I always imagined the next step in racing was to make cheaper disposable cars, relax the safety rules and have them driven remotely, then its still human versus humans but they can take insane risks and with no driver the cars could be made much cheaper. Watching robots race robots is pointless, like trying to play a computer game that plays itself and ignores your inputs, it's not sport.
@@wobblyboost That is actually an interesting idea. The only issue is that it may not be too different from a video game or a simulation, so I guess it would not be too interesting for most and in a videogame you could create races with crazy layouts which can test the skills of the drivers even further. So I guess in a remote control race, you wouldn't have neither the risk and physical challenge of a human being driving the car personally nor the creativity and crazyness that you can achieve in a video game or virtually simulated race, personally I think that Esports don't use race games to their full potential, I don't find interesting a video game competition with the same rules and limitations of real life, when you can watch the actual races irl, but whatever.
@@animeturnMMD what makes a remote-controlled car more interesting though is that the vessel one controls exist tangibly. even if you're not bound by the constraints of human meat, you are still bound to the same earth. in a video game, everything is simulated, which leads to unusual, physics-breaking stunts inevitably. plus a real car crashing is cooler than a fake car crashing.
@@sylvercritter well I guess then they should do something really extreme to make it really interesting, I think not even normal circuits would be enough, they will have to create special circuits which could allow the rc cars to really shine, otherwise it wouldn't look that different from a normal race, hence wouldn't be as appealing as a race with people putting their lives on the line to challenge the limits of human body and reflexes. Because while is true that without pilots insine you can ask the machine to do even more extreme movements, the mayority of circuits are designed also to keep the G forces on the car among tolerable parameters for humans. So maybe it could be too expensive to create new circuits so the race doesn't look like some bizarre convention of radio control lovers.
@@DanielDorn-tr7tw yeah but without a human to protect, some of the safety concerns probably could be relaxed. Obviously teams want to protect their investments but just think how fast these cars could go without the weight of all the life saving bits like roll cages, halos and the like. Given time to mature, I'd love to watch this alongside humans racing
Why, do you think it could`ve gain consciousness and evolve rapidly and then decimate anyone on the track or he could`ve traveled back from the future in order to kill Kvyat`s mother?
@@1queijocas high end programmers... thanks but we are only PhD and thesis students... The problem is the time and budget, and i am not talking about the budget to pay us.
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. A robot must not learn how to drive on a closed circuit unless it crashes into another robot except if it conflicts with the first, second or third rule.
From a technical POV this is just amazing. I imagine race cars without ALL the FIA's safety rules just blazing at incredible speeds around race tracks. Imagine the spectacular crashes, lol. Cars with spikes and banana's to eliminate the competitor you say ? lol, so much could be done.
I agree that the concept is amazing, but the reality is that we're a long long way off from that. Even after the AI gets good enough to race, the cars need to get cheap enough for it to be profitable to crash a load of them
@@jaywalmoose9623 Agreed, but it also kinda depends on how much people will be watching, and therefore how much sponsors it can attract. But maybe it can attract whole different kind of sponsors, and even different public to participate. Think about all the nerds who are into computer stuff and their companys. It probably can join the racefans and tech nerds. Hell, you can even compete the AI with RC. Max Verstappen is not wrong for investing/participating in E race games. It can, and probably will expand to the real world, with just much more options and variety then F1 can ever offer. Formula 1 was once meant as 'build the fastest car you can build, and race it!' , today, that's not nowhere the case anymore. F1 is getting more and more restrictions every year sortof ( for obvious reasons, yes ) , but a new catagory of race cars can bring that free, maybe careless, race spirit alive again. Begone restrictions !
@@cygil1 mjeh, maybe, but then again you can program the cars to make room. For instance if the car behind is closer then 'xx meter' for 'xx amount of time' the car in front needs to let the car pass. There really are lots of possibility's.
that is not UAE strategy. they go full steam. probably blowing they host the first F1 AI race ever in the world, and the 2 month notice is probably cause Saudi announce they would the the same 3 month later. Couldn't help but notice how they were so much "F1 car" but going way slower than expected.
I disagree that the project is a "joke", I think it could actually end up being the fastest racing series to ever exist and be incredible to watch but I absolutely agree that they wanted to make it into a joke because eventually the engineering teams would get all the kinks out of the system and the AI, once it figures out how to properly race, would utterly destroy any human driver and seriously degrade the F1 racing scene if not completely kill it.
The project in itself is no joke, because if people start taking it seriously there would be many improvements in self driving, also there will no longer be a g force limiting factor anymore and the cars can be pushed to absolute limit until tyres complain. But it's the fia that's the problem and also software wise, don't you think racing games that are 20 years old have better racing AI than these cars?
to be fair, atleast its interesting this way. if the ai was good there would be no point to the series. its just watching ai drive around the track at decent speed, probably not overtaking.
@@brettjames5061 well I imagine if they were to make it an actual sport (if you can even call ai racing a sport, more an engineering challenge I guess) that it would be a little more than just a straight forward normal F1 race, I imagine things would be added in that would never be aloud if human drivers were on the track, idk what exactly but there’s no way it would just be a normal race cause as you said, that would get very boring very quickly
Actually DARPA put on the first autonomous vehicle race. I helped start Axion racing back in 2003 when the DARPA Grand Challenge was announced. It was a race in the Mojave Desert from Barstow to Primm Nevada. They gave out a 1 million prize for anyone that would have completed the course as well as DARPA contracts to go with. Also my vehicle, Spirit, was number one qualifier at California Speedway for The Big Race. We also, with a 94 Jeep Cherokee and $750,000, were the first autonomous vehicle to climb Pikes Peak in Colorado 8 years before Google did it.
It's not even the first open wheel autonomous race, either. IndyCar has been doing this with university teams with the Indy Autonomous Challenge for a couple years. They're a long way from a proper full race, but watching this, it looks like Indy is a little bit farther ahead than A2RL. They even unveiled the first purpose-built race car chassis for AI cars this year at CES.
In 2004 the DAARPA Grand Challenge was created as a contest for autonomous vehicles to race across 132 miles the desert - not a single vehicle finished, and many crashed or simply shut down in the first few minutes. One year later the Stanford team completed the race in 6 hours, and every other team finished. That was 2005... Take home message : these cars have terrible AI, but that will change very quickly.
AI engineer and professional driver here - Why do you think that? Because I can tell you that no matter how much you know about racing, 2 months is not enough time to deliver an AI capable of racing. Heck, it’s not even enough time to train a driver capable of racing..or a car.
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad So don't have a race. Call it a demonstration or an exhibition. Like at last summer's Festival of speed. Calling it a race implies certain elements that were clearly lacking here.
@@Syolaar After your demonstration of racing knowledge, engineering competency, and impulse to form an opinion without knowledge of the aforementioned, I think it might be wise to sit down before sharing your event planning and marketing strategies…especially when you realize your definition of “race” is not the same as any dictionary.
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad Was thinking I've made better driving and navigation stacks for my cnc vinyl cutter robot a scalpel on a servo on omni wheel robot could cut vinyl stickers out from gerber which is trickier than it sounds step tracking correction and keeping the scalpel oriented for the cut was a b*ch :) . but that took 18 months to get the model accurate and the bulk of that was with the use of 4 free a100's going 24 hours a day for nearly the whole of that 18 months a while was pretty cool stereoscopic vision and lidar fore and aft with 4 microwave meat detectors and a look down sensor for the table edge.
