What if George Lucas made The Last Jedi?
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- Let's take a look at the relationship between The Last Jedi and George Lucas's vision not only for his sequels but for Star Wars as a whole.
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3/31 Edit: Hello! The immense support the video is seeing is really incredible and I’m so grateful for this platform. The amount of discussion going on as well is fantastic and I love promoting open and healthy discussion! That being said, I don’t appreciate the comments simply being folks telling me how much they dislike The Last Jedi not commenting on the contents of my video- take a listen to the whole thing and let me know what you think about that!! Thanks again for the incredible response and I hope you enjoy the video.
Thank you all so much for watching this video! It's something I've wanted to talk about for a long time, and I'm so happy I have a platform to do so. Feel free to recommend video topics you'd like to see me cover!
After the Rebels won, there were no more stormtroopers in my version of the third trilogy.
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Episode VII, VIII, and IX would take ideas from what happened after the Iraq War. "Okay, you fought the war, you killed everybody, now what are you going to do?" Rebuilding afterwards is harder than starting a rebellion or fighting the war. When you win the war and you disband the opposing army, what do they do? The stormtroopers would be like Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist fighters that joined ISIS and kept on fighting. The stormtroopers refuse to give up when the Republic win. They want to be stormtroopers forever, so they go to a far corner of the galaxy, start their own country and their own rebellion.
There's a power vacuum so gangsters, like the Hutts, are taking advantage of the situation, and there is chaos. The key person is Darth Maul, who had been resurrected in The Clone Wars cartoons - he brings all the gangs together.
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Darth Maul trained a girl, Darth Talon, who was in the comic books, as his apprentice. She was the new Darth Vader, and most of the action was with her. So these were the two main villains of the trilogy. Maul eventually becomes the godfather of crime in the universe because, as the Empire falls, he takes over.
The movies are about how Leia - I mean, who else is going to be the leader? - is trying to build the Republic. They still have the apparatus of the Republic but they have to get it under control from the gangsters. That was the main story.
It starts out a few years after Return of the Jedi and we establish pretty quickly that there's this underworld, there are these offshoot stormtroopers who started their own planets, and that Luke is trying to restart the Jedi. He puts the word out, so out of 100,000 Jedi, maybe 50 or 100 are left. The Jedi have to grow again from scratch, so Luke has to find two- and three-year-olds, and train them. It'll be 20 years before you have a new generation of Jedi.
By the end of the trilogy Luke would have rebuilt much of the Jedi, and we would have the renewal of the New Republic, with Leia, Senator Organa, becoming the Supreme Chancellor in charge of everything. - George Lucas
“What I wish is that [Disney] had been more accepting of [George Lucas]’ guidance and advice. Because he had an outline for '7', '8' and '9'. And it is vastly different to what they have done.”-Mark Hamill 2017
George Lucas’s Version Of Luke for his sequels has nothing in common with The Last Jedi’s version of Luke. The Luke Lucas describes for his sequels isn’t a trauma col. who has mental issues. He rebuilds The Jedi Order. Trains Leia, & The Next Generation before he dies.
Lucas’s ideas weren’t used in Disney’s sequels and he expressed as much himself.
“"Uh, I don't know. I mean, I've kind of
lost control of Star Wars, so it's
going off in a different path than
what I intended. But the first six are
very much mine, and my
philosophy.”-George Lucas
If you want a better idea of what George actually had in mine, these coming from his mouth and not from the mouths of people he’s worked with I’d suggest watching this: th-cam.com/video/6qDQ5Ae0AkA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lHi7nx-LKjHMhGwq
@@bendu8282 I used that source for my video. It’s mentioned at the end. I mention all of the points you made
@@bendu8282 Consider what Lucas did with Obiwan in the OG, Luke was gonna be Paul Atreides !!! And Rian Johnson did just that but with an uplifting ending.
I don't look at it as "What if George Lucas made the last jedi" because he did specifically say they didn't want him around. I look at it as, what would George Lucas's *Episode 8* be like?
You make some great comparisons and it is clear Rian was definitely honouring George's visual Filmmaking style, but as a storyteller and respecting the characters George created; Rian pretty much dropped the ball big time. Rian decidedly wrote the Jedi Master Luke Skywalker to walk straight into his nephew's hut at night, while carrying his green lightsaber on him. That right there goes completely against the character *Luke Skywalker*.
Would George have done the green milk scene?
Yes but it would’ve been directly from the udder
@@StarWarsCentralizedthis would of been absolute cinema oh my god
udder nonsense
He would’ve made it classier. Pry give Luke some better dialogue. Possibly make it actually funny. Who knows tho.
@@VinceTheTrooper27R U sure? George was the who made darth vader into a horndog in attack of the clones
No hate to the man but come on y'all would've hated him even more if he made the sequels
4:25 It should noted that at one point, Lucas was supposed to direct Apocalypse Now, but he eventually moved on to direct American Graffti and Star Wars because it was in development hell for so long.
Imagine if they had went more inline with George's plans and he had accepted the consulting role that was offered to him and if JJ Abrams had agreed to direct all three movies instead of just seven and nine?
To me JJ seams like he tried to please his bosses. Rian tried to please himself, which at least I respect. That is what a director with a vision should do and the mindset that moves cinema forward.
We had enough fan service and nostalgia the last decade and this didn't do any good to the future of cinema.
None of the legacy characters should have been on the sequels. The sequels were late to the game. The actors were way too old at this point and they had to dance around this fact. Killing them on screen didn't help the movies at all!
The Star Wars universe is so well crafted at this point that original stories can stand on their own. Andor is the proof of that.
A Lucas sequel trilogy needed to be a collaborative effort with less yes men. Lucas has great ideas that need to be reigned in
Well, you have to admit. The lucas version of the whole trilogy would be far more cohesive than the current trilogy no matter how divisive.
I think it Really shows that the films were written by different peoples.
The rise of skywalker especially just feels like it was trying to "fix" what happened in the last jedi a little too hard.
"Oh, uhh no! Rey isn't a nobody! Look! She's connected to someone important!"
I could go on, but the point stands.
What the sequels needed in my opinion was a single unified vision. And Lucas would have granted that. For better or for worse.
Also, I get that the nobody thing could just have been Rey's fears manifesting, but when I watched the film, it didn't come across that way to me.
JJ Abrams and Chris Terrio have both said it was never their intention to fix Rian Johnson’s film and overall I believe them because there’s plenty in it that supports the previous movie. While I do agree the trilogy could’ve been more cohesive and that I don’t prefer the Palpatine connection the trilogy still works and they did the reveal in TROS to where what we already learned is overall still true. Her parents really were nobodies and I love that aspect of her character.
