Thank you for doing stringent testing and assembling detailed spreadsheets and supporting graphs to illustrate for us. Helps out tremendously. Looking forward to more content!
This test was very well thought out and I really appreciate that you are addressing more than one axis of motion. I would love to see you include the Hypertap by Precision Armament into this test. Amazing information here!
Why doesnt the Precision Arament Hypertap Muzzle Brake get any love in these comparisions. I think it is HIGHLY effective and deserves a lot more love than it seems to get in this community.
I just got my hands on some of them, thank you to hypertap, they will be in the part 3 of the video, expected to be filmed in January. We will see how they stack up against the other big names!
@@canadianprecisionshooting9597 Oh very cool. Im excited to see how it does. Also Id love to hear which brakes which had the most side/back concussion. I know that is hard to measure scientifically but even just an opinion would be good. Some brakes are highly effective but awful to use bc you get a face full of gas
@@KevinWood44 there is a blast angle in the table to compare visually where the blast goes. It's hard to measure, but it gives a good idea, so far it's realistic to me. Last number to the right in both videos :P
This video would’ve taken some serious time to produce, so my hat is off. However, the test is around Prs style muzzle brakes and I would have loved to see the TMB in there it offers not only amazing recoil reduction, but is also a tuning device for accuracy development The company has shown internal testing where it is 100% a leader in recoil reduction not sure why it’s not here.
Yeah, it took quite some time to make it. I'm putting my hand on a TMB brake for the second or third video, depending how many time it will take to get here. I've been in contact with them but the decline sending a unit for the test, they have been backorder for some time now. So stay tuned, in couple weeks they should be added to the test.
They are quite rare to see in PRS, so I really tried to stay in that gap, but yeah I've head good things about them. I'me already making a second video with more test, so maybe in the future
Great Video Thanks Love to see how the Micro Bastard / Answer Brake compares and also how a Silencer Co ASR brake / QR compares and lastly how Suppressors in general compare.
Thank you for the valuable info. I tried to reach out to Botnia about their mini brake and no joy no reply and as best I can figure they price out at $500-$600 Canadian before tax duty and shipping so back to another Area 419 hellfire match or a Vulcan maybe.
nice video yannick . De mon coté s’est sur que si tu voudrait tester quelque break qui sont tunable juste pour voir les difference sa serait un must 👌 continue de nous instruire
Amazing video, its the info i was trying to find. So if i unstand correctly there is no corvette that will do 100mpg. Meaning you have to find what suites you and your needs. Like how you did this, you got a new subscriber.
Thanks, really appreciate that. You can look into the chanel, I have the "ultimate" one that is à follow-up of this one with more than 30 brakes being tested. Link is also in the description if you want.
Each time I rewatch this video I learn more. Great data! I’m in the market for a brake and find your info useful. Will you be doing any more videos on brakes or compensators?
It's a pleasure. I'm working on a third and "final" video now, adding more MB and compiling all I already have. I'll also share the data into a sharepoint on this third video. (Much work to clean my datasheet for people to read it, I'll do it once).
Question,.. Does the PVA Jet 4 with, the Port Blast angle at 74 degrees, deflect the Blast Noise, away from the shooter to avoid, "Concussion Headaches" from prolonged shooting ? How is it on Muzzle Rise for seeing,.. Impacts ? Is it, one of the "Better" Brakes, in Your Opinion ? Less Muzzle RISE and LESS Blast, are my main Needs for, my 6.5 Creed. Recoil Reduction is NOT, as important to Me. Good Testing !!! Thank you, Yanick, in advance for answering, my Questions.
Hi, long story short, the PVA brakes are the best concussion side, even better than 90deg port (witch is kind suspicious, but the results talk for themself) and it's the reason all my hunting rifles now run PVA brakes. On the muzzle rise side, if you don't mind the size, the shockwave shows best results with creedmoor case size. I've run a Jetblast (3 ports) for a long time on my 6.5creed and been really happy with it.