@@leonmusk1040I have tried and tried and tried to decode your nonsense that’s where I’m drawing the line. I can’t tell if you just forgot a bunch of punctuation or you’re using terms without knowing their meaning or a combination of the two. “My cnc vinyl cutter robot a scalpel servo on Omni wheel robot”… Forget everything I said. All I want to know is: wtf is a meat detector?
It's almost as if the technology is still half baked but everyone's desperately trying to push this as the next "big thing" in order to secure more VC to keep their money pit research companies afloat.
Just stunning and brave watching F1 cars driving 120 MPH slower than than can go. I mean he passes coming out of a corner yet neither car looked like they were accelerating. Just put remote controls and have million dollar RC cars. Would be more enjoyable than whatever this was.
2-3 months is criminally not enough to produce a half-decent product, and the fact that they even managed to do this says a lot about the kind of talent available that wasn't allowed to show itself. The code for something like this would be tens or even hundreds of thousands of lines long, and even writing something like that is an immense task in itself, not to mention debugging it and going through integration hell to put it into the car. Here I was shitting on it myself until I heard they did this in 2 months, then my opinion completely flipped. 2 minutes round a track that F1 cars do in 1:25 isn't too far off, especially in slower cars. Hopefully the organisers hold it again properly in a year, this time giving the teams EVERY SINGLE SECOND THEY CAN to make sure that it's actually a good event to watch.
You can do 2 minutes in this track using a 100hp hatchback. Theres nothing impressive about it. Specially when 2 minutes was just the best qualifying lap, and there were others lagging 8 minutes behind
If they can't get a handful of cars going the same direction around a track, how could we possibly let autonomous cars loose in our cities with everything that goes on day to day, it'll be a blood bath.
Self driving technology has been around for some years now, so this is just building on something that already existed. Here's a video of a Roborace car from 6 years ago. th-cam.com/video/QtVbch-02Fs/w-d-xo.html This farce of a 'race' shows that this self driving racing is as crap as I expected it to be. Utterly pointless.
@GraveUypo if you can get me a video of someone doing Yas Marina in 2 minutes in a 100hp hatchback I'll edit my comment and add whatever you want me to say to the end of it
@eroffroad5438 because self driving technology today isn't done in 2 months, and has to deal with cars that are either travelling in roughly the same direction at roughly the same speeds in predefined areas (which makes the code a lot more simple) or going at less than a quarter of the speed, giving the computer way more time to make an accurate decision. And again, a decade of work compared to 2 months.
Honestly, as hilarious that whole debacle was, it's still kind of impressive they managed to build something that can finish a lap and even overtake with that kind of time crunch. Definitely have the potential, but suffering the same disease of overpromise underdeliver.
@@03056932 well that's why i mentioned the overpromise and underdeliver. I'm not well-versed in either side of the automation but i can only assume that they both have unique challenges in which the autonomous racing scene has not yet matured as opposed to the robot fighting scene. At least, i believe within the novelty and time crunch of the scene, it's still quite a feat.
@@LRM12o8 I mean the difference is one is a robotic driver, the other isn't. I think what killed the fun is knowing that it's an AI driving the car even when most of what i believe the entertainment on the race track is the car go whoosh part of it, and AI "kills" the vibe. But ultimately, i still feel the entertainment part of it is still seeing the cars go racing. Or maybe i'm just overselling the idea to the wrong audience.
OH MAN! 🤣🤣🤣 So many one liners that I cant pick one fav. I like your style so much I subscribed halfway through the video and Ive never seen anything by you before. "To brag in BINARY" had me rolling around the floor. Hilarious. Some true TH-cam Excellence in this video well done you. Abs BRILLIANT!!!
My friend from JPL basically quotes his superiors here. "For a human to do a task, you just tell the guy 'do thing.' For a robot to do a task, you need millions of dollars, weeks of scale simulation and testing, and it will also suck at doing the task compared to a human."
@@M3rVsT4H I think the rate AI is progressing is both impressive and scary. We’re still a long way from a true sentient digital consciousness yet. But this Autonomous Motor Sport currently, makes it look like we’re going backwards lol.
90% of cars on roads do not, they just commute from one point to other. And they are huuuuuumans, they do stupidiest errors, make huge pileup in 100% safe conditions, squash the whole school class when trying to reach water bottle (yes, Greenacres school) and so on. So theoretically autonomous cars have great advantage in everything - speed, traffic dencity, safety, independency of human stupidity, booze and drugs, bad mood and fatigue. If my van would have ability to switch to autonomous drive on highways and other main roads it would be great advantage, saving me lot of time, money and risks. Drive Sydney-Adelaide, 1400km, takes 24h instead of 15 and incures significant risks as I can not be 100% vigilant without any errors and distractions. And kangaroo problem easily solved with proper bullbar. The problem is that our beloved government 110% will make cars not autonomous, but government-controlled. Do not go there, do not accelerate here, your carbon emission in this month exceeded so no ride at all, you are obliged to give a ride to this vulnerable illegal immigrant and so on.
@@antontsau So why not just have trams or trains? We don't need a load of 'AI' powered machines from rival manufacturers all sharing the same space on a busy road.
@@SilverfoxJB because tram or train can not travel from point to point, only from station to station, and can be private space which is always near user, ready for his personal use. Car - can. 30 km on highway train can do even better,, 5 km in suburb and 5 km in city - no way at all. Including public transport, not only cars. See Adelaide OBahn, "rails for buses", stoneage version of such a self-driving car. The same bus, without any transfer, crawls on city and suburb streets, but 15 km in the middle it flies 90 km/h with driver do not touching steering will at all. Yes, its suitable for buses only, but if make similar electronic control on dedicated highway lanes cars could do the same.
Omg that was awesome (your commentary)... lol. I find it impressive that they can even program IRL AI to drive on track... and find it even MORE impressive that we trust AI to drive our cars on REAL HIGHWAYS after seeing this. Nice work!!
That was funny, embarrassing, and impressive all in one go. 2 Months to program a car to do that when you consider all the lights, extra lanes, and everything else that's going on around the track and cars actaully made a full lap, that is impressive. Thanks for showing this, keep up the good work. I would imagine here will be a good leap forward for the next race, the teams will have gathered a lot of information and feedback from this race, which they will them use to improve the control of the cars. I wonder how well a Tesla would do around one of these circuits?
Bro the silence with the still cars, then the rock for the super slow but moving car, that was the greatest thing I’ve ever seen and I’m still laughing about it because it just stopped anyways.
i actually feel bad for the Ai . it's like seeing a toddler being told to do something like build a house or make dinner. the Ai are trying their best but are clearly in a much too early stage for something like this
@@chilli-soup no it's like seeing a hungry kitten in a cage next to a tiny bit cracked open can of food and watching the kitten cry being unable to open it further to eat.
This was pretty hilarious, but admittedly pretty cool as a proof of concept. All of the software stuff can be worked out over time and if it is, this could actually become something pretty interesting to watch in the near future.
hahaha this is exactly how i felt watching this live and trying to explain how sad it was to my friends. thank you for capturing the experience perfectly
In all honesty, what they accomplished is impressive. The issue is they hyped it up too much. Its nit ready for a stage like this. Now, it will take even longer because it will probably get pulled from existance. Lol, as soon as I typed this out, you said the same thing in the video 😂. Cheers mate
People who think LLMs are a road to machine sentience dont understand two key and basic concepts 1) statistics, bc thats what models like Chatgp are based on, and 2) the point of diminishing returns. Its like putting of 10lbs of mussel when you start training for a year and thinking in 5 more years your going to put on 50 more lbs.