@@mastersith3523 true. Palpatine already said in Revenge Of The Sith if he and Vader work together they can discovered the secret to cheat death. This is changes everything what we learned in original trilogy make Palpatine's death is too easy.
A George Lucas sequel trilogy would have been very interesting to see, but let’s face it, it would likely have been just as if not more divisive than the Disney sequels.
real asf.
Especially if he went all in on the Midichlorians
@@StarWarsCentralizedyeah i woulda fucking hated that i'll be fr
Yeah. George cannot write to save his life. He is the idea man.
Since Lucas wanted to tell a saga and about generation.
george said that fans probably wouldn't even like his sequel trilogy
Still woulda been better than that god-awful trilogy we got
@@rcdune7132 no way to know thaat
@@wwb16 if you know what the story was like I do, then yes there is definitely a way to know that
@@rcdune7132 believe what you want to believe pal
@@wwb16 hehe the story was something original that stayed true to star wars, its characters and its legacy unlike all the god-awful generic, ripoff crap Disney spews out... But I guess that's just something you wouldn't understand chief
This is by far the most genuine take I've ever heard. You're not just shouting at the top of your lungs that Disney ruined Star Wars or that Star Wars went woke. You actually give substance to what you say and I really appreciate that. So many of the main Star Wars TH-camrs we'll just harp on buzzwords will just harp on buzz words and say nothing of value.
That’s my goal! I appreciate your comment!
i belive no matter who made the sequels star wars fans would rant about it
You earned my subscription. I have followed Star Wars from its beginning. Through service in the U.S. Army (infantry), a long professional career, marriage, and fatherhood. I love the art that is Star Wars in all its forms. Very well thought out and balanced content. I look forward to more.
Thank you so much! I appreciate it!!! More to come soon!
Forgot to mention, but thank you for your service too!!
@@StarWarsCentralized - Thanks. It was what it was and it did help me get through school. I was back in the Cold War period and really take a dim view of what has gone on since 2003. Your stuff is really well done. I hope you enjoy making it.
@@grayflaneur4854 I'm having the best time making it! Interesting hearing your point of view on that
TLJ is the most "lucas" like out of the three by far. The cgi animals, cringe romance, critique on war profiteering, exiled luke, and big visual emphasis is all up his alley. Solo felt very similar to Lucas as well.
Are you high??
Actually Lucas respects his characters
I still don't understand why Disney hired JJ Abrams. He was an still heavliy crtizised for his Star Trek film.
well blame Mike stocklasa/mr plinkett from redlettermedia for that in his Star Trek 2009 he stated that he wanted JJ to direct the sequels because plinkett only cares about action scenes not calm and political scenes even (though they are important elements of the prequel era of Star Wars)
and he also threw a jab on George Lucas that he should direct people into seats in the theatre
JJ would have delivered a good if fairly average and forgettable product. Where they dropped the ball was hiring ruin Johnson.
@@ramonserna8089Rian is one of the best things that happened to the Sequels
@@ramonserna8089Correct.
@@AgentsofPRIDEGrow up, lmao. You act like you're going to cry over the fact that an Internet film critic and comedian made a joke about a man worth billions of dollars.
And the fact that you're more butthurt about someone on the Internet criticizing a massive franchise for featuring poor writing and filmmaking than you are about said massive franchise featuring that poor writing and filmmaking in the first place really speaks volumes as to why Star Wars has been able to get away with producing mountains of slop in all the decades since it peaked with Empire Strikes Back.
Honestly, I think a lot of the small changes Lucas might’ve had are the big things that would’ve fixed my biggest issues with TLJ.
Interesting! Like what?
@@StarWarsCentralized So, Kylo and Luke’s backstories in broad strokes are ok, but I always felt like Luke even getting as far as igniting his lightsaber went a bit far in the version we have, and the lack of showing what was going on in Kylo’s head in the movie (I hate that some key details are in comics/books). Would been something a bit more tangible, and Luke having more nuance would just be better overall. The FO being the ones on the backfoot just makes more sense, and would be a nice flipping of the script. Plus a lot of my other issues come from the lack of big overarching world elements and details. In the initial bomber scene even, Johnson seems to want the idea of a bomber raid, but kinda messes it up because the bombers don’t feel heavy, or like they’re built their built to take a pounding on the way in like a Fortress or Lancaster is generally seen as. It’s a small element, but it’s one of those details that’s hard to quite ignore.
This is going in my Essential Star Wars playlist.
Thank you so much!!
Why? This video is full of so much misinformation
@@rcdune7132 Which is what? Don't just tell there is misinformation, without telling *what it is!*
@@Taron_HaiTar well if you actually knew anything about Star Wars or George Lucas or George Lucas's plans for his sequel Trilogy then you would know that this video is BS... Seriously a quick 2 second search on George Lucas's seagal Trilogy will prove that
I think you missed the cracks for the egg... Johnson's script made certain key choices that "divided the fandom". A broken Luke wasn't the problem, but having him toss his lightsaber and try to kill his "irredeemable" nephew was too far out of character. Having Rose preach to Finn a former slave soldier about injustice and freedom, while he was being reduced from secondary lead to a joke character was an issue... Rei not actually getting trained but gaining immense power, Haldo's unrealistic and counter productive "leadership" were serious issues. The technical lore that was inconsistent with the rest of star wars (e.g. Haldo maneuvers and poorly thought out bombing sequences). A clunky poorly conceived space chase as the basis of the side narrative. All these issues are what most OG fans and critical viewers had a problem with, it didn't just show a disregard for the lore, but a disregard for logic, consistency and world building.
Exactly
Here here
I disagree on logic and consistency! TLJ follows up TFA well and is a very worthy chapter in Star Wars IMO. The logic of it all works fine and well for me, I’m sorry if it didn’t for you.
I hate to say it man, but anyone too delusional and/or dumb to see all the hilariously glaring issues with TLJ's atrocious script is probably not going to be swayed by you pointing some of it out. TLJ's writing is kind of issue that became divided enough that you now either see it as it is or you don't.
Well, I don't one hundred percent agree on all those points - but yeah, about 70 percent of those.
It's often all about execution.
Also, whilst I can see Luke losing faith, and even running away - the STAYING away, so long, without explanation, is hard to argue for.
Be prepared to fight the horde. Great vid lol
He’s been preparing for this battle his whole life.
