I feel like also Anakin’s character development made his relationship with Padme more believable. Like in the Prequels his relationship with her is very awkward and angsty and it doesn’t make sense why she’d be attracted to him outside of maybe looks? Clone Wars fleshed him out and made him likeable.
Funny thing, my mother actually says Clone Wars Padme is her least favorite show character because she says she doesn’t believe Padme actually, likes Anakin in the show.
For real, like we need someone to rewrite the start of their relationship. We are told they’re in love without knowing exactly why, besides the fact that they’re both physically attracted to one another. But instead of having them bone each other into oblivion like wild rabbits, Lucas tries to imply that there’s some kind of deeper love without showing how it manifested. It’s infuriating. Maybe if the selfless and heroic aspects of each of them were fleshed out more and they were both able to bare witness to them, then it would be more believable. We could see instances where Padme does something kind for some people who are less fortunate than her, and maybe Anakin could see it; conversely, there could be another instance where Padme is witness to Anakin doing something selfless or kind for someone else. Maybe she could be the one to initiate their relationship, and he could be resistant at first because it goes against his Jedi teachings. However as time goes on and he sees how compassionate, brave, and capable Padme is, Anakin can no longer deny his feelings for her and they consummate their relationship in either sex or marriage.
@@MrPjw5 I always saw it as Anakin liking her from their meeting in Phantom Menace it's obvious Anakin likes her from their first meeting, if you watch the movie again you might see that Padme seems to acknowledge his affection in their own way. Like the scene where Anakin gives her the Japor necklace, and it's almost implied Anakin is about to tell her that he likes her when she cuts off him and says "You miss your mother." I mean meeting Anakin is the whole reason I think Padme was wrote into the Tatooine arc, there's no other reason for her to be walking around with Qui Gon and Jar Jar. I think the whole reason Anakin was so keen to help Qui Gon was because of his attraction to Padme. So to me it always felt natural, I never questioned it like you did.
I don’t know about everyone else here....but as an eight year old, I cried in the theatre when my hero, anakin, turned to the dark side.....I was a wreck haha
Yeah because for you, the movies and scenes DID earn the title of tragedy. You were connected to it. This video is for people who failed to understand and connect to the prequels. The ones who need it explaining to them. They have no emotional attachment to the prequels
I dont remember my first time either, but I think I felt fear, and anguish at Anakin falling to the dark side and when he killed the children, sadness I beleive.
The way I viewed it was like this. George Lucas literally had to much story to cover in the prequel so he had to solely focus on the negative traits of Anakin Skywalker; his arrogance, his emotional instability, his flaws that will lead him down to the dark side while clone wars chose to highlight his positive character traits such as his compassion and deep love for those close to him. They're 2 sides of the same character.
AYYY this is what I always tell people. They're not fundamentally different in anyway, we just see sides to the character in TCW that Lucas probably should have made more time for
Maybe it’s because I liked the prequels (read Episode 3) but I found The Clone Wars improved and expanded Anakin rather than saved him. Awesome video nonetheless.
absoul112 I’m glad you found lots of enjoyment in the prequels, especially Anakin. I always disliked an Anakin from the films. TCW made me not only like him but also I think turned him into a better character and making the films more enjoyable. Thank you for watching!
I love the CGI Clone Wars but I wish Gennedy Tartakovsky's version was also still canon because I feel like it fills in a lot of the gaps between Attack of the Clones and the 2008 Clone Wars series. Maybe Disney will re-make it to fit the new canon?
@@ibraheemh5586 idk maybe because that's basically the whole point of his character? The emotional instability. You wouldn't understand his turn to the dark side if it wasn't for exactly that.
Well your not suppose to love Anakin, especially not in the way one would love Obi-Wan or Luke. He’s he bad guy, or at least becomes one. Prequels Anakin makes the fact that he becomes Vader much more believeable compared to the smooth talking ladies man in TCW.
@@MrZackavelli he brings up valid points. Do I agree with everything? No I believe anakin was good before clone wars but clone wars really helped expand his likeability
outside of his writing I love how physically imposing Anakin is in the clone wars, he rlly feels like a soft hearted badass, but you genuinely see Vader in some fights like against Bariss when he starts to just overpower her physically.
I would say that the Fault of the Prequels is that it's a Movie series. And that's probably one of the majority reasons why Anikan was saved. It was able to flesh him out
I think that’s a problem that can be found in the DCEU. Warner Bros does not spend enough time building their characters and universe like Marvel did, so the characters were not compelling and Justice League felt lacking
For years I told people anakin was favorite character from Star Wars before ever watching any of the prequel films, and that was all because of this show
For the Matt Lanter voice part, that was kinda George’s fault. He wanted Hayden to sound a lot whiney than he would normally sound (which does suck for Hayden).
@@raafeyplayz7015 In AOTC Anakin is a teenager so ofcourse compared to Clone wars Anakin he seems whiney and immature Clones Anakin is In he 20s and married in AOTC Anakin is a immature inexperienced padawan He's still developing learning revenge of the sith and clones anakin are he must still grow towards
@@raafeyplayz7015 Also Luke in a new hope was also whiney That complaint about Anakin being whiney is subjective doesn't make him a bad character I mean look t Rey she's not whiney but she a bland nothing character
I always thought that it was way smarter to paint anakin as an emotional, likeable, and powerful guy who would do anything for the people he cares about. Although I do like Hayden, he wasn’t very likeable in episode 2, mostly being whiny or creepy. I think what they should have done is made him seem like a great jedi, likeable and kind, but then show a bit of his darkness for the fist time though the tusken raider scene.
If he would've been more likable, people would've complained more about how his turn to the Dark Side doesn't make any sense. George Lucas showed what he had to show, then in Clone Wars he had a little more time to show what he wanted to show.
@@zachk.1682 but if he isnt likable, then the turn feels less like a heartbroken moment and more like an expectation. Now obviously going into the prequels we know he will go bad, however for a narrative purpose you'd want to make him look as good as possible so we really feel when he turns to the dark side
I think that during episode II, at the beginning he should have been more obedient and respectful to obi wan showing how he deeply cared for his master’s approval but as the film continues we start to see how he lets his feelings guide him. For example one of the stupidest moments in that film, for me at least, is when obi wan is captured and the Jedi order Anakin to stay in Tatooine and he’s like: yeah ok no problem, I mean wtf, he’s obeying the order instead of rushing out to safe his best friend?. It takes Padme to convince him to go.
@@emanuelnunez1071The guy just buried his mother,give him a break..He saved Obiwans life twice in the movie,and while trying to save Obiwan they got captured and needed saving themselves.
First time seeing one of your vids, now I'm subbed. A lot of Clone Wars analysis videos of amazing quality and low view counts have been surfacing lately.
@@znmckague Preach my brother Dave Filoni is a fraud clown writer the original clone wars show was the best and it respected George Lucas's vision for the prequels unlike filoni's tcw that creates contradictions and plot holes in the films and it caters to the prequel haters aswell these people are so petty that they use this show to bash the prequels
Awesome vid I 100% agree with you. My girlfriend has never watched Star Wars before and I finally convinced her to watch it with me we started with the prequels (not my idea) and to my surprise, she actually really enjoyed the first two so I suggested we watch The Clone Wars before RotS. I just knew that if she watched the series she would fall in love with these characters so much more than from just the movies for all the reasons you mentioned, which would make it all the more tragic when *you know what* happens. I actually think a mixture between this show, hatred of the sequels, and a bit of nostalgia/memes is the reason the prequels are making somewhat of a comeback in popularity.
I think the spike in Prequel love is due to people my age, who saw them as children and loved them then and still love them now, are of age to be a loud presence on the internet - I imagine something similar will happen with the children of the sequels in 10-15 years
@@ParadoxicWasHere I don't think that will happen with the sequels and here's why: The OT was popular enough to warrant more Star Wars content like the EU. The prequels were popular enough to warrant more Star Wars content like The Clone Wars. You can't say this about the sequels. In Disney's announcement of the new shows that are coming to Disney+, not one of them are based on the sequels. In department stores, sequel toys litter the clearance sections. Criticism of the prequels was mostly blinded by OT purism and all of the complaints prequel haters make can pretty much be wittled to not liking the creative choices George took. There is a fundamental difference between the sequels. They're a soulless copy/paste job of the OT because Disney saw that the OT tested well with audiences in 1977-83 and wanted to duplicate the box office receipts. When you tell the exact same story that takes place right after what you're copying, you take all the significance away from the original blueprint. The picture-perfect ending of Return of the Jedi is now hollow because the problems that were solved in the OT turn out to be completely unsolved since the same problems just sprout up again. The sequels turned the OT into the equivalent of Garven Dreis' proton torpedoes ("Negative, it didn't go in") and have installed themselves as the equivalent of Luke's force-guided torpedoes. There are bunch of other problems as well: Complete lack of a coherent narrative since there was no plan for the trilogy (this is what happens when you tailor your story to the complaints of your previous film in order to get as many asses in the seats) no realism (how do the Death Star remains not burn up upon entering the atmosphere?), practically none of the aliens we've seen in the previous films make an appearance, repeated contradictions of established rules of the universe, a fundamental disconnect from the rest of the franchise (It's long been established that Korriban/Moraband is the homeworld of the Sith, yet we get this completely new planet that the movie tells us is the true Sith planet), they attempt to give the appearance of furthering social progress with lazily-written female characters that are superior to men just because they have a vagina, while pathetically crumbling to real-life bigotry (they shrunk Finn on the Chinese poster since an African-American wouldn't be as popular and a shoddy attempt at promoting LGBT acceptance with a same-sex kiss in the end of ROS that takes up literally a second of screen-time that can easily be cut from theatrical releases that play in homophobic cultures), they didn't innovate any new film technology in the slightest (a hallmark of Star Wars films), and plot holes galore. The reason why the prequels are getting support these days is largely due to the fact that kids that grew up with the prequels can now make their voices heard, but I think you're overlooking the significance of this. The kids that grew up with the prequels didn't spend years formulating their own backstory of Darth Vader and then react negatively when it didn't match. They were untainted with the prejudice that all these OT purists have. They went into the films without any pre-conceived notions or biases, and could see the films for how great they really are. It isn't due to blind devotion of what they loved as children. It isn't because kids will just love anything that's presented to them. It's because they saw the films with clear eyes instead of being blinded by nostalgia goggles. It highlights that 90% of prequel criticisms stem from preference for the OT and the fact that this is something different. When Batman v Superman tested negatively with audiences, Superman IV and Batman & Robin didn't start to get a new wave of appreciation. That's because Superman IV and Batman & Robin are objectively pretty poor films. I was one of these kids that grew up with the prequel theater runs as a kid (4 for TPM, 7 for AOTC, 10 for ROTS) and my appreciation for them has only grown over the years. Conversely, I grew up with the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy as well, but I don't defend them blindly in my adulthood just because I grew up with them. I'll defend the first two to the death, but I won't defend the 3rd one because I didn't even like it that much when I saw it as a kid. Hate for the sequels these days isn't just because they're new. Star Wars fans love Rogue One and The Mandalorian. It's because there are objective flaws with the sequel trilogy that won't go away over time. Sure, there might be a slight uptick in support for the trilogy as the years go on, but it won't be nearly as huge as the renewed appreciation for the prequels. The sequels are just a lazy cashgrab, and it's pretty hard to objectively defend that.
