My experience with Moza is when it works it is fine, but when something breaks the proof is how they do the RMA process. In my case, I won't ever buy anything from Moza again because the RMA process failed miserably, they did not repair my broken brake pedal electronics, they haven't checked what was wrong (cant have) they just had it travel from the NL via Rseat Germany( the Intermediary of Hardware experts (the retailer that sold me the R5 set ) and from there to Moza China and back the same route, still broken they (who did that idk?) only replaced the cable. I had no brake pedal for more than 2 months, so be aware that Moza/ Hardware Experts(NL) and Rseat(Germany and France) do not have trustable RMA services. Just a fair warning....... I had to almost got sue them to finally get a new working brake pedal after a lot of hassle with the retailer (Hardware experts NL)who blamed their intermediary (Rseat Europe) who blamed Moza who blamed Rseat back, who (Rseat) then blamed DHL for not delivering Hardware Experts the replacement pedal, no kidding not making things up, just my honest bad experience with a broken brake pedal that proved me the RMA service did not work as it should have.
And btw check your Bolds and Nuts quite regularly because Moza doesn't use a good method of making sure those won't untighten themselves. Because of their cheap hardware and bad engineering, or manufacturing control systems, just make sure to use a drop of lock tight to make sure your bold and nuts won't unscrew themselves. Or buy locknuts and fitting (long enough) bolds at your local hardware store, yep Moza's engineering and product control department should be ashamed and better themselves and their products, but will they?! I can't trust Moza that is for sure, and that is a big disappointment for me.
You have to change the Elastomer setup ( Watch Sim Racing Corners video on these ) - After changing it - It was great. Try 6-yellow + 4-red Elastomers and see what you think.
I mean tools like that, with the handle. Every company gives Allen keys and even screw drivers. Very few give the Allen keys with the fancy handles like that one.
@@LaurenceDusoswa yeah simagic had the same one. I’m not trying to sh!t on your video. I love your content. It’s just some annoyance with what I consider a clear copy of what’s possibly the most popular pedal set recently. Right down to the included tools.
Base looks very similar in size than my CRP's base, it fits very well on my Next Level Racing GT Elite rig, the mounting of yours look much smaller, longitudinally and laterally ?
Loved the review and the formatting. Just a point on your break pedal feels. Have you tried using the performance break kit? It comes with a collection of springs and much tougher polymers and I wonder if it could remedy the lack of responsiveness your feeling. While I believe your views are great for how the pedals come out of the box, it would be incredibly helpful if you could share wether the performance kit, and its various combinations, help or allow the pedals to feel differnetly for different cars as advertised. (For example they give road car presets, GT3 presents and presets that are super stiff for F1 cars) Feedback on these would be greatly appreciated! Look forwards to more content.
I have the performance kit, yes. That will be covered in detail in my long term review. As you say, this video is just for the out of the box, first impressions.
There is a new assessory kit for this pedal set with more dampers and also springs for the break. I guess this is a must have for this set as it gives you a huge amount of options to customize the brake feel to everyon's liking. I personally prefer a longer brake pedal and a more linear incresing pressure feeling for the break, so I prefer springs instead of dampers.
Good elastomers with cups give a nice linear feel with even better characteristics than springs in my view, but springs can be good too. I have the performance kit and am frantically trying to find good settings for these pedals. I don’t want my first impressions of this product to be true long term
It's a well-intentioned review, but with a total lack of knowledge about the Moza Pit House software. Changing the max setting of the brake pedal and then acting surprised this is reflected in the pressure graph is a cringe moment.
This is a well-intentioned comment. But with respect, this is not a review. As is clearly stated several times in the video. Also, I have reviewed (actual reviews) 15+ moza devices. Feel free to check my videos. And finally. On the max setting. I set it to the max point where the soft brake would go and where I could comfortably push to. That’s just standard calibration. The graph needed to be dragged, which was my surprise. It makes no sense for the graph to max out at 60%. Thanks for sharing this cringe moment with me. I suggest you pay a little more attention and don’t be so quick to make assumptions.
