I love it. They all jump in in their own unique way, and waste no time immediately opening a can of whoop-ass on the planet killer. I like to imagine that planet killers offended them.
It set the standard for others to follow. The Battle of the Union and Krill vs.The Kaylon from the 2018 episode Identity from The Orville looked like it was influenced by Babylon 5.
So many great moments here. My top three: The Vree just swooping in and tearing up a bunch of Vorlon fighters and even an actual, whole Shadow Battle Crab. Those saucers are stronger than they look! The Thunderbolts (new EA fighters) and Minbari craft coordinating in a joint formation. Theirs is the only fighter group not to take losses in that battle, too. The First Ones all warping out of hyperspace in a joint "surprise mother f'ers!" moment, and wasting no time opening a can of whoop ass on the planet killer. They took that monster of a ship out in ten seconds flat. I like to imagine that planet killers offended them deeply.
The "Triad" Hyper-Plasma Cutter. The "Thought Force" Ultra Pulse Cannons. Firstones' weapons are extremely powerful. That Vorlon planet killer was destroyed in 9 seconds. Cool fact is the walker's Sigma ship uses its communication array as a weapon. It's the ship with the pretty lights and 'Rainbow lightning'. I've noticed the 'Dark Knife' ship didn't get much screen time. Just 4 seconds! :(
You forgot the Kirshiac Lordship. Thats the is-that-a-hollowed-out-core-of-a-planet spaceship surrounded by orbiting segments. I forget if their main weapon is gamma or graviton radiation. We had a discussion about it on facebook and a some people suggested since the Kirishiac are supposed to be masters of gravity that their ship might be a hollowed out neutron star
I wonder if the telepath Jason Ironheat whom basically mutated into a Protoss Archon and took-off ever met or interacted with Lorien or was ever at his level.... !!
According to JMS, that combined fighter group was the only fighter group to suffer no losses in the entire battle. Great example of combined arms tactic.
"We will wait for you...." That line brought us to the greatest mystery of the series. I hope in the remake we will find out. Since a majority of here already seen the series. I'm talking about Sheridan final scene.
@@gatedude07 @gatedude07 quite possible. Considering if they are able to advance his mind. If you recall there was that telepath that manage to become energy (Jason Ironheart) he mentioned that in a million years he will see them again. So another words if they cast out his physical limitations then he will still live like you stated as an ascendant one.
What Sheridan said in the show before 1:28 - "Good Morning, gentlemen. Here's your wake up call." Loved it. They should have brought that line into other shows.
Cpt. Sheridan: "My dad once told me, ""If you're falling off a cliff, you might as well flap your arms. You've got nothing to lose."" i love this show!!! i THINK i even got the punctuation right. Maybe.
The battle was pure chaos. Every which way to looked there was something going on. The variety of ships, weapons and, even, styles of fighting. Beautiful!!!
When the Vorlons showed up and engaged in hostile action against the Army of Light (Sheridan's forces), it felt like God himself had turned against creation and brought me sadness as well as a sense of betrayal as I trusted the Vorlons.
Same. All this time I thought the Vorlons, while likely hiding something, meant well for the other races. But only later do we realize that Kosh was an exception among them. When the show revealed the Vorlons had obliterated an entire planet I was shocked. I couldn't stop thinking about it after watching the episode.
I mean, if you really dig into the Bible...you find that God and Jesus are very much the Villains. Murder, torture, rape, slavery...all condoned against "unbelievers". God even murders the entire world at one point to cover-up his OWN mistake. Jesus never actually preaches loving others, but in loving him and god above all else, at the expense of all else. All of the old testament laws are still in FULL effect, even with all their draconian punishments (like...the death penalty for mouthing off to your parents...remember that). This is pretty much how it goes down. Aside from the fact that, outside of Revelations, the "devil" is never once evil or selfish. Never lies, never harms anyone, and sometimes goes out of their way to help people. In Revelations...everyone is the bad-guy. Like...that whole shtick is just fucked up...I don't know WHY anyone thinks anything about that is well-done, even for its time period.
