I’m glad I found this review. I was looking for one of these with the black dial to go with my blue dial one. I didn’t know about the 8204 movement update. I was able to find one with the 8204 and couldn’t be happier! Great review! Thanks Man!
Nice review. Turns out I have the updated one. It's my first watch I've ever bought myself and I love it a lot. The lume is really weak but that's not really an issue for me!
Great video, pointing out the tiny differences. I own both a first year vintage and a recent one I just purchased, and I just love these watches. At a point I was deciding between Seiko and Citizen, and I turned Citizen because of mostly the same reasons you point out. Also, I keep mine on soft rubber straps, they're just so comfy, compared to the crummy factory strap which is, in my view, the biggest weakness of the watch.
Great Comparison, Outstanding attention to detail. Wish I had seen this a day earlier, just placed an order for NY0040, but found out I had ordered the old one, with the recessed lume pip. On second thoughts, the protruding lume pip and the flat pointer tip on the bezel, on the updated one, don't go well with my OCD, now that you have shown this. I would definitely miss the lume on the hour markers though, not too keen on the hacking part. Kudos.
Misalligment would be least concern. What about highly inconsistent 6r35a while you pay a Swiss price. Better to buy a Citizen diver with 9039 for the less price.
You don't think the protruding lumed pip is a negative? Wouldn't it be better if it was recessed so it would be less likely to come off? I have a titanium citizen diver and not only is the lumed pip recessed, it's protected by glass too.
Thanks for the comparison - very helpful. I've got the updated one, and very happy with its timekeeping & lume. One question: Has anyone tried putting their NY0040 on a unidirectional winder? Mine runs fine on the wrist, but keeps stopping when on a unidirectional winder. I have noticed that some movements don't do well on a winder, and I wonder if this 82XX movement is one of those?
Just wear the damn watch LOL. No, I get what you mean, I don't know much about winders but my guess is no watch is designed to auto wind in one direction since no wrist would move like that.
@@ADcrackerjack The biggest difference is that the old one does not hack. Not a major issue and some say non-hack is actually a little easier on the movement, but I prefer it. Apparently the older one also has lower quality lume. Aside from that, as you can see in the side by side, the pip triangle is different. I don’t remember if he pointed that out or not. With that I actually prefer the full triangle of the old model.
@@cobaltpluto2019 thanks a LOT for your answer. You replied quite fast. Thanks a lot sir. I don’t know which one is on Amazon but’s it’s only 200 dls right know.!!
@@ADcrackerjack You can tell by the pip triangle, but unfortunately I have seen them listed sometimes with the incorrect photo. If you want to be absolutely certain, I would try to find a listing that states it has the 8204 movement, if you want the new. Pricing should be similar everywhere. Jomashop has them last I saw.
Quick question. I’m thinking about getting this same watch from jomashop. How do I know if it’s the 8203 or 8204? And also what’s the difference between the two movements? I’m still new into what hacking is.
It seems as though it looks like the older one from the lume pimp and back side movement cover having less text. I don’t really know the differences between the new and old.
@@hotshotRandom15 the lumen pip and the triangle is different on the new ones, as I show it in the video. The old can oly hand-wind. The new one can also hack, i. e. the seconds hand stops, if you pull the crown all the way out. It's nice when setting the time.
Good stuff! Glad to learn more about these. I just got the blue dial one (NY0040-17LEM maybe?) but it had a terrible, hazy crystal. Just uploaded a vid on my channel about replacing it with a double dome sapphire one with blue AR. It's GORGEOUS now. Might have to find the black dial one too...
I don’t know if I would call it beautiful but just like you I love the NY0040 for its distinct vintage, kind of military vibe. I am on its third iteration now and I am delighted with its now flawless lume and its unchanged remarkable accuracy that outclasses my budget Seikos. Thanks for the insightful review!
I find the applied indices and the deep black glossy dial absolutely beautiful! Also my NYs destroy my Seikos in accuracy. My SKX was loosing more then 20 s/day, but I regulated it. My king Samurai is loosing around 25 s/day. All my NYs are 2-10 s/day fast, which I much prefer!