Even though The Clone Wars wasn't perfect, it did a lot of heavy lifting that was crucial for fixing these characters and making them ones that we love.
Growing up, I didnt understand Anikin's position. Now as an adult, I understand he was kinda used by the Jedi. If only Qui Gon had survived Naboo to complete his training 😔 Still, killing the younglings not right at all
The Sith require the death of your humanity to truly embrace the dark side. Part of Sith training is killing those closest to you, like your parents. Eventually you must surpass your master by killing them. When Anakin kills the younglings, he has already killed Dooku and Windu. He has thus committed to the path of the dark side. He doesn't want to kill the younglings, but he has been told this is what is necessary to save Padme. In the end he would sacrifice everything in the universe for her if he thought that's what it took. He cries as he kills both the younglings and the good child within himself. I think there's a reason the kid who comes to him resembles Anakin at that age. And they were all hiding until they saw it was Anakin who they loved and trusted to protect them.
I can only speak from my own experience but when I saw Revenge of The Sith in theaters it hit people pretty hard. Nobody was laughing at the dialogue, Order 66, Jedi temple massacre, Anakin killing kids and his fight with Obi Wan people were genuinely shocked and responding positively kids like me at the time and adults alike. I didn't even know about people hating on the prequels until 2010.
The crap Anakin had to put up with throughout The Clone Wars makes me feel arguably LESS bad for the Council members (minus Obi-Wan, Plo Koon, and Kit Fisto) that met their ends in ROTS!
@@jcrews8582 Ye Plo and Fisto have their shit together. Windu made his own bed. TCW episode with him and Jar Jar trying to stop the cultists really hits home a lot of his characterization
Anakin Skywalker for me never needed saving. I felt for him very early on and have observed many young men in my lifetime who were as lost as he was. George doesn’t get enough credit for his excellent storytelling.
Something you didnt truly mention is how the show showed that Anakins fall was a gradual slide not a single bad dream turned him evil. Torturing the Geonosians using the dark side, killing people that could have been disarmed amd so on
@@thegoldman25 Clone Wars shows that Anakin will do anything to protect the people arround him so its not a far reach that he would try everything to safe padme
I think the show also just helps highlight more of the clash between Anakin and Jedi Order when it comes to forming attachments. I’m currently re watching the show and there are these moments scattered about where Anakin refuses to abandon someone because he cares about them. The one that especially comes in mind is when Ashoka and other padawan get stuck in rubble after blowing up a factory and Anakin is desperate in finding them while the other master is much more detached and unemotional about the situation. It’s a great juxtaposition and every time moments come up like that I’m just like it’s because he’s terrified of loosing people and failing them.
I love Anakin's portrayal in the prequels and in the show. I think the Clone Wars is amazing and definitely build on top of the prequels but the portrayals are so different that it sometimes feels like two entirely different characters. I try to think that the Anakin during the clone wars is generally happier and more light hearted since its between the time he married padme and was becoming the hero of the war. But there's certain things that are so different that its hard to say their the same guy. Had to be done though. A dark, bruting Anakin would not have made for a fun show and a happy, light hearted Anakin would have made the movies kinda weird. Either way both are awesome.
In my opinion anakin in the movies is great especially Hayden’s performance played the character exactly how it should of been TCW just expanded and added to him it didn’t save him in my opinion
As much as I like the clone wars it never saved Anakin Skywalker, it showed a more friendly side of himself when he’s not around people at a higher rank then him because a lot of people didn’t understand him in the Prequels even though it was pretty obvious.
In my opinion the trilogy isn‘t enough to tell the downfall of Anakin Skywalker. It would have needed some more films, but with the series there was a much easier way to show more adventures. I mean George wanted to give children also a possibility to connect with Star Wars and don‘t make it all dark and deep. So maybe that‘s because I am so much into Star Wars, but i think these films have great parts.(Yeah some are bad, but thats also the case in the OT) Great video btw.
That scene in ROTS where Anakin sits on his own in the council chambers is my favourite scene in all the Prequels too! I definitely agree that TCW fleshed out Anakin a lot. I never hated the Prequels or Anakin, but I didn't really care for them either. After TCW my perspective shifted entirely and now I really enjoy Prequel era Star Wars and feel that ROTS is so much more impactful after watching TCW. It's just nice to be in a place where I enjoy all aspects of Star Wars. It's a peaceful life 😂
I definitely agree that one of the big downsides of the prequels were that they had to cram too much, which came at the expense of really fleshing out characters
I think Dave filoni did a good job of portraying Anakin like what obi wan portrayed him in a new hope. I hope he does the same thing with Rey and giving her more flaws and explain her powers
For me the clone wars existed to basically fix all of the terrible things about the prequels : It improved on Obi-wan It fixed Anakin It fixed Dooku It fixed Mace Windus It fixed Jar Jar (while he was similar to his prequel counterpart, I wasn’t nearly as annoyed and I love the arc of him and windu teaming up) It fixed most of the background Jedi like plo Koon, kit fisto and barris toffee It fixed the clone troopers It fixed the world building It fixed Yoda It fixed the dialogue It fixed the overall visual looks It fixed Grievous ( I know you hate greivous but if I had to chose 2008 CW grievous or episode 3 grievous, I’d go with the former) It fixed Palpatine (besides episode 3, in the first 2 prequels he didn’t do anything) And most importantly it fixed ............ Darth Maul
I’m glad that Anakin was reworked in the clone wars, it strengthen his character a lot emotionally, and so much detail was put in him. Also him and obi want relationship was shown a lot more.
To be honest, my headcanon demands very liberal interpretation of the sequels. Early Clone Wars Anakin is just not the same character as Anakin of Attack of the Clones. Revenge of the Sith's Anakin isn't Anakin of the late Clone Wars. You can't have that optimistic, confident, loving, true leader, charismatic smooth-talking person and then believe that this nervous unstable kid is the same character. No. Clone Wars broke continuity. But for me, breaking continuity to fix a flaw in the story is acceptable.
Early Clone Wars Anakin isn't Anakin from Attack of the Clones. There's been a year of war since then, he's passed the trials to become a Jedi Knight, and he's at the point where the Council is willing to entrust him with a Padawan. The 2003 series did a better job bridging that gap, it showed you immature AOTC anakin, leading up to him getting knighted and then gave you a montage of him doing heroics that built up his confidence. I wish there was a bit more of that in TCW as it missed a very important stage of his development, for all the other good TCW did.
@@Strongpoint_S you are right! My bad. It was a period of 1 1/2 to two months following that, and he passed the trials and became a jedi knight four weeks after after AOTC. Which is enough time for him to get a bit more confident about things following marrying the love of your life and not being in training anymore.
The prequels aren’t objectively bad. Like, there’s nothing wrong with disliking them, but it doesn’t factually make them inferior movies. Just like how the sequels aren’t objectively bad, neither are the prequels. It specific to people’s opinions.
I also think that they were able to build the character because they had 7 seasons to. The prequels have a lot to cover and not that much time to do so.
You do such a great job of communicating these ideas. It’s weird that he’s one of my favorite, and least favorite characters whether in CW or prequels. It’s AMAZING to see Hayden show his love for the character but as the more fleshed clone wars(esk) anakin
Thanks! I really appreciate comments like that, it means more than you know. I am just starting out so I'm grateful that I already have 56 subs. Hopefully I can grow more soon!
Even though I always love the Prequels, I do give you that it managed to save Anakin Skywalker. Yet, it completely destroyed General Grievous's character.
Great video bro, subbed and liked. When I showed my girl Star Wars for the first time I tried something a little different. I started with ANH and ESB. Unfortunately, it’s hard for anyone these days to not know “I am your father.” But I felt like there was a decent amount of drama during that scene for her, mainly because it’s such a well-written scene. Then we watched TPM (mainly to get it out of the way lol) and then I actually skipped over AOTC. I briefly explained that the Republic authorized the creation of a clone army, yadayada, just to sort of rationalize why all of the sudden there are good guys fighting in white helmets. Instead, we watched TCW over the course of a few weeks and it actually lined up really well with the release of the conclusion to season 7 of TCW. When we watched ROTS, I honestly got emotional watching *her* watch Anakin fall to the dark side. Then we watched ROTJ and same thing. Almost teared up when Anakin finally wins that internal battle with Vader and saves his son. I think you’re absolutely right, there’s no question that TCW Anakin is far superior to AOTC Anakin, and they really did their best to fix him in ROTS but it was too little, too late. By allowing her to only get to know TCW Anakin and the relationships he had with the characters around him, I think I improved her experience 100%. Matt Lanter is her Anakin now, and I think since the entirety of the first six movies is about his journey, having a more well-written character to focus everything around makes everything hit that much harder. Despite its flaws, I am super excited to watch through Rebels with her. I can’t wait to see her reaction when Vader and Ashoka duel, and you can momentarily hear Matt Lanter’s voice break through Vader’s mask. I fucking love Star Wars bro. Flaws and all. Despite my mixed feelings toward the sequel trilogy, I’m so glad Star Wars is at least back at the forefront of everyone’s minds. Can’t wait to see what comes next. Cheers to you all!
He had perfect character development before CW as well. Anakin lost a mother whom he could not visit because of the rules of the Jedi, even then he destroyed the Tuskens and ceased to trust the order. The Chancellor always treated him well and encouraged his ambitions. Further, he angrily killed the unarmed Dooku, breaking the code, was not given the title of master and was forced to spy on the chancellor, was not allowed to battle with Grievous, he saw Padme die, as he did with his mother, and Palpy promised to save her, plus promised strength, power and immortality, he was jealous of Obi-Wan, while Windu wanted to kill unarmed Palpy before his eyes, although the head of the Jedi himself ... Well, when Windu slammed, there was no turning back, only to complete the work of the empire. No, yeah ... I didn’t even watch the series.