@@brummyuk2151 I'm not sure Vorlon ships are superior. Shadow vessel weapons were designed specifically to penetrate Vorlon shields, like they've been in an arms race for billions of years. Even if you're right and Vorlon ship were more advanced, the Shadows had WAY more ships in their galactic fleet, I mean like millions of times as many as the Vorlons and First Ones had. The Vorlons could never have defeated the Shadows in a total war, no one could.
Vorlon ships seem more powerful one to one than Shadow ships, but this could be a result of a different design philosophy and not an indication of having superior technology, with the Vorlons deciding to build a smaller number of powerful juggernauts, while the Shadows distribute their firepower over a larger number of less powerful but likely less costly to build ships. When the two fleets were closing in on each other, notice that the Shadows started firing first. This could be an indication that their weapons range and/or ability to track targets at a distance is slightly superior. The Shadows’ method of entering Hyperspace is also faster and more sophisticated, and less vulnerable to disruption than the jump points the Vorlons still use. Finally, while the Vorlon Planet Killer is more powerful, being able to vaporize an entire planet, while the Deathcloud only sterilizes a planetary crust, the Deathcloud is a more versatile weapon that can do many more things. And as we learn in A Call to Arms, it is also a planet sized megastructure capable of changing form at will. All in all it is a more impressive feat of engineering and demonstration of technological prowess than the Planet Killer, which is just a giant ship with a giant gun and very thick armor. These and other hints in the series suggest that the Shadows are ever so slightly more technologically advanced than the Vorlons.
@@adamwu4565 Thank you for this very well written post. That was very informative to read. A small addition I wanted to make. The Shadows needed to wage war against all the younger races across the galaxy; this likely was an important factor in creating less powerful ships and mass-produce them instead.
Yes there is 'bad blood' between the Walkers and the Vorlons. In the quasi-canon B5 wars, the Vorlons were bitter that the Walkers wouldn't share their hyperspace tech. So they launched a planet at one of the Walkers "database" worlds and obliterated it while they were off scouting the multiverse. This was forgiven during the Great Shadow War. But then eons later the Vorlons wanted to build a gateway to "heaven" and the Walkers warned them not to do it; they did it anyway and the Harbingers flooded into the Milky Way and that was the Thirdspace War. That was the last time the Walkers and Vorlons communicated.
@@opvjg i kinda think the first ones especially the walkers think they are above outher races and that is ego at its finest. they think that they don't have to get involved in anything that concerns the universe or a lot of species being wiped out.
Sheridan should have said: “Before you all get the hell,out of galaxy...can we go to your home worlds and loot the advantaged technology you’ve left behind?”
Vorlon Representative: NO! You are not ready for our technology! You must earn the right to obtain and use it in 1 million Earth years once you have reached our physical and mental level of development! Shadow Representative: Besides, you would not know how to use it and would destroy yourselves trying to figure out how it works. You must evolve and grow on your own.
Sheridan: “Up yours. I can totally achieve the equivalent of first one technology within 200 years in Stelllaris.” Vorlon; “What you can do in an old videogame is irrelevant.” Shadow: “Besides, I can do that in 100 years without a single mod. Amateur.” Vorlon: “What?” Shadow: “What?”
The Vorlons did tell them no. And left their defenses on. Unfortunately the Shadows gave their tech to the Drakh. Took several years and a plague to deal with that one
It always seemed weird to me that First One ships really aren’t that much more powerful, or resistant to getting destroyed, than those of the Younger Races. Also, that the Vorlons, despite their fixation with order, didn’t sneak system overrides into the White Stars.
Half the Universe teaming up against the Shadows and they still couldn't win outright. The Shadows didn't even need to call on their own allies to support them, they were capable enough to slug it out into an easy stalemate at Coriana on own steam.
I remember it like yesterday. The shaows, the vorlon, the first ones, all the new races (narn, mimbari, etc) the ateriods with nukes! ah and humans. that was a nightmare of a battle.
