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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2020
- Finn is one of the most wasted characters in the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy.
This video essay is an analysis of Finn's character arc, and how he and Rey Skywalker should have been written.
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A former child soldier should not have been the goofy comedy relief, no matter how much Disney wanted to kowtow to Chinese markets and the Reylos.
I mean, both Finn and Rey could have slowly developed a quirky goofy sense of humor over the course of the 3 films. Abused kids can definitely lead a normal life, we just need to see that character growth.
@@DarthdYT That’s the key word: “development”. Disney seemed allergic to letting characters develop. Rey especially since they refuse to let her show weakness or fail enough to make development necessary.
John Boyega's casting was problematic for the character. The Finn and Rey love subplot probably wouldn't have been abandoned if it were another actor playing him.
@@virgogaming6488 I absolutely agree- but I don’t think that romance between Finn and Rey should’ve existed in the first place. Regardless of who the actors are. They both should’ve had their own separate journeys- Rey should’ve been able to do her own thing without being put into a relationship with anybody else. And Finn should also have had his own journey- I think he could’ve been single or ended up in a relationship, as long as he still had his own arch and that relationship wasn’t shoehorned in. He was both relegated to the sidelines, and shoehorned into a forced and awkward relationship with another character. I just don’t understand the obsession with putting every movie character into a relationship.
@@jacobm6617 I think Jannah should have been introduced in The Last Jedi instead of Rose if they were going to give Finn a love interest that compliments him and his cause instead of Rey. It was too little too late for Finn's arc in The Rise of Skywalker when they tried to get back on track with his story as it was wasted in the prior film.
Something to note: Vader never abused the Stormtroopers, he killed officers that wasted trooper lives out of greed for political power or revealing their incompetence that would cost trooper lives. The Stormtroopers were actually very loyal to Vader because he treated them very well and he stood up to the officers that were untouchable by the soldiers for them. Giving the soldiers better commanders who would better utilize them.
Yeah, I know I said multiple times how well they were generally treated but I guess I didn't specifically point out Vader, good call.
Honestly I think Vader prefer clone troopers of his 501st legion more than the stormtroopers.
In the comics he did kill more than a few clones out of anger right after he became Vader though.
@@georgespiggott5615 would surprise me if he never had tbh
And sometimes killed a perfectly good clone officer in the process.
Finn as a Force-sensitive Stormtrooper, eh? Like... a knight? A Knight... of Ren, even?
Lol exactly. You may not have made it to that part but I explained how Finn being a trooper enhances every other character, including giving the Knights actual agency in the story.
"Have Finn teach Rey about the force, and in turn, she teaches him how to survive without the military"
GENIUS!!! Sheer GENIUS!!!
That would have made for a good story and having them both learn from Luke would have been great. They could have gone on separate ways in the second movie with Finn and Poe finding Lando and Wedge and reinforcements. And Rey could be with Leia fighting off Kylo as his fleet chases them instead of it being about fuel management.
Them being each other's mentor would create a lasting bond.
They would know each other's weaknesses, and protect each other from anything that would do their loved ones harm.
There was potential for a naturally developed romance that wouldn't feel forced nor contrived.
However, their love for each other is also a weakness (something the darkside loves to exploit). Both Finn and Rey have the potential to be captured (or killed). This severely reduces rationale, and the fate of the entire Resistance could have been thrown in jeopardy because of it.
Finn could have been expendable for the sake of plot... instead of being expendable because he's overlooked by writers.
It's a wonderful idea. Always thought they should have been the main couple not Reylo.
Another example to the writer knowing all characters backstorys even if it isn't in the movie. Christopher lee did an interview saying how george lucas had 5 pages of backstory for the character even though there was little of it onscreen. That emotion clearly came across on screen
Exactly! I need to find that interview, I haven't seen it.
@@DarthdYT I have only seen it on clips from there youtubers. He also claims in the interview that he did do the fight with yoda it wasn't all cgi. Just another cool line
The fact that they ruined the idea of a defecting storm tropper amazes me
Would have loved to see Rey done correctly too. So much lost potential. And that's just the brand new characters, I couldn't care less about ST Luke/Han/Leia and that's beyond amazing since they basically carried the OT.
@@DarthdYT it's really sad, ever since I saw the prequels I always questioned why so many of the new stormtroopers went along with it, only the EU touched that topic so when I saw it on the screen I was hopeful of seeing something done with it.
What we got was disappointment as they freed the animals but let the slave kids to rot in capitalism allegory planet.
I don't think I can put my disappointment into words without cursing
@@DisasterLord ditto, I have to constantly force myself not to go on angry rants like a few other TH-camrs do regarding the st 😅😔
they ruined literally everything. the bad things got worse, the good things also got worse
@@michaelwerkov3438 lol that actually gave me a funny idea for making a fake commercial for the ST.
I find it hilarious that fan rewrites of the sequels like yours, improves them tremendously. It's yet further proof that the sequels' writing needed way more cooking time.
I'm not sure having more time would have even been enough. Nobody involved had a desire to tell a deep story that set up a complex EU like the previous 2 trilogies established. I think with more time, each specific film's story may have been tightened up, but still would have been overall failures in growing the brand.
@@DarthdYT so sad, so true….JJ unfortunately wasn’t the man to guide Star Wars. Yes he does pretty films, but it’s like a lovely paint job on a banger
@@-MrFozzy- I've said elsewhere that I'd love to have seen JJ as the Director of Photography. I loved how he did everything, same with Star Trek, but his creative decisions needed a guiding hand.
Yeah the main thing is that each film had a different creative vision behind it. And unfortunately the way Disney planned this trilogy left it doomed to fail. JJ was given the job to make the first third of a story and so he wasn't really attached to any of the character's or their stories otherwise he would want full creative control of what happens to them in sequential films. The Star Wars trilogies are 1 story told in three parts and the sequel trilogy is one story with a different writer with a different vision for every act. Every story is trying to say something. The OT and PT have consistent theming throughout every film. The ST is just a mess.
@@plustico2846 The series was doomed to fail the moment it was sold to the soul-less "praise be to the mighty dollar, profit before passion!" Mega-company that is disney.
You're talking about a franchise with Tolkien levels of worldbuilding, where the fantastic, magical world (or in this case Entire Galaxy!) full of wonder, whimsy, strange creatures and amazing powers is as much a draw to the audience as the personal stories told within and throughout it.