Thank you, for your Reply ! Brake "concussion" at, the shooter, is very important, to me ( #1 ). Next is, Muzzle rise, lastly is recoil reduction. I will be looking at both, the PVA Shockwave and, the Jet 4 Brakes. I'll put, a Phone call into PVA soon, to discuss which is better, for my Sporter weight, Tikka Rifle, in 6.5 Creed. Again,.. Thank you, for your Reply ! @@canadianprecisionshooting9597
I’ve shot most of those higher end brakes and the TMB has performed better than all of them and without a concussion to the shooter. Great testing in the video though!
It is hard to tell without testing. TMB have declined the invitation to be part of this first testing, but I'll try to get my hand on one for the next video to see. And confirming the blast angle, just looking at the port angle, I doubt there will be no concussion, but only test will tell.
@@canadianprecisionshooting9597 the tuner at the rear of the brake prevents that blast from hitting the shooter; no headache after a match like I experienced with area 419 hellfire. You can always purchase the brake and test. Makes no sense for Without Warning to give you a free muzzle brake when he can’t even keep them in stock.
@@jetthreat5000 totally understand why he declined. On the other hand, it would make no sens for me to buy the must expensive MB on the market for a 2hours testing session. I test a lot of them, cant buy them all.
@@canadianprecisionshooting9597 then why go out of your way to say Without Warning said no to a free Brake, with no context as to why, when you yourself aren’t willing to spend money to test? I’ve tested dozens of pieces of reloading equipment, muzzle brakes and scopes with my own money and turned around and sold what I didn’t like. If it’s not worth 2 hours of testing then don’t go out of your way to low key crap on someone.
@@jetthreat5000 i am not saying crap on someone, just telling they decline being on the first video being the reason they are not there is just a fact, like the rest of the video. I have been asked to test dozen more brakes, I cant buy them all. And over that, I stated I am trying to put my hand on a unit for the testing. No bad intention against them buddy
I've had the APA little bastard gen 3 for over 5 years since they first released it and i have yet to find a muzzle brake that comes close to reducing recoil as much other than an Apollo Max
You do not have any Ultradyne brakes!!!??? They outperform all. Best brakes on the market. I have Apollo Max, Apollo S, Mercury, Pulse and Athena (linear). You simply must check them out. 16” AR shoots like a .22LR with the ApolloS
Hi, yeah we have tested the Ultradyne brake recently, it will be in the next video. I think its already in the table of the third one. Its a really good brake, it doesnt outperform all, but it class really decently.
We don't see them often other than on ELR or prone shooting. But yeah they were on my "maybe" list, just didn't make it as I already had quite a lot of them to test. Maybe in a near future !
I understand.. but they showed that weight alone kills recoil. So a lighter brake that cuts recoil down as much as the heavier is therefore more efficient. Also their test illustrates why yours would’ve showed more disparity between brakes if you wouldn’t have used a 20+lb rifle.. have a nice day!
I am preparing right now the third video of testing, I'll clean the excel file then put it in a sharepoint accessible to everyone, I'll release it at the same time as the third video to make it easier on me, around end of febuary
I am new at this and I haven't purchased one muzzle break yet. I need some for pistols and for rifles. Put it this way I'm lost I'm hoping this video will help.
Hi it wont help for pistol tho, but may I suggest to check the last video direcly? Its way more helpfull and complete then the first one. The second might also help you understand difference between à comp and à brake, wich I think is also helpfull
Great video? Did you tune the APA brakes before testing to monitor their actual potential in muzzle movement mitigation? It didn't make a lot of sense to test without doing so?
I did, but with what we were testing, it seems like all port opens was the best for muzzle rise. Closing port have more positive effect for left and right movement from my observation.
The angle is measure from the barrel being 0deg in direction of the shooter. So lower angle = more blast in shooter's direction, more angle mean further from the shooter. Hope this help
I just wondering why cadex mx2 wasn’t used in most of the testing because I noticed it wasn’t showing up on any of the data so I guess you guys did not get a chance to test it
You notice it right. The mx2 performed so poorly on the first few test that we didnt waste time on it. It was to be expected for a brake that is made to fit into a suppressor. For this job I am sure it is well suited, but far from the main objective of our testing. We kept the Cadex Mx1 mini on our test tho, as results were more promising.