The Vree, unlike all other younger species, has mastery over antimatter weapons. The shredder weapon is antimatter based and quite effective against Shadow vessels.
I counted several Vorlon fighters, maybe a destroyer, and most surprising of all an entire Shadow Battle Crab. Up to that point we've only seen them open up on fighters, but this showed us what they really can do.
It’s still kinda funny to me that the Earth Alliance citizens had no idea they missed the most significant war in history until well after it was over.
ISN isn't exactly telling the truth these days. President Clark wouldn't want humans knowing about the Shadows anyway since he hypocritically used them to gain power while condemning alien influence on humanity.
The Walkers are the most technologically advanced of the First Ones. I heard somewhere that the Walkers of Sigma-957 don't even have weapons just sensors and those sensors literally tore the Vorlon Planet Killer to shreds! So apart from the 3rd space aliens I'm not sure any race in the Babylon universe could touch them, and my guess is that they would give the 3rd space aliens one hell of a challenge if they decided to turn from science to military.
@@magicmulder Fleet actions are always going to be hard to portray well on TV or film. I always liked "Tora! Tora! Tora!" for this reason, but Pearl Harbor was very straightforward compared to any other WWII naval battle.
Because the Thirdspace Aliens use that other Dimension. Plus the Vorlons operate a bit like the Reapers from Mass Effect, they left Primitive Jumpgates all over the Galaxy to nudge other Races along their preferred Technological Path. We see in the Shadows and other First One Races that there are many ways to Travel between the Stars, both via Hyperspace and other Methods.
@@SashaCIXXVIII It is more to do with a grand strategic aim. The Vorlons and Shadows both were holding back a lot. The Ships they were using were mostly older models with far more limited tech. As they viewed the younger races as primitive children. The Shadows leaving Ships all over the place, was not just caches for Asymmetrical Warfare, they were left as gifts/tests for younger Races. See how much they could learn and mimic or surpass, see if they noticed the traps in them etc. Vorlons though did not like gifting tech in the same way. The White Stars were very carefully controlled release of Tech to a select subfaction of Minbari. Vorlon Hyperspace Vortex Tech was what they wanted others to learn as a baseline, but they did not share the higher technologies of that same tech path. Hyperspace is more easily transitioned the higher your tech level, but as the best at vortexes, the Vorlons could mo itor everyone in Hyperspace bar the Shadows who used Hyperspace Phasing instead of Vortexes.
This conflict never made any sense to me, Why would you stop them fighting each other? Let them wear each other down then come in, that would have saved thousands of lives of the ships crew that died to first one weapons.
A few reasons probably. For one Coriana 6 would have been destroyed, which would mean the death of billions. And with the planet destroyed there's no guarentee the Vorlons would have stayed. Their goal would have been achieved. They might well have believed the Shadows were just there to protect their investment. (Now I do believe the Shadows no longer had a base there, as they probably wouldn't have believed Sheridan's ruse of the Alliance setting up a base there to lure the Shadows to Coriana 6 if the Shadows had a base there themselves that could tell them it was not true. ) A second reason would be that the Vorlons and the Shadows needed to be shown that the younger races had banded together and rejected both their view points. Having the younger races just stand by and watch the grown ups fight would not have made the point that needed to be made; that the younger races were fed up and didn't need them anymore. A third reason could well be the fact that the Vorlons did not have their entire fleet there. The fleet at Centauri Prime was one fleet that could have come in later as well and do considerable damage should the First fleet have gotten into a stalemate with the Shadows. And it's likely the Shadows had other fleets out there as well.
You missed the key point, both ancients were destroying planets as they fought each other. You would not likely be alive to benefit from their mutual attrition.
@@annoyed707 Yes but at the battle of Corianas 6 they were killing each other, those were two very large fleets that they could have let fight it out and then mopped up.
@@deanooooooo6496 Then you'll have another war in a thousand years. This isn't a conflict that ends with fleets and battles, but with demonstrating independence from the older species and the wisdom to find their own path.