These look good👌🏻 really interested to see how the active pedals are. You will need to go get your Dad set up and do a comparison to the Simucube ones when the time comes😉
I started with Moza stuff and I appreciate all they are doing to push better product out at reasonable pricing, pushing other companies to be competitive, like Simagic is currently. I think they have done a lot for the sim racing community. I wonder if they've been pigeonholed into that lower quality bracket by their initial offerings... I am hopeful these pedals are the start of a move in the higher end bracket for Moza. However, for me I am curious if you are still using the Simtrecs Pro Pedal GT MkII's..... 🤔🙂 Probably getting those based on your review a little while ago. Cheers!
This is the 1st video I have seen of the new stuff. Its too bad they didn't make the booster work with the original CRP's but these are nothing like the original CRP's wow!!!! Interesting changes. I really like what you said about heal toe pretest. We need to get a you the booster fast! I think that narrow graph on the break actually was out of the box and they didn't want that much travel that you are saying isn't good for out of the box. So maybe, this is my guess here but that narrow graph is out of the box. Moza, if that is so, you might want to make a little note of that in Pit House. Laurence, I really like your review style. I think this is the 2nd video I have seen of yours and I am for sure coming back next time, keep up the good work. I will see if I can make it to your live stream tomorrow. Anyways looks good, I hope those booster addon is good enough for me to not have to upgrade to a Simucube Active Pedal. I really like the old throttle and how you can hit it with the bottom of your heal, this one you make contact midfoot. But those are my daily driver pedals.
I would love to review the booster force feedback pedal. Hopefully I get the chance. For now, the goal is to make these pedals feel good with the CRP2 performance kit. It wouldn't be the first time where a product gives a negative first impression but can be tweaked to feel really nice.
Was waiting for this review. SO glad to hear I am not the only one having strain on my knees from the pedals. I have been using the original CRP's but my knee is not enjoying it after a long session. Finding the brake pedal being the problem for me, think its to far to the right.
The problem is only with Moza pedals. I love my R21 base and FSR & CS wheels. That's why I have replaced my CRP v2 with a p1000i. The inverted Simagic pedals equipped with P-HRP devices are much more comfortable and helpful compared to Moza pedals. One set untested is Moza active pedals. I hope they are much better too.
yeah I'm looking forward to those. You are right in my opinion. The P1000 pedals are better than anything moza makes right now. However, I have only just started my review of these and hope to get them feeling great.
@@LaurenceDusoswa I also got a box of P1000 optional spring and rubber kit and using a combination of strings with no rubbers. I recommend you to have it too during your review. Rubbers do feel mushy which I too don't like. P1000 brake pedal does have the option of using the positional sensor instead which I like more and using it instead. Brake pedal with very little travel feels unrealistic to me. I like it when it is like the brake pedal of my Corolla 😄
Great first impressions, cant wait for the full review. I am looking at replacing my pedals, and with a Moza wheelbase these interest me. (Or maybe I will wait to see how the active pedals are!)
@@LaurenceDusoswa that's good to hear about improvements! Shame about the work you have to put in to get there. It's also a shame about the mounting options. Seeing another comment about having to drill into the base isn't the most user friendly way to mount hardware
Very dull review. Not even utilizing what came in the Box to adjust your pedal feel does not make sense. The mounting was pretty simple to me. Locate holes on the bottom, drill, mount. What you did there was truly a garbage way to mount them, even if it was temporary😅
This is a first impressions video. Not a review. I do first impressions videos and referred several times to the long term review in this video. Also, the mount is permanent. I’m not going drilling awkward holes when they should be there from the factory. Good thing there are lots of other reviews too. Thanks for the feedback though.
