySharp Just picked mine up today paid 2,600 OTD.
@@charlottesmom oh yeah that’s much better price
Was four grand when I tried to buy
Thats a fairly inexpensive ebike. Most of them are much, much more expensive.
30-50 miles that’s terrible
That's without pedalling.
HONDA MB5
Navi with a manual would be even better than it is now😋
That would be wicked fun
I bought it specifically due to it being automatic but a manual version would be cool!
They aren’t similar at all ha
I am not gay. I choose neither
Some gay guys ride Harleys! 👍🏻🏍️
@@charlottesmom Stone cold fact!
Comparing a motorcycle to a bike is stupid lol.
It’s a 109cc cvt moped 😂 not really a motorcycle
@@brewcrewgarage its a scooter! moped cant go 50mph
They are both 2 wheeled transportation. Pick whichever suits you best.
@@brianfraser2495 They're not regulated the same so try again.
@@iMotoTactic00L Agreed its a scooter with a motorcycle facade, plus you need a motorcycle license for the Navi so definitely not a moped.
E-bikes SUCK!
You know what sucks? Being forced to buy insurance.
funny video lol
Navi had unlimited range. No e-bike will ever match it in terms of food delivery unless you only do 25 miles a day. The Hemingway is ok but that 14a battery is a joke. The Navi is not 3,000. It’s 1807 plus fees typical 2600 out the door.