That doesn't happen without a very imaginative and creative person at the helm, with PASSION to tell the SOUL of THEIR story.
Thats why, for all their flaws. The prequels still FEEL like star wars. They tell us more about the world, the characters and the overall plot.
I can imagine a childlike glee on Lucas's face if you asked him to tell you "The story of The Star Wars." And I don't think that sparkle in his eye would have changed if you asked him a age 8 or 80.
Can you imagine that same excitement on the faces of a bunch of boardroom executives, or corperate writiers, who are only there because it's their job?
I didn't, I haven't, and I can't.
Finn is especially frustrating to me. I read the _Before the Awakening_ book to my son before _The Force Awakens_ came out, and I was so hyped for the Finn presented in that book. In _Before The Awakening,_ Finn is at the top of his cadet trooper class, Phasma’s pride and star student. He is the perfect stormtrooper, except for his warm, merciful heart. Time and again, he goes off-mission to help less skilled troopers, including the comrade whose blood gets on Finn’s helmet in the beginning of TFA. It is the voice of the Force within him that staves off the darkness and keeps him from becoming a brutal slayer.
...aaaand then I watched the movie. After the first 30 minutes, it was obvious that the backstory book story arc and the movie story arc for Finn never would never intersect. Like aspect of the Sequels, every single story was approached separately, without any overarching story for each chapter or episode to nestle into. It is so extremely frustrating that a company that literally has all of the resources a project could possibly need shows such blatant disregard for character building, worldbuilding, or the overarching story universe that their tales are theoretically being woven into.
Wow, great details Max, thanks. I hadn't heard anyone talk about that book, that's a great first hand explanation. And about the failure of Disney to build a cohesive universe, yeah, it's mind boggling. What actually makes the most sense is the rumors of power struggles within the company to replace Iger when he retired so the SW theme park and franchise were somehow sabotaged to take those corporate leaders out of the running. Sounds too crazy but people had gathered enough pieces of evidence to make me wonder...
That makes a lot of depressing sense, @@DarthdYT. Star Wars is just a revenue stream to a lot of the Disney top brass, and so there is - to fans - shockingly little thought to story cohesion and an overarching meta narrative beyond what market research says will sell to the broadest audience. So we get Instagram friendly, finger-nail-deep pop culture woke-washing, but no real investment in the character motivations. It's all to show profit ASAP, not a long-term investment that will continue to pay dividends over the next several decades.
The _Before the Awakening_ book is... fine. It's targeted at 8-12 year olds, so you can probably just burn through it in an hour or two if you ever want to read it. If not, the Star Wars Fandom Wiki page does a fine summary. And yes, that book is designated part of the Disney Canon, so the character swings between the book and the movies are particularly discombobulating. Just further proof that there was zero lateral sharing between creative teams, and everyone was working from top-down directives. The book presents Finn as a ready-made badass with a heart of gold, gives some bits of plausibility as to why Rey is good at starship repair and piloting, and establishes Poe as a good leader, ace pilot, and intelligence operative.
@@MaxWellenstein my biggest point of shock in all of this, is the fact that the MCU was run so well. 20 something films with storylines that tied together, all leading up to a combined climax? How in the world can another subdivision of the same parent company so badly miss out on a tried and tested filmmaking process? 😤
@@DarthdYT It’s clear that Disney fast-tracked the trilogy to get their $4 billion back from buying out Lucasfilm. They probably figured the movies would be money printers regardless of quality. Despite the overall box office of the trilogy, they’re still in the hole accounting for initial buyout, combined movie budgets, and construction of the SW Disney park expansions. They done goofed hard.
@@AgentMaryland a really shocking move on their part to go into Star Wars without a plan, but so very carefully plan out 20+ superhero movies which were historically kind of a joke.
Also I love the idea that Rey's anger and pain are what made her strong in the dark! And HOLY SHIT finn as a knight of ren is amazing
Right?!
I love both those ideas so much, very glad I had that talk with happy about Rey and the dark side,I hadn't thought about it prior.
Your analysis of Rey's hunger and the lack of exploration past the first act of TFA is eye-opening as Rey, by my observation, eats not a single bite for the rest of the trilogy. I feel like a good character building moment between Rey and Han/Chewie could be a dinner scene where she's stuffing her face and Han's says something like "Easy there kiddo, you eat nearly as much as this fuzzball!" and she has a little moment to have light embarrassment but also happiness at being able to taste food that isn't some grey soufflé from a slug guy. Only 3/4 through but just had to bring that up.
Thanks! And yeah, I had an entire section devoted to food in my video on Rey and I said the same thing, she'd be stuffing her face and stealing/hoarding food everywhere she went.
Awesome work!! John Boyega deserved so much better.
Thanks George!
Came in not expecting much, but gosh darn this is some class entertainment.
Thanks a bunch Myel :)
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I've never felt more used for my money,or more disrespected for how insulting the only black male hero character was treated in this trilogy.
He went from A POTENTIAL JEDI KNIGHT,guided by the force to escape the life a Child soldier of of the first order,into the most emasculated character in the entire trilogy. I've never seen a character with this much promise,treated so disrespectfully due to his race,and more importantly,HIS GENDER.
All I wanted to see was a Black Jedi Knight that was Equal in strength, development,and Heroic qualities as Rey. Not only that,why do I feel like they aren't as truly progressive as they say when they aren't willing to show a Black Man and white woman relationship? I cant be the only one who saw that being teased throughout the Force Awakens,and then RJ dropped it along with any development for Finn.
Forcetrooper Finn is awesome
If you think that's bad, watch my video on the hidden misogyny/racism in the ST. It's pretty shocking all the examples people have collected and I did my best to catalog them all in one video.
And yeah, Forcetrooper Finn could have set up some amazing character moments, especially with Kylo.
Thanks for watching!
@@DarthdYT that's the video I discovered your channel. I agree with alot of your points made in that video.
@@dominiqueodom3099 sorry, it's getting really difficult to keep track of who's commented/watched which video 😏
I feel like it would have been badass if after Kylo dragged Finn's spine, he got back up with glowing eyes and Force yeeted him across the chasm, then snapped backed to himself like "wtf how did I do that"
But I ain't writin it for em 😹
Dude. You got lucky. Imagine how white fans felt.
No, white male main character, the only white characters are either evil (Kylo Ren, Hux) or old (Han and Luke).