@LaurenceDusoswa It makes me want to review my heusinkveld sprints. I have had them for a few months and I think they are the best pedals on the market sub £1k. I have tried obp hydraulics and asetek invictas and I didn't like them as much.
I can’t help but feel like moza is a lazy company when it comes to design. They just copy whatever is popular and dont even try to hide it, or improve on the design they copied.
Taking multiple designs, integrating it into your own product and reworking it to be cheaper than competitors isn’t lazy. They never just copy one design, it’s always incorporating elements from at least 3 different designs from competitors. It’s smart and consumer oriented. It’s more of a positive than a negative. At the end of the day, all that matters is the quality and price of the product.
I disagree. I think they do quite well with their designs. I don't think they copy others any more than any other brand. These pedals will suit many who are coming from cheap pedals. But at this price, there are far more serious and adjustable options than the CRP2 at the moment.
Tell me who they copied when they made the truck steering wheel. Or the multifunction stalks. That's right, no one else has those products, or even care about truck simmers.
My experience with Moza is when it works it is fine, but when something breaks the proof is how they do the RMA process. In my case, I won't ever buy anything from Moza again because the RMA process failed miserably, they did not repair my broken brake pedal electronics, they haven't checked what was wrong (cant have) they just had it travel from the NL via Rseat Germany( the Intermediary of Hardware experts (the retailer that sold me the R5 set ) and from there to Moza China and back the same route, still broken they (who did that idk?) only replaced the cable. I had no brake pedal for more than 2 months, so be aware that Moza/ Hardware Experts(NL) and Rseat(Germany and France) do not have trustable RMA services. Just a fair warning....... I had to almost got sue them to finally get a new working brake pedal after a lot of hassle with the retailer (Hardware experts NL)who blamed their intermediary (Rseat Europe) who blamed Moza who blamed Rseat back, who (Rseat) then blamed DHL for not delivering Hardware Experts the replacement pedal, no kidding not making things up, just my honest bad experience with a broken brake pedal that proved me the RMA service did not work as it should have.
And btw check your Bolds and Nuts quite regularly because Moza doesn't use a good method of making sure those won't untighten themselves. Because of their cheap hardware and bad engineering, or manufacturing control systems, just make sure to use a drop of lock tight to make sure your bold and nuts won't unscrew themselves. Or buy locknuts and fitting (long enough) bolds at your local hardware store, yep Moza's engineering and product control department should be ashamed and better themselves and their products, but will they?!
I can't trust Moza that is for sure, and that is a big disappointment for me.
You have to change the Elastomer setup ( Watch Sim Racing Corners video on these ) - After changing it - It was great.
Try 6-yellow + 4-red Elastomers and see what you think.
I think the fact that the brake graph is narrower is because you have set the max before the full extent of available travel. 23:28
The guy didn't even take the time to set it up properly. Disappointing
I had already set the max at that point. the graph doesn't react to calibration. it comes 'short' as shown by default.
This is a first impressions video. Not a long term review.
Only company that gives tools Asetek? You forgot all the stuff you got with simagic!?
I mean tools like that, with the handle. Every company gives Allen keys and even screw drivers. Very few give the Allen keys with the fancy handles like that one.
@@LaurenceDusoswa yeah simagic had the same one. I’m not trying to sh!t on your video. I love your content. It’s just some annoyance with what I consider a clear copy of what’s possibly the most popular pedal set recently. Right down to the included tools.
Base looks very similar in size than my CRP's base, it fits very well on my Next Level Racing GT Elite rig, the mounting of yours look much smaller, longitudinally and laterally ?
Loved the review and the formatting.
Just a point on your break pedal feels. Have you tried using the performance break kit? It comes with a collection of springs and much tougher polymers and I wonder if it could remedy the lack of responsiveness your feeling. While I believe your views are great for how the pedals come out of the box, it would be incredibly helpful if you could share wether the performance kit, and its various combinations, help or allow the pedals to feel differnetly for different cars as advertised.
