30 Cal Muzzle Brake Shootout: 9 Brakes Compared Head-To-Head!
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As an engineer and a precision shooter, I love this content. You have some of the most useful reviews on the internet - real scientific data for product evaluation. Please keep it up.
Absolutely!! Precision and clarity.
@@johnkissam8312 Thanks for appreciating what we do guys!
Excellent video.
Generally speaking, there are three things I'm interested in regarding muzzle brakes.
1. What is the Increase in noise level to the shooter.
2. How will a given muzzle brake change the poi of my rifle from being sighted in without a muzzle brake?
3. Recoil reduction.
Your video has thoroughly covered #3 and I hope you can include the other two points in a future video.
Would love to see a recoil reduction test with silencers - especially contrasting flow through designs with high back pressure “gas trap” designs.
Great data collection and analysis of various brakes. Really good to show how much actually goes into selecting components for your system and how they affect the whole system differently. I'd be interested in comparing brakes to suppressors in this fashion.
Dude! I can’t tell you how much this helped me choose the Apollo Max. Got one based on yours and another comparison. Went to the range today where there were three 300 WinMags. Mine with the Apollo Max and two other with no brakes; one had no recoil pad (older model) and another newer with pad. I can say without a doubt the Apollo max SIGNIFICANTLY reduced recoil. 3 shooters, all agreed. Great video!
This has a TON of potential. really cool stuff. Thank you and looking forward to see where this goes.
Awesome presentation of the data!
Great content. Thank you for doing all this work for our benefit
WOW! I don't know if I completely understand all of this to the degree you do. But it is fascinating! Ultimately, we see on the charts what the shoulder would feel. That would likely translate into enabling the shooter to observe impacts & possible trail of bullet. Great job. Good data. I am liking the EC Tuner. This gives me usable information to help make the decision. Thanks.
I’m watching your vid right now and I’m totally nerding out! Love it! Excellent job with the data analysis, I’ve done very similar work for a different application. Also I just purchased the Apollo Max to go on a Sig Cross in 308. I’m glad it isn’t just marketing and the data checks out.
Very cool test. Thanks for all the hard work on this.
Thanks guys- love your channel!
@@Ultimatereloader 👊
Great video. Answers alot of questions.
Awesome video if you do a follow up video. Make sure to test both the area 419 hellfire match and the sidewinder. With how well the normal hellfire preformed I would love to see how those ones do. Keep up the awesome videos thanks.
Great video loved the content. I’m very interested in the noise levels between all them especially the Ultradyne models as I have been looking into them lately anyway and then I ran across your video. Thanks
Gavin, I'd love to see those expanded to include Muzzlebrakesandmore, APA muzzle breaks as well as Terminator muzzle breaks
This sounds like an awesome series that I would love to watch because I'm a numbers nerd.
APA brakes strangely missing... precisionrifleblog surveyed professional long range shooters and it was by far the most popular.
Agreed.!
Thank you for sharing your research
Thank you! Great video!
Awesome testing Gavin! If you can I would love to see you test the TI pro muzzle break. That is what I have and it seems to be very effective but I'm always curious how it compares to other brakes
Great video with fascinating data
Hi Gavin,
I really enjoyed this test and seeing the results grafted. I was also a little surprised by those results because I assumed other breaks would out preform the Apollo breaks. Quite a surprise. It would be interesting to run a decibel test from behind the rifle at the time of running other tests on the breaks. The noise levels and overall break efficiency together would be fruitful in deciding what break to purchase. Really great job Gavin.
Dude tested the Apollos upside down😭
I know a few guys that really love their EC Tuner Brake. More than one said it turned a 1" MOA rifle to a 1/4"MOA rifle
My go to trusted review site. Thank you!
Apollo Max it is. Thanks for the content. Its really helping me pick my parts.
Awesome video, as an engineer i found very valuable a video with actual data instead of feelings.
