Agreed they look so spider-like. And those screams just added to their terrible image. If encountered in real life I believe a person would shit their pants.
Long live the memory of the Narn Main Fleet! Once the feared war machine of the Galaxy, horrifically laid low in a matter of moments. This of course was the Shadows' plan, to pick off one of the great powers, under cover of the aging Centauri fleet.
Narn Heavy Cruisers are works of art. Probably the most beautiful starship design ever made in sci-fi (IMHO), sleek and stately, like an intermediary step between Earth's lower tech and the Minbari's higher tech. Combination battleship and carrier, its two miles of raw power projection was once feared by all. The tragic fall of the Narn, and their transformation from antagonists to protagonists, is one of the greatest stories in Babylon 5.
Apparently the Narns deliberately designed their ships to resemble those by older races as part to their power projection philosophy. When you get close up you can see the industrial greeblies that trail the Earth Alliance in capability in between those beautiful hull designs.
@@thepurpleapple Нарны делали свои крейсеры как контрмера крейсерам центавриан, чтобы их превосходить, и 1 на 1 нарнский крейсер способен выиграть бой у центаврианского крейсера.
Tom Smith has just posted a re-work of the original scenes of the Battle of Gorash 7 on his channel in HD and I wanted to compare with your work. And while the original files look amazing in HD, I really love how you enriched the previous material. I LOVE the scouts / fighters of the Shadows behaving like an animal hive mind - sooo cool! Also the Narn ships moving a bit faster and reacting, running away or evading the Shadow maneuveurs were brilliant! Loved the choreography. Keep up the amazing work!
My version(aside from the models & live clips)is all my own work from the ground up. I just copied camera views + added more and brought it up to date a bit. A lot of people don't like what I did with the shadow fighters and that's fine. They're free to re-create the scenes themselves ;)
Amazing work. This space battle is what drew me into Babylon 5 back when it first aired. I think it's scale and music make it one of the best space battle in sci-fi history.
I wish we could see the whole series again like this. The series is great enough its still easily watchable, but could you imagine babylon 5 in 4k? amazing.
Unlike Trek, at least the producers of B5 THOUGHT AHEAD and and made the show - other than the pilot - so it would easily be able to be updated some day. (Those thoughts never even crossed trek's mind as they just struggled to get the shots done that day & obviously never considered high definition/widescreen. B5 was shot FOR widescreen even though it was broadcast on 4:3 tvs) Unfortunately, the producer's theory of "the cost of CGI in the future will go down & we'll easily update the graphics & resolution of the CGI" didn't quite work out in reality. 1. The cost relatively speaking, stayed the same as the originals. 2. The original CGI models were thought to be lost to easily re-render it as planned. HOWEVER, somehow a FAN got a hold of many (not all) of the original CGI models about a year ago & simply re-rendered in 1080 and the results are pretty damn good. (BETTER than the original tv showing but still not quite the model-quality of what audiences are accustomed to nowadays). Unfortunately, the rights holders have no desire to re-render the series (I'd love to buy it on Bluray, but even the DVDs are kind of expensive now) and there doesn't seem to be enough of a demand thus B5 will go down as a footnote in scifi & cgi history but not celebrated with a HD release, even though it is entirely possible now, but the powers that be don't want to put in even that minimal effort (plus the effort to re-model & re-animate the lost footage/models). On the bright side the live action was shot on film so 4k WOULD be possible.. with a LOT of work, even more than remastering TNG - but since that experiment didnt profit as much as paramount had hoped, barring some miracle, I doubt B5 will get the HD treatment, much less 4k.
Most, in fact nearly all the original models were lost. Go and read B5 Scrolls. Don't believe what a 'fan' says. All the models I've used are higher poly count and texture resolution than the originals. Not saying my film's superior to the original, but it is better than the version done with so said 'scene files' , before we have that argument. Also, one of guys whose models' I've used did modelling work for The Lost Tales. But hey this is the internet and everyone's right ;) Also, this is just my opinion but I remind you I wield the ban hammer.
Babylon 5 is my favorite sci-fi show of all time. Absolutely genius 5 year story arc. Beautiful space scenes, excellent actor performances. Now playing on HBO Max with surprisingly good quality (except for the pilot).
As the years go by I hear things. I hear about people wishing to reboot the series. I hear about HD remasters. As a fan that watched the original pilot. I would have to say that some things are best left in the time in which they were made. Babylon 5 should remain as it is. A testament to those who worked on it and the message it delivered. I was a teenager when the series was finally launched. It taught me so much about life. And it continues to teach me to this day. All that being said thank you for your work on this video. My favorite new addition to the battle was the swarms of shadow fighters chewing through the Narn warships like paper.
Thanks to the specialists for their work, it was so beautiful and nostalgia was very strong. It's a pity that nothing in this universe is being filmed anymore.
@@Nine-Signs First time a Shadow ship missed the WhiteStar, it was so they could then follow it back to home. Detonating the jump gate deleted that strategy. Why did the Shadow vessel use the jump gate then I wonder?
It didn’t. It was just following the White Star. When the White Star exited the Jump Gate back to normal space, the Shadow Vessel phased into normal space using its own unique way of entering and exiting hyperspace, but it did so right beside the Jump Gate, so it was still caught in the explosion when the Jump Gate blew.
B 5's Shadows and Doctor Who's Weeping Angel's the stuff of some really cool nightmares. Thanks for the memory refresher I had forgotten how creepy the Shadows were when they first appeared
Narn Cruisers are my favorite Babylon 5 ship, such an interesting design - and best yet, in every battle they’re in we get to see them in cross-section!
I remember being pretty young watching this and expecting a big fight, the utter ass unboxing video the Narns opened in this battle shook my tiny brain to the core!!!
The Narn didn’t use G’QuanHeavy Cruisers when they attacked Ragesh III. But at least one G’Quan participated in the bombardment of Centauri Prime in Season 5.