What’s worse, we didn’t even get to see Luke’s son who should have been the main character of the sequels.
Really, if you think black fans had it tough that’s nothing compared to what white fans went through.
You created such a more compelling story here. I was so ready for Finn to become a Jedi, maybe pull Rey back from the dark side. And then they ruined it.
Thanks Sai!
I would have loved if, in Episode 9, an armored Finn, carrying a green lightsaber (we didn't have that lightsaber color in this trilogy) led the army of 1st Order Stormtroopers (which he would have converted and were now fighting for the light side) in an all-out assault against the Sith Troopers from the Final Order.
Considering the FO had like 13 million or something bad guys (if you count the supposed crew of lal those ships) then they had plenty to chew through as Jedi can. I'd picture that like the Infinity War fights, the good guys are way stronger, there's just tons of enemies.
The Templin Institute also did a fine reimagining of the Sequel Trilogy, and their version of the First Order included a branch called the Ashar Karat, a Sith cult filled with force sensitives that functioned like the Sith warriors and acolytes of old. Finn leading the charge against them would have been amazing.
The way John Boyega was treated on and off screen is criminal, he truly deserved so much better.
Given Finn‘s stated backstory in the movie he should have had all the habits and traits of soldier all through the movies.
Instead of a bumbling buffoon, he sold have been focused, discipline and deadly. He sold by constantly checking and maintaining his gear and weapons. He should stand at attention when introduced to characters like Leigha whom he would interpret as being of superior rank. And so on...
Nothing in the movies’ treatment of the character actual suggest he was raised to be soldier. If someone missed the first 15 minutes of the film, they would never guess that was his background.
Contrast this with the characterization of Luke as a wholesome farm boy, something that plays a keen role in explaining his optimistic, earnestness.
Finn was badly wasted.
Shannon, great point I wish I'd thought to include! Especially that bit about him trying to salute Leia as their General, that would have been a great character moment and led to some actual development.
Sometimes I think we don't deserve these videos, you invest so much time and money into these for us and get minimal in return. This is one of the best video essays that might change people's perspective for the sequels. Hell Disney should be paying you to promote there half effort films. Wish I could become your patron but I'm not employed yet :-(
Your comments always brighten my day billy, thanks!
And you can be just as helpful by being a promoter for the channel. YT is being pretty slow about recommending me, it seems most growth has been through people sharing and getting their friends to watch.
Poor, poor poooor JB…such a great actor who tried and gave so much to his character I unfortunately, I dislike his character, but that is by no means anything to do with him. He actually elevated his character to unbearably meh. He deserved so much better! So do we know if they are trained ‘from birth’ or is that a point made to over state how loyal they are?
I would have LOVED if Rey started out just strong massively untrained…just raw because of her past….and gradually loses strength in the force as she learns to control, and as she starts to heal from Finn and her friends….or something like that….would have been so much more interesting than the massive upward curve of strength we got with zero flaws
I've said it for years that the second biggest problems the sequels had was the shallowness of the characters. They simply do not behave as their backstories would sugest, they just became generic adventure movie characters with almost no depth. Rey should've been an urchin and Finn very dysfunctional and unfamiliar with non regimented life. And the story should've flowed from there.
Exactly. Flashy story is fun but the basics have to be solid.
Imagine if Rey was left on Jakku on purpose, not to hide her, but to make her life as miserable as possible, so later, when Palpatine will need her, she'd be filled with enough pain and anger to be a perfect vessil.
😲Never heard that one. Cool idea 👍
"Yeah but we cant have the black guy macking on the white girl."
-Disney, probably
I was more of a proponent of FinnxPoe, but these two analysis and some others have me a little more in the FinnxRey camp. Honestly, I am just so disappointed with what we got considering what we could have had.
Great analysis, thank you for showing the perspective story background and structure. I feel like I learned a ton from this.
Thank you, very glad you enjoyed it! And yeah, after looking at Rey's backstory in the other video essay, I really think the most logical way for the two characters to change from hurting selfish loners into heroes was via the romantic route. Which oddly enough, the script actually has some of the things I mentioned, like when Finn holds out his hand to help Rey, the script says she's shocked because no one ever tried to help her before. But then the video gives us the line "stop trying to hold my hand". It's like the initial meaning of the script was totally changed.
The only character that made me want to watch the movies (you know before they slaughtered his character). I know before I put what I'd do with characters in general but I want to add what I'd do specifically with Finn. Due to his upbringing in the strict and brutal First Order, Finn has constant moments of self-doubt, can't recognize when someone is trying to genuinely compliment, has no idea what humor is, and flinches when someone yells at him but as time goes on and he develops real friendships he learns to not assume that everyone is secretly out to get him and rely on others.
Seems like they didn't want to go too realistic with either he or Rey's characters. No actual long term trauma like we saw with older Obi-Wan.
@@DarthdYT Well, this is Disney. Gotta keep it "for kids".
It would have been interesting if Phasma was an abusive mother figure allegory to Finn and his arc concludes with facing her after he overcomes his character shackles as a full-fledged jedi. Could have tied in with Rey's parent issues if both were portrayed grittier.
@@virgogaming6488 I love that and maybe they even have a moment where Rey says at least he had people to care for him and Finn tells her just because they cared for him doesn't mean they loved him.
Midichlorians to me never broke the mysticism or mythology of star wars. To me it signified that the Jedi were getting way too focused on the how than the why, which would be their downfall. They went from Monks to scientists and generals trying to classify everything about being a Jedi instead of just feeling, using, and wielding the force.
To me their introduction actually reinforced a few things, but yeah, I don't agree that they ruined the Jedi like some people claim. (although I totally get their point of view and it's quite valid)
I think Finn could have made a great side story. It's a little hard to address "they're kidnapped child soldiers" plot in a blockbuster that also wants to also be able to treat stormtroopers like mooks in a Bond film and mow them, blow them up by the millions in enemy ships, and treat having them fly into walls with a jetpack and exploding as a joke.
(Or, more generally, it's really hard for a movie about Finn's past to have its climax be a large space battle, as is expected in a mainline story movie.)
This comment led me to the interesting thought that Finn ruined Stormtroopers for the audience. Gonna work on a script for this👍👍
Why would human janitors be needed in a galaxy full of servant droids?