Yess great video!! Such good points. I just started recently watching clone wars for the first time and as someone who doesn't really like the prequels and thought Anakins character was handled quite poorly there, I was very pleasantly surprised to see him in Clone Wars. He's reckless but also just really heroic and at the end of the day just wants to save as many people as possible, but he also doesn't hesitate to kill people. He isn't arrogant and whiny but it makes sense why he would eventually fall to the dark side. Like you said the prequels constantly tell us stuff about Anakin and his realitionships, but they fail to show it. A lot of stuff just doesn't feel earned and It's a shame! Overall I'm really glad that clone wars exists, the show succeeds in so many things and was a really good addition to this franchise. (You also used the perfect clip to start this video!)
Your right about a lot of things in this video. Anakin turned to the dark side because of his love for Padme and his fear of losing the main emotional anchor in his life. The Jedi basically treated Anakin like trash and were not there for him when he needed support, the whole “emotions are bad, they’ll make you turn to the dark side” thing is bogus. Everyone in the galaxy has emotions, and that does not mean that they should be ignored like the Jedi say. Great video!:).
We do feel the tragedy of “two brothers fighting “ we’ve watched the young boy grow up and lose the people he loves . Watched him finally turn to dark side out of desperation
The Clone Wars truly made the fall of Anakin Skywalker a tragedy and the birth of Darth Vader heartbreaking to watch. From Palpatine rechristening Anakin as Darth Vader, to him being maimed and burned on Mustafar, to him being put into the iron lung that is the Vader suit.
While I don't mind TCW Anakin, I personally prefer the original Anakin(from the films, the original Clone Wars cartoon, and the books from that era). I feel like they kinda made him into a jock or a marvel superhero type personality to make him inoffensive and more accessible, while sacrificing some of the traits that made Anakin a more 3 dimensional character, like his vulnerability, his dry sense of humor, and his unique frailties. It's harder for me to imagine TCW Anakin as a guy who was raised by a very loving single mother, while also in bondage, who then became a Jedi. I think TCW Anakin could have been vastly improved and a deeper character if they had used Matt Lucas to voice him like in the 03-05 Clone Wars series. In fact, and this might be sacrilege, I wouldn't have minded if they had found a new voice actor to do Obi-Wan rather than Anakin. Obi Wan comes off in both shows way more arrogant than he was in any of the films.
I'm so glad to find someone who feels exactly as I do. You explained my ferlings perfectly and even came to the same solution as me (using Mat Lucas). I agree completely
@@xx_creeperslayer_xx1943 interesting, for me TCW Anakin is more believable to become Vader. Episode 3 is my favourite SW movie of all time, but before I watched TCW it was hard for me to believe that the immature and emotional wreck portrayed by Hayden is actually the great Jedi General, hero of the war, who will become the undefeatable Sith menace in the original trilogy. However they should be one and the same, and I'll try to view them as such. Btw TCW is what George wanted, he supervised the whole show, Dave Filoni originally wanted Ghost Crew-type main characters, it was Lucas who said no, it should be about Anakin.
The downside of the movies, OG and Prequels alike, is that the movies cover the worst moments of the protagonists because that’s what’s important to the plot. The difference between Anakin’s relationship to the Jedi and Luke’s relationship to the Rebel Alliance is that we can assume Luke’s relationship has been positive in between 4 and 5 that we can’t really see with Anakin and the Jedi between 2 and 3 because the Prequels are about how isolated he is. By turning Anakin into Darth Vader Lucas couldn’t make his fall convincing if the Jedi were all buddies with him.
Agreed. Anakin did not show a stable sense of self, was aggressive, creepy, demanding and entitled in the films. I never understood why Obi-Wan would describe him so fondly from these. Then I watched The Clone Wars, really liked Anakin, and finally connected to the emotions of his downfall.
Anakin of TCW is another character with no dark traits. He is a timid guy in both movies, disrespected by all of his colleagues (except obi). In the series he is a common good guy who has the trust of the council to lead very risky missions alone, something that Windu and Yoda would never permit in the movies. TCW destroyed Anakin portrayal
@@thegoldman25 the "dark traits" are so far-fetched that do not seem reasonable. He says to Trench that he does not has the weakness of the Jedi not killing unarmed enemies, but in the movies he clearly does has that code, even hesitating to kill the man that took his arm off. This moments are just flashs the writers have to say that they tried something.
To me, despite everything the Clone Wars shows, I still never could *TRULY* understand the extent of his fall. I always got that he and the Jedi Order weren’t on the same page and they couldn’t provide him with the emotional guidance he needed, and so him leaving was fine. But the gap between the man he is in the Clone Wars that r even as a child, and the man he is by the end of Eisode 3 are just entirely different. He killed the sand people because he didn’t see them as human, because they were monsters who killed his mother. The Jedi were simply incapable or at least unwilling to change and allow him to fully be himself, and do what he thought they needed to win the war. But despite all that, I still don’t see how he slaughters those kids. It’s not like he just left the order, he became It’s antithesis.
Just my opinion, but I feel like the Anakin in TCW series is just another good Jedi. He’s not all that conflicted or unstable, so it feels like a huge stretch that he’d fall to the dark side. The Anakin in the prequels - yes, he’s whiny and cringy - but he’s also extremely volatile, so his turn to the dark side feels believable.
not sure if you'll ever read this comment.. but the issue is.. the Prequels started out with Anakin as a little kid and the next two movies there just wasn't enough time to break down the relationships unless you wanna do a couple of 5 hour movies, or make it more then a 3 part prequel... the Clone Wars had 7 seasons and the first few seasons were 20 plus episodes.... Feloni and Favreau gave themselves much more time to build on the relationships Anakin had with Obi-Wan, Padme and the rest of the Jedi Order and adding a new character in Ahsoka into it was brilliant.. maybe Lucas should have narrowed down Anakin's childhood in Episode The Phantom Menace to the first 20 minutes and then fast forwarded 12 years later or so... then they would have had more time to build on the relationships.... since Qui-gon Gin has been a non factor in the Clone Wars series, maybe they should have just killed him off quick instead of building such a big story line out of him
I believe George Lucas opened up about how he initially wanted The Phantom Menace to introduce Anakin already as a teen rather than a kid. It was the late 90s and of course he had Leonardo DiCaprio on his mind. But when he reached out to Leo and talked about it, he declined the offer. George probably couldn't think of anyone else of that age to play Anakin at that time, so he aged down the character.
I've always said anakin in the movies was a whiny shitbag but in clone wars he was a troubled, hero with a temptation slowly dragging him to the dark side
No, TCW Anakin was a stereotypical smooth talking ladies man who made is unbelievable that the character would turn to the dark side and become the galaxy’s most feared Sith Lord, Darth Vader. Prequels Anakin was the gifted but flawed and troubled youth that fell to temptation and fear and makes more sense in becoming Darth Vader. This is no knock on the Clone Wars by the way, it’s a kiddie show, making it more kid friendly by kiddying up Anakin was the purpose so kids would like it.
Thank you for this video, I was looking for something like this. I especially liked how you described Padme as Anakin's anchor. For someone who has always a storm inside him like Anakin, the anchors in their life have crucial importance to maintain their mental and emotional stability. As you mentioned this is why he is so unstable when her life is in danger. With all of the things he has been through (in the Clone Wars series and before), it is easy to see why he loses it when his last line of strength is in danger.
This video is very amazing. Star Wars The Clone Wars is also absolutely amazing. It managed to humanize our favourite characters and did it in an epic and a truly beautiful way.
@@thegoldman25 it’s not that I can’t handle them, hell, the prequels aren’t good movies objectively speaking. But a lot of the points he makes against anakin in the prequels just aren’t true if you listen to/watch what the characters are doing. It’s pretty obvious that he sat through the movies just to grab a couple easy points for this video, he didn’t actually pay attention or he’d realize that many of his points are addressed.
I will admit the clone wars fixes not just anakin but a lot of the characters seen in the prequels, and while I feel the execution could have been done better the clone wars demonstrates that the writing for the prequels was really strong.
The fun fact is that filoni worked and understood from George Lucas. Doing the clone wars was also George Lucas who wanted to add what he always wanted and entrusted the work to filoni. To fill the gap in the movie and also add that which he couldn't keep in a film
2:21 The moment you said remember, I got an ad that said, "This is a tempur-pedic mattress." That was just after you were talking about his Padme nightmare XD
my only critique would be that we shouldn’t see anakin’s “femininity” as a weakness or “annoying”. sure, some people can argue that they just don’t like hayden christiansen’s voice, but to say that it’s specifically less masculine is very toxic in a lot of ways. femininity in a man should not be seen as weakness, neither a powerful woman needs to be masculine to show strength. anakin is a very complex individual, and in the movies rather than the clone wars, i see a lot of potential for neurodivergent coding. if you’re not familiar with the idea, i’ll do my best to break it down for you. neurodivergence is just a big fancy word to describe someone on the spectrum-the spectrum being the autism disorder spectrum. as an autistic man myself, i see a lot of myself within anakin. i’ve kind of built up the idea of what anakin could be, therefore growing to love that version of him, instead of the one we actually see. an example of beautifully crafted masculinity with hints of nd coding would be newt scamander. most of you may be wondering why i’m bringing up a harry potter character into the star wars discussion, but bare with me. now, i do not support j. k. rowling in any sense of the word, but she does have some wonderful writing of characters (ignore crimes of grindlewald). newt is an emotionally complex individual, and shows a lot of vulnerability which can be seen as traditionally “feminine”. now, the biggest issue was people’s reactions to such a character-calling him uninteresting or just a weak lead. this goes back to the hardwired belief that femininity equals weakness, and if your male character shows weakness, then you might as well cut off his dick and slap him in the face with it. anakin’s character certainly has flaws (from an objective critique standpoint, rather than flaws within a character), but that doesn’t make him worthless. i think the femininity inside him is a great showing of george lucas’ ideations of character. though, people could say that anakin and luke are “nd coded” because it’s an inflection on lucas’ own life and personality (which don’t get me started on how deep in that spectrum he is). but the potential he gives for great characters should not go undermined or even tossed to the bin. i’ve been able to build my own version of anakin in my head and i love him so much as a character, just as filoni did and you guys loved him as a character. but anakin’s vulnerability and femininity are a part of his character that shouldn’t have been erased. anakin is a strong, emotionally vulnerable man with hints of asd, and even though his writing and perception was bad, his potential for representation should not be forgotten. i love anakin skywalker.