Yep, have a laugh looking at the comments of the ignorant that think the battle was too one sided, when all I did was redo it with some extra bits according to lore. Funny af Granted the fighter scene is not cannon, but was fun to render.
@@SpacialKatana re the fighter bombardment... if the guys doing the CGI back then had access to half the power we have on a desk today you can be assured it would have been done :o) Put a big smile on my face to see. Re the limitations of the day, you gave love to my favorite ship the omega class and I was so happy to see it, but did you know it is actually vastly better armed than was ever shown on screen? I saw an interview with the chap who designed it about 15 years ago, it has a hell of a lot more weapon mounts and fighters mounted in the rotating sections that effectively get thrown out of the ship via rotation on launch plus missile batteries but they could only do so much with what they had to work with. Still amazing regardless. Much thanks for your work.
I love this scene, the almost total destruction of what was left of the Narn fleet ❤ (remember that the Centauri ❤ had already damaged them enough in previous battles).
Ничего подобного, до этой битвы у Нарна и Центавра было практически равновесие, с небольшим преимуществом центавриан, и как раз эта атака должна была перевесить чашу весов несколько уже в сторону Нарна, но случилось то что случилось. Впрочем флот Нарна не ограничивался только данным флотом, что покажут дальнейшие события уже после капитуляции нарнов.
This was my first memorable "Oh shit!" moment from when B5 first aired, all those years ago. Like seriously, how were the good guys going to fight the Shadows? They didn't have a chance. Great story, engaging characters. The two most essential ingredients for a great show.
They could start by building turrets. :P G'quan beams do just fine (better than fine!) against the Shadows if and when they can actually get their guns on the target, so they probably ought to have stopped fixed-mounting them and instead put them on huge gimbals.
They did have turreted weapons which we see used in the show, I don't know what the in universe reason was for them only going to to toe with the big guns but I think it just stylistically looked cool and was cheaper to animate this way. B5 was inconsistent with space combat like that sometimes.
Same, I was utterly shocked. I couldn't believe the dreaded Narn, one of the five superpowers of the Galaxy, were utterly wiped out. And the bombing of Narn itself...I was sure at the time only a handful of them survived the apocalypse...that the race was functionally extinct. I was so devastated. And massively impressed, I knew this show was something never seen before, and it was GOOOOOOD. My regular fandom became an obsession...Babylon 5 became the greatest show to me then.
@@LordTelperionYeah! It was such a massive shock to witness first time (and the dozen other times I watched that episode). I know that Narn had ten colony worlds so there were probably decent numbers of them elsewhere (albeit under Centauri occupation) but it is a miracle that there was anything at all left on the Homeworld following that bombardment, let alone it still being inhabitable as shown in season 3.
I love the Narn BattleCrusiers. It's terrible how such powerful ships were destroyed so easily. What a waste. I'd love to see a full battle between them and the centari. No outside interference.
Known fact that Stellaris devs are big B5 fans, and whole fallen empires concept is inspired by Shadows and Vorlon. And main reason we have "War in Heaven" end game scenario, which exactly like Shadow war. With chance to form own league xD It's main reason why i adore that game
The first time I watched this I did not really like it as it was a little to much like the Ancient drones from Stargate Atlantis, but the more i re-watched the more i started to like the idea, the only issue with it is it utterly breaks the shadows and makes them utterly OP
When the first shadow cruiser showed up I was thinking this is bad, they're going to struggle. After that the rest appearing felt like nails in a coffin. So unfair, and yet in war, if you're not cheating you're not trying hard enough. Really makes you hate the Centauri though.
Only if you forget the constant provocation and aggression by the Narn before mr Morden came to Londo. Remember, they attacked colonies and were in fact pushing into Centaury space, which was a prime reason why Londo unwittingly accepted the help of the shadows, and even then, he believed the whole thing to be a joke until the Narn outpost was destroyed.
The only problem I have with this is that the fighter-drones move as if they were in air. That's not how things work in space. A line in a flyby, popping out their own "energy mines/photon torpedoes/antimatter blobs" as they turn in unison would have been much more realistic in terms of physics, which Straczynski insisted on. Even though the first ones had hard-core gravometric drives which could do sharp turns in space, the cannon Shadow drone fighters did not have that much maneuverability. They acted like billion-year advanced starfuries in that regard. Otherwise, I'd put you in charge of a digital remaster of the space battle effects for the best TV show ever made.
Losing 6-8 Heavy Cruisers: In Stellaris -> "pffft. It'll take me 6 months to replace" In WH40K -> "Only 8?! Check the battle report again!" In Babylon 5 -> "We have no concept of economy when it comes to losing material" In SG -> "We had 8 heavy cruisers?"
I have no doubt that the Shadows - if they truly wanted to - could use a deflector-shield-tech, but frankly: They don't need to, their ships are hard to destroy as it is and easy to replace! Even the largest Shadow-Ship is a after all an organic-hull that can be grown, some fancy tech and a single living being as the ship's central computer (they did use humans, thought about using telepaths, but Bester and Sheridan stopped that!)
interesting. shadows took some time to slice up those narn battle cruisers. those things don't get sliced very easily. apparently its thicker armour must be a factor.
Even though I have watched this battle many times it wasn’t until now that I realized how many ships the Narn actually had. Totally wiped out, the shadows are awesome. I would really love to see them battle the borg!
The Borg battle would end up the same way as the battle with Species 8472(Before Voyager got involved). They would not be able to handle the energy weapons. The only way I see the Borg getting Shadow technology is if they spread nano probes throughout space in hopes of assimilating the organic hull and CPU.
@@antc1442 I pretty much agree with your analysis. The inability to assimilate would be the boards downfall although they would inflict serious damage on the shadows and probably destroy quite a few vessels. And since what one board knows the others know it wouldn’t take long before the board with retreat. What an interesting battle though!
@@cousinjuno Given how the shadows were able to plant crazy advanced mind machine interfaces in the ship cores, I suspect they would be able to fully reverse or even supersede borg assimilation technology.