Yeah the only way I could get behind the idea is to compare real life military training where those menial tasks are a way of conditioning them. But since the FO soldiers were raised since practically birth, that's not really a viable argument.
Just as Finn was criminally under appreciated , so to is this video (at the moment). Loved every minute of it.
Thanks Jared!
If you haven't watched the preceding video about Rey, it's actually a lot deeper. Finn's character was actually pretty basic once I dug through his backstory, but hers is insane.
I would of loved to see the first movie be Finn and Rey teaching each other the dark and light side of the force then having their first battle against Kylo which he beats Rey and Finn badly to the point they almost die until... Luke sweeps in and sneaks them away before Kylo can murder them both. The second movie would be Luke training Finn and Rey the past of the jedi the missing peace of training the needed. Rey has accepted the knowledge while Finn struggles because he still doesn’t accept the ways of the past jedi since he was brainwashed when he was child. He still is struggling with trusting the force. Luke, Finn and Rey fight Kylo. Finn gets beaten badly while Rey holds her own but ends up losing. Luke tries to save Rey but ends up getting killed. When this happens Kylo looks at Rey to give her the final blow but the sound of the lightsaber goes off in the background. Finn has Luke lightsaber Finn has finally accepted the force! (This makes the theatre go crazy like when Captain America picked up the hammer) Like Thor Rey says “I knew it”. Finn is going toe to toe with Kylo at some points almost winning but Kylo gets away. The third movie is Kylo having a plan to destroy the rebellion but now with a prepared and finally ready Finn and Rey they fight Kylo and finally destroys him. They make sure to learn from Luke’s mistake. They won’t abandon the next line of the force/jedi. The force will be in the right hands for now on. Which ends the Star Wars Saga.
Beautiful story 👍👍
Wish I could have seen that, sounds amazing.
Crazy how from this shorten summary of a plot you wrote , it had more promise and even exciting storyline then what we actually got. I could literally envision this and it would be 1000x better than the bullshit we actually have. SMH how could they fuck it up this bad man
Finn being a Force Trooper could have greatly enhanced Kylo's arc and path to redemption as well. By introducing Finn as someone Kylo trained personally (and possibly even developed a sort of friendship with), it would sting him greatly to have Finn betray the Order. Having felt that sting of betrayal, he could then be awakened to the revelation that he needs to reconcile with his parents as well as with Luke.
Finn's characterization should have been like Kurt Russell in Soldier which he slowly grows out of experiencing love and compassion from friends.
Agreed, I actually think I threw a picture of that movie in somewhere for a comparison in one of these videos.
He out of all i think is the most wasted. He could have been and should have been a character who was deep and complex considering he was brought up as a killing machine. The instant he quits being a stormtrooper he becomes this comedic idiot who feels NOTHING when he kills his former comrades and just goes around screaming rey. No guilt, no shame, he just becomes comedic relief
Yeah, it's such a waste. Although after finishing this analysis and comparing it to the one I did on Rey, Finn's not nearly as damaged as she should have been.
I was literally more engaged with this video than The Force Awakens. Watching TFA I actually closed the tab and started doing other stuff while it ran in the background.
This video had me watching from start to finish, and not even notice time passing.
Saving this comment, thanks so much!
Yeah, TFA pretty much only had my interest during the intended heavily nostalgic parts. Like Rey scavenging inside the ruins of a Star Destroyer is some of my all time favorite cinematography....just wish the story could live up to the parts I enjoyed.
I wish that they would redo the Sequel Trilogy. They can keep all of the main characters like Finn, Rey, Po, etc. Just have a better understanding and a well thought out direction for these characters.
I'd be fine with that, heck they could even use the same story with Luke and I'd be OK with it if they properly built up his fall, and gave us more of his peak before seeing that fall.
These ideas make me wish the sequel trilogy had been this instead. It would have been a masterpiece.
Ahsoka: tries her best not to kill her clone troopers.
Finn: one stormboy dies and is sad, but then kills the other stormboyos no probs.
It's such a weird plot point for him to change because one of his brothers died, only to turn around and kill his other brothers while cheering happily.
Your channel is criminally underrated. I really enjoy the way you present your research, the way you put your arguments and deliver proof and I enjoy your insights into human psychology and storytelling. Well done. :)
Thank you, your comment made my day! 😊
The problem with the Lucasfilm story group is a lack of imagination.
A Ship named 'Vessel', a navigator whose a rock named 'Geode', a Firespray class ship named 'Firespray'!
I wouldn't trust them to write down a telephone number!
Your ideas are very good, but it never even occurred to them that Finn, as he is written, is a psychopath, cheerfully murdering his fellow Stormtroopers with cries of joy.
Wasted indeed!
I'd be curious how much if anything that group actually contributed to the story. I'll happily retract if incorrect but I don't recall them listed as writers for any of the main films. I get the impression their main job is to police all the EU content and try to make sure it sticks to precedent set in the films.
I don’t know if I should be more blown away by your incredible, in depth, well articulated, nicely edited critique, how active you are in your comment section or how long it took me to find your channel as a life long Star Wars fan and avid member in the Star Wars TH-cam community. Regardless, instant sub.
Hopefully you won't mind when I print and frame this comment so I can read it every day. Thank you!! ❤️
@@DarthdYT thank you for contributing to the best fan base in the world you’re an MVP bro, keep up the awesome work
It’s a shame that with the force awakens, Finn is pretty much a Jar Jar Binks in that he doesn’t have or get much to him, but is the most important character in the movie and the plot relies on him
Yeah, he, Rey, and Kylo all had amazing opportunities for great backstories and on-screen depictions, and Disney went with surface level, poorly thought out choices throughout. There's only a few things in the entire ST that I'd deem worth keeping, which is a really sad statement.
And JJ Abrams doesn't have self-awareness to realize that. He wanted to see Jar Jar Binks' bones in the Jakku desert.
As you've shown in these vids, there was so much potential even in these crappy movies. How did they get it so wrong??? It's genuinely baffling.
I'm guessing we're seeing the result of corporate interference: "have this done by x date for y price, I don't care what the quality is like as long as our test groups approve it, just get it done."
20:15 "The spine of Finn's character is broken as well."
Did you intentionally put the clip of Kylo slashing his spine with that line?