About the theory that the peaks are related to the natural frequency it would be very interesting to see the differences changing the tuning of the myzzle
I am a fan finally a real engineer approach to measurement here super clear presentation graphics and method. Normalize the trigger pole is the only improvement I see here but keep going you’re onto something as a Gungineer
Very informative video. This is what people need to know as far as muzzlebrakes go! You've gained another subscriber
Thanks, and welcome!
Great data
this is incredibly interesting content nowhere in the world you can get this .
this is brilliant can't wait to see what's next.
Thanks for the sharing enjoyed it,see you on the next one.👍
Good that you mentioned NOISE "dispersion".
The critical arc is 90 degree either side and around to the REAR.. Re-directed blast to the firer and adjacent shooters / bystanders, is an important factor in hearing safety and general "comfort" on the range and in the field.
Great video. Question, is there a change in velocity with different types of brakes as well? Keep up the great work.
Thanks for the info Gavin ! I just ordered the Apollo Max based on your findings and other reviews from people in the PRS comp community for my new Savage 110 precision elite 300 prc rifle. I will let you know how I like it after I get it on the range. Dana
Try this test with an undersized round like 6mm or 6.5 PRC. through the 30 CAL. brakes
Great stuff !!
Awesome video, thanks ! Hope to see follow up(s).
Look into a shock sensor used on automotive race cars. We use them to measure suspension travel for suspension tuning. They can be mounted to the stock and test bench to measure barrel lift. I’m not sure on how fast they measure movement, but we have also used them as a throttle position sensor as well with no issues. Great video and info.
Amazing Video!!!
Awesome experiment Gavin. Man I would love to see someone film barrel whip in super slow motion ( like Myth Busters did of a 338 Lapua Magnum ) and shoot groups at the same time so we can see the bullets leaving the muzzle at a different point during barrel whip to see the end results on targets at various ranges . I cannot think of a better person than Gavin to make this happen.
I love the information that you provide. You really are providing a service. I am typing this as i watch so if you answer my question later i apologize, if not i will search through prior videos, but i wonder how a suppressor compares to the brakes in recoil reduction.
Awesome test! I am interested to see the development of these results on various cartridges!
Would love to see you do a recoil impulse / time comparison with a suppressor vs a brake. Everyone knows that a suppressor elongates the recoil time but I don’t think there’s any numbers involved. We have been discussing this in my PRS group chat and talking about how the longer recoil impulse makes seeing impacts/splash harder
How does your pulling trigger affect the recoil? Are you adding a variable by not pulling the same way every time? How about the other hand bracing the firearm? Probably should have a trigger pull rig to pull the same way every time and then do testing with dummy rounds to quantify without actual recoil.
was about to ask the same thing when I seen him bracing the scope then seen this comment, not judging, just curious as to if there would be a measurable affect on the data.
Remember that the peak forces were 360-700 pounds, a 2 pound trigger pull won't influence the curve really
it's a 26lb rifle....i'm sure he's not gonna skew his results on a 2-3lb trigger pull...give him credit for doing stuff you your self are not going to do or test
@@thorwaldjohanson2526 2 pounds may be the force required for the trigger to release but the force applied to the trigger will be greater. In addition the angle will very each time. It would be very much either, I've seen some pretty basic setups. The ones used at Lake City are extremely simple, no over thinking required.
A 26lb rifle will mute a lot of recoil however. It seems like a lot of effort to still be imprecise.
Thank you!
Keep up the great work! I enjoy looking at the data so a guy can figure out how much felt recoil can be reduced. Keep doing what your doing, don't listen to the trolls on here, 98% probably don't have a firearm, the other 2% MIGHT have one and know how to shoot it.
Gavin, I am glad someone put some real accurate data to the brake test. I am also an engineer that works on taking force measurements at very high speeds(300ks/s). There are several little things you could do to get the purest readings but most of them are just noise due to the high forces you are measuring. I am surprised at how high they are. As for muzzle rise, you could use a high speed camera but then you will need compare it to some measuring device. An easier way would be to use a linear or axial encoder mounted on pivots. You would also be able to correlate the muzzle rise with the recoil force and the time off of target. Keep up the good work.
laptop said 79 Degrees and I became jealous. If only I could go outside to shoot in anything less than 100 degrees. Great work Gavin.