@@AL123Productionstrue asf. bros been training for years
This video is full of so much misinformation lol
@@rcdune7132 seems you don't know what you are talking about and just speaking Yapanese
@@whateverwhatever4476 oh you poor little thing... Any actual Star Wars fan knows this video is full of lies and misinformation. Lol a quick TH-cam search of George Lucas's sequel Trilogy will prove that.. if you're going to talk out of your ass then at least have at least a single hint of knowing what you are talking about lolololol
Great video. I pretty much agree with your final thoughts about TLJ being the most Lucas-like of the sequels. It's my favorite one if I had to choose. Albeit still kind of clunky and hampered by what JJ set up imo. But I think it's hard to predict what George's Lucas' The Last Jedi would've been because a lot of the ideas in it were taken from his treatment for Episode VII according to Pablo Hidalgo (the Last Jedi tie-in Leia novel Bloodline was also based on ideas from the Michael Arndt Episode VII draft so that might've given us some indication of the politics George wanted to infuse his sequels with), but yeah the structure of the story seemed all different.
Based on Pablo's comments and the sequel art books, Han and Leia's son was in the male lead Finn role alongside the heroine and fell to the dark side over the course of the trilogy rather than it being an established fact like Kylo in TFA. Also George said in Charlie Rose interview I think that his sequels were about the grandkids plural, that and other hints lead me to believe that the heroine was Han and Leia's daughter. So they were kind of a version of Jacen and Jaina I guess. But because Lucas read the Dark Horse comics that seemed to be the primary EU influence, not the novels. so we had Talon seducing the son like she seduced Cade Skywalker in Legacy, even Maul's return intentionally or not kind of parallels Darth Krayt/A'Sharad Hett since they're both prequel era characters who'd been forgotten by the galaxy but return to fill the power vacuum later. Sounds like it would've echoed Legends material a little but with George's own spin, not unlike Rise of Skywalker having elements of Dark Empire. Mainly reminds me of how they adapted Quinlan Vos for Clone Wars/Dark Disciple and took some elements from the Dark Horse comics, but it was overall a reimagining.
And another mythological influence Rian Johnson talked about for Last Jedi was the Arthurian Grail Legend, with Luke being the wounded Fisher King. Might've been where Lucas was drawing inspiration from as well given his Colonel Kurtz comments. Joseph Campbell talked a lot about that and we know Lucas was a student of his. So I liked that stuff. The Luke Rashomon thing I'm iffy on because I think he needed more development to understand his perspective and despair in that moment. Unfortunately only getting one movie means rushing through everything. Would've been nice to get more Jedi Master Luke Skywalker glimpsed at the end of Last Jedi and a little in Rise of Skywalker..
Really awesome comment and response. Thanks so much for watching and I’m glad you enjoyed it! I’m going to make a video about TLJ’s depiction of Luke soon and I’ve already got the Arthurian legends in my sources list.
@@StarWarsCentralized That's great I like to hear people's readings of it. I first heard the Fisher King thing from Holonet Marauders video on Rey's arc and how it aligns with the Heroine's Journey, so it'd be nice to get something like that analyzing Luke's TLJ arc as well.
nope
Riveting comment
the last 3 star wars films where so bad I don't even consider is cannon it more like fan fiction.
I like them a lot
@@StarWarsCentralizedgood for you, a lot of people can't tolerate pure shit though
Good Video, i like your take on it as a TLJ fan and GL fan i agree there. Be safe when the hordes come for you, lol.
It certainly wouldn't have been a 2h30m+ space chase where they run out of gas.
Makes me want to wish to go to an alternate universe where George Lucas directed the Sequel Trilogy.
youd still be mad about it in that alternate universe lol
@@Crusty783 wrong
Probably the sequels would've been better than the real-life Disney versions. But I wouldn't count on it avoiding the same hate they got.
I legitimately listened to your video, diagree with every opinion you have (the facts you present I can definitely believe) and I really am gonna stick to my opinion that no more Star Wars movies should have been made, no more shows, anything after the prequels, UNLESS Timothy Zahn ran everything and had his finger in it. He's the only one I can trust to make good Star Wars.
Super interesting take, appreciate you hearing me out
The sequel trilogy is a fascinating case study of lack of planning and 0 understanding of characters or themes.
It's completely surface-level. There is nothing to latch onto in these movies other than the visuals. It's kinda funny, but Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon is surprisingly similar to these and I called that "Snyder playing with his action figures again."
And that's a fitting description for the sequels too: It's just bunch of action figures slamming into one another.
You’re so right - about Rebel Moon. The Sequels, however, are much better than that
we're talking about the franchise that started on Leia knowingly committing incest due to Lucas' poor planning btw
@@StarWarsCentralized No,they're not. You can not like Snyder's rebel moon but at least doesn't feel like he hates the characters the way Disney does.
@@marcosrecio4062 I can’t see how someone can watch the sequels and not see them as a love letter to Star Wars as a series, not coddling the story and characters
Murdering uncle luke, dead beat solo, no arc ren, jar jar finn, and rey sue aside there are basically no memorable characters, aliens, nor designs, wich is mostly just things from the OT painted black. The less said about the story the better.
Luke would have been way different. He would not have gone from the beacon of hope, willing to die to bring Anakin back to the light… to think about killing his nephew because of a glimpse he saw. And my god… the last Jedi was such an awful story.
The books had a better sequel trilogy, about Han Lea and their children becoming Jedi, Luke having Mara Jade his wife and his son and the Jedi temple, Luke being the most feared person in the Galaxy. It was about Han’s and Leas Twins, son and daughter and the death of their third son, it enrages their son and he’s tricked into the darkside by a female Sith.
I adore those books, Legends is my favorite part of Star Wars, and I still love the real Sequel Trilogy
I don't know why , Dune , Harry Potter , LOTR, can follow the books and be massively successful but they had to rewrite starwars . Lucas may not of reconised them , but the old books were fantastic.
@@StarWarsCentralized *Disney trilogy... That's not the real sequel trilogy... Also, your claim that George Lucas had originally made Luke in exile has been confined by George Lucas himself... you actually managed to get sooo much wrong in this video and it's mind-boggling to me how people can actually still believe that literally anything from The Last Jedi is based off of ideas from George Lucas 😂
@@rcdune7132 lol alright buddy sure thing
@@StarWarsCentralizedthe last Jedi did not come from George. Unlike Disney George respects his characters
You perfectly described what I feel about TLJ, it’s the most “Lucas Like” of the sequels. I still don’t like the sequel trilogy but TLJ is the most enjoyable for me out of a trilogy where two of the three “films” have absolutely nothing to say, just corporate “marvelized” spectacle for money, and TLJ still doesn’t have much to say nor does it communicate it very well AT ALL but it’s a low bar, and they pass it.