Lol you know I can't remember...but that's pretty coincidental so I'll give past-me the benefit of the doubt here and say yes 😅
You deserve much more subscribers...Your videos are fun to watch and also a great tool to see this new sequel trilogy in a different perspective
Thanks so much! I've still got a bunch of ideas, fingers crossed the channel keeps growing 🤞🤞
Considering his backstory his set up in the force awakens, Not a new concept in Star Wars but the first time we ever see on SW cinema, he definalty is the most wasted character.
Still a better character in the sequel trilogy my opinion. When you look at all three films and see Ray who you cannot list a single conviction because she’s a Mary Sue and all over the place, then you have Poe who at first was a great warrior and now a hothead idiot who puts people in danger and all the sudden a spice runner once upon a time for some reason and finally, Kylo Ren who is the most inconsistent character in the whole trilogy. Out of all those characters, Finn is the least bad, only by a mile though. An interesting and compelling story about an abused kid should not have been treated like he is an extra from the three stooges.
yeah, your last sentence is spot on.
What if instead of hiding in shame, Luke was hiding the remains of the new Jedi order on his planet? Those that survived Kylo Ren's betrayal and slaughter, some severely injured. His need to protect them from further harm driving his to make the impossible decision between going back out there, seeing his friends again, and being the legendary hero of the rebellion, or staying to protect the future of the Jedi from being wiped out again.
When Rey and Finn finally find him, he senses that they're incredibly steeped in the dark side of the force, but just smiles and says that "No one is beyond redemption." And that's how the first film of the sequel trilogy ends. We have two main characters we can be invested in, we can have a missing Luke Skywalker, and a story that doesn't completely assassinate his character.
Don't remember when I subscribed, but this is great. Keep up the good work bud!
Thanks so much!
That "I am Legend" clip gave me chills. Great video! Well done!
Thank you!
And yeah, that scene was great.
Oh damn I didn't realize you only had 1.5k subs this is fucking amazing
Thanks! 😊
Yeah, growth has been an incredible struggle so far, it's taken over 2 years of constant work just to get to 1k.
@@DarthdYT dang, gotta love how TH-cam flip flops on whether it loves or hates long form content lol
Why don't you already have a million subscribers at least?! Quality and meaningful content, keep it up! 👍❤️
Made my morning, thanks! 😊
Yeah, it's been a long road, over 2 years just getting to 1k. Fingers crossed growth picks up soon 🤞🤞
I've always liked the stormtroopers, I like the idea that as opposed to the republic using clones and the CIS using droids, the empire uses real people. The empire uses fully inarguably real life people that have families and weren't just made for war, but still used them just like the clones and droids. It spoke to me of the empire's evil that they will just use the people of the galaxy to die for the empire. And I love the idea of a Jedi that was once a stormtrooper, and I'm only now seeing the missed opportunity of Finn's character. It could've been so cool.
If kylo wanted Rey to join him, a big table full of food would probably have got her attention.
Yeah, I really think they missed a big opportunity there, not bribing her with food. Especially since she had no reason to stick with them at all..
@@DarthdYT here is how I think it could have gone. Rey is captured. She's searched and they find one of her green food packages. Kylo goes to her cell. He removes her restraints. Storm troopers come in with a table with a box that the music hints is full of torture devices. They leave the room. Kylo takes off his mask for the first time. He opens the box and takes out a beautiful pastry. He asks her if she had ever has a whatever cake from whatever planet. They eat and talk about food for a bit. No interrogation beyond, polite conversation.
@@moonshine588 see I could actually get behind the whole Reylo idea if they had scenes like that of him actually being kind to her. Even if it's manipulative that still would have been more believable what what we got.
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"Rayson Detra"
uhm ok, almost, I guess
*angry french language cries in the background*
😅😅
They should’ve hired you to write for Disney. These plot analysis are some of the best online. Thanks for stimulating the imagination and showing how underdeveloped the latest trilogy episodes were
Thank you so much! 😊
Working on an analysis of Kylo Ren now 👍
The whole thing about hidden backstory... It was a great bit. And as someone who loves writing (albeit it’s fanfiction) and listens to reviews looking for writing tips, it was definitely helpful. Also it could be argued Star Wars itself had examples of this already too in the characters of Vader and Obi-Wan. Lucas obviously had the events of the prequels in mind decades in advance before he made them.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! I did a similar video on Rey too if you haven't seen it 🙂
@@DarthdYT Oh goodness didn’t expect a reply! Yes, I heard you mention it and I definitely will watch it when I can.
I’m extremely new to Star Wars and have barely watched a movie fully, but even then I can just feel the sheer weight of lost potential the Disney trilogy was. It’s just something about seeing one of the landmark media franchises of pop culture go through the grinder like this.
@@wannabehistorian371 that's really interesting, you've got a very rare perspective on the franchise. If you wouldn't mind giving a few thoughts, what has your experience been? Just hearing people talk about it? Is your reaction purely like....watching Notre-Dame nearly burn down? Feeling loss at a piece of artwork/history?
@@DarthdYT I’d say it’s a lot of the latter, but also I’ve gotten inexplicably attached to Luke in particular because I find him adorable, so it’s like this double-punch there.
I actually got into the series through an Arthurian crossover fanfiction, from which I just jumped down this rabbit hole. It’s an amazing series, but it also feels like I’m picking through ruins.
@@wannabehistorian371 if you read a lot, pick up the Thrawn Trilogy. It's not official canon anymore but to many fans it represents Luke perfectly. It takes place not long after ep6 and also focuses on a female character Mara Jade who's a fan favorite. Those books are among my absolute favorites.
Finn had moments of portraying the exaggerated swagger of a black teen.
I'm only a few minutes in, but I have to say, how the hell don't you have 100,000 subscribers?? This is some high quality content. That opening alone sold me on your channel
Thanks so much!!
Fingers crossed I'll get there one day 🤞
You deserve more subs! Really enjoying your channel.
Thank you!!
I've had to back off a bit recently so I don't ruin my health but fingers crossed I'll be able to do this full time one day 🤞🤞
44:00 to 45:30 This is what the Justice League cartoons did with Wonder Woman and Batman.
Sadly its been many years since I've watched that fantastic show...refresh my memory?
@@DarthdYT So basically Wonder Woman and Batman are in an implied relationship, despite the fact Batman is physically weaker, and should be in a lesser position he’s not, and Wonder Woman isn’t nerfed to prop Batman up, and Batman isn’t made stupid or useless to prop up WW. It’s one of the few times Batman has been vulnerable and well, truly human. The relationship works perfectly because of that, it’s basically the polar opposite of what they did with Rey.