It is a cut and analysis. There is no place with the full 45 hours of filming we got that is publicly available as it is way too big of a file, but we put all the data in an excel sheet I'm comfortable to provide.
En effet j'aurais aimé la tourner en francais, mais plusieurs choses m'ont poussé à la faire en anglais. 1- Le contenu n'est pas disponible ni en francais ni en anglais, 2- Le volume de tireurs qui comprennent l'anglais VS le francais, 3- Les fournisseurs de MB qui ont participé au video sont tous anglophones.
Oui je pensais bien que tu avais de bonnes raisons. Mais pour une fois qu'on a un francophones qui fait des vidéos de qualité, on est un peu déçu du coup. Mais après je comprends... 😉
I hope that you understand I cannot try the thousands of MB that exist. It's stated at the beginning of the video that I and trying the must used according to PRS officials information, and other brand that reach out to me for testing. I'll reach to them to see if they want to be part of the third testing video, but again, I cannot try them all.
@@canadianprecisionshooting9597 Yep, wasn't recommending thousands, just the one. The Apollo Max has outperformed many that you've tested in other independent tests. It doesn't make sense that it wouldn't be on the tip of the tongues of many "PRS Officials". :)
The design really look like the Cadex MX2 and is far down the list in the results. Standard 90deg open port really didn't perform well in the testing so far.
I have one of these and its ok. I have found MBM self timing beast brakes, x-caliber's xterminator & max terminator to do a better job with both muzzle lift and recoil. And that ace is even on a 257ackley i built with a 31" mtu 1:8 twist and still has more lift than the custom 264win and 6.5saums ive built with the other 3 mentioned
The Mdt comp comes closed... you said you did no adjustment which means its closed... seems unfair for the barrel climb test. My MDT Comp brake has way less climb than my Fat bastard gen3
it sure pick my curiosity. But a number like this depend a lot of the testing procedure, and is hard to put into comparison without side by side testing them against others. But I'll look more into it at the end of the season and see if I do an other video
There is so much brakes on the market, hard to test or even get them all on a same day. I'm planning on testing more of them during the off season. I will see if I can put my hands on one, interesting design for sure!
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Amazing rigor and consideration of the physics at play. Very impressive data driven approach.
Thank you, I really appreciate that. It is hard content to do, even harder to make it digest and fun to watch for others
Thank you for doing stringent testing and assembling detailed spreadsheets and supporting graphs to illustrate for us. Helps out tremendously. Looking forward to more content!
This test was very well thought out and I really appreciate that you are addressing more than one axis of motion. I would love to see you include the Hypertap by Precision Armament into this test. Amazing information here!
Yeah this MB comes a lot in the discussions, I'll see what I can do during the off season. Thank you
Appreciate your efforts and looking forward to the future videos
Great video Yanick! Thanks for all the time you've put into this!
My pleasure
Well done my friend! Very interesting!
J'ai commandé un Area 419 Hellfire Match pour ma 308....vraiment hâte d'essayer.
So much work went into this. I appreciate your effort!
Thank you. Yeah it have been a lot of work!! Check out the third one for more results!
Why doesnt the Precision Arament Hypertap Muzzle Brake get any love in these comparisions. I think it is HIGHLY effective and deserves a lot more love than it seems to get in this community.
I just got my hands on some of them, thank you to hypertap, they will be in the part 3 of the video, expected to be filmed in January. We will see how they stack up against the other big names!
@@canadianprecisionshooting9597 Oh very cool. Im excited to see how it does.
Also Id love to hear which brakes which had the most side/back concussion. I know that is hard to measure scientifically but even just an opinion would be good.
Some brakes are highly effective but awful to use bc you get a face full of gas
@@KevinWood44 there is a blast angle in the table to compare visually where the blast goes. It's hard to measure, but it gives a good idea, so far it's realistic to me. Last number to the right in both videos :P
@@canadianprecisionshooting9597 Ahhh thank you I didnt realize that. Great videos
Awesome! An independent check of their 84% recoil reduction needs to be tested. @canadianprecisionshooting9597
Thank you Yannick for the great video and information / data! Really great... cant wait to see the next one. Love it!