The Last Jedi misses entirely what George was teaching. Rian Johnson laughed at the very idea of the heroes journey, while George built Star Wars around it. The Last Jedi has moments and breathtaking visuals, but it fails to be the 2nd part of a trilogy, and instead of growing the themes, world and chemistry of the characters, it drives the entire story into the ground and kills off the resistance. There are so many logical holes in this movie that it us maddening. Plus, it is totally stupid there is a manhole cover into a tunnel right outside Dj's cell. Seriously?
I think you’re wrong in pretty much every aspect of this comment
Nothing could've saved that dumpster fire of a movie, other than the studio actually writing out all three movies first before hiring on anyone to direct.
I love The Last Jedi
@@StarWarsCentralizedyeah if you hate Luke Skywalker
You really had me thinking this was an entirely factual video and baited me into a love letter for the worst Star Wars movie and Lucas's shit ideas. I don't know what to say.
It’s a video essay
I think Rian Johnson should've just made the Sequel Trilogy from the start if there was no other option lol
I think the big issues with TLJ were that
1) it was part of the broader sequel trilogy which felt cobbled together and lacking in continuity
2) it focused too much on the newly introduced character of Rose. Given the lack of a prequel-like timeskip, the core trio should have been established in the first movie, to make the trilogy feel like one group’s story (shit even in the prequels introduced Anakin, Obi Wan, and Padmé in phantom menace even if it does focus more on Qui Gon but then he’s the OT Obi Wan analogue)
3) Too much telling too little showing
4) WAYY too much cheap comedy with the Luke scenes. Sure it mirrors the silliness of OT Yoda but Luke’s self-imposed exile isn’t not something that should have been taken that lightly “haha alien boobie milk, silly puffy animals”
100% agree people don’t wanna admit that a lot of the ideas people hate are taken directly from Lucas’s outlines
Luke being a pathetic loser wasn't. He came back to the fight with the main characters and then died in episode 9 after training leia. He told this to Paul Duncan for his Star Wars archive book. The search for Luke with a female lead was the only idea they took. That's what some fans choose not to understand because it hurts their bullshit narrative about lucas being responsible for TLJ ideas.
The execution is the issue, not the ideas.
They weren’t his ideas stop these lies
Just because the Sequels took a few broad plotlines and barebones character descriptions from George does not mean they at all took their stories directly from what George intended.
Lucas would make a dark Luke skywalker, but not a broken petty childish man, more akin to Luke in episode 4
I kept tellin people that johnson was a good choice because he has alot in common with lucas. I wouldnt expect a new lucas film to be how we want it to be. Its problems politically and specifically character depictions would be different. I saw this as an less good version of empire strikes back for what it was trying to do. It was always going to be decisive. Maybe if fin and reys story archs and the first orders goals were clearly established, maybe we could have a great film. Especially if they had committed to it for rise of skywalker. That film could have redeemed alot of what the last Jedi was trying to establish.
George Lucas was good friends with Francis Ford Coppola, so much so that he was even considered to direct Apoc Now at one point, and the two of them established American Zoetrope together. Lucas respected Coppola. It is absolutely fascinating that in George's treatments he was looking at this older version of Luke as more of a "Col. Kurtz" type figure; but you neglected to mention that before Kurtz became a *Villain* he was hailed as a maverick Soldier, he had even inspired many of his own men to follow him deep into the Jungle, and hundreds of even Vietcong ended up following him.
So what's interesting and very intriguing here is the "Luke Skywalker" George was exploring in his treatments, may not have been just a "broken, shell of a man". He quite possibly could have been something of a mix between Kurtz and other archetypal figures.
Just think if the Luke in George's treatments had his own followers somewhere, that he had perhaps left when he went into his self-imposed exile.
As much as I agree that Lucas's original sequel trilogy would've been divisive and hated more than the sequels. I still would've like to see it. I'm interested in what comentary or point he would try to get across in the Star Wars story at that time. To see what was the last thing he'd have to say with his characters in his last Trilogy before truly leaving it to the next generation. I love seeing what artists have to say before they're passing and how they're art changes over the course of they're life. Something tells me the exploration of the mediclorians and the microverse idea was more going to be a not so sutle exporation on what binds life together beyond what we can actually see. Of course thats my head cannon but yeah I'd love to see what he had in mind but j guess will never know.
I also would've loved to see George Lucas push the Filmmaking to the absolute limit like with the prequels.
I get your point and I see the similarities now, but still there are too many major flaws in TLJ for me. Johnson may have had the right conceptional ideas, but he messed it up in the many details. I always said the ground structure of TLJ has merrits, even Luke being a
disillusioned hermit. But he went too far in too many ways and all of the bad humor. I cannot forgive him.
But thanks for pointing this out.
Yeah but the whole section with Snoke would have been different. This idea of a light character being born because of a dark side user does not sound like something Lucas would do. Balance is not equal parts light and dark.
I honestly have no idea how I should feel about this video essay. I disagree with a few things you said about the last jedi. In my personal opinion the last jedi is horrific. But Rian Johnson is an outstanding director and it shows, even in the last jedi. Things I hated though was what the movie did to Finns character. John Boyega deserved to be a jedi, just like the force awakens lead us to believe. They turned his character into a complete joke. Plus Disney humor is so bad in my opinion. You actually convinced me to re watch it though. Like, I know there's good stuff there.
Thank you so much!! I really appreciate the kind words. I just earnestly love The Last Jedi but understand its oddities
Yeah he is kinda competent has director and director only.
finn was never going to be a jedi, not sure what fans like you were thinking since TFA never implied he was going to be a jedi, have you even seen the movie?
@@barkley8285 I didn't expect him to be a Jedi, but at least a decent character. One of the most beloved characters from the Force Awaken is the trooper that screams "Traitor!" To Finn. We were promised he had a greater role in TLJ and that he was part of a elite force of Stormtroopers, so what happened??. Instead of sending Finn in a stupid quasi James Bond side quest let him escape and become a grey character ala Boba Fett.
@barkley8285 I did. The farce awakens sucked but they definitely had lines of him talking about feeling the force. The scene that comes to mind is when they were flying the falcon and escaping jakku. Have you even seen the movie? I'm not sure why fans like you come up with this.
The useless casino part. And the main villain dying unceremoniously are still present. I respect your opinion. But in my very humble opinion TLJ is a terrible movie.
The casino part isn't useless, Finn grows and changes because of that experience. Also Kylo doesn't die (snoke is not the main villain - he is a narrative tool for kylo's development).