They didn’t want to stay anyway, they just wanted to give the Vorlons a good slap then watch the two sides argue like a married couple for entertainment.
I'm seeing " epic" overused. Kind of like " amazing" was, and if everything is amazing, then nothing is. Those adjectives should be superlatives, not for ordinary use.
It's what I loved about the series. Both sides had similar long range goals. Neither was truly good or evil, though it was easy to see them that way given human perspectives.
when First Ones appear, it`s another level of epicness
I love it. They all jump in in their own unique way, and waste no time immediately opening a can of whoop-ass on the planet killer.
I like to imagine that planet killers offended them.
Never make your elders mad man they might come back and bite you
@@grimmrefertheJediNo. Not bite you. TEACH YOU A LESSON!!!!
Участие Первых впечатляет по мощи и причастности
I pissed myself when this aired live. I thought to myself wow were really gonna do this battle? I was not disappointed.
One of those space battles from sci-fi that doesn't disappoint no matter how old it gets.
It set the standard for others to follow. The Battle of the Union and Krill vs.The Kaylon from the 2018 episode Identity from The Orville looked like it was influenced by Babylon 5.
So many great moments here. My top three:
The Vree just swooping in and tearing up a bunch of Vorlon fighters and even an actual, whole Shadow Battle Crab. Those saucers are stronger than they look!
The Thunderbolts (new EA fighters) and Minbari craft coordinating in a joint formation. Theirs is the only fighter group not to take losses in that battle, too.
The First Ones all warping out of hyperspace in a joint "surprise mother f'ers!" moment, and wasting no time opening a can of whoop ass on the planet killer. They took that monster of a ship out in ten seconds flat. I like to imagine that planet killers offended them deeply.
The "Triad" Hyper-Plasma Cutter. The "Thought Force" Ultra Pulse Cannons. Firstones' weapons are extremely powerful. That Vorlon planet killer was destroyed in 9 seconds. Cool fact is the walker's Sigma ship uses its communication array as a weapon. It's the ship with the pretty lights and 'Rainbow lightning'.
I've noticed the 'Dark Knife' ship didn't get much screen time. Just 4 seconds! :(
For the longest time, I thought the Dark Knife was just another Sharlin that happened to be close by. Definitely the least flashy of the designs.
Well the Dark Knife is a hyper-advanced stealth ship so I think It is working as intended...
Dark Knife is a Torvalus (plankton race) ship
You forgot the Kirshiac Lordship. Thats the is-that-a-hollowed-out-core-of-a-planet spaceship surrounded by orbiting segments. I forget if their main weapon is gamma or graviton radiation. We had a discussion about it on facebook and a some people suggested since the Kirishiac are supposed to be masters of gravity that their ship might be a hollowed out neutron star
@@brianwhedon8442 That's amazing. The armor should ultra dense too. Interesting.
Lorien doesn't actually need a spaceship to travel the cosmos. He just turns into a ball of energy.
I taught him that. ;D
I wonder if the telepath Jason Ironheat whom basically mutated into a Protoss Archon and took-off ever met or interacted with Lorien or was ever at his level.... !!
Which is confusing since humans in future does that as well.
Watching Minbari Nials and EA Thunderbolts coordinating together is a sight to see.
Like IRL when Mig-29s and F-15s fly together in joint operations.
According to JMS, that combined fighter group was the only fighter group to suffer no losses in the entire battle. Great example of combined arms tactic.
1:28 *"Hey, this Sheridan guy used to mine asteroids as a trap against superior forces. Do you all think we should ch-?"*
Getting to see the chaos from a Starfury or Thunderbolt pilots cockpit just makes me shiver. The sheer chaos.
Can you imagine how it would have looked to some astronomer from that planet who just so happened to be looking through a telescope then?
"We will wait for you...."
That line brought us to the greatest mystery of the series.
I hope in the remake we will find out. Since a majority of here already seen the series. I'm talking about Sheridan final scene.
I'm convinced Lorien "ascended" him.