Yeah a LLMs (Large Language Model) is probably not driving those cars, although based on how they did it could be a chat bot driving 😂 It'll be some other deep neural network based model that didn't have enough training data
@@wiredvibe1678 Very simple: we can learn from experiences. LLMs use large data bases to predict what the next words will be based on the previous ones. If you feed it a text that explicitely states that and why a particular sequence of words it used is false, for example because the LLM is unknowingly referencing something like a meme, it will not be able to learn from that at all. It can not contextualize information, it can not learn what sarcasm, references or parodies are. Sure it can repeat definitions for those things, but it can't recognize them and therefore can not distinguish between true and false statements, it doesn't even have a concept of what that difference means or why it might be important. Also if consciousness was as simple as this, we would have figured out consciousness decades ago, so that's how we know that.
@@creativedesignation7880 I'm pretty sure we can contextualize an experience as a statistic, and then "learning from an experience" could be defined as adjusting the output of your behavior based on the input... I don't see how you have shown that we are not just a really complicated statistical model.
I'm not here to pee on anyone's techno-bonfire or spoil the fun, but it seems to me that, however good AI racing gets, the thing it will always lack is passion. A human driver CARES about his task. He's struggled up the motor racing ladder to get where he longed to be as a kid, and sitting behind the wheel really, really matters to him. A car can be programmed, but it can't be programmed to care with any kind of authenticity. Red mist, anyone? Revenge? Grudges? Personality conflicts? Ego? Pride? Motorsport is all about passion, and you can't fake passion. Or, at least, that's what my ex-boyfriend believed. 🤭
@foersterjunior but you, the audience, don't get to see any of the drama and struggles the programmers went through to make their faceless bot race, so why do you think the audience will care?
As technical practice, this is really neat. Has a long way to go till it's nearly as good as the real deal, but only time will tell if this bears any racing fruit. These are students and engineers working with new tech, creating new idea's and learning. Failure and learning go hand and hand. Honestly there are some existing players in the smart car world that did take notice, and might help better fund and support these folks in future races or demos. I'm also surprised Formula E is not kicking around with the AI car's. Maybe one day they will also race those funny robot dogs as well.
Compare the results of the 2004 DARPA Challenge with the results of the 2005 edition. It is not easy to guess how slowly or how fast things will improve.
Or compare Tesla's FSD from 2023 with Tesla's FSD now in 2024. Years of slow-and-steady improvements in AI driving, and then suddenly with 12.3.x, a huge leap forward.
I think perfecting the ai and having them race the best car you could build, that isn’t held back by the limits of g force a driver could handle would be pretty cool
YOOOOO, that fireworks show was the BEST that I’ve EVER seen on video. Can’t imagine how awesome it must have been in person. The “race” was a joke, but that display was absolutely amazing! 😎
I kinda like the idea of a coding battle, but that's because I'm a software developer. It doesn't have to be racing, but racing offers interesting problems of computer vision and physics in a relatively controlled environment, so I'd probably watch this more than, say, a robot football match.
@fabioguggeri325 I agree. I must admit, considering they only had two months to do this, they did a good job. It was a massive mistake to make this a public event though. They just shot themselves in the foot when it comes to events of this kind and scale.
Competition accelerates development. A Motorrace is a pretty good controlled environment to test real life application of software and robotics. Every team having a different AI is like have different drivers, it is not like everyone has the same code or problem solutions, so if this is going to be fleshed out more, it can get really interesting.
It's a technology race, just like F1. The difference is that they are developing the racing AI, where in F1 they're developing the car and the technology around that. Same with Formula E, developing battery and other EV tech.
I remember probably close to 10 years ago now I randomly came across an Autonomous Vehicle Challenge competition in Vegas or something which was broadcast live, where different universities/companies were competing to drive around a road network, with dirt roads, rough roads etc. Every car had essentially a giant roof box of sensors, cameras, and everything needed to make it move by itself and they were all either stationary, rolling an inch before braking and repeating over and over or driving 3km/h. The fact that the technology has reached the point where they can be "raced" on a track is nothing short of amazing, the fact that this has all been compacted down into the size/weight of an F1 car is even more brilliant. This doesnt really detract from the technology, it gives the technology a much larger audience, and it gives universities and companies the ability to realise that maybe it is something they can accomplish better than the current competition. If they werent allowed to race until every bug was worked out it would possibly be another decade, however, letting the wider public see what we can do right now drives interest.
It is really cool from a technological and engineering perspective, but for racing, this is nonsense. I couldn’t think of anything more boring than watching a bunch of robots drive around a track autonomously. If humans aren’t involved then there are no stakes for anyone. The technology is great but it should be used for automating dangerous and monotonous things such as loading/unloading cargo ships or driving freight trucks. Racing is a wasted application for this.
@@michaeletzel4877 I think you’re missing quite a lot of things. If humans aren’t involved it doesn’t change anything; greyhound racing, RC racing, pigeon racing, marble racing and even battle bots. People don’t care about a human in the car, they will watch regardless. Rather autonomous racing focuses on the team itself as they need to not only build the car but create an AI capable of racing, these teams are putting hundreds or even thousands of hours into the car, and they all want to get the win, just like F1, NASCAR, WRC, all have massive teams in the background. And yes autonomous vehicles are best suited to roles like mines, trucking, buses, taxis. But like with all other forms of motorsport, the technology that is developed by these teams will be repackaged and used in a wide range of uses, and racing these in competitions will see this technology develop faster as people have something to look to achieve.
@@LCaddyStudios I’ll agree that autonomous racing will probably find an audience but it will be minuscule compared to the number of people that enjoy (human) F1, just like the audiences of all of those alternatives you mentioned. Perhaps autonomous racing could become its own thing but if human drivers ever disappear entirely I think motorsport as a whole will be much less popular than it currently is.
I think it has promise. Though not in lower formula cars, but in purpose built machines that can go well in excess of f1 cars. I think the idea of cars going in excess of 300 or 400 mph ( or more) around well known circuits might be very appealing to viewers and sponsors alike. Thus also teams willing to make the monsters in the first place.
@@tiberazur3 just free styling here. What if we ousted the personal and had robots to clean the track and what not ( how hard could it be.😆 )Or maybe it could be like old Leman and if a car crashes or fails just leave it there and have the other cars have to navigate it. As for fans saftey you could always move them back from alongside the track. Or I get the feeling a barrier could be engineered to contain app debris or cars from entering the stands.
They should flat out run races like this with Civics or Corollas. The slowest current models. The cars could then actually be holding at the edge in the turns vs going 1/8th their actual capabilities.
2 months in not fair timeline. In only 2 months AI could finish the whole lap without crashing is an achievement. Give it a year and train the model properly and see the result. How AI could make an overtake off the racing line when it isn’t even trained for that.
Exactly. These teams had 2 months to develop a code they could only properly run for the first time during the event weekend, having to perform tasks they had no way to train the code for in advance. Just the fact they managed to get laps done is impressive, let alone the fastest laps being at the 2 minutes mark. People keep throwing sh1ts at the participants only because they have zero idea what it takes to achieve some meaningful result here, but I'm impressed and looking forward to much improved round 2, as the teams now finally have some relevant data and experience to improve their AI drivers.