@@admthrawnuru you may well be right. Also the fact that there seem to be some sort of psychic ability or effect that comes along with some other attacks might totally disrupt the Borg unity. Races with any telepathic powers at all might simply devastate the board without actually having to fire a shot. I didn’t actually observe Any mental attack by the shadows but I would not be surprised if they had the capability to disrupt the board hive mind!
@@supersaiyaman11589 Politely disagree. The Narns were going to lose, only a question of how soon. The Shadow ambush at Gorash 7 sped up their downfall. It was an awesome episode.
1. They were fighter drones but limited use unlike SG's where a single one can take out a fleet. 2. If the show creators back in the early to mid 90's had the power available to them back then that we have today, you can be assured drones would have featured. As it stands the CGI they achieved on f all budget with limited processing power was remarkable. 3. When I saw them here I was grinning.
Why didn’t half the warships share jump points on the way in? That way the other half of them could have their engines already charged in case they need to make a hasty exit.
My understanding, from something JMS said at a con long ago, is that capital ships can't create jump points large enough to accommodate multiple capital ships, just the small escorts. They just don't have the energy capability. But, that is also just a decision made by the writers.
@@poppasan1873 The Shadows believe in evolution through conflict. Technology rapidly advances during wars, far more so than in peacetime. The Vorlons wanted stuff to be stable and frozen in-place, hence still using conventional jump points and even jump gates. It’s understandable that Shadow tech outpaced Vorlon tech. Though it’s also fair to suggest the Vorlons have a bigger fleet from not engaging other enemies. Especially since the Vorlons used younger races like the Minbari as proxies in the past.
@@poppasan1873 You kind of answered your own question. The shadows don't need jumpgates because they just phase in and out of hyperspace. Everything about the Vorlons and the Shadows is in opposition. Vorlons share there knowledge to a degree, which is why the younger races use jumpgates and jumppoints rather than Shadow phasing tech.
It would have been nice to to see the Shadows crap ticked, just for surprise effect. The Narns should have sent a "dummy" force in first, to see if anything strange happened. Not just because it's an important battle, but to "degrade" the element of surprise. It would, of course, partially ruin the plot advancement, partially. An attack, at close range - with hundreds of ship equivalent energy beams would really teach them a really big lesson. And they need to be taught a big lesson, too. Just because.
@Mike It wasn't due to a lack of time as such, it was due to the technological limitations of the time, what they achieved back then was actually beyond ground breaking. No one had ever done a heavily CGI laden scifi show before and even high budget movies were still mostly reliant on model work when B5 began.
@@Nine-Signs :) Yes, I know. B5 was revolutionary and I know about the Amiga 2000 rendering farm. The question relates to their creative impetus and what if they had had our current means. Even with a Cray computer they wouldn't have matched us for production output. Stories, ahhhh, stories are another matter. I enjoy B5's effects on their own merit. I grew up learning not to see the strings attached to marionettes so B5 has no problem even today providing suspension of disbelief. I don't wish for a reboot. The timeline hasn't been exhausted. If a new movie was done I would like to see from first contact with the Centauri up to the Dilgar war. This leaves out the Mimbari, I don't know how fans would take this but if it had the proper production resources, maybe. The old dilemma, small budget but no executive hounding you with potential merchandising or full budget and the producers pitching in format with soft gloves and no controversial subjects.
Wonderful. I certainly couldn't have made it(im a modeler). I can't imagine the time it must have taken to render. There is some minor things like the editing and the shadow Fighters acting like droneships from star trek Beyond that may be stretching it a bit. But otherwise cool.
You want to see the Narn die like warriors... watch 'Severed Dreams' as they help defend B5 against the EarthForce Marines that board the station. Jeez... it's like watching flies throw themselves into a fire. Between that and G'kar's iconic 'we will be free speech, it's no wonder the Narn would eventually break free and rise up again.
Wonderful work, after seeing the original many many years ago, i thank you for sending shivers down my spine again watching this renewal. The added scenes are very well done! Is there a chance on adding HD Narn bridge scenes, now that B5 has been rebooted in HD on HBO?
The work was great. If you make a V2, try and find a couple of sounds of the Shadows instead of the same one over and over. This is like when the lightsabers came out with sound boards and we were all like clash clash woohooo...then we got bored and said can you vary the clash font sound? Not a criticism...more like a beta test thought.
The Narn Regime was always a bit of a paper tiger. Lots of bluster and bluff in Season 1, but when push came to shove they were the weakest of the big 5 Babylon Council races. There is a parallel between the Narn and the humans. Both suffered significant military psychological trauma at the hands of an older, far more advanced race (for the Narn it was the Centauri, for the humans it was the Minbari) Both spent the next few decades feverishly building up their defence forces and searching for more advanced technology. Both THOUGHT (or at least outwardly claimed) that they had finally achieved parity with their former foes. Both were wrong.
The Narn and the Earth Alliance were supposedly on the same technology level. The main guns on Earth's Omega class destroyers were purchased from the Narn and then adapted to service about Earth Vessels.
@@dirdib69 it's never stated in the show whether they did or did not. We can however imply since Narn tech is comparable to the Centauri's, who do have gravimetric tech confirmed in show, they do as well. The design of the Narn heavy cruiser, such as its arrangement of the windows, similar silhouette to Centauri cruisers, etc., is additional evidence they have artificial grav too. The idea the Narn did *not* have artificial gravity was an invention of internet forums (a hotly debated topic back in the day) that got stuck in the public consciousness...born out of the seatbelts Warleader G'Sten and the bridge crew are wearing and a desire to tout the EA as technologically superior (Earth First!)...but hell, if I'm going into a space battle I'd want to be strapped to my control consoles too. :)
Later on during the season we learn that Centauri moved so quickly during their campaign that they left many recoverable ships for disabled in their drive toward the Narn home world. But nothing could have defended Narn as the Centauri made a full force attack on the planet with most of their forces.
While this was happening, the Centauri were invading. This attack was a trap that used up much of what was supposed to be defending the Narn homeworld.