Nah, Anakin in prequel was just fine or already good. TCW only added more of him in a good way. but i’ll say 2D clone wars did it perfectly. 3D TCW anakin’s voice just makes me feel like two people are completely different and also i think it's pretty rude to an actor. They were good because of clones like rex, fives, echo, heavy. Hell clones were literally the main character of the show
I liked Anakin in the show but when you compare him to his 2003 clone wars version and then ROTS he is very in consistent. He is a very different character.
@@thegoldman25 the prequels bring everything together. Like yeah we got a few more glimpses of Anakins turn in the clone wars, and especially seasons 5-7. But in episode 2 although it’s shotty acting or whatever you can see him struggle with his attachment to his mom, then in revenge he has that same attachment struggle with padme. Also palpatine making him believe the Jedi are betraying him makes him feel as if his entire life is pointless and he has nobody except padme, and he just wants to save her
Anakin was good regardless of TCW. In fact TCW kind of contradicted his character from the films and the Expanded Universe. But then again TCW did that a lot. Much to the chagrin of the Expanded Universe writers.
@@KingNazaru Grievous, Barriss, Luminara, Mace, Anakin, Maul, Aurra, the Mandalorians, and Dooku were just SOME of the characters that TCW completely trashed 😤
@@KingNazaru And don't even get me started on Ahsoka. Easily one of the worst additions to Star Wars I have ever seen. Let alone the fact that it makes *no* sense for Anakin to have a padawan (she would've been better off as Plo Koon's padawan) as the Council barely trusted him and he was still a student himself, Ahsoka was an insufferably self-righteous brat who outshone countless Jedi Masters as well as the Chosen One himself with her ridiculously overpowered feats and who Dave Filoni insists on shoving into any and every show he possibly can. Such a trash character 😤
Everybody so often forgets, (rather conveniently, I might add,) when talking about how we aren't shown how powerful Anakin is as a Jedi in Revenge of the Sith, that he saved Obi-Wan from the Buzz Droids before successfully landing on the Invisible Hand, and then he SOUNDLY defeated Count Dooku, while rescuing the Chancellor and then rescued an unconscious Obi-Wan again by carrying him to safety on his back. All before taking control of the critically damaged Separatist Dreadnought and crash landing it safely enough on Coruscant, just for good measure, all in the film's opening act. I agree, his portrayed in the expansive Clone Wars series, in which essentially unlimited screen time can be devoted directly to developing any one particular character at all, especially one of the small handful of primary antagonists, does more effectively do so. And in a far more compelling way, as well. His relationship with Obi-Wan, and everyone else around him is much more effectively fleshed out in the Clone Wars series, as well. Without question. But I also think his depiction in the prequel trilogy isn't nearly as inadequate as so many love to assert. And especially his portrayal in Revenge of the Sith, in particular, which qualifies quite sufficiently as a demonstration of how powerful Anakin was, as a warrior, and as a Jedi, showing us AS WELL AS telling us, if proper attention is paid, right there from the initial opening sequence of the movie! Added together with his duel against Obi-Wan at the end, in which he holds his own only really losing by ultimately overestimating his own power, and it's HARDLY as if he's only ever shown killing defenseless Jedi Padawan Younglings and thousands of inept Battle Droids. That's only when inexcusably omitting the rest of the narrative that took place, on screen, right from the end of the opening crawl. (Which happened to also arguably be one of the franchise's most exciting and visually stunning opening sequences ever put to film.) I'm just sayin' 🤜 💥 🤛 #FriendlyReminder #ConstructiveCriticism #DontShootTheMessenger 👍
When most people talk about power/being powerful in star wars it is 99% to do with the force not the proficiency with a light saber or how well you can fly a ship
bruh, i am not trying to hate or deprive ur joy, but WTF the first time i watched ROTS i felt so many emotions and such sorrow towards obi-wan and padme i felt the tragedy in there duel and when padme died, and i think that can be said to MANY people
Anakin's tragic flaw is not his emotions, it's that he has a hard time of letting go of things. Those are George Lucas's own words from the 2004 Star Wars Trilogy bonus disc DVD from the Darth Vader featurette as a preview of what's behind the scenes of episode 3 at the time.
I didn't really like the prequels when I first watched them but as I grew older, I started to love them and I feel what the movie intends you to feel and are now from my favorite movies.
I really like your analysis of the Clone Wars and Prequels, and I agree with you for the most part. But I'm going to be an asshole and point out that you are making some assumptions here. I did feel the tragedy of the Prequels long before the Clone Wars came out. And I know a ton of other people who did too. The memes are fun, but I think many of us are capable of feeling the sadness even with the limited information that we received. Lucas told the story that he felt he needed to at the time. He only focused on the most potent moments of Anakin's life, because thats all he had time for. Love it or hate it, Star Wars is also about how a free society can fall into tyrannical dictatorship. Lucas had to spend some time to show this, because it is his vision after all. For those of us who were open-minded enough to watch the Clone Wars, we got to see more fleshed-out characters. But I'm sure that even the people who didn't watch the Clone Wars learned a thing or two from the Prequels as well.
The clone wars movie had to cover most of the massive plotholes of the original saga, and that meant having little time to fill galaxy sized gaps, and revenge of the sith had to address the why anakin became darth vader, which it did again in a very limited time without loosing focus on a galaxy wide war. Sure a lot of points were left behind, but as you said we can all feel the tragedy
The Clone Wars basically took the Anakin from the Opening of Revenge of the Sith and spread it across 7 Seasons and a Movie.
this is true
@Kurupt Force He's a desperate troll. He's everywhere in the comment section spamming "cLoNe WaRs BaD!"
@C man Man Thanks for proving my point
@C man Man "do you need me to keep calling TCW all the time?" - reinforcing the fact that you're a spammer/troll lol
@C man Man Yes I do
I feel like also Anakin’s character development made his relationship with Padme more believable. Like in the Prequels his relationship with her is very awkward and angsty and it doesn’t make sense why she’d be attracted to him outside of maybe looks? Clone Wars fleshed him out and made him likeable.
It really did, great comment
Funny thing, my mother actually says Clone Wars Padme is her least favorite show character because she says she doesn’t believe Padme actually, likes Anakin in the show.
I agree 100%
For real, like we need someone to rewrite the start of their relationship. We are told they’re in love without knowing exactly why, besides the fact that they’re both physically attracted to one another. But instead of having them bone each other into oblivion like wild rabbits, Lucas tries to imply that there’s some kind of deeper love without showing how it manifested. It’s infuriating.
Maybe if the selfless and heroic aspects of each of them were fleshed out more and they were both able to bare witness to them, then it would be more believable. We could see instances where Padme does something kind for some people who are less fortunate than her, and maybe Anakin could see it; conversely, there could be another instance where Padme is witness to Anakin doing something selfless or kind for someone else. Maybe she could be the one to initiate their relationship, and he could be resistant at first because it goes against his Jedi teachings. However as time goes on and he sees how compassionate, brave, and capable Padme is, Anakin can no longer deny his feelings for her and they consummate their relationship in either sex or marriage.
@@MrPjw5 I always saw it as Anakin liking her from their meeting in Phantom Menace it's obvious Anakin likes her from their first meeting, if you watch the movie again you might see that Padme seems to acknowledge his affection in their own way. Like the scene where Anakin gives her the Japor necklace, and it's almost implied Anakin is about to tell her that he likes her when she cuts off him and says "You miss your mother." I mean meeting Anakin is the whole reason I think Padme was wrote into the Tatooine arc, there's no other reason for her to be walking around with Qui Gon and Jar Jar. I think the whole reason Anakin was so keen to help Qui Gon was because of his attraction to Padme. So to me it always felt natural, I never questioned it like you did.
I don’t know about everyone else here....but as an eight year old, I cried in the theatre when my hero, anakin, turned to the dark side.....I was a wreck haha
I don't remember when i watched it for the first time. also when are we covering episode 3?
Yeah because for you, the movies and scenes DID earn the title of tragedy. You were connected to it. This video is for people who failed to understand and connect to the prequels. The ones who need it explaining to them. They have no emotional attachment to the prequels
@@yamborghini391 no, its not, its because the prequels didn't do a good job at making Anakin a good character.
I dont remember my first time either, but I think I felt fear, and anguish at Anakin falling to the dark side and when he killed the children, sadness I beleive.
As we see him crying at the horrid actions hes done.
The way I viewed it was like this. George Lucas literally had to much story to cover in the prequel so he had to solely focus on the negative traits of Anakin Skywalker; his arrogance, his emotional instability, his flaws that will lead him down to the dark side while clone wars chose to highlight his positive character traits such as his compassion and deep love for those close to him. They're 2 sides of the same character.
you're not wrong
@@thegoldman25 great video, I love hearing you're take on Anakin Skywalker.
Yeah, they should have showed more of his relationship with Obi-Wan in the movies though
@@echobase5774 Maybe you should've been put in charge
AYYY this is what I always tell people. They're not fundamentally different in anyway, we just see sides to the character in TCW that Lucas probably should have made more time for
Maybe it’s because I liked the prequels (read Episode 3) but I found The Clone Wars improved and expanded Anakin rather than saved him. Awesome video nonetheless.
absoul112 I’m glad you found lots of enjoyment in the prequels, especially Anakin. I always disliked an Anakin from the films. TCW made me not only like him but also I think turned him into a better character and making the films more enjoyable. Thank you for watching!
Same. Though if anything as I grew older I liked Anakin more and more and I find him very relatable. Except all the killings.
Prequels are the reason i became fan of star wars, sequels almost ruined it but my love for prequels is more than my hate for sequels
@@phoenixgray9231 poor fool
i agree
Anakin is one of the reasons I love clone wars
same here
Same man!!
This is THE Clone Wars, not Clone Wars, which was made by Genndy
I love the CGI Clone Wars but I wish Gennedy Tartakovsky's version was also still canon because I feel like it fills in a lot of the gaps between Attack of the Clones and the 2008 Clone Wars series. Maybe Disney will re-make it to fit the new canon?
Yes he’s so awesome
I have felt this way too! I grew to love Anakin’s character so much more thanks to the Clone Wars. Great content!
Thank you for watching!