Good question. How do you train an AI to take the risk of a ‘fatal’ crash vs not bothering to go fast at all and adapt to different track conditions and other drivers. Extremely challenging
by far the most exciting F1 race ive ever seen period, way more exciting than the entire last decade of F1, if this is what it takes to make F1 exciting im 100% for it!!!!
I think this is actually really cool. I have experienced plenty of projects going through the extremely unrefined ugly first stages similar to this. Given time and resources, I’m sure they can make these robots quite formidable.
You guys are not true racing fans. The thrill of the race is watching drivers make mistakes and seeing others capitalize on it. This had that in spades! This was the greatest race ever.
They can’t even make this work on a closed track. Meanwhile, people are doom scrolling on their iPhones while their fully autonomous Tesla rolls around on public roads!!!
Motorsport since first introduced be: 1. Be fun to watch 2. Be impressive 3. Showing off AI race: 1. Being tedious ✅️ 2. All that tech and HW, still slower than grandma in a first-gen prius ✅️
This isn't AI and that's the big lie. This is just basic script. There's no AI here. A true intelligence will recognize a goal for their needs/desire as a motivation and will act sapient as a result. As it stands, these AI Engineers are just bad script writers who couldn't code a Mod on Warcraft 3 using 2005 mapping tools.
I also watched this and felt that the cars/technology just wasn't ready for prime time. I do think that they will improve as time goes on an the AI gains experience.
Ai destruction derby would be fun. No idea why they started with F1
I always imagined the next step in racing was to make cheaper disposable cars, relax the safety rules and have them driven remotely, then its still human versus humans but they can take insane risks and with no driver the cars could be made much cheaper. Watching robots race robots is pointless, like trying to play a computer game that plays itself and ignores your inputs, it's not sport.
@@wobblyboost That is actually an interesting idea. The only issue is that it may not be too different from a video game or a simulation, so I guess it would not be too interesting for most and in a videogame you could create races with crazy layouts which can test the skills of the drivers even further. So I guess in a remote control race, you wouldn't have neither the risk and physical challenge of a human being driving the car personally nor the creativity and crazyness that you can achieve in a video game or virtually simulated race, personally I think that Esports don't use race games to their full potential, I don't find interesting a video game competition with the same rules and limitations of real life, when you can watch the actual races irl, but whatever.
@@animeturnMMD what makes a remote-controlled car more interesting though is that the vessel one controls exist tangibly. even if you're not bound by the constraints of human meat, you are still bound to the same earth. in a video game, everything is simulated, which leads to unusual, physics-breaking stunts inevitably.
plus a real car crashing is cooler than a fake car crashing.
@@sylvercritter well I guess then they should do something really extreme to make it really interesting, I think not even normal circuits would be enough, they will have to create special circuits which could allow the rc cars to really shine, otherwise it wouldn't look that different from a normal race, hence wouldn't be as appealing as a race with people putting their lives on the line to challenge the limits of human body and reflexes.
Because while is true that without pilots insine you can ask the machine to do even more extreme movements, the mayority of circuits are designed also to keep the G forces on the car among tolerable parameters for humans. So maybe it could be too expensive to create new circuits so the race doesn't look like some bizarre convention of radio control lovers.
They should start with normal cars and give them bumpers!
You'd think with no meat-based driver on board they could relax some safety rules.
Those cars are more expensive than an F1 car with a human driver in it
@@DanielDorn-tr7tw yeah but without a human to protect, some of the safety concerns probably could be relaxed. Obviously teams want to protect their investments but just think how fast these cars could go without the weight of all the life saving bits like roll cages, halos and the like. Given time to mature, I'd love to watch this alongside humans racing
@@DanielDorn-tr7tw they're not. 150k SF car + maybe a million in technology. Still a fraction of the cost of an f1 car
@@MrJohansen You think there's a million dollars of "technology" on that car? Yeah right, probably a raspberry pi 🤣🤣
@@Bullwinkle39 money worth more then human life
Considering the "Stroll overtake" I'd say it was pretty brave to have a human driver on the track vs an AI...
Don't worry, with Kviat at the wheel there would be a 0% chance a human would be hurt or killed in an accident.
Felt sorry for the AI having to share a track with Daniil Kvyat, maybe that's why it was so reluctant to overtake.
I think the ai car is in more danger. Dont forget about the torpedo.
Why, do you think it could`ve gain consciousness and evolve rapidly and then decimate anyone on the track or he could`ve traveled back from the future in order to kill Kvyat`s mother?
@@bishopoftroy 2:12 for "Stroll overtake" comment reference.
The blue car slowly moving to some heavy metal was hilarious... xD
was very funny
Probably trained by "Checo Perez", even with its oppents fully sotpped and still could not win.
😂
The owner of the event: just do something to make it more interesting. Whatever it is!
The programming teams should have had been given at least two years instead of two months.
Money is the issue, probably no additional budget. These high end programmers cost a fortune
Believe me, two decades isn't enough.
@@STRIDER_503lol, luddite
Incompetent high schoolers. At best.
@@1queijocas high end programmers... thanks but we are only PhD and thesis students... The problem is the time and budget, and i am not talking about the budget to pay us.
Dude that shot of the heavy metal music and the F1 robot doing 35KPH / cut to the competitors sitting still 😂
That was my favorite highlight as well! 🤣😂🤣
The suspense 🤣
and then the interview was 🤌
Clearly had AI generate the metal as well
robots suddenly stood up for themselves like "nope didn't sign up to be a racer"
Well too bad we will program you to be one so, you can replace us in everything my overlord.
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
A robot must not learn how to drive on a closed circuit unless it crashes into another robot except if it conflicts with the first, second or third rule.
In a later interview AI said he wants to be a painter then run for German election
I guess the bitcoin payment for the ai wasnt transfered in time so all ai's went on a strike
😂😂
"The world's most nervous man" @ 1:49 had me dying 😭 🤣 😂🤣
Same, I really wanted to hear the interview after that statement. 🤣🤣
That was cold af 😅
He knew if this all goes to shits, he’ll be homeless by tomorrow
Haha Same
He's going to be sent to the open roof prison if he doesn't please the Amir.
Lmaooo, your commentary is better than the whole event itself!
"Stopped to brag in binary" 😂
From a technical POV this is just amazing.
I imagine race cars without ALL the FIA's safety rules just blazing at incredible speeds around race tracks.
Imagine the spectacular crashes, lol.
Cars with spikes and banana's to eliminate the competitor you say ? lol, so much could be done.
I agree that the concept is amazing, but the reality is that we're a long long way off from that. Even after the AI gets good enough to race, the cars need to get cheap enough for it to be profitable to crash a load of them
@@jaywalmoose9623 Agreed, but it also kinda depends on how much people will be watching, and therefore how much sponsors it can attract.
But maybe it can attract whole different kind of sponsors, and even different public to participate. Think about all the nerds who are into computer stuff and their companys. It probably can join the racefans and tech nerds. Hell, you can even compete the AI with RC.
Max Verstappen is not wrong for investing/participating in E race games. It can, and probably will expand to the real world, with just much more options and variety then F1 can ever offer.
Formula 1 was once meant as 'build the fastest car you can build, and race it!' , today, that's not nowhere the case anymore.
F1 is getting more and more restrictions every year sortof ( for obvious reasons, yes ) , but a new catagory of race cars can bring that free, maybe careless, race spirit alive again. Begone restrictions !