Thank you! I am excited myself for the next one
As a Canadian, you should check out Grizzly Gun Works - a Canadian brake manufacturer.
Thanks for putting this together. Looks like a very thorough test.
This video would’ve taken some serious time to produce, so my hat is off.
However, the test is around Prs style muzzle brakes and I would have loved to see the TMB in there it offers not only amazing recoil reduction, but is also a tuning device for accuracy development
The company has shown internal testing where it is 100% a leader in recoil reduction not sure why it’s not here.
Yeah, it took quite some time to make it. I'm putting my hand on a TMB brake for the second or third video, depending how many time it will take to get here. I've been in contact with them but the decline sending a unit for the test, they have been backorder for some time now. So stay tuned, in couple weeks they should be added to the test.
Very informative. Thank you.
Thanks to you!
Very cool, it's impossible to test the thousands of brakes available, but I was really hoping to see a terminator t3 or t4.
They are quite rare to see in PRS, so I really tried to stay in that gap, but yeah I've head good things about them. I'me already making a second video with more test, so maybe in the future
Great Video
Thanks
Love to see how the Micro Bastard / Answer Brake compares and also how a Silencer Co ASR brake / QR compares and lastly how Suppressors in general compare.
Sadly, all suppressors are illegal in Canada. And so I won't be abble to test thoses :(
Thank you for the valuable info. I tried to reach out to Botnia about their mini brake and no joy no reply
and as best I can figure they price out at $500-$600 Canadian before tax duty and shipping so back to another Area 419 hellfire match or a Vulcan maybe.
nice video yannick . De mon coté s’est sur que si tu voudrait tester quelque break qui sont tunable juste pour voir les difference sa serait un must 👌 continue de nous instruire
C'est effectivement dans mes objectifs pour plus tard, peut-être video 3, de voir d'effet du tuning des ports ou des angles
Amazing video, its the info i was trying to find.
So if i unstand correctly there is no corvette that will do 100mpg.
Meaning you have to find what suites you and your needs.
Like how you did this, you got a new subscriber.
Thanks, really appreciate that. You can look into the chanel, I have the "ultimate" one that is à follow-up of this one with more than 30 brakes being tested. Link is also in the description if you want.
Each time I rewatch this video I learn more. Great data! I’m in the market for a brake and find your info useful. Will you be doing any more videos on brakes or compensators?
I'm planning too during the off season if I can put my hand on 2 or 3 new brakes.
It is interesting the PVA Jetblast 3 port performs better than 4 ports.
Soooooo good. I love data! Thank you for sharing your hard work.
It's a pleasure. I'm working on a third and "final" video now, adding more MB and compiling all I already have. I'll also share the data into a sharepoint on this third video. (Much work to clean my datasheet for people to read it, I'll do it once).
Awesome video! Can you do some testing of the tunable brakes to see how effective they are?
It's in my plan for latter, probably video 3, to see the effect of closing progressively the ports, or changing the angle
Question,.. Does the PVA Jet 4 with, the Port Blast angle at 74 degrees, deflect the Blast Noise, away from the shooter to avoid, "Concussion Headaches" from prolonged shooting ?
How is it on Muzzle Rise for seeing,.. Impacts ? Is it, one of the "Better" Brakes, in Your Opinion ?
Less Muzzle RISE and LESS Blast, are my main Needs for, my 6.5 Creed. Recoil Reduction is NOT, as important to Me.
Good Testing !!!
Thank you, Yanick, in advance for answering, my Questions.
Hi, long story short, the PVA brakes are the best concussion side, even better than 90deg port (witch is kind suspicious, but the results talk for themself) and it's the reason all my hunting rifles now run PVA brakes.
On the muzzle rise side, if you don't mind the size, the shockwave shows best results with creedmoor case size. I've run a Jetblast (3 ports) for a long time on my 6.5creed and been really happy with it.
Thank you, for your Reply ! Brake "concussion" at, the shooter, is very important, to me ( #1 ). Next is, Muzzle rise, lastly is recoil reduction.
I will be looking at both, the PVA Shockwave and, the Jet 4 Brakes.