Makes me wonder if in the distant future the now-First-Ones-level humanity will ever meet Sheridan.
@@gatedude07 @gatedude07 quite possible. Considering if they are able to advance his mind. If you recall there was that telepath that manage to become energy (Jason Ironheart) he mentioned that in a million years he will see them again. So another words if they cast out his physical limitations then he will still live like you stated as an ascendant one.
During the Shadow War battles, I could never get used to seeing Minbari battleships getting sliced open, by the Shadow weapons, like sardine cans.
So powerful vs earth ships nigh indestructible to be gutted right before your eyes.
@@MrNintoku but always on screen it was gutted by two shadow battlecruiser.......a testament of respects perhaps..
Do Brakiri ever shoot?
Just remember folks... "When Elephants fight, its the grass that suffers..."
They lost multiple Whitestars just in the opening against he Vorlon outpost - it's amazing the fleet lasted as long as it did.
Easily the greatest battle scene in Sci fi ! 🛸
If only they had the budget to animate more of it.
@@darwinxavier3516
It looks really good in 4k.
What Sheridan said in the show before 1:28 - "Good Morning, gentlemen. Here's your wake up call." Loved it. They should have brought that line into other shows.
"Captain, they're PISSED!"
Cpt. Sheridan: "My dad once told me, ""If you're falling off a cliff, you might as well flap your arms. You've got nothing to lose."" i love this show!!!
i THINK i even got the punctuation right. Maybe.
The arrival of the Vorlons and other First Ones is when the collective Shadow pants sharding began.
The battle was pure chaos. Every which way to looked there was something going on. The variety of ships, weapons and, even, styles of fighting. Beautiful!!!
When the Vorlons showed up and engaged in hostile action against the Army of Light (Sheridan's forces), it felt like God himself had turned against creation and brought me sadness as well as a sense of betrayal as I trusted the Vorlons.
That's what you get for betrayal...
Disobedient!
@@RusakovLA up yours!
Same. All this time I thought the Vorlons, while likely hiding something, meant well for the other races. But only later do we realize that Kosh was an exception among them. When the show revealed the Vorlons had obliterated an entire planet I was shocked. I couldn't stop thinking about it after watching the episode.
I mean, if you really dig into the Bible...you find that God and Jesus are very much the Villains. Murder, torture, rape, slavery...all condoned against "unbelievers". God even murders the entire world at one point to cover-up his OWN mistake. Jesus never actually preaches loving others, but in loving him and god above all else, at the expense of all else. All of the old testament laws are still in FULL effect, even with all their draconian punishments (like...the death penalty for mouthing off to your parents...remember that).
This is pretty much how it goes down. Aside from the fact that, outside of Revelations, the "devil" is never once evil or selfish. Never lies, never harms anyone, and sometimes goes out of their way to help people. In Revelations...everyone is the bad-guy. Like...that whole shtick is just fucked up...I don't know WHY anyone thinks anything about that is well-done, even for its time period.
I like how the Shadows are dead serious in this battle. 1:45 gave me chills the first time I watched it.
It's an "Oh fuck" moment.
@@brummyuk2151 I'm not sure Vorlon ships are superior. Shadow vessel weapons were designed specifically to penetrate Vorlon shields, like they've been in an arms race for billions of years. Even if you're right and Vorlon ship were more advanced, the Shadows had WAY more ships in their galactic fleet, I mean like millions of times as many as the Vorlons and First Ones had. The Vorlons could never have defeated the Shadows in a total war, no one could.
me too! And this Shadow Death Cloud!
Vorlon ships seem more powerful one to one than Shadow ships, but this could be a result of a different design philosophy and not an indication of having superior technology, with the Vorlons deciding to build a smaller number of powerful juggernauts, while the Shadows distribute their firepower over a larger number of less powerful but likely less costly to build ships.