AI racing would devolve into a procession. A very high speed procession, but without human imperfections, overtaking will become impossible.
@@cygil1 mjeh, maybe, but then again you can program the cars to make room.
For instance if the car behind is closer then 'xx meter' for 'xx amount of time' the car in front needs to let the car pass.
There really are lots of possibility's.
TBH I think drones would be more fun
I've never heard an announcer so excited to see cars go so slow. 😂
Money from Abu Dhabi will do that for a person. I lost all respect for them.
just to be clear that audio was overlaid right?
@@bermchasin I don't think they are even referring to the audio from the 2021 F1 championship.
They just need to hire this commentator. th-cam.com/video/qjp1Zrvn8VQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7fKy1BU8g1kh9sQU
Much like average women...AI doesn't understand the point of racing.
Didn’t it occur to anyone that maybe the concept should be tried with model cars on something like a go-kart track, before going full-scale?
They do have competitions based on AI remote controlled cars which learn their surroundings and how to be more efficient as they go around.
100% this.
@@joeyc8546 And they go a lot better than these ones but 2 months is a very small window to train an ai model in their defence
UAE money
that is not UAE strategy. they go full steam. probably blowing they host the first F1 AI race ever in the world, and the 2 month notice is probably cause Saudi announce they would the the same 3 month later.
Couldn't help but notice how they were so much "F1 car" but going way slower than expected.
That was actually hilarious
I am impressed the commentators could take it so serious. They should be cracking up.
Truly pathetic , ... is the term i would use !
Still better then Ea A.i
Every time someone says AI we are supposed to be impressed... but what we see is always less than impressive.
This wasn't supposed to be a joke?
The AI: please, let me go home, I don’t even like racing…
It was later revealed, that Mazepin was driving one of the cars.
They gave only 2 months because, they wanted it to be a joke of a series and then they can kill the project because it's a joke
I disagree that the project is a "joke", I think it could actually end up being the fastest racing series to ever exist and be incredible to watch but I absolutely agree that they wanted to make it into a joke because eventually the engineering teams would get all the kinks out of the system and the AI, once it figures out how to properly race, would utterly destroy any human driver and seriously degrade the F1 racing scene if not completely kill it.
The project in itself is no joke, because if people start taking it seriously there would be many improvements in self driving, also there will no longer be a g force limiting factor anymore and the cars can be pushed to absolute limit until tyres complain.
But it's the fia that's the problem and also software wise, don't you think racing games that are 20 years old have better racing AI than these cars?
to be fair, atleast its interesting this way. if the ai was good there would be no point to the series. its just watching ai drive around the track at decent speed, probably not overtaking.
@@brettjames5061 well I imagine if they were to make it an actual sport (if you can even call ai racing a sport, more an engineering challenge I guess) that it would be a little more than just a straight forward normal F1 race, I imagine things would be added in that would never be aloud if human drivers were on the track, idk what exactly but there’s no way it would just be a normal race cause as you said, that would get very boring very quickly
@@timothygillette225umm,you do know that just making a race the "fastest" does not produce the best racing AT ALL right?
The guitar v crickets juxtaposition at the end of the race killed me 😂
Actually DARPA put on the first autonomous vehicle race. I helped start Axion racing back in 2003 when the DARPA Grand Challenge was announced. It was a race in the Mojave Desert from Barstow to Primm Nevada. They gave out a 1 million prize for anyone that would have completed the course as well as DARPA contracts to go with. Also my vehicle, Spirit, was number one qualifier at California Speedway for The Big Race. We also, with a 94 Jeep Cherokee and $750,000, were the first autonomous vehicle to climb Pikes Peak in Colorado 8 years before Google did it.
but was it formula one cars?
@@bayshorepark1231239 he's not claiming this is the first Formula race. he says it's the first autonomous vehicle race EVER, multiple times.
It's not even the first open wheel autonomous race, either. IndyCar has been doing this with university teams with the Indy Autonomous Challenge for a couple years. They're a long way from a proper full race, but watching this, it looks like Indy is a little bit farther ahead than A2RL. They even unveiled the first purpose-built race car chassis for AI cars this year at CES.
Dude I think your vehicle came to my elementary school when I was a kid and did a lap around our school yard it was the coolest thing id ever seen
You have no proof of this
Your channel name combined with this video is probably the best unintentional comedy I've ever seen XD
In 2004 the DAARPA Grand Challenge was created as a contest for autonomous vehicles to race across 132 miles the desert - not a single vehicle finished, and many crashed or simply shut down in the first few minutes.
One year later the Stanford team completed the race in 6 hours, and every other team finished. That was 2005...
Take home message : these cars have terrible AI, but that will change very quickly.
According to AI experts human drivers should have already been ditched at least 5 years ago so...
I competed in that competition with my high school!
The interview with the world's most nervous man made me spit out my coffee
I did the same thing when he said that the car slowed down to brag in binary 😂
Lol, same
That metal montage of Hailey chasing down the stranded cars had me in stitches 😂 excellent video
Those aero fins and camber really came in handy on that constructer car. Otherwise it might have lost traction and slid off the course
1:51 I nearly spat out my breakfast, how dare you make me laugh like that sir
The metal music with the slow moving formular one car had me laughing so hard! :D
The edit of the Hailey's "chase" was perfect. Chef's kiss!
So engineers that know nothing about racing programmed robots that know nothing about racing. Sounds about right.
AI engineer and professional driver here - Why do you think that?
Because I can tell you that no matter how much you know about racing, 2 months is not enough time to deliver an AI capable of racing.
Heck, it’s not even enough time to train a driver capable of racing..or a car.
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad So don't have a race. Call it a demonstration or an exhibition. Like at last summer's Festival of speed. Calling it a race implies certain elements that were clearly lacking here.
@@Syolaar After your demonstration of racing knowledge, engineering competency, and impulse to form an opinion without knowledge of the aforementioned, I think it might be wise to sit down before sharing your event planning and marketing strategies…especially when you realize your definition of “race” is not the same as any dictionary.
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad Was thinking I've made better driving and navigation stacks for my cnc vinyl cutter robot a scalpel on a servo on omni wheel robot could cut vinyl stickers out from gerber which is trickier than it sounds step tracking correction and keeping the scalpel oriented for the cut was a b*ch :) . but that took 18 months to get the model accurate and the bulk of that was with the use of 4 free a100's going 24 hours a day for nearly the whole of that 18 months a while was pretty cool stereoscopic vision and lidar fore and aft with 4 microwave meat detectors and a look down sensor for the table edge.
@@leonmusk1040I have tried and tried and tried to decode your nonsense that’s where I’m drawing the line. I can’t tell if you just forgot a bunch of punctuation or you’re using terms without knowing their meaning or a combination of the two. “My cnc vinyl cutter robot a scalpel servo on Omni wheel robot”…
Forget everything I said. All I want to know is: wtf is a meat detector?
"Bragging in binary" ahhahahah
A Tesla with FSD vs. a Waymo would be a lot more interesting.
Let's have an autonomous Cybertruck on a dirt course with jumps too.
Omg the humor was just relentless! I loved it! Nice serious words too towards the end. I'm a fan.
LOL, that was the funniest thing I've seen in ages. Reckon I could have burned those 'race cars' in a Reliant Robin!
It's almost as if the technology is still half baked but everyone's desperately trying to push this as the next "big thing" in order to secure more VC to keep their money pit research companies afloat.