@Michael Taylor same but tbf Haydens normal voice sounds a lot like his, ifk why they asked him to sound whiney in the preuqels
@@ibraheemh5586 idk maybe because that's basically the whole point of his character? The emotional instability. You wouldn't understand his turn to the dark side if it wasn't for exactly that.
@@nikotakai8796 yeah probably, but then it makes little sense when he sounds quite emotionless in the clone wars for the vast majority of the time
Well your not suppose to love Anakin, especially not in the way one would love Obi-Wan or Luke. He’s he bad guy, or at least becomes one. Prequels Anakin makes the fact that he becomes Vader much more believeable compared to the smooth talking ladies man in TCW.
Why aren’t there more views on this?!? This is really good stuff!
I really appreciate the kinds words, thank you for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Because it just got recommended to me hahah but its a really good video!
This video is awful, what video were you watching?
@@MrZackavelli he brings up valid points. Do I agree with everything? No I believe anakin was good before clone wars but clone wars really helped expand his likeability
I find your lack of enjoyment disturbing
outside of his writing I love how physically imposing Anakin is in the clone wars, he rlly feels like a soft hearted badass, but you genuinely see Vader in some fights like against Bariss when he starts to just overpower her physically.
I liked the physicality of Anakin in the clone wars
Wrong
@@lukescrew1981 why so? Anakin was 6 ft 2 despite him not looking that height in the movies, so he's not wrong with saying that.
@@SWDude2710 Dude everything is wrong with Anakin in TCW
It's because of Anakin in tcw that the prequels don't look like idiot movies which standalone they are. @@lukescrew1981
I would say that the Fault of the Prequels is that it's a Movie series. And that's probably one of the majority reasons why Anikan was saved. It was able to flesh him out
YES! Anakin's story cannot be told in 3 movies imo
I agree 100%
That, plus bad dialogue, crappy green screen effects and under written characters
Totally agree!
I think that’s a problem that can be found in the DCEU. Warner Bros does not spend enough time building their characters and universe like Marvel did, so the characters were not compelling and Justice League felt lacking
For years I told people anakin was favorite character from Star Wars before ever watching any of the prequel films, and that was all because of this show
this show made him one of the bests
This is why I would love to see a ‘the clone wars’-style remake of revenge of the sith
I understand that but Filoni would never do that
Filoni should remake the prequel trilogy. The entire clone wars era deserves a more coherent story
@@hopelesssituationwarrior6996 He won’t because Filoni simply respects the prequels way too much. He would never want to do that.
Bad batch did a little
Foreshadowing*
For the Matt Lanter voice part, that was kinda George’s fault. He wanted Hayden to sound a lot whiney than he would normally sound (which does suck for Hayden).
@@trevturp6891 he really wasn't...
@@theanimehub2180 Yes he was
That was the whole point of Anakin when he was young he was impatient, arrogant, reckless and sometimes unstable.
@@raafeyplayz7015 In AOTC Anakin is a teenager so ofcourse compared to Clone wars Anakin he seems whiney and immature Clones Anakin is In he 20s and married in AOTC Anakin is a immature inexperienced padawan He's still developing learning revenge of the sith and clones anakin are he must still grow towards
@@raafeyplayz7015 Also Luke in a new hope was also whiney That complaint about Anakin being whiney is subjective doesn't make him a bad character I mean look t Rey she's not whiney but she a bland nothing character
I always thought that it was way smarter to paint anakin as an emotional, likeable, and powerful guy who would do anything for the people he cares about. Although I do like Hayden, he wasn’t very likeable in episode 2, mostly being whiny or creepy. I think what they should have done is made him seem like a great jedi, likeable and kind, but then show a bit of his darkness for the fist time though the tusken raider scene.
agreed, thanks for watching!
If he would've been more likable, people would've complained more about how his turn to the Dark Side doesn't make any sense. George Lucas showed what he had to show, then in Clone Wars he had a little more time to show what he wanted to show.
@@zachk.1682 but if he isnt likable, then the turn feels less like a heartbroken moment and more like an expectation. Now obviously going into the prequels we know he will go bad, however for a narrative purpose you'd want to make him look as good as possible so we really feel when he turns to the dark side
I think that during episode II, at the beginning he should have been more obedient and respectful to obi wan showing how he deeply cared for his master’s approval but as the film continues we start to see how he lets his feelings guide him. For example one of the stupidest moments in that film, for me at least, is when obi wan is captured and the Jedi order Anakin to stay in Tatooine and he’s like: yeah ok no problem, I mean wtf, he’s obeying the order instead of rushing out to safe his best friend?. It takes Padme to convince him to go.
@@emanuelnunez1071The guy just buried his mother,give him a break..He saved Obiwans life twice in the movie,and while trying to save Obiwan they got captured and needed saving themselves.
First time seeing one of your vids, now I'm subbed. A lot of Clone Wars analysis videos of amazing quality and low view counts have been surfacing lately.
Considering it’s a fantastic show, it deserves more
Dude, this isn't Clone Wars, it's THE Clone Wars. Different shows. Clone Wars was actually good and fit the established continuity, and TCW doesn't
@@znmckague Preach my brother Dave Filoni is a fraud clown writer the original clone wars show was the best and it respected George Lucas's vision for the prequels unlike filoni's tcw that creates contradictions and plot holes in the films and it caters to the prequel haters aswell these people are so petty that they use this show to bash the prequels
This video is really underrated
This comment is really underrated
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Awesome vid I 100% agree with you. My girlfriend has never watched Star Wars before and I finally convinced her to watch it with me we started with the prequels (not my idea) and to my surprise, she actually really enjoyed the first two so I suggested we watch The Clone Wars before RotS. I just knew that if she watched the series she would fall in love with these characters so much more than from just the movies for all the reasons you mentioned, which would make it all the more tragic when *you know what* happens.
I actually think a mixture between this show, hatred of the sequels, and a bit of nostalgia/memes is the reason the prequels are making somewhat of a comeback in popularity.
Very interesting viewing order to include clone wars, I’m glad she likes it!
I think the spike in Prequel love is due to people my age, who saw them as children and loved them then and still love them now, are of age to be a loud presence on the internet - I imagine something similar will happen with the children of the sequels in 10-15 years
Bro how did she react? I’m getting 3 of my cousins to go through this process too 😂
Did she watch it already? What did she say?
@@ParadoxicWasHere I don't think that will happen with the sequels and here's why: The OT was popular enough to warrant more Star Wars content like the EU. The prequels were popular enough to warrant more Star Wars content like The Clone Wars. You can't say this about the sequels. In Disney's announcement of the new shows that are coming to Disney+, not one of them are based on the sequels. In department stores, sequel toys litter the clearance sections.
Criticism of the prequels was mostly blinded by OT purism and all of the complaints prequel haters make can pretty much be wittled to not liking the creative choices George took.
There is a fundamental difference between the sequels. They're a soulless copy/paste job of the OT because Disney saw that the OT tested well with audiences in 1977-83 and wanted to duplicate the box office receipts. When you tell the exact same story that takes place right after what you're copying, you take all the significance away from the original blueprint. The picture-perfect ending of Return of the Jedi is now hollow because the problems that were solved in the OT turn out to be completely unsolved since the same problems just sprout up again. The sequels turned the OT into the equivalent of Garven Dreis' proton torpedoes ("Negative, it didn't go in") and have installed themselves as the equivalent of Luke's force-guided torpedoes.
There are bunch of other problems as well: Complete lack of a coherent narrative since there was no plan for the trilogy (this is what happens when you tailor your story to the complaints of your previous film in order to get as many asses in the seats) no realism (how do the Death Star remains not burn up upon entering the atmosphere?), practically none of the aliens we've seen in the previous films make an appearance, repeated contradictions of established rules of the universe, a fundamental disconnect from the rest of the franchise (It's long been established that Korriban/Moraband is the homeworld of the Sith, yet we get this completely new planet that the movie tells us is the true Sith planet), they attempt to give the appearance of furthering social progress with lazily-written female characters that are superior to men just because they have a vagina, while pathetically crumbling to real-life bigotry (they shrunk Finn on the Chinese poster since an African-American wouldn't be as popular and a shoddy attempt at promoting LGBT acceptance with a same-sex kiss in the end of ROS that takes up literally a second of screen-time that can easily be cut from theatrical releases that play in homophobic cultures), they didn't innovate any new film technology in the slightest (a hallmark of Star Wars films), and plot holes galore.
The reason why the prequels are getting support these days is largely due to the fact that kids that grew up with the prequels can now make their voices heard, but I think you're overlooking the significance of this. The kids that grew up with the prequels didn't spend years formulating their own backstory of Darth Vader and then react negatively when it didn't match. They were untainted with the prejudice that all these OT purists have. They went into the films without any pre-conceived notions or biases, and could see the films for how great they really are. It isn't due to blind devotion of what they loved as children. It isn't because kids will just love anything that's presented to them. It's because they saw the films with clear eyes instead of being blinded by nostalgia goggles. It highlights that 90% of prequel criticisms stem from preference for the OT and the fact that this is something different. When Batman v Superman tested negatively with audiences, Superman IV and Batman & Robin didn't start to get a new wave of appreciation. That's because Superman IV and Batman & Robin are objectively pretty poor films. I was one of these kids that grew up with the prequel theater runs as a kid (4 for TPM, 7 for AOTC, 10 for ROTS) and my appreciation for them has only grown over the years. Conversely, I grew up with the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy as well, but I don't defend them blindly in my adulthood just because I grew up with them. I'll defend the first two to the death, but I won't defend the 3rd one because I didn't even like it that much when I saw it as a kid.
Hate for the sequels these days isn't just because they're new. Star Wars fans love Rogue One and The Mandalorian. It's because there are objective flaws with the sequel trilogy that won't go away over time. Sure, there might be a slight uptick in support for the trilogy as the years go on, but it won't be nearly as huge as the renewed appreciation for the prequels. The sequels are just a lazy cashgrab, and it's pretty hard to objectively defend that.
Even though The Clone Wars wasn't perfect, it did a lot of heavy lifting that was crucial for fixing these characters and making them ones that we love.
agreed
Wrong the clones is perfect
@C man Man lol mad
@C man Man fucking chill bro, it’s not that serious
Growing up, I didnt understand Anikin's position. Now as an adult, I understand he was kinda used by the Jedi. If only Qui Gon had survived Naboo to complete his training 😔 Still, killing the younglings not right at all
Lol at the end
The Sith require the death of your humanity to truly embrace the dark side. Part of Sith training is killing those closest to you, like your parents. Eventually you must surpass your master by killing them.