Wow I have one of those apollos
Just picked up the Apollo Max for the 5.56. Very interested in seeing how it does in that Caliber. Sound suppression for the devices is near nonexistent so I’d love to see that tested if possible. Very data driven great info, good stuff!
I appreciate the scientific approach to your research.
My guess on the increased recoil time is from backpressure. I'd like to see if there is any increase or decrease to average velocity at the muzzle from the different breaks. Would also love to see how the widely trusted budget VG6 brand works compared to the others.
As a former physics instructor and former sniper, I was intrigued to see the terrifically specific data you were collecting in your research.
I'm trying to determine which .30 caliber muzzle brake to purchase and your work will be the yardstick I use before making my decision.
I've not seen any other guntuber doing such intricate research in this area.
The Apolo Max appears to be the brake that accomplished the mission best. This has been a gratifying experience. Seeing a young man doing significant research in this arena restores my faith in the STEM capability of your generation.
Bravo, Sir, bravo. Extremely well done, indeed.
You have my gratitude and thanks. To say thanks as we say in Cherokee, wa-do. Pronounced wah-doe.
If you haven’t got one yet, do it. You will not be let down.
Ultradyne apollo S
I have to echo the Ultradyne Apollo. I bought one for 6.5 Grendal, reduced perceived recoil to almost nothing on an AR platform.
I know, Grendal doesn't have much recoil anyway. I am trying to reduce rifle jump and this helped a great deal.
@TFoley-mm9ff What's the difference between the Apollo Max and the Apollo S...?
@@MitchShurden to the best of my knowledge, the difference has to do with bore size.
Great experiment. Your test proved my theory correct about the EC tuner brake. I noticed more recoil when I switched out my APA Little Bastard Gen 2 for it on a 9lb 300 WSM. Your test showed it was mediocre when it came to reducing recoil.
Thanks for the video / information. Very interested in the "muzzle rise" follow-up test....
Interesting results. I know you did 300 PRC, but it would be interesting to see the results in say 6.5 or 6 creed with a 30 cal muzzle brake since having a larger tolerances helped in creating less recoil results. Just me 2 cents and thank you for showing us the results.
While some of the better brakes on the chart did have higher clearances, some of the runner ups also had a tight clearance like the ec tuner brake and the hellfire, I would say they may not exactly be linked but it would be intersting to test. I wonder if they could do the same test with a 300 prc on the hellfire, then open up the bore of the hellfire and retest it to see what the results are. Just my .02
Awesome video! I was wondering if you happened to have done any testing on the Area 419 Sidewinder? I am just about done with a 300 win mag build and am feeling torn between the Apollo and the Sidewinder. In any case, your content is great man, thanks for putting it out!
I own the Hellfire. I’m interested in blast vs recoil reduction. I mostly shoot suppressed. Great video!
Great video! Plenty of useful data and it opens the door for a whole series on useful data for us hunters and prs guys as well. Might I suggest a test on on big bore rifles in hunting stocks. With your testing equipment you test OEM vs the best aftermarket offerings. Endless possibilities.
Great video, there will be a lot of interest on this subject. I would be interested in seeing the difference in the recoil reduction in the Thunderbeast Compact brake and the TB brake with the TB suppressor attached. Also it would be interesting to see the Area 419 brakes with 4,6,and 8 ports since it appears that the port design is the same but the number of ports are the difference in the three.
Thank you for another most interesting video.😎👍🇺🇸✝️
Great, informative video…I’d love to see the surefire muzzle break included if possible.
I have the Apollo on my AR10 in 308 and that thing is LOUD! I ended up switching to a Browning Recoil Hawg instead; works fine and is much lighter/smaller. I have the Hellfire Match on my 20" 300wsm Tikka and I've been pretty impressed with it! Doesn't seem like it throws much gas/sound back as much as the brakes I have on my AR.
Excellent test. Thank you very much!