@@ATLienMJ gotcha. Really need to rewatch that, such an amazing show.
...and maybe Batman TAS while I'm at it....
@@DarthdYT Good choice imo, still holds up today.
I wanted to see Finn struggle with relating to people as people rather than as soldiers, I wanted to see him struggle with PTSD, see him navigate dealing with people who see him as a soulless killing machine who doesn't belong. See him feel comfort in combat, but feeling incredibly conflicted at that comfort. See him slowly come to grips with what it means to NOT be a stormtrooper without taking the easy way out as a mercenary or bounty hunter. I wanted to see the kind of issues with darkness Chris Kyle went through after coming home to civilian life in American Sniper.
Instead we got comic relief that runs around like a buffoon yelling "REYYYYYYYYYYYYY"
Yeah, in retrospect I don't think Disney is "brave" enough to make a film like that, even though it would have resonated much more with the fans.
A Storm Trooper that defects would have been a great story for Rouge One
This whole essay points to what, in my opinion, is the biggest failure of the sequel trilogy. The Force Awakens set all three movies on a dull and unimaginative path; there are almost no interesting ideas within that movie resulting in extremely shallow pool of good characters and factions to build story from going forward. Finn's baggage as a stormtrooper is almost never brought up, it never even shows in the way he fights, which by the way is a criminal mistake. The lack of originality is so severe, that when Rian Johnson needed a fresh story beat, he had to take the OG good guy, Luke Skywalker, and turn him into hermit so that he can get some character conflict. People shit on Rian for breaking with what JJ had planned, but in all honesty, it is Abrams' lack of vision that we are all paying the price for.
Ps. Great video, still can't believe how low the numbers are
Thanks Rupert! Yeah, I actually did 2 long videos about how JJ and TFA set such terrible precedents that the ST was crippled from the very beginning. I also did a video just like this one, only about Rey, which is even more interesting to me considering her potential traumatic backstory.
My biggest problem with TFA was it gave Rey a trilogy arc in 1 film so there was no where for her character to go. She was already powerful, could do everything, and beat the villain. This forced Rian to hit reset.
I'm so glad I stumbled across this channel. Watching this video is such a fulfilling experience. I never dreamed there could be so much potential in the new characters in those disgraceful movies. At least now I have plenty of material for a satisfying head canon.
Thank you!! I did a similar video covering Rey if you haven't seen it yet :)
@@DarthdYT I did! I never saw her as anything other than an idiotic Mary Sue before watching these. She still is one, but I never realized how much potential there was.
@@VesnaVK yeah she could have been one of my favorite characters ever. I love extreme character arcs and we usually only get very mild growth if any.
At 40:05, to be fair, Luke's force powers had remained dormant for most of his life too, same goes for Leia as well
I would argue the distinction is between "dormant" and "unnoticed".
For instance, 2 quick examples:
1. "Luke is the best bush pilot in the outer rim territories." Consider what that claim means, there's probably at least millions, if not billions of beings in the Outer RIm, and he's considered "the best". That's pretty good evidence of a strong connection to the Force helping him see things before they happen, which is how Anakin was such a good pilot.
2. Luke thinking it not a big deal to hit a target 2m wide while flying at full speed, while another pilot says that shot is impossible even for a computer. Luke is such a good shot because of the Force, and he's never even realized how far above average his skill level actually is.
And regarding Leia, I've heard the theory (or maybe it was outright stated in an EU book) that she progressed so quickly in politics because of her connection with the Force.
But again, all of that is happening without their direct knowledge, which is why I say unnoticed, not dormant.
15:41 "He had been cleaning pipes his whole life" ....oh, the humanity lol 😂😂😂😂😂
You are definitely not overthinking. This analysis is more than needed.
Thanks 🙂 I recently finished one for Kylo too, and I've got a final one in the writing stage.
1. Finn in the film says he was raised by the First Order to kill. He wasn't a janitor he was a stormtrooper cadet his whole life.
2. He absolutely does act like someone with a bounty on his head and scared of the First Order.
3. Finn beong force-sensititve works because it's never established in Star Wars lore that a person a person has to feel it their entire lives for them to have it. It doesn't break canon at all.
4. Maryann Brandon the editor of TFA has pointed to Finn breaking his conditioning as possible evidence of his force-sensitivity. So there is evidence, it just depends on whether one wants to see it.
5. Before the Awakening says the training never took with Finn so the
idea that him being brainwashed disproves his connection to the force doesn't work.
If you love the way they presented his character, I'm happy you're happy.
Personally I think nearly every character ever written could be improved upon in some way to better tell their story. I tried to explain my reasoning as best I could for all the points you listed.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment even if you completely disagree.
@@DarthdYT I'm not happy with the writing in general, just pointing out some things I feel are misconceptions about his backstory according to the canon.
I like the idea Finn only did sanitation jobs and hadn't had the same training or battle experience of other troops and been somewhat oblivious to what was going on outside of the very contained existence he was exposed to. He just got slotted into an empty spot. This actually makes sense. Could have still made him force sensitive, untrained. Have Rey and him learn together. Or not, he still could have been a great character without that.
I hated the whole bitter, cynic Luke Skywalker thing and hated the whole Palpatine thing so that would have to change. Ben could still have been a failed student who turned dark but Luke could have still had a small number of students he was training and protecting. Finding Luke could have been more like a call to arms, revealing the emerging new Jedi into the fight and quickly giving basic training Rey and Finn but sadly no.
You got cool fresh perspectives and refreshing your not screaming in rage “muh Star Wars”
Your story writing is already off to a much better start than the movie at this point. Spot on recreation of what could’ve been with a better understanding of the principles of Storytelling
Thanks :)
I've seen a lot of rewrites for that series and this video has some some of the better takes on things and sets up pretty good alternatives
Thanks :)
Working on a similar vid for Kylo rn
@@DarthdYT That sounds like it'll be pretty good. I'm looking for to it, at your own pace, of course.
Disney: Money machine goes brr
Amazing how much more they could have made on merch not killing off all the Jedi again, or making the Knights of Ren more important, or...a hundred other things.