I bought and received my Coke bezel, newer Miyota 8204 module 2 days ago. It is as charming as my Seiko Monster and Orient Kamasu. Definitely a keeper. About the lume pip ar bezel, it is laying flat underneath and protected by the bezel, so I don't see possible damage by accidental knocking. Of course the dial wordings and placemrnt are different between the old nad new. Is the lume colour different between the old and new version? Since you have few of them, may I find out if it is common as I am new to Citizen watch. Whenever I turn the crown to change day, will meet with great resistance never fet before in other mechanical movement at half way. I need to apply 'brute' force (feels like breaking wheel teeth) in order to advance to the new day. But if I back off and reverse the crown turning as soon as I feel the resistance, day change and advance to the new day. So I just rock back-and-forth at the crown without full crown turn to change the day. Thanks for the video.
These watches are excellent for the price. My favourite also. One thing I would point out though, the new movement is not as accurate nor as smooth...I still prefer my old 8203 movement watch as it is still within a couple of seconds per day.
I used to have 5 NYs with the new movement, all of them were 5-15s fast a day, which is perfect for me. All my Seikos lost around 30s a day, before I regulated them. Citizen consistently beats Seiko both in quality and accuracy. I like Seiko, but they have no excuse.
Great video, i think I’ll buy myself this watch for Christmas, I’m only wondering if precisely this one with black dial or the full lume. Thank you for this review!
I wish they'd kept the same triangle shape instead of literally cutting the corner. And it's difficult to find the old version because all the sellers still use the same old product photos while shipping the updated design.
I still dont get why they put the crown on the left side on an automatic... I have the Eco-drive version where the crown is on the right side. Have 3 Citizens and they´re all great!
Awesome watch I had mine for 7 plus years … it started running slow so I gave it to my nephew… didn’t know there’s a new movement version …. Might get it I loved it
Excellent review and I appreciate the detailed analysis. Is the reference number for the NY004. with 8204 movement different from NY004 with the old 8203 movements? If yes, please share the new reference number, thanks.
I think it's all about money. They didn't want to offer such an affordable, real diver any more. But I would happily pay more for the SKX, with the 4R36 movement.
Nice video. Makes me feel better about the new version, because I originally regretted selling the old one. So differences are: lume pip no longer covered by glass; triangle cut; lume pip bigger; better lume in general; 8204 hackable movement instead of 8203. Anything else? Is it true rhat the bezel now has a steeper angle towards the dial, less flat? And do you know why it still says 8203 on the new dials although all new versions clearly have the 8204, as stated on the casebacks?
Thanks! You summed it up pretty much! Don't think the bezel is steeper. The printing on the dial must just be cost saving I think. I guess they have tons of dials with the old printing left.
I have the BN0151 but really love the look and design of the NY0040. I've never had a mechanical watch before so this might have to be the first one. Do you find it fits that much smaller than the BN0 though? The NY0040 dial design looks like it's actually larger than the BN0 which gets smaller below the chapter ring.
Yes, the NY is stunningly beautiful, I love the style. I just wish it was quartz. The BN is noticay bigger and it wears bigger. However, both wears and looks great on my 6.5 inch wrist. The BN is more massive and more toolish, the NY is more dressy and beautiful. I enjoy both of them very much!
I like that quartz is always ready, grab-and-go, and accurate. Mechanical watches stop if you don't wear them (after like 40 hours or so, depending on the movement) and accuracy is hit or miss. That said, the movement in the updated NYs is as good as it gets, I have no complaints. I actually prefer them over my Seiko movements.
Thanks for the informative video! But this doesn't help my watch addiction tho... btw, does the lume on the updated version glow the same green as the older version?
Basically these watches were designed for mothers who are reminded to change the diapers at 12 and feed the baby with a milk bottle at 6 and 9 o clock which identified on the dial . After done that go for a deep dive in the ocean.
@@engineercave007Are you serious? If you make a review, and ligth up the markers and not understand people want to see it in dark, why else should you light it up if not to see how the lume works? Your comment are rude and stupid.
I’m glad I found this review. I was looking for one of these with the black dial to go with my blue dial one. I didn’t know about the 8204 movement update. I was able to find one with the 8204 and couldn’t be happier! Great review! Thanks Man!
Nice review. Turns out I have the updated one. It's my first watch I've ever bought myself and I love it a lot. The lume is really weak but that's not really an issue for me!
They're some of my favorite watches. I have NY0040-09W (full lume) & NY0040-17LE (blue sunburst) not to long ago, and they both have 8204 movements.
Great video, pointing out the tiny differences. I own both a first year vintage and a recent one I just purchased, and I just love these watches. At a point I was deciding between Seiko and Citizen, and I turned Citizen because of mostly the same reasons you point out. Also, I keep mine on soft rubber straps, they're just so comfy, compared to the crummy factory strap which is, in my view, the biggest weakness of the watch.