Couple tests I would love to see:
- adding a hellfire match into that comparison (4 port vs 4 port design). Maybe for that test include a couple of the most popular PRS brakes….
- for sight picture, a scope mounted camera view on a mil calibrated target could be a good way of measuring this?
- the same test for suppressor brakes would be very interesting
i bought an EC tuner brake, put it on a Unitau Precision upper. With 168 A-Max, the difference between brake and no brake on 0, the group went from 1.5 to 3/4".
The super beast series from muzzlebreaksandmore are the best out there. The latter has testing on his channel showing better performance than the apallo's.
Powder charge and burn rate along with and bullet, length and weight will effect barrel pressure even primer chose can effect pressure. Muzzle brakes are the mechanical aspect of recoil reduction. Grate topic! Finally someone come up a way to actually measure recoil and brake it down.
Just got a new Tikka T3x 308 and was going to purchase the Precision armament but I’m really interested in the Apollo. My old shoulder is not really liking my 300 win mag after 35 years of shooting one. Great video!
Would love to see the APW Raptor brakes tested like this. Have heard some great things about them.
I would love to see the M11, MDT comp, hypertap, and JP large profile compensator added to this, especially for the sound comparison!
Extremely interesting data. Glad to see you picked up where Cal left off! I like the fact that the data simply cant be fudged in anyway. It is what it is.
The angled port brakes seemed to perform really well. Case and point being the 419 brake being smaller, but more effective. The EC brake is 4 ports, but they are relatively straight which hurt it overall performance. Those Ultradyne brakes worked pretty well, but I wonder how they would stack up against a 4 port 419 or APA brake.
I would love to see you test the Ryan Peirce 5 port muscle brake. I have one and absolutely love it.
Someone did a comparison of about 30 brakes using a simple sled/ruler device. The Apollo won that too. So I put those on all my rifles. No regrets. Nice to see confirmation. Thank you.
Great experiment. For future trials, it may be good to add weight and length of each brake and produce an "efficiency rating" for each brake. My primary concern is how much weight is added to the end of the barrel
@UltimateReloader I've always noticed somehow a not only a dampened recoil but a less sharp or longer recoil sequence when shooting with a break. Just now watching this and seeing the data points graphed a light bulb went off. I have a very confident answer as to why the recoil impulse would last longer. Muzzle device void the bullet fires and very simply you get your recoil as fast and hard as it can be given to you. That's barely covering it but I want to save character's for the answer. The reason is this: In testing, the only gasses considered is that from the base of the bullet back, but there's a whole barrel full of gas in the form of atmosphere. That bullet absolutely must pressurize and push the air that is ahead of the bullet in the barrel. So if that pressurized air flows through the barrel why would it not flow with the same properties as the gas behind the bullet? You are elongating the recoil sequence because the air in front of the bullet gets pressurized and flows through that break at the instant of firing. In other words the break isn't waiting to work until the combustion gasses pass through it. You are in fact working that break first and foremost by the air ahead of the bullet being pushed out the barrel. Meaning that you are getting simultaneous force in both directions on the same axis which is slowing the recoil down. I don't have any means to test this but I do have a theoretical way to test this. It requires smoke and super slow motion. Smoke the bore and super slow motion record the firing of the rifle so you can see what happens to the air that's ahead of the accelerating projectile. The camera angle would likely have to be a top down view. This would be an awesome video to collab with the slo-mo guys.
Awesome information. Would like to see APA brakes in the lineup.
MDR has a great muzzle break port test while eliminating human errors. By you having your hand on top raise questions about accuracy of the test. Even if you're it from flipping it still adds human error.
I have the Apollo S on my 18” 223 Wylde. Great products. Will stick with them when I get a 308.
The air inside the barrel before the shot provide pre-bullet braking which accounts for the offset in the peak from the bare muzzle.
I was thinking that you should look at reduction of impulse rather than total impulse. It might be enlightening. I realize the result order won’t change, but showing the amount of reduction might be helpful when looking at a higher recoil rig.