@@Bobdobbinks wise words have been spoken thank you. I have spoken
Yes, about the only things Disney discarded were Lucas' weirdo bugs element, that they rightly knew wouldn't translate at all well with fans. The rest of his ideas were shown in the finished film, only with far better dialogue and less slapstick.
I truly can't comprehend having such a burning hatred for a movie that seven years later, one feels obligated to search out videos about it, clearly not watch them, and leave hate comments. What a sad way to live life.
I know, right? lol!
I take issue with the two sides being political. I am a progressive who can't stand the reactive, rightwing hate mob. But I clearly see issues in the sequels, and the poor choices Abrahams and Johnson made. The cast is excellent, and the cinematography in the first two beautiful, but the moves lack character development, retread and remix the original trilogy beats badly and fail to explore the potential of the idea seeds this new trilogy had. It also fails to pass the baton from the legacy characters to the new ones and Rey deserved her own heroes journey but didn't really get one. Finn is probably the most poor used too, who had an incredible story to tell of the children soldiers who became the stormtroopers of the first order. I am going to second the poor choices with Luke too. We needed to see his fall, and regardless, none of us buy he would consider killing his nephew.
I think TLJ is fine until they sidetracked Finn just to get him out of the spotlight. #justsaying
Another banger
I generally agree with everything you're saying here but i feel i need to add that the Canto Bight sequence could have come right out of the prequels - politically focused but also extremely goofy. Very George.
Agreed!!!
Banger. Nothing but bangers all around. Beautifully made video once again!
Nothing but lies and misinformation lolololol a typical Disney lover
@@rcdune7132 go back to your hole. this is a positive space for people who dont spread negativity everywhere they go like a cancer. Let others enjoy what they like, and go somewhere else if you dont enjoy it
As a fellow Last Jedi fan, this video blew my mind. I knew that George Lucas was inspired by classic cinema, but I didn't know some scenes in A New Hope were send-ups to other movies like that! And seeing Rian Johnson do the same in his Star Wars outing is a cool parallel to a different era of cinema.
I don't know if Rian Johnson's own rumored Star Wars trilogy is still a thing that's going to happen, but I would like to see him return to the franchise again one day.
Take my sub and consider me a fan!
Thank you so much! Glad to find others who love this film like I do
Hmmm, 7 would have been a little worse, but 8 and 9 would have been better.
What I wanna know is what the immensely talented people who made Andor would have done with the sequel trilogy.
That’s an interesting proposition, because the tone of Andor is so different from the mainline Star Wars films
If Lucas directed the sequel trilogy, we would've definitely got some killer bad ass lightsaber duels. Unlike the nonsense presented to us in all 3 movies, which was amateur. Although, I do understand some of your points, Reeon Johnson is decent director, I enjoyed Looper but that's about it. What was missing for me, was all the lore building of the Jedi and Sith, empire, rebellion, among other things. The disney movies were missing those, all promises and questions, never to be answered. All in all, I was disappointed in the sequels trilogy, haven't watched anything new Star Wars since The Last Jedi, but still regularly watch the Prequel and Original and read the legends novels(which are far superior)
I love Legends too
You should definitely watch Andor
Imagine if we got a Dennis Villenueve Star Wars movie. It would have been beautiful 🤩
Would be interesting to see if his type of storytelling and writing would fit the Star Wars universe.
@@StarWarsCentralized I think it would definitely be visually astounding. I feel like his sense of scale would do great environmental storytelling. It would be a much more somber Star Wars experience, maybe reminiscent of The Empire Strikes Back
@@Mangofett23 Oh yeah, lots of empty grey rooms and basic shapes insteads of ships,with everyone wearing black,brown or grey.
@@marcosrecio4062 and yet it would still look better than the glittergasm that is the Rise of Skywalker
@@Mangofett23 Yeah,but that's not really a high bar
Hey if u can please buy and read star wars book dology it has actual quotes from Lucas and what he said somewhat contradicts this video
The Archives books? I’ve read the prequel one
The Last Jedi should have gotten the accolade that Dune Part Un et Deux are getting. TLJ is 10x better than Villenueve's junk food cinema.
TLJ says more about modern world than Villenueve's Dune
Bait used to be believable
After the Rebels won, there were no more stormtroopers in my version of the third trilogy.
(...)
Episode VII, VIII, and IX would take ideas from what happened after the Iraq War. "Okay, you fought the war, you killed everybody, now what are you going to do?" Rebuilding afterwards is harder than starting a rebellion or fighting the war. When you win the war and you disband the opposing army, what do they do? The stormtroopers would be like Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist fighters that joined ISIS and kept on fighting. The stormtroopers refuse to give up when the Republic win. They want to be stormtroopers forever, so they go to a far corner of the galaxy, start their own country and their own rebellion.
There's a power vacuum so gangsters, like the Hutts, are taking advantage of the situation, and there is chaos. The key person is Darth Maul, who had been resurrected in The Clone Wars cartoons - he brings all the gangs together.
(...)
Darth Maul trained a girl, Darth Talon, who was in the comic books, as his apprentice. She was the new Darth Vader, and most of the action was with her. So these were the two main villains of the trilogy. Maul eventually becomes the godfather of crime in the universe because, as the Empire falls, he takes over.
The movies are about how Leia - I mean, who else is going to be the leader? - is trying to build the Republic. They still have the apparatus of the Republic but they have to get it under control from the gangsters. That was the main story.
It starts out a few years after Return of the Jedi and we establish pretty quickly that there's this underworld, there are these offshoot stormtroopers who started their own planets, and that Luke is trying to restart the Jedi. He puts the word out, so out of 100,000 Jedi, maybe 50 or 100 are left. The Jedi have to grow again from scratch, so Luke has to find two- and three-year-olds, and train them. It'll be 20 years before you have a new generation of Jedi.
By the end of the trilogy Luke would have rebuilt much of the Jedi, and we would have the renewal of the New Republic, with Leia, Senator Organa, becoming the Supreme Chancellor in charge of everything. - George Lucas
“What I wish is that [Disney] had been more accepting of [George Lucas]’ guidance and advice. Because he had an outline for '7', '8' and '9'. And it is vastly different to what they have done.”-Mark Hamill 2017
George Lucas’s Version Of Luke for his sequels has nothing in common with The Last Jedi’s version of Luke. The Luke Lucas describes for his sequels isn’t a trauma col. who has mental issues. He rebuilds The Jedi Order. Trains Leia, & The Next Generation before he dies.
Lucas’s ideas weren’t used in Disney’s sequels and he expressed as much himself.