Thanks for watching bro!
Great review. I've had NY0040's for the last 15 years...love them!
Thanks!
I like that the triangle isnt cut short on the original/old one
8204 movement is highly consistent movement with hacking, this movement must be standart in Citizen automatics.
If I could only have one watch from my collection this is the one I'd take.
Yeah, it's such a great and beautiful watch!
Between this in the coke theme and the seiko 38mm solar diver for me
Citizen NY0040 n Seiko SKX are two real legends of diver watches. Have both n I love them
Great Comparison, Outstanding attention to detail. Wish I had seen this a day earlier, just placed an order for NY0040, but found out I had ordered the old one, with the recessed lume pip.
On second thoughts, the protruding lume pip and the flat pointer tip on the bezel, on the updated one, don't go well with my OCD, now that you have shown this.
I would definitely miss the lume on the hour markers though, not too keen on the hacking part. Kudos.
Great lume and hacking make the upgrade absolutely worthwhile for me!
You are right, even the Seiko’s high end 62MAS reissue has misalignment issue. Paying a Swiss watch price but getting low end quality 😢
Seiko quality*
Misalligment would be least concern. What about highly inconsistent 6r35a while you pay a Swiss price. Better to buy a Citizen diver with 9039 for the less price.
Wow the Pepsi Bezel Citizen looks nice on the military green NATO strap.
I own the NY0086 and really love this watch . On my watch the dial says 8203 movement but on the case back it says 8204 movement. My watch does hack .
yeah, didn't update the dial
You don't think the protruding lumed pip is a negative? Wouldn't it be better if it was recessed so it would be less likely to come off?
I have a titanium citizen diver and not only is the lumed pip recessed, it's protected by glass too.
You're right, but it doesn't bother me at all on this watch. And this is a definitive way to distinguish between the old and new version.
Wanna purchase but can't find the new movement (8024 cal) NY-0040 black dial online, may I know anyone can help?
Thanks for the comparison - very helpful. I've got the updated one, and very happy with its timekeeping & lume. One question: Has anyone tried putting their NY0040 on a unidirectional winder? Mine runs fine on the wrist, but keeps stopping when on a unidirectional winder. I have noticed that some movements don't do well on a winder, and I wonder if this 82XX movement is one of those?
I have no winder, no idea.
Just wear the damn watch LOL. No, I get what you mean, I don't know much about winders but my guess is no watch is designed to auto wind in one direction since no wrist would move like that.
I've had my citizen for years but the thing that bugs me is the bezel doesn't look flush to the class on one side like it's lifted slightly..
If the bezel sits slightly higher, it at least protects the glass a bit. I just checked mine, can’t decide if it’s a hair higher or completely even.
Thank you for this video! I almost ordered the old version. I would have been somewhat disappointed.
Thanks for watching!
What are the main differences? Couldn’t hear very well the video but watched it all. Loud environment, thanks.!!
@@ADcrackerjack The biggest difference is that the old one does not hack. Not a major issue and some say non-hack is actually a little easier on the movement, but I prefer it.
Apparently the older one also has lower quality lume. Aside from that, as you can see in the side by side, the pip triangle is different. I don’t remember if he pointed that out or not. With that I actually prefer the full triangle of the old model.
@@cobaltpluto2019 thanks a LOT for your answer. You replied quite fast. Thanks a lot sir. I don’t know which one is on Amazon but’s it’s only 200 dls right know.!!
@@ADcrackerjack You can tell by the pip triangle, but unfortunately I have seen them listed sometimes with the incorrect photo. If you want to be absolutely certain, I would try to find a listing that states it has the 8204 movement, if you want the new. Pricing should be similar everywhere. Jomashop has them last I saw.
Quick question. I’m thinking about getting this same watch from jomashop. How do I know if it’s the 8203 or 8204? And also what’s the difference between the two movements? I’m still new into what hacking is.
It seems as though it looks like the older one from the lume pimp and back side movement cover having less text. I don’t really know the differences between the new and old.
@@hotshotRandom15 the lumen pip and the triangle is different on the new ones, as I show it in the video. The old can oly hand-wind. The new one can also hack, i. e. the seconds hand stops, if you pull the crown all the way out. It's nice when setting the time.
@@engineercave007 thanks! I just wanted to make sure before I bought it I was getting what I wanted!
Great review of a great watch. Love wearing mine on a rubber strap.