Sorry, must have 4 wheels to compete in this class.
no 33 taking a lead at turn 5 on the last lap. got to love that.
Just stunning and brave watching F1 cars driving 120 MPH slower than than can go. I mean he passes coming out of a corner yet neither car looked like they were accelerating. Just put remote controls and have million dollar RC cars. Would be more enjoyable than whatever this was.
A dump truck is closer to an F1 car than these things
Idk, the comedic value was golden 😂. Probably would get old fast though to sit through a whole race like that though.
FPV cars controlled by a person would be a lot more exciting then this.
Why is this even a thing ?
@@evanm2570An F1 car is a series of tubes, not a dump truck.
Great reality check on both autonomous driving and current state of AI in general too
Ruddy pathetic. Coming to a road near you apparently, can't wait.....
2-3 months is criminally not enough to produce a half-decent product, and the fact that they even managed to do this says a lot about the kind of talent available that wasn't allowed to show itself. The code for something like this would be tens or even hundreds of thousands of lines long, and even writing something like that is an immense task in itself, not to mention debugging it and going through integration hell to put it into the car. Here I was shitting on it myself until I heard they did this in 2 months, then my opinion completely flipped. 2 minutes round a track that F1 cars do in 1:25 isn't too far off, especially in slower cars. Hopefully the organisers hold it again properly in a year, this time giving the teams EVERY SINGLE SECOND THEY CAN to make sure that it's actually a good event to watch.
You can do 2 minutes in this track using a 100hp hatchback. Theres nothing impressive about it. Specially when 2 minutes was just the best qualifying lap, and there were others lagging 8 minutes behind
If they can't get a handful of cars going the same direction around a track, how could we possibly let autonomous cars loose in our cities with everything that goes on day to day, it'll be a blood bath.
Self driving technology has been around for some years now, so this is just building on something that already existed. Here's a video of a Roborace car from 6 years ago. th-cam.com/video/QtVbch-02Fs/w-d-xo.html
This farce of a 'race' shows that this self driving racing is as crap as I expected it to be. Utterly pointless.
@GraveUypo if you can get me a video of someone doing Yas Marina in 2 minutes in a 100hp hatchback I'll edit my comment and add whatever you want me to say to the end of it
@eroffroad5438 because self driving technology today isn't done in 2 months, and has to deal with cars that are either travelling in roughly the same direction at roughly the same speeds in predefined areas (which makes the code a lot more simple) or going at less than a quarter of the speed, giving the computer way more time to make an accurate decision. And again, a decade of work compared to 2 months.
Honestly, as hilarious that whole debacle was, it's still kind of impressive they managed to build something that can finish a lap and even overtake with that kind of time crunch. Definitely have the potential, but suffering the same disease of overpromise underdeliver.
No it isn't. Look at Japanese autonomous fighting robots, they make these cars look pathetic and have been about forever
Potential for what? Who wants to see a bunch of robots race ob a track? Who gives a damn which robot wins? 😴
@@03056932 well that's why i mentioned the overpromise and underdeliver. I'm not well-versed in either side of the automation but i can only assume that they both have unique challenges in which the autonomous racing scene has not yet matured as opposed to the robot fighting scene. At least, i believe within the novelty and time crunch of the scene, it's still quite a feat.
@@LRM12o8 I mean the difference is one is a robotic driver, the other isn't. I think what killed the fun is knowing that it's an AI driving the car even when most of what i believe the entertainment on the race track is the car go whoosh part of it, and AI "kills" the vibe. But ultimately, i still feel the entertainment part of it is still seeing the cars go racing. Or maybe i'm just overselling the idea to the wrong audience.
Got to start somewhere.
OH MAN! 🤣🤣🤣 So many one liners that I cant pick one fav. I like your style so much I subscribed halfway through the video and Ive never seen anything by you before. "To brag in BINARY" had me rolling around the floor. Hilarious. Some true TH-cam Excellence in this video well done you. Abs BRILLIANT!!!
My friend from JPL basically quotes his superiors here. "For a human to do a task, you just tell the guy 'do thing.' For a robot to do a task, you need millions of dollars, weeks of scale simulation and testing, and it will also suck at doing the task compared to a human."
How long do you think professional F1 drivers train for?
0:34 into the video, you didnt have to do Kvyat so dirty 💀
I'm not too worried about AI taking over the world at this point....
Have you not seen the new ChatGPT-4o ?
Say me ur stupid without saying your stupid.
Succes!
It's just a matter of time, remember this reply
@@WizCreates Genuinely not that impressed. It can do some cool things, but boy you hit the limits fast if you go looking for them.
@@M3rVsT4H I think the rate AI is progressing is both impressive and scary. We’re still a long way from a true sentient digital consciousness yet. But this Autonomous Motor Sport currently, makes it look like we’re going backwards lol.
Lol truly fantastic video mate. Had me laughing so hard. Best F1 race I've seen in years. 😂
the kvyat roasting was too much! Love it
Car numbered after the number of races hes won 💀
That was a savage roast
AI: "if I crash this stupid car I can go home early with that tasty looking laptop. Right, I'm outta here, yippykaahyeay muthafu..."
I can imagine a 20 AI car race being watched by 100,000 AI persons at a race track. Got to be a future in that.
Man you made my day with that ending XD
WHY is there a determination for AI to drive my Car, I enjoy driving
90% of cars on roads do not, they just commute from one point to other. And they are huuuuuumans, they do stupidiest errors, make huge pileup in 100% safe conditions, squash the whole school class when trying to reach water bottle (yes, Greenacres school) and so on. So theoretically autonomous cars have great advantage in everything - speed, traffic dencity, safety, independency of human stupidity, booze and drugs, bad mood and fatigue.
If my van would have ability to switch to autonomous drive on highways and other main roads it would be great advantage, saving me lot of time, money and risks. Drive Sydney-Adelaide, 1400km, takes 24h instead of 15 and incures significant risks as I can not be 100% vigilant without any errors and distractions. And kangaroo problem easily solved with proper bullbar.
The problem is that our beloved government 110% will make cars not autonomous, but government-controlled. Do not go there, do not accelerate here, your carbon emission in this month exceeded so no ride at all, you are obliged to give a ride to this vulnerable illegal immigrant and so on.
@@antontsau So why not just have trams or trains? We don't need a load of 'AI' powered machines from rival manufacturers all sharing the same space on a busy road.
@@SilverfoxJB because tram or train can not travel from point to point, only from station to station, and can be private space which is always near user, ready for his personal use. Car - can.
30 km on highway train can do even better,, 5 km in suburb and 5 km in city - no way at all. Including public transport, not only cars. See Adelaide OBahn, "rails for buses", stoneage version of such a self-driving car. The same bus, without any transfer, crawls on city and suburb streets, but 15 km in the middle it flies 90 km/h with driver do not touching steering will at all. Yes, its suitable for buses only, but if make similar electronic control on dedicated highway lanes cars could do the same.
Push down labour costs, simple as that.
to enslave you
AI cars will drive people to "camps"
1:50 lmao I subbed for that edit
Omg that was awesome (your commentary)... lol. I find it impressive that they can even program IRL AI to drive on track... and find it even MORE impressive that we trust AI to drive our cars on REAL HIGHWAYS after seeing this.
Nice work!!
That was funny, embarrassing, and impressive all in one go.
2 Months to program a car to do that when you consider all the lights, extra lanes, and everything else that's going on around the track and cars actaully made a full lap, that is impressive.