When the two fleets were closing in on each other, notice that the Shadows started firing first. This could be an indication that their weapons range and/or ability to track targets at a distance is slightly superior. The Shadows’ method of entering Hyperspace is also faster and more sophisticated, and less vulnerable to disruption than the jump points the Vorlons still use. Finally, while the Vorlon Planet Killer is more powerful, being able to vaporize an entire planet, while the Deathcloud only sterilizes a planetary crust, the Deathcloud is a more versatile weapon that can do many more things. And as we learn in A Call to Arms, it is also a planet sized megastructure capable of changing form at will. All in all it is a more impressive feat of engineering and demonstration of technological prowess than the Planet Killer, which is just a giant ship with a giant gun and very thick armor.
These and other hints in the series suggest that the Shadows are ever so slightly more technologically advanced than the Vorlons.
@@adamwu4565 Thank you for this very well written post. That was very informative to read. A small addition I wanted to make. The Shadows needed to wage war against all the younger races across the galaxy; this likely was an important factor in creating less powerful ships and mass-produce them instead.
Ох ! Шикарный сериал, жаль больше такие не снимают( Как давно это было, ждал выход каждой серии с нетерпением!
They'd never admit it but you know the Walkers enjoyed destroying that Planet Killer.
Well they did owe them money😄
The Walkers weren't going to get involved until Ivanova told them the Vorlons said they were cowards and would run from any fight
Marty McFly: Nobody - calls me - chicken.
Yes there is 'bad blood' between the Walkers and the Vorlons.
In the quasi-canon B5 wars, the Vorlons were bitter that the Walkers wouldn't share their hyperspace tech.
So they launched a planet at one of the Walkers "database" worlds and obliterated it while they were off scouting the multiverse.
This was forgiven during the Great Shadow War.
But then eons later the Vorlons wanted to build a gateway to "heaven" and the Walkers warned them not to do it; they did it anyway and the Harbingers flooded into the Milky Way and that was the Thirdspace War.
That was the last time the Walkers and Vorlons communicated.
@@opvjg i kinda think the first ones especially the walkers think they are above outher races and that is ego at its finest. they think that they don't have to get involved in anything that concerns the universe or a lot of species being wiped out.
We will wait for you no matter how long it takes
That Vree Saucer is badass.
2:20 Man, if those Thunderbolt pilots survive the battle, do they have a story to tell.
According to JMS, they did lol
Sheridan should have said: “Before you all get the hell,out of galaxy...can we go to your home worlds and loot the advantaged technology you’ve left behind?”
Vorlon Representative: NO! You are not ready for our technology! You must earn the right to obtain and use it in 1 million Earth years once you have reached our physical and mental level of development!
Shadow Representative: Besides, you would not know how to use it and would destroy yourselves trying to figure out how it works. You must evolve and grow on your own.
@@girlgarde To which Sheridan should have countered: Whatever, we’re going anyway!
Sheridan: “Up yours. I can totally achieve the equivalent of first one technology within 200 years in Stelllaris.”
Vorlon; “What you can do in an old videogame is irrelevant.”
Shadow: “Besides, I can do that in 100 years without a single mod. Amateur.”
Vorlon: “What?”
Shadow: “What?”
The Vorlons did tell them no. And left their defenses on. Unfortunately the Shadows gave their tech to the Drakh. Took several years and a plague to deal with that one
I could have used about another straight hour of the First Ones battling.
I find it both interesting and quite amusing how the First 1's jumped into that free-for-all to only get a piece of the Vorlons and no one else.
Morning gentlemen. This is your wake up call.
*I ❤️ BABYLON 5!!!!!*
It always seemed weird to me that First One ships really aren’t that much more powerful, or resistant to getting destroyed, than those of the Younger Races. Also, that the Vorlons, despite their fixation with order, didn’t sneak system overrides into the White Stars.
Best Sci Fi Show EVER! "We Will Wait For You"...
Can’t we all just get along
Nope.
The French cavalry vessel came out just in time to even out the score against the Vorlon planet killer 2:42
Half the Universe teaming up against the Shadows and they still couldn't win outright. The Shadows didn't even need to call on their own allies to support them, they were capable enough to slug it out into an easy stalemate at Coriana on own steam.