When Anakin kills the younglings, he has already killed Dooku and Windu. He has thus committed to the path of the dark side. He doesn't want to kill the younglings, but he has been told this is what is necessary to save Padme. In the end he would sacrifice everything in the universe for her if he thought that's what it took.
He cries as he kills both the younglings and the good child within himself. I think there's a reason the kid who comes to him resembles Anakin at that age. And they were all hiding until they saw it was Anakin who they loved and trusted to protect them.
You're only saying that because you're a youngling. I can tell because you spelt Anakin wrong.
@C man Man the person who wrote the comment obviously
@C man Man he spelt it "anikin" instead of "anakin"
I can only speak from my own experience but when I saw Revenge of The Sith in theaters it hit people pretty hard. Nobody was laughing at the dialogue, Order 66, Jedi temple massacre, Anakin killing kids and his fight with Obi Wan people were genuinely shocked and responding positively kids like me at the time and adults alike. I didn't even know about people hating on the prequels until 2010.
That’s very fair
12:00 "How many _other_ lies have I been told by the council?!"
exactly
It’s a very long story.
The crap Anakin had to put up with throughout The Clone Wars makes me feel arguably LESS bad for the Council members (minus Obi-Wan, Plo Koon, and Kit Fisto) that met their ends in ROTS!
@@jcrews8582 Ye Plo and Fisto have their shit together. Windu made his own bed. TCW episode with him and Jar Jar trying to stop the cultists really hits home a lot of his characterization
@@jcrews8582 plo and kit the bro’s
Anakin Skywalker for me never needed saving. I felt for him very early on and have observed many young men in my lifetime who were as lost as he was.
George doesn’t get enough credit for his excellent storytelling.
I wish i felt the same way you do
You can’t forget the war crimes
of course
Something you didnt truly mention is how the show showed that Anakins fall was a gradual slide not a single bad dream turned him evil.
Torturing the Geonosians using the dark side, killing people that could have been disarmed amd so on
You make a great point
@@thegoldman25 Clone Wars shows that Anakin will do anything to protect the people arround him so its not a far reach that he would try everything to safe padme
Another reason why I love this show so much
@@thegoldman25 the first few seasons were meh but they picked up in the last few
The show didn't do shit
actually even before i watched the clone wars (which was a lot of fun) i cried at "you were my brother Anakin". granted, i cry a lot.
I'm jealous, when I watched that movie before clone wars i felt no emotion
@The Gold Man, you just got no soul... sorry!
I dunno. People who hate the prequels will keep hating them, clone wars or not, and i dont think he was a bad character to begin with.
I respect your opinion
Do you drink paint often? Or is it a recent thing?
@@PhonesHQ Oh, i've been addicted to the stuff even before i was born, i guess it cant be helped that only paint huffers could enjoy the prequels
I think the show also just helps highlight more of the clash between Anakin and Jedi Order when it comes to forming attachments. I’m currently re watching the show and there are these moments scattered about where Anakin refuses to abandon someone because he cares about them. The one that especially comes in mind is when Ashoka and other padawan get stuck in rubble after blowing up a factory and Anakin is desperate in finding them while the other master is much more detached and unemotional about the situation. It’s a great juxtaposition and every time moments come up like that I’m just like it’s because he’s terrified of loosing people and failing them.
I love Anakin's portrayal in the prequels and in the show. I think the Clone Wars is amazing and definitely build on top of the prequels but the portrayals are so different that it sometimes feels like two entirely different characters. I try to think that the Anakin during the clone wars is generally happier and more light hearted since its between the time he married padme and was becoming the hero of the war. But there's certain things that are so different that its hard to say their the same guy. Had to be done though. A dark, bruting Anakin would not have made for a fun show and a happy, light hearted Anakin would have made the movies kinda weird. Either way both are awesome.
Thank you for watching!
In my opinion anakin in the movies is great especially Hayden’s performance played the character exactly how it should of been TCW just expanded and added to him it didn’t save him in my opinion
i respect your opinion
True.
@@thegoldman25 and I respect you for respecting an opinion XD
I guess it depends on your age when you saw the Prequels. I was 33 when the Phantom Menace was released.
@@thegoldman25 that’s new
Great vid! Clone wars really brought me back my love for star wars
Thanks! The Clone Wars came out when I was so young so it's always been a part of Star Wars for me. I'm so excited to see it return
THE Clone Wars, not Clone Wars
As much as I like the clone wars it never saved Anakin Skywalker, it showed a more friendly side of himself when he’s not around people at a higher rank then him because a lot of people didn’t understand him in the Prequels even though it was pretty obvious.
I respect your opinion
In my opinion the trilogy isn‘t enough to tell the downfall of Anakin Skywalker. It would have needed some more films, but with the series there was a much easier way to show more adventures. I mean George wanted to give children also a possibility to connect with Star Wars and don‘t make it all dark and deep. So maybe that‘s because I am so much into Star Wars, but i think these films have great parts.(Yeah some are bad, but thats also the case in the OT)
Great video btw.
Thankfully, they have the comics and shows to fill in the gaps.
agreed
Wonderful video. Good evidence and well thought out! Good stuff to listen to while doing homework.
I appreciate that, thanks for watching!
That scene in ROTS where Anakin sits on his own in the council chambers is my favourite scene in all the Prequels too! I definitely agree that TCW fleshed out Anakin a lot. I never hated the Prequels or Anakin, but I didn't really care for them either. After TCW my perspective shifted entirely and now I really enjoy Prequel era Star Wars and feel that ROTS is so much more impactful after watching TCW. It's just nice to be in a place where I enjoy all aspects of Star Wars. It's a peaceful life 😂
This deserves how more views you did a great job on it
Thank you so much!
I definitely agree that one of the big downsides of the prequels were that they had to cram too much, which came at the expense of really fleshing out characters
i actually think TV is the future for Star Wars because of something like that
The Utapau arc also gives Anakin and Obi-Wan's relationship a lot of development, I really wish it was fully completed.
I loved that arc, part of me wishes they brought it back for season 7 but I'm not going to complain
Amazing video Gold Man! Look foward to your next one👍
Thanks Max! Always a pleasure hearing from you
I think Dave filoni did a good job of portraying Anakin like what obi wan portrayed him in a new hope. I hope he does the same thing with Rey and giving her more flaws and explain her powers
me too
For me the clone wars existed to basically fix all of the terrible things about the prequels :
It improved on Obi-wan
It fixed Anakin
It fixed Dooku
It fixed Mace Windus
It fixed Jar Jar (while he was similar to his prequel counterpart, I wasn’t nearly as annoyed and I love the arc of him and windu teaming up)
It fixed most of the background Jedi like plo Koon, kit fisto and barris toffee
It fixed the clone troopers
It fixed the world building
It fixed Yoda
It fixed the dialogue
It fixed the overall visual looks
It fixed Grievous ( I know you hate greivous but if I had to chose 2008 CW grievous or episode 3 grievous, I’d go with the former)
It fixed Palpatine (besides episode 3, in the first 2 prequels he didn’t do anything)
And most importantly it fixed ............
Darth Maul
I would completely agree
The worldbuilding in the prequels where amazing
I’m glad that Anakin was reworked in the clone wars, it strengthen his character a lot emotionally, and so much detail was put in him. Also him and obi want relationship was shown a lot more.
agreed
To be honest, my headcanon demands very liberal interpretation of the sequels. Early Clone Wars Anakin is just not the same character as Anakin of Attack of the Clones. Revenge of the Sith's Anakin isn't Anakin of the late Clone Wars.
You can't have that optimistic, confident, loving, true leader, charismatic smooth-talking person and then believe that this nervous unstable kid is the same character. No. Clone Wars broke continuity. But for me, breaking continuity to fix a flaw in the story is acceptable.
that's fair
Early Clone Wars Anakin isn't Anakin from Attack of the Clones. There's been a year of war since then, he's passed the trials to become a Jedi Knight, and he's at the point where the Council is willing to entrust him with a Padawan.
The 2003 series did a better job bridging that gap, it showed you immature AOTC anakin, leading up to him getting knighted and then gave you a montage of him doing heroics that built up his confidence. I wish there was a bit more of that in TCW as it missed a very important stage of his development, for all the other good TCW did.
@@MrSmitejr Since when there is a full year between the 1st Battle for Geonosis and the Battle of Christophsis?
@@Strongpoint_S you are right! My bad. It was a period of 1 1/2 to two months following that, and he passed the trials and became a jedi knight four weeks after after AOTC. Which is enough time for him to get a bit more confident about things following marrying the love of your life and not being in training anymore.
I really wish they would have kept Anakin consistent with the movies
I wish the movies were better
The prequels aren’t objectively bad. Like, there’s nothing wrong with disliking them, but it doesn’t factually make them inferior movies. Just like how the sequels aren’t objectively bad, neither are the prequels. It specific to people’s opinions.
Just saying, The Clone Wars is hands down the best Star Wars media that currently exists
It's one of my favorites!
@@thegoldman25 wrong answer. It IS your favorite
@Cap'n Salt That is just a terrible take...
I also think that they were able to build the character because they had 7 seasons to. The prequels have a lot to cover and not that much time to do so.
this is true
You do such a great job of communicating these ideas. It’s weird that he’s one of my favorite, and least favorite characters whether in CW or prequels. It’s AMAZING to see Hayden show his love for the character but as the more fleshed clone wars(esk) anakin
I like how casually anakin killed that guy
me too!
How did you only have like 56 subs dude. this is some great content fr.
Thanks! I really appreciate comments like that, it means more than you know. I am just starting out so I'm grateful that I already have 56 subs. Hopefully I can grow more soon!
Even though I always love the Prequels, I do give you that it managed to save Anakin Skywalker. Yet, it completely destroyed General Grievous's character.
thank you for watching!
Great video bro, subbed and liked.
When I showed my girl Star Wars for the first time I tried something a little different. I started with ANH and ESB. Unfortunately, it’s hard for anyone these days to not know “I am your father.” But I felt like there was a decent amount of drama during that scene for her, mainly because it’s such a well-written scene.
Then we watched TPM (mainly to get it out of the way lol) and then I actually skipped over AOTC. I briefly explained that the Republic authorized the creation of a clone army, yadayada, just to sort of rationalize why all of the sudden there are good guys fighting in white helmets.
Instead, we watched TCW over the course of a few weeks and it actually lined up really well with the release of the conclusion to season 7 of TCW. When we watched ROTS, I honestly got emotional watching *her* watch Anakin fall to the dark side. Then we watched ROTJ and same thing. Almost teared up when Anakin finally wins that internal battle with Vader and saves his son.