(For example they give road car presets, GT3 presents and presets that are super stiff for F1 cars)
Feedback on these would be greatly appreciated! Look forwards to more content.
I have the performance kit, yes. That will be covered in detail in my long term review. As you say, this video is just for the out of the box, first impressions.
There is a new assessory kit for this pedal set with more dampers and also springs for the break. I guess this is a must have for this set as it gives you a huge amount of options to customize the brake feel to everyon's liking. I personally prefer a longer brake pedal and a more linear incresing pressure feeling for the break, so I prefer springs instead of dampers.
Good elastomers with cups give a nice linear feel with even better characteristics than springs in my view, but springs can be good too.
I have the performance kit and am frantically trying to find good settings for these pedals. I don’t want my first impressions of this product to be true long term
Ginna kick the crap outa this 😂😂😂. Gold
And I am. The clutch is really good :)
the turd pedal, i love his accent :)
😅😅😅
It's a well-intentioned review, but with a total lack of knowledge about the Moza Pit House software.
Changing the max setting of the brake pedal and then acting surprised this is reflected in the pressure graph is a cringe moment.
This is a well-intentioned comment. But with respect, this is not a review. As is clearly stated several times in the video.
Also, I have reviewed (actual reviews) 15+ moza devices. Feel free to check my videos.
And finally. On the max setting. I set it to the max point where the soft brake would go and where I could comfortably push to. That’s just standard calibration. The graph needed to be dragged, which was my surprise. It makes no sense for the graph to max out at 60%.
Thanks for sharing this cringe moment with me.
I suggest you pay a little more attention and don’t be so quick to make assumptions.
These look good👌🏻 really interested to see how the active pedals are. You will need to go get your Dad set up and do a comparison to the Simucube ones when the time comes😉
Haha yep I'd love to do a comparison
I started with Moza stuff and I appreciate all they are doing to push better product out at reasonable pricing, pushing other companies to be competitive, like Simagic is currently. I think they have done a lot for the sim racing community. I wonder if they've been pigeonholed into that lower quality bracket by their initial offerings... I am hopeful these pedals are the start of a move in the higher end bracket for Moza.
However, for me I am curious if you are still using the Simtrecs Pro Pedal GT MkII's..... 🤔🙂 Probably getting those based on your review a little while ago. Cheers!
The simtrecs are amazing. Not cheap, but incredibly good.
I have the CRP 1, they are OK but they feel a bit off. Is it worth upgrading to this or the Heuseinkveld? 😈
VRS
This is the 1st video I have seen of the new stuff. Its too bad they didn't make the booster work with the original CRP's but these are nothing like the original CRP's wow!!!! Interesting changes. I really like what you said about heal toe pretest. We need to get a you the booster fast! I think that narrow graph on the break actually was out of the box and they didn't want that much travel that you are saying isn't good for out of the box. So maybe, this is my guess here but that narrow graph is out of the box. Moza, if that is so, you might want to make a little note of that in Pit House.
Laurence, I really like your review style. I think this is the 2nd video I have seen of yours and I am for sure coming back next time, keep up the good work. I will see if I can make it to your live stream tomorrow.
Anyways looks good, I hope those booster addon is good enough for me to not have to upgrade to a Simucube Active Pedal.
I really like the old throttle and how you can hit it with the bottom of your heal, this one you make contact midfoot. But those are my daily driver pedals.
I would love to review the booster force feedback pedal. Hopefully I get the chance. For now, the goal is to make these pedals feel good with the CRP2 performance kit. It wouldn't be the first time where a product gives a negative first impression but can be tweaked to feel really nice.
Was waiting for this review. SO glad to hear I am not the only one having strain on my knees from the pedals. I have been using the original CRP's but my knee is not enjoying it after a long session. Finding the brake pedal being the problem for me, think its to far to the right.