Really enjoyed your analysis! Definitely had similar thoughts in the past so I'm interested in checking out your Rey video. It's really a shame the sequel movies turned out the way they did, while I enjoyed TFA enough when it came out, it's disappointing when I consider how much better it could have been if it wasn't constantly rushing from explosion to explosion. These characters have such interesting base concepts and it could have been so interesting if the writers slowed down and let them meaningfully develop and interact. Sadly, it feels like any potential character trait that didn't push us closer to another visual set piece got chopped out of them.
Great description! That's definitely JJ's style...
One can make the argument a child soldier trying to re-enter society is too hard a theme for a movie like this. But then making him a child soldier re-entering society was a really foolish decision, wasn't it?
Was that a reference to Batman Beyond in a Star Wars vid? Instant subscribe! Finn was my favorite and they seemed to drop him entirely in the last 2 movies. He had so much potential.
Agreed, and thanks for the sub 😊
Very fitting, considering Batman Beyond is one of the best examples of how to make a sequel series.
I'm glad I'm not the only one upset with how they did finn's character his and Rey's character could have been great but nope the fans got hosed
Yeah, I did a similar video on Rey, I really think she could have been one of my favorite characters ever.
I love all of your work on this, but I have to say I don't like the idea of Finn being a Knight of Ren or a special trooper in any way, its much more powerful for the story to start with a number in the crowd, one of the small folk so to say.
I get that. I just thought it would be really neat to see someone start out as a pure bad guy only to wind up a Jedi. That's not something we've seen yet in the films, although that's exactly Mara Jade's character. But the generic "everyman" idea has merit too.
@@DarthdYT As I said though, great work, both would be far more interesting than we got!
@@CNERail thanks 😊
It's Sad that Disney didn't hire You to Write this story😢
Love this compliment, thank you!
You made an underused character seem so much better than a multi-billion dollar company ever could.
Made my day, thanks!
Can you do Kylo Ren next because the line in the movies about the whole “heir to Vader” is bullshit in my opinion because 1) In the last six trilogy Darth Vader/Anakin doesn’t have any heirs 2) If he did it wouldn’t be Kylo because Kylo would have left Vader into darkness to never try to redeem him and Kylo doesn’t know a goddamn thing about the man behind the suit we know Vader is Anakin Skywalker but the whole Disney trilogy gloss over him and never once mention Anakin beside Vader it like Luke never mention Anakin to Leia or Kylo before he became Darth Vader 3) If Vader did have an heir it is Luke because Luke grow up stories about Anakin literally his son, Luke was only person to see light in him and he redeem him finally Luke was the only person to be in his father funeral which is fitting because it means while the galaxy remember him as Darth Vader the greatest villain but to Luke he will be Remembered as Anakin a man, his father and his hero due to him saving Luke from The emperor. That is when Star Wars ends at episode 6 the return of the Jedi the sequel/Disney trilogy can go fuck itself people said prequels have problems but Disney prove sequels have issues problems as well.
Actually I've got a script about kylo that I've been working on for awhile. Doing a comedy edit next because it's been awhile, then an analysis of the 4th Wall, then the Kylo analysis. And I've got a funny Mandalorian edit I need to squeeze in there somewhere too.
Underated channel. Great vid
Thanks so much JJ!
I did a similar video about Rey if you haven't seen it yet.
Your channel deserves so much more attention, keep up the good work, your videos are insightful. You have changed my mind from originally thinking that disney Lucasfilm was just pushing the message, to now understanding fully that they have just become at best lazy and at worst incompetent...😢 but at least your videos give me a new refreshed take on what could have been. So thank you for that, truly 😊
Love this, thank you! Trying to keep working even though I'm exhausted 😅
I think that there's an other important part to Finn that doesn't get explored and would fit Star Wars pretty well. The Star Wars films are always about family. That aspect could've been woven in easily with Rey, with her Isolation as you've described, but is also a theme for Finn. His "family" is the First Order, a cult. It's an abusive family only giving him everything he needs because he's a resource. Learning to recognise and heal that should be very important story. I think that's where Poe would've played a major part for Finn. Poe should've become a mirror for Finn showing how abusive the FO actually was. Poe as being part of a team instead of a resource. Poe as fighting from conviction instead of indoctrination, service without giving up identity and self.
Oh, well, it's obvious we both thing the sequels are a huge pile of wasted potential.
That's a really interesting idea. Like maybe while they're escaping, Poe tells him "good job" and Finn is taken aback having never had anything kind said to him his entire life.
@@DarthdYT I think they tried it in the beginning by Poe actually giving Finn a name during their escape. I feel the idea was there, but it's like the scriptwriters have the worst memories ever! They go in a direction, forget what they where doing, stumble about a bit and try something else. XD
@@patrickmulder2450 yeah, good call on the name, that's definitely what they were going for. Problem was Finn reacted kind of like a kid getting a new toy, not like a slave who had never been respected as an individual before.
@@DarthdYT Tsja... I feel that enforces your point of wasted character, and actor, potential.
I think Poe should have been there on Jakku with Finn and Rey as their pilot instead of mysteriously disappearing and reappearing in the 3rd act. That way you get and establish the trio together. Also Poe could have met Han and adopted the Falcon from him as a way of passing the torch.
I’m fairly certain that there is a novel (may or may not be canon now) that explains that the very first battle, was also Finn’s first battle and seeing battle.
Really well done!
Thank you! Working on a similar vid for Kylo right now
A lot of good ideas for what to do with Finn. I always thought the child soldier aspect was weird, though, when they could use clone troopers. In Clone Wars, the clones had chips in their heads to keep them loyal, and they could all simply be programmed to change loyalties--like to carry out Order 66. I initially though this is what Disney would do with Finn. Clone Wars had an episode where a clone trooper broke from his programming because the chip in his head stopped working correctly. Something to do with Jango Fett's DNA becoming less compatible with the chips the more they cloned him. And then that liberated clone trooper tried to destroy a cloning facility--and almost succeeded despite the fact that Jedi were trying to stop him.
If the First Order had access to cloning technology, why not use it? There could be peace in the Republic, but the First Order shows up one day with massive clone armies. Like how Jedi were generals leading clone armies in the Clone Wars, the Knights of Ren could be generals leading clone trooper armies. Is cloning and chipping just so inefficient compared to kidnapping and brainwashing? They wouldn't have to steal or buy children. The First Order could have even figured out a way to clone force users, so the force trooper idea could still work. And Finn just wants to dismantle the entire project.