Combined with their planetary defenses and remaining ships, possibly. At least make the attempt too painful for the Centauri to see through, or hold out long enough for aid/allies to reach them, or get more people and materiel off world to preserve more of their culture and to fight another day. Each heavy cruiser and compliment lost was like us loosing an aircraft carrier battle group...each one lost a dire blow to the Narn's military might and chances of defending the homeworld and inner colonies.
PS> do you mean 7 left at the end of the battle or 7 left before the battle? The Narn Main Fleet (composed of the Golden Armada, the Home Fleet, and several expeditionary flotillas), according to the books, was composed of about 200 capital ships, but no mention of the number of G'Quan's. We can take this a couple ways: 1) G'Guan Heavy Cruisers were MASSIVE things, a third the length of B5, so maybe their numbers weren't that high to begin with, kinda like our aircraft carriers. 2) Because CGI at the time it wasn't as cheap, easy, or quick as today, they couldn't show too many renderings on screen at once, so they did more zoomed/closeup shots at different angles to imply a huge fleet, but avoiding ever to have to show the whole thing...basically each G'Quan on screen represents many others not shown.
im not sure but i recall some Narn dude in some planning meetup mentioned like 12 or 14 Heavy cruisers should be present at that battle. with CGI limitation in this time they just dont show all at once. compared to ~35 omegas defending mars during last civilwar battle for earth thats not too shabby ^^
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Ok, sound of Shadow battleship approaching still givimg me chills after 20 years.
Agreed they look so spider-like. And those screams just added to their terrible image. If encountered in real life I believe a person would shit their pants.
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If you know what's behind the scream it will give you chills even if you're 90.
@@catandthesixxness Did you know that the texture of the Shadow ship hulls is a dogs nose?
Long live the memory of the Narn Main Fleet! Once the feared war machine of the Galaxy, horrifically laid low in a matter of moments. This of course was the Shadows' plan, to pick off one of the great powers, under cover of the aging Centauri fleet.
Divide & Conquer...
Nice work. Babylon 5 was, in some ways, the greatest TV Sci FI series ever.
WHAT DO YOU WANT! YOU MOONFACED ASSASIN OF JOY!
- The wisdom of Londo Mollari.
It is!
Narn Heavy Cruisers are works of art. Probably the most beautiful starship design ever made in sci-fi (IMHO), sleek and stately, like an intermediary step between Earth's lower tech and the Minbari's higher tech. Combination battleship and carrier, its two miles of raw power projection was once feared by all. The tragic fall of the Narn, and their transformation from antagonists to protagonists, is one of the greatest stories in Babylon 5.
I beg to differ.. the Andromeda Ascendant is the most beautiful starship designed by mere humans for visual entertainment
Apparently the Narns deliberately designed their ships to resemble those by older races as part to their power projection philosophy. When you get close up you can see the industrial greeblies that trail the Earth Alliance in capability in between those beautiful hull designs.
@@thepurpleapple Нарны делали свои крейсеры как контрмера крейсерам центавриан, чтобы их превосходить, и 1 на 1 нарнский крейсер способен выиграть бой у центаврианского крейсера.
Tom Smith has just posted a re-work of the original scenes of the Battle of Gorash 7 on his channel in HD and I wanted to compare with your work. And while the original files look amazing in HD, I really love how you enriched the previous material. I LOVE the scouts / fighters of the Shadows behaving like an animal hive mind - sooo cool! Also the Narn ships moving a bit faster and reacting, running away or evading the Shadow maneuveurs were brilliant! Loved the choreography. Keep up the amazing work!
My version(aside from the models & live clips)is all my own work from the ground up. I just copied camera views + added more and brought it up to date a bit. A lot of people don't like what I did with the shadow fighters and that's fine. They're free to re-create the scenes themselves ;)
The part at the end, where they join, happens in the original.
Amazing work. This space battle is what drew me into Babylon 5 back when it first aired. I think it's scale and music make it one of the best space battle in sci-fi history.
Man, you really don't want to piss-off those Shadow Ships...
I wish we could see the whole series again like this. The series is great enough its still easily watchable, but could you imagine babylon 5 in 4k? amazing.
Unlike Trek, at least the producers of B5 THOUGHT AHEAD and and made the show - other than the pilot - so it would easily be able to be updated some day. (Those thoughts never even crossed trek's mind as they just struggled to get the shots done that day & obviously never considered high definition/widescreen. B5 was shot FOR widescreen even though it was broadcast on 4:3 tvs)
Unfortunately, the producer's theory of "the cost of CGI in the future will go down & we'll easily update the graphics & resolution of the CGI" didn't quite work out in reality. 1. The cost relatively speaking, stayed the same as the originals. 2. The original CGI models were thought to be lost to easily re-render it as planned.
HOWEVER, somehow a FAN got a hold of many (not all) of the original CGI models about a year ago & simply re-rendered in 1080 and the results are pretty damn good. (BETTER than the original tv showing but still not quite the model-quality of what audiences are accustomed to nowadays). Unfortunately, the rights holders have no desire to re-render the series (I'd love to buy it on Bluray, but even the DVDs are kind of expensive now) and there doesn't seem to be enough of a demand thus B5 will go down as a footnote in scifi & cgi history but not celebrated with a HD release, even though it is entirely possible now, but the powers that be don't want to put in even that minimal effort (plus the effort to re-model & re-animate the lost footage/models). On the bright side the live action was shot on film so 4k WOULD be possible.. with a LOT of work, even more than remastering TNG - but since that experiment didnt profit as much as paramount had hoped, barring some miracle, I doubt B5 will get the HD treatment, much less 4k.
Most, in fact nearly all the original models were lost. Go and read B5 Scrolls. Don't believe what a 'fan' says. All the models I've used are higher poly count and texture resolution than the originals. Not saying my film's superior to the original, but it is better than the version done with so said 'scene files' , before we have that argument. Also, one of guys whose models' I've used did modelling work for The Lost Tales. But hey this is the internet and everyone's right ;)
Also, this is just my opinion but I remind you I wield the ban hammer.