Yeah it's important to be comfy while driving. Repetitive strain can cause lots of knock on injuries and random pains
The problem is only with Moza pedals. I love my R21 base and FSR & CS wheels. That's why I have replaced my CRP v2 with a p1000i. The inverted Simagic pedals equipped with P-HRP devices are much more comfortable and helpful compared to Moza pedals. One set untested is Moza active pedals. I hope they are much better too.
yeah I'm looking forward to those. You are right in my opinion. The P1000 pedals are better than anything moza makes right now. However, I have only just started my review of these and hope to get them feeling great.
@@LaurenceDusoswa I also got a box of P1000 optional spring and rubber kit and using a combination of strings with no rubbers. I recommend you to have it too during your review. Rubbers do feel mushy which I too don't like. P1000 brake pedal does have the option of using the positional sensor instead which I like more and using it instead. Brake pedal with very little travel feels unrealistic to me. I like it when it is like the brake pedal of my Corolla 😄
Great first impressions, cant wait for the full review. I am looking at replacing my pedals, and with a Moza wheelbase these interest me. (Or maybe I will wait to see how the active pedals are!)
I have made some progress. it definitely is more usable now with the performance kit. But it shouldn't be this much effort
@@LaurenceDusoswa that's good to hear about improvements! Shame about the work you have to put in to get there.
It's also a shame about the mounting options. Seeing another comment about having to drill into the base isn't the most user friendly way to mount hardware
I thought these might impress more than previous ones considering they're version 2. Base looks huge.
The base is HUUUUUGE. Those mounting points are definitely a problem.
Surprising to see all these pedals use hall effects sensors to make up for flaws in loadcell.
I always thought load cell was the bomb
I don’t necessarily think it’s to make up for flaws. It’s to allow people to have a different custom experience that some prefer
@@LaurenceDusoswa yeah fair enough
Copied Simagic P1000
Very dull review. Not even utilizing what came in the Box to adjust your pedal feel does not make sense. The mounting was pretty simple to me. Locate holes on the bottom, drill, mount. What you did there was truly a garbage way to mount them, even if it was temporary😅
This is a first impressions video. Not a review. I do first impressions videos and referred several times to the long term review in this video.
Also, the mount is permanent. I’m not going drilling awkward holes when they should be there from the factory.
Good thing there are lots of other reviews too. Thanks for the feedback though.
7:32 Fanatec does include tools (with my CSL elite V2 pedals)
Sorry for the misunderstanding. they all provide tools. I was referring to the fancy handled Allen key.
Angle sensor input is needed for the active pedal.
Did you watch the video? :D
moza like your cheap power tools dont be fooled
Cheap power tools?
very good review and very good production quality video. Has everything you need for potential customers
Thanks! There will be a long term review which addresses all the open questions from this video
@LaurenceDusoswa It makes me want to review my heusinkveld sprints. I have had them for a few months and I think they are the best pedals on the market sub £1k. I have tried obp hydraulics and asetek invictas and I didn't like them as much.
Outstanding vid 👍
Cheers! Thanks
I can’t help but feel like moza is a lazy company when it comes to design. They just copy whatever is popular and dont even try to hide it, or improve on the design they copied.
Im all for it as long as they bring the price down
Taking multiple designs, integrating it into your own product and reworking it to be cheaper than competitors isn’t lazy.
They never just copy one design, it’s always incorporating elements from at least 3 different designs from competitors.
It’s smart and consumer oriented. It’s more of a positive than a negative.
At the end of the day, all that matters is the quality and price of the product.
I disagree. I think they do quite well with their designs. I don't think they copy others any more than any other brand. These pedals will suit many who are coming from cheap pedals. But at this price, there are far more serious and adjustable options than the CRP2 at the moment.
@@joshaltea Smells like fanatec fanboy commenting on other brands
Tell me who they copied when they made the truck steering wheel. Or the multifunction stalks.
That's right, no one else has those products, or even care about truck simmers.
these are p1000s
They’re a bit different. Definitely not as good as p1000 in stock form.