I'll put, a Phone call into PVA soon, to discuss which is better, for my Sporter weight, Tikka Rifle, in 6.5 Creed. Again,.. Thank you, for your Reply ! @@canadianprecisionshooting9597
Thanks for taking the time do do these tests Yanick. How did you get the ACE brake in Canada?
I get it in the US, wasn't abble to find a distributor in Canada when trying to find one
for the MDT comp brake, did you fully open the top ports? I'm quite surprised it had such terrible muzzle jump
Yes all the port were open.
I’ve shot most of those higher end brakes and the TMB has performed better than all of them and without a concussion to the shooter.
Great testing in the video though!
It is hard to tell without testing. TMB have declined the invitation to be part of this first testing, but I'll try to get my hand on one for the next video to see. And confirming the blast angle, just looking at the port angle, I doubt there will be no concussion, but only test will tell.
@@canadianprecisionshooting9597 the tuner at the rear of the brake prevents that blast from hitting the shooter; no headache after a match like I experienced with area 419 hellfire.
You can always purchase the brake and test. Makes no sense for Without Warning to give you a free muzzle brake when he can’t even keep them in stock.
@@jetthreat5000 totally understand why he declined.
On the other hand, it would make no sens for me to buy the must expensive MB on the market for a 2hours testing session. I test a lot of them, cant buy them all.
@@canadianprecisionshooting9597 then why go out of your way to say Without Warning said no to a free Brake, with no context as to why, when you yourself aren’t willing to spend money to test? I’ve tested dozens of pieces of reloading equipment, muzzle brakes and scopes with my own money and turned around and sold what I didn’t like.
If it’s not worth 2 hours of testing then don’t go out of your way to low key crap on someone.
@@jetthreat5000 i am not saying crap on someone, just telling they decline being on the first video being the reason they are not there is just a fact, like the rest of the video. I have been asked to test dozen more brakes, I cant buy them all.
And over that, I stated I am trying to put my hand on a unit for the testing. No bad intention against them buddy
Can you do some loudness testing at the shooters position with all of these brakes? that would be excellent data!
I've had the APA little bastard gen 3 for over 5 years since they first released it and i have yet to find a muzzle brake that comes close to reducing recoil as much other than an Apollo Max
Yeah they make good brakes
You do not have any Ultradyne brakes!!!??? They outperform all. Best brakes on the market. I have Apollo Max, Apollo S, Mercury, Pulse and Athena (linear). You simply must check them out. 16” AR shoots like a .22LR with the ApolloS
Hi, yeah we have tested the Ultradyne brake recently, it will be in the next video. I think its already in the table of the third one. Its a really good brake, it doesnt outperform all, but it class really decently.
Would have been great if you could have tested the New Zealand made Terminator T3 & T4 brakes.
We don't see them often other than on ELR or prone shooting. But yeah they were on my "maybe" list, just didn't make it as I already had quite a lot of them to test. Maybe in a near future !
I have a new brake in development. Are you interested in testing it in your test?
Best regards, Tobias Lindgren.
Of course I am! I'll contact you on FB.
Great video Yannick, I wonder how much of a difference the weight of the brake makes in terms of recoil.
It's also a question I've asked myself. But it is hard to test it, I'm not sure there is much difference
MDT did a great video on it. Weight reduces recoil by a ton!
@@Mr.Killswitch MDT tested the weight of a rifle, we are talking about the weight of the muzzlebrake only.
I understand.. but they showed that weight alone kills recoil. So a lighter brake that cuts recoil down as much as the heavier is therefore more efficient. Also their test illustrates why yours would’ve showed more disparity between brakes if you wouldn’t have used a 20+lb rifle.. have a nice day!
Great comparison! Is it possible for you to post a link to the data sheets?
I am preparing right now the third video of testing, I'll clean the excel file then put it in a sharepoint accessible to everyone, I'll release it at the same time as the third video to make it easier on me, around end of febuary
I am new at this and I haven't purchased one muzzle break yet. I need some for pistols and for rifles. Put it this way I'm lost I'm hoping this video will help.