Good stuff! Glad to learn more about these. I just got the blue dial one (NY0040-17LEM maybe?) but it had a terrible, hazy crystal. Just uploaded a vid on my channel about replacing it with a double dome sapphire one with blue AR. It's GORGEOUS now.
Might have to find the black dial one too...
Just checked it out, awesome!!!
I don’t know if I would call it beautiful but just like you I love the NY0040 for its distinct vintage, kind of military vibe. I am on its third iteration now and I am delighted with its now flawless lume and its unchanged remarkable accuracy that outclasses my budget Seikos. Thanks for the insightful review!
I find the applied indices and the deep black glossy dial absolutely beautiful! Also my NYs destroy my Seikos in accuracy. My SKX was loosing more then 20 s/day, but I regulated it. My king Samurai is loosing around 25 s/day. All my NYs are 2-10 s/day fast, which I much prefer!
Many are labeled as 8203 on the dial but actually hack (8204) so it can be tricky to identify if you're buying online.
The lume pip gives it away for sure!
I bought and received my Coke bezel, newer Miyota 8204 module 2 days ago.
It is as charming as my Seiko Monster and Orient Kamasu. Definitely a keeper.
About the lume pip ar bezel, it is laying flat underneath and protected by the bezel, so I don't see possible damage by accidental knocking.
Of course the dial wordings and placemrnt are different between the old nad new.
Is the lume colour different between the old and new version?
Since you have few of them, may I find out if it is common as I am new to Citizen watch. Whenever I turn the crown to change day, will meet with great resistance never fet before in other mechanical movement at half way. I need to apply 'brute' force (feels like breaking wheel teeth) in order to advance to the new day. But if I back off and reverse the crown turning as soon as I feel the resistance, day change and advance to the new day.
So I just rock back-and-forth at the crown without full crown turn to change the day.
Thanks for the video.
That doesn’t sound good at all. You should contact Citizen, they have a great warranty service and should take care of you.
yeah, totally not normal, try contact Citizen for warranty!
These watches are excellent for the price. My favourite also. One thing I would point out though, the new movement is not as accurate nor as smooth...I still prefer my old 8203 movement watch as it is still within a couple of seconds per day.
I used to have 5 NYs with the new movement, all of them were 5-15s fast a day, which is perfect for me. All my Seikos lost around 30s a day, before I regulated them. Citizen consistently beats Seiko both in quality and accuracy. I like Seiko, but they have no excuse.
I have the new 8204 and has +3 per day
thank you for showing the differences. Great review!
Thanks for watching!
Appreciate the video. You saved me from buying the 8203.
Glad to hear that!
I have both and I believe the early model is superior in quality and in mine accuracy also?
Seiko skx are OK but it's really out classed here?
My new model is just as accurate and it has great lume. The SKX is special for me forever. Specs are not everything.
Great video, i think I’ll buy myself this watch for Christmas, I’m only wondering if precisely this one with black dial or the full lume. Thank you for this review!
I wish they'd kept the same triangle shape instead of literally cutting the corner. And it's difficult to find the old version because all the sellers still use the same old product photos while shipping the updated design.
I like the new one.
I still dont get why they put the crown on the left side on an automatic... I have the Eco-drive version where the crown is on the right side. Have 3 Citizens and they´re all great!
I think they just wanted to be different with the NY. Doesn't bother me though.
Awesome watch I had mine for 7 plus years … it started running slow so I gave it to my nephew… didn’t know there’s a new movement version …. Might get it I loved it
Excellent review and I appreciate the detailed analysis. Is the reference number for the NY004. with 8204 movement different from NY004 with the old 8203 movements? If yes, please share the new reference number, thanks.
Thanks! The serial number of the updated ones begin with "R", the old ones with "S".
I have to wonder why Seiko didn't do the same with the SKX, and keep it going. Maybe someone in the know can answer this?
I think it's all about money. They didn't want to offer such an affordable, real diver any more. But I would happily pay more for the SKX, with the 4R36 movement.
I would have as well, but I had to settle for installing my own. Probably for less than they may have charged for a factory upgrade.
Nice video. Makes me feel better about the new version, because I originally regretted selling the old one. So differences are: lume pip no longer covered by glass; triangle cut; lume pip bigger; better lume in general; 8204 hackable movement instead of 8203. Anything else? Is it true rhat the bezel now has a steeper angle towards the dial, less flat?
And do you know why it still says 8203 on the new dials although all new versions clearly have the 8204, as stated on the casebacks?