I think you’re absolutely right, there’s no question that TCW Anakin is far superior to AOTC Anakin, and they really did their best to fix him in ROTS but it was too little, too late.
By allowing her to only get to know TCW Anakin and the relationships he had with the characters around him, I think I improved her experience 100%. Matt Lanter is her Anakin now, and I think since the entirety of the first six movies is about his journey, having a more well-written character to focus everything around makes everything hit that much harder.
Despite its flaws, I am super excited to watch through Rebels with her. I can’t wait to see her reaction when Vader and Ashoka duel, and you can momentarily hear Matt Lanter’s voice break through Vader’s mask.
I fucking love Star Wars bro. Flaws and all. Despite my mixed feelings toward the sequel trilogy, I’m so glad Star Wars is at least back at the forefront of everyone’s minds. Can’t wait to see what comes next. Cheers to you all!
thank you so much!
Great analysis) You should keep going with making videos, you're doing great
I make 3 videos a week! You should check them out
This is great! You definitely deserve more subs
Thank you so much for the kind words!
Great Video! Love your content!
Great video homie!
Thanks dude!
You forgot about Mace Windu being one of the main factors that lead to Anakin's fall
i sorta mentioned that
@@thegoldman25 Really? Because I think Mace could have an explanation and how he fits into Anakin's fall to the Dark Side
He had perfect character development before CW as well. Anakin lost a mother whom he could not visit because of the rules of the Jedi, even then he destroyed the Tuskens and ceased to trust the order. The Chancellor always treated him well and encouraged his ambitions. Further, he angrily killed the unarmed Dooku, breaking the code, was not given the title of master and was forced to spy on the chancellor, was not allowed to battle with Grievous, he saw Padme die, as he did with his mother, and Palpy promised to save her, plus promised strength, power and immortality, he was jealous of Obi-Wan, while Windu wanted to kill unarmed Palpy before his eyes, although the head of the Jedi himself ... Well, when Windu slammed, there was no turning back, only to complete the work of the empire. No, yeah ... I didn’t even watch the series.
You should. Once you make it through the childish first two seasons, you’ll get to see peak Star Wars content.
@@reo_1907
I watch it at the moment. I just said that movies work on its own.
i wouldn't say perfect
*Lucas has taught Filoni well*
When he left Lucas, Filoni was but the learner. Now he is the master
I thought you were gonna to roast the prequels but instead you give a really good explanation
I think there are many pros and cons to the prequels, i try to be fair whenever i can
Yess great video!! Such good points. I just started recently watching clone wars for the first time and as someone who doesn't really like the prequels and thought Anakins character was handled quite poorly there, I was very pleasantly surprised to see him in Clone Wars.
He's reckless but also just really heroic and at the end of the day just wants to save as many people as possible, but he also doesn't hesitate to kill people. He isn't arrogant and whiny but it makes sense why he would eventually fall to the dark side.
Like you said the prequels constantly tell us stuff about Anakin and his realitionships, but they fail to show it. A lot of stuff just doesn't feel earned and It's a shame!
Overall I'm really glad that clone wars exists, the show succeeds in so many things and was a really good addition to this franchise. (You also used the perfect clip to start this video!)
Thanks got the kind words! I really love this show and I'm glad so many other people do too
3:34 Lucas also didn't give Padme any character beyond "Anakin's wife" in the prequels.
Your right about a lot of things in this video. Anakin turned to the dark side because of his love for Padme and his fear of losing the main emotional anchor in his life. The Jedi basically treated Anakin like trash and were not there for him when he needed support, the whole “emotions are bad, they’ll make you
turn to the dark side” thing is bogus. Everyone in the galaxy has emotions, and that does not mean that they should be ignored like the Jedi say. Great video!:).
Thanks for watching!
We do feel the tragedy of “two brothers fighting “ we’ve watched the young boy grow up and lose the people he loves . Watched him finally turn to dark side out of desperation
The Clone Wars truly made the fall of Anakin Skywalker a tragedy and the birth of Darth Vader heartbreaking to watch. From Palpatine rechristening Anakin as Darth Vader, to him being maimed and burned on Mustafar, to him being put into the iron lung that is the Vader suit.
Don’t forget clones being forced to kill they Jedi and Cody being forced to kill obi wan
Great video!! Keep it up
Thank you Drew!
While I don't mind TCW Anakin, I personally prefer the original Anakin(from the films, the original Clone Wars cartoon, and the books from that era). I feel like they kinda made him into a jock or a marvel superhero type personality to make him inoffensive and more accessible, while sacrificing some of the traits that made Anakin a more 3 dimensional character, like his vulnerability, his dry sense of humor, and his unique frailties. It's harder for me to imagine TCW Anakin as a guy who was raised by a very loving single mother, while also in bondage, who then became a Jedi. I think TCW Anakin could have been vastly improved and a deeper character if they had used Matt Lucas to voice him like in the 03-05 Clone Wars series.
In fact, and this might be sacrilege, I wouldn't have minded if they had found a new voice actor to do Obi-Wan rather than Anakin. Obi Wan comes off in both shows way more arrogant than he was in any of the films.
Very interesting take I had not heard before. I'm glad however that you like the Anakin from the films. Thanks for watching!
I agree with this. Can't buy TCW Anakin as a young Vader. It's not what George wanted.
I'm so glad to find someone who feels exactly as I do. You explained my ferlings perfectly and even came to the same solution as me (using Mat Lucas). I agree completely
@@xx_creeperslayer_xx1943 interesting, for me TCW Anakin is more believable to become Vader. Episode 3 is my favourite SW movie of all time, but before I watched TCW it was hard for me to believe that the immature and emotional wreck portrayed by Hayden is actually the great Jedi General, hero of the war, who will become the undefeatable Sith menace in the original trilogy. However they should be one and the same, and I'll try to view them as such.
Btw TCW is what George wanted, he supervised the whole show, Dave Filoni originally wanted Ghost Crew-type main characters, it was Lucas who said no, it should be about Anakin.
@@LordViktorHun88 Vader is supposed to be a pathetic insecure man under all that armor. George said it himself.
U kiddin?! i literally felt all of these feelings without the clone wars
I wish I felt that with the movies
It is because of the Clone Wars that Anakin became my favorite Star Wars character all over again.
I'm with you, he is now one of my favorites!
The downside of the movies, OG and Prequels alike, is that the movies cover the worst moments of the protagonists because that’s what’s important to the plot. The difference between Anakin’s relationship to the Jedi and Luke’s relationship to the Rebel Alliance is that we can assume Luke’s relationship has been positive in between 4 and 5 that we can’t really see with Anakin and the Jedi between 2 and 3 because the Prequels are about how isolated he is. By turning Anakin into Darth Vader Lucas couldn’t make his fall convincing if the Jedi were all buddies with him.
you make a great point
Agreed. Anakin did not show a stable sense of self, was aggressive, creepy, demanding and entitled in the films. I never understood why Obi-Wan would describe him so fondly from these. Then I watched The Clone Wars, really liked Anakin, and finally connected to the emotions of his downfall.
Anakin of TCW is another character with no dark traits. He is a timid guy in both movies, disrespected by all of his colleagues (except obi). In the series he is a common good guy who has the trust of the council to lead very risky missions alone, something that Windu and Yoda would never permit in the movies. TCW destroyed Anakin portrayal
100% hard disagree, he shows so many dark traits throughout the series
@@thegoldman25 the "dark traits" are so far-fetched that do not seem reasonable. He says to Trench that he does not has the weakness of the Jedi not killing unarmed enemies, but in the movies he clearly does has that code, even hesitating to kill the man that took his arm off. This moments are just flashs the writers have to say that they tried something.
To me, despite everything the Clone Wars shows, I still never could *TRULY* understand the extent of his fall. I always got that he and the Jedi Order weren’t on the same page and they couldn’t provide him with the emotional guidance he needed, and so him leaving was fine.
But the gap between the man he is in the Clone Wars that r even as a child, and the man he is by the end of Eisode 3 are just entirely different. He killed the sand people because he didn’t see them as human, because they were monsters who killed his mother. The Jedi were simply incapable or at least unwilling to change and allow him to fully be himself, and do what he thought they needed to win the war. But despite all that, I still don’t see how he slaughters those kids. It’s not like he just left the order, he became It’s antithesis.
I'm the same tbh
Just my opinion, but I feel like the Anakin in TCW series is just another good Jedi. He’s not all that conflicted or unstable, so it feels like a huge stretch that he’d fall to the dark side. The Anakin in the prequels - yes, he’s whiny and cringy - but he’s also extremely volatile, so his turn to the dark side feels believable.
I disagree but i understand where you're coming from
not sure if you'll ever read this comment.. but the issue is.. the Prequels started out with Anakin as a little kid and the next two movies there just wasn't enough time to break down the relationships unless you wanna do a couple of 5 hour movies, or make it more then a 3 part prequel... the Clone Wars had 7 seasons and the first few seasons were 20 plus episodes.... Feloni and Favreau gave themselves much more time to build on the relationships Anakin had with Obi-Wan, Padme and the rest of the Jedi Order and adding a new character in Ahsoka into it was brilliant.. maybe Lucas should have narrowed down Anakin's childhood in Episode The Phantom Menace to the first 20 minutes and then fast forwarded 12 years later or so... then they would have had more time to build on the relationships.... since Qui-gon Gin has been a non factor in the Clone Wars series, maybe they should have just killed him off quick instead of building such a big story line out of him
I believe George Lucas opened up about how he initially wanted The Phantom Menace to introduce Anakin already as a teen rather than a kid. It was the late 90s and of course he had Leonardo DiCaprio on his mind. But when he reached out to Leo and talked about it, he declined the offer.
George probably couldn't think of anyone else of that age to play Anakin at that time, so he aged down the character.
I've always said anakin in the movies was a whiny shitbag but in clone wars he was a troubled, hero with a temptation slowly dragging him to the dark side
couldn't agree more
@@thegoldman25 like im not kidding when anyone asks me about starwars and anakin thats exactly what I say
No, TCW Anakin was a stereotypical smooth talking ladies man who made is unbelievable that the character would turn to the dark side and become the galaxy’s most feared Sith Lord, Darth Vader. Prequels Anakin was the gifted but flawed and troubled youth that fell to temptation and fear and makes more sense in becoming Darth Vader. This is no knock on the Clone Wars by the way, it’s a kiddie show, making it more kid friendly by kiddying up Anakin was the purpose so kids would like it.