Very cool! Thanks for all the videos! Do you have the hellfire match brake? I would like to see it compared to the original hellfire for both recoil impulse and sound.
My immediate theory as to why the brakes with the higher clearance performed better is based off of fluid mechanic principals. For example you get better flow with a gradual 90 degree turn than you do with an abrupt 90. So giving some clearance simulates a gradual shift. That paired with the 4 port design would makes sense why they performed so well. Would like to see this test done with hand loads to have a more consistent charge to compare. Might be negligible but would still be interested in seeing those results.
I had great luck with the MPA .30 brake with my .308. 175gr SMK'S at 2760fps. Switched to a TBAC Dominus SR supressor and it's definitely a different recoil experience.
Great info! Thank you. Do you have any experience with a surefire brake/suppressors??
Love to see you review the "hawg" brake from browning. CLAIMED up to 75% reduction
Great info! I'm playing around with brakes on my 308.
Would love to see a Hellfire vs Hellfire 2P sound/recoil reduction comparison. Keep up the great content!
Gavin, do you ever look at the videos from Mark and Sam after work about his muzzle breaks, he has some really interesting brakes for all calibers, but this video is really interesting!
You should do a test with Triarc structured barrels! The barrels are designed to lower harmonics.
Good video 👍 You missed by not including the JP eliminator, the flattest shooting of them all. Recoil elimination is great but but flat recoil is King for helping out when you're out of an ideal shooting position.
Very interesting. I knew a shooter who used the big JP Enterprises breaks because he felt that the larger surfaces of the Recoil Eliminator breaks would reduce recoil more than the smaller breaks. As we were shooting long range with .223 rifles I'm not sure I could ever tell the difference.
Very interesting data representation in user terms
Idea to utilize your current set up to test for "compensation". Rig your sensor to in a type of bracket to rest on top of the barrel near the muzzle. Then with each comp you should have a reading of muzzle reaction in volts or your convert to pounds of force. With the sensitivity of your sensor, you should have some pretty good data. Personally, I care more about the compensation features over the reduced felt recoil. Makes those follow up shots on point. Love the video. Please keep up the good work!!
Yes, I would like to see sound pressure level at the shooter's position versus how much recoil is reduced.
I agree a trigger pull rig, maybe with hydraulics or something to pull the trigger can help take out an extra small variable.
You were grabbing the firearm during testing. Wouldn’t that affect your results? You could be putting different pressure on the gun for each round. Should be testing while no touching the firearm at all except to pull trigger.
The force from the trigger pull will be around 1-3lbs, on a 26lb gun. That amount of pressure is absolutely negligible compared against the peak recoil force. The differences will just be lost in the noise of the data
I wasn't referring to him pulling the trigger. But he is grabbing the scope. I don't know how much pressure he is putting on it and it could be varying with each round.
@@dustinchristopher66 even then, we are still only talking about at most a pound or two of pressure on the scope, a pound or two on the trigger, and then 500lbs of recoil force. The Impact of his hands on the gun won't even show up on the graph
What about the fact that he had both Ultradyne Apollo muzzle devices oriented the wrong way during testing? Could that affect the effects of the recoil measurements?
I agree with you! We have no idea how much pressure he was applying with his hand on the scope Nd how consistent that pressure was from shot to shot. Very nice test, but tainted by the hand. He needs to find a way to conduct the test without his stabilizing hand.
Only just found this video. Great idea and interesting results. I wonder about the effect of a suppressor and maybe one of the ATF-free devices that push the sound forward?
Not a question, just an anecdote. But an Apollo Max on a 11.5 will clear a firing line very quickly. And in an indoor range you get removed.
Great job! I would like to see that MDT comp brake.
Wow lots of Interesting Information.
I think those different”peaks”you’re seeing more coincide with the amount of baffles in each break and how the pressurized gas interacts with each baffle in a consecutive order as it leaves the barrel as opposed to the resonance of the weapon. Although I do think overall resonance does play a role due to location of the break on the the front of the weapon, and the sensor on the rear!