Babylon 5 is my favorite sci-fi show of all time. Absolutely genius 5 year story arc. Beautiful space scenes, excellent actor performances. Now playing on HBO Max with surprisingly good quality (except for the pilot).
That pilot makes no sense. How do you poison Kosh, unless it was all a ploy...
love the fact, no sound explosion in vacuum of space.
This was absolutely astonishing. Fantastic work.
Thanks!
As the years go by I hear things. I hear about people wishing to reboot the series. I hear about HD remasters. As a fan that watched the original pilot. I would have to say that some things are best left in the time in which they were made. Babylon 5 should remain as it is. A testament to those who worked on it and the message it delivered. I was a teenager when the series was finally launched. It taught me so much about life. And it continues to teach me to this day. All that being said thank you for your work on this video. My favorite new addition to the battle was the swarms of shadow fighters chewing through the Narn warships like paper.
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Agreed, because we all know how great reboots turn out (sarc).
Babylon 5 has lost another member. Mira Furlan "Delenn" I'm sadden by this news.
Indeed, condolences to her family at this sad time.
She was awesome. 😪
That is so sad, she can't have been that old. Very sad indeed, great actress.
The shadow fighter swarm attack was a very nice touch!
Thanks to the specialists for their work, it was so beautiful and nostalgia was very strong. It's a pity that nothing in this universe is being filmed anymore.
Christopher Franke produced some of the best Movie/TV music in the history of the genre. I LOVE his work!
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Your effects are gorgeous, seamless, brilliant.
Glad you liked it!
The Shadows don't miss... they never miss.
WhiteStar: "hold my beer..."
@@Nine-Signs First time a Shadow ship missed the WhiteStar, it was so they could then follow it back to home. Detonating the jump gate deleted that strategy. Why did the Shadow vessel use the jump gate then I wonder?
@@poppasan1873 why use your jump engine if you have a perfectly opened jump gate already opened.
It didn’t. It was just following the White Star. When the White Star exited the Jump Gate back to normal space, the Shadow Vessel phased into normal space using its own unique way of entering and exiting hyperspace, but it did so right beside the Jump Gate, so it was still caught in the explosion when the Jump Gate blew.
That was really cool! - Puts me in the mood to lap that show yet again.
Best ship design, Minbari, Vorlon, Shadows, EA. I like space videogames and movies, but never seen such original ships as in B5.
B 5's Shadows and
Doctor Who's Weeping Angel's the stuff of some really cool nightmares.
Thanks for the memory refresher I had forgotten how creepy the Shadows were when they first appeared
Imagine what the latest version of Unreal Engine could do for this scene.
Imagine what you could do if you recreated this scene
Battle Of Gorash VII? You mean the Slaughter of Gorash VII
That's how it went ... Narn got skooled :(
Don't worry the Narns reschooled them in later seasons along with the alliance Sheridan would form with everyone on Babylon 5!
@@SpacialKatana To be fair, by the standards you have to count on when engaging Shadows, the Narn did extremely well
RIP William Sheppard who played Warleader G'sten
Many of the cast have passed away since B5 aired, which is ridiculously sad.
@@SpacialKatana They seem cursed.
And all he could hear at the end was the sound of his desperately beating heart. X
+SpacialKatana We know, truly tragic given Babylon 5 is one of the best sci-fi shows of all-time.
Narn Cruisers are my favorite Babylon 5 ship, such an interesting design - and best yet, in every battle they’re in we get to see them in cross-section!
I remember being pretty young watching this and expecting a big fight, the utter ass unboxing video the Narns opened in this battle shook my tiny brain to the core!!!
i just watched this eps today. This was really nicely done.
Thanks , it had me bouncing off of the walls when I watched it in the 90's :)
"Pull back, pull back!!"
"it's too late!!!"
Better die trying to fight the unwinnable fight then to succumb to a maelstrom of spatial distortions. Very Narn.
Don't think these vessels ever won an engagement throughout the entire series.
Technically yes.
Ragesh III
Выигрывали, и не раз. Даже крейсер теней уничтожили, спасая белую Звезду.
The Narn didn’t use G’QuanHeavy Cruisers when they attacked Ragesh III.
But at least one G’Quan participated in the bombardment of Centauri Prime in Season 5.
A truly amazing animation of a universe left practically unexplored today. Keep up the great work.
That wasn't a battle.
The Shadow is the 2nd oldest race while the Narn is the youngest race.
It was like clubbing baby seals in a steal cage.
Yep, have a laugh looking at the comments of the ignorant that think the battle was too one sided, when all I did was redo it with some extra bits according to lore. Funny af
Granted the fighter scene is not cannon, but was fun to render.
rofl
@@SpacialKatana re the fighter bombardment... if the guys doing the CGI back then had access to half the power we have on a desk today you can be assured it would have been done :o) Put a big smile on my face to see.
Re the limitations of the day, you gave love to my favorite ship the omega class and I was so happy to see it, but did you know it is actually vastly better armed than was ever shown on screen? I saw an interview with the chap who designed it about 15 years ago, it has a hell of a lot more weapon mounts and fighters mounted in the rotating sections that effectively get thrown out of the ship via rotation on launch plus missile batteries but they could only do so much with what they had to work with. Still amazing regardless. Much thanks for your work.
Very nice. Might want to lighten the scene of the Shadows leaving the scene...you can't see much.
Narn regieme have always defended themselves well and supported the alliance during the shadow war.
A battle implies both sides have a chance. This was a slaughter
The Narn didn't have a clue, this is how it went down. Watch the episode if you doubt me.
The creator of the video speaks the truth. The Narn were completely outgunned and didn't even know who or what The Shadows even were.
Credible. Brillant. Awesome!
I love this scene, the almost total destruction of what was left of the Narn fleet ❤ (remember that the Centauri ❤ had already damaged them enough in previous battles).