2:04 if you squint it almost looks like one of those big useless green sunfish actually took a shot for once 🥃
In expanded materials it reveals that they use gravity weapons, which aren't visible. So they are shooting, we just can't see it.
Imagine surviving that battle.
You just know the Starfury and Thunderbolt pilots were thinking, “and no one will ever believe me…”
Imagine what the people living on Coriana VI thought when they were looking up into the sky.
They were probably thinking: What is going on up there?
Others probably looked through a telescope and looked and probably though: Oh Crap!
Biggest “Bruh” moment in Vorlon history.
I remember it like yesterday. The shaows, the vorlon, the first ones, all the new races (narn, mimbari, etc) the ateriods with nukes! ah and humans. that was a nightmare of a battle.
Pilot: Rules of engagement? Commander: Fire at everything!
I was shocked to see that a V'ree disk took out a Vorlon ship.
The Vree, unlike all other younger species, has mastery over antimatter weapons. The shredder weapon is antimatter based and quite effective against Shadow vessels.
I counted several Vorlon fighters, maybe a destroyer, and most surprising of all an entire Shadow Battle Crab. Up to that point we've only seen them open up on fighters, but this showed us what they really can do.
It’s still kinda funny to me that the Earth Alliance citizens had no idea they missed the most significant war in history until well after it was over.
ISN isn't exactly telling the truth these days. President Clark wouldn't want humans knowing about the Shadows anyway since he hypocritically used them to gain power while condemning alien influence on humanity.
When the Alliance of Free Stars face both The Koh-ra and the Kzer-za, and on the verge of defeat the Sentient Melieu comes to the rescue.
Star Control reference.
Is that....a doom door opening sound at 2:13?
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Классная подборка! Спасибо и Лайк.
The Walkers are the most technologically advanced of the First Ones. I heard somewhere that the Walkers of Sigma-957 don't even have weapons just sensors and those sensors literally tore the Vorlon Planet Killer to shreds! So apart from the 3rd space aliens I'm not sure any race in the Babylon universe could touch them, and my guess is that they would give the 3rd space aliens one hell of a challenge if they decided to turn from science to military.
Look closely you see a vorlon dreadnought being taken out by shadows
Which race do those saucer ships belong to?
The Vree.
Corianna still working on sublight englines watching this battle on their version of starlink.
Never understood why they always cluster their ships so close together. If you miss one you most likely hit another
Looks better on screen. That's all.
@@magicmulder Fleet actions are always going to be hard to portray well on TV or film. I always liked "Tora! Tora! Tora!" for this reason, but Pearl Harbor was very straightforward compared to any other WWII naval battle.
@@magicmulder Yeah, JMS did that so people could follow along. Objects in frame are further apart than they appear.
Мне одно не понятно: почему Ворлонцы, открывшие портал в другое измерение, пользуются воротами для прыжка?
Because the Thirdspace Aliens use that other Dimension.
Plus the Vorlons operate a bit like the Reapers from Mass Effect, they left Primitive Jumpgates all over the Galaxy to nudge other Races along their preferred Technological Path.
We see in the Shadows and other First One Races that there are many ways to Travel between the Stars, both via Hyperspace and other Methods.
@@rogueguru2509 всего лишь дыра в сюжете.
@@SashaCIXXVIII
It is more to do with a grand strategic aim.
The Vorlons and Shadows both were holding back a lot.
The Ships they were using were mostly older models with far more limited tech. As they viewed the younger races as primitive children.
The Shadows leaving Ships all over the place, was not just caches for Asymmetrical Warfare, they were left as gifts/tests for younger Races.
See how much they could learn and mimic or surpass, see if they noticed the traps in them etc.
Vorlons though did not like gifting tech in the same way. The White Stars were very carefully controlled release of Tech to a select subfaction of Minbari.
Vorlon Hyperspace Vortex Tech was what they wanted others to learn as a baseline, but they did not share the higher technologies of that same tech path.