Thanks! You summed it up pretty much! Don't think the bezel is steeper. The printing on the dial must just be cost saving I think. I guess they have tons of dials with the old printing left.
This watch is absolutely fire
thank you - where to buy under euros 200? What is difference between ny0119-19x versus ny0040
I got it on Amazon
same text on dial 8203 ?
Yeah
Nice video, original. Can you say when the new version with the 8204 movement came out? I just bought it
Thanks! No idea...
Por favor donde podria encontrar el marina militare de Citizen?gracias
Amazon, or just Google it.
Very helpful video, good job!
Thanks!
Great value !
I have just bought a Citizen, and on dial it says N 8203, but ont the case back, R8204, it has a hack, I am confused
That's normal. They left the dial unchanged.
@@engineercave007 so the lume too?
No, the lume is day and night better. They didn't change the text on the dial.
@@engineercave007 thank you for the information, btw when you shake it, do you hear the rotor inside?
Yes, they have a pretty loud rotor
How would compare this to a Seiko Turtle with the 4r36 movement? Great channel! Thanks
Thanks! I don't have a Turtle, but the NY is smaller. I like both!
@@engineercave007 The proportions looks amazing on the NY0040 and the build quality looks way above its weigth class. I am definitely buying one 🙏
where do you buy your watches ''under 200 euros'' ?
I was able to buy my NY0040 on Amazon for under € 200.
If you were to mod this watch would you put in a domed sapphire or flat. I think I'm going to buy either the ny0040 or the new green bezel ny
Not sure, I'd have to see how it looks with a domed one first.
Is there a model number variation between the old and new models, or is the lume pip triangle the only immediate difference?
The serial number of the updated ones begin with "R", the old ones with "S".
I thought these were discontinued? Replaced by the ny008 models
Not sure, but they are easily available from Amazon.
How does this watch feel and rest on a left hand? since I'm a left hand watch person.
It's very comfortable, I love the size!
Best bang for your buck hands down
That's correct!
I have the BN0151 but really love the look and design of the NY0040. I've never had a mechanical watch before so this might have to be the first one. Do you find it fits that much smaller than the BN0 though? The NY0040 dial design looks like it's actually larger than the BN0 which gets smaller below the chapter ring.
Yes, the NY is stunningly beautiful, I love the style. I just wish it was quartz.
The BN is noticay bigger and it wears bigger. However, both wears and looks great on my 6.5 inch wrist. The BN is more massive and more toolish, the NY is more dressy and beautiful. I enjoy both of them very much!
@@engineercave007 what don't you like about the mechanical movement vs quartz?
I like that quartz is always ready, grab-and-go, and accurate. Mechanical watches stop if you don't wear them (after like 40 hours or so, depending on the movement) and accuracy is hit or miss. That said, the movement in the updated NYs is as good as it gets, I have no complaints. I actually prefer them over my Seiko movements.
@@engineercave007 There is lefty quartz version. but different style.
Very good. I prefer recessed bezel's lume pip, but i won't be picky. Definitely on my sights, no doubt will be my next watch purchase!
great video thanks
Thanks for the informative video! But this doesn't help my watch addiction tho... btw, does the lume on the updated version glow the same green as the older version?
Nothing helps the watch addiction brother 😄 Lume is the same green on both.
thats another box checked for Christmas... Thanks, mate!
Thanks a lot
Welcome mate!
8204 gotcha
All good 👍
The new modelname is NY0140, not NY0040.
No. The NY0040 has an updated version.
@@engineercave007, there is a new version which is bigger and it is called the NY0140.
Lume on my old NYs are great not sure why yours is so poor,I've got 4 and they are all good 😊
On the old one the hands are way much brighter, than the rest.
Basically these watches were designed for mothers who are reminded to change the diapers at 12 and feed the baby with a milk bottle at 6 and 9 o clock which identified on the dial . After done that go for a deep dive in the ocean.
😂
THE NY0040 MODEL ARE NOT IN PHILLIPINES.SAD TO SAY.
That really sucks...
No, the Clone is not Waterproof at all! Citizen cost about 200€ and is every Cent worth! 🤟🙏😘🎅🌲🕯️🕯️🕯️
Clone?
Extremely disappointed not to see the glow in the dark
OMG hope you won't have PTSD my friend 😂
@@engineercave007Are you serious? If you make a review, and ligth up the markers and not understand people want to see it in dark, why else should you light it up if not to see how the lume works? Your comment are rude and stupid.
@engineercave007 unprofessional response....