Ничего подобного, до этой битвы у Нарна и Центавра было практически равновесие, с небольшим преимуществом центавриан, и как раз эта атака должна была перевесить чашу весов несколько уже в сторону Нарна, но случилось то что случилось. Впрочем флот Нарна не ограничивался только данным флотом, что покажут дальнейшие события уже после капитуляции нарнов.
Very well done. The animation is SICK! Excellent!
This was my first memorable "Oh shit!" moment from when B5 first aired, all those years ago.
Like seriously, how were the good guys going to fight the Shadows? They didn't have a chance.
Great story, engaging characters. The two most essential ingredients for a great show.
They could start by building turrets. :P
G'quan beams do just fine (better than fine!) against the Shadows if and when they can actually get their guns on the target, so they probably ought to have stopped fixed-mounting them and instead put them on huge gimbals.
They did have turreted weapons which we see used in the show, I don't know what the in universe reason was for them only going to to toe with the big guns but I think it just stylistically looked cool and was cheaper to animate this way. B5 was inconsistent with space combat like that sometimes.
Same, I was utterly shocked. I couldn't believe the dreaded Narn, one of the five superpowers of the Galaxy, were utterly wiped out. And the bombing of Narn itself...I was sure at the time only a handful of them survived the apocalypse...that the race was functionally extinct. I was so devastated. And massively impressed, I knew this show was something never seen before, and it was GOOOOOOD. My regular fandom became an obsession...Babylon 5 became the greatest show to me then.
@@LordTelperionYeah! It was such a massive shock to witness first time (and the dozen other times I watched that episode). I know that Narn had ten colony worlds so there were probably decent numbers of them elsewhere (albeit under Centauri occupation) but it is a miracle that there was anything at all left on the Homeworld following that bombardment, let alone it still being inhabitable as shown in season 3.
Great work, screw the critics, this is the most B5 action fans are getting
I love the Narn BattleCrusiers. It's terrible how such powerful ships were destroyed so easily. What a waste. I'd love to see a full battle between them and the centari. No outside interference.
Such an amazing show.
when you piss off a fallen empire in Stellaris
Known fact that Stellaris devs are big B5 fans, and whole fallen empires concept is inspired by Shadows and Vorlon. And main reason we have "War in Heaven" end game scenario, which exactly like Shadow war. With chance to form own league xD It's main reason why i adore that game
holy shit, an HD remake of my fav battle :/
Wow I remember this episode the sound effects are missing but your effects are amazing and makes much better sense they way you used fighters bravo!
omg why have i only just seen this, amazing work!
Somehow the shadow drones make more sense attacking as a swarm instead of those puff-and-shoot style in the series.
puff-and-shoot 🤣
The first time I watched this I did not really like it as it was a little to much like the Ancient drones from Stargate Atlantis, but the more i re-watched the more i started to like the idea, the only issue with it is it utterly breaks the shadows and makes them utterly OP
4 Shadow BattleCrab against a Narn Fleet is just overkill...
This is incredible.
Cool video, I watch it in 2020
When the first shadow cruiser showed up I was thinking this is bad, they're going to struggle. After that the rest appearing felt like nails in a coffin. So unfair, and yet in war, if you're not cheating you're not trying hard enough. Really makes you hate the Centauri though.
Only if you forget the constant provocation and aggression by the Narn before mr Morden came to Londo. Remember, they attacked colonies and were in fact pushing into Centaury space, which was a prime reason why Londo unwittingly accepted the help of the shadows, and even then, he believed the whole thing to be a joke until the Narn outpost was destroyed.
Babylon 5 excellent series
Wonderful to see these scenes in such great quality!
Wow great job.
Shadow battleships have technologies like Ancients and Asgard together in Star gate.
The Asgard and Ancients had shields. Shadows no.
A glimpse at what a remastered Bab-5 would look like. I wish we could get so lucky
Right
Beautiful. Zero criticism.
The only problem I have with this is that the fighter-drones move as if they were in air. That's not how things work in space. A line in a flyby, popping out their own "energy mines/photon torpedoes/antimatter blobs" as they turn in unison would have been much more realistic in terms of physics, which Straczynski insisted on. Even though the first ones had hard-core gravometric drives which could do sharp turns in space, the cannon Shadow drone fighters did not have that much maneuverability. They acted like billion-year advanced starfuries in that regard. Otherwise, I'd put you in charge of a digital remaster of the space battle effects for the best TV show ever made.
Trade off between tedium & time. I don't get paid so ;p
@@SpacialKatana You should get paid; I hope Straczynski can get funding in order to hire you!
this gave me goosebumps to watch. well done
Awesome! Great job
thats what you happens when you don't listen to g'kar
Losing 6-8 Heavy Cruisers:
In Stellaris -> "pffft. It'll take me 6 months to replace"
In WH40K -> "Only 8?! Check the battle report again!"
In Babylon 5 -> "We have no concept of economy when it comes to losing material"
In SG -> "We had 8 heavy cruisers?"
In WH40K, only losing 8 heavy cruisers meant you won the battle.
@@JoeL-yq1iv Or that you fled from it like a good coward
Interesting use of projectile weapons by the shadows... reminiscent of the Ancient drones from Atlantis?
I was thinking the exact same thing.
I believe those were actually fighters
@@chrisdefresne3235 the Wraith did the same thing when they tried to destroy Atlantis.
@@douglasallar9176 Both factions do seem to have thought that fighters were just piloted missiles.
@@chrisdefresne3235 for both it was cheaper, and they have an almost endless supply of troops as well.
Any civilization capable of creating a reactionless drive and manipulating gravity would also have defensive shields
I have no doubt that the Shadows - if they truly wanted to - could use a deflector-shield-tech, but frankly: They don't need to, their ships are hard to destroy as it is and easy to replace! Even the largest Shadow-Ship is a after all an organic-hull that can be grown, some fancy tech and a single living being as the ship's central computer (they did use humans, thought about using telepaths, but Bester and Sheridan stopped that!)