“"Uh, I don't know. I mean, I've kind of
lost control of Star Wars, so it's
going off in a different path than
what I intended. But the first six are
very much mine, and my
philosophy.”-George Lucas
If you want a better idea of what George actually had in mine, these coming from his mouth and not from the mouths of people he’s worked with I’d suggest watching this: th-cam.com/video/6qDQ5Ae0AkA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lHi7nx-LKjHMhGwq
lol Star Wars Theory no thanks
@@StarWarsCentralized lol 😂 hey you’re call but that video contains George’s treatments for his sequel trilogy directly from his mouth and they’re nothing like The Last Jedi or mostly anything people at Disney or some former people who worked with George claim they are. They don’t mention any arc of trauma or failure for Luke’s character. These TLJ Luke ideas were actually just spread through collaboration before Lucas left the projects entirely when Bob Iger admitted to not using his sequel treatments. George’s own ideas don’t even mention this which means George allowed other people to add their own ideas in during the project like Luke going through some type of “drama” but when he found out his ideas were being abandoned all together he just left.
@@StarWarsCentralized If you actually just want the information even without Theory involved just focus on the Star Wars Archives by Paul Duncan because those actually describe what Lucas planned to do with these films from his own words. Everything else by other people differs or contradicts what Lucas says and that’s mainly because your hearing there interpretations not George’s direct ideas.
Check the end of my video- my reading recommendation for the video is the Star Wars Archives by Paul Duncan lol I’ve read it
@@StarWarsCentralized I already watched your video, I know you read it. I’m saying if you want Lucas’s direct ideas just stick to the archives everything else is questionable because it either doesn’t line up with Lucas’s ideas, or isn’t mentioned by him specifically.
You said it best. "Politically partisan reasons." That's how you get garbage like The Last Jedi.
George was also very politically partisan. The original trilogy was George's ode to Vietnam, with the Empire representing the industrialized combatants (an amalgamation of the United States, the Nazis, and the British), and the rebels represented the Viet Cong.
You're telling me the sequels could be *worse* ?
LOL
Imagine if in 99 there would have been yhe Internet we know today
😭😭😭
The last Jedi is still trash thanks to the world building setup it got. The movie definitely has its highs, they are not high enough for me personally.
I understand, yet I really, really adore this film
And Disney turned Star Wars gay
IKR Ventress slays so much 😌
Cope
>not a single named gay character in these movies
>"disney turned star wars gay!"
the fuck are you talking about
This is what I've been saying!!! I'm glad someone else picked up on all the Lucasisms in TLJ
Are you on crack?
🤣🤦🏻🤣🤦🏻 wow this may indeed be one of the WORST takes on Last Jedi I've ever heard... Please don't ever try to make comparisons between George Lucas and that uncreative hack Rian Johnson... It's always hilarious when Disney Trilogy lovers desperately try to defend those movies and also try to make them deeper and better than what they actually are😂😂 this video has talking points that have been debunked time and time again... Such as exile Luke Skywalker was a George Lucas idea lololol that was debunked in 2020 and yet people still can't seem to comprehend that. Also the sequel Trilogy was always meant to be about Luke rebuilding and maintaining the New Order, Leia rebuilding the Republic, Darth Maul ruling the criminal underworld with Darth Talon, and the grandchildren of Anakin Skywalker. The Grandson (Sam or Skylar) who was to be seduced to the dark side by Darth Talon and the hero of the story would end up being his sister, Kira... LUKE WAS NEVER GOING TO DIE IN GEORGE'S EPISODE 8... HE MAY NEVER HAVE DIED AT ALL. ... I really thought this might have been an intriguing video but it's just another Disney lover making excuses for a crap movie . LMFAOOOOO dude actually tried to say that last Jedi is similar to a new hope and that George Lucas's movie would have been extremely similar😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Last Jedi is similar to A New Hope but is a messier film, and George Lucas’s film would’ve been similar.
@@StarWarsCentralized WRONG
The hatred against Last Jedi is actually preety justfied. The main reason is because movie meant to be divisive. Ryan himself beleives thst the best kind of movie is a divisive one. He actually can do a fan fav movie. He just choose not to. And this is a huge slap to Starwars fans.
And for Luca's threatments. I do beleive he probably would go with the Darth Maul. Due to do Clone Wars. And it probably would be something similar to Iraq war in reall life. And Leia probably will be the choosen one ıf we go thst route.
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I think people ignoring that politics in Star wars are just a plot-device for the events,and has nofthing to do with ideological pov. I mean look at legends,there are so many stories where rebels shown as unhinged while Empire shown as positive.
I really disagree with your first point there. He likes when movies get people talking, and when people have different opinions on them, but his intention with The Last Jedi was not for it to be divisive.
@@StarWarsCentralized considering it is the most divisive movie in the all 9 ep,ı hardly beleive that was an accident. He probably did not think it would be this divisive . Even ep 1 and 2 was not %20 as divisive as Last Jedi when they came out.
Am I the only one who likes Jar Jar Binks?
I love him
2-4 people agree with you at least
I tolerate him
It would’ve been shit
For me, the sequel trilogy as a whole consisted of a slew of good ideas that were poorly executed combined with a bunch of bad ideas that were well executed.
What good ideas were poorly executed? What bad ideas were well executed?
@@cantnevercould9660 Good idea example: evil began to rise again in a familiar form. Bad execution: it was so familiar that it looked like plagiarism.
Bad idea example: Rey is more powerful than anyone that came before, and is flawless, with nothing to learn. Good execution: Rey was so clearly shown at every opportunity on screen to be more powerful than everyone else in every single way possible.
@@seamusoneill5765 Evil began rising in a familiar form? Are you referring to the First Order?
@@cantnevercould9660 Yes. The First Order is clearly “The Empire 2.0”, both in terms of visual design and the role which they play in the story as antagonists.
@@seamusoneill5765 In my opinion, reusing the Empire vs Rebels conflict but with a new shade of paint is what destroyed the Sequels.
They had to jump through hoops to make it work by destroying the New Republic.
Good video! I think your channel has a lot of potential :)
Thanks so much!
For however many film references the two directors would use, theirs is a fundamental, irreconcilable difference: Lucas does everything in service to telling his story, while Johnson does everything in service to expounding on the nature of story. It's narrative vs meta-narrative.
The Rashomon reference absolutely serves Rey’s story significantly, as it determines how she relates to Luke and Kylo, her two main relationships in the film.