Hyperspace is more easily transitioned the higher your tech level, but as the best at vortexes, the Vorlons could mo itor everyone in Hyperspace bar the Shadows who used Hyperspace Phasing instead of Vortexes.
Game is for ever
This conflict never made any sense to me, Why would you stop them fighting each other? Let them wear each other down then come in, that would have saved thousands of lives of the ships crew that died to first one weapons.
A few reasons probably. For one Coriana 6 would have been destroyed, which would mean the death of billions. And with the planet destroyed there's no guarentee the Vorlons would have stayed. Their goal would have been achieved. They might well have believed the Shadows were just there to protect their investment. (Now I do believe the Shadows no longer had a base there, as they probably wouldn't have believed Sheridan's ruse of the Alliance setting up a base there to lure the Shadows to Coriana 6 if the Shadows had a base there themselves that could tell them it was not true. )
A second reason would be that the Vorlons and the Shadows needed to be shown that the younger races had banded together and rejected both their view points. Having the younger races just stand by and watch the grown ups fight would not have made the point that needed to be made; that the younger races were fed up and didn't need them anymore.
A third reason could well be the fact that the Vorlons did not have their entire fleet there. The fleet at Centauri Prime was one fleet that could have come in later as well and do considerable damage should the First fleet have gotten into a stalemate with the Shadows. And it's likely the Shadows had other fleets out there as well.
That's how you fight an opponent that matters. The whole idea is that the shadows and vorlons are no longer in charge or needed.
You missed the key point, both ancients were destroying planets as they fought each other. You would not likely be alive to benefit from their mutual attrition.
@@annoyed707 Yes but at the battle of Corianas 6 they were killing each other, those were two very large fleets that they could have let fight it out and then mopped up.
@@deanooooooo6496 Then you'll have another war in a thousand years. This isn't a conflict that ends with fleets and battles, but with demonstrating independence from the older species and the wisdom to find their own path.
They said with his calculations you don't see what he is telling you all in the Galaxy
Sheridan calls out to the pro-Interstellar Alliance First Ones: Hey, I didn’t mean you guys have to get the hell out of our galaxy!!!
They didn’t want to stay anyway, they just wanted to give the Vorlons a good slap then watch the two sides argue like a married couple for entertainment.
They haven't defeated me yet on ship
And still Sheridan had to deal with President Clark after all that.
Who wants to help us kill 2 navies of gods with 5 other gods?
Is this off of a TV show?
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Minbari Nial canons are seriously scary.
Star Trek and Star Wars should've been notes on how to do a space battle. Cuz, when they do it, it's really dull.
How can a series from the 90's deliver such cool space battles while we get crap like The Acolyte from Star Wars (!)?
not bad. we still cant win. but its not bad
If you look closely you'll see the shadows taking every one out a vorlon dreadnought get one shoted buy a shadow beam
Bah - they wrecked a perfectly good planet killer for no reason...I want a refund immediately !!! :)
Are you able to increase the brightness control? The picture is very dark and hard to see. Thanks
Looks fine to me. Pretty sure the problem is on your side.
I think the biggest disappointment is when the Vorlons turned psychotic.
Can you guys hurry up We have sunken city abundance Start Aquanaut training and turn those Sunken towns into Tourism Astronaut=Aquanaut Arigato
The Vorlons need a ‘listening post’ to gather intelligence and recon other races?
Yeah. Although very advanced, the Shadows and Vorlons are not omniscient. They still need to gather intel and spy on others like everyone else.
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Don't shoot at them for they know how to see the Dead and what it's trying to create on. Y'all !,,(0)
I'm seeing " epic" overused. Kind of like " amazing" was, and if everything is amazing, then nothing is. Those adjectives should be superlatives, not for ordinary use.
Still on the side of the darkness(shadows)....war does propel economy, boost development
It's what I loved about the series. Both sides had similar long range goals. Neither was truly good or evil, though it was easy to see them that way given human perspectives.
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