Hi it wont help for pistol tho, but may I suggest to check the last video direcly? Its way more helpfull and complete then the first one. The second might also help you understand difference between à comp and à brake, wich I think is also helpfull
Great video? Did you tune the APA brakes before testing to monitor their actual potential in muzzle movement mitigation? It didn't make a lot of sense to test without doing so?
I did, but with what we were testing, it seems like all port opens was the best for muzzle rise. Closing port have more positive effect for left and right movement from my observation.
Providing the spreadsheets with data somewhere, or do I have to screen grab them?
Go on the video 3/3, the link is in the description.
Tres Bien!
Im confused on the concussion angle? Is a high angle or Low angle producing LESS concussion to the shooter?
The angle is measure from the barrel being 0deg in direction of the shooter. So lower angle = more blast in shooter's direction, more angle mean further from the shooter. Hope this help
I just wondering why cadex mx2 wasn’t used in most of the testing because I noticed it wasn’t showing up on any of the data so I guess you guys did not get a chance to test it
You notice it right. The mx2 performed so poorly on the first few test that we didnt waste time on it. It was to be expected for a brake that is made to fit into a suppressor. For this job I am sure it is well suited, but far from the main objective of our testing. We kept the Cadex Mx1 mini on our test tho, as results were more promising.
@@canadianprecisionshooting9597 thank you for answering
On the mdt comp were the top ports open or closed off ?
All open
Where to see full test video?
It is a cut and analysis. There is no place with the full 45 hours of filming we got that is publicly available as it is way too big of a file, but we put all the data in an excel sheet I'm comfortable to provide.
Can you please share you excel?
Yes just send me you're email, I've already send it to multiple shooters
Bonjour Yannick, dommage que la vidéo ne soit pas en Français... 😉
En effet j'aurais aimé la tourner en francais, mais plusieurs choses m'ont poussé à la faire en anglais. 1- Le contenu n'est pas disponible ni en francais ni en anglais, 2- Le volume de tireurs qui comprennent l'anglais VS le francais, 3- Les fournisseurs de MB qui ont participé au video sont tous anglophones.
Oui je pensais bien que tu avais de bonnes raisons. Mais pour une fois qu'on a un francophones qui fait des vidéos de qualité, on est un peu déçu du coup. Mais après je comprends... 😉
It's an incomplete test. You didn't include the Ultradyne Apollo Max in the test.
I hope that you understand I cannot try the thousands of MB that exist. It's stated at the beginning of the video that I and trying the must used according to PRS officials information, and other brand that reach out to me for testing. I'll reach to them to see if they want to be part of the third testing video, but again, I cannot try them all.
@@canadianprecisionshooting9597 Yep, wasn't recommending thousands, just the one. The Apollo Max has outperformed many that you've tested in other independent tests. It doesn't make sense that it wouldn't be on the tip of the tongues of many "PRS Officials". :)
VG6 Gamma would be a good compare
The design really look like the Cadex MX2 and is far down the list in the results. Standard 90deg open port really didn't perform well in the testing so far.
I have one of these and its ok. I have found MBM self timing beast brakes, x-caliber's xterminator & max terminator to do a better job with both muzzle lift and recoil. And that ace is even on a 257ackley i built with a 31" mtu 1:8 twist and still has more lift than the custom 264win and 6.5saums ive built with the other 3 mentioned
The Mdt comp comes closed... you said you did no adjustment which means its closed... seems unfair for the barrel climb test. My MDT Comp brake has way less climb than my Fat bastard gen3
No adjustment done, all ports open. It did not performed well on the free-recoil, but did track really well when pressure applied to the buttstock.
Precision Armament Hypertap is 84% recoil reduction.
it sure pick my curiosity. But a number like this depend a lot of the testing procedure, and is hard to put into comparison without side by side testing them against others. But I'll look more into it at the end of the season and see if I do an other video
There's no Seeking ATC Brake..
No ultradyne???? Come on man!
There is so much brakes on the market, hard to test or even get them all on a same day. I'm planning on testing more of them during the off season. I will see if I can put my hands on one, interesting design for sure!
You put brakes on bbguns to get real
I test brakes on PRS calibers this is it.