@@StarWarsCentralized I'm familiar with Rashomon in the sense that I know it's a retelling of events from different viewpoints, but I haven't seen it to know whether shots from The Last Jedi are recreations from Rashomon - regardless, all I wanted to say what that shot recreations, plucked from the history of cinema, are wholly unnecessary to telling a good story. A New Hope is the hero's journey - that is, it follows a virtually instinctive narrative structure that has been with us for millennia. The Last Jedi, in contrast, is about the struggle to make a "Star War".
" 'The Last Jedi' was as close to Lucas as we're going to get." That is correct because "The Last Jedi" is a weak re-make of "A New Hope". It had NOTHING to offer because it was a corporate ripoff of the Star Wars fandom. I never watched any of the Star Wars movies after TLJ because I could see the handwriting on the wall. Lucas probably never should have made the prequels, but the sequels showed me conclusively that the Star Wars franchise was intellectually bankrupt and had nothing new to say. This happens to artists in the music business all the time. No reason to believe Lucas was immune. He had hit a wall. You think no? Tell me then what you thought of Lucas's movies after the prequels...oh right...there weren't any.
The Last Jedi is absolutely not a remake of A New Hope lol
absolutely not a new hope remake lol
The Force Awakens is a shitty retelling of a new hope
The Last Jedi is the character assassination of Luke Skywalker
12:27 New Republic was way better than resistance.
Who cares Star Wars is dead and buried for all time Lucas himself confirmed 2 weeks ago.
it was plainly obvious that lucas didnt have a raging hate boner for disneys movies for years now yall have just been deluding yourselves
@@Crusty783
Well at one time he also said that he felt that he had sold his creation which he saw as his child to child slavers so if anything he's a worthless flip-flopper who can't be taken seriously on anything because he doesn't give a flying 💩 about anything much less his creation.
As usual TH-cam censors silences and deletes everything I post as they only allow Leftoids to post whatever the hell they want
TH-cam keeps deleting everything I post
Everything I post TH-cam immediately deletes
I was bracing myself for one of those whiny "The Last Jedi sucks" videos but this was really insightful.
Thank you so much!
Johnson is by far a better director and storyteller than JJ, perhaps if Johnson would have been given all 3 sequel films they could have been coherent and better all around. Great video
i fw the sequels alot but GOD they'd be so much better if Rian made all of then
While visually the most interesting of the sequels, this film has other issues nothing to do with Lucas that make it problematic and extremely distasteful to watch. 1. The humor which feels too meta and real world. There are literally “can you hear me now” and “your momma” jokes in the film. Something about all the sequel films are strange because they feel aware - like the new characters know they are in a Star Wars film rather than existing in the universe. 2. The actions of characters like Admiral Holdo and Poe. Poe is suddenly an insubordinate jackass and Holdo a secretive (for no reason) feminist that seems to have a chip on her shoulder partly because Poe is a man. 3. Snoke being set up as a new threat(Darth Plagueis) and murdered without explanation in such a weird anticlimactic fashion that destroys the narrative because the next film does nothing interesting with it. 3. The mechanics of the slowest space chase in history as people zip away and return without issue to travel to a casino on a mission. 4. Some of the worst dialogue/romance in any of the films “that’s not how we’re going to win, dummy…” - I could go on and on. While the last Jedi is the most interesting of the sequels, because it’s not an ersatz JJ Abrams copycat derivative heap, it’s still a hot mess because the choices are so weird and… bad. Luke’s arc is actually probably what Lucas intended and it’s actually the best arc in the film and would have been controversial even if Lucas had made it, because fans didn’t want to see their hero who had progressed and achieved Jedi status in the OT be so broken. Frankly it could have been fixed by making the reason for Luke’s exile different (how about because the force told him to wait and study the answer to the galaxy’s imbalance… which had not come for 10 years- rather than some uncharacteristic thought to kill his nephew). I digress- people forget Lucas on his own (prequels) stunk in the execution. It was the collaborators on the OT that made them what they were. Lucas left to his own devices would have made prequels 2.0… not the OT 2.0.
After I heard Lucas sold Star Wars, I never looked at anything Star Wars until a few months ago. I never knew there even was another trilogy. Then one day curiosity got the better of me, and I bought the DVD's in Barnes and Noble one day. My first impression was this before seeing anyone's commentary. It had its moments. The characters Rey and Kylo Ren were interesting. I did not like the way they did Luke. It was so out of character. I did not like how they just rubbed out Han Solo. It seemed to me the movie was about killing everybody off. I liked the return of Palpatine, but I would have preferred he not be wiped out so fast. Every side was incompetent. The rebels were disjointed. The First Order was oafish. The Final Order was pretty dumb to be defeated by one hit on one gizmo that destroys hundreds of star destroyers. I couldn't stand that purple haired rebel woman.
I would say it was certain individual characters that were interesting. Fin and Poe were cool characters. Rey was a pretty good character. Kylo Ren was pretty good. Seeing Rey as a Sith was cool. The idea of a Sith wayfinder and a Sith dagger was cool.
The "all the Sith" vs "all the Jedi" was a little corny. I'd say overall they are OK movies but not equal to the first six.
I have not seen anything else because I have heard about the politics of the people writing them, and I don't like what I am hearing.
Honestly, its crazy how much J.J screwed this up for everyone. Episode 7 is just a much worse version of a new hope but, crucially, left exactly NO WHERE for anything to go. Just mystery boxes with no answers and left all the problems on a new guy. Hate Johnson all you want, but there's there's, like, not really anywhere for them to go. White men screaming crazy faces for 100s of hours didn't help, but honestly, what could Johnson have done to fix the threads that J.J seared off with his dumb, stupid box of a movie?
I think that maybe going forward, they could maybe use a few of George's ideas for an animated series set before or during the Sequel films. Not retconning the films, but adding more to them.
I think some of the much more out there ideas, like the Whills and the Midi-Chlorians, would work better in animation, like the Yoda arc in Season 6 of the Clone Wars. Maybe Leia could have a similar story about accepting death and learns about Rey's relationship to Palpatine.
If an animated series is set before TFA, I could also see Luke working with surviving Jedi from Order 66. There was concept art in The Mandalorian for Plo Koon, so that'd be a cool character dynamic of two similar but different Jedi. It could add more to the downfall of Luke's Jedi Academy.
Overall despite my few problems, I do still enjoy most of The Last Jedi, with the exception of Canto Bight and how that arc was messy, and the specific choice to have Luke throw the lightsaber, even though I understand what Rian and JJ were going for and I like a flawed Luke.
Wish the prequels could be remade to show the true manner in which a good person can be corrupted. The originals actually show pretty well how a corrupt person can be saved.