Thank you for this video, I was looking for something like this. I especially liked how you described Padme as Anakin's anchor. For someone who has always a storm inside him like Anakin, the anchors in their life have crucial importance to maintain their mental and emotional stability. As you mentioned this is why he is so unstable when her life is in danger. With all of the things he has been through (in the Clone Wars series and before), it is easy to see why he loses it when his last line of strength is in danger.
thank you for watching!
This video is very amazing. Star Wars The Clone Wars is also absolutely amazing. It managed to humanize our favourite characters and did it in an epic and a truly beautiful way.
Thank you! This show is amazing!
I can tell from 90% of your opening points you “sat through” the prequels, you didn’t actually watch them to comprehend them.
I’m sorry that you can’t handle differing opinions
@@thegoldman25 it’s not that I can’t handle them, hell, the prequels aren’t good movies objectively speaking. But a lot of the points he makes against anakin in the prequels just aren’t true if you listen to/watch what the characters are doing.
It’s pretty obvious that he sat through the movies just to grab a couple easy points for this video, he didn’t actually pay attention or he’d realize that many of his points are addressed.
I will admit the clone wars fixes not just anakin but a lot of the characters seen in the prequels, and while I feel the execution could have been done better the clone wars demonstrates that the writing for the prequels was really strong.
it does fix a lot of people
The fun fact is that filoni worked and understood from George Lucas. Doing the clone wars was also George Lucas who wanted to add what he always wanted and entrusted the work to filoni. To fill the gap in the movie and also add that which he couldn't keep in a film
2:21 The moment you said remember, I got an ad that said, "This is a tempur-pedic mattress." That was just after you were talking about his Padme nightmare XD
LOL that's hilarious
my only critique would be that we shouldn’t see anakin’s “femininity” as a weakness or “annoying”. sure, some people can argue that they just don’t like hayden christiansen’s voice, but to say that it’s specifically less masculine is very toxic in a lot of ways. femininity in a man should not be seen as weakness, neither a powerful woman needs to be masculine to show strength. anakin is a very complex individual, and in the movies rather than the clone wars, i see a lot of potential for neurodivergent coding.
if you’re not familiar with the idea, i’ll do my best to break it down for you. neurodivergence is just a big fancy word to describe someone on the spectrum-the spectrum being the autism disorder spectrum. as an autistic man myself, i see a lot of myself within anakin. i’ve kind of built up the idea of what anakin could be, therefore growing to love that version of him, instead of the one we actually see.
an example of beautifully crafted masculinity with hints of nd coding would be newt scamander. most of you may be wondering why i’m bringing up a harry potter character into the star wars discussion, but bare with me. now, i do not support j. k. rowling in any sense of the word, but she does have some wonderful writing of characters (ignore crimes of grindlewald). newt is an emotionally complex individual, and shows a lot of vulnerability which can be seen as traditionally “feminine”. now, the biggest issue was people’s reactions to such a character-calling him uninteresting or just a weak lead. this goes back to the hardwired belief that femininity equals weakness, and if your male character shows weakness, then you might as well cut off his dick and slap him in the face with it.
anakin’s character certainly has flaws (from an objective critique standpoint, rather than flaws within a character), but that doesn’t make him worthless. i think the femininity inside him is a great showing of george lucas’ ideations of character. though, people could say that anakin and luke are “nd coded” because it’s an inflection on lucas’ own life and personality (which don’t get me started on how deep in that spectrum he is). but the potential he gives for great characters should not go undermined or even tossed to the bin. i’ve been able to build my own version of anakin in my head and i love him so much as a character, just as filoni did and you guys loved him as a character. but anakin’s vulnerability and femininity are a part of his character that shouldn’t have been erased.
anakin is a strong, emotionally vulnerable man with hints of asd, and even though his writing and perception was bad, his potential for representation should not be forgotten. i love anakin skywalker.
you make some good points
Yea I speak a lot like Hayden Christensen in Rots and I’m still masculine and show emotion aswell. I also prefer Hayden Christensen’s voice for anakin
@@thomaskelley6521 same.
0:12 The great part is that happy puppy face that just says: Simple, right? I did good, right?
haha I love that
Nah, Anakin in prequel was just fine or already good. TCW only added more of him in a good way. but i’ll say 2D clone wars did it perfectly. 3D TCW anakin’s voice just makes me feel like two people are completely different and also i think it's pretty rude to an actor. They were good because of clones like rex, fives, echo, heavy. Hell clones were literally the main character of the show
I liked Anakin in the show but when you compare him to his 2003 clone wars version and then ROTS he is very in consistent. He is a very different character.
that is true
@@thegoldman25 Thank you.(And thank you for the reply.)
I Think Anakin Was At His Best In Revenge Of The Sith. But You Made Some Great Points. That's A LIKE From Me
thank you so much!
This is actualy amazing video. Good takes!
He didn't need any saving, he was great in the prequels and he was great in TCW
i disagree
I think The Clone Wars went a bit too far in changing him from the films.
that's a fair criticism
Oh,yes. He is far too full of life,charm and happiness and he suddenly he is dark depressed in the films}
The start of revenge of the sith
He’s better in the prequels. Although the dialogue sucks there is still a clear path towards the dark side for him without the clone wars
I wish i saw what you saw
@@thegoldman25 the prequels bring everything together. Like yeah we got a few more glimpses of Anakins turn in the clone wars, and especially seasons 5-7. But in episode 2 although it’s shotty acting or whatever you can see him struggle with his attachment to his mom, then in revenge he has that same attachment struggle with padme. Also palpatine making him believe the Jedi are betraying him makes him feel as if his entire life is pointless and he has nobody except padme, and he just wants to save her
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Anakin was good regardless of TCW. In fact TCW kind of contradicted his character from the films and the Expanded Universe. But then again TCW did that a lot. Much to the chagrin of the Expanded Universe writers.
I agree!
@@DayanaRockStar122 Thanks.
@@KingNazaru Grievous, Barriss, Luminara, Mace, Anakin, Maul, Aurra, the Mandalorians, and Dooku were just SOME of the characters that TCW completely trashed 😤
@@imyouralibi6208 Preach!
@@KingNazaru And don't even get me started on Ahsoka. Easily one of the worst additions to Star Wars I have ever seen. Let alone the fact that it makes *no* sense for Anakin to have a padawan (she would've been better off as Plo Koon's padawan) as the Council barely trusted him and he was still a student himself, Ahsoka was an insufferably self-righteous brat who outshone countless Jedi Masters as well as the Chosen One himself with her ridiculously overpowered feats and who Dave Filoni insists on shoving into any and every show he possibly can. Such a trash character 😤
Everybody so often forgets, (rather conveniently, I might add,) when talking about how we aren't shown how powerful Anakin is as a Jedi in Revenge of the Sith, that he saved Obi-Wan from the Buzz Droids before successfully landing on the Invisible Hand, and then he SOUNDLY defeated Count Dooku, while rescuing the Chancellor and then rescued an unconscious Obi-Wan again by carrying him to safety on his back.
All before taking control of the critically damaged Separatist Dreadnought and crash landing it safely enough on Coruscant, just for good measure, all in the film's opening act.
I agree, his portrayed in the expansive Clone Wars series, in which essentially unlimited screen time can be devoted directly to developing any one particular character at all, especially one of the small handful of primary antagonists, does more effectively do so.
And in a far more compelling way, as well.
His relationship with Obi-Wan, and everyone else around him is much more effectively fleshed out in the Clone Wars series, as well. Without question.
But I also think his depiction in the prequel trilogy isn't nearly as inadequate as so many love to assert.
And especially his portrayal in Revenge of the Sith, in particular, which qualifies quite sufficiently as a demonstration of how powerful Anakin was, as a warrior, and as a Jedi, showing us AS WELL AS telling us, if proper attention is paid, right there from the initial opening sequence of the movie!
Added together with his duel against Obi-Wan at the end, in which he holds his own only really losing by ultimately overestimating his own power, and it's HARDLY as if he's only ever shown killing defenseless Jedi Padawan Younglings and thousands of inept Battle Droids.
That's only when inexcusably omitting the rest of the narrative that took place, on screen, right from the end of the opening crawl. (Which happened to also arguably be one of the franchise's most exciting and visually stunning opening sequences ever put to film.)
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you are correct
When most people talk about power/being powerful in star wars it is 99% to do with the force not the proficiency with a light saber or how well you can fly a ship
I love that rock scene how anakin subtlety throws a rock at Obi the subtle details like that make the banter so good and fleshed out
agreed
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bruh, i am not trying to hate or deprive ur joy, but WTF the first time i watched ROTS i felt so many emotions and such sorrow towards obi-wan and padme i felt the tragedy in there duel and when padme died, and i think that can be said to MANY people
Anakin's tragic flaw is not his emotions, it's that he has a hard time of letting go of things. Those are George Lucas's own words from the 2004 Star Wars Trilogy bonus disc DVD from the Darth Vader featurette as a preview of what's behind the scenes of episode 3 at the time.
I would argue that those two are the same thing
@@thegoldman25 how so
@@thegoldman25 Luke struggled with his emotions, but not necessarily letting go of things.
I didn't really like the prequels when I first watched them but as I grew older, I started to love them and I feel what the movie intends you to feel and are now from my favorite movies.
i feel a similar way
I really like your analysis of the Clone Wars and Prequels, and I agree with you for the most part. But I'm going to be an asshole and point out that you are making some assumptions here. I did feel the tragedy of the Prequels long before the Clone Wars came out. And I know a ton of other people who did too. The memes are fun, but I think many of us are capable of feeling the sadness even with the limited information that we received. Lucas told the story that he felt he needed to at the time. He only focused on the most potent moments of Anakin's life, because thats all he had time for. Love it or hate it, Star Wars is also about how a free society can fall into tyrannical dictatorship. Lucas had to spend some time to show this, because it is his vision after all.
For those of us who were open-minded enough to watch the Clone Wars, we got to see more fleshed-out characters. But I'm sure that even the people who didn't watch the Clone Wars learned a thing or two from the Prequels as well.
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The clone wars movie had to cover most of the massive plotholes of the original saga, and that meant having little time to fill galaxy sized gaps, and revenge of the sith had to address the why anakin became darth vader, which it did again in a very limited time without loosing focus on a galaxy wide war. Sure a lot of points were left behind, but as you said we can all feel the tragedy
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