Shadow can slip to realm between real and hyper space...
interesting. shadows took some time to slice up those narn battle cruisers.
those things don't get sliced very easily. apparently its thicker armour must be a factor.
Hardly a battle! The narn never stood a chance!
Even though I have watched this battle many times it wasn’t until now that I realized how many ships the Narn actually had. Totally wiped out, the shadows are awesome. I would really love to see them battle the borg!
The Borg battle would end up the same way as the battle with Species 8472(Before Voyager got involved). They would not be able to handle the energy weapons. The only way I see the Borg getting Shadow technology is if they spread nano probes throughout space in hopes of assimilating the organic hull and CPU.
@@antc1442 I pretty much agree with your analysis. The inability to assimilate would be the boards downfall although they would inflict serious damage on the shadows and probably destroy quite a few vessels. And since what one board knows the others know it wouldn’t take long before the board with retreat. What an interesting battle though!
@@cousinjuno Given how the shadows were able to plant crazy advanced mind machine interfaces in the ship cores, I suspect they would be able to fully reverse or even supersede borg assimilation technology.
@@admthrawnuru you may well be right. Also the fact that there seem to be some sort of psychic ability or effect that comes along with some other attacks might totally disrupt the Borg unity. Races with any telepathic powers at all might simply devastate the board without actually having to fire a shot. I didn’t actually observe Any mental attack by the shadows but I would not be surprised if they had the capability to disrupt the board hive mind!
Narns were the whipping boys of Babylon 5.
if it were not for the shadows their is no way the centari could have defeated the narns.
@@supersaiyaman11589 Politely disagree. The Narns were going to lose, only a question of how soon. The Shadow ambush at Gorash 7 sped up their downfall. It was an awesome episode.
@@elfhighmage8240 well the narms had a strong military before the shadows arrived and meddled in things.
How did shadow fighters gain the ability of ancient drones from Stargate? XD
The shadow vessels were blaring Beastie Boys, duh... I don't know. Just thinking of how dumb those Star Trek movies were
1. They were fighter drones but limited use unlike SG's where a single one can take out a fleet.
2. If the show creators back in the early to mid 90's had the power available to them back then that we have today, you can be assured drones would have featured. As it stands the CGI they achieved on f all budget with limited processing power was remarkable.
3. When I saw them here I was grinning.
@@Nine-Signs They are Fighters, Spitfire was their name to be precise. They had Guns, they were not used as the Ancients Drones from Star Gate
This was amazing! thank you
This is AMAZING!!!!
The Narn really need to put some points into energy shielding.
It wouldn't help.
None o the youger races seemed to have energy shielding in B5, buy yeah, Shadows would have rinsed through it anyway.
Why didn’t half the warships share jump points on the way in? That way the other half of them could have their engines already charged in case they need to make a hasty exit.
Wrong man to ask, I just re-rendered and added to the original scene. Try tweeting JMS ;)
My understanding, from something JMS said at a con long ago, is that capital ships can't create jump points large enough to accommodate multiple capital ships, just the small escorts. They just don't have the energy capability. But, that is also just a decision made by the writers.
Better question is why didn't the Shadows need jump gates? They just phased in and out.
@@poppasan1873 The Shadows believe in evolution through conflict. Technology rapidly advances during wars, far more so than in peacetime. The Vorlons wanted stuff to be stable and frozen in-place, hence still using conventional jump points and even jump gates. It’s understandable that Shadow tech outpaced Vorlon tech.
Though it’s also fair to suggest the Vorlons have a bigger fleet from not engaging other enemies. Especially since the Vorlons used younger races like the Minbari as proxies in the past.
@@poppasan1873 You kind of answered your own question. The shadows don't need jumpgates because they just phase in and out of hyperspace. Everything about the Vorlons and the Shadows is in opposition. Vorlons share there knowledge to a degree, which is why the younger races use jumpgates and jumppoints rather than Shadow phasing tech.
IMHO that has been done better than the original. Well done!
Thank you!
It would have been nice to to see the Shadows crap ticked, just for surprise effect. The Narns should have sent a "dummy" force in first, to see if anything strange happened. Not just because it's an important battle, but to "degrade" the element of surprise. It would, of course, partially ruin the plot advancement, partially. An attack, at close range - with hundreds of ship equivalent energy beams would really teach them a really big lesson. And they need to be taught a big lesson, too. Just because.
I feel the shadow would be able to estimate where the main battle group is in hyperspace and phase in and ambush them there.
Epic. Really good work.
Very nice editing, I wish the show could have afforded more CGI time. I enjoyed your extended version. Thumbs up.
Thank you very much!
It was still the young days of CGI, so it's nice seeing what someone can do with modern hardware
@Mike It wasn't due to a lack of time as such, it was due to the technological limitations of the time, what they achieved back then was actually beyond ground breaking. No one had ever done a heavily CGI laden scifi show before and even high budget movies were still mostly reliant on model work when B5 began.
@@Nine-Signs :) Yes, I know. B5 was revolutionary and I know about the Amiga 2000 rendering farm.
The question relates to their creative impetus and what if they had had our current means. Even with a Cray computer they wouldn't have matched us for production output. Stories, ahhhh, stories are another matter.
I enjoy B5's effects on their own merit. I grew up learning not to see the strings attached to marionettes so B5 has no problem even today providing suspension of disbelief.
I don't wish for a reboot. The timeline hasn't been exhausted. If a new movie was done I would like to see from first contact with the Centauri up to the Dilgar war. This leaves out the Mimbari, I don't know how fans would take this but if it had the proper production resources, maybe.
The old dilemma, small budget but no executive hounding you with potential merchandising or full budget and the producers pitching in format with soft gloves and no controversial subjects.
Wonderful. I certainly couldn't have made it(im a modeler). I can't imagine the time it must have taken to render. There is some minor things like the editing and the shadow Fighters acting like droneships from star trek Beyond that may be stretching it a bit. But otherwise cool.
I prefer the orignal battle scene, but this one is awesome too.
It's a remake with extra bits.
If I had a complaint with the video it would be how the Shadow fighters attacked like a swarm.