Thanks for showing this, keep up the good work.
I would imagine here will be a good leap forward for the next race, the teams will have gathered a lot of information and feedback from this race, which they will them use to improve the control of the cars.
I wonder how well a Tesla would do around one of these circuits?
Catch fire, probably.
The probably trained it on onboard footage and TV cameras. Nothing is like zooming down a straight in person and also vibration and g forces
Impressive how a 6 years old could beat all of them
"Gathered a lot of information from the race " this is not how AI works. This is how intelligence works. Very different. Read about AI
@@turnipsociety706 "the teams will have gathered a lot of information". They're not talking about AI here, but the people building it.
I want Mahaveer Ragunathan to participate in round 2. Im pretty optimistic his pace is strong enough to fight for a podium.
Heck, even Mr. Bean has a chance at pole position against these things.
Mr Bean is actually a part time racing driver
Love the thrashy metal accompanying the snail-esque blue car. LOL!!
Bro the silence with the still cars, then the rock for the super slow but moving car, that was the greatest thing I’ve ever seen and I’m still laughing about it because it just stopped anyways.
i actually feel bad for the Ai . it's like seeing a toddler being told to do something like build a house or make dinner.
the Ai are trying their best but are clearly in a much too early stage for something like this
That's like being thrown in a cage with a starving Tiger and feeling sorry for it.
@@chilli-soup no it's like seeing a hungry kitten in a cage next to a tiny bit cracked open can of food and watching the kitten cry being unable to open it further to eat.
This was pretty hilarious, but admittedly pretty cool as a proof of concept. All of the software stuff can be worked out over time and if it is, this could actually become something pretty interesting to watch in the near future.
We are all laughing now, but just look at the beginning of smartphones then and now.........
Agreed
Seriously! Nobody wants to see robot race cars robot racing! AI nerds have no business in auto racing!
All well and good if you have limitless petro dollars to piss up against the wall with circus acts like these.
and who paid for them to do this? think critically about why this tech is even being explored/funded.
BROOO, I haven't laughed this hard in a while. This was pure comedy! 🤣🤣🤣
3:32 No one will notice if we put a real driver in the car. Lets find an f1 driver who has time.
- Okay I found this guy named Mazepin...
Just a reminder that back in the day AI couldn't win a chess game, now it can't loose
hahaha this is exactly how i felt watching this live and trying to explain how sad it was to my friends. thank you for capturing the experience perfectly
I just don't get why no one did long runs... like at this point dont focus on pace just consistency
"Amateur hour with AI racing" is probably a more fitting name for this event 😂
the point of racing is NOT JUST THE CARS..its to see who is the best HUMAN DRIVER...thats what we relate to
In all honesty, what they accomplished is impressive. The issue is they hyped it up too much. Its nit ready for a stage like this. Now, it will take even longer because it will probably get pulled from existance.
Lol, as soon as I typed this out, you said the same thing in the video 😂.
Cheers mate
People who think LLMs are a road to machine sentience dont understand two key and basic concepts 1) statistics, bc thats what models like Chatgp are based on, and 2) the point of diminishing returns. Its like putting of 10lbs of mussel when you start training for a year and thinking in 5 more years your going to put on 50 more lbs.
Yeah a LLMs (Large Language Model) is probably not driving those cars, although based on how they did it could be a chat bot driving 😂 It'll be some other deep neural network based model that didn't have enough training data
How do you know your entire consciousness is not just statistics?
@@wiredvibe1678 Very simple: we can learn from experiences. LLMs use large data bases to predict what the next words will be based on the previous ones. If you feed it a text that explicitely states that and why a particular sequence of words it used is false, for example because the LLM is unknowingly referencing something like a meme, it will not be able to learn from that at all. It can not contextualize information, it can not learn what sarcasm, references or parodies are. Sure it can repeat definitions for those things, but it can't recognize them and therefore can not distinguish between true and false statements, it doesn't even have a concept of what that difference means or why it might be important.
Also if consciousness was as simple as this, we would have figured out consciousness decades ago, so that's how we know that.
@@creativedesignation7880 I'm pretty sure we can contextualize an experience as a statistic, and then "learning from an experience" could be defined as adjusting the output of your behavior based on the input... I don't see how you have shown that we are not just a really complicated statistical model.
Your brain computes "mere statistics".
I'm not here to pee on anyone's techno-bonfire or spoil the fun, but it seems to me that, however good AI racing gets, the thing it will always lack is passion.
A human driver CARES about his task. He's struggled up the motor racing ladder to get where he longed to be as a kid, and sitting behind the wheel really, really matters to him.
A car can be programmed, but it can't be programmed to care with any kind of authenticity. Red mist, anyone? Revenge? Grudges? Personality conflicts? Ego? Pride? Motorsport is all about passion, and you can't fake passion. Or, at least, that's what my ex-boyfriend believed. 🤭
The driver doesnt sit in the car, they are the ones developing the Coding, and they still care just as much.
@foersterjunior but you, the audience, don't get to see any of the drama and struggles the programmers went through to make their faceless bot race, so why do you think the audience will care?
That just sentence had me screaming
It entirely fails to fit any of the definition elements for the word 'sport'.
This is one of the greatest things I’ve seen in over 20 years of Grand Prix Racing
Why don't you just watch the F1 PlayStation game instead, that might better suit what you deem as racing 🙄
@@Ricardofromagesomeone didn't understand sarcasm
@@davidscann no, he meant it. Sadly, morons will welcome this and actual motorsports will die a death.
As technical practice, this is really neat. Has a long way to go till it's nearly as good as the real deal, but only time will tell if this bears any racing fruit. These are students and engineers working with new tech, creating new idea's and learning. Failure and learning go hand and hand. Honestly there are some existing players in the smart car world that did take notice, and might help better fund and support these folks in future races or demos. I'm also surprised Formula E is not kicking around with the AI car's. Maybe one day they will also race those funny robot dogs as well.
Very optimistic making the cars look like they are capable of 250mph.
To be fair, this was a lot more entertaining than normal F1...
Compare the results of the 2004 DARPA Challenge with the results of the 2005 edition. It is not easy to guess how slowly or how fast things will improve.
Or compare Tesla's FSD from 2023 with Tesla's FSD now in 2024. Years of slow-and-steady improvements in AI driving, and then suddenly with 12.3.x, a huge leap forward.
I think perfecting the ai and having them race the best car you could build, that isn’t held back by the limits of g force a driver could handle would be pretty cool
This becomes that over time
"As a special tribute to Kvyat they even put his number of race wins on his car (00)" 😂
You deserve so many more subs. The dry humor is hilarious 😂😂😂
The problem is being overlooked, the drivers are Siri and Alexa, if it was Tom and Fred there wouldn’t have been any issues
YOOOOO, that fireworks show was the BEST that I’ve EVER seen on video. Can’t imagine how awesome it must have been in person. The “race” was a joke, but that display was absolutely amazing! 😎
What's the purpose? Who wants to see robots racing each other? Without the human factor what is racing about?
No idea, I'm wondering the same thing!
I kinda like the idea of a coding battle, but that's because I'm a software developer. It doesn't have to be racing, but racing offers interesting problems of computer vision and physics in a relatively controlled environment, so I'd probably watch this more than, say, a robot football match.
@fabioguggeri325 I agree. I must admit, considering they only had two months to do this, they did a good job.