Yeah it's a really weird argument that the FO intentionally didn't use clones for some reason even though (I think it was Hux, maybe Kylo) said they were in favor of them. I guess stealing kids would be cheaper but way way more problematic.
@@DarthdYT Stealing kids would be more noticeable than cloning if they wanted to be discreet. I think the writers just didn't want to have Finn be a clone--like that'd diminish his humanity, maybe. That's the only reason I can think of.
Like making him a janitor, to me, felt like an excuse to say that he'd never taken an innocent life before. His hands were clean, he'd been asked to kill innocent people, and that caused him to freak out. Making him a janitor made zero sense otherwise.
@@chriscollins2095 wow...can't believe I've not heard that argument before. Yeah, that may be spot on.
It is also worth noting that Finn cannot SEE the blood on his helmet. The structure of the helmet would prevent the blood from getting onto his eyes, so why does he freak out?
1. Fantastic point I haven't heard before
2. I could argue that he wasn't freaking out because of the blood, but because one of his brothers he grew up with just died in his arms
...however since the film doesn't actually give us that context the audience naturally assumes the blood played a shock factor when it really couldn't have.
Because JJ thought the shot looked cool and didnt care/think about whether or not it would make sense.
*You come up with better ideas than those arrogant hacks JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson.*
lol, thanks a bunch vit!
I think Rian had good ideas it just wasn't his trilogy.
The only thing Star Wars fans seem to agree on is that Finn deserved better
Ironically I don't think Rey gets enough credit for the same topic. I did an entire video on her first and I really think she could have been one of the greatest characters ever written.
Videos like these just make me sad. The sequels had potential, and so many people have had amazing ideas for what could have been done with the story of this trilogy, and every single one I've seen is more well thought out and respectful to the characters than the official movies. The sequels could have been the best trilogy, but they were held back by writers and directors who seemingly didn't care about telling a meaningful story.
As a former soldier, you nailed it. Congrats on writing a better character backstory than the best a multi-billion dollar corporation can buy.
As a Christian, I’m surprised to hear the word “agape” used outside of a Bible study. Either you are one also or you studied greek. Either way, well done and God bless. Great content.
Thanks a bunch :) And ironically, I don't remember ever learning agape in church, I learned it from a radio drama called Adventures in Odyssey I listened to growing up 🤷♂😅
I enjoyed every minute of your video!! Subscribed! As african, I was very happy when Star Wars announced in 2015 that one of the protagonists would be black :D It's sad how Disney wasted Finn's character
Thank you!!
And yeah, it's a shame they wasted Boyega's talent, although he plays the comedic role fairly well.
I mean i don't know in History but yes A CRIME has been committed upon this beloved character to a trilogy I'm glad i stood away from. I learned in the past to stay away from things like this... Robocop 3 almost gives me anxiety from the horror that it still is, that retched film. (HARD Robocop Fan)
Where has your channel been all my life?
Right here waiting for you 🙃
Honestly I would have loved is Finn were to be a Jedi. The idea of a stormtrooper having the force is such a cool concept and it would have been interesting to see a former stormtrooper go against Kylo Ren who is the “big bad” of this trilogy .
Ahhhhhh the paaaaiiiin of realizing....truly realizing...what could've been. What you described towards the end would've been one of my favorite movies ever. Not to mention the hope it would've brought the world.....as we headed to 2020 and its troubles.
Thanks 🙂❤
I am now imagining Mandalorian diplomats appearing after the fighting and demanding that the Beskar of the armors the force troopers wear be returned to them as it represents a part of their cultural heritage that has been stolen by the Empire.
A visibly aged Bo-Katan Kryze in ceremonial dress, similar to that her sister wore, but draped over a clean but scarred armor.
And behind her a small hooded figure with long green ears poking out of a Beskar helmet, seemingly disinterested and chewing on dried seafood, yet reaching out in the Force for mal intent in the crowd.
Rose: Child slavery is bad
Finn: 🤨
Made me think of my own story now. I liked the idea of Finn accidentally teaching Rey to use darkside powers and then Luke realizing he needs to teach them both or risk the darkside being normalized out of ignorance.
From there, maybe Finn and Rey could have a disagreement during training where Finn understands why it was wrong to use Darkside powers whike Rey struggles to separate dark and light because of all her abandonment angst. The two get heated and settle their disagreement with an impulsive duel that triggers Luke's PTSD of Kylo and his own father, Anakin, testing his own moral fiber to act and atone for his mistakes with Kylo. It would all rhyme with Empire's training on Degobah and facing one's own darkside; Round 2 for Luke and his example shows them what it truly means to be Jedi.
@6:02 The reason why Geralt is haunted by his past is because he was robbed of his childhood. Yes, his mother gave him off to Vesemir. It is implied that his father or mother had to respect the Law of Surprise because a Witcher helped them out.
The reason why he's was always hesitant to take in Ciri was because he felt no child should ever go what he went through. It wasn't until he had no choice but to take her in and it became "Something More." Great writing on Sapkowski's part not Netflix. Netflix gutted the wonderful backstory behind Geralt and Ciri's father daughter relationship.
With that out the way, wonderful video! You have yourself a subscriber! Most of Hollywood's writers are mediocre at best so it didn't surprise me that Disney couldn't hire actual talent in their writing department. I just finished re-visiting Kotor2 and it's the best thing to happen to Star Wars. I doubt Disney Star Wars would ever achieve that level of Chris Avellone.
Thanks for the sub Ruben!
And I knew I wanted to talk about the Witcher because I love the show so much, but I'm woefully ignorant of the backstory having not played the games, so I tried to be more hypothetical and use random things as examples of how backstory could influence his character; I guess I didn't make that very clear.
@@DarthdYT You're very welcome. The show is mediocre at best compared the books and even compared to CD Projeckt's adaptation. The show actually takes away the real experience from the books that Sapkowski intended. All of my Witcher book reader friends were pretty much disappointed with the show. Not in a typical "the books is better than the show" way. We were actually surprised the Netflix took out one of the most important scenes in the books and shoehorned the finale like that.
@@DrRoo91 somehow I utterly missed the fact that it was based off of novels and not the videogame story 🤦♂️
I'll have to pick those up one day because while my friends and I were watching we kept saying "it feels like it's moving too fast, there's so much story we're missing out on".
Love the Solo video
But did you get through all 7 hours of it 👀😅
Congrats, you got a New sub
Gracious!