The prequels should be true to the New Hope scene where Obi Wan explains everything. Made in that tone, the entire Star Wars series would have been one of the greatest stories ever told. This is probably amongst the best scenes in all the movies, music and all.
Wonder if someone will one day remake 6 movies.
The problem with George Lucas's Star wars is George Lucas he's an overall big picture guy and doesn't write the best dialogue The empire strikes back is regarded as the best Star wars story ever told and it's the one he has the least involvement with. even many of the actors change their lines, and the best writers of Star wars are arguably the book writers like Timothy Zane those should have been the inspiration for the new stories going forward but this idea that you have to "surprise the audience" they can't know what's coming for the movie to be good is complete nonsense, the Lord of the rings trilogy stuck to the books and the only reason that game of thrones was good is it stuck to the books until up to the point where there was no books people who tell stories through literary language, have a stronger storytelling mind then ones that are solely developed on a visual one so when you combine the two talents you really get a really good story that's narratively interesting and visually interesting "special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing" George Lucas
the last jedi is my second favorite star wars movie of all time
I love it too! It’s my favorite!
even if as similar in concept. George used screen testing and would not have knock knock jokes and an indifferent Luke . Yoda was in exile and was still able to be grounded and Stoic when needed even as a puppet.
The concept of The last Jedi should be a problem there should be no last Jedi only "the last of the old Jedi the first of the new" Luke should be setting up the academy without stories like heir to the empire and the Jedi academy series this story will never be complete because that sets up the thousands of years of story that's in the Legends that should be Canon
Honestly, after experiencing the prequels and witnessing Lucas' attitude toward the franchise from the late 90s on...im not the least bit interested in his vision for the sequels.
I still maintain that the sequels were just not necessary. We shouldve gotten a new, separate trilogy following a different group of characters. Han, Luke, and Leia had their story, and it was over. I had no interest in seeing their elder versions shuffling around on screen trying to be relevant. Lucas wouldve needed to do a sequel trilogy in the 90s. It was too late by 2015
Ultimately, its the reason why im not terribly aggravated with the sequels we received, despite them being mostly awful: they were completely superfluous. If Return of the Jedi had ended with some kind of cliffhanger element plugging some future story...then i could see wanting to continue that story. But it didnt.
Honestly the last jedi is a massive improvement on rise of Skywalker. Maybe if johnson had the whole trilogy or the last 2 to develop his ideas properly it could have been saved. The last jedi is likely my favourite out of the sequels but the casino section really holds it back. The fear of referencing the prequels meant that could have had more polictical world building but no senate hearings allowed.
There should've never been a "Last jedi" that was ben Kenobi. Destroying the new Republic was pretty stupid, making Rey the last Jedi was inconsiderate and disrespectful to "the return of the jedi".🤦🏾♂️
Considering George's terse words about Disney and Star Wars lately, I don't think I want to speculate.
Which terse words? Last I saw he defended the Disney company
Biggest thing, he wouldn’t of made Luke a bitch
disheveled miserable old man luke came from the mind of lucas btw lol
@@Crusty783except it doesn’t lol
honestly i don’t like the sequels but that’s not the point we can argue about it for hours and changing no one’s mind
the real problem with them (in my perspective) is that they were too vague for a normal star wars movie
what we have been used to is for major events to be explained in a way in the movies
for example the phantom menace when it released was something kind of unexpected but when you watch episode 2and 3 you see why it was needed
in the sequels we don’t get enough explanation for many things
(and i know many questions were answered in expanded universe but that is not accessible to everyone like me and it separates from the main line media )
for example why ray becomes near to ben power levels so quickly and many more that are in other comments
i don’t have a problem with the story that much but it lacks enough context and depth in the movie itself in my point of view and could have been much better that didn’t made many of the og fans wanting it to be removed from the canon
I think the beginning needed a rewrite. It should've started directly after the previous movie ended with instead of throwing away his lightsaber, Luke should've been shocked and begun to ask Rey how she found him, who sent Rey to Luke's whereabouts, how she found the lightsaber, she shouldn't be here and turn back now. As Rey struggles to respond to Luke's many questions, Luke angrily looks back down on his lightsaber and throws it away at the ocean below with more rage and then proceeds to walk past Rey telling her to just leave and that Luke is dead or something.
After seeing Rey and Chewie convince Luke out of hiding we then cut back to the battle in space from the actual movie.
Cant wait for EFAP to make a 3 hours "Disney Shill" reaction video
Good thing I address that in the video
Cuz this is a Disney shill
Do you think George Lucas would have included the scene where Luke tossed his father's lightsaber over his shoulder for a cheap laugh?
No, but maybe Luke would have dropped or denied it. Just tonally different, similar beat.
@@StarWarsCentralized That scene in Rian Johnson's "The Last Jedi" is not only the low point in any Star Wars media, but it's the worst moment in cinema history. Just a total F-U to Mark Hamill, George Lucas and the millions of people who have loved Star Wars.
@@moneyandboneshahahaha are you seriously trying to compare those two scenes??😂😂
@@troyfoster6004 yeah but isn’t Luke’s Dad like Darth Vader? I would throw away the lightsaber that killed a bunch of kids and was the weapon of anakin’s fall to the dark side…Seems to be a lightsaber of PTSD if anythingI think if anything the last Jedi is an ode to Luke, his final redemption just like his father had a final redemption, and yoda’s speech to Luke at the end sums it all up “the greatest teacher failure is,” something that changed Luke to face kylo ren from across the galaxy in order to inspire Rey and the resistance.
Should have given some credit to the novel 'Heart of Darkness' which was the inspiration for 'Apocalypse Now'.
I so hate Episode 8 that I have never watched it since opening weekend lol. But to each their own.
I should have mentioned that, yes, but the Kurtz section was already far too long!
Also you should rewatch it with an open mind
I consider this era George’s era as canon not the Disney era anymore thank you
Would George really make Luke a depressed washed up Jedi? I thought George cared more about the kids
I hate what we got not for political reasons but because they threw away what the creator made to rehash the ot to pander to toxic fans who bullied George out of his franchise
I think The Last Jedi respects the prequels, can’t say the same about the other two as much
Jar Jar Abrams ruined everything🙏
I disagree, though he probably did make the worst choices for the sequels
@@StarWarsCentralizedwrong Disney did
I disagree about Lucas including flashbacks. While they do draw for Kurosawa, none of the first six Star Wars movies have any flashbacks whatsoever, so I'm tempted to say their absence was a stylistic choice, in which case it's one Lucas would no doubt have maintained in the Sequels.
I don’t think he would necessarily do the flashbacks, but he may have done a similar story
I'm not down with Luke dying under any circumstances.