It was a massive mistake to make this a public event though. They just shot themselves in the foot when it comes to events of this kind and scale.
Competition accelerates development. A Motorrace is a pretty good controlled environment to test real life application of software and robotics. Every team having a different AI is like have different drivers, it is not like everyone has the same code or problem solutions, so if this is going to be fleshed out more, it can get really interesting.
It's a technology race, just like F1. The difference is that they are developing the racing AI, where in F1 they're developing the car and the technology around that. Same with Formula E, developing battery and other EV tech.
This is a Monty Python-esque display of silliness.
I remember probably close to 10 years ago now I randomly came across an Autonomous Vehicle Challenge competition in Vegas or something which was broadcast live, where different universities/companies were competing to drive around a road network, with dirt roads, rough roads etc.
Every car had essentially a giant roof box of sensors, cameras, and everything needed to make it move by itself and they were all either stationary, rolling an inch before braking and repeating over and over or driving 3km/h.
The fact that the technology has reached the point where they can be "raced" on a track is nothing short of amazing, the fact that this has all been compacted down into the size/weight of an F1 car is even more brilliant.
This doesnt really detract from the technology, it gives the technology a much larger audience, and it gives universities and companies the ability to realise that maybe it is something they can accomplish better than the current competition.
If they werent allowed to race until every bug was worked out it would possibly be another decade, however, letting the wider public see what we can do right now drives interest.
It's still ongoing - the Indy Autonomous Challenge. They even raced in Monza last year.
It is really cool from a technological and engineering perspective, but for racing, this is nonsense. I couldn’t think of anything more boring than watching a bunch of robots drive around a track autonomously. If humans aren’t involved then there are no stakes for anyone. The technology is great but it should be used for automating dangerous and monotonous things such as loading/unloading cargo ships or driving freight trucks. Racing is a wasted application for this.
@@michaeletzel4877 I think you’re missing quite a lot of things.
If humans aren’t involved it doesn’t change anything; greyhound racing, RC racing, pigeon racing, marble racing and even battle bots.
People don’t care about a human in the car, they will watch regardless.
Rather autonomous racing focuses on the team itself as they need to not only build the car but create an AI capable of racing, these teams are putting hundreds or even thousands of hours into the car, and they all want to get the win, just like F1, NASCAR, WRC, all have massive teams in the background.
And yes autonomous vehicles are best suited to roles like mines, trucking, buses, taxis. But like with all other forms of motorsport, the technology that is developed by these teams will be repackaged and used in a wide range of uses, and racing these in competitions will see this technology develop faster as people have something to look to achieve.
@@LCaddyStudios I’ll agree that autonomous racing will probably find an audience but it will be minuscule compared to the number of people that enjoy (human) F1, just like the audiences of all of those alternatives you mentioned. Perhaps autonomous racing could become its own thing but if human drivers ever disappear entirely I think motorsport as a whole will be much less popular than it currently is.
@@michaeletzel4877 have you actually looked at how popular battle bots are?
They’re amazingly successful and an extremely lucrative industry
So, Daniel was showing the flaws of AI "drivers"?
Slower than a kid in Forza.
Or your senior next door neighbour who you offer a turn and he selects a fucking van and proceeds to drive around a 100 lap circuit @ 50km/h.
I think it has promise. Though not in lower formula cars, but in purpose built machines that can go well in excess of f1 cars. I think the idea of cars going in excess of 300 or 400 mph ( or more) around well known circuits might be very appealing to viewers and sponsors alike. Thus also teams willing to make the monsters in the first place.
Yeah but who guarantees the safety of the personnel near track if a crash happened at 400 mph lol
@@tiberazur3 just free styling here. What if we ousted the personal and had robots to clean the track and what not ( how hard could it be.😆 )Or maybe it could be like old Leman and if a car crashes or fails just leave it there and have the other cars have to navigate it. As for fans saftey you could always move them back from alongside the track. Or I get the feeling a barrier could be engineered to contain app debris or cars from entering the stands.
guy from the left at 8:24 is walking faster than the only car left in the race lmao
I have a feeling @Thunderf00t would love this fully autonomous self-driving.
This had potential. But start with less expensive scale models. Perfect it, then bring it to real size.
They should flat out run races like this with Civics or Corollas. The slowest current models. The cars could then actually be holding at the edge in the turns vs going 1/8th their actual capabilities.
Yea more potential to be a lot funnier
2 months in not fair timeline. In only 2 months AI could finish the whole lap without crashing is an achievement. Give it a year and train the model properly and see the result. How AI could make an overtake off the racing line when it isn’t even trained for that.
Exactly. These teams had 2 months to develop a code they could only properly run for the first time during the event weekend, having to perform tasks they had no way to train the code for in advance. Just the fact they managed to get laps done is impressive, let alone the fastest laps being at the 2 minutes mark.
People keep throwing sh1ts at the participants only because they have zero idea what it takes to achieve some meaningful result here, but I'm impressed and looking forward to much improved round 2, as the teams now finally have some relevant data and experience to improve their AI drivers.
Good question. How do you train an AI to take the risk of a ‘fatal’ crash vs not bothering to go fast at all and adapt to different track conditions and other drivers. Extremely challenging
by far the most exciting F1 race ive ever seen period, way more exciting than the entire last decade of F1, if this is what it takes to make F1 exciting im 100% for it!!!!
I think this is actually really cool. I have experienced plenty of projects going through the extremely unrefined ugly first stages similar to this. Given time and resources, I’m sure they can make these robots quite formidable.
You guys are not true racing fans. The thrill of the race is watching drivers make mistakes and seeing others capitalize on it. This had that in spades! This was the greatest race ever.
AI studied Nikita Mazepin and did a perfect recreation of his F1 career.
“No! Mikey, that is not right!” Got me good. Great video
They can’t even make this work on a closed track. Meanwhile, people are doom scrolling on their iPhones while their fully autonomous Tesla rolls around on public roads!!!
"Fully autonomous Tesla" being a very misleading marketing term, but tech bros don't care...
world's most nervous man: "don't let them know it's an AI out of GTA"
"at a brisk 15 mph, we made our way SAFELY through space"
Motorsport since first introduced be:
1. Be fun to watch
2. Be impressive
3. Showing off
AI race:
1. Being tedious ✅️
2. All that tech and HW, still slower than grandma in a first-gen prius ✅️
Video game AI is so damn sophisticated and then we see this....😮
Game AI has barely improved in 20 years. Can you name 3 games with "sophisticated" AI from 2010 or later?
This is just the natural progression of formula 1 getting safer over the years. 😊
The Racing League slogan should be “ADARL, That’s not gone well straight away.”
The fact hailey had the number 33 on it makes this flashback even more ptsd inducing
Its like chess or tool assisted speedruns. Eventually you won't be able to beat AI.
This isn't AI and that's the big lie.
This is just basic script. There's no AI here.
A true intelligence will recognize a goal for their needs/desire as a motivation and will act sapient as a result.
As it stands, these AI Engineers are just bad script writers who couldn't code a Mod on Warcraft 3 using 2005 mapping tools.
To be honest, this is far more entertaining than watching F1 Cars being driven by humans 😂
Honestly it is a mess but I think as long as it stays a league of its own it could be a cool competition as its about perfecting your AI and your car.
I also watched this and felt that the cars/technology just wasn't ready for prime time. I do think that they will improve as time goes on an the AI gains experience.
Let’s hope they don’t because nobody wants this to succeed or to watch it if it were to.