They acted more like the ancient drones from stargate.
@@zzing I came here to say just that
@@Olordrin me to
have to admit, nice Shadow phase in
ah yes first comment.
you are really good creating space battles :D
First comment? What are you smoking bud...
Wasn't a Battle at all....More like a one sided massacre.
Well the narn died well like warriors.
You want to see the Narn die like warriors... watch 'Severed Dreams' as they help defend B5 against the EarthForce Marines that board the station. Jeez... it's like watching flies throw themselves into a fire. Between that and G'kar's iconic 'we will be free speech, it's no wonder the Narn would eventually break free and rise up again.
First, wow. Second, amazing looking. Third, a shame we don't have more Narn ships. So that would could have proper looking fleets.
There are lot more ship classes in the cannon, but they didn't make it into the show. They just stuck with this cruiser and the assault ship.
@@rcgunner7086 If there are ships in the cannon - Don't fire the cannon!
@@stvdagger8074 Yeah, that could be a bit of a problem.
Well made awesome .
Cheers!
Wonderful work, after seeing the original many many years ago, i thank you for sending shivers down my spine again watching this renewal. The added scenes are very well done! Is there a chance on adding HD Narn bridge scenes, now that B5 has been rebooted in HD on HBO?
I wouldn't touch anything that's been on HBO with a barge pole 🤣
HBO is hosting B5 reboot?
To state the bleeding obvious that didn't go too well. That was one major ass whooping...
EXCELLENT!!! Now more MORE MORE!!!
The work was great. If you make a V2, try and find a couple of sounds of the Shadows instead of the same one over and over. This is like when the lightsabers came out with sound boards and we were all like clash clash woohooo...then we got bored and said can you vary the clash font sound? Not a criticism...more like a beta test thought.
Thanks, but it took 3 weeks of my life so there won't be a V2....I'll gather my strength to remake another of the iconic battles, probably next year.
The Narn Regime was always a bit of a paper tiger. Lots of bluster and bluff in Season 1, but when push came to shove they were the weakest of the big 5 Babylon Council races.
There is a parallel between the Narn and the humans. Both suffered significant military psychological trauma at the hands of an older, far more advanced race (for the Narn it was the Centauri, for the humans it was the Minbari) Both spent the next few decades feverishly building up their defence forces and searching for more advanced technology. Both THOUGHT (or at least outwardly claimed) that they had finally achieved parity with their former foes. Both were wrong.
B5 "The Best"
The injured shadow ship being towed away looked hokey but everything else looks good
I had difficulty hearing the dialog over the music. Otherwise, the graphics are well done.
Anyone ever wonder why the Narn ship designs were more than a bit similar to the Whitestars?
Or vice versa, Imitation is considered a compliment. The Mimbari don't discriminate...technically.
Huh? They don’t look anything like White Stars.
It's almost like they were designed by the same bunch of artists or something...
Great job.
Cheers ;)
Not really a battle more like a massacre.
Interesting how a C&C room on Narn capital ships is tiny compared to those on EA and Minbari ships.
The Narn ships didn't have artificial gravity, apparently
The Narn and the Earth Alliance were supposedly on the same technology level. The main guns on Earth's Omega class destroyers were purchased from the Narn and then adapted to service about Earth Vessels.
Reminds me of the cockpit of the Cylon Raiders in the original BSG
@@dirdib69 it's never stated in the show whether they did or did not. We can however imply since Narn tech is comparable to the Centauri's, who do have gravimetric tech confirmed in show, they do as well. The design of the Narn heavy cruiser, such as its arrangement of the windows, similar silhouette to Centauri cruisers, etc., is additional evidence they have artificial grav too. The idea the Narn did *not* have artificial gravity was an invention of internet forums (a hotly debated topic back in the day) that got stuck in the public consciousness...born out of the seatbelts Warleader G'Sten and the bridge crew are wearing and a desire to tout the EA as technologically superior (Earth First!)...but hell, if I'm going into a space battle I'd want to be strapped to my control consoles too. :)
@1:51 What happens when the Wraith develop Lantean drones...
Had a similar thought at that point. "Why the hell are the Shadows' fighters acting like Lantean drones?!"
So did the Narn only had 7 G'quans left? If some of them survived, would that be enough to defend their homeworld?
Later on during the season we learn that Centauri moved so quickly during their campaign that they left many recoverable ships for disabled in their drive toward the Narn home world. But nothing could have defended Narn as the Centauri made a full force attack on the planet with most of their forces.
While this was happening, the Centauri were invading. This attack was a trap that used up much of what was supposed to be defending the Narn homeworld.
Combined with their planetary defenses and remaining ships, possibly. At least make the attempt too painful for the Centauri to see through, or hold out long enough for aid/allies to reach them, or get more people and materiel off world to preserve more of their culture and to fight another day. Each heavy cruiser and compliment lost was like us loosing an aircraft carrier battle group...each one lost a dire blow to the Narn's military might and chances of defending the homeworld and inner colonies.
PS> do you mean 7 left at the end of the battle or 7 left before the battle? The Narn Main Fleet (composed of the Golden Armada, the Home Fleet, and several expeditionary flotillas), according to the books, was composed of about 200 capital ships, but no mention of the number of G'Quan's. We can take this a couple ways: 1) G'Guan Heavy Cruisers were MASSIVE things, a third the length of B5, so maybe their numbers weren't that high to begin with, kinda like our aircraft carriers. 2) Because CGI at the time it wasn't as cheap, easy, or quick as today, they couldn't show too many renderings on screen at once, so they did more zoomed/closeup shots at different angles to imply a huge fleet, but avoiding ever to have to show the whole thing...basically each G'Quan on screen represents many others not shown.
im not sure but i recall some Narn dude in some planning meetup mentioned like 12 or 14 Heavy cruisers should be present at that battle. with CGI limitation in this time they just dont show all at once.
compared to ~35 omegas defending mars during last civilwar battle for earth